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Physical Gold Demand Soared As Gold Price Tumbled In 2013

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Sales of gold coins are booming even as the precious metal's price is falling (and it's not just central banks). Despite gold futures 28% drop in 2013 (its worst since 1981), the WSJ reports that demand for gold coins shot up 63% to 241.6 metric tons in the first three quarters of 2013.

Because these investors intend to hold onto their gold for years or decades, many see the recent drop as an opportunity to buy more at a cheaper price, notes on strategist, "they're not under any pressure to get a yield or a return in a year."

Still, the importance of gold coins has been eclipsed in recent years by the rapid growth of exchange-traded funds, some analysts say, "hedge funds tend to overpower the impact of physical gold purchases... relatively little money gets them an awful lot of market power." Unlike hedge funds, who may leave when prices fall, it is clear that coin buyers are in for the long haul.

 

 

 

Via WSJ,

Sales of gold coins are booming even as the metal's price is falling, a testament to gold's continued appeal for small investors and collectors despite its first bear market in more than a decade.

 

The heightened appetite for physical gold is a rare bright spot in a market that saw hedge funds and other large investors head for the exits last year. Gold futures prices tumbled 28% in 2013, their worst performance since 1981.

 

But at mints and coin shops around the world, gold continued flying off the shelves.

 

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Sales of Gold Maple Leaf coins by the Royal Canadian Mint surged 82.5% to 876,000 ounces in the first three quarters of 2013 from the same period of 2012. The Perth Mint, Australia's national coin and bar producer, saw sales rise 41% to 754,635 ounces last year, while the U.S. Mint sold 14% more American Eagle gold coins than it did in 2012, along with a record amount of silver coins.

 

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Because these investors intend to hold onto their gold for years or decades, many see the recent drop as an opportunity to buy more at a cheaper price, he added. "They're not under any pressure to get a yield or a return in a year," Mr. Melek said.

 

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Some think the continued strength of physical gold buying will prevent prices from falling much further, as it becomes clear that a core group of investors is sticking with the market,

 

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"It's obvious to me that at some point our dollar will see a downturn in its value," said Mr. McClintock, who runs a contract post office. "Gold is just a good comfort, it's a commodity that anybody in the world knows and you don't need to be an expert to understand."

 

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Still, the importance of gold coins has been eclipsed in recent years by the rapid growth of exchange-traded funds, some analysts say.

 

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"Folks like hedge funds tend to overpower the impact of physical gold purchases," Mr. Melek said. "Relatively little money gets them an awful lot of market power."

 

Unlike hedge funds, who may leave when prices fall, many coin buyers are in for the long haul.

 

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"Most people who buy physical gold aren't doing it for the same reason you'd purchase a stock," said Mike Getlin, vice president with Merit Financial, a bullion and coin dealership in Santa Monica, Calif. "They tend to have a much longer investment horizon. They tend to hold onto them forever and pride of ownership is a huge factor in that."

 

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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:49 | 4296985 wee-weed up
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The Fed-JPM Paradox.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:54 | 4297004 nope-1004
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Bernanke said we are recovering, and QE is good for Main Street.

Bernanke also said that he doesn't understand gold prices, and that CB's buy it because of tradition.

Since I see no recovery, and see Main Street suffering bigtime, I have to assume that Bernanke is a liar who understands gold prices and knows it is much more valuable than just tradition.

I buy PM's regularly because of him.

Had he not been a habitual liar, I might think otherwise.

 

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:56 | 4297014 JohnnyBriefcase
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I've never seen anything drop in price as the demand skyrockets.

We are living in magical times.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:58 | 4297038 Ignatius
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Yes, the magic of manipulation.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:08 | 4297064 BaBaBouy
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IF Physical GOLD Is A "Barbarous Relic", Then WHAT ARE
All The Paper GOLD Futures That Keep Being PRINTED Mysteriously???

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:13 | 4297077 Ignatius
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I think Keynes* actually said the gold exchange standard is a barbarous relic not gold, FWIW.

