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Guest Post: Violence In The Face Of Tyranny Is Often Necessary
Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,
It was the winter of 1939, only a few months earlier the Soviet Union and Hitler's Third Reich had signed a partially secret accord known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; essentially a non-aggression treaty which divided Europe down the middle between the fascists and the communists. Hitler would take the West, and Stalin would take the East. Stalin's war machine had already steamrolled into Latvia. Lithuania, and Estonia. The soviets used unprecedented social and political purges, rigged elections, and genocide, while the rest of the world was distracted by the Nazi blitzkrieg in Poland. In the midst of this mechanized power grab was the relatively tiny nation of Finland, which had been apportioned to the communists.
Apologists for Stalinist history (propagandists) have attempted to argue that the subsequent attack on Finland was merely about “border territories” which the communists claimed were stolen by the Finns when they seceded from Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. The assertion that the soviets were not seeking total dominance of the Finns is a common one. However, given the vicious criminal behavior of Russia in nearby pacified regions, and their posture towards Finland, it is safe to assume their intentions were similar. The Finns knew what they had to look forward to if they fell victim to the iron hand of Stalin, and the soviet propensity for subjugation was already legendary.
The Russian military was vastly superior to Finland's in every way a common tactician would deem important. They had far greater numbers, far better logistical capability, far better technology, etc, etc. Over 1 million troops, thousands of planes, thousands of tanks, versus Finland's 32 antiquated tanks, 114 planes which were virtually useless against more modern weapons, and 340,000 men, most of whom were reservists rallied from surrounding farmlands. Finland had little to no logistical support from the West until the conflict was almost over, though FDR would later pay lip service to the event, “condemning” soviet actions while brokering deals with them behind the scenes. Russian military leadership boasted that the Finns would run at the sound of harsh words, let alone gun fire. The invasion would be a cakewalk.
The battle that followed would later be known as the “Winter War”; an unmitigated embarrassment for the Soviets, and a perfect example of a small but courageous indigenous guerrilla army repelling a technologically advanced foe.
To Fight, Or Pretend To Fight?
Fast forward about seven decades or so, and you will discover multiple countries around the globe, including the U.S., on the verge of the same centralized and collectivized socialist occupation that the Finnish faced in 1939. The only difference is that while their invasion came from without, our invasion arose from within. The specific methods may have changed, but the underlying face of tyranny remains the same.
In America, the only existing organization of people with the slightest chance of disrupting and defeating the march towards totalitarianism is what we often refer to as the “Liberty Movement”; a large collection of activist and survival groups tied together by the inexorable principles of freedom, natural law, and constitutionalism. The size of this movement is difficult to gauge, but its social and political presence is now too large to be ignored. We are prevalent enough to present a threat, and prevalent enough to be attacked, and that is all that matters. That said, though we are beginning to understand the truly vital nature of our role in America's path, and find solidarity in the inherent values of liberty that support our core, when it comes to solutions to the dilemma of globalization and elitism, we are sharply divided.
While most activist movements suffer from a complete lack of solutions to the problems they claim to recognize, constitutional conservatives tend to have TOO MANY conceptual solutions to the ailments of the world. Many of these solutions rely upon unrealistic assumptions and methods that avoid certain inevitable outcomes. Such strategies center mostly on the concepts of “non-aggression” or pacifism idealized and romanticized by proponents of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and the anti-war movements of the 1960's and 1970's. The post-baby boomer generations in particular have grown up with an incessant bombardment of the “higher nature” of non-violence as a cure-all for every conceivable cultural ailment.
We have been taught since childhood that fighting solves nothing, but is this really true?
I can understand the allure of the philosophy. After all, physical confrontation is mentally and emotionally terrifying to anyone who is not used to experiencing it. The average “reasonable” person goes far out of their way on every occasion to avoid it. Most of the activists that I have met personally who deride the use of force against tyrannical government have never actually been in an outright confrontation of any kind in their lives, or if they have, it ended in a failure that scarred them. They have never trained for the eventuality. Many of them have never owned a firearm. The focus of their existence has been to hide from pain, rather than overcome their fears to achieve something greater.
There is nothing necessarily wrong with becoming an “intellectual warrior”, unless that person lives under the fantasy that this alone will be enough to defeat the kind of evil we face today.
Non-aggression methods rely on very specific circumstances in order to be effective. Most of all, they rely on a system of government that is forced to at least PRETEND as if it cares what the masses think of it. Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, for example, only witnessed noticeable success because the British government at that time was required to present a semblance of dignity and rule of law. But what happens if a particular tyranny reaches a point where the facade of benevolence disappears? What happens when the establishment turns to the use of the purge as a tool for consolidation? What happens when the mask comes completely off?
How many logical arguments or digital stashes of ethereal Bitcoins will it take to save one's life or one's freedom then?
Arguments For And Against Violent Action
The position against the use of “violence” (or self defense) to obstruct corrupt systems depends on three basic debate points:
1) Violence only feeds the system and makes it stronger.
2) We need a “majority” movement in order to be successful.
3) The system is too technologically powerful – to fight it through force of arms is “futile”, and our chances are slim to none.
First, violence does indeed feed the system, if it is driven by mindless retribution rather than strategic self defense. This is why despotic governments often resort to false flag events; the engineering of terrorist actions blamed on scapegoats creates fear within the unaware portions of the population, which generates public support for further erosion of freedoms. However, there is such a thing as diminishing returns when it comes to the “reach, teach, and inspire” method.
The escalation of totalitarianism will eventually overtake the speed at which the movement can awaken the masses, if it has not done so already. There will come a time, probably sooner rather than later, when outreach will no longer be effective, and self defense will have to take precedence, even if that means subsections of the public will be shocked and disturbed by it. The sad fact is, the faster we wake people up, the faster the establishment will degrade social stability and destroy constitutional liberties. A physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable. Worrying about staying in the good graces of the general populace or getting honest representatives elected is, at a certain point, meaningless. I find it rather foolish to presume that Americans over the next decade or two or three have the time needed to somehow inoculate the system from within. In fact, I'm starting to doubt that strategy has any merit whatsoever.
Second, the idea that a movement needs a “majority” of public backing to shift the path of a society is an old wives tale. Ultimately, most people throughout history are nothing more than spectators in life, watching from the sidelines while smaller, ideologically dedicated groups battle for superiority. Global developments are decided by true believers; never by ineffectual gawkers. Some of these groups are honorable, and some of them are not so honorable. Almost all of them have been in the minority, yet they wield the power to change the destiny of the whole of the nation because most people do not participate in their own futures. They merely place their heads between their legs and wait for the storm to pass.
All revolutions begin in the minds and hearts of so-called “outsiders”. To expect any different is to deny the past, and to assume that a majority is needed to achieve change is to deny reality.
Third, I'm not sure why non-aggression champions see the argument of statistical chance as relevant. When all is said and done, the “odds” of success in any fight against oligarchy DO NOT MATTER. Either you fight, or you are enslaved. The question of victory is an afterthought.
Technological advantage, superior numbers, advanced training, all of these things pale in comparison to force of will, as the Finnish proved during the Winter War. Some battles during that conflict consisted of less than a hundred Finns versus tens-of-thousands of soviets. Yet, at the end of the war, the Russians lost 3500 tanks, 500 aircraft, and had sustained over 125,000 dead (official numbers). The Finns lost 25,000 men. For every dead Finn, the soviets lost at least five. This is the cold hard reality behind guerrilla and attrition warfare, and such tactics are not to be taken lightly.
Do we go to the Finnish and tell them that standing against a larger, more well armed foe is “futile”? Do we tell them that their knives and bolt action rifles are no match for tanks and fighter planes? And by extension, do we go to East Asia today and tell the Taliban that their 30 year old AK-47's are no match for predator drones and cruise missiles? Obviously, victory in war is not as simple as having the biggest gun and only the uneducated believe otherwise.
The Virtues Of Violence
The word “violence” comes with numerous negative connotations. I believe this is due to the fact that in most cases violence is used by the worst of men to get what they want from the weak. Meeting violence with violence, though, is often the only way to stop such abuses from continuing.
At Alt-Market, we tend to discuss measures of non-participation (not non-aggression) because all resistance requires self-sustainability. Americans cannot fight the criminal establishment if they rely on the criminal establishment. Independence is more about providing one's own necessities than it is about pulling a trigger. But, we have no illusions about what it will take to keep the independence that we build. This is where many conceptual solutions are severely lacking.
If the system refuses to let you walk away, what do you do? If the tyrants would rather make the public suffer than admit that your social or economic methodology is better for all, how do you remove them? When faced with a cabal of psychopaths with deluded aspirations of godhood, what amount of reason will convince them to step down from their thrones?
I'm sorry to say, but these questions are only answered with violence.
