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Senator Bernie Sanders Asks NSA If It Spies On Congress

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The real life magic-mushroom, banana dictatorship envisioned by George Orwell just went full retard.

From VT Senator Bernie Sanders:

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today asked the National Security Agency director whether the agency has monitored the phone calls, emails and Internet traffic of members of Congress and other elected officials.


Has the NSA spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?” Sanders asked in a letter to Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA director. “Spying” would include gathering metadata on calls made from official or personal phones, content from websites visited or emails sent, or collecting any other data from a third party not made available to the general public in the regular course of business?”


Sanders said he was “deeply concerned” by revelations that American intelligence agencies harvested records of phone calls, emails and web activity by millions of innocent Americans without any reason to even suspect involvement in illegal activities. He also cited reports that the United States eavesdropped on the leaders of Germany, Mexico, Brazil and other allies.


Sanders emphasized that the United States “must be vigilant and aggressive in protecting the American people from the very real danger of terrorist attacks,” but he cited U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon’s recent ruling that indiscriminate dragnets by the NSA were probably unconstitutional and “almost Orwellian.”


Sanders has introduced legislation to put strict limits on sweeping powers used by the National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation to secretly track telephone calls by millions of innocent Americans who are not suspected of any wrongdoing.


The measure would put limits on records that may be searched. Authorities would be required to establish a reasonable suspicion, based on specific information, in order to secure court approval to monitor business records related to a specific terrorism suspect. Sanders’ bill also would put an end to open-ended court orders that have resulted in wholesale data mining by the NSA and FBI. Instead, the government would be required to provide reasonable suspicion to justify searches for each record or document that it wants to examine.

Uhm... yes?



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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:45 | 4297180 max2205
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Of course they do you dumb motherfucker ...aca wouldnt have paased without them


And look at all the generals fired....gezzzxx what a moron

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:45 | 4297189 nope-1004
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His request can be translated as:  "Holy crap.  Do they know about my dirty closet?  I better ask......"


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:51 | 4297217 pods
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What an idiot Sanders is.

So by his big bad letter on offical letterhead he thinks they might actually tell him something?

What if they say no?  Is there any way that he can verify that?  Of course not.
And since Keith is a KNOWN liar, why would he believe anything in response to his question?

Plain and simple, this is a setup for OUR consumption.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:53 | 4297239 jbvtme
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trolling for votes. vermont is loaded with well worn antiques masquerading as politicians

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:02 | 4297279 BaBaBouy
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YEAH, Everybody SO HONEST...

Obama’s Half-Brother ‘Floored’ About President’s Lying About Meeting Him By Andrew Johnson January 2, 2014 4:57 PM

Mark Obama Ndesandjo said he was surprised to hear his half-brother President Barack Obama say they had only recently met for the first time. “I was floored by it — I don’t know why he said it,” Ndesandjo said to Laura Ingraham, adding that he had met the president several times over the years and still isn’t sure what his motivation was for making the claim. “I think he was being president and was not being my brother,” Ndesandjo said. From their first meeting, which took place in the 1980s in Kenya, where he lived as an American ex-pat, Ndesandjo? said both he and the president had different views: Ndesandjo was trying to distance himself from his father and his father’s name, while Obama was looking to further embrace his father’s roots. When Ingraham pointed out that Obama doesn’t spend very much time with his extended family and seems to prefer the company of celebrities such as Jay-Z and Beyoncé, Ndesandjo said she “had a point.” Ndesandjo, who has a book coming out in February, said ultimately that he isn’t very political and tends to focus on “the art side.”

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:09 | 4297293 Stackers
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Now our "freedoms" are being protected by the one sitting member of the socialist party of america......

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:10 | 4297310 ronaldawg
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My guess is that they won't answer - at least directly. 

If the answer is "No" - here comes Snowden to trickle the information out again - and they are caught in big fat lie.

Good move on Bernie's part.  Let's see if there is any follow through.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:21 | 4297347 Bangin7GramRocks
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You are so right on this. Sanders served up a meatball for Snowden to crush it out of the park. The day after the NSA categorically denies, Snowden releases documents proving a lie. Of course, nothing will happen and few Americans will care, but it will be fucking hilarious!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:31 | 4297361 MonsterBox
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with enough evidence, Bernie's just afraid he might be fed to the dogs, NKorean style.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:32 | 4297377 Gen. Keith Alexander
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We categorically do not not spy on Congress.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:36 | 4297410 Five8Charlie
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Thanks. I certainly feel better now.



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:45 | 4297436 Dr. No
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Well, if they did spy on CONgress, it would be the one time there was acutal probable cause.  I mean not a day goes by in that place a criminal is up to no good.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:21 | 4297564 Newsboy
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This letter is a strategic move, and a good one.

It creates discomfort and uncertainty at the NSA.

Lie to Congress, or admit spying on Congress?

(heh, heh, heh...)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:16 | 4297804 Stuart
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Gen Alexander is going to lie through his asshole.  He will not/cannot ever admit they are spying on Congress.  Shit would obliterate the fan.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:33 | 4297840 Keyser
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Of course they are spying on politicians. How else are the spooks going to get dirt on the demigods, so they can blackmail them into voting for their black programs. 


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:33 | 4297990 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Sure and then they will pass some law loaded with loopholes and present it the the public as a fix to NSA spying. Political brownie points for everyone but nothing will change.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:02 | 4298102 markmotive
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Hello captain obvious.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:25 | 4298153 AlaricBalth
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The question that must be asked is not "who is the NSA spying on?" The answer is obvious, they are gathering data on everyone.

What needs to be asked is who exactly is the NSA working for? Certainly not the American people. Is it the MIC, CFR, BIS, globalists, corporate interests, or all of the above.

