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JPMorgan Reveals That Stocks Are More Expensive Now Than At Their 2007 Peak

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As we warned was likely to happen back in February of 2013 (given the typical trajectory of earnings expectations through a year), JP Morgan has confirmed that the S&P 500 is now more expensive on a forward P/E basis than it was at its peak in October 2007. So, despite the self-referential bias of each and every talking head asset-gatherer on mainstream media's denial, stocks do not offer value here... no matter how many TINAs or BTFATHs you hear...


At 15.4x NTM earnings, the S&P 500 is now 0.2x turns more expensive than at its peak in October 2007


Furthermore, on a Price-to-Book, Price-to-Cash-Flow, and Price-to-Sales basis, the S&P 500 is also well above its average valuation levels...


Still think we can grow into more multiple expansion... then you better hope for an unprecedented rise in confidence...


So, are stocks cheap?

Source: JPMorgan

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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:20 | 4296281 undercover brother
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ya think?  duh!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:25 | 4296313 Hedgetard55
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"Expensive" is a relative term. If your REAL cost basis is ZERO as it is for Ben and Janet, they are no more expensive now than at any other time. A point not well understood.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:38 | 4296353 GetZeeGold
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Millions of Americans have lost their unemployment benifits.....one would assume that will free up more time for them to buy equities.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:53 | 4296392 Popo
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... or shop for healthcare.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:19 | 4296486 slightlyskeptical
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Or take out loans they will never be able to pay back.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:43 | 4296561 Hugh_Jorgan
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:14 | 4296661 fonestar
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Everything is cheap when you are using fake money.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:18 | 4296675 dogbreath
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you are the expert

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:31 | 4296697 Dr. Engali
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+1 Lol... Fonestar is to bitcoin what DcFusor is to the Chevy Dolt.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:35 | 4296711 fonestar
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Are you speaking of Bitcoin?  I would say Bitcoin is some of the most honest and most real money available.  It's limited in supply, requires energy to produce and is not controlled by any single entity.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:48 | 4296752 dogbreath
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blah blah blah

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:54 | 4296763 HamRove
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Good point Dogbreath.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:56 | 4296765 frenzic
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He's right you know.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:02 | 4297043 Jack Napier
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If BitCoin is so limited in supply how exactly did it come to exist out of nothing? What's to stop a million BTC clones from coming and saturating the digital currency markets? I like BitCoin fine, but for what it is, not for what it isn't, and it isn't gold.

The fact that JPM is now calling out the market as the farce that it is means they are posturing. The inevitable crash is coming, and they will be able to say that they tried to warn us, they have our best interests at heart, and we should give them more money because they are so benevolent.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:27 | 4296318 TeamDepends
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TINA?  This Is Not 'appening?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:36 | 4296346 slotmouth
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TINA's got a big ole butt.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84LUpG6ieis

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:17 | 4296284 whatsinaname
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It took them this long to come to this realization about valuations ? Then Gold must be really really expensive based on their "fundamentals" ??

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:27 | 4296692 Handful of Dust
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Chinese slowly discover there's something out there better then buying all the overpriced Kalifornia houses:


China embraces 'Breaking Bad'? Three tons of crystal meth seized in village



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:21 | 4296287 BurningFuld
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OK boys do we have all our shorts locked in? Release the Kraken!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:19 | 4296289 1stepcloser
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Is silver cheaper JPM???? Tell me u Fuckers...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:23 | 4296304 Dr. Engali
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Valuations....LOl....that's almost as funny as technicals.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:33 | 4296329 Schlomo Bergstein
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Indeed, an asset's only valuation is what someone is willing to pay for it and the Fed's proxies will buy equities at any price.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:32 | 4296332 Cognitive Dissonance
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It is different this time. Seriously, with the Fed in hook, line and soon enough sinker it actually is different.

Not saying they can prevent another panic, but they can start buying equities, REIT's, corporate debt etc. right out in the open. The true buyer of last resort. While doing so assures the mother of all crashes, it also assures that the 'market' can, and probably will, go higher.....if not from here, then from a lower point after a correction.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:37 | 4296345 Dr. Engali
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I agree 100%. It's been my contention that we will eventually get to the point where the fed is buying anything it can get it's grubby mits on, just like Japan. That's is why when people say there is collateral left for the fed to buy, I have to challenge that statement. There is plenty of crappy collateral for the fed to purchase. After all their cost basis for printing money is zero.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:59 | 4296416 Pareto
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And therein lies the permanent damage right Doc?  The more the FED buys, the higher prices go, the more diluted real collaterall becomes.  I posted a few days ago that Keynesians don't believe that the Cantillon effect (He who spends it first spends it best) is relevant in Fisher's languishing "v" environment.  But it is totally relevant in the context of available collateral.  For if money printed out of thin air isn't worth anything, given ZIRP, then neither is the price effect on available collateral.  The exchange value of available collateral hasn't changed, only its nominal price!