The Liberty Movement doesn't need to agree on the “usefulness” of physical action because it is coming regardless. The only things left to discern are when and how. Make no mistake, one day each and every one of us will be faced with a choice – to fight, or to throw our hands in the air and pray they don't shoot us anyway. I certainly can't speak for the rest of the movement, but in my opinion only those who truly believe in liberty will stand with rifle in hand when that time comes. A freedom fighter is measured by how much of himself he is willing to sacrifice, and how much of his humanity he holds onto in the process. Fear, death, discomfort; none of this matters. There is no conundrum. There is no uncertainty. There are only the chains of self-defeat, or the determination of the gun. The sooner we all embrace this simple fact, the sooner we can move on and deal with the dark problem before us.
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Nope...you still don't have it straight.
Keep tryin'
Feel free to quit when your head starts to hurt.
I'm very pleased that I learned where the Molotov cocktail came from.
Tomorrow, the origin of the Harvey Wallbanger.
"While the State exists, there can be no freedom. When there is freedom there will be no State." - Vladimir Lenin
I also love the armchair bravado of old men at their keyboards with revolutionary fantasies. This isn't a movie, or a novel. It's not Star Wars: A New Hope. It's real life.
Yeah, but you still get, what, one reboot when the boss shoots you in the head, right?
The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying , quit playing
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Retribution: Is there really any place for these sociopaths and criminals in a restored civil and Constitutional society?!
Restoration: Restore the Constitutional republic.
"The Rubicon has been crossed and is in flood."
Notwithstanding all the differences in the aims and tasks of the Russian revolution, compared with the French revolution of 1871, the Russian proletariat had to resort to the same method of struggle as that first used by the Paris Commune — civil war. Mindful of the lessons of the Commune, it knew that the proletariat should not ignore peaceful methods of struggle — they serve its ordinary, day-to-day interests, they are necessary in periods of preparation for revolution — but it must never forget that in certain conditions the class struggle assumes the form of armed conflict and civil war; there are times when the interests of the proletariat call for ruthless extermination of its enemies in open armed clashes.
When did the Hedge become overtaken by so many neutered metro-sexuals?
You always struck me as a tolerant guy. I can already see a foam dripping from your mouth at the very thought of them metro-sexuals.
Who else is on the tolerace list?
Tolerance is a term for those who believe they are superior than others because they " tolerate" the behavior of others. I consider these type of people shallow narcissistic assholes who are full of themselves. As for me I don't care what the behavior of other people are as long as it doesn't harm anybody else. You want to get high? More power to you. Are you a gay couple and want to get married? What business is that of the state ? Are you a Muslim? Christian ? Buddhist ? I'm cool with all that. Where I take issue is if you are a statist. If you want to control my life then I'm willing to bloody your nose. If you have an issue with that, I'm not the least bit sorry.
Your aren't very smart are you?
What's the difference between:
Tolerance is a term for those who believe they are superior than others because they " tolerate" the behavior of others. I consider these type of people shallow narcissistic assholes who are full of themselves.
and
As for me I don't care what the behavior of other people are as long as it doesn't harm anybody else.
Nothing, except that you are so full of yourself that you will use any twist of words to justify to yourself how different and better than others you are.
You dumbfuck. You couldn't tell the arsehole from your enemy.
You are putting words in other people mouths, words they have never uttered.
And oh, those metro-sexuals, yes, those are really dangerous. From what fucking MSM did you pick that stupid term you stupid dumbufuck?
And that is even supposed to mean something or refer to somebody?
You dumbfuck! That's all I have to say to you.
"You dumbfuck! That's all I have to say to you."
I completely understand. That's all your puny mind could come up with. It's a okay not everybody can have a vocabulary large enough to come up with another word besides "dumbfuck".
How then about the bigot, pretender, hypocrite?
BTW, you can all lookup the meaning if these words in the dictionary, instead of redefining the words to suit you needs.
Dumbfuck!
Yawn... You bore me. I suggests you reference a thesaurus to expand your limited vocabulary. If you would like I could give you a link, but I'm afraid that may confuse you.
You seem to be butthurt.
Careful...
These passive agressive types,as soon as you turn your back on them, will drip their Almondino Latte' on your shirttail.
Metrosexual guerilla warfare.
Metrosexual guerilla warfare.
Be careful.....that could cause serious nail damage.
Dup
Dr. Great post. My only hope is that ; What ever happens after this I hope it has your stated ethos as it's basis.
I fear it will be replace with some group intolerant of "those people"
The animosity is often directed toward the American proclivity toward, and comfort with, firearms as a tool of liberty and independence.
Working theory: Vastly ignorant but smug international punks deeply jealous of our 2nd Amendment rights.
About the same time that Stormfront moved in, Doc.
I think we're witnessing the opposing viewpoints of at least 2 .gov workers; and,
They probably sit in cubicles across from each other.
It's funny reading an article on Gorilla war and resistance fighting on a Financial web Site . But some How Fitting.. I would Urge those interested in Fighting, to forgo the Assault rifles, and think a bit more intelligently, on what Financial Weapons we have at our Disposal. Think. The Video Proved that the Finns won By Thinking, Camouflage, Rapid Movement Stealth and the Willingness to slit a few throats ( figuratively in this case )
Isn't that what buying Gold is all about?
Isn't that what opting out of the Stock Market is all about?
Isn't that what opting out of the US Treasury Market is all about?
Isn't that what opting out of US Dollar assets is all about?
Isn't that what refusing to buy from Multinational Corporations is all about?
We have covered these topics in depth at Zerohedge in our many, many "Starve the Beast" rants.
But the Beast still grows and encroaches upon Civil Liberties.
Obamacare.
The NSA Spying
The TSA abuses.
The Wars without end.
Ad infinitum....
To what affect?
Yes we can personally do things that will "Starve the Beast". It is somewhat affective.
How much more are you willing to tolerate...from the growing problem? Do you need to be in a FEMA Camp before enough is enough?
Personally I fantasize that I will want to bail out and watch it from a Foreign Country far away if I could. But there I'd stick out like a Sore Thumb as the Meltdown here will inevitably cause Meltdowns in far distant Nations.
Since the USD is the Reserve Currency it forms a substantial amount of the Foreign Bank Reserves. When it melts down then the Foreign Banks holding the US Dollar as Reserves find themselves INSOLVENT. The locals will not be too happy with Americans at that point and may just kill you in revenge.
So that is not a realistic option.
So you are stuck here. And as I have posted before THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.
So where does that lead? It does not take a Crystal Ball to see this coming. I reserve all rights for self defense.
The Government needs to reverse course. They have encroached way too far. I am on a Financial Blog??? The wealthy are writing about Violent Revolution?
When the wealthy are doing this then we have a problem.
Don't you think that it is time that we wake up?
Mao Zedong had a brilliant revolutionary strategist whatever thoughts might be of his politics.
He wrote: On guerrilla Warfare - http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/1937/guerrilla-warfare/
I think discussion of his 3-phase asymmetrical revolution is relevant in any discussion of modern revolutionary grand strategies.
http://parallelnarratives.com/the-three-stages-of-maos-revolutionary-war...
http://am4wuhz3zifexz5u.onion/Library/English/War/US%20Army%20-%20Specia...
and
http://am4wuhz3zifexz5u.onion/Library/English/terrorists-handbook.pdf
For practical and strategic marterial
(need to use tor software to access)
http://am4wuhz3zifexz5u.onion/Library/English/Firearms/Firearms%20and%20...
understanding ballistics and ballistic forensics
here
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/attp/index.html
and here
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/usmc/to/index.html
for ARMY and UMSC Field Manuals
For homeland security:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/systems/index.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/index.html
HS docs are watered down.
The Best results with violence that we, freedom loving anarchist has got so far was on this planet durring last thousands years, insurection army of ukraine or legendary Black army led by Nestor Makhno, that on one hand was able to set free a large territory for several years, yet was totaly wiped out by Stalin, followed with his revenge to poor ukrainian shortly after, as he killed several milions of them when he declined them food.....
the way for freedom is non-violence, at least not killing people
"the way for freedom is non-violence, at least not killing people"
I believe that all information should be considered and the past examined. That being said,
We are entering a new age of conflict. The asymmetrical revolutions of the 20th century give way to a new age of 21st century insurrection. It will be interesting how theaters develop over the next several years. I have no doubt that the internet create interesting networks.
War is hell and i could never recommend violence except for a when all else fails.
Static Defense is dead. Radical groups that want significant change and staying power ultimately need to give up on conventional power structures. Think fluid organizing strategies and dynamic cell structures.
.."What the common man longs for in this world, before and above all his other longings, is the simplest and most ignominious sort of peace: the peace of a trusty in a well-managed penitentiary. He is willing to sacrifice everything else to it. He puts it above his dignity and he puts it above his pride. Above all, he puts it above his liberty.
The fact, perhaps, explains his veneration for policemen, in all the forms they take–his belief that there is a mysterious sanctity in law, however absurd it may be in fact.