Or are they a rogue outfit with ulterior motives just trying to guarantee their own survival. A clandestine government cloaked as a benign data gathering agency.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:41 | 4298343 Seer
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It's the Secret Government.  Bill Moyers did a documentary on it back in 1989.

If it exists then you're fucked, just like if you're only a little pregnant you've been fucked.

This is how it always goes.  We pretend that we can control such things but it never happens.  POWER eventually destroys everything around it before consuming itself.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:18 | 4298461 satoshi101
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Hell yes, that's why I say here, if you were paying attention you would know that the USA died long before 1989.

Hell Microsoft had backdoors in windows before 1986, NSA was already in  your shorts,


Today essentially the SPY racket is 99% of employment, its so big that it had to be made public, sort of like hiding the space aliens cuz the masses weren't ready yet,



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:37 | 4298493 Muppet Pimp
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It is simply a case of the prisoners dilemma writ large.  On the bright side, if the status quo remains, the economy remains.  All the right power players globally are on the payroll and the economy is the golden goose.  If the golden goose dies, they lose the best thing ever invented.  So, we get bubblicious boom/bust economy with asymetric information and they get virtually unlimited power money and prestige.  Its a big club, and you and I ain't in it.

You do understand why the Rothschild owned Reuters has a finance website called counterparties right?  If the alternative to the present system is giving the power to the goons in DC, we may as well stick with the current system.

Oh, and Bernie, the answer is "Yes, now what the fuck are you gonna do about it"



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:18 | 4298583 clymer
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Bernie.. Really?


(I know there is no direct correlation but this reminded me of debate '88:


SHAW: Now to you, Vice President Bush. I quote to you this from Article III of the 20th amendment to the Constitution. Quote: "If at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President the President-elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become president," meaning, if you are elected and die before inauguration day

BUSH: Bernie.)

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 08:17 | 4299397 negative rates
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This legislation will go in one ear and come out the other without being retained. The military runs the country and nothing shall change.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 00:39 | 4298918 Seer
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"if the status quo remains, the economy remains."

Anything can be judged a success given a short enough time slice.  Nothing lasts forever, and the current "status quo" is no exception to this rule.  The overwhelming majority of our modern infrastruture, of which POWER resides over, has been made possible by a finite resource- oil.  The TRICK has always been for TPTB to get the dumb masses to extract more than what is necessary for themselves and this excess then is consolidated within TPTB.  Though it doesn't look like the masses are going to wisen up, it DOES appear that the ability to generate excess for the bloodsuckers is starting to wane, and when this happens they lose their control.  It's basically the job of the NSA to keep this going: remember Dick Cheney saying that "the American way of life is not negotiable," and you realize that he was right- it's highly fragile and requires massive amounts of military actions and NSA spying (I'm guessing that TPTB had Cheney's pace maker's frequency on speed dial)

As much as Eisenhower knew back in his day even he was unable to do anything.  I'm not thinking that folks here would label Ike as some effeminate socialist...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 12:46 | 4299808 Muppet Pimp
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Nothing will ever be perfect, and those in power usually abuse their positions.  That being said, Americans would agree with Dick Cheney quote en masse, we are not willing to negotiate on our way of life.  And frankly with technology and the media having become so powerful and with large portions of the electorate so disconnected from reality (kardashians, etc.), are you actually asserting that if the masses had more sway over things they would improve?  Are you seriously suggesting that?  The best the masses should hope for is plenty of opportunity (jobs), freedom of speech without consequece, low taxes, good roads and services. 

The democrats are currently offering the following: Handouts in lieu of increeased opportunity, demonization of those who try to work within the confines of the free markets to create opportunity for themselves and others, higher taxes, repurcussions for speech that differs from their liberal worldview, unionized public workforces focused on greed over public services.  Florida, Texas et al got it right.  We will continue to see how right they got it as more and more yankees escape their self created prisons to freedom down south over the next decade or two.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 05:37 | 4300350 diffusing
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:55 | 4298552 chumbawamba
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The Honorable Bernard Sanders, Senator, State of Vermont, is:

a) naive as fuck?

b) ignorant as all get out?

c) douchily obtuse?

d) all this and more.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 00:25 | 4298888 Oh regional Indian
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He could be gaming th egamers too you know. Smart move. Paint them in a corner?

It's a game with-in a game with-in a game all wrapped up in WORDS....


Sat, 01/04/2014 - 03:53 | 4299258 chumbawamba
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I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the "and more" clause in option d).


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:18 | 4298462 old naughty
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"You want to know the truth?

You can't handle the truth !"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:56 | 4297806 sunaJ
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@Newsboy -

I think you are right that it is a strategic move, but for whom?

I'm quite convinced, both in my professional experience and in the information being brought forth by one patriot in a den of thousands (claiming to be patriotic but that seem to have no idea what that means), that it is the US intelligence apparatus that is collecting ALL information possible on ALL people (Americans or non-citizens).  So, is it strategic for Sanders to pretend that he did not know this is true, or is this lawmaker so daft that he does not get it yet (while he is making and voting on laws that directly affect government intelligence gathering privileges)?  And, if it is the former, did he expect anything other than a "no" response?


Actually, this whole letter offends me, because he should know - being a lawmaker - and he should be more concerned about the privacy of people he has been PUBLICLY selected to represent than what interest the NSA may have in him personally because of his elected post.  What a fucking tool.  The answer of whether the NSA is unlawfully out of control is staring us in the face, but Mr. Sanders wants to know exactly what the NSA has on him before he decides to do more than politely ask questions to a man that has been a proved liar in testimony before congress.   Bernie writes his letter defining spying as the very things that have been revealed the NSA collecting on virtually every American.  What a joke.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:59 | 4297903 Newsboy
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Strategic move "for whom?"

That would include all who want General Alexander and the NSA weakened, right?

