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Senator Bernie Sanders Asks NSA If It Spies On Congress
The real life magic-mushroom, banana dictatorship envisioned by George Orwell just went full retard.
From VT Senator Bernie Sanders:
U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) today asked the National Security Agency director whether the agency has monitored the phone calls, emails and Internet traffic of members of Congress and other elected officials.
“Has the NSA spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?” Sanders asked in a letter to Gen. Keith Alexander, the NSA director. “Spying” would include gathering metadata on calls made from official or personal phones, content from websites visited or emails sent, or collecting any other data from a third party not made available to the general public in the regular course of business?”
Sanders said he was “deeply concerned” by revelations that American intelligence agencies harvested records of phone calls, emails and web activity by millions of innocent Americans without any reason to even suspect involvement in illegal activities. He also cited reports that the United States eavesdropped on the leaders of Germany, Mexico, Brazil and other allies.
Sanders emphasized that the United States “must be vigilant and aggressive in protecting the American people from the very real danger of terrorist attacks,” but he cited U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon’s recent ruling that indiscriminate dragnets by the NSA were probably unconstitutional and “almost Orwellian.”
Sanders has introduced legislation to put strict limits on sweeping powers used by the National Security Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation to secretly track telephone calls by millions of innocent Americans who are not suspected of any wrongdoing.
The measure would put limits on records that may be searched. Authorities would be required to establish a reasonable suspicion, based on specific information, in order to secure court approval to monitor business records related to a specific terrorism suspect. Sanders’ bill also would put an end to open-ended court orders that have resulted in wholesale data mining by the NSA and FBI. Instead, the government would be required to provide reasonable suspicion to justify searches for each record or document that it wants to examine.
Uhm... yes?
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Five gallons of Gas and a Bic? That will do a little damage. The problem is that one will probably end up burning one's self up beforehand. Death by burning alive is not the most pleasant endings.
How about a Baby Food jar filled with Muriatic Acid (Swimming Pool Acid), Crumbled Aluminum Foil, and a Can of Automotive Statrting Fluid all confined within a Pipe and that has a Nail in a sleeve that breaks the Jar upon Impact?
Of course that Pipe can be within another pipe that is filled with Nitrated Cotton and shrapnel...One can use Black Powder, I guess...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwb2HQOIOUI
And then this can be attached to the front end of a Rocket for a "Special Delivery"...Long Range Delivery???
In that way one is nowhere near the end result.
"...No talent ass cowards..."???
Oh the talent is here. There are many others whom know how to do this. A target for the most massive impact might be Oil Refineries and Pipelines..
But who delivers the first blow remains to be seen...
So are you suicidal?
Or are you just attempting to incite others as you are too much of a coward to act?
Many, as MYSELF, will just OPT OUT of the CURRENT PARADIGM, and NOT resort to violence.
What you may NOT UNDERSTAND is that the Wise will rush clear of impending Destruction and Doom while the Fool rushes in to be slaughtered.
That is NOT Cowardice but it is an act of both Wisdom and MORALITY.
Of course the Wise Men don't know how it feels...to be Thick as a Brick...as far too many are.
There are many scientists whom frequent this Forum. They are just as capable as they understand the Physics, the Chemistry, and the MATH necessary to design all sorts of Nasties. They just choose NOT TO ACT as the Foolish deserve their lot.
So stop your TROLLING for the NSA.
Let me finish this by writing, "Taking out the Pipelines in Cushing, OK..." Got your ears on NSA?
What in the hell are you talking about?
My point was there is no "fixing" the NSA, not cooking meth.
So they buy access to the information from MI6 in the UK instead of running the operation themselves.
The US NSA spies for the Brits GCHQ and the Canadian CSE and they in turn do it for the NSA. Quid pro quo, the 1948 inteliigence sharing treaty signed by CONgress allows for it.
hahahahhahahahahha!!!
Why of course, Bernie. You are a primo target. Is this guy an idiot? The big question to ask is onto whose hands and where has the spying product gone?