A policeman is a charlatan who offers, in return for obedience, to protect him (a) from his superiors,(b) from his equals, and (c) from himself".. HL Mencken
It's always been obvious, just have to be willing to look.
Back in the interweb's Cretaceous period this would be an interesting and harmless thread worthy of stimulating debate. In the age of The AllSeeingEye of Sauron I would almost suspect Brandon Smith is some Feebie stoolie stoking the anti gubment sentiments of the gullible and fucktarded. Go ahead and indulge your Red Dawn wet dreams at your own expense. Let me know how that Club Fed deal works out for ya.
Hey Brandon, how much are the Feebs paying you per head?
So are you a statist, or a coward? Your post could be interpreted as either, or maybe both...
The Heros of the American Revolution failed.
The Heros of the French Revolution failed.
You Heros of This Revolution will fail2.
The Psychopaths will always wrest power away from The People.
Only if you're illiterate or a moron. Or maybe both...
FUCK THE NSA.
If the NSA were really capable of doing something, anything, then why haven't they CONVICTED THE TEN PEDOPHILES who raped a 15 Year Old Iraqi Girl? That is a US SOLDIER ADMITTING THAT...on tape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKb5NXWi_B4
They would rather have these CHILD RAPISTS free on American Streets walking around and...TARGETING YOUR DAUGHTER.
The video has been ONLINE for over FIVE YEARS.
And you think that they will stop us from writing?
Are you out of your fucking mind?
Or are you one who works for the NSA?
FUCK THE NSA CHILD MOLESTER BASTARDS.
Anyone who finds their lineage stretching back before 1870 and earlier, I will welcome you as my fellow Comrades. All others finding your roots 1871 and up-to-present, need not apply. No disrespect, but in my opinion -- It's the bloodline that we have that will drive out all the evil bastards along with their wicked banker ways..
If SHTF -- All 1st and 2nd generation Americans, best get out the-way...
It's people like you and attitudes like that that will ensure any revolution ends up with a revolutionary council worse than what it aims to replace.
My great grandpappy seven times removed got here in the early 1700s. From Africa. And I'm proud that his bloodline is going to help drive out the evil bastards and make America a God-fearing white nation again.
Again, your tyranny and genocide is better than federal tyranny and genocide how, exactly?
It seems to me that Brandon Smith's articles get better in proportion to the more objective social facts getting worse.
The sentence in his article that I most agreed with was this:
"A physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable."
However, my view continues to be that that "physical fight" will inevitably become psychotically insane, which results in everyone losing. IF I could figure out any sane way to literally "fight the system," then I would be doing that. However, I find it quite impossible to imagine any sane ways to fight after there is an abundance of weapons of mass destruction. Talking about Finland resisting the USSR, or any other example from the past, is nostalgic nonsense. While I totally agree that "a physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable," I am not aware of any sane ways for anyone to win that fight after the development of weapons of mass destruction. That is why I devote my time to intellectual revolutions in the philosophy of science, which would apply to politics, and enable a radically different understanding of militarism, and its murder systems, so that the primarily purposes of death controls could be better achieved.
IT IS NOT WHO THE RULING CLASSES ARE THAT MATTERS, RATHER WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT THEY DO. That is especially true since, as several previous comments, as well as this article itself, pointed out, the more probable real outcomes, IF anyone survives through these psychotic processes, are that, THEN, there will be some new ruling classes. Therefore, my theoretical interests are about what should those new ruling classes do to survive and emerge. What kind of translithic style of civilization could possibly survive through the dilemmas developed when the weapons become trillions of times more powerful than ever before in human history?
Anyway, my views tend to be in favour of retooling the fascist plutocracy, to do a better job of what it is already doing, by it making a qualitatively different use of information, enabling higher consciousness about how it operates the combined money/murder systems, which back up its debt controls with death controls. Those views can be made consistent with the rest of the scientific understanding of the natural world, although, of course, they radically transform the ways that is fundamentally being understood by itself. In a more and more technologically based society, real, radical, revolutions should come more from revolutions in the philosophy of science, as those apply to politics, rather than still be day dreams about going backwards to the “Liberty Movement” as a large collection of activist and survival groups tied together by the inexorable principles of freedom, natural law, and constitutionalism.
I regard Brandon Smith's "Liberty Movement" as still mostly mainstream morons, who want to believe in the same old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals. However, as they get PUSHED by the established runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, and its fascist police state, BECAUSE "a physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable," THEN, they are tending to become slightly more radicalized, as illustrated by the series of Brandon Smith articles. However, I still regard their so-called "Liberty Movement" as quite retrogressive, inasmuch as they still promote various ideals that we should go backwards, to somehow cope with the ways that we have actually gone forwards toward triumphant organized criminals, at first covertly, and now more and more overtly, taking over effective control of the powers of governments, and indeed, effectively privatizing those powers, through legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, which benefits the current, criminal, ruling classes.
In my view, the "Liberty Movement's" alleged understanding of "natural law" appears so pathetically old-fashioned that all the rest of their beliefs in "freedom" and "constitutionalism" are goofy. I continue to find the so-called "Liberty Movement" preposterous. So far, nobody in that movement has ever satisfactorily explained to me how human beings can make energy out of nothing, or send energy to nothing, and therefore, none of those proponents of "Liberty" have ever provided anything remotely close to a coherent theory of "freedom" that is consistent with the most basic laws of nature.
I promote the ideas that the only genuine better solutions are better death controls, which require that we go through profound changes in the fundamental ways that we perceive those things, so that we could then accomplish their necessary purposes in superior ways. I promote the ideas that the only genuinely better resolutions of the chronic political problems are that we apply the same ways of thinking that made weapons of mass destruction possible, in order to understand the deeper nature of the chronic political problems, so that we can accomplish the same goals in more enlightened ways.
Real, radical, revolution would become about changing the death controls, that back up the debt controls. Real, radical, revolution would require new combined money/murder systems, which would be selected by themselves MAYBE surviving through what happens AFTER "a physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable." AFTER the Neolithic style of civilization operating a social pyramid system develops weapons of mass destruction that are trillions of times more powerful than ever before in human history, then "fighting" becomes completely transformed, and the only way to MAYBE survive is through developing some kind of Translithic Civilization.
"I know not with what weapons WWIII will be fought, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones." Einstein
Inevitably.
Conventional war has been augmented by asymmetrical tactics. We are about to see the emergence of new stratagems & tactics even more abstracted.
MAYBE, eventually, but certainly not at once. Many people, including the government have vast supplies accumulated, to make history become quite nonlinear ... Maybe, eventually, we will ALL be reduced back to sticks and stones, but not for a long time, while the extreme inequalities will actually manifest even more extremely. The "inevitably" part may turn out to be eventually correct, but nevertheless, for quite a long time the conflicts could persist between those who have stockpiled supplies.
While the old order continues to press for centralization - and its reinforced culturally through religion, education and media - technology presses towards decentralization.
Solar power is emerging in Germany as not just a competitor against the old monopolies of oil and gas, it is emerging as the victor. Solar power is becoming more efficient, and is vastly more distributed.
The internet is challenging the cultural monopolies on education, religion and information. Centrally controlled news, history and science is being eaten away day by day by the distributed systems of the internet.
3D printers are in their infancy, but I believe within decades they will be ubiquitous. So manufacturing power will become increasingly distributed, eating away at coporate power.
Now we have crypto currencies, distributed financial power eating away at the monopolies of debt, inflation and fiat currency.
Computer power and the internet can be combined to provide systems of distributed law, and when that edifice is being eaten away truly revolutionary things will begin to happen.
At some point either distributed systems simply win, or the entrenched powers counter attack against the threat - and the threat is technology itself.
Things don't just flash to the level of open conflicts. There are always intervening steps, it builds up over months, in almost all cases. I see people scoffing at protest, but that's how it always starts, and grows. OWS was an organizational joke, it was certain to collapse, it required hierarchy and discipline, to act effectively on such a scale, but instead they adopted decentralizm, no leaders, no structure and no formal agenda. As soon as I saw that I knew it was going to be smashed.
And as we saw at the end of the cold war it does not have to occur with intestines spilt everywhere, it can be done with crippling civil strikes and massed plubic display and expressed their will for the old system to be torn down and constitutionally expunged. That did work and it did happen.
I don't deny that violence will occur, of course it will, but I don't accept it's the best or most effective option. Even during WWII each combatant had far more lethal weapons available to them than they were prepared to actually use. They didn't use them because those were not the smartest or best options available - they were the last options.
Civilians should consider guns fall into the same category. A weapon for when almost all else fails, and which if used will have permanent implications that will most probably get you shot and killed, and every one near you. Given that becoming dead is not the AIM, then guns should not be the tactic.
Deciding in advance that violence and gun-play is the preferred tactic, means you have already escalated.
The real art of war is to win without escalating.
The Warsaw Pact and Soviet 'little-people' did it the right way, so why can't you?