It is a move that puts Alexander in a lose/lose situation.

All he can do is stall a bit, while he checks his level of support, to see what he can pull off.

There is certainly already documentary evidence in the hands of Sanders and others that the NSA is spying on congresscritters. Alexander must be aware of the extent of it.

Alexander is the head of a vast spy network, with the dirt and leverage on everybody, but he's a man.

It's an opening, an Achilles heel, a chink in the armor.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:00 | 4298022 sunaJ
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You seem to have more confidence in Mr Sanders than I do, but it makes me feel warm inside if I suppose that Sanders is trying to do a greater good for the American people (weaken NSA grasp) than fulfilling some motive of self-interest or displaying his complete ignorance of the constitutional matter.  I vaguely remember having that mindset too!  :)  Perhaps I'm just older and more cynical - or just wrong.  As far as I'm concerned, the "I forsake all for the fight against terrorism" crowd are more on their heels now than ever, and by orders of magnitude.  If this is the best we can muster - asking in a sweetly composed letter (not directly before congress and televised under oath, mind you) written by some senator that sounds more like a private communication and not a public inquiry, then our representatives are as bought or ball-less as I presume them to be.  I want injunctions, public inquiries, arrests and trials, because frankly, if we do not have some sort of reconciliation, then who cares who wrote whom politely about whether or not they were personally being spied upon?  No.  When I see a truckload of court summons and FBI agents raiding the front door of Keith and his ilk, I'll be right there with you in cheering on our representatives.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:01 | 4298087 tip e. canoe
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:53 | 4298218 Newsboy
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I'm 55, so you can judge our age differential.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend", is what I'm going to apply here.

Alexander must have a fair number of enemies by now.

Pile-On Folks!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:44 | 4298314 sunaJ
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With all respect to Bernie, if he is sincere, he may not know who his enemy advice to him in the BEST of these circumstances is more along the lines of 'know thy enemy.'  My only contention is that the game we are observing is much different than the one being played.


I'm younger than you (not by much), so I'm either just more cynical or wrong :)


Let's see what happens!




Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:53 | 4298375 Seer
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Sanders has placed this into the procedural hopper where it has to be processed for all to see/hear.  And I'd think that it should slap all those in Congress into waking up.  No, I don't believe that Congress will get anything done here...  I'm sure, however, that Alexander is going down.  As someone else noted, Snowden's duffle bag will be able to pull out a LOT of rabbits.

McCarthy got his comeupance, proving that Congress does have some power if it so chooses to use it.

Alexander will step down shortly.  The shit will blow over and the game continues...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:49 | 4298467 sunaJ
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Yeah, I believe you are right about Alexander, perhaps about Sanders.  Alexander will fall upon the sword to protect the republic that has been envisioned by many that thought they are protecting us and did naughty things to bring it to pass in their ideology.  But I don't want those naughty things to continue, their ideolgy is pathetic, and resignations are often only a political conciliation toward a continued trend.  I even understand how they think they were being patriotic, but they are wrong and it's too important to look for a scapegoat and say all is well.  Our country needs a change, not a resignation.  I'm not sorry if I am more revolutionary than that.  I'm looking for consequences and change, which is I believe reasonable as a citizen of this country, who puts his silly dollars towards its purpose.  We don't have much say in what goes on anymore, I believe, but I think that we can stop paranoid voyeurs (even if they are boyscouts) from creeping into our lives to this extent, if we have the will (which I think we, the people have).  My paradigm is that I see the way our political system actually is, and that we, the people, cannot speak in the cacauphony of money that is swirling about.  If you cannot trust your political system, yet your political system has for some time been based upon money and media (ie, money), then forgive me for being cynical.


I was a police detective for many years.  I remember talking to victims of crimes and I felt that it was important in the beginning to tell them that the wheels of justice turn slowly, meaning that they will have to go through a lot of effort and time to receive justice, and what I found is that the majority of victims just did not want anything to do with the memory anymore - they wanted to move on - which is a good trait in many regards - or simply fear.  But this attitude does harm to the greater good, meaning that there will always be another rape or burglary from this specific individual.  However, we are not talking about a burglary or a rape of an individual, we are talking about the way 350 million people are governed by a very, very few.  First of all, I know that justice is a human invention, which means that it is easily if not frighteningly manipulated - or abrogated completely.  Still, my belief has always been to be strong and have the strength to do what is needed to bring a sense of justice.  "Moving on," in this context, without a redress of grievance, is the same as saying that it didn't happen at all.  Accepting a resignation is the same as telling someone that raped somebody that he better not do it again, but by all means, go about your life, enjoy it, and continue.  A resignation, in this respect, would be resignation to a rapists will.  Prosecute the motherfucker.  He knew what was going on and lied about it because he thought his super-secret clearance gave him privileges above the constitution.  It's that simple.  Use his testimony to find others that wanted to torture people or violate human rights - it's right there in front of you.  I'm not looking for a witch hunt, I'm looking more for truth and reconciliation, even if we have to pass through the soap opera of who sent letters to whom before they face something other than a CNN poll of "What do you think about Bernie Sanders' letter to Keith Alexander?" 




Sat, 01/04/2014 - 01:11 | 4298990 Seer
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"But I don't want those naughty things to continue, their ideolgy is pathetic, and resignations are often only a political conciliation toward a continued trend. "

Well, it's an ugly world... I don't like those "naughty things" either.  Sadly, just like all the other "sins" I'm afraid that we're destined to continue on with them.

As the world's population continues to rise and its resources dwindle the pressures on the infrastructure (of which TPTB are responsible for- they exist OFF of it, so I don't believe that they can be indifferent to its problems [which affect us]) continue to mount.  And so many ideologies have amassed power that it's a constant threat (others want their "share" too), more pressures to maintain a given entity's standard of living.

