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Ship Sent To Rescue Global Warming Researchers Trapped In Antarctic, Gets Trapped In Antarctic

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From ironic to ironic-er... the Chinese icebreaker ship that helped rescue the 52 Australian global warming researchers from being trapped in Antarctic ice has found itself stuck in heavy ice. As Reuters reports, The Snow Dragon had ferried the passengers from the stranded Russian ship to an Australian icebreaker late on Thursday. It now had concerns about its own ability to move through heavy ice, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) said.



Via Chicago Tribune,


"It will attempt to maneuver through the ice when tidal conditions are most suitable during the early hours of 4 January 2014," AMSA said.

The Australian icebreaker carrying the rescued passengers, the Aurora Australis, will remain on standby in open water in the area "as a precautionary measure", the rescue agency said.


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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:26 | 4297602 RacerX
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And the Hits just keep on coming..

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:32 | 4297614 The Juggernaut
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Global cooling is whats really happening.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:39 | 4297651 Clint Liquor
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Damn those Global Cooling Deniers to hell! Why can't they give up their flat earth ideas and accept Science. They are putting the entire world (and Ice Breaker crews too!) at risk.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:43 | 4297671 insanelysane
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It'll be awesome if we are entering another ice age.  The Environmentalist will be begging people to use fossil fuels and warm the planet.  Long aerosol.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:46 | 4297696 Dr. Richard Head
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Back when I was your age we had to worry about a hole in the ozone.  Ahhhh.....those were the days.  You kids don't know how good you got it.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:03 | 4297743 MagicHandPuppet
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Oh No!  We are all going to burn  (oops) freeze to death!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:14 | 4297799 Joe Davola
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Either way, in the long run...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:27 | 4297828 dogbreath
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Is Hell freezing over ??

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:44 | 4297872 NoDebt
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I wish it was a warm in the Philly area right now as it is there.  Does that answer your question?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:05 | 4297916 BigJim
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Where's Flakmeister, our resident AGW troll?

I'd have thought she'd be all over this.

edit - perhaps she's stuck in a blizzard somewhere

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:33 | 4297971 Lore
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Be kind.  Many acolytes and would-be technocrats had a deep personal stake in the scam, career-wise, emotionally and otherwise.  "Global Warming" was the environmental equivalent of Al Qaeda, giving them purpose and feeding their need for self-superiority, external validation, community and empowerment.  They're going to need therapy. "Carbon Tax" and "Cap and Trade" programs will have to be scrapped.  Whole branches of useless and expensive government and NGOs will find themselves on the streets.  Some may be unable to cope. 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:41 | 4298021 negative rates
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Thank fer the help, see ya, don't want to be ya.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:16 | 4298449 nmewn
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And the biggest irony of all, their very lives were saved by men, who were on vessels & aircraft burning the "hated fuel".

Burning fuel that didn't actually need to be burned if these frauds weren't so fucking stupid. They were not saved by men sporting solar panels on their heads or driving a bus powered by french fry grease or slung to their rescue by a windmills arm.

Its a disaster alright, on a host of

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:46 | 4298645 Element
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Helicopter rides too eh? I would have made the sods walk. A bit of frostbite might have made them think about the irony of their incongruent mental edifice.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 08:48 | 4299428 nmewn
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Or just air drop supplies to them for a month or give them a real taste of the icy grip of their reality, maybe some paperback copies of an Inconvenient Truth that they can either re-read or burn to keep

This is yet another episode of manmade global warming nutters that reveals one of two things...(like Copenhagen & Cancun before this)...given time, the conceit & arrogance of people with unlimited money will always find a Russian ship captain crazy enough to help them show their ass...or God has a really great sense of humor ;-)

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:36 | 4300894 Desert Cat
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My bet's on God in this case.  LOL!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 01:16 | 4301121 Element
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when I used to go to sea for work in my late teens and early 20s we all were trained and knew that our very best safety resource was to never rely on anyone else to come to find us or fish us out. We planned for a rescue option, but we never assumed it would occur, so we organized a survival plan accordingly. Because once you presume that others will be out looking for you, and will try to rescue you fast if things go bad, then you're less careful, to do all the things you can to make sure you won't f*ck things up in the first place, and not become dependent on others acting for us (at their cost too...). Fear of non-rescue makes you act and operate safer, than over-confidence of quick rescue.

