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Senator Bernie Sanders Asks NSA If It Spies On Congress
The real life magic-mushroom, banana dictatorship envisioned by George Orwell just went full retard.
From VT Senator Bernie Sanders:
U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today asked the National Security Agency director whether the agency has monitored the phone calls, emails and Internet traffic of members of Congress and other elected officials.
“Has the NSA spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?” Sanders asked in a letter to Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA director. “Spying” would include gathering metadata on calls made from official or personal phones, content from websites visited or emails sent, or collecting any other data from a third party not made available to the general public in the regular course of business?”
Sanders said he was “deeply concerned” by revelations that American intelligence agencies harvested records of phone calls, emails and web activity by millions of innocent Americans without any reason to even suspect involvement in illegal activities. He also cited reports that the United States eavesdropped on the leaders of Germany, Mexico, Brazil and other allies.
Sanders emphasized that the United States “must be vigilant and aggressive in protecting the American people from the very real danger of terrorist attacks,” but he cited U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon’s recent ruling that indiscriminate dragnets by the NSA were probably unconstitutional and “almost Orwellian.”
Sanders has introduced legislation to put strict limits on sweeping powers used by the National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation to secretly track telephone calls by millions of innocent Americans who are not suspected of any wrongdoing.
The measure would put limits on records that may be searched. Authorities would be required to establish a reasonable suspicion, based on specific information, in order to secure court approval to monitor business records related to a specific terrorism suspect. Sanders’ bill also would put an end to open-ended court orders that have resulted in wholesale data mining by the NSA and FBI. Instead, the government would be required to provide reasonable suspicion to justify searches for each record or document that it wants to examine.
Uhm... yes?
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members of the tribe.
Do law breakers snitch on other law breakers ?
Only to save their own necks when things get serious.
I, for one, wish Sanders much success is his sincere quest as a keen seeker for that which is obvious. Perhaps we could all help him by collectively yelling, "Of course they snoop on you, dipshit."
This isn't actually a stupid question, in fact it's a critical link in shutting the NSA down. While we all know the answer, consider this:
If the NSA says no, and then is proven to be lying (which they will be) they've literally lost all claims on legitimacy and self-regulation, and moreover, congressional oversight can be escalated to a degree that can kill most of the illegitimate programs.
If the NSA says yes, then they're admiting to violating their charter (remember, no US spying ha ha) and gravely overstepping their bounds, plus violating the separation of power. Again, congressional oversight can be escalated.
The question here isn't what Bernie is asking -- but who is he asking it for. If it's just for himself, this means nothing. However...
It is entirely possible what is happening behind the scenes is that enough blackmailed congressmen have had enough and gotten together to fuck the NSA up -- which is to be expected. It's sort of like that scene in Batman where a low-level employee figures out Bruce Wayne's secret identity and tries to extort Wayne Enterprises, and the stupidity of a smaller player moving against a big one is pointed out to him. The geeks at the NSA may be listening and have a big file of secrets, but when they're collectively threatening the people who control their pay and very existence, they may learn what politics is really like.
Imagine if you've been in the house or senate and had NSA-obtained secrets used to manipulate you for years -- and Snowden comes along and offers an escape and lets you get vengence -- you take the opportunity.
I sure hope you are right and they are about fed up, but something tells me they aren't yet. Alexander has already been caught lying to congress......and he's still there to take questions like this.
Besides this being forced Kabuki from blackmailed actors, your scenario is about the only one I can see where this is legit. It would be great. They are so captured by so many monied interests, who are, in turn captured by the NSA, that I doubt it.
I think you have found it, Seek.
If you are right my hats off to you, but I am now and will always remain skeptical of anybody in the federal government.
The FBI got caught 100's of times spying on every political in the USA, and the FBI never got shutdown.
Think about history? When in the USA has an agency ever been shutdown?
Even today the news is "Fannie/Freddie TOO PROFITABLE TO SHUTDOWN"
NSA is the most profiable OP in world history, DEA and IRS and everybody is already a client to their service.
'SEEK' you write well, and your a cool dude, but its NEVER going to happen, the NSA has been legitimized and SNOWDEN was all SHOW. He will be pardoned and the NSA will now go into the limelight, and every kid in the USA will feel HONOR to say "MY PA is NSA"... This show is a setup, to make everyone feel good about have a CAM up their ass.
seek - this is my last post here. i keep saying it, i don't make resolutions, but this is it.
what truly amazes me is how important it is for relatively intelligent beings, to need to refer to instances that they 'saw' in popular media, t.v. or film, in order to explain their ideas or feelings.
this is the biggest part of the problem. haven't you had any experiences in life, other than sitting jaw-dropped, glass-eyed in awe of bat man? can't you or the others explain yourself without reference to popular medium?
and this - this is why they have us all by the balls. because you think you can eat at mcdonald's and not get obese. and you think you can spend time in front of the idiot-box and not become an idiot. i have known plenty of junkies (no, i do not need to make a movie reference) who thought they could 'handle' heroin, and not get addicted.
good luck with all that. turn off the t.v. and free your mind. hollywood is much easier after. i know that you think you have all the answers. including bit-coins. i do have the answer. - i just gave it to you for free. turn off t.v. - you'll stop craving coke and mcdonalds and nikes and all the crap (including bit-coins) that are shiny objects meant to suck in suckers like you, and convince you, that since you are consuming them, you are a winner.
TV is OK, just get a DVR with a 30 sec skip and flush the ads.
Just like AdBlock Plus for FF.
Watch what you want when you want.
All that noise gone, gone, gone.
the medium is the message and the ads are only one piece of the puzzle.
Dead on.
Got rid of TV in 1999.
I don't invite lying, manipulative people into my home.
Why the fuck, then, would I have a television.