BTW, wrong question asked....should have been: "Has the NSA OR ANY OF ITS PARTNERS IN THE 1948 INTELLIGENCE SHARING TREATY ever spied or curently spy on CONNEDgress?....."
Bernie, ask them if they have a copy of Obama's school records.
Ask them if they have a copy of Obama's REAL birth certificate.
Dear NSA, are you spying on us? Because there is only so much payola to go around.
“Has the NSA spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?"
"Yes, unless you want the answer to be no, in which case, No", says Gen. Keith Alexander.
Jeopardy for 1,000 and a get out of jail free card.
What is a Lie?
Alex, I beleive that is "What is the least untruthful statement I can reply with to this congressional query at this juncture."
For all you b-holes that are saying,"of course dummy" I will tell you it's a rhetorical question. the response will elicit a total baldface lie, an admittal or an ignore. Ask Dianne Feinstein,Pelosi or anyone forced to defend the NSA. The NSA had tapped them for years and have all kinds of dirt on their financial dealings(Swiss bank Accounts?) to make the pimp the survellience state or say nothing(Pelosi fumbling around at press conferences.)
Oh, I get it now the AIPAC queen bitch whores are victims? WHo are you kidding?
These queen bitch whores know full well about NSA, and they all sit on the SPY committee's, and they all work with Israel, and many of them hold dual citizenships.
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This is a new low to suggest that the AIPAC bitch whores that PIMP&PUMP for NSA are victims.
These bitch AIPAC whores are the PRAETORIANS, the NSA is just another TOOL in their bitch bag, ... think YELLEN, ... HILLARY 2016 ...
they can be both, whores and victims. The branch is bent slowly and becomes crooked before it even notices the weight that has been placed upon.
There are no saints in congress it is the house of the damned, the modern Gemmorah waiting to be smote.
and I'm not even religous.they built this beast together and are now being gored upon its horns, it would be ironic if they weren't using our privacy to feed the beast.
I see an airplane crash in his future.
*After* he gets an answer: that's classified!
Isn't that still called being "Clintoned"?
No,No, NO!! Of course not, we would never do that! You can keep your health plan, What difference does it make? That bad little movie maker guy incited all of those nasty riots at that embassy! QE has nothing to do with inflation. Does anybody believe ANY of this stuff?
Does anybody think the NSA is a credible threat? You'd have to think that the information captured could be used by third parties or government officials who are violating their constitutional oaths. Perhaps they are making investment decisions, personal ones? Would it be right to grant access to foreign countries or dual citizens regardless of their current relation with the interests of the USA? Would those involved in the system know how to hide their own actions for their own gains? Is there a class of officials who have lost their way? Are they insane? How could justice prevail when investigations into violations could be detected in advance and prevented or punished? Is the system of justice too "analog" with no concurrent growth to counter violations of national sovereign integrity? To be true you'd have to see evidence of national breakdown like, say, exporting your industrial power to a foreign country and destroying your middle class.
IT ATE EVERYBODY...STUPID
http://youtu.be/JXon-iWR5Po
it could have been you! or might be u
here, what we are talkin' about
minute 33 barry trower on the
emf mind control capacity to mess
with you and your thought potential.
put on your best tin foil hat and listen up!
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Wednesday January 1 12:00pm
Gary Null - The Natural Living Show
http://archive.wbai.org/#ankor51
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also available, perhaps, at prn null archives.
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happy techno-logic new year
Not only should they be spying on congress, they should be making it publically available
If it were publicly available, the NSA couldn't blackmail them for more funds. Why would Alexander kill the Golden Goose?
Bernie shouldn't fly for awhile and watch out for sticky accelerator pedals on his rental cars.
They are above reproach and also above criminal indictment as we have seen by the fact that no one is even being investigated at the NSA, let alone indicted.
They are untouchable. They are gods. we are merely sheep to be shorn and slaughtered to feed their needs.
democracy was just a cover story until they could get the real system up and running....
I can't see why Sanders needs to draft a new Bill to restate something which is already in the Constitution and which is already being ignored.
We are now at the point when if existing laws are being ignored, government will pass another one.