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You mean to say "least morality" isn't where you pull out a hundred guns and kill a bunch of people, start a major civil war, and 20 million people get killed to sate your reckless immoral action?
So by that measure I guess the entire populous of the former Soviet and Warsaw Pact countries were all profoundly immoral for not going berserk and starting WWIII in 1989? Instead those damn pussies chose civilised processes and highly effective peaceful protest instead. What arseholes huh?
Look, don't bother quoting such absurd brainless shit like that to me as if your blood-lust is validated due to following some natural-energy principle. What a load of crap. If you think that makes sense to you, or that it would to me, you're problems are not going to be solved by anything you do.
The concept of "least morality" is much less than what you state above.
The 1989 revolution went down peacefully because the Oligarchs of that region allowed it to happen peacefully. Remember protests in 1989 in China were neither as peaceful nor as successful. The Oligarchs in China were not yet ready for a major change, so they prevented it for a while longer. The "little people" you speak of had "little" to do with it. One guy stood down a tank, so what? Made for a good picture, but accomplished nothing else.
The Easties I have spoken with are not anywhere near satisfied with their current situation, so therefore, I cannot begin to comprehend what you think they accomplished in 1989.
I do fully agree with your statement that no solution can come from anything I do.
I believe that history shows that only revolutions which have a significant group of the professional military join them have a chance of becoming successful, otherwise, they are rebellions that are crushed.
As pointed out, the difference in China versus the USSR was that in China military forces were brought in that would agree to mass murder the protesters, while in the USSR that did not happen to that degree.
Similarly, a second American revolution depends more upon what the professionals in black decide to do, rather than what the amateurs in black decide to do. However, America has become quite complicated by the degree to which the powers of governments have been privatized, in both the monetary and military realms. Private banks have about 99% privatized the public "money" supply in the USA. Judging the degree to which the military and mercenaries have been privatized is much more difficult to do, since so much of that is black budgets, and maybe in super black budgets. For instance, just how "real" are the alleged hundreds of underground bases, inter-connected with underground tunnels ??? Or how "real" is the alleged secret space program (not to mention the biggest unknown, which is how "real" is the alleged contact with extraterrestrials, within the context of that possible secret space program) ???
There are a lot of wild cards in this game! America already has LOTS of privatized, and/or decentralized, death control potential. There appears to already be broken chains of command, due to the de facto privatization of the military/industrial corporations ...
Anyway, TPTB r TBTF, thanks for quoting some of my basic observations regarding applying energy system ideas to human civilizations in your previous comment! The grand paradox of taking the laws of nature seriously, such as believing that the conservation of energy operates rigorously, on all levels, of through all dimensions (some of which we are certainly still ignorant about) is that drives conclusions which converge back to those of ancient mysticism, from which they originated.
Human beings are attempting to model their world, and themselves within their model of the world. However, that is never possible to do perfectly! Therefore, the future may be "perfect" in the sense that energy will be conserved, BUT, we can never know that perfection perfectly, as long as we are operating through models of the world, which are not the world itself. (While models of the world that approach being universal then are no longer models, or no longer able to be experienced in time and space.)
THERE IS NO FREEDOM WITHOUT A FORCE. However, the paradox of "freedom" is that we begin by subtraction of parts from the whole, which is already a relative illusion. There is no magical point at which violence stops, and non-violence begins, nor vice versa. There is always the flow of energy, manifesting relative forces, as we perceive those to be ... One conception of "least morality" is that systems under increasing pressure spring more leaks, and indeed, every leak possible!
In that context, I find the old-fashioned "Liberty Movement" notions do not embrace the profound paradoxes which things like the special theory of relativity and quantum mechanics prove are necessary to embrace. The only true "freedom" is that of the universe as a whole. As soon as we relatively subtract some being from the whole, then they are no longer "free" across that boundary which defines them. Thus, the paradox of "freedom" revolves around transcending our mistaken illusions of separateness.
So the upshot of your energy-systems flow/process is that resistance is futile?
If you can't beat them than join them?
And don't protest because you'll change nothing, like, you know, eliminate the Soviet Union 'n stuff?
aye, compelling
No, Element, the upshot is not "resistance is futile." However, the perspective IS that "we are them" already. Protesting more effectively is attempting to construct systematic resistance, which can change the path of least resistance. That is, effective resistance is engineered within the energy-systems flow/process.
I repeat the basic view that taking the principle of the conservation of energy seriously means that the top carnivores in the human ecology systems ARE parts of that overall system, the same as their prey is a part. Understanding human civilization as a whole is a more ideal way to change that system. Primarily that means understanding how the debt controls were backed up by the death controls. Therefore, better resistance becomes better death controls.
Most of the blah, blah, bullshit of the "Liberty Movement" likes to pretend that their resistance will miraculously become something different. However, it is all the same energy, flowing through similar systems. We should be approaching these political problems using unitary mechanisms, which are intellectually consistent with other sciences, rather than continuing to try to resolve those problems using the same old-fashioned false fundamental dichotomies, and related impossible ideals, which always actually backfire in the real world and cause the opposite to happen.
The ONLY realistically possible good changes would require better death controls, to become the resistances that channel the evolutionary ecology to develop. The ONLY realistically possible ways to do that are to operate within the facts about how the current systems actually operate. The deeper dilemmas continue to be that progress in science have provided technologies which are trillions of times more powerful, to pump up the social pyramid systems which are based upon evil deliberate ignorance.
The ways that we think about everything are about as backwards as possible. The best things we can do are operate better death controls. That is especially imperative because the ruling classes are now operating their kinds of death controls through the maximum possible deceits, as opposed by those who assert that there should not be any death controls at all, which are matching bookends of bullshit. Therefore, we have a monetary system based upon the maximum frauds, while those who propose going back to "honest" money or "sound" money are mostly reactionary goofballs.
The energy-systems flow/process orientation provides some philosophical consolations that the Whole systemless-System is already perfect, although it is impossible for any finite understanding of That to be perfect. However, that approach does allow more more asymptotic approach towards better understandings of what is actually happening, than the false fundamental dichotomies kind of approaches.
I used to think that the folks who would always say; 'Violence isnt the answer.' simply either lacked the intellectual capacity (to see this is a fallacy in the case of self defense), or had been so thoroughly conditioned as to actually believe what they were saying. I think this article (and the quote below from HL Mencken) put the truth in the light. It is simply fear that causes men to deny not only themselves, but others around them from raising arms in self defense.
It seemed an almost absurd paradox. On the one hand they will say, if someone enters your house with the intention of throwing you out of the house, and raping your wife, and abusing your children - then it is your RESPONSIBILITY to raise arms to defend yourself, family and property. However when this is accomplished by a stealth, by a large group of men - they hold you a fool to resist, and in fact they will assist those men in throwing you out.
It seemed paradoxical, it is now clear - those who would hold you a coward and worthless if you did not resist a single man, will hold you a dangerous fool if you resist a great force intent on the same thing. The reason is simple, because they believe that if YOU resist, then retribution may be directed against them - and they are unwilling to fight.
If they had stood with you in the first instance, then there would never enter a dilemma.
Unfortunately all of this true.
The only people who crave power are as a necessity psychopathic and evil in the extreme.
But they always have a weakness to be exploited.
And that is its bureaucracy.
To win especially when your enemy, as in the case today as opposed to WW II when it was invasions, is your own murderous government imposing totalitarianism, is that the bureaucracy is living next door.
Get the names and addresses of every single bureaucrat anywhere from every village Town and City, build a data base and circulate it everwhere you can, devote resources to updating it.
When the time comes it is, as said so eloquently above, slavery totalitarianism or death.
You have to choose.
When the time comes strong men with strong stomachs need to go out and hunt those bureaucrats down, And you kill them,
Not in a nice way, you make a spectacle, You do as Vlad the Impaler did, you butcher them and their wives and kids and gut them and hang the bodies from lamp posts.
You have to make that statement that brings absolute terror to every single civil servant in the country.
The message is
You go to work or "collaborate" and you are dead.
It is not nice, its inhumane, its abject savagery, and it is sickening and evil.
But it is war, and in war there is only one acceptable outome.
You win.
No matter what, so the sooner it is done the better, No governmet can function and continue without its armies of civil servants.
Totalitarian plans will collapse in days and the war will be over.
Coordinated planning all across the UK the US , Europe and even Japan, all places whereever totalitarianism is coming, to effect a terror unleashed on even the most minor civil servants, so bloodthirsty and so shocking, will stop totalitarian plans in its tracks.
They are the target, they have to be sacrificed
The government will move slowly and insidiously, but they breach a point somewhere, and that is the moment to strike,
Hundreds of civil servants dead.
So that even the government is afraid to move further so shocking is the reaction.
What the government decides to do after that in the strength of its retaliation will determine whether it escalates into all out war for survival or not.
The aim is to scare even the most blood thirsty government.