Get out into the world and look closely at EVERYTHING - The closer you look, the more amazing it becomes - more amazing than you can imagine.
Be fit in mind and body and enjoy the ride.
Congressional oversight??
Are you fucking serious??
They used to but after the darpa ultrarobotic bear poop catchers were installed they got freaked out and just use truckstop toliets nowaday... (now you know why they look like that)
I hope the Congressman does not go out during deer hunting season.
Not a big fan, but as I've said before, I give NSA neither explicit nor implicit consent to monitor my being.
Wasn't the so called Patriot Act presented with an expiration date in order to get it through - kinda like "we just need this temporarily until we eliminate all the 'bad guys'"?
How's that workin out for us..........
there's nothing as permanent as a temporary government program or tax
Yeah, temporary, like Income Tax !
Just like taxes.
More vaseline please.
Why the f*ck send it to him? Alexander's saw it before it hit the envelope.
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You are an evil bastard! I love it. I'm leaning against my wall PMPL!
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a quote from a real Senator
Church on NSA in 1975:
“I don’t want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.”
Perhaps the name of that abyss is Totalitarianism.
Okay, isnt this echelon failure? The idea folks like us and others are talking of such concepts with real evidence to back us up is ridiculous. How many rings of enclaves fell to get to this point? Smaller government does lead to less witnesses to the smothering of freedom.. I want every family in america to have at least one civil servant working in government. I dont care what they do as long as they keep "them"
from taking anything that "They"
shouldn't. ..
they sure are bernie! and guess what? they found out your a filthy socialist. wait'll the cuntry hears they have an avowed socialist in their .gov. imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth!
oh wait, what?
Terrorism. It's a catch all phrase. It means the bogeyman. It is something to frighten wayward children.
Raise the fear, and tighten control. How old is this story? As old as civilization. Older.
More Americans died last year in lawnmower accidents than due to terrorists, worldwide.
HIV in NYC killed over 200 times more than homicides w/ a rifle in NYS in 2012. Normalize for the State / City population, and that's over 400 times.
NYS legalizes gay marriage, disarms the populace.
Those in power are extremely paranoid now.
Nothing against people's personal choices.
But Personal choices should be just that, not state sponsored manipulation.
Terrorism is a tactic, only when they invented the TSA did terrorism become an entity.
WE MUSt STOP TERRORISM.
too bad our own governmnet terrorizes civilians around the world with Drones killing wedding parties and children and the NSA spying on the entire globe.
We are the monster we fight.
We are lost if we continue on the path we now travel. America is being suicided by the power structure. Why would that be?
Who gains from such a deed?
I was listening to the radio-Rush just credited Tyler Durden as one of the only ones busting the recovery/employment #s.
I think hell is cooling...
Reader, Rush credits this site a lot. As he should because it's a good site. But note that you'll never hear a word of this place from the Left.
would Rush be mentioning ZH if Mccain or Mittens were sitting in the WH?
me thinks not...........
its all divide and conquer
Rush is 100% MSM-AIPAC, if RUSH is talking up ZH, then you know they have the AIPAC-SEAL of approval.
Enough Said, but nothing new, move along. AIPAC, BIS, IMF ... ZH all part of operation mindfuck.
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I see this a lot lately here on ZH, talking themselves up cuz they get noticed by the MSM, its like they (tylers) need proof in their own minds of their relevancy, ...
If you need the likes of RUSH LIMBAUGH to validate your 'good work', then you are a really fucked up human being.
"I see this a lot lately here on ZH ..."
Really? You've been a member for just over a week ...
It only takes a few minutes here on ZH to realize that the vast majority are pavlovian RINO's, hell why else do they brown nose RON PAUL, a RINO,
Here's some news that should be posted today by Ralph Nader, about BUSH, you know the twisted little cocaine whore shrub that was prez before OREO.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ralph-nader/letter-to-george-w-bush_b_4537...
Don't get me wrong the PUG's suck dick, the DEM's eat shit, if you have ever held public office in america the smell of brown nosing shit stay's with you forever.
Nader is the man! he should get a column here at the hedge...
the last person i voted for in the 2004 presidential race, which coincidentally happens to be my last vote casted in a us presidential election...
awesome letter. the p.s. is the icing on the cake.
P.S. I am enclosing as a contribution in kind to your presidential center library the bookRogue Nation: American Unilateralism and the Failure of Good Intentions by Clyde Prestowitz (2003) whom I'm sure you know. Note the positive remark on the back cover by General Wesley Clark.
regardless of one's chosen political philosophy, Nader should be emulated for his muckracking, even if he has the tendency to get on your nerves (which is precisely the fucking point).
if Bernie is even genuine in his quest, he needs to take a refresher course from Ralph.
Interesting, thanks. I did not know that fat, child molesting, drug addict even knew who Tyler was.
STFU.... CNBC boy....
And all of you have a family member or friend you wish was in government right now... and all that pay is small insurance to keep america local and in our control...
Well let's see J Edna was given a lifetime gig for his "intelligence" on members of the political class so WTF do you think Bernie!!
Bernie expects us to believe government psychopaths tell the truth. The bigger danger with the NSA is not what they truthfully blackmail with, but that which they could plant as "evidence" to destroy any opposition. At Stalin's show trials, the surveillance evidence was false, but the enemies were executed. http://www.trotsky.net/trotsky_year/moscow_trials.html
How would you prove the negative of what the government or the NSA said, you said or had on your computer?
The Limbaugh theorem is in effect here. Sanders asks the NSA what's going on when he should be asking Obama what's going on. Because Obama, who is currently in control of all of this, has worked very hard not to leave his fingerprints on anything.
If Bernie Sanders understood free-markets and governments, he would recommend deregulating any technologies and services that empower the people to fight back, but instead he recommends the government better regulate the NSA.