It's all a losing battle.  This outcome was dictated when we decided that it was possible to base our civilizations on the basis of perpetual growth on a finite planet (always, of course, dismissing that "finite planet" thing).

Animals kill in order to survive.  Humans are animals...   Much of the killing has been made distant.  This is changing as world resources become scarcer- we no longer can not see.  The NSA is but a mechanism to hide us from all this, and should we start seeing and start to warn others of the ugliness that the NSA is supposed to oppress (of course, they do get paid for doing so, so it's not just ideological to/for them).

As I told someone I used to know who was in intelligence in the military and thought that it was necessary to maintain some secrets- Secrecy Kills.  I suspect that if he recalls me telling him that that he's by now sure to get it...

I'm kind of neutral on most of this.  I see the system as requiring it all, in which case it makes sense and fits.  But, I don't believe in the system, in "making it smaller" or "more efficient" etc. etc., as the lie that it's all built on is its essence and cannot be changed (only replaced by something different).

It's going to end.  I just like to monitor things (not in any NSA kind of way) and to promote logical thinking (and discourage hypocrisy, name-calling, and bigoted shit).

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:20 | 4297810 knukles
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Do you hear me now?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:21 | 4297578 kralizec
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NSA spies on everybody...even others in the's what they do.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:30 | 4297605 Citxmech
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"Almost Orwellian?"


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:19 | 4297947 Beam Me Up Scotty
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That's like telling your wife you aren't really having anal sex with her because your dick is only half way in her ass. She might think otherwise.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:59 | 4298223 DaveyJones
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:32 | 4297615 James-Morrison
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Dear Bernie,  We only spy on YOU, the rest of congress is "safe".



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:45 | 4297682 EscapeKey
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I'm sorry, but it's the comments here which have gone full retard.

Of course he bloody knows they spy on him. This is about getting a response, on the record, from the NSA.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:58 | 4297715 AlaricBalth
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Never ask a question in court or politics unless you already know the answer.

During the drama over the so-called Amash Amendment General Keith Alexander, head of the NSA, went to Capitol Hill to lobby against the law. During the course of his lobbying members of Congress responded to his presentations with a reasonable question – can we see our own files? Alexander said no. 

Sirota also spoke with Rep. Alan Grayson who told him that in the course of the conversation about the NSA and files they might have on members of Congress said “one of my colleagues asked the NSA point blank will you give me a copy of my own record and the NSA said no, we won’t. They didn’t say no we don’t have one. They said no we won’t.” Dare anyone accuse the NSA of being cryptic?

Just ask former Maryland Rep. Michael D. Barnes. His calls to Nicaraguan government officials were intercepted and recorded by NSA – as he learned only after transcripts were leaked by the Reagan White House, he says.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:30 | 4298158 spankfish
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Maybe he got an email from the Snowed Inn?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:51 | 4297718 Ying-Yang
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NSA - "Cue up the kiddie porn package launch for Senator Sanders"

"You fucked with the wrong Marine"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:39 | 4297867 Keyser
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And let's not forget Sen Bob Menendez and his trips to the Dominican Republic to diddle underage girls. They had him dead to rights, yet the pedo is still on the Hill. Pathetic.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:57 | 4297896 DaveyJones
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we only spy on the idiots, the drunks and the pedophiles

oh wait 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:03 | 4297919 secured_party-c...
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published 01/25/2013...Whoooaaaa


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:14 | 4298444 cynicalskeptic
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Hell, there are credible rumors that the US invaded Panama to prevent Noriega from using or releasing video of the son of the sitting US President engaged in 'questionable' activity........  that's why a whoel neighborhood was obliderated when Panama's Security Forces HQ was destroyed - couldn't risk that video surviving.

Wonder if that son could have run for Pres - much less been 'elected' (er.... 'annointed' by the Supreme Court) if that had become public? 


I swear that nobody is allowed to run for higher office unless there's sufficient blackmail material available on them to ensure obedience.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 08:15 | 4299394 Moe Howard
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Noriega was Bush the First's CIA asset. He went rogue. Bush used us to take him down and put him in a deep hole.

No need for videos. The "neighborhood" was a tinder box slum, a few tracers and it was bye bye.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:21 | 4297819 Stoploss
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It's the now classic Ron Paul trap.

Works like a charm.

Trap springs soon, stay tuned.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:18 | 4298141 eimcmullin
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The majority of people are aware of this...but what's the fun in commenting on it?

>Sen. Sanders is aware the NSA is spying on Congress. He wrote a letter asking if they were doing so in order to obtain a response which would be on record.

The other comments, the full retard comments, are much more fun

Just saying.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:41 | 4298289 sunaJ
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Are saying that we the public know, Bernie Sanders knows, and congress knows that the NSA is violating, daily, many of our constitutional laws because lawmakers have been able to subvert the consitution by claiming "extraordinary measures," "national emergency," "clear and imminent threat," hiding behind "presidential decree," and you say it is obvious that Sanders is preparing for some much greater consequence to this abrogation?  Okay, I'll buy your argument, but I don't buy your confidence.  If you fully-believe two decades of constitutional violations can be righted by this senator penning a letter, then I don't know what to say, other than that if he is sincere, he has no idea what he is up against.  Even if Sanders thinks he has this Republic's best interest in mind, it does not mean he is not open to manipulation.  I don't care what Sanders writes to Alexander - that is soap opera.  Bring him a thousand times before congress in public hearings - that is the only way to bring it out...but that just doesn't happen, does it?  THAT is what puts him on the record.  For the moment (and perhaps for not much longer), that is all we have to protect us from the circus/circuit - and if you want to be so confident that something is being done, then I suppose you don't have to do anything else and you can graze away in your confidence.  I have seen too many politically conciliatory stories (mind you, that this  easily can be nothing more than this, as Alexander does NOT need to respond, nor does he have to tell the truth), to put the matter at rest.  It is perfectly legitimate in our day to question the motives of our politicians, and that is what I'll do until Sanders can come up with something with a little more teeth than a polite letter to a literal government hack.   It is so obvious they are lying and spying, you say, yet we are playing these rather trite political games of letters to a person that has been "authorized" by his super-secret club of voyeurs to lie?  Why?  I'm sorry, but this smells like ss/dd.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:30 | 4298308 Lost Word
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A book, "Trail of the Octopus", about Pan Am 103,