Western governments do not have strong stomachs, they are weak and hide behind skirts, they are not like a Putin , or a Saudi or a Black African.
The purge typical after most violent changes in government will most likely do the lions share of the eliminating of the Civil Service work force.
Winning over the armed ones early on can be advantageous though, ie; Yeltsin and the Parliament Building.
Knowing it doesn't take too long for even the most well disciplined armed force to figure out when it has been hoodwinked by deceitful politicians.
Just hack your way into the civil service computers of your least favorite bureaucracy and order them to DO each other.
Might not collect 'em all, but it would be fun to watch the confusion and resulting mayhem.
Get into the local auditor's computers and put a tax lien on the entire county staff. Then have the sheriff throw them all out on the streets en masse. Wacky good times for everybody.
Far fetched? Maybe. But not half as much as some of the cock-eyed shit I've seen posted above.
i say start with the officers and work your way down if need be.
Absolutely go Vlad! Turnabout is fair play, and after the cyanide and flames of Waco, extreme public displays are what's in store if the war kicks. And don't doubt that the military branches have their own Militias.
"...and their wives and kids..."
No.You.Don't.
Forget the moral implications...where the rubber hits the road you will lose more than you gain by doing this. And, if you come back from an outing of this sort, and you tell me you just did this, i will take you out myself, instantly and without hesitation.
Verbot.exe...load mem...load sarc...load wit...module missing press any key to continue. .
You cant get anyone to "revolt".. how quaint to think millions of folks will get out of warm houses to press some political point.
They dont even use what is given by right of American birth so the idea there is a large organizing host willing to "water the tree of liberty" is swampgas.
Turn off the internet, television, or electric power and you have a slim chance a group would arise before the mass die off began.
Look at your own family and see how many would cut through hardened soldiers of any army in the world..
How does that revolt look now? Pretty weak I say and then there were the "green" bullets. ..but I say nobody in average Americana can get angry enough to fire a gun to hurt people anymore.
Americans are just like everybody else. They stay meekly at home until there is no other choice but to come screaming out and kill something.
Until there's a lot less food floating around out there, the sound of munching corn chips will drown out the sound of gunfire.
"Collectivism is a doctrine of war, intolerance, and persecution. If any of the collectivist creeds should succeed in its endeavors, all people but the great dictator would be deprived of their essential human quality. They would become mere soulless pawns in the hands of a monster."
"The collectivists("progressives" and liberals) idolize only the one true church, only the great nation . . . only the true state; everything else they condemn. For that reason all collectivists doctrines are harbingers of irreconcilable hatred and war to the death."
Leftards will inevitably bring the revolution especially as their policies deepen the spiritual and economic bankruptcy of the nation. Their pretentious mask will invariably give way to the seething hatred underneath, Mises saw it in his day. Great article Brandon.
Many here seem to be fighting the last war, or even the last revolution.
First, I have to say, violence is for when you're in the same situation as the Finns. Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman wasn't bullshitting when he said; "War is hell"
But, supposing there is another "revolution", the statues placed in public places when it's all been over for a generation won't be of men with rifles. They would more likely be a man or woman with a keyboard (not very romantic, I'll admit), a mechanical or electrical tech with wire cutters, a truck driver who poisoned the approriate load of fuel. Basically, the working class folks who got it done from the inside. Through heroic defiance or purposeful mass ineptitude on the job, they would be the militia men of the next revolution. They would cause "the machine" to grind to a halt.
(Notice I said "purposeful" mass ineptitude. Presently, it seems to be naturally occuring in some areas)
Back to killin' snakes
somebody's going Galt.
Nope, I haven't invented that whizzbang magic motor yet. Damn, that was a long winded book.
Ah...le sabotage??? The "sabot" is the boot that one throws into the gears of the machinery.
It is funny that there are no statues of Frenchmen throwing Boots into gears of machinery. There will be no statues of Keyboard Holders.
Of course le sabotage was also done during the Nazi Occupation of France during 1940-1944.It has been done before.
It had some limited affect but the all out invasion of Normandy by Allied Forces were necessary to remove the Nazi Army from the Hedgerows and fertile fields of France. (It also helped that a Russian Juggernaut was driving west into Poland and East Germany while this was happening because D-Day would have FAILED if this had not been the case.)
Vive le Resistance. Vive le France.
All avenues of redress must be exhausted in the courts first, then?.......
This was filed in Fla. a few days ago. The illegal USURPER, and domestic enemy of the US, Hussein Obama, must be removed in order for We the People to re-establish the Republic.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/195504246/FINAL-Voeltz-Reply-1
Does anybody know what a honeypot is?
Do you know how many trackers zerohedge has embedded? If you like to have a look or even want to block those trackers, give https://www.ghostery.com a try.
I wonder what this kind of article is aiming at, but may be I am just being paranoid.
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WE ARE BEING ASKED TO PAINT A BULLS EYE ON OUR BACKS!
The bullseye is already on your back, my friend...Brandon is asking you to TURN AROUND and FACE your agressors.
The US government does not fear the moron at a computer type big words.
The US government fears the lone wolf, a guy that doesn't ever go near a computer, or carry a phone, a guy that is invisible to the system that can take out anything he wishes any time and dissapear.
A guy always uses non-traceable materials, ...
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This is war from the gubmints point of view, and in war your choice is slave, or kill. The USA is already a nation of slaves, so killing is now the only option.
So from the gubmint point of view your all going to die.
Those who don't want to die, should simply leave while they still can, those that stay to fight will die, ... no doubt.
Sadly, there is no achilles heel in the system, no weak point, no voting, the system is so widely dispersed and so hell determined toward mass genocide of +100 Million people, that nothing and nobody can change the future of america.
They were afeared when tens of thousands promised a violent rebellion Nationwide if any Freeman died - none did.
The more, the merrier - light up their whole f'n screen.
Fear not.
"The surest way to prevent war is not to fear it." John Randolph.
Change will never come, has never come, from 'changing' the ouside structure regarless of the means.
In addition there are no 'ends' only 'means'. To propose otherwise is to avoid physical reality/physics.
The evey expanding notion of self: family, clan, nation, group, ideology etc is learned/programmed.
We alre always ONLY ONE GENERATION AWAY FROM all those things the OP wishes for.
Will we care enough about our species and our planet to put ourselves aside and educate, love, and cherish the WHOLE next generation.
So far we have not.
But this is not a necessary state/condition.
It is easier to kill or loose ones life in a 'cause' howevery lofty it seems than to truly give up ones selfish life and SERVE the education of the youth and yet to be born.
Perhaps as little as ten percent of the next generaion of humans, perhaps even four percent...would be enough to create a critical difference.
Who among you will forgoe the ENTIRETY of your comfort, wealth, pleasure, freedom, choice, for the children yet to be born, or the youth of today?
Vioence is ALWAYS IN EVERY CASE an expansion of self: a circular effort. To end selfishness the self must end..not EXPAND ITSELF in reaction.
You sir, We sir, are the problem and we are the solution.
We either help to expand the idea, morality, and society based on all the forms of self: the selfish individual, the family, the clan, the nation, the religion etc or we help it to end.
Few have the courage to end the self, and support ending all forms of self.
The very thing you are trying to preserve is the enemy of love, of humanity, of personhood, of natural living, nature itself: ALL FORMS OF SELF.
WHO is the one who is violent, WHAT IS HE/SHE?
One self that fears ending and wishes to create control, domination.
2 Million years of violence has not worked.
We are at the end fo the experiment.
Listen to me Sir:
It is easier to jump in front of a bus and feel one is a hero for saving a childs life...than it is to SACRIFICE ONES WHOLE LIVING LIFE; 70 years...DEVOTED TO that child/others
Milliones will be killed in any case
Even a very few thousand humans that NOW evolve past their own concept of SELF wil be enough for us to surive.
You are really NOT ready to die sir.
You are however sir, ready to KILL.
What is the enemy of man:
He who would kill to create someting 'better.
This message brought to you by the Church of Universal Grooviness.
What if Thomas Payne wrote "All you need is Love"?
"God save the Queen" is what.
Simple as that.
THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.
Hero is just a euphemism for a Dead Man.
Socialism does not work.
Rugged Individualism does work.
Without Freedom and Liberty the Human Being does not achieve to their potential but stagnates, regresses, and is demoralized.
When a Socialist Government aggresses against the Free Man then self defense is not an act of violence but an act of SELF preservation.
I disagree that 2 Million Years of violence has not worked. The Government uses violence very efficiently to subjugate the populace. The problem is that it works all too well.
I will propose that we have Liberty and Freedom as that is what leads to productivity and advancement.
I will not yield my right to self defense as it cannot be construed as violence. It is a Force against violence, the violence of the aggressor.
Is that understood?
I don't think there will be a revolution in America. No "guillotines", no "lamp posts", none of that fake bravado bullshit we see so often here.