However, Bernie Sanders is a self-proclained socialist and a Democrat (who now runs as an independent). How is it that the party that says it wants to empower the little guy is the party that wants to disarm the little guy?
Future, good point. Sanders is typical of what's been wrong with this nation for a while. A government out of control and government officials insisting the solution is more government.
How about just defunding the NSA instead of giving it hundreds of billions printed out of thin air?
http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html
Public Papers of the Presidents, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1960, p. 1035- 1040
My fellow Americans:
Three days from now, after half a century in the service of our country, I shall lay down the responsibilities of office as, in traditional and solemn ceremony, the authority of the Presidency is vested in my successor.
This evening I come to you with a message of leave-taking and farewell, and to share a few final thoughts with you, my countrymen.
Like every other citizen, I wish the new President, and all who will labor with him, Godspeed. I pray that the coming years will be blessed with peace and prosperity for all.
Our people expect their President and the Congress to find essential agreement on issues of great moment, the wise resolution of which will better shape the future of the Nation.
My own relations with the Congress, which began on a remote and tenuous basis when, long ago, a member of the Senate appointed me to West Point, have since ranged to the intimate during the war and immediate post-war period, and, finally, to the mutually interdependent during these past eight years.
In this final relationship, the Congress and the Administration have, on most vital issues, cooperated well, to serve the national good rather than mere partisanship, and so have assured that the business of the Nation should go forward. So, my official relationship with the Congress ends in a feeling, on my part, of gratitude that we have been able to do so much together.
II.
We now stand ten years past the midpoint of a century that has witnessed four major wars among great nations. Three of these involved our own country. Despite these holocausts America is today the strongest, the most influential and most productive nation in the world. Understandably proud of this pre-eminence, we yet realize that America's leadership and prestige depend, not merely upon our unmatched material progress, riches and military strength, but on how we use our power in the interests of world peace and human betterment.
III.
Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.
Progress toward these noble goals is persistently threatened by the conflict now engulfing the world. It commands our whole attention, absorbs our very beings. We face a hostile ideology -- global in scope, atheistic in character, ruthless in purpose, and insidious in method. Unhappily the danger is poses promises to be of indefinite duration. To meet it successfully, there is called for, not so much the emotional and transitory sacrifices of crisis, but rather those which enable us to carry forward steadily, surely, and without complaint the burdens of a prolonged and complex struggle -- with liberty the stake. Only thus shall we remain, despite every provocation, on our charted course toward permanent peace and human betterment.
Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research -- these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs -- balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage -- balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.
The record of many decades stands as proof that our people and their government have, in the main, understood these truths and have responded to them well, in the face of stress and threat. But threats, new in kind or degree, constantly arise. I mention two only.
IV.
A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction.
Our military organization today bears little relation to that known by any of my predecessors in peacetime, or indeed by the fighting men of World War II or Korea.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations.
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.
In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.
Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.
The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present
Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientifictechnological elite.
It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system -- ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.
V.
Another factor in maintaining balance involves the element of time. As we peer into society's future, we -- you and I, and our government -- must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.
VI.
Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect.
Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength. That table, though scarred by many past frustrations, cannot be abandoned for the certain agony of the battlefield.
Disarmament, with mutual honor and confidence, is a continuing imperative. Together we must learn how to compose differences, not with arms, but with intellect and decent purpose. Because this need is so sharp and apparent I confess that I lay down my official responsibilities in this field with a definite sense of disappointment. As one who has witnessed the horror and the lingering sadness of war -- as one who knows that another war could utterly destroy this civilization which has been so slowly and painfully built over thousands of years -- I wish I could say tonight that a lasting peace is in sight.
Happily, I can say that war has been avoided. Steady progress toward our ultimate goal has been made. But, so much remains to be done. As a private citizen, I shall never cease to do what little I can to help the world advance along that road.
VII.
So -- in this my last good night to you as your President -- I thank you for the many opportunities you have given me for public service in war and peace. I trust that in that service you find some things worthy; as for the rest of it, I know you will find ways to improve performance in the future.
You and I -- my fellow citizens -- need to be strong in our faith that all nations, under God, will reach the goal of peace with justice. May we be ever unswerving in devotion to principle, confident but humble with power, diligent in pursuit of the Nation's great goals.
To all the peoples of the world, I once more give expression to America's prayerful and continuing aspiration:
We pray that peoples of all faiths, all races, all nations, may have their great human needs satisfied; that those now denied opportunity shall come to enjoy it to the full; that all who yearn for freedom may experience its spiritual blessings; that those who have freedom will understand, also, its heavy responsibilities; that all who are insensitive to the needs of others will learn charity; that the scourges of poverty, disease and ignorance will be made to disappear from the earth, and that, in the goodness of time, all peoples will come to live together in a peace guaranteed by the binding force of mutual respect and love.
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gahL5j4ack
Basically the same thing as Wilson's later apparent contrition for bringing us the Fed, and getting us into a world war after running on a platform of not doing just that... but Wilson got a suitcase full of money, literally, and from more or less the same folks, and that helped change his mind....
Ike was a big part of creating the monster he later warned us about. Killed one or two POWs, too, it seems, and engaged in a little ethnic cleansing, but hey... great speech.
Sometimes you have to step in shit before you realize you are surrounded by it.
I think Ike was fairly honorable, though he did participate in breaking up the bonus marchers on washington DC in the 30's
I think he had to be immersed in the military industrial complex for his entire career before it dawned on him what the true nature of the beast was. Perhaps he became president soley so he could deliver that speech with imputiny?
It is a good speech and Ike did lead the Allies to victory, and maybe he realized the bankers and corporations financed and enabled both the Allies and the Axis. Maybe the war made him aware and the presidency was his means to make the rest of the world aware.
one man can only do so much, Ike did quite a bit in a quiet way, they never felt the knife until he pulled it out.