 

* Sorry.  I normally try not to swear.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:14 | 4297095 Clint Liquor
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I want my money back for my ECON101 class. Everything they taught me about supply and demand was wrong.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:23 | 4297119 BaBaBouy
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Not Really, In Todays Context Of GOLD Barbarous Relic... READ

 

Barry Popik, reports:

Although Keynes is credited with calling the gold standard a “barbarous relic,” many other people had written similar terms (“gold is a relic of barbarism”) well before 1923. John Austin Stevens wrote to the New York (NY) Times in October 1873, stating that “gold is a relic of barbarism to be tabooed by all civilized nations.” Tennessee merchant John T. Goss testified before the U.S. Senate in 1894, saying that “Gold is a relic of barbarism and should be discarded by all civilized nations as a medium of exchange.” The book Civilized Money (1895), by Charles M. Howell, also declared that “gold is a relic of barbarism.” In December 1921, Thomas Edison said that “”Gold is a relic of Julius Caesar and interest is an invention of Satan.” Barry’s impressive etymology page is here. - See more at: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/10/who-first-calle...

AND Well, Thomas Edison Was Half Right...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:32 | 4297150 Ignatius
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"Gold is wealth."  --  me

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:49 | 4297220 Handful of Dust
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"Paper is Porverty."

 

---Grampa

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:36 | 4297394 Pinto Currency
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857,000 oz of gold coin sales - interesting.

Now about those 68 million oz. of gold bullion delivered and withdrawn from Shanghai Gold Exchange vaults in 2013 (and not to be retraded as the serialized bars are not permitted back on the exchange once withdrawn).

http://www.ingoldwetrust.ch/sge-delivery-16-20-december-55-tons-2128-tons-ytd

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:42 | 4297422 boogerbently
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Hey, wait just a darn minute.

If demand increases, supply decreases, and price......

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:57 | 4297486 DoChenRollingBearing
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:48 | 4297683 Dark_Horse
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Gold is down on rising demand because the supply side of the equation is hidden.

They are pushing paper gold supply into the market with Fractional Reserve. I wonder how far from recursive 10:1 ratio level they will reach to advance their fiat paradigm? (and save their own skins)

Dark_Horse

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:14 | 4297317 Soul Glow
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Most gold mines have been shut down too so I'm not sure where the gold will come from in 2014 to supprt demand.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:23 | 4298612 TheReplacement
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Barbarous relics +1

Inventions of satan -1

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:20 | 4297120 1000 splendid suns
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Hey WSJ, why don't you say why people are REALLY buying gold. If I wanted to hold something for a long time, I could always go with the Fidelity 2040 fund, eh? The writing's on the wall with debt/war/prison/drug backed Yellen Bux.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:50 | 4297226 Kirk2NCC1701
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@BaBaBouy: "IF Physical GOLD Is A "Barbarous Relic", Then WHAT ARE All The Paper GOLD Futures That Keep Being PRINTED Mysteriously????

A: Barbarous Ponzi.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:37 | 4297402 Antifaschistische
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The following is from "Oil Trader Insider" email, regarding Venezuela.

"Ford’s concern stems mainly from an anticipated currency devaluation, one that Bloomberg analysts estimate could come as soon as March. The bolivar will likely be weakened from 6.3 per dollar to 10.3 per dollar, allowing the government to boost domestic currency revenue from each foreign dollar used to purchase oil exports."

Perhaps gold is a barbaric instrument of trade. Whatever.  If you live in Venezuela, you better get your hands on as much of it as possible then figure out who is barbaric later.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:07 | 4297068 Alea Iactaest
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You might want to reconsider your line, "I've never seen anything drop in price as demand skyrockets".

It happens in manufacturing all the time (think personal computers).

It happens as a result of trade when goods can be moved from a point of production to a point of consumption (think spice trade in Europe).

It can also happen with commodities as new sources of supply are discovered for a previously scarce material.

All manipulation, I'm sure.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:09 | 4297080 redpill
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Except in the case of gold, the "new sources of supply" is imaginary paper gold that never exists.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:24 | 4297132 Alea Iactaest
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I'm sure once we hit the Freegold price of $55k/oz we'll see some ingenuity.

The oceans reportedly hold enough gold particles that "each person on Earth could have nine pounds of the precious metal."
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/gold.html

Near Earth Objects (aka asteroids and comets) likely will be targeted for mining.
http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-teams-asteroid-mining-company-crowdsource-spa...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:46 | 4297185 chubbar
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Unless they get right on it, all that gold coming out of the ocean will be radioactive for the next million years or so along with the salt water they are processing to get to it. Say, what do you figure the energy required to process all the ocean water would cost? Guess it wouldn't hurt to use nuclear at this point,eh?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:42 | 4298014 Agstacker
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The oceans reportedly hold enough gold particles that "each person on Earth could have nine pounds of the precious metal."