If you wait till tyranny comes knocking at your door, it's too late. If you choose to fight then, you'll die and your family too likely. They'll loot anything of value then burn your house to the ground and move on. While your cowardly neighbors "shelter in place".
How many so-called "patriots" showed up at the camp dividian compound and helped defeat Janet Reno's goon squad?
That was in Waco, an alleged "hot bed" of so-called "patriot" sentiment.
They had plenty of time to organize and get there. Serveral days watching on national TV as Reno's goons and guns and tanks surrounded the compound waiting for the green light. Alex Jones' operaton is there. He was constantly broadcasting warnings "patriots" better mobilize and get over there to defend those people.
None showed up as I recall. They watched on national TV as Janet Reno's goon squad killed everybody, men women and children, and burned the place down.
That was a defining moment in American history. Absolute proof so-called "patriots" won't respond to brutal govt aggression against the people.
That's when I realized there won't ever be a revolution in America.
You sick delusional "patriot" dumbasses have all the guns you need, but none of the guts you need.
You proved it in Waco.
Almost NO ONE was "awake" then. The state propaganda machine was in full time spin mode, and mos folks didn't even recognize it. Only in hindsight did many of todays liberty-minded recognize what had occured.
Spouting off as you are, as though nothing has changed in 20 years, reeks of ignorance - or deliberate provocation.
"Almost NO ONE was "awake" then"
BULLSHIT
That was the PINACLE of the "patriot" movement in America.
And I noticed that movement got real quiet after Waco.
"The state propaganda machine was in full time spin mode, and mos folks didn't even recognize it."
And it's sitll in full spin mode, so you're saying you idiots wouldn't recognize another Waco if it happened now?
Of course they recognized it then. Recognizing it wasn't the problem. NO GUTS was the problem.
And it's the same problem now.
Shit I remember those days, and I agree, and I have said that all along here, that there will never be a violent revolution the US public have no such history, .. the history in fact is cowardice, ..
Only the BONUS BOYS stood up and they were real men, post WWI tough as nail vets and got their asses kicked.
How fuck hardcore was WACO. Well I will share this first hand story,
Once charlie Beckwith the founder of DELTA FORCE found out his boys had been used to murder the children, he was pissed as hell and went down there and pulled his boys out, of course by then their had been a 'nexus order' about drugs by executive order where clinton/reno could send in special forces and they actually said that Koresh was cooking METH, that was what the DELTA had been told.
later charlie went nuts and went public, later he died, and he tough and strong as hell, and there was no way a guy in his shape or fitness could have died,
my point is that if even the DELTA FORCE the top trained men in the US MIL, even they got their asses kicked in WACO, ... it hopeless for all else,
Last Timothy McViegh, alone stood up as a ex army RANGER, and went in and took out OKC because it had been the command and control for WACO,
Later, anybody that had ever known McViegh had their homes ransacked and destroyed by BATF & FBI,
A little later I left the USA for good, ...shit its been almost 20 years now, ..
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There is NOTHING left fighting for in the USA all is dead, all that was good has been destroyed, and CERTAINLY it ain't worth dying for or getting hurt.
If there was even a fucking glimmer of hope would not have bailed years ago.
The problem is that the USA is a nation of ruthless assholes DEA, NSA, FBI, BATF, ... DHS, ... you can't fight even one, and if you take out one, another fills the power void, and they're fighting the public with infinite budgets, and police power, ...
The trend is to lock everybody up and toss them in prison, hell even Jesse Ventura went to Mexico, cuz he knows that it ain't worth shit to fight and/or die, to save any thing, as nothing is left.
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At best you wait for the coming civil war to pass, and then you return, as only post civil war, will there be a return to normalacy, for now the USA will continue to descend into police state hell,
Like Roberts story yesterday, now they beating granny and little girls, ... the the cops and US MIL has gone full retard, best to stay far away, and let all the fuck heads kill each other.
Yeah....good luck with that.
If you continue to live in the USA, at some point during the coming conflict you will have to submit, or fight.
If you leave, or have left...FUCK OFF...your words have no significance, merit, or even meaning.
The feds have been saying that same shit for years - get out - 'cause they hope to bluff fighters into the "live to fight another day" mythology, same with the list (red, blue & white). It's all bullshit because they know they can't win. Not to mention, you're less safe in some third-world Nation especially if you're a white person who doesn't speak the language.
As for me and mine, try me twice and I will own your soul - the first being a given.
20 years ago they killed the leader of delta force because he spoke up about WACO, and tim mcviegh was so pissed he blew up their cmd&control FBI office in OKC.
Last year many navy seals were murdered for speaking-up,
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Now the keyboard warriors are going to tell me that they're going to stand up and defend? Defend what?
Study your history, many a great man left the USA during war, and return to be a leader.
Those that stay and fight in and all 'civil-wars', are just putting themselves and their family's into situational cannibalism. ".. The Road", "Book of Eli", ... its all coming to the USA and soon.
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Anybody that goes to Mexico and is too lazy to learn to speak Spanish deserves a Janet Reno rear entry.
You're full of shit if you think THAT was the "pinnacle" of the patriot movement in America. First off, you angry, dimbulb...There were a few "radical" militia movements happening, and lot's of misinformation spreading about them. I say "radical" because it WAS radical to be that committed to freedom at that time. The Internet was a complete non-factor then as far as giving alternatives to information propagation, and almost no one understood what so many understand now.
"And it's sitll in full spin mode, so you're saying you idiots wouldn't recognize another Waco if it happened now?" - No, oh dim one - I'm saying we idiots WOULD recognize it - how fucking blind are you that you can't see that there would be a thousand voices countering every ONE talking head in MSM, should a Waco happen today?
You're a hateful, scared little man.
Hateful, BECAUSE you're scared.
...and the likes of you, will need to be watched for signs of betrayal during the dangerous times ahead...
Waco was the last snooze alarm after the Ruby Ridge wake up call. This is when the real deal Militia awoke, and the fed-sponsored militia began to be called out and exposed. Remember, no one died during the FREEMAN standoff. Fort Davis was a fed-sponsored (both sides) trap hoping to get the real deal Militia out to the middle of nowhere where Mexican, German and Chinese military were waiting, along with most of the Texas highway patrol and a 2500-member, Janet Reno domestic swat team or two.
THE Militia of Montana acclaim were invited in by White Eagle, the number 2 guy (fed), to join in at Fort Davis but declined and Fort Davis sputtered and failed soon thereafter.
The internet was just getting started during the FREEMAN standoff, but the tens of thousands of militiamen didn't need it, are still around and have used it to multiply the ranks considerably.
A few determined men forced the feds to change their Waco-style ROEs. I would go ahead and underestimate them btw. . . . ;)
"Fort Davis was a fed-sponsored (both sides) trap hoping to get the real deal Militia out to the middle of nowhere where Mexican, German and Chinese military were waiting, along with most of the Texas highway patrol and a 2500-member, Janet Reno domestic swat team or two."
If they had that much force ready and wating back then, imagine what they can mobilize now. Like I said, 3 million on short notice, 4 million in a week.
"Your side" would be hard pressed to mobilize 100,000 nationwide.
No, I'm not on "your side". I think "your side" is delusional. There's no way a grass-roots revolt can work now.
And by the way, it would be an insurrection, which is illegal according to the constitution.
The only way a revolt can be legal under the constitution is after a public declaration by one or more states of intent to dissove the federal govt or secede from the union, followed by state activation of militia forces under state military command.
That public declaration requirement is also stated in the DOI: "When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation...."
We haven't seen it, and we won't see it.
Bureaucracy was the weakness exploited in Montana and staging Fort Davis took months. Plus, there are now many militia in the military. Further, we're talking 1997, long before the revolution awoke in the hearts and minds. Times have changed and the millions are not on the side of the kleptocracy, so even if they mobilized resistance, the infiltration would jam their gears.
Besides, We the People don't need no stinkin badges. Like I said, times have changed, the Declaration would be as antiquated as wearing red coats and forming a line in an open field. Although, it could certainly follow.
At some point it could come down to: join; stay out of the way; or put on the uniform, come against US and die. 'Cause you're not claiming the legality of their actions?
Zerohedge full of eyes is exactly why we post...but I agree there are some tones best left to the trenches of firey political rhetoric which is not here.
Whereis the sweating bold leader denouncing the usurper with strong talk pounding his fists to make his point to the cadre of dedicated men who follow the vision?
He liesin his bed absconding with town women spending your hard earned gold thats where...
So back to this whole violencein the face of 21st century comforts and nsa types who think any of the posters here do more than bark..
No doubt, gonna need more ammo.
The Leviathan State must be resisted and frustrated by every peaceful means possible. We have not, by a long shot exhausted all our peaceful options. One avenue is to take a page from the Alynsky Rules for Radicals and force those in power to play by their own rules. They may have exiled parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but they haven't exiled all of them.