The US Constitution was NULL&VOIDED long ago,
The bill of rights is gone
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The US Congress that you see on TV is just the last hours of a dying empire, 99% of the politicians in DC are the equivalent of the horses that used to sit in the Roman Senate.
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Expecting change from this crowd in WASH-DC is the complete DEFINITION of insanity, "Doing the same thing over&over and expecting different results"
By MOU much of everything you think is true is no longer true about your government.
Congress has become the Costume of democracy, the illusion in 3 acts, Legislative,Judicial, and Executive - in the last act they all wrestle to see who will be King.
I like that:
"The Democratic Illusion" in three acts: Legislative, Judicial and Executive"
.....they ought to put it on Broadway ;-)
Hey Bernie, you Socialist crazy ass wack job, you! Knucklehead...
I'll field this answer for 'ol "Capt. Kirk":
"Yes"
I would think that if he didn't have proof, he wouldn't ask the question. We'll see.
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
1 if by land
2 if by sea
little known fact,
the "S" in NSA actually stands for Satan.
National Satan Agency
NSA
spying the devil out of you 24/7 for the good of the nation of course.
why do you hate our troops?
I don't agree much with Bernies Sanders, an admitted socialist, (only 4th most socialist by voting record -- Obama was #1, Kennedy was #2, and Biden was #3) but I can respect him sometimes for being like Glen Greenwald who can surprise with a consistent moral compass to along with their belief in unicorns.
This is not an artfully phrased question:
It should be "Does the NSA spy on Congress or does the NSA have any access to any product of any other country's spying on Congress?"
Good one.
Since it was disclosed, and then quickly swept under the rug by the MSM, that Israel gets live feeds of everything the NSA gets on Americans, it surely would include the most existentially important Americans to Israel -- the congress critters.
Before 911, Israel did domestic metadata gathering through two companies -- Amdocs and another. At least one of them also had an office in the WTC. Israeli newspaper Ha'rretz reported at the time that a phone call was made for them to get out 1 hour before the first plane hit.
Back in the day the NSA could say the US government was not engaging in domestic spying on Americans -- because another government was doing it on their behalf.
this dream keeps getting better and better!
thanks. great article and comments.
It's not about asking an obvious question, which obviously is 'yes'
But there's only 2 answers
1. Yes, of which they will ask under whose authority and who requested the information or who was the recipient of that information.
2. No, of which they will be set up for a snooker if it's proved they lied again.
When the Washington D.C. government (FEDs) become the most feared terrorists hope and change prevail.
Bernie isn't stupid in that he doesn't know they are spying on Congress; he's stupid in thinking that shaming them with this letter will do anything. Sometimes it's clear why the representatives of the people let the government become occupied - they approach things from a perspective of compromise with antagonists to the Constitution. Now the rulers are pumping payoff money to those who control the levers at the top in order to grease things past the point of no return. A congressman here and there "phone it in" especially among the Dems who need to keep up appearances for liberals who care(d) about civil rights.
After this gets out the foreigners are going to be looking in their Campbell's Soup for bugs.
And cancelling all products from US Corporations; including oil and OEMs.
Yaaaaaaaa the military industrial complex is targeting the Oligarchs.
I can't stand the socialist Sanders (curse his name), and of course he has his head up his backside. But this is "how you do it". You ask people questions, which puts them on the record either with an answer or with refusing to answer. The problem we have is that those who chould pull out the record from time to time are not doing so when Democrats (curse their name) are involved.
Having Sanders do this rather than a Republican (curse their name as well) might help put the screws to Clapper, Alexander, &c.
It might not. But I appreciate the effort. It beats anythin else going on, and either way will help provide facts to build upon.
At least Sanders' brand of socialism is directed toward the needs of We The People and not the Corporate Bankster Rulers of America.
Excellent POINT
"Social Corporatism", better known as FASCISM
"Social Egalitarianism", aka Equality
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The Pavlovian ZH RINO's of course love FASCISM, and hate Equality,
Bernie Sanders has always been fighting for the little guy, and Vermont votes for him since the dinosaur era.
"LIVE FREE OR DIE", ...