So I say no, there are a lot of penguins down there, let's see how much they want to survive, without that month of supplies, eh? Then when they're desperate enough radio to tell them to leg it to a place where they can get picked up. They sure won't do it again after that. And so what if a few AGW fools cark it, it makes for good lesson-imprinting. That would be a more useful lesson about their attitudes to who they are and where they placed themselves. Survival-related mistakes should be felt and regretted, and you can see from the comments they're making now on the Aurora Australis they did not learn much from this debacle, and how they caused it (turns out the ship got stuck in the ice because these idiots went sight-seeing when the captain wanted to get the hell out of there, hours earlier).

I suppose you're still all warm down in the deep south eh? Have a good week there with the chill mate, I've gotta go do some work for a bit. :D

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:04 | 4298691 SAT 800
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-perhaps she's stuck in a blizzard somewhere.'  Too much to hope for. but it's a nice thought.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:28 | 4297830 Anusocracy
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Don't forget the global warming nutters trip to the North Pole that had to be abandoned because of cold weather.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:25 | 4297829 savagegoose
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ice burns. ;)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:20 | 4297816 insanelysane
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And there were pull tabs all over the ground from beer cans.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:33 | 4297844 Offthebeach
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I remember a big Global Cooling project at my middle school. 1970. Abu Garcia was giving fishing rods and reels for the best parroted propagandist.
Then there was Acid Rain. Then the Ozone Hole.

We've always been at war with East Asia.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:00 | 4298407 acetinker
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That's such a fucked-up disjointed comment, I had to green it- just because.  I feel ya'.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:37 | 4297859 quasimodo
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Hehe, I remember well the stories about holes in the ozone the size of a basketball, and reading the bathroom spray can while in the shitter that had this statement "Contains no chlorofluorocarbons, claimed to harm the ozone layer"


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:32 | 4297976 DosZap
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Back when I was your age we had to worry about a hole in the ozone.  Ahhhh.....those were the days.  You kids don't know how good you got it.




Yep, but not nefore they got rid of R12, for R 34(which is 100x's worse than R12), and is a caustic electrical machine eating POS.





Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:32 | 4298316 Kayman
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They keep changing up. We've been using something called MP3 in our dehumid kilns for a couple of years now. It cost 4 times what R12 used to.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:05 | 4298412 acetinker
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:49 | 4297698 Stackers
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And in case everyone for forgot --- It's the middle of the summer down there right now

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:32 | 4297726 Popo
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Vote above comment up.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:20 | 4297949 AustrianJim
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You just blew my mind.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:22 | 4297964 NotApplicable
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Well, technically it's closer to the beginning.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:35 | 4297997 DosZap
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And in case everyone for forgot --- It's the middle of the summer down there right now


Yes, and this is why they all need to eat Dimm Sunn.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:48 | 4297707 Clint Liquor
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We need Carbon Credits! Where you get a credit for creating Carbon.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:17 | 4297797 Drachma
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Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:24 | 4297822 insanelysane
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My kids have a carbon credit stand on the side of the road, screw lemonade.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:25 | 4297967 NotApplicable
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Al Gore will be by soon to demand his cut.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:08 | 4298692 Lore
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"We must all stop ManBearPig."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:03 | 4297757 RafterManFMJ
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The Environmentalist will be begging people to use fossil fuels and warm the planet.


No, they won't. At its core the Enviromental movement is anti-human. They paraphase Stalin, 'No more humans, no problems."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:38 | 4298179 jimmytorpedo
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I always encourage environmentalists to kill themselves.

It's for the planet.

BTW did you know the US army in Iraq uses more oil in a day than the entire country of India?

If you were a true environmentalist you would be helping to kill the government, not my one ton.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:57 | 4298665 Element
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Yes, OK, but look at it this way, the US army units, formerly in Iraq, also had an economy three time bigger than India's.

So they were actually getting pretty good fuel economy.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:27 | 4300445 S.N.A.F.U.
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For example:

"the consistent conclusion restated with increasing distress is that something basic is wrong.  We are what is wrong."

Al Gore
Dec 10, 2007

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:08 | 4297784 stant
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they always sucker them on the wrong side of the trade

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:41 | 4298020 Crash Overide
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I tried to explain to a teacher I know that the Sun has more influence on our weather than coal power plants and cars and he looked at me like I was crazy.

I further tried to explain the relative size and energy factors at play and he just didn't want to hear it. He is 100% convinced Al Gore is right and nothing will change his mind. Whatever.

He proceeded to print me a 50 page data sheet with all the models and "proof" that humans are the cause of climate change and asked me how I could deny the evidence...

I said, ever heard of chemtrails? oh I am sorry, "geoengineering"? and I told him how could I trust the data he presented when the models don't account for the geoengineering programs on a global scale.

He just shook his head and told me I don't know what I am talking about and came up with some obscure explanation which didn't make a lick of sense and I just said, really?