One rule still in effect is that no person can be convicted of a crime unless they are so voted by two juries, the first being the Grand Jury for indictment and the second the Petit Jury at trial. When government attempted to force citizens to assist capture of runaway slaves, juries would refuse to vote to convict. The law became moot and unenforceable. Does anyone think they can now get a jury to indict, let alone convict a person in Colorado for the federal crime of pot possession?
One essential tool at restoring the Constitution in Exile will be to educate a sufficient number of the public so they understand the power they have as a juror to decline to find sufficient grounds to convict, when such conviction would only advance tyranny and not justice. It is the duty of each juror to seek justice, even when that is contrary to what government seeks.
See for example: The Fully Informed Jury Association http://fija.org/
FIJA is great... too bad the Nazi authorities in Texas and prison profiteers forced them to take down their roadside billboards.
I agree.
Inundate the Courts with legal challenges until it simply ceases to function. Bureaucratic arterial sclerosis.
Jury nullification is a powerful weapon in a system that is designed to only bring cases to trial that the State can win. Lose a few high profile cases and the law becomes a dead letter.
Mass non-compliance is a corrosive element that will lead to collapse. Think Prohibition. The system simply became overwhelmed by non-compliance.
Warfare has many weapons.
You seem to think that as the accused, you will have some say as to your prosecution and/or imprisonment. I think the NDAA should have put that delusion to rest. You will be allowed to exercise ONLY the rights which THEY allow you.
Rusty old bolt action rifles have been repelling invaders and bringing occupying forces to their knees for over 100 years. Before that it was black powder and muskets.
If you took away every single modern sporting rifle (AR, AK, etc.) in America today, there would still be *far more* than enough WWII relics and hunting rifles to thoroughly crush any occupier, DHS, Red Chinese, etc.
And please don't give me that line about smart weapons and all the technology the bad guys have. They are outnumbered 1000 to 1 and technology works great until it gets slammed down face first in the mud and the technicians rebel or get shot.
"They are outnumbered 1000 to 1"
The govt can mobilize upwards of 3 million heavily armed "goons" on short notice. Upwards of 4 million within a week.
You fools might have 400 million guns, but you'd be lucky to mobilize 100,000 ready to fight and die.
So let's see, 100,000 vs 3 million. 1 to 30. At 4 million it's 1 to 40.
Quite a different picture than your fantasy 1000 to 1.
You're apparently counting guns, not guts. There's a huge difference.
And now they have drones. 50 of you darwin award candidates gathered in one place, maybe a staging spot? Spotters can light up your position and send a drone with a nice little missile with your name on it.
You'd never know what hit you. Nobody to shoot at, spotters safe distance away, well hidden. No warning at all. Just a big boom and you're all dead.
So yes, their technology is a huge factor in their favor.
"The govt can mobilize upwards of 3 million heavily armed "goons" on short notice. Upwards of 4 million within a week."
You're apparently counting goons, not guts. There's a huge difference.
that goon is fighting for his govT retirement plan.
Never get between a govT goon and his retirement.
Speaking of guts, if a small handful of those goons (drone operators, fighter pilots, targeting or intelligence guys) turn on their masters, it's lights out for them.
...and counting fabricated goons, at that...
Disinformation like that is suspect. One must question intent, when one encounters such fabrications.
TPTB are certainly doing their best to weed out the decent folks from the military and the police and keep only psychopathic goons. This is common knowledge on the inside. These goons tend to be really stupid bottom feeders though. If the NWO can mobilize the police and mlitary (is there any longer a difference?) and prevent defections, they have a chance of success. But most of the thugs are only in it for a paycheck and the perverse rewards of abusing decent folk. A rather weak form of loyalty when the lead flies. As those horrific gargoyles, Hilllary Clinton and Zbigiew Brzezinski complained, "We are losing the information wars." And the rising tide of anger against the NWO 0.0001% Owners is rising. That is their greatest danger - that their armed force will defect and turn their advanced weapons and training against their masters. And the old systems of Edward Bernays mind control appear to be failing. Time will tell.
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country." Patton
Grow a dick man. Technology is it's own worst enemy. If Snowden can collect and release that much critical intelligence on the NSA, how much critical intelligence do you think one patriot inside that group of "3 million heavily armed goons" could release?
If just a few technology guys/drone operators/fighter pilots turn on their masters, it's lights out for the bad guys.
And those 4 million goons with their tanks/high tech weapons are going to need vulnerable long supply chains. All you need to do is attack theses and not engage the enemy one on one and their advantage in numbers and equipment is negated. No to mention that I thinks there will be more than 100,000 on our side.
His numbers - both sides of the equation - are made up.
You are, of course, correct in your strategy, AND your estimates as to "our side".
Need to read your Sun Tsu.
Don't engage the enemy's strength. Engage their weakness. You don't fight the battle they want to fight, you fight the battle they absolutely do not want to deal with.
Aikido
Not ever saying violence is an answer but should any country or corporation want to stop tyranny they'd only have to take out a few banking CEO's and one or two banking families. That would stop the funding and wind down the psychopathic control by the inbreds.
So for less than a 1000 people a country or corporation could eliminate tyranny from the world.
There was a movie about that.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation....
That's a pretty snappy line.
We should write that down somewhere and save it.
It bore repeating here.
Sorry, double post.
The Finns had at least made some preparation with the Mannerheim Line, but Americans have simply become lethargic. They have two Corporatist Parties owned by Wall Street dividing spoils and then working with the Military Hegemon (which apparently occupies 75% all federal buildings) to impose the same Spoils Systems on resource-rich countries around the globe.
This is an Empire and Americans are Imperial Subjects who know their place
Brandon, A brilliant essay.
I have long agreed with Brandon Smith's analysis, articulation and prognosis of events being rolled out in the US (and also the UK where astute people have spotted this evil system began). But this essay is surely the cream of Brandon's writings. He articulates my own views exactly and expresses them far better than I ever could.
Yes, the Establishment is "evil" and is only concerned with its own survival and stolen wealth. Everything it does is to increase its own power and wealth.
It cannot be negotiated with. Violence against it is inevitable if only because it will never give up its control, domination and treasonous actions against the very people it purports to represent.
I'm with you all the way.
It would be too little too late. In Romanesque terms, the "bread and circuses," (welfare and TV/internet) have served their purpose; the currency is totally debased; this Empire is over. Collapse is imminent, and survival depends on one's own, personalized escape plan. Use your gun only to protect your holdings from whatever collapse-zombie is trying to take them from you, and RUN.
Run at the guy attacking you ? so you don't miss your shot...? good tactic :)
If you look at recent history, you will see that MAO had his purge in CHINA, and Stalin had his in Russia.
There hasn't been a major purge in the USA since the civil war,
Certainly millions must die, and there must be a reset all of WASH-DC must be incinerated, and all the states regain power, ... complete fucking reset,
But remember that unless all the fuckheads, e.g. government employees are 're-educated' nothing will change, so it means that 10's of millions must die or be sent to salt-mines to die, aka mao/stalin,
It's coming like it or not, ... just another reason to be far from the USA.
A reset like russia or china had is long over due in the USA,
Only when all the assholes are eliminated can you really honestly even attempt to try to 'fix' what ails america,
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The good news is that the civil war is coming, and its clear that FBI, CIA, NSA, BATF, local cops, ... state federal, are all going to kill each other, as they all hate each other and they all want power,
The USA has created a police state, but they have also created a mutually assured suicidal police state, and its just going to take a major black-swan to start the chain reaction, ... and again you don't want to be there when it starts or ends.
So your murder of millions is better than their murder of millions how, exactly? You don't think you'll become exactly like them by doing exactly what they do?
Both Russia & China today post reset are much better than the USA today,
Both Russia and China got rid of their assholes, ...
You really should travel, and go see that China is NOT a police state, while the USA is a police state.
The USA has more people in prison than any country in human history.l
The USA is the most evil country in human history.
The author is right... violence is coming one way or another. No one builds the type of police surveillance state the U.S. has without a plan to establish a military dictatorship and eliminate everyone who does not fall lock-step in line. There is no other reason to have this type of secret police force. If you are reading this web-site and you are in the U.S., you are in peril and will either have to fight for your life or forfeit it. That being said, as a Christian man, I do not condone violence. My best advice to all of you is to leave the U.S. The dollar is strong in many places now, especially Latin America and South America. You can start a new life with as little as 25K complete with business, home, and a little land in many South American countries.... better than stockpiling gold or bitcoins, which will not help you against the terrible, dark power that your nation has become.
Thee gov is targeting those who live independently and off the grid
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/gov-swat-teams-target-rugged-individuals-who-grow-their-own-food-produce-their-own-electricity_01032014
From an obsucre document written nearly 238 years ago, and now enshrined in US law:
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
So. Americans have not only a rigt but also a duty. But hey, we've got EBT and Obamacare and Obamaphones and American Idles...screw freedom, I want security.