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Immanuel Kant
Perpetual Peace: A Philosophical Sketch
1795
SECTION I
CONTAINING THE PRELIMINARY ARTICLES FOR PERPETUAL PEACE AMONG STATES
1. "No Treaty of Peace Shall Be Held Valid in Which There Is Tacitly Reserved Matter for a Future War"...
2. "No Independent States, Large or Small, Shall Come under the Dominion of Another State by Inheritance, Exchange, Purchase, or Donation"...
3. "Standing Armies (miles perpetuus) Shall in Time Be Totally Abolished"...
4. "National Debts Shall Not Be Contracted with a View to the External Friction of States"...
5. "No State Shall by Force Interfere with the Constitution or Government of Another State"
6. "No State Shall, during War, Permit Such Acts of Hostility Which Would Make Mutual Confidence in the Subsequent Peace Impossible: Such Are the Employment of Assassins (percussores), Poisoners (venefici), Breach of Capitulation, and Incitement to Treason (perduellio) in the Opposing State"...
It follows that a war of extermination, in which the destruction of both parties and of all justice can result, would permit perpetual peace only in the vast burial ground of the human race. Therefore, such a war and the use of all means leading to it must be absolutely forbidden. But that the means cited do inevitably lead to it is clear from the fact that these infernal arts, vile in themselves, when once used would not long be confined to the sphere of war.
Take, for instance, the use of spies (uti exploratoribus). In this, one employs the infamy of others (which can never be entirely eradicated) only to encourage its persistence even into the state of peace, to the undoing of the very spirit of peace...
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https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/kant/kant1.htm
MOAR WAR BITCHEZ!
+1 for channeling kant.
was that snark re: "moar war bitchez"?
Only an emulation of policy shaped by an out of control military-industrial complex.
so, not going to war in syria didn't mark a trend change?
maybe i'm too optimistic of humanity.
edit: oh fuck, i forgot africa is back on...
alright, optimism fades...
Forget Africa. We are so deep in this shit you would even know were to start. Just because one proxy war didn't blow up does not mean we moving out of the 700 overseas bases we occupy. At Status Quo the United States will never stop occupying foreign land. Then our little MiniPeace got 11 aircraft carrier Battlegroups. Then we got the CIA fucking around in every single county on the damn planet. Then we got nukes. We got classified first strike capabilities nobodies ever heard of. I'm sure we got entire divisions of black-op forces.
DoD will never be shut down through political will. Nobodies going to take it down.
Here's how it really work:
you can find the appendix in this version
http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Fti...
1. Fac et excusa. Seize the opportunity that is favourable for taking into your own possession what is either a right of the State over the people, or over a neighbouring State; and the justification of the act will be much more easily and gracefully presented after the fact so as to palliate its violence. This holds especially in the first case, where the supreme power in the State is also the legislative authority which must be obeyed without reasoning about it, as it is not held that it is desirable to think out convincing reasons first and then to await the counter reasons afterwards. This very hardihood gives a certain appearance of internal conviction of the rightfulness of the act, and the divinity of success (bonus eventus) becomes then the best advocate of the cause.
2. Si fecisti, nega. What you may have wrongly done yourself, such as may even bring the people to despair and to rebellion, should be denied as being any fault of yours; and, on the other hand, assert that it was owing to the refractoriness of the subjects; or, in the case of an aggression upon a neighbouring State, say that it was the fault of human nature; for, if others are not anticipated by violence, we may safely calculate that they will anticipate us and appropriate what is ours.
3. Divide et impera. That is to say, there are certain privileged heads among the people who have chosen you merely for their sovereign as primus inter pares. See, then, that you embroil them with each other and put them at variance with the people; next, work upon the latter by holding out the prospect of greater liberty; and everything will then depend upon your absolute will. Or again, if it be a question about other States, then exciting of suspicion and disagreement among them, is a pretty safe means of subjecting them to yourself, one after the other, under the pretence of assisting the weaker.
We all know by now the extent to which our Constitutional Rights have been and are being violated. General Warrants have made this all possible and again as we know General Warrants are disallowed by our Fourth Amendment specifically By Madison who made comparison to "Writs of Assistance" passed by the british.
This is already a known, definite yes.
Search for interviews with former NSA high-up Russel Tice with radio host Peter B Collins. He says outright that he had orders in hand to tap communications of then senator barry obama, now sitting supreme court justices and more.
Guess why Cheif Justice Roberts voted "Yea" for the Constitutiobality of Obamacare.... must of caught in a tight fitting Lassie suit.
So, if I understand the conspiracy theories correctly, the NSA spied on our leaders and blackmailed them into supporting their requests, lest they release damaging information about them to the pubic.
Obviously, what we need to do is elect more perverts to office. Elect outright perverts, unrepentent sinners, open wife-swappers, bondage leather dragqueens, and pretty much the most extreme people you can find-they got nuthin' to hide and nuthin' to fear at that point.
Southern Senator- "Awh, Senatah Piercenipple Plugbutt, is it true you en-gaged in crawck smokin' while drunk and hahred underage hookers?"
Sen. Plugbutt- "Yep, What of it? You wanna join me?"
Public- "4 more years! 4 more years!"
Really funny. New York City could have elected mayor Piercenipple Plugbutt but they chose Chairman Mao instead. Have fun with that bitchez...
all the theorizing in the world will
not alter the conspiracy one bit.
red pill today?
born on the red pill -
bayou
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Creedence Clearwater Revival - Born On The Bayou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIjUY3pjN8E
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my papa said son.....
rob ford is leading that fight...
yep, that mayor of toronto seems to have an uncanny resemblence to chris farley.