 

Yea, good luck collecting all that and coining it.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:18 | 4297108 Al Huxley
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...which would be fine, if the all-in cost for mining gold had dropped substantially, and major new discoveries had caused the supply from mining to skyrocket.  However, that's not what's happened at all.  What's happened is that there's been an incredibly successful campaign to market paper gold (futures) as the REAL market, and physical gold as an antiquated relic of the past that tags along now out of tradition rather than serving any real purpose.  This can only work for gold, due to the fact that most of the time the physical metal serves no purpose and the majority who don't care to study history forget what its for.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:10 | 4297536 toothpicker
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Hunger has been replaced with malnutrition

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:01 | 4297048 Missiondweller
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Then you haven't been reading much here in the 1 year 48 weeks of your membership.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:07 | 4297295 midtowng
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Wall Street can move things any way they want - temporarily.

In the long run the market does what it wants to do.

The hedge funds cashed in their gold profits this year because you sell your winners, not your losers.

When that gets done playing out, which it will this year, gold will move up again.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:45 | 4297681 bwh1214
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Sure in financial assets, sure, but you have seen it.  You see it every Black Friday.  If you want to see a real market at work, go to the market, Walmart.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:42 | 4297878 JohnnyBriefcase
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That is different. They slowly raise the prices prior to Black Friday so that it feels like your getting a deal but even at the sale price you are still paying more. Most products are sold for "30% off!" Even though they never had the 30% on the original price to begin with.
Might as well sell soda like:

Original price- $1,000.00
Sale price- $1.00

Wow what deal! I better buy two while this deal lasts!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:40 | 4297863 americanreality
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It's simple really.  Parker Schnabel got a new washplant and Todd Hoffman hit a paystreak in Guyana.  Supply is going through the roof.  

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:52 | 4297015 SamAdams
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FED Advisory Council Minutes, Dec 2013:  http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fac-20131206.pdf

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:56 | 4297025 jbvtme
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i'm hoping there is enough gold when the time comes to plate the blade of the guillotine

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:19 | 4297103 ArrestBobRubin
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My vote is for the blade to be dull and rusty.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:05 | 4298109 Bendromeda Strain
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Sharpened edge of a weighted toilet seat!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:22 | 4297118 Ignatius
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Silver is preferred here.  It disinfects as it cuts!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:05 | 4297059 thunderchief
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Just a another physical Tit Ringer.  More to come.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:49 | 4297000 CrashisOptimistic
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Sorry folks, but pretty much all gold articles here are clickbait.  That's just reality.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:06 | 4297065 Mad Mohel
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Go away! Batin!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:22 | 4297813 JohnnyBlaze
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Good shit man!  That one made me spit up.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:19 | 4297814 JohnnyBlaze
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Spit up 2 fucking posts.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:54 | 4297002 USA USA
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"Relatively little money gets them an awful lot of market power."

 

And one HELL of an loss when it goes against you!

 

edit: For the little guy....

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:55 | 4297012 Four chan
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“The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin. Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them but leave them the power to create money, and with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them and all great fortunes like mine will disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to live in. But if you want to continue to be the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let bankers continue to create money and control credit.”

—Sir Josiah Stamp, president of the Rothschild Bank of England and the second richest man in Britain in the 1920s, speaking at the University of Texas in 1927.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:57 | 4297016 Ignatius
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Not a lot of 'news value' for folks here at ZH.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:57 | 4297019 Sufiy
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Albert Cheng: Gold Markets Move East | McAlvany Commentary


  Albert Cheng the head of World Gold Council in China discusses the Gold market in China and how Gold has became the foundation for wealth preservation and saving. http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/albert-cheng-gold-markets-move-east....