My favorite T-SHIRT is "USA out of VT"
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Corporate Socialism, Corporate-Welfare, Wall Street Welfare, Main Street Welfare all good in RINO circles,
But talk about foodstamps and 99% of ZH has a pamper's moment, its Pavlovian I tell you, pure Ron Paul eventually you have a senior moment everytime you hear the trigger words.
Maybe Bernie knows something and is telegraphing the set up for the next Snowden release - The Congressional Emails!!!
Someone had to do it. Be interesting to see why others weren't invited to "sign" the letter.
and yes, the letter may be more politics then genuine, but someone had to do it.
They will do it Clinton style. "I never had sex with that woman." Cigar in the vagina, a blowjob, yeah, but you didn't ask about that.
"We never spied on congress."
What is the definition of "spy?"
Why "reasonable suspicion"?. You have just conceeded "probable cause". Probable cause is a much higher standard and is what the constitution requires.
Shooting for reasonable suspicion is a miistake. All that means is the NSA looks through thier files and finds something suspicious i.e. pay cash for your dinner etc.
This is better than nothing but don't get too excited
Is this a joke?
Thank you senator for stating (well... asking) the obvious.
If Bernie Sanders was "my senator" I'd run through the streets naked with my hair on fire and my junk in my hand.
FLASH* NSA Secret Court Rules - NSA CAN KEEP SPYING ON EVERYBODY 24/7/365 UNIVERSAL
US Spy Court: NSA to Keep Collecting Phone Records ABC News - 30 minutes ago A secretive U.S. spy court has ruled again that the National Security Agency can keep collecting every American's telephone records every day, in the midst of dueling decisions in two other federal courts about whether the surveillance program is ... *** So talk on ZH's about how this might all end, but so long as 'secret courts' can keep giving this bitch the green light, its going to be same-same game the last 60+ years far into the future.So only Congress? I guess Bernie figures the rest of us deserve it.
No surprise here: "NSA 'developing code-cracking quantum computer'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25588605
connecting the dots. thats what we must do to them. Connecting the dots is what they claim to do to us.
perhaps we should change dots to dollars
A recent study has shown that 90 percent of all cyber attacks against the US government are by the US government. The cyber warfare capabilities of the US have grown so fast and so complex the NSA was not able to keep track of all of its programs, people, missions and capabilities. In trying to detect intruders the employees, sometimes in the next cubicle, were unknowingly detecting their coworkers and mistaking them for intruders and launching cyber attacks, which then prompted counter attacks.
when do wall sized tvs began broadcasting selected speeches of fearless leader 24/7?
will the death of democracy be televised?
Will Ahmerican Idle select the next POTUS based on toll calls and commercial text messages?
Will General alexander's plane crash before he can respond or will jack ruby shoot him during a routine jail transfer?
the Cia works in mysterious ways
(formerly God - before the CIA assesinated him)
Here's what Bernie was really saying: I know that you know that I know that the NSA is spying on congress. The part where he says "I look forward to working with you on this issue in the near future" actually means I am going to F*ck you up really bad you lying sack of sh*t.
My thoughts: If the NSA is spying on congress, what would that say about the executive branch of our government? I think it would be the end of Obummer - good riddance. If the NSA is capable of doing it, then they are doing it!
Bernie like Ron Paul, has been a WASH-DC for 40+ years, and the NSA has been around for 60+ years, ...
Bullshit talks, and money walks, and all the money and secret authorization passed years ago to the NSA.
SHOW, its more than SHOW, ... its pathetic,
If your an elected official in AMERICA, it means that you are a brown nosing shit eating part of the system, if you have been in the WASH-DC circle-jerk for 40+ years it means you are deeply part of this system.
Does the NSA Spy on Congress? Does Congress fuck little boys and girls, should be the rhetorical question asked by Alexander. Then this show will end and quick.
An answer that "the NSA does not spy on congress" is not the same as "the NSA does not spy on any congressman."
The NSA and the whole crowd play with words.
There is no doubt that they are spying on at least a number of congressmen.
There is no doubt that they were spying on Ron Paul and the fact that there was never any dirt on Ron Paul is a clear indication that the man was truly a clean American.