Concealed carry fee for the new constitutional right in the lovely state of Illinois. 150 dollars for five years. I believe you need to pass a state certified course as well but haven't heard yet what those fees involve. I guess we could be Canada where individuals can't own hand guns. America,,, glad I met ya,,,,
"Concealed carry fee for the new constitutional right in the lovely state of Illinois. 150 dollars for five years."
Stupid laws are why I just passed on a job in Illinois, and why I pass on jobs in most states such as California and New York. I often will explain to recruiters that I will have to pass after discovereing that their state is in the bottom half of this freedom index. I send them the link.
In the People's Republic of Massachusetts it requires a $150 course, $100 application submittal fee at local PD, 2 references, full fingerprinting, and state police background check that takes 10-12 weeks. Permit is good for 6 years.
Unfortunately, you left out the Big One. You need the approval of the chief of police in your town. That means the police can deny your permit on their whim.
Not according to the Supreme Court - not that it will necessarily matter in practice.
Well, Senator I will answer that by asking if you want some choice photos of Lindsey Graham with his dick in a Congressional Page's rectum.....
(A shout out to Lindsey, Thanks for voting on those defense bill authorizations )
Of course it does. It spies on Obama too.
Sanders the Socialist: "hey look, a UFO"
This is disinformation, copying a letter to bureaucrats to the public is all show, hey Berny, why not ask in an open hearing under oath?
And why not ask in that same public forum what is the NSA "protocol" when it captures the communications of Congress and their staffers engaging in criminal activities?
Will the police state preclude a corrupt government?
Uh no.
Cant we just have a good accounting of who is not doing their job and why the folks tasked to watch them let it happen...etc...etc.. it starts and ends with the "voters" but there has to be accountable civil servants and public professionals at some bulwark or is this a full on general retreat?... yes/no
We have to remake all of the works of man every time we need to reset a system ...yes/no?
They only spy on people who use computers, telephones, banks, credit cards, drive cars, or do things online.
Only that small group of people.
NSA has a new directive to Collect SHIT; People go off grid, but they can never quit shitting,
The Al-Queda is already advising their 'sleepers' to shit in a bucket and dump the contents in the yard,...
Well the NSA doman just got bigger yesterday, they're now been given access to america's sewage treatment water, albeit for cooling, but you can be sure they'll be tracking DNA,
Know what people eat, and what people are where, trial run's now, study family's
Sewage is 'public' just like garbage its not secret,...
NSA to have new collective devices at all sewage treatment plants in time they can move upstream as device's become smaller.
Eventually everybody will have a microchip sending the NSA info about our blood 24/7,...
Biggest bunch of asshole, treasonous terrorists are on the Hill. Only a dumbfuck doesn't know this.
It's about the money!
So thats one vote for full retreat then?
Why Bernie, you got something to hide? Just call Chalky up in Hawaii, I'm sure between golf and snorkeling he will get back to you. He has fucking lied to you about everything else, why would he start to tell the truth now. WTF, what a bunch of retards.
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Galloping Gallipolli medal to all then!! We are running at top speed away from "battle" in a full rearward charge....go team coward!
dear honorable mr. sanders,
of course you know we spy on all known
and suspected terrorist and financial criminals
and that certainly includes all congress
persons and their families, associates and covens.
thank you for your
inquiry. all data is available for a price
but cannot be sold with any exclusionary
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Yes, of course they do. Your owners are watching you! But don't worry, they only use the information for political purposes.
I do not care what party Sanders is part of! If he dares put the NSA on the spot where they must answer, then good for him. You might ask yourself this, before ranting on about Sander' politics, "Why have no other congressmen already asked that question?" Now, think about that before pissing all over Sanders for being the only one willing to ask. Party politics, jesus christ some people really 'get off' on it.
Sanders, asked, now we await the answer. Mr. Snowden sits under FSB protection and under the protection of Russian air defense missiles, IF NSA now lies to cognress, then Snowden can fucking crush the liar motherfuckers.
I think, the people drunk on American party politics should wake up. They are all one party. Even Sanders sucks up to most of what the corporate and military want. He is a socialist, yes, and so fucking luke warm, he would have been called a moderate republican 50 years ago.
Again, ask yourself why No One Else dared present this question into the public record for NSA to answer. They are sweating their balls off right now. No other Republican dared ask this, No Democrate dared ask this. WHY? Fucking cowards. Sanders may soon die of a rapid disease or accident.
Jack, dude, you ask the right questions but you and I see a different answer.
They only just now ask it because they finally have a script that they can agree on.
Ron Wyden has been asking the question all along, ...
Yep, I agree the 'script' is just about done,
Here's, my guess,
1.) NSA spying is now legit
2.) They'll pardon snowden
3.) They'll apologize for spying on US congress, but that don't mean shit, as we know
4.) The NSA will continue to grow, because it provides the 'intelligence' to keep the USD in currency reserve, .e.g. selective targetting kills as needed, for USA hegemony.
5.) Given now that a million people are on the payroll one way or another, it just plain became too expensive to keep the bitch secret ( no such agency ... nsa ); When I say 1M, consider I feel GOOGLE,FB,APPLE,MICROSOFT,CISCO...are all part of the same TEAM.
6.) They will aplogize to the world in order to save USA technology.
I could go on but I think you get the picture, as most of us know, this SNOWDEN show from day one was orchestrated, the kid was scripted all too well, as the MAESTRO said long ago "When you hear or see an orchestra look for a conductor.
The only reasons they would pardon Snowden is a) they are scared shitless of what other damning information he has in his possession and b) they are certain they can't get to him and kill him. Snowden would be a fool to accept a pardon and return to the USA. He would likely have an "acvident" shortly after his return.
The whole thing is scripted, huh? Snowden has been acting out a script, huh? Truly a vast middle-wing conspiracy. Many thousands of players in on it, all performing their parts of an amazingly complex, not to mention insanely contrived, script.