KWN: “The Most Remarkable News In The Gold & Silver Markets” 

 

 "King World News has published very interesting long term charts for Gold, Silver and Gold Mining Shares."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:58 | 4297022 Obama_4_Dictator
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I'm shocked at this most releaving revelation! 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 13:58 | 4297034 Fight-Club
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Actions speak louder than words.  The Chinese wall of money is hell bent to acquire physical by crushing gold ETFs.  When they have "enough" is anyone's guess, but that is when the manipulation will end.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:02 | 4297051 Quintus
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When the ETFs have handed over their last ounce?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:02 | 4297044 Newager23
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My grandfather gave me $10,000 in 1991. As soon as I held the check in my hand, I only had one thought: gold! That was a long time ago, and that investment paid off big-time. But my motivation for investing in a gold mutual fund in 1991 is even stronger today. Let’s take a look at the global macro situation and see how likely gold will increase in value in the near future.

The U.S. is the largest global economy and is in a mess that is only getting worse. Starting in 1972, the U.S. stopped generating enough wealth to increase real wages for the middle class. Subsequently, the real-wage for the middle class peaked in 1972. By the end of the 1970s, we were faced with what was called economic malaise, another term of the time was stagflation. I remember buying my first car in 1980 and paying a 20% interest rate.

Reagan was elected in 1980 and our national debt was less than $1 trillion. What did he do? He asked his economic advisors what would get the economy going. They gave him Keynesian economics. Subsequently he stimulated the economy with huge budget deficits, and guess what? It worked! By the time he left office in 1988, the economy was roaring. However, to get this growth, the deficit had nearly tripled in size to $3 trillion. And because it worked, every president that followed him used the same playbook. Today we have a deficit of $17 trillion, and if interest rates rise a mere 2%, the U.S. is bankrupt, unable to pay its debt obligations.

Keynesian economics was also called voodoo economics back in the Reagan era. And rightfully so, because you can’t print your way to prosperity. But the Fed, Congress, and the President do not know of an alternative. And it isn’t just the U.S. that is using this dangerous game of utilizing debt to stimulate growth. Both Japan and Europe are also caught up in the debt fiasco.

What you need to understand is that the U.S. has no right to be living high on the hog with perhaps the highest standard of living in the world. We have not earned that right since 1972. We should have seen our standard of living drop in 1980s. But Reagan chose the devil’s alternative – debt - and soon we are going to pay the piper. The U.S. has been avoiding the inevitable for over 30 years and the clock is ticking. Our standard of living is going to drop, and when it does the dollar will no longer be the global reserve currency. This will lead to a devaluation of the dollar and all kinds of fallout.

Another key thing to understand is that the financial system is a house of cards held together with over $500 trillion in interest sensitive derivatives. The derivative nightmare was the outcome of the Keynesian economic policies of the last 30 years where debt created abnormally high risk. A derivative is supposed to be insurance to protect you. However, your insurer has to be solvent. This is called third-party or counter-party risk. If these derivatives start to melt down, no one is getting paid. It’s very similar to FDIC insurance. The insurance fund is only big enough for small to medium size banks. Anyone who has money in a large bank is deluding themselves if they think their money is insured. Likewise, a derivative is only good if it is used during a period solvency.

The financial system is highly integrated. It is a global system. It works fine if you have wealth generation and low debt. However, both of these have been eroding, and at a faster and faster rate. With $100 oil, generating wealth has become more difficult. And with low GDP rates, debt has been growing at nearly exponential rates.

Have you seen a U.S. debt chart since 1980? Here, check this one out:

 

 

By the end of 2014, the U.S. will have $18 trillion in debt. That is a huge number, but since we only know Keynesian economics, the number just keeps growing. At some point, either the Chinese or the Japanese, who both own more that $1 trillion of our debt, will realize they are not going to be paid back. At that time, they will begin a game of chicken – who will sell first. I find it interesting that they don’t like each other. Do you really think that one of them will sit back and let the other sell half of their bonds? Not a chance. Once one of them begins to sell, it will be game on, and a race for the exists.

Currently, the U.S. can only generate about $2.7 trillion in annual income. However, we are currently spending about $3.5 trillion. And if interest rates rise by 2%, we will need about $1 trillion just for interest payments. That’s called bankruptcy. The Fed cannot come to the rescue and print money to pay the interest. If they try, at some point you get hyperinflation.

When Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy, I was pretty sure that was it for the U.S. At the time, I didn’t realize the Fed could get away with printing money to keep the economy from imploding. But this game of trying to print your way to prosperity has its limits, which we are approaching. You are already seeing the Chinese steadily move away from the dollar in their international transactions. And you are seeing the Chinese buy gold in large quantities knowing the U.S. economy is playing a dangerous game. They smell blood in the water.