the author Lester Knox Coleman describes working for the DIA as a spy upon the DEA and CIA in Lebanon and Cyprus. After whistle-blowing about Pan Am 103, linking it to Iranians and Syrians, Coleman was maliciously persecuted and prosecuted by the Federal Government.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:38 | 4298779 SAT 800
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You got a point there, alright. If they would actually spy on Congress and then do something about what they found out, they eliminate a lot of criminal conspiracies before they blossomed.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 01:14 | 4298997 Seer
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Um... no.

They ensure that Congress does just what their campaign contributors paid them to do.  Anyone that looks to work outside the realm of quid-pro-quo is then targeted as a "rogue" (see "Ron Paul").

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 01:11 | 4298685 e2thex
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"You lookin' at ...?"




Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:32 | 4297386 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ 2:21 PM US ET

Tyler Durden just mentioned on Rush Limbaugh's show re stats used for unemployment rate calculations (current U3 does NOT include people dropping out of the labor force).

Sorry, Democrats and liberals, back to your normal programming...  


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:22 | 4297755 Boscovius
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I was listening to Rush on my way home from work when I heard the ZH reference.   Totally blew my mind!  I never thought I'd hear the likes of Limbaugh mentioning ZeroHedge.  It's about time.  To be sure, I have also heard ZH mentioned on local finance programs on talk radio.  Nice to know word is getting out.  

Oh, yeah, I just wanna toss this out there. How is it when the pressitutes are quoting unemployment stats and talk about how many "Discouraged" unemployed who are no longer looking for work.  Hello?  How exactly do they know they are not looking?  Do the discouraged unemployed call in every week and say "Hello, I'm discouraged and not looking for work?"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:28 | 4297978 Beam Me Up Scotty
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I've heard Rush mention ZH before. Glen Beck has talked about ZH as well.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:54 | 4297891 TonyCoitus
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Who is Tyler Durden?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:39 | 4298004 Deacon Frost
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Who indeed

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:58 | 4298074 Zigs
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Even the NSA can't figure it out.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 02:33 | 4299173 The Navigator
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Who is Tyler Durden?

Who is John Galt?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:26 | 4300734 logicalman
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Who is Lynda Green?

Who the fuck am I?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:17 | 4298135 SmackDaddy
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Well, it's been nice knowing you guys.  Learned alot here.  But if Rush's and Glen's retarded fans get on this bus, I'm getting off.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:06 | 4298247 booboo
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uh, yea, they have been here for a while, as has been Huffpo fans, Alex Jones fans, Al Gore fans, that guy named Rachel Maddow and even the retards that get their news from John Stewart and MSNBC. ZH is a big tent but don't let the screen door hit you in the ass on the way out the door.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:00 | 4298400 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1  Yes, ZH is a big playground, plenty of room for everyone.  Those who can't take Fight Club are free to go.  Or STFU! 


Sat, 01/04/2014 - 11:45 | 4299676 jerry_theking_lawler
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Been ready to bolt for awhile....the banner ads is what is causing me heartache. When I open a page, I don't want shit popping up advertising.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 17:19 | 4300229 11b40
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Well, King Lawyer, why don't you do a little "lawerly" research and get yourself an ad bloc program.  Real simple, real fast, real effective.


Cue up the lawyer jokes.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:43 | 4298522 Blame Crash
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@ Smack Daddy

Things are going to bloody hell and you're getting all snotty over what!  You haven't learned nearly enough but take off anyways.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:31 | 4297387 So Close
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It's ok to spy on our citzens but this is where I draw the line!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:37 | 4297994 0b1knob
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Dogs eat Korean.   Now THAT'S IRONIC!!!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 08:21 | 4299399 Moe Howard
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We had a pet St. Benard we rescued from a dog farm on the DMZ as a company pet. A South Korean civilian engineer tried to enter our Company orderly room through the front door where the dog was chained up. The Korean was a dog eater, and I guess he sweated out the "essence of dog" enough for our mascot to smell it. The dog ripped the shirt off his back and he was lucky enough to fall backwards down the stairs beyond the reach of the dog's chain, otherwise he most likely would have been killed.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:03 | 4297520 bh2
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Sen. Sanders may already know the answers to these questions by backchannel communication with Greenwald and is seting up the serial liars at the NSA for a huge (perhaps final) fall.

It is also logical to assume that if NSA are just sweeping up all calls wholesale that they are not specifically filtering out those made by myriad members of the political class.

It would not surprise me, either, if Sanders chatted with Ron Wyden and got a silent head nod that he should send this letter. (Regrettably, Weyden will take over the chair of Bachus' committee if he is politically exiled to China.)


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:54 | 4298056 tip e. canoe
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(1) Snowden is not releasing any documents.   it's part of his asylum deal with Russian a/k/a Putin to not release any more documents.

(2) if anyone would release documents, it would be Greenwald and his crew.

you may want to listen to this before you get your hopes up any further on "Go Away Bitch" GG:

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:21 | 4298457 Seer
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I tend to trust Sibel Edmonds.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:25 | 4297351 Clint Liquor
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The most impressive accomplishment by the current Administration is how they have been able to lie to Congress time and time again, get caught lying, and not even lose their jobs, let alone suffer perjury. Meanwhile, we know what happens to whistleblowers.