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@satoshi101
you have posted some interesting comments/observations.
however re Ed Snowden;
implausible that Ed would take sanctuary in russia if your scenario panned out.
Jack you have to ask yourself why Mr. Sanders expects an honest answer from the admitted liar Keith Alexander, unless of course Mr. Sanders has no real interest in the answer and it's all just kabuki theater.
This is so fucking true, I mean I hear you guys, Bernie Sander's a socialist in name and I love him, just like Ralph Nader, cuz they tell the truth.
But its theatre, like when they asked Gay Edgar Hoover the same question in the 1960's, ... fucking Hoover was spying on the US president Kennedy, ...
All NSA/CIA is about plausible deniability, there is script already written.
Shit this stuff is boring, does the NSA spy? Does the bear shit? Is the pope catholic? How will they answer? Next Bat time, next Bat channel.
All of us in the shit know full well all along that the NSA has been collecting stuff at Fort Meade for fucking FOREVER, and the most of the spying has always been on politicians to control them.
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Most likely what this is about is that the US Congress wants themselves 'exempted from NSA spying', shit they're exempt from everything else.
NSA spying can't go away, cuz its effectively as old as technology itself, for as long as men have been communicating over the air or the wire, somebody has been recording, ... its just human nature.
I was basically going to say about the same thing, Mr. Burton, but you did it better than I would.
I think Sanders is legit - I like the guy. He and Grayson, even though they're to my left and/or more 'statist' - I'd probably vote for them ahead of just about anyone else on offer.
Who's the good guy in Congress for most ZHers? Please don't fucking say Rand Paul that sell out. He's already had his picture taken with the yarmulke at the wailing wall. If that was out of some genuine, if misplaced religious sentiment, I'd respect it - but it's just an obligatory photo op, a form of kneeling while standing apparently requisite for anyone running for President of these United States.
Don't knock Rand Paul. If Ron Paul had made a few trips to the Wailing Wall he would have had a better chance at the presidency.
"He is a socialist, yes, and so fucking luke warm, he would have been called a moderate republican 50 years ago."
You reminded me of a growing issue. Politicians today are savvy enough to always ask for just one step beyond the status quo. Do you really think that means they would stop there, and thus could be described as "moderate" when compared to less savvy politicians from the past? What always happens when they get that one step? Don't they always ask for another step? When they don't get that step, aren't they always willing to consider a false flag - for the greater good?
The majesty that the guy asking if there was any crimes committed against you, your family, your nation....is Bernard Sanders... nobody has a better option? No AAA slugger ready to stand in those halls and get the law back into lawmaking? I got an auntie meaner than him and I am sure you all do as well....pishshaw...
Fuck your fake ass Kabuki theater shit. You are under the gun to ask this question so that they can say it was addressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOlqtb-i-Mw
Junior Parker - Love Ain`t Nothin` But A Business Goin` On
One of the few fairly honest people in DC and this is the ZH reaction to getting this on the record? Sometimes I wonder about some of you. But if it was RP it would be brilliant, right? *facepalm*
Go ahead- junk away....
You don't think that most of them have been blackmailed for years now?
Yes, I do and have no fantasies otherwise. However, Bernie is one of the few that appears to stand up. Him, Liz, and less than a handful of others...
Ever since Cross-Dressing J.E. Hoover.
If he was honest he would have been asking this question long ago, and he would be leading the effort to defund the NSA.
Baby steps, Doc. Just slightly better than no steps.
It's possible he waited to ask this question until he had proof. There's a legal practicallity that "you don't ask a question that you don't alreay know the answer to".
In the past 40 years of USA history, Bernie Sanders, a SOCIALIST, and the like the only independent in the US GOV has been consistent, its telling that the ZH bot's attack him, ... telling indeed.
He has been criticizing the NSA his entire career. Specifically asking this question is DUMB back in the day they asked FBI director GAY EDGAR HOOVER "IS the FBI spying on the US Congress?"
Fuck everybody knows that the FBI was created to SPY on politicians, in order to control them, the orginal NSA was so the MIL could spy on politicians and control them, ... asking these questions is for 'WHO'?
But Bernie is a good guy, and my guess the reason the Zerohead parrots are dissing bernie is because they're pavlovian dogs and they trigger on 'socialist' or bernie-sanders cuz that's how they're programmed.
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NSA has been around for 60+ years, but in actuality SPYING is universal and IMMORTAL in all human history.
Is the NSA PRAETORIAN? I would go farther I would argue that the NSA is the tail wagging the dog. The NSA is not the praetorians, they are the praetorians, and the CIA is the muscle, NSA is the intelligence, they SELECT who to KILL, and then the CIA does the KILL.
Who really controls the NSA? ( fuck alexander ), its never the monkey in the suit.
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See what Sanders comes out with for an answer and I think that'll be the answer we expected Sanders would announce, considering the question, eh!? (Not the one he got from the General…)
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My auntie liked theater..but this is real shit going down while we play so she would scold us if she knew.
Once a thief always a thief, ESPECIALLY if you have the invisible shroud of executive privilege to hide behind.
You are truly an immortal until a 'status quo' renegade like Snowden tears down your tinsel curtain and then its showdown at OK Corral.
What do you say to a whistle blowing Wyatt Earp when he asks you why you justify cattle rustling from all and sundry that you get in your Winchester sights like carefree longhorn spawn, the unmarked new born steers grazing like innocent cattle on the fresh green grass of their precious privacy and intimacy; illegal electronic spooking, 'hang you to the lampost' plays for any non protected citizen, that you consider kosher like they were your god given rights in all legal impunity.
Who protects people like that? Except the Borgia and Holy Emperor strain sitting on the Potomac; on the express understanding that they will NEVER be in the cross hairs of your Winchester sights !