Abenomics in Japan is another dangerous game. This is not normal behavior for a very large economy. They have devalued their currency by 30% in less than a year against the U.S. dollar (80 yen to 105 yen). That is a sign of desperation. They also have 200% debt to GDP, and they have the Fukishima disaster which seems to be getting worse.

Europe is on life support. The economy is not improving and the debt situation has not gone away. It seems like their only policy is sell all of their gold to China. I think Europe is in a holding pattern and will continue to bailout any crisis that erupts. They seem to be waiting for a miracle, and will do whatever they can until it arrives. However, once either the U.S. or Japan begins to falter, Europe will go down hard with them.

For those of you who think the global economy can come back to life, consider that shale oil requires at least $80 oil. And without shale oil, you have an oil shortage and $150 oil prices. Thus, the floor for oil is about $80. In other words, we will not see cheap energy in the near future. And without cheap oil, it is going to be nearly impossible to get a global growth rate above 3%. What is more likely to happen is a stagnant global economy until the debt situation unravels. As I like to say, we are in a countdown. And the outcome will be much more like a bomb than a new year’s eve party. Scary? Yes, but that is the reality of what we are facing. Unless, of course we get that miracle that Europe seems to be waiting for.

Okay, you have read my analysis. If I am right (and I think the facts are on my side), then gold is the one asset that will benefit. It has to. I knew this in 1991, and I am more sure today. Even if you dismiss the huge increase in the global money supply since 1980, when gold reached $850, the number of wealthy people who can afford gold is probably 10 fold what is was in 1980. If there is even a minor trend of people converting their assets into gold, the ramifications for the gold price could be staggering. I don’t know if we will see $10,000 gold, but $5,000 will not surprise me.

I do want to add one caveat. While I am confident a bottom in gold will get set, and then we will see much higher gold prices, the actual bottom and the timing of the bottom are unknowns. Many people are predicting $1,000 gold and Harry Dent is predicting $700 gold. The bottom might be much lower than I am anticipating. If we do get $700 or even $1,000 gold, you can expect mining shares to fall hard. So, substantial risk still exists. On a positive note, if that happens, the average mining stock will be a 10 bagger, and I will finally get to buy Endeavour Silver at $2.50 a share. 

www.goldsilverdata.com


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:17 | 4297107 Unpopular Truth
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Newager

Agree with the facts, but the end is not that near yet. Before that, there will be legislation to "protect" the $6+ trillion now in IRAs, by having them invest in "safe" (/sarc) govt bonds.

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:55 | 4298063 MeelionDollerBogus
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is fer yer shilldren's shildren.
pleez fink of da shilldren.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:38 | 4297167 kliguy38
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my simple advice to you newager is instead of gold mutual funds .....you might want to invest in REAL gold bullion, guns, and alpo......mainly the last two

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:23 | 4297355 secured_party-c...
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hilarious.... your right though, especially the last two...lmao

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:46 | 4298035 MeelionDollerBogus
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10 bagger?
The average mining stock will lose 50% or more and close up shop for good.
The real 10-200 baggers will be in leveraged ETF's on silver and options for those ETF's.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:00 | 4297046 Quinvarius
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I am pretty sure all we saw over the last two years was an attempt to do a LTCM type bailout for someone(s).  I am not very sure it worked, considering the Fed came up 50% light on their German gold shipment quota.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:07 | 4297049 Tinky
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This recent, related post by Ted Butler is well worth reading:

http://www.silverseek.com/commentary/2013-–-year-jpmorgan-12815

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:07 | 4297061 Arkadaba
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Yes I agree worth reading.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:09 | 4297303 ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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Its a fucking incredible story is what it is.

 

A lot of it has been heard before, especially by the Turdite crowd, but the detail I hadn't heard before was that of JPM taking delivery of double the amount of gold that any one trader is allowed for a delivery month according to the rules. 

 

Fucking unreal.  They short the shit out of the market with paper and if I as a long try to stand up to them, Im limited in the amount of phys I can demand, but when they go long, the same rules don't apply.

 

It's too bad Jim Sinclair did so much damage to his rep with his terrible timing calls this year, because he is also on record saying the same guys who manupulated and broke the rules to the downside will soon be doing the same to the upside.  Now that JPM has an illegal long corner to counter last years illegal short corner, things might be finally getting close to turning.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 06:32 | 4297753 MeelionDollerBogus
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JPM gave a gift that keeps on giving.
You can stack gold & silver at much cheaper prices knowing the end-game hasn't changed & is very metals-positive.