Bernie is displaying a new low in Congressional stupidity.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:36 | 4297396 boogerbently
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They are the ONLY ones being spied on.

They are being manipulated by the skeletons in their closets.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:24 | 4298481 Seer
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Clint, is this really any different than, well, ever?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:26 | 4297362 boogerbently
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"Yes, for the safety of all, it's important the NSA........what? Wait a minute, you're spying on US, too!!!!!???"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:34 | 4297389 wee-weed up
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I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again... I did NOT have spying relations with that Senator... Mr Sanders. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you!  -- Gen. William Jefferson Clinton Alexander

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:37 | 4297400 boogerbently
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Bernie Sanders.....the running back for the Lions?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:45 | 4297439 Four chan
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dont besmirch the greatist running back of all times name.


barry sanders in action

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:59 | 4297900 Trucker Glock
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Personally, I think Marcus Allen was the best.  Junk away.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:23 | 4297959 wee-weed up
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Tim Tebow...

Now REALLY junk away!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:58 | 4298826 starfcker
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Four chan, no way. two big gaps in his game. no nose for the goal line, and he was invisible in the playoffs.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:41 | 4297672 ExpendableOne
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Does Obambi do whatever that NSA supplied Blackberry tells him to??

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:46 | 4298794 SAT 800
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Unless it's the Rabbi from the Manhattan Synagogue that the New York Bankers all use; then he does what HE tells him to.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:24 | 4298302 goldinpenguin
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My guess is a denial of spying on US elected officials unless there is a "compelling" security need blahblahblah and then Snowy will roll out his list which will include Bernie because he's a socialist.  The spanners in the works will be when Snowy's list includes Obama admin officials, maybe some former presidents (I figure Jimmy Carter will be on the list because he's sympathetic to the Palestinians so both NSA and Mossad are spying on him intensively)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:11 | 4297299 john39
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if the NSA was really concerned about national security, it would release copies of the transcripts of communications between dual nationals in Congress and the Administration, and their foreign masters...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:24 | 4297346 RaceToTheBottom
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Because citizenship is such a good indicator of loyalties.....  Right.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:51 | 4297449 john39
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'no man can serve two masters'

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:31 | 4297619 Citxmech
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AKA "You can't ride two horses with one ass."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:58 | 4297739 Ying-Yang
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"no man can serve two masters"

With lesbian dominatrixes, you could die trying?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:48 | 4297883 Keyser
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Twin sisters is much better and no nasty rash in the morning. 


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:37 | 4298338 Yes_Questions
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I heart ZH!


best birdwalkers EVER!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:52 | 4297458 BoNeSxxx
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OK you're a moron.

John's point is well intended.  I think he meant to say that "if they cared at all about transparency they would release..."

As we know, they are in the information gathering business and information is a very valuable business... they don't release anything to anyone free... Also, the NSA has precious little to do with National Security.

Free your mind.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:49 | 4297699 EscapeKey
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citizenship means jack shit. and if you're well connected, you can usually transfer yours within the hour.

regardless, i know plenty of people who have multiple citizenships, as it provides options. doesn't mean they're disloyal to the uk.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:33 | 4298496 Seer
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Apparently people are confused about what you're saying (and, as junkers tend to do they junk and run w/o providing any way to carry on a rational discussion).

The FACT that it's legal to hold more than one citizenship means that it's LEGAL.  Those that have a problem with it ought to seek out having the laws changed.

The very notion of nationalism is nauseating.  It's all but a tool to manipulate people (and yet here we are, some of the supposed "smarter" people still clinging to the "USA #1" mentality).

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:49 | 4298802 SAT 800
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I would imagine that the only good indicator of their disloyalty to the UK would be if they were intelligent; or Scottish.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:36 | 4300745 logicalman
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Loyal to a country?

Now there's a stupid idea.

Countries are one of many human management ideas humans would be better off without.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:45 | 4297677 ExpendableOne
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Or just post all the comms traffic between the banks and congress.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:21 | 4297339 FeralSerf
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Maybe Ndesandjo isn't really Barry's kin?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:45 | 4297423 aVileRat
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Starting to think Barry is Jay Gatsby.


Sat, 01/04/2014 - 16:45 | 4300180 Chuck Walla
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Strict controls!?! You mean the Constitution isn't enough? So, these sleaze will cower before the genius of Bernie but not Franklin or Jefferson? Oh vey, the chutzpah!


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:55 | 4297247 Bad Attitude
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What makes Sanders think he and his colleagues are in any way special?

Forward (over the cliff)!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:03 | 4297269 remain calm
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Of coarse they do, you guys are the least trustworthy citizens in the nation. Duh, why don't you ask them if they spy on China, dumb fuck.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:04 | 4297275 Meat Hammer
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General Alexander, are you spying on us?


Sweet.  What's for lunch?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:49 | 4297453 RSloane
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M Hammer got it right. That will be the extent of the conversation.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:00 | 4297266 Husk-Erzulie
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He really is a tard.

Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, and has praised Scandinavian-style social democracy;  he is the first person elected to Congress to identify as a socialist in six decades.

Scandinavian-style social democracy???  = A thin coating of groovy, feel good collectivism over a deep base of fascist, monarchical corporatism, duh.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:43 | 4297419 Husk-Erzulie
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Ha ha.  Don't anyone dare touch that Scandinavian Style Social Democracy copyright registered

The same idiots who have nothing to talk about at a dinner party except movies and television shows are the same ones who will lay treacly platitudes on you about, Scandinavian Style Social Democracy copyright registered,  at the least prompting.  First indicate to me by your conversation that you have read a fucking book in the past decade, then tell me how great that Scandinavian Style Social Democracy copyright registered really is.  This is the same Scandinavian Style Social Democracy copyright registered  that went after Assange for having consensual sex without a condom (gasp).