This is a page out of The Third man, awesome film where the narrator thinks he is aping Zane Grey in the land of spooks and mafia gooks on the loose in war torn Vienna recovering from dystopian blues.
Dude, I party - but I can not identify what the fuck you have stuck up your nose or injected into you veins.
Information is power is money -
so is being able to blackmail mothafuckas.
As I noted above, I kinda like Sanders. Doesn't mean I agree with his general worldview of the role of government, but he's signficiantly better than most of the vile pukes sullying the District. At least he's asking the question, eh? Probably just to get kudos for asking the question.. but at least, he's forcing them to lie.
Do you know the words to the Rawhide theme song?
edward snowden = bilbo baggins?
One would be well advised to wait for the verdict on Snowden, as brought up by Sibel Edmonds:
http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-798-what-is-greenwald-covering-up...
And as to Gatekeeper Greenwald, well, I think he's been outed. This is why Snowden needs to answer the question (as Sibel puts forth).
problem is: even if he is legit, Snowden's gagged by his asylum deal...a veritable Catch-22.
there's a much deeper game being played here for sure.
p.s. cute word choice re: GG. always had a feeling he wasn't what he claimed to be. always beware the constituitional lawyers.
Seer to give you an idea of the long arm of counter reaction of 'status quo' :
Climate Change Denial a Billion Dollar Industry of Fabrication Says Study
WHats new in the Age of Spin doctors!
Meatballs try thinking that it is exactly his earnest approach that sell this whole deal...I am sure he is honest"enuff" but who cares when he barks at the mailman (they read it instead of deliver it now ala farenheit451) thru the "fence" we feel better and nothing changes and he stays on the good survival bunker list...imho
Not a lot of argument here, verbot. I suppose it is nice to see SOMEONE try once in awhile though instead of the constant mind numbing BS. Tell me you don't like Liz sticking it up the ass of the bankers, et al? It's kinda fun to watch and beats watching the weeping cheeto weep...
Just had my own hopes of a new class of americans taking the helm and bring us to prosperity again only to find a facsist wonderland with hi-fi snooping as a bonus.. your are right to hope and to support those you feel help..
The problem is the government can't unbuild it now that they built it. Think about it. Can it really be shut off? They have hacked all devices and communications. Shutting it off would require the gov to actually defund the entire thing and then tech companies to build new systems that don't have any of the hacked technology.
No. And here's the cooler thing: they can't control the people that know how it works either. Think the programming nerds forget how to get back to the backdoors?
Wow Sneakers was ahead of its time.
I up-arrowed because I like the enthusiasm, but...
"they can't control the people that know how it works either."
Bruce Ivins
David Kelly
Barry Seal
Ugh! I could generate a list a mile long...
They got tapes of Bernie in a 3 some with Ben & Jerry and a bucket of Schweddy Balls ice cream.
lmao. +100
let me ask you this? what better way to get the dumb'd down public to pay attention, when the MSM will be forced to follow up on the story! it's not that bernie doesn't realize all of congress is being spied upon, it's the very fact that he want's to shock the american public out of room 101, period!
we are in a pre/post (?) police-state now!!!
all that needs to happen is another boston marathon where the orwellian police will barge in everyone's home without a warrant or due process. the world saw with their own eye's what unorthodoxed illegal searches happened in the entire city of boston because of two brothers and a couple of arab aquaintances?
when the next attack happens at a symbolic public site the country will have tanks on every corner checking your 'freedom passes'? and confiscating your weapons of mass destruction... be it a rifle, shot gun, midnight special six-shooter or your home for pressure cookers...
ps. bernie sanders is a great american, period!
I like Bernie. It just made me laugh remebering the old SNL skit...
I can hardly accept it, but I have come to believe we Americans now live in what is a totalitarian state, presently latent, some trigger looming out there, some potential chain of events. that may well take it live...
So very fucked up. Yet we have a President who is just dialing it in, having a great time. A federal judge who just backed the NSA goons. And seemingly the only Congressman endeavoring to take on the totalitarian impetus is an avowed socialist - he is the only signer on that letter....
My guess is that anyone not taking the third way or following progressive ideals of an all powerful/all controlling administrative state are prime targets for super secret suveillance. - you know - tea party types.
NSA's answer: "Would you like a 8x10 or 11x14 picture of your asshole?"....
My plan covers xrays..
what about the fingerprints.. what have happened to them.. have they stolen them too from the iphone 5s (nsa edition)..
I think they have a big collection by now..
How many ZH posters notice street lights that go out near them as they drive? Check for yourself as you travel in your cars that street lights will flip off only near you..most are too busy driving to notice.
Take tonight to prove this for yourself..if you post here you will see the phenomenon. .
Call it a homebrew conspiracy test. ......
It ain't just ZHers...
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Everytime the net goes down my wife blames me... and ZH of course!
Holy shit this happens to me too. What does this mean? What should I do?
I must admit, I find it difficult to notice lights that go out that are not near me
Hey Bernie Rogers got a 10 Billion dollar contract revolving around Cispa and State Department. 10 B that's a lot of Ben and Jerry's and dairy coin wasted on illegal 4th amendment stuff.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130417/16253022748/oh-look-rep-mike-r...
The fact that congress has not censured Rogers and Fienstien is beyond credibility.
Please Snowden release 911 info there is just too much stand down and serious questions of credibility of the broken window collectivist..
spying? how quaint. oh, sorry. what was the question again? yes, absolutely not!
Most likely the NSA had the response drafted befor he hit the print button.
Imagine the NSA sitting there saying, fuck, he's revising a couple of parts; now we need to revise our response; can't wait till he hits send or we get a tickle from the Post Office that the letter is in the mail.