The socialist wants to know if his government is oppressive. Ironic...
NSA in a Nutshell: A pervert leers through a self drilled hole in a roadside truckstop. He has one hand on his cock and one eye pressed against his hoary hole. From time to time someone wets a clod of toilet paper and spackles his hole. Writing abounds, "Show hard for blowjob... here I sit all broken hearted... Herman the German Shitz here...." Our little pervert is mostly board, his dick hurts, beaten like a red-headed step child. He has scabies, he smells shit all day but he's "in the hunt" day after day, there, in the shit cloud. Sadly he tracks the smell back to his fetid home where, and he doesn't know this, someone else has drilled a shitty jizz hole in his bathroom.
Does Congress men and women have special relationships with pages, aka kids?
Sanders: Mr Alexander, Does the NSA spy on the US congress?
Alexander: What do you mean by spy?
mr. S: Specifically have you been borrowing and viewing our 'sex with pages' videos going back to the J Edgar Hoover years?
mr. A: We at the NSA consider any child fornification on US government property to be in the public domain, so yes we keep copie(s) of those old 35mm,8mm,16mm,super-8, and everything to date.
S: Mr Alexander do you realize the US congress is exempt from all laws in this nation?
A: Yes, Mr. Sanders we're quite aware that the US Congress exempts itself from US Civilian law, but we operate under military law.
S: Do you have any sex material you can share with us? Or perhaps you too have a 'page program' at the NSA, perhaps we can swap pages?
A: I will have my young 12 year old aide here at my side get back to you privately on this issue. Is there anything else?
S: No, you have answered all my questions.
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Sanders: Does the NSA spy on the US congress yes or no?
Alexander: Mr. Sanders Does Congress Screw Children? Yes or No?
Sanders: My page here advises me its now nap time, can we continue this conversation later?
Alexander: Yes, good bye.
End of Story, as its a known fact that page's get fucked in the ass male or female rampantly in the US congress. The best government in the world that USD's can buy.
NSA knew about this letter while it was being typed
What does these self serving politicians fear?
Don't worry, turn a blind eye to them and they will do the same on your shady activities.
I wonder if Bernie will run for POTUS?
Wow, a lot of people hating on Sanders... for being a socialist? Einstein was a socialist. Oppenheimer and Chaplin, too. Meanwhile, good ol' capitalists like Bernanke are screwing you in the butt, but somehow their Ayn Rand ideology seems to have more legitimacy?
So effens stupid. Criminals like Bernanke are simply corrupt, not an example of capitlism.
How stupid can you be?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/nsa-spying-bernie-sanders-members-congress
The NSA's entire rationale for spying on Americans is that the agency is trying to keep us safe. We've been told the same thing by virtually every government agency that abuses us.
I routinely meet idiots who believe that the government wants to protect Americans from terrorists. It's a rather primitive belief. If you question it, people will get angry. It upends their version of reality.
The truth is that the government didn't protect the American people on 9/11. In fact, NORAD failed to dispatch fighter jets in a timely manner and from the correct airforce bases. Miraculously, just on that one day, the people at NORAD forgot to follow
well-established procedures for what to do when a plane goes off course and fails to hit its mile markers.
Similarly, on 11/22/63, the U.S. Secret Service forgot to follow well-established procedures for presidential security. So, JFK was murdered in broad daylight. In presidential motorcades on days preceding 11/22/63, the Secret Service managed to seal manhole covers, keep nearby windows closed, and station agents on the running board of Kennedy's limosine. But, on 11/22/63, agents were pulled off Kennedy's limosine at Love Field and Kennedy was driven through Dealey Plaza without normal protection.
Obama : Did the NSA spy on me ?
NSA : What the fuck are you going to do about it ?
What part of EVERYONE does this dope not get?
Of course they spy on congressmen, to protect the public!
Duplicate redacted.
How about cutting their legislative appropriations. You know you are in an alternate universe when Bernie Sanders sounds cautious and reasonable.
General Alexander, are you spying on us?
No.
CUT! That's a wrap.
Sweet. What's for lunch
Never go full retard.