The fact that Fisher's "v" is dormant does not make the Cantillon effect any less significant, rather it just speaks to the level of poverty (debt) the majority of people and government find themselves.  The longer this dislocation of capital continues to be used for primarily unproductive (speculative) purposes, the greater the deleterious effects that will be realized when there is no productive capital left to be found.  The illusion of free money demarcated by 0% interest rates manifests itself in the greater permanent and very real damage of universal unaffordability for anything (collateral) of real value.  I reiterate what James Grant said earlier in December -"The FED can change what things look like, but the FED can never change what things are."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:29 | 4296535 Temporalist
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Let me condense this for you.


Central Banks destroy the VALUE of currency.  People no longer know what a dollar's "worth" is nor a Yen nor a Euro (or Turkish Lira, Venezuelan Bolivar...)  As a side benefit to the banksters they also try to destroy the value of asset classes like precious metals.  Unfortunately for the CBers 2 billion people in Asia have learned about how this game is played over the centuries and are dropping paper money for gold and silver.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:02 | 4296422 Hedgetard55
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Exactly. But... since there is no free lunch, where does the purchasing power of the newly printed money come from? From you and me and anyone who holds cash or cash equivalents, through currency debasement.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:28 | 4296522 RaceToTheBottom
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Your future kids are happily chipping in too.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:46 | 4296582 Hugh_Jorgan
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I would add your grandkids, and several more generations down the line.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:54 | 4296761 Blano
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:20 | 4296490 bobert
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Sorry to be a pain gentlemen but do you mean that the primary dealers will be buying?

As differentiated from the federal reserve banks buying equities directly?

Just wondering.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:32 | 4296541 Dr. Engali
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The primary dealers are buying now, the fed will be in the future. It's inevitable. Technically the fed can't right now, but that doesn't mean anything in an environment where corruption rules.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:47 | 4296745 Its_the_economy...
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technically the FED can't bai out foreign owned banks nor support the Euro but then, what's a currency swap for anyway?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:26 | 4296688 Musashi Miyamoto
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Chigorin vs Steinitz, 1892

32. Bd6-b4??

They are fucking themselves. No way this ends good.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:25 | 4296307 JP McManus
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Ben inflates the P, not the E


edit: All they have to do is increase their expectations of Forward Earnings...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:44 | 4296322 Rainman
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exactly, legalized accounting fraud takes care of the E

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:24 | 4296312 tarsubil
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The plan from the central bankers going forward is to stay high all the time to keep reality off their mind. The tops have no end. Starfleet Captain Alexander is lonely.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:28 | 4296314 firstdivision
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With Prop Trading getting neutered, these kind of reports no confuse me as to the accuracy

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:29 | 4296315 JustObserving
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Not to worry, TWTR is still cheap.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:27 | 4296317 Bosch
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Both numbers in the P/E calculation are currently bullshit so the only thing to do is sit on the sidelines with your popcorn. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:32 | 4296337 tarsubil
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That is one big KA- that we are seeing right now. Can't wait for the fireworks when it finally goes BOOM!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:30 | 4296328 mayhem_korner
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Even the 15 year averages on the comp table include inflated valuations.  So this is saying equities are overvalued relative to bubble valuations.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:31 | 4296330 pragmatic hobo
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it all depends on how much corporations can borrow so they can buy back shares ...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:10 | 4296334 ejmoosa
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Home Depot, Darling of the DOW, earned 5.838 billion in 2005, and traded at a high of $44

Home Depot, Darling of the DOW, earned 5.330 billion(est) in 2013 and traded at a high of $82.57 last week.


When will then actually start earning MORE money?



Current profit per share -total debt per share 2005:  1.46

Current profit per share -total debt per share 2013: -6.78

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:42 | 4296358 Rising Sun
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Go fuck yourself JPM - fucking rodents

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:59 | 4296423 Colonel Klink
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Yes but the rodent wears presidential cufflinks and IS RICHER THAN YOU!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:19 | 4296484 El Hosel
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LOL, "JPM Rodents"    Shot through the heart and your to blame, you give Rats a bad name.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 10:50 | 4296385 sbenard
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LET'S PLAY A GAME! It's called Identify the Bubble!

Which of those stock market bubbles in that first chart is NOT considered by Wall St to be a bubble today?

Hint: It's the BIGGEST one!

Hint #2: It's the CURRENT one!

And take note: The last three stock market declines dropped to about the level of 600. AT current prices, that represents a 2/3rds decline for stocks. Imagine the impact on all those retirement accounts!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 11:40 | 4296563 SandiaMan
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Student loans

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 12:14 | 4296658 Platinum
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I really think that bubble is on a short timer. If I were a student debtor I would not work. Instead, I'd collect handouts from government, and get my payments set up to $0/mo because of lack of income after basic living expenses.

Regardless, most people won't be able to repay their loans, including too many people I know. What a pity so many of them don't realize it.

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