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
He needs a food taster.
Hey Bernie Rogers got a 10 Billion dollar contract revolving around Cispa and State Department. 10 B that's a lot of Ben and Jerry's and dairy coin wasted on illegal 4th amendment stuff.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130417/16253022748/oh-look-rep-mike-r...
The fact that congress has not censured Rogers and Fienstien is beyond credibility.
Please Snowden release 911 info there is just too much stand down and serious questions of credibility of the broken window collectivist..
It seems possible, perhaps even probable, that what the NSA really is now is a part of the Executive's Praetorian Guard.
I've been reading the comments on the Snowden editorial over at the NYT - pretty "liberal" paper, right? Well a lot of the comments are basically as you'd expect, but there's a very healthy minority, certainly over 1/3 that basically regard Snowden as one of the worst traitors in our nation's history. Maybe some of them are "paid trolls" but I suspect that many people, maybe even most in the greater population, simply adhere to the notion that you need to trade liberty because of the Al Qaeda and the concerted evil Moooslim effort to destroy our way of life, etc.
Just my opinion, of course, but I think lurking in the background of most of these opinions, either way, is whether or not someone basically believes the government's narrative of what happened on 9/11 {or the Iraq War, or Benghazi, or Syria, etc.}.
Richard Barlow a Government Weasel?!?
perhaps the greatest unsung hero in the last 50 years other than Snowden the traitor WTF!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Barlow
"Bush At War" by Bob Woodward c. 2002
Epilogue:
Quote (Pgs. 349- 351)::
" BUSH BELIEVED A preemptive strategy might be the only alternative if we were serious about not waiting for events. The realities at the beginning of the 21st century were two: the possibility of another attack similar to September 11, and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction--- biological, chemical or nuclear. Should the two converge in the hands of terrorist or a rogue state, the United States could be attacked and tens of thousands of people could be killed.
In addition, the president and his team had found that protecting and sealing the U.S. homeland was basically impossible. Even with heightened security and the national terrorists alerts, the country was only marginally safer. The United States had absorbed Pearl Harbor and gone on to win World War II. For the moment the country had absorbed September 11 and gone on to win the first phase of the war in Afghanistan. What would happen if there was a nuclear attack, killing tens or hundreds of thousands? "A Free Country Would Become a Police State (!!!). What would the citizens or history think of a president who had not acted in absolutely the most aggressive way? When did a defense require an active offense?
Bush's troubleshooter, Condi Rice, felt the administration had little choice with Saddam. "The overwhelming, unmitigated disaster and nightmare is that you have this aggressive tyrant in a couple of years armed with a nuclear weapon, with his history and desire and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction," she said in an interview. "Are you prepared to let this nightmare stand?" Some intelligence experts said it would be four to six years before he had a nuclear weapon. "I've been in this business a long time and people always underestimate the time, they rarely overestimate the time. If were wrong and we had four or five or six years before he pose a nuclear threat, then we just went early. If anyone is willing to wait is wrong, then we wake up in two or three years, and Saddam has a nuclear weapon and is brandishing it in the most volatile region in the world. So which of those chances do you want to take?
"The lesson of September 11: Take care of the threats early."
But the president proceeded as if he were willing to give the U.N. a chance and his public rhetoric softened. Instead of speaking only about regime change, he said his policy was to get Iraq to give up its weapons of mass destruction. "A military option is not the first choice," Bush told reporters on October 1, "but disarming this man is."
In a speech to the nation Monday, October 7, the one year anniversary of the commencement of military strikes in Afghanistan, the president said that Saddam posed an immediate threat to the U.S. As Congress debated whether to pass its own resolution authorizing the use of force against Saddam, Bush said war was avoidable and not imminent. "I hope this will not require military action," he said. "
end Quoted Excerpt!
Note: SOD Rumsfeld, his deputy Wolfowitz,... VP Cheney, CIA Director Tenet were ready to go into Iraq before Afghanistan!!! SOS Colin Powell (Richard Armitage [best friends and confidants for over thirty years]) was not, period! NSA Condi Rice had to much say, as did Andrew Card in the Presidents decisions which was worrisome to Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld-- they did their best keeping Powell out of the loop.
Ps. If Bush #43 had his way he'd probably had never invaded (? a covert psych`op along with a massive counterinsurgency (CI) via Shiite's/ Kurd's and regime change could have been easily accomplished?) Iraq, but Cheney, Tenet, and Wolfowitz (? Rumsfeld was a Patton? incarnate and old man Bush hated him) never let up, with Cheney gaining the Presidents confidence each and every day until he (Cheney) was actually in control!!! jmo
Lastly: None of this would have happened (It's all about Pakistan?) if only Reagan #40 and Bush #41 had listened to Richard Barlow when AQ Khan was developing a nuclear bomb under our noses??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Barlow
thankyou, Tyler jmo
SNOWDEN is a gimmick = Limited hangout opertive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
Does the NSA spy on the NSA?
yes, but according to internal documents and
current events not nearly enough so further
snooping is called for. have a nice day
Keith Alexander taken out by a subcontractor from Dell, How the mighty have fallen.
The Dell Dude just diddled the NSA.
Old Keith must keep his lace panties hiked up pretty tight so no one can see his sphincteer is as tight as a rubber band that is trying to pin back Obama's windsail ears.
Why, oh why is Deusch Alexander still wearing stars and an employee of the US Government?
He is a shameful disgrace to all who have served. He's a liar and a criminal, and should be behind bars for his "selective" lying to the American public and their elected representatives.
He stands for an unconstitutional organization where the culture of systematically breaking the law is acceptable.
Get that bufoon out of Washington and lock him the f--k up!
The only cure to the "NSA-blues" is 5 gallons of gas and a Bic. Did you no-talent ass cowards in the dark get that?!