Also, tsx HZU is only at 7.23/share right now and is a 2x (no margin, no expiry/options) etf on silver. Pretty cheap (agq is too, American). By the time silver hits 90/oz it will be in the area of 150/share (hzu) and agq will be 337 or so.

In addition to stacking, having some nice leveraged (but not margined) paper to offset costs of bullion delivery/ownership can be good.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:16 | 4297329 fijisailor
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Great read

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:04 | 4297060 Al Huxley
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That's why TWTR is at 70 - nobody wants to buy it - if everybody wanted it, it would probably be trading at 20 right now.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:15 | 4297094 Bullionaire
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Go short of barbarous relics and long of Bitcoin.

 

General Reggie's leading the charge!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:21 | 4297159 oddjob
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Oh yes, take the 'profits' from shorting RCL like he reco'd and put them to use.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:19 | 4297098 Atlas Crapped
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PGA's generally hold gold in expectation of an historic revaluation in an epic debt settlement scenario for when the current debt-based IMFS necessarily, mathematically and logically fails. It is not an emotional "current sentiment" driven momentum holding, but rather a mathematical matter of fact, combined with the certainty of human nature.

Betting on human nature over a generational timeline always guarantees the greatest return, as the "continuation holdings" (if we could actually audit them) massively proves ....

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:41 | 4297168 americhinaman
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PBOC stopped selling 2013 1 oz. gold pandas in October of 2013.  The maximum mintage was 600k... apparently the max was hit.  For 2014 1 oz. gold pandas, they have increased the maximum mintage to 1mm.

This is meaningful because generally, Chinese people don't really buy gold coins as much as they do gold jewelry and ornaments.  Coins are more of an afterthought in terms of gold purchase priority.  It looks like this afterthought may become the world's best-selling bullion coin soon... having the best-selling bullion coins has been a soft goal of the PBOC for a number of years, and the fraction of these sold externally is more or less the only gold export product coming out of China.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:52 | 4297224 Sufiy
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After The Crash: The Future of Bitcoin and Math Based Digital Currencies


The video in the beginning of this discussion is the great explanation of the Bitcoin. And history of Crypto-currencies development is nothing less than fascinating. But there is the progress and there is an idea to get rich overnight. These are too very different things.    We have the feeling that this entry will be at the right timing again. There is always another crash coming to Bitcoin. It is not the question of the technological advance presented by Bitcoin, but it is the nature of its created Bubble.    After our last entry Bitcoin has recovered from low of 2011 to the 4742 at BTCChina. Now another shake out could be coming - the volume is going down dramatically as Bitcoin price is moving up. By the end of January China's ban on currency withdrawal will be in place. You can make your call when the next wave of selling will begin. It is quite interesting that Gold price is moving strongly up last few days with the new money being allocated to Gold. China encourages its citizens to accumulate gold and bans Bitcoin for its financial institutions. Will 2014 become the year of Great Rotation from Bubbles and into the real assets? http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/after-crash-future-of-bitcoin-and-ma...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:39 | 4297666 MeelionDollerBogus
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after the GRID CRASH that bitcoin won't buy anything.
Show me how 100% of bitcoin transactions can be as thriving as coin+cash with no electricity and no network and NO latency.
show me, Foneystar. :-)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:54 | 4297732 supermaxedout
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The US Dollar is kaputt. Bitcoin is their last hope.  Bitcoin is a brandnew fiat currency having value only in the internet. Bitcoin is rising in value in case the internet community accepts it on a broad range.

If this can be managed, then one can produce bitcoins and buy whatever he wants on the net for nothing.  So one can say:  Bitcoin = US Dollar for the worldwide internet community. Direct fiat money without banks.  Thats all. Just facade and propaganda but not backed by anything other than threats, propaganda and blackmailing. 

Dont dare  to fight bitcoin otherwise you are a terrorist and the US cyber warriors are going to destroy your country electronical economical in no time. 

This is all what  can be said about bitcoin. Its a Trojan Horse trying to defend US/UK supremacy in money matters. A new weapon in the currency wars.