Take your Scandinavian Style Social Democracy copyright registered  and shove it up your corn-hole with your down votes, idiots.  It's Candy Coated Fascism, and Bernard Sanders is a Candy Coated Fascist.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:19 | 4297559 shovelhead
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But I liked "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo Who Watched Muslims Burn Cars."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:38 | 4297650 Blazed
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In other words Bernie Sanders is just another Kosher Bolshevik, pretending he is doing something profound. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:50 | 4298533 Seer
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Kind of sad that it takes a "socialist" to dare ask such questions is it not?

Where are the other folks, the "non socialists?"

Enough with attacking the messenger...

Do you not find ANY value in ANYONE asking this question (getting it in to the Congressional Record where it cannot be erased)?

I believe the difference with this kind of questioning is that it lumps Congress in with all the rest of the "citizens," after Congress has managed to treat all this as just an issue with the lowly citizens.  I think that it would be fun to get a campaign going in which at every opportunity (real) citizens would ask congresspersons whether they like the NSA spying on them and when they think that the NSA is going to drag out their dirty laundry.

Nothing really changes until the MIC and the banks go down...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 07:33 | 4299364 tip e. canoe
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 think that it would be fun to get a campaign going in which at every opportunity (real) citizens would ask congresspersons whether they like the NSA spying on them and when they think that the NSA is going to drag out their dirty laundry.

brilliant idea seer

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:51 | 4298807 SAT 800
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At this point Scandinavian-style social democracy might be better than our current German style Fascism.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:06 | 4297284 kridkrid
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Certainly a set up for our consumption. Bernie Sanders is owned. If people recall, it was Bernie Sanders who provided the "one-time" audit of the fed as a compromise vs. what should exist which is transparancy and annual audits. They made the audit look bad enough to seem real, but the corporate media didn't really cover it. Now he's positioning himself for a presidential run. He'll have the ability to siphon off enough votes to ensure that the election goes the way it's supposed to go. He'll drop out at some point if he needs to, or will stay in to split a vote. Whatever he's told to do. He's the worst kind of shill... one who provides an appearance of being the opposite. He plays his part well.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:52 | 4297467 Dr. Richard Head
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In all fairness the stock market gun, during the final negotiations of that bill, was held to his head and the hammer of that proverbial gun clicked backwards with each downward tick of the stock market.  But again it just confirms the fact that this Sanders fella, as with the rest of the stinking lott, are bought and paid for.

Carry on...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:52 | 4298542 Seer
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Who the fuck isn't "owned?"  And for those people, why aren't THEY writing such letters?

This forces shit into the Congressional Record and shines a light on it.  Of course govt ain't going to change (empires blow up, they don't cede their power).  At least we've got a chance to watch all those fuckers squirm.  See my above comment about a "fun" campaign...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 17:54 | 4300273 11b40
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First, if you actually do a little digging into Bernie's history, you will see that he has been poking sticks in the eye of the establishment all of his life.  You think is is easy working to effect change from the inside?  You think he doesn't need a tough hide and some pretty good chops to be the longest serving Independent member of Congress in America's history?  

Second, the man has priciples and he has balls....more than I can say for many of the posters slobbering like Pavlov's dogs at the mention of the word 'Socialist'.  He has been fighting for what he believes in, regardless of it being popular or safe, for a long, long time.

Third, in the example of him being "owned" because of the ineffctivness of the Fed audit, what exactly does he have to do with MSM coverge?  You do what you can, but at the end of the day, you have to move on to the next fight.  At least he keeps on fighting.  You really think a full, transparent aufit of the Fed was going to happen in this Congress?  Ron Paul was chairman of the Finance Committee, and he couldn't get it done.

Fourth, none of us really knows his motives, or what comes next, but we should at least be thankful some Congress critter is keeping the flames fanned.  Hell, I'm just a red-neck country bumpkin who still believes in the promise of America.  If it takes being rescued by the likes of a 'Socialist', then all I can say is "thank you, Mr. Sanders".  We need a whole lot more Independents in Congress and throughout the government.  I am sick of hearing a lot of America first slogans and war-mongering chest thumping from the doucebags we have now.  I would gladly vote for Sanders over the human feces we send to Congress from my state.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:13 | 4297312 tip e. canoe
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exactly.   and it's not even the right question to ask.    considering that "constitutionality" will most likely be decided by Johnny & the Supremes, that's who should be directly referenced, not Bernie & his fellow sleazeballs who turnt a blind eye as it was being developed right under their noses.

it should also be asked in LIVE TESTIMONY, so that the public can view HOW Alexander answers the question in body language over just straight written legalese, vetted by an army of lawyers.

of course for this tactic to work, it needs a surprise element, something that is now virtually impossible, thanks to Bernie's limpdick letter.

nice one Bernie...shithead.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:59 | 4298560 Seer
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"it should also be asked in LIVE TESTIMONY"

And that would happen when?

Either something can be done or it cannot.  People are all to ready to point out that Sanders is an idiot and has failed, but then they also say that Congress and the govt is fucked and that nothing is going to happen.  It's borderline party pussy shit...

I'd stated it as a fact (though I didn't use the word "fact), and I might have been premature about it, so... can anyone say whether a letter like this automatically ends up in the Congressional Record or whether it has to be introduced during a hearing (or session)?