Cowards and idiots resort to violence first...warriors go out of their way to avoid it until there is no other choice. It's not an either-or proposition, it is a matter of timing and circumstance. That Smith does not understand this does not reflect well on him.
He DOES seem to equate non-aggression with pacifism...Many (l)ibertarians follow a non-aggression philosophy, yet understand that aggression has ALREADY been initiated against them...it is merely their good will - and wisdom - that has resulted in them not retaliating................yet.
The only thing I understand about a "hard line" is that it must be erased....
I believe in self-sustainment AND pulling the trigger.
About time someone wrote an article like this send it to everyone including the dipshits in charge.
It's a race against time. They need those guns fast.
That's interesting and exactly how I feel about proponents of white racist ideology. Violent people only understand violence. It'll be interesting to sit on the sidelines and watch these "freedom fighters" go after the government. I and others will wait patiently on the sidelines for the pieces to fall.
your strategy wonT work.
Cause i too am waiting for those pieces to fall.
And i am willing to use violence to prevent you from getting any of those pieces.
You are unwilling to use violence to stop me! Great! then i get all the pieces!
Welp violence is language we both speak so we'll what happens. In the meantime don't confuse what you think you would do with what I have done. Just saying.
If we don'y pay the insolent child his allowance, he'll have a tantrum. Right when he loses his cool is the best time to backhand his mouthy ass as well.
This narrative scares the living crap out of me. The zeitgeist mimics that which preceded the civil war. It feels like we are in 1859. The rancor between the opposing factors is reaching fever pitch. I see it as largely a conflict between blue cities and red counties. The statists for the most part are concentrated in the mega cities while those that have not subscribed to the hive mind live in the rural counties. The needs of these two groups are vastly different. The secession movements around the country reflect that sentiment.
The evolution of the police state is a natural consequence of centralization. It is clear that the central planners are losing control. That is evidenced by their increased security measures, the stockpiling of munitions and the militarization of the police. In their effort to control everything they will lose the ability to control anything. Their strongest weapon was the perception of control held by the general public. The more visible they become, the more their ineptitude is exposed. People are beginning to see these increased security measures as a joke.
What is different this time is the brittleness of the infrastructure. In 1859 it was impossible to shut down the power grid because it did not exist. Trust me, we do not want this to turn into a shooting war. Look what two guys did to the city of Boston. Imagine what fifty could have done.
If this scares you you haven't been paying attention. If America put another white man in office tomorrow this country would calm the fuck down overnight and that's just what they'll do before Billy Bob shits himsef in West Bufu. White people (as a whole) pretend to be or perceive themselves as complex but give them some superficial victories and they'll relax. It's more about how they feel than the reality. That's why they've been getting robbed blind but only started to figure it out in 2008. Smh. This country is full of certified fucking morons. Put a white man office and you'll shut up and watch the playoffs. Go China.
What a fucking stupid comment.
Everybody knows the next Prez is gonna be either a white man or woman, and anybody who is truly paying attention knows things are gonna just get worse.
When Hillary or the GOP white boys takes the oath of office, I'll be out buying more guns and ammo. Lots of other people will be as well.
The vast majority will be rocked right back to sleep. Pretend I'm lying when you know better.
Like most on ZH, I expect a crisis, calamity, "reset" coming at some point in the future. What I continually think about is, will it reach the point where society breaks down like this article suggests, or can a restructure of the financial system (and players) take place without going through a "Mad Max" phase?
I'm very curious to know what others think might happen. Thanks.
Yes and Yes.
Yes, it might be time for a simple currency reform.
Yes, it might be time for TEOTWAWKI.
Either way: you are screwed.
In the end, it boils down to resources. We in the US consume more than we pull out of the ground, which is made possible by the whole petrodollar thing. When you think this through to the end, this should scare the hell out of you. I'm sure it scares the hell out of people in power who understand this too, which is why we're seeing such a desperate attempt to maintain the status quo. If the dollar dies, supply chains in this country WILL break, and that is what is frightening.
We live in a country where most people probably don't even know how to grow a salad garden, or the extent of their gardening consists of thinking they have a green thumb because they wanted fresh tomatoes for a couple of years. Quite a few don't even know how to cook, much less butcher a chicken. Very few even ponder where their food was actually produced. They are enamored with cheap Chinese crap or Superbowl Sunday. The very concept that supply chains could break is foreign to them, because very few actually remember times when they couldn't go into a store or restaurant and get a meal.
Again, this is the status quo, and this is what those in power want maintained. Failure to maintain it means pandemonium. Instead of being rational and encouraging a little self sufficiency, our so called leaders have pandered to and sold out to the FIRE industry, the medical industry and industrial agriculture. This has fostered more dependency on the system, and in a sick way, led to more control. Now, we're hearing that if they had even more control, they could fix things. This has morphed into something sick, where control and profit are synonymous. The encroaching police state is only a part of this.
You have to ask, is the dollar going to die? Is it going to die if the people simply do nothing? Would starting a bona fide revolution kill the dollar? Yes, yes, and yes. But what kinds of supply chain breakages would killing the dollar cause? It's tough to say. It would almost certainly reduce the number of "convenient" meals that Americans eat. I think that is a foregone conclusion. We wouldn't have to worry much about buying cheap Chinese crap either. But would it bring our agricultural industry to its knees, leading to food riots, civil unrest and ultimately, starvation? Without a massive crackdown that would require international help (i.e. material support) to fuel the government and to run the agricultural system, quite possibly.
I don't want a civil war, because the consequences would likely be nightmarish. However, I think that one is coming, whether I want it or not. There are too few resources for our lifestyle, and as our lifestyle starts to reflect this, people will get angry. As the author said, they are going to ensure that violence is necessary. They are going to do so by abusing us and they are going to do so by simply failing to deal with the reality of the dollar-resource situation. They must maintain the status quo.
If you can and have not done so, plant a garden. You would be better served growing food rather than a lawn. Make sure to share some of your produce with the neighbors, and if you can, have them compare it with what comes from the store. Convince them that it is better. Help restart the idea of self reliance.
"I don't want a civil war, because the consequences would likely be nightmarish. However, I think that one is coming, whether I want it or not."
The bankers and politicians have declared war on self government long ago. It's more blatant now. Their war already includes surveillance, propaganda, economic weapons, and Psyops, but also force and violence against the people. Remember that our public servants in DC are not the real government, it's all 300 million of us that are the only legitimate government and the Constitution is our irrevocable employment contract. Violations of our individual soveriegnty by private bankers and our own employees is treason.
Keith Alexander of the NSA actually told Charlie Rose that their activites are not unconstitutional if Obama tells him to do it because the president is elected by the people.... and Bilderberger Charlie Rose nodded. Both those assholes know better. Nixon also said it's not illegal or unconstitutional if the president does it.
We already know that that Tea Partiers are targeted by the state. Intimidation and threat of violence by the state is still violence against the people. Just see what happens when any of them resist persecutorial confiscations.
TPTB tell us through their constant propaganda and demonizations where it is all going and who they perceive as the theats to their agenda. De-legitimize all of the usurpers any chance you get. Their agenda to control all food, water, and energy along with currencies is a strategy, not a coincidence.
So Basically On ZH... Down Votes Can Mean you Pissed off a Government troll ? Your Spelling Is horrible, or you really need to Drink less before you Type something.
a down vote from a ZeroHead means some pussy is too sensitive to receive the message you posted.
I watched the whole documentary. The key sentence was at the end when the historian said it was the "will to fight" that was most important. Equipment, technology etc were secondary.
Americans have no will to fight, especially since their standard of living is light years beyond what the Finns (and the Russians) exprienced back then.
We are lazy, fat, ignorant, spoiled, helpless, dependent, and haven't even begun to think about resisting any of the controls that are ever so slowly enclosing around us.
As an afterthought, documenatries about civil wars will be more applicable rather than traditional documenatries of invasions / wars and resistance.
Watched the Whole thing also.. If you have Kids, you Better Pay attention to World events & your own Government
I watched the whole of that embedded documentary too ... Although it was informative regarding history, that kind of history has become irrelevant to the postmodernizing REALITIES.
Sure, the USA has more than a hundred million firearms, as well as billions of bullets, BUT, all combined they are less than the firepower of one atomic bomb. Moreover, one genetically engineered super plague could be released to destroy civilization as we know it. These kinds of historical videos are interesting, in their historical context, but they are pretty well totally irrelevant to the postmodernizing REALITIES.
In my view, the "Liberty Movement" is similarly insane as are Crazy Christians. They manage to keep on believing their own bullshit, despite it being left behind in the dust by the actual runaway progress of science and technology.
Remember, there are real time computer simulations, being fed with satellite images, as well as all other data, which are creating virtual realities regarding almost everything that is happening the world ... while the people directing the uses to which that kind of technology are put to are criminally insane!
I hope a nice rubber room is being prepared for the author of this post.