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:19 | 4297341 secured_party-c...
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Say what you want about China.. The only people in US and Europe telling citizens to buy gold is wallstreet and the only gold their selling is 'worthless' paper...lmao

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:58 | 4297481 Spungo
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The demand for gold is very telling. Gold is one of those useless things people buy when there is no alternative store of value. Interest rates are at record lows, so the only place for bonds to go is down. Stock markets around the world are overpriced. Real estate around the world is overpriced. Central banks around the world are racing to destroy their currencies as quickly as possible. The only things left are precious metals. At one point, Warren Buffet owned an estimated 1/3 of all the silver in the world. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:37 | 4297654 MeelionDollerBogus
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gold is not in any way useless.
-1 for you.
I'm getting a gold crown shortly & have 4 already.
It's in all my electronics and in my real money, my gold coins.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:04 | 4297528 vegas
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What's demand got to do with anything? Having the mystery account @ JPM sell 10,000 futures contracts at the market for a $50 smackdown is all that matters.Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

 

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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:28 | 4297593 kenezen
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There's another gold play in action. One is a supposition and one is a fact. China wants to be the next "Reserve Currency". Gold is the standard on which their goal resides . They need supposedly over 8500 ton. One hear they have far less and some say they have already more. It is widely known they are avid buyers and when the markets are driven down by Wall ST. Paper sales (Futures Sales) China is the primary buyer of the deliverable! 

The real question is When will they succeed and How much is our dollar devalued in purchasing power when it happens?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:34 | 4297639 MeelionDollerBogus
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http://youtu.be/x53FMKYZVhU : drutter divergence summary 2013 demand vs price of silver (gold implied, not as much detail on it is shown here)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:40 | 4297657 supermaxedout
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A brand new industrial mass market  for Gold:        Gold as a Chemical Catalysator

Scientific developments of the recent years have opened up a a new market for gold.

This is a very new development which is just now slowly transformed into products and industrial processes. But this market is going to become fast very huge in my opinion.

Follow these links to find out that the industrial future for gold has already started:

Gold hits its golden age as a high-tech material https://www.llnl.gov/news/aroundthelab/2012/Aug/ATL-082212_gold.html

Chemists go for gold http://sciencewatch.com/articles/led-thomson-reuters-citation-laureates-...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:46 | 4297700 Cannon Fodder
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So I have a question about owning physical gold or silver.... what do you do with it after the fact? After the dollar crashes, or the zombies invade, whatever....  How do you cash it in?

1. You sell it through a bank, etc... well then you admit you have it and the government taxes the crap out of it....

2. You can try to barter or sell it to individuals but how does the counter party know it is real gold? (conversly how would I know it was real gold or silver if I was accepting it in trade?) So what incentive to they have to accept it if they can't prove it is real?

 

So while your overall wealth may have been preserved via PM price inflation, how do you extract its value? (sorry if this sounds stupid).

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:10 | 4297789 supermaxedout
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Dont worry. Gold is then money. Go to a bank and change it into the currency you want. If you made a profit with your gold in terms of your local currency then you have to declare this as income (depending on the local tax laws).   I do not believe that governments do install a high windfall tax on gold because otherwise the gold would not come into the open, to be invested in the economy. But goldmines might be confiscated by the governments, thats why their stock price is depressed and is not gone rising.

Gold is capital and this is what the economy needs most after the crash. The government is going to size down dramatically since they are not anymore creditworthy and the tax base is cannibalized. So gold is the only chance to rebuild the economy and to restore the tax base. So if you have gold after the crash they will roll out the red carpet for you since they want that you invest in the local economy.

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:16 | 4297807 Cannon Fodder
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I guess whether or not they install a high windfall tax is the key question.

Also one would have to hope that they hadn't already tried to seize gold, and when previously asked if you owned any you said no. If that was the case, now they would accuse you of lying and being some kind of financial terrorist. Either way, you still lose and gold has then not really helped you maintain financial wealth.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:38 | 4297854 supermaxedout
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Most probabaly the crash destroys the whole financial system.  This is going to cause a revolution, heads will roll and chaos breaks out.  The worry if they tax your gold will be not your biggest worry then. However Im sure its not a mistake to have gold in such a situation. Gold is then the only money accepted just as the Constitution of the US is demanding.