If folks in Congress are being spied on by the NSA then it's pretty certain that most of the 1%-ers are also being spied on.  Lots of folks are going to get nervous here...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 08:26 | 4299387 tip e. canoe
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not sure if that letter and its response goes into the Congressional Record.    my instinct says not, but. like you, i'm  just shooting in the dark with a blindfold on this one.

regardless, that response is going to be crafted, NOT BY ALEXANDER HIMSELF, but by the NSA legal squad who are all in their positions because they've mastered the art of using weasel words (a/k/a legalese) to neither admit or deny anything.   they probably got this shit down to boilerplate at this point.   and it's going to be so wrapped up in arcana that it will be endlessly dissected & argued amongst the pundits to the ridiculous point where everyone's eyes (except for those who are already obsessed) will gloss over it.

conversely, if someone were to drop this question OUT OF THE BLUE ON CAMERA UNDER OATH (we already know the oath part is bullshit, but for many in this country it still holds meaning). then Alexander wouldn't have the time to hide behind his lawyers and have endless amounts of strategy meetings in the privacy of his bunker to craft a response.   he would be immediately exposed, and even if he were to lie, most people (regardless of their "intelligence" level) would instinctively know that he was lying.

but that will never happen now, as Alexander will be fully prepped on how to answer covertly enough to avoid getting cornered during testimony.    all thanks to Bernie the useful idiot.

and no, my opinion of him has nothing to do with his "socialism", other than the fact that the bleeding hearts always seem to make tactical mistakes like this to shoot themselves in their own foot (and fuck over everyone else in their camp due to their naivety in the art of war).   don't forget who you're dealing with here and what they have spent their lives studying.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:48 | 4297704 Johnny Cocknballs
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So by your logic, no one should ask the NSA any questions, eh?

Do you work for the NSA? 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:49 | 4298811 SAT 800
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We ALL work for the NSA. Ding.

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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:01 | 4298564 Seer
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Fucking ideological drama queen...

I don't fucking care if Satan himself asked the fucking question.  And, really, where are all the non-socialist congress members asking the questions?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:50 | 4298817 Seer
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Down-arrowed by someone who cannot look themselves in the mirror.  Hypocrites!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:24 | 4297821 kchrisc
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"What if they say no?  Is there any way that he can verify that?  Of course not."

Take the NSA's answer and divide it by zero. There's your verification.

I also use this same method on statements by pols, crats and banksters. Works 100% of the time, "guaranteed."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:01 | 4298570 Seer
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But!  The kicker here is that all the 1%-ers are going to have to realize that they're being spied on too.  None of them give a shit about the common man, but this kind of thing slaps the question right in front of them such that they'll have to be watching their backs, watching for competition suddenly getting a big advantage.  Years ago I'd stated that it'll come down to a Clash of the Titans scenario; this kind of thing gives ammo to such a scenario.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:16 | 4297941 Rafferty
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Just throwing public shapes.  He knows they do.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:01 | 4298399 TaperProof
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He should just openly call for abolishing the NSA.. grow a pair commie.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:05 | 4298411 akak
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In other news, the Pope asked a bear if he shits in the woods, and the bear asked the Pope if he is Catholic.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:00 | 4298567 putaipan
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blame hoover.


you guys never did my linkys. in this case your loss. get a little history on the subject-

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 02:08 | 4299123 Enkidu
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He's just standing up and being counted... nothing changes anything when you have a fascist government. As it raises giggles at his impotency some thoughtful citizens will ask questions... Well done Bernie, well done...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:03 | 4297282 indygo55
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I dont think he is that stupid. He probably wants their response on the record for something down the road should the need arise.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:24 | 4297591 N2OJoe
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He's an out-of-the-closet Socialist, that makes him pretty stupid. Moreso than all the in-the-closet variety filling the other 533 seats in CONgress.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:34 | 4298625 Seer
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How comments like yours differ from all the petty social gosiping kind if shit I don't know.

Fine, I get it that there are people out there who hate "socialists," and good.  But there's a matter of trying to carry on a discussion over tactics, tactics that folks OTHER than "socialists" might be able to lever off of.  But, no, we've got to toss out anything that could have ever been spoken/written by a "socialist."



It's no surprise to me why things are fucked up when I see so many comments like yours: pointless, and empty, but, by god, he's "one of us because he said he hates 'socialists'"

Next piece of worthless gossip...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:41 | 4300762 logicalman
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The term 'socialist' is thrown about here mostly by people who have no concept of the meaning of the word.

Mercuns have been propagandized to fear it and therefore, not think about what it really means.

I'm not a huge fan myself, but come on guys, THINK!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 16:39 | 4300174 Chuck Walla
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We'll duh! Bernie, yer shur so smart fer a socialista, dude!


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:45 | 4297196 Joe Davola
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"hey, my appropriations vote can be had for some info on the bad guys from the other side"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 14:56 | 4297210 TruthInSunshine
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U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.):          “Has the NSA spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?”

Gen. Keith Alexander, NSA Director:      "No."

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.):          “Thank you. And an obligatory thank you for your service."


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:12 | 4297321 ronaldawg
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Why doesn't everyone take the letter at it's face value for now.  And see what the response is?

I'm no socialist supporter but this seems to be a GOOD thing that some elected representatives are asking questions.  You know like they're supposed to.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:17 | 4297337 I Am Not a Copp...
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Because we can't take ANYTHING an elected official says at face value, that's why.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 15:43 | 4297430 ronaldawg
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Noted - but look what a valuable public service that Snowden has provided.  We are actually getting questions to the NSA that we might actually get a response on.   I really think we are living in a new world since the Snowden revelations.

Next thing to crack this the Drive-by media stranglehold on information - I want to see the press as it was during Reagan - shouting questions and demanding answers.  Someone in the media is going to do their job eventually.  Check out Glen Greenwald going off on CNN and the Washington Post reporter yesterday.

I personally want to see full public hearings on all aspects of the NSA spying since 9/11/2001 - No Mike Rodgers closed door hearing bullshit.

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