 

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:55 | 4297721 disabledvet
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those sales can be taxed. "ten thousand a coin." end of sales overnight.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:24 | 4297827 css1971
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Um, you think your "leaders" are going to tax themselves voluntarily?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:41 | 4297862 Save_America1st
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You can practically replace "gold" with "silver" everywhere in this article and update the charts for silver as well and it's the same sentiment.  Silver is getting scooped up like crazy, and it just might be the buy of the century after this is all said and done.  When the SHTF, the masses of sheeple with what little fiat they have left are going to try and rush into silver because of its lower "paper" dollar value right now.  Silver will quickly skyrocket if it had not done it already by the time the sheeple wake up and want some.  It's going to be crazy out there when that stampede for silver gets up to full speed ahead.  I'm glad us stackers will be outta the way of it when the time comes.

However...keep your heads on a swivel and remember one thing.  The unfortunate drawback that may very likely occur after the SHTF is that all those people over the last several years who we were always trying to help wake up about silver, prepping, etc. and who didn't listen are going to remember that we are stackers.  Now, hopefully nobody close to us, friends, family, certain co-workers, etc. won't do anything against us.  But like I always say...it's not who you tell...it's who THEY tell that you have to worry about. 

That's where your big stack of lead/copper and lead delivery systems come into play.  I dread those days if they come and I hope they don't.  But the breaking point this time around is going to be so ugly that I'm afraid it may already be a foregone conclusion that our society will aboslutely come unglued across the nation.  Why else would the government be readying for just such an event???

Not only do they know/think it will happen naturally at some point...I think this Marxist, treasonous government WANTS it to happen and are going to try and FORCE it to happen so that they can hammer down on us and wipe out our Constitutional rights once and for all. 

2014 could be crucially pivotal in deciding which way things go before the end of this decade.  I have a bad feeling we're 90% towards a total collapse rather than steering away from the cliff/iceberg and saving the Republic.  I think it might be that the only way we actually do turn things around and reset the system (hopefully for good and not evil) is if things collapse so that we can wipe out all the bad parts of the system that are rotting it from the inside out.

Like the old Chinese saying goes:  "May you live in interesting times."  And they didn't mean that as a blessing...they meant it as a curse.  I think "interesting times" are definitely upon us and are going to continue to get much more "interesting" if ya know what I mean.

Keep stacking!!!  And screw BTFD at this point.  I seriously think we're past that crap and it's no use at this point trying to catch a bottom...especially in phyzz silver.  Just get it when you can while you can as it fits into your weekly or monthly budget. 

Yes, there will be dips along the way as we climb back up towards the 30's, 40's, and beyond.  But what supply will there be going forward as we hit those valuations?  What premiums will our LCS's or online outlets have to put on the phyzz in order to stay in business?  Right now things are still calm...as I said, those who would not listen to us before are still not buying phyzz, so we have to just keep stacking now while we can. 

Once the "sleepers" wake up well then you can just forget about it.  Those pictures we see of Chinese people buying 20 grams of gold at a time crowding every mall and store will look like nothing compared to the phyzz riots we're going to have in America.  Just a crazy prediction...look what happens over Black Friday or when a storm is coming...people start killing each other over a jug of water or a pair of Nike Air Jordans. 

Wait until the dollar has collapsed and inflation takes off BIG TIME on all the essentials.  People are going to have their fingers cut off and teeth knocked out by thugs trying to get their rings and gold teeth.  You know what I'm talking about?  It will get ugly.

That will be when us stackers should be at home making sure we're ready for anything that might come a knockin' at our doors. 

Just sayin'...

And now that I'm all fired up after my little rant here, I'm leaving work and going directly to my LCS to grab a nice shiny stack of phyzz Ag...and so should you all! ;-)

Have a great weekend folks!!!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:22 | 4298286 OldTrooper
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I find no point of disagreement.  Buckle up kids, this could get a bit rough.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:45 | 4298527 dark pools of soros
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if it is getting 'scooped up like crazy' then who is selling it like crazy?

 

you guys are all clowns!!!

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:17 | 4298451 dark pools of soros
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If buying shot up, that means selling shot up..   if price is falling, that means it is a CLEARANCE SALE

 

everyone with a brain knows the price is kidnapped so it is dead money..  as in: once you are dead, some one else will use it as money

 

 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:17 | 4298713 gnomon
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Buying gold is a bet that Liberty survives somewhere in the world. I don't want to bet against that, ever.

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