I don't know for sure one way or another but I know the difference between contrails and geoengineering, and I know Pierre Janovich wrote a book about Blyth Masters @ JPM and had some strong comments that it might be in the best interest of banks and corporations to manipulate weather to trade commodities and make their nut. I also know bankers and politicians were pushing "carbon credits/taxes" pretty hard...

I do however enjoy the irony of global warming scientists getting stuck in the ice that's not supposed to be there according to them.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 00:44 | 4298929 PhysicalRealm
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:38 | 4297630 Dick Buttkiss
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"And the hits just keep coming."

Indeed they do:

"Al Gore Forecasted “Ice-Free” Arctic by 2013; Ice Cover Expands 50%"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:36 | 4297648 Carpenter1
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And you know guys like Al Gore have such enormous egos that they're raging uncontrollably right now with humiliation.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:42 | 4297662 insanelysane
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Tell those people that are stuck that the no ice projections are only off by a few decades and the ship will be free in 50 years or so.  Sit tight.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:38 | 4297661 wee-weed up
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Of course, Al Gore adamantly refuses to debate global warming.

Wonder why?...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:27 | 4297970 NotApplicable
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Because he's richer than you? (thanks to AGW)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:49 | 4298051 augustusgloop
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beyond shitty journalism: 

1. article heading says arctic, but "ice cover expansion 50%" refers only to YoY 2012-2013. Ice level is still well below (1 std dev) 20 year mean.

2. link referencing fastest ice cap growth is from 2008!

3. article confuses extreme weather and "snow in egypt!" with climate change. 

Dipshits of the "one data point = a trend" on each side of the ideological spectrum. Prius driving fuckheads say global warming whenever there is no fog in Marin County. Hummer driving fuckheads in New Jersey claim that climate change is a trilateral comission illuminati scam depriving us our right to frack in our backyards whenever there is a cold day in an otherwise hot climate (e.g. snow on the Sphynx). 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:33 | 4298440 acetinker
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Yeah, the confirming links leave much to be desired, but you can't deny the delicious irony of (now two) ships sent to study receding ice, stuck in the ice.  Hope JPM has liens on both of those ships.  Don't get lost in the trees, gloop.  The forest is all around you.  Ya' fucked up not noticing the ant in antarctic, btw.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:14 | 4298264 Drifter
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"Ice Cover Expands 50%"

He'll say it was global warming. 

Movie "Day After Tomorrow" showed a new ice age hitting America ...from global warming.

These people are insane.  You can't debate insanity.  Just walk away from it.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 01:26 | 4298704 Lore
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Re: "You can't debate insanity."

Perceptive. It is not rational. It is religion. There can be no listening to reason when reason itself is the enemy. 

As a scam, it's really brilliant.  No wonder they target the young aggressively.  Oldsters with worldly 'street wisdom' generally have a better nose for bullshit.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:06 | 4298689 Element
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"Al Gore Forecasted “Ice-Free” Arctic by 2013; Ice Cover Expands 50%"

You'd think it might be all over for Al at this point, but you'd be wrong, that snakeoil seller's got more front than Harrods.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:47 | 4297691 PartysOver
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Damn Sun.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:42 | 4297877 de3de8
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And the "official" findings will be the same.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:47 | 4297880 Canadian Dirtlump
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On link you'll see the irascible little aids victim Chris Hayes bitch about "snow trolling." How the right has disregarded good data about global warming to act like assholes any time it's cold. LOL


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:10 | 4298116 Freddie
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I was hoping the global warning libtard goons were still on the Chinese ship.  The Chinese then would have to eat them when food ran low.  "Tastes like dog."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:41 | 4298351 monkeyboy
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Like Alanis Morrisette once said(though not quite grasping the understanding of the word, which is somewhat ironic, but mostly incorrect)

"Isn't IRONIC don't 'cha think!"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:11 | 4298582 JuliaS
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No worries! Global Warming will melt that ice in no time!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:31 | 4297608 alangreedspank
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Antarctic gets trapped in Antarctic. Now, that's a lot of ice.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:14 | 4298707 Element
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I'm still waiting for the Aurora Australis icebreaker to get trapped too ... I've been expecting that one for a couple of days ... would love to see the look on Penny Wong's and Bob Brown's shit-eating faces ...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:32 | 4297612 ShortTheUS
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Allegory for European bailouts the past few yearz?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:01 | 4298091 Maxter
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send more ship until it solves teh problem!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:17 | 4298715 SAT 800
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Right. before long the enire air-sea rescue capability of the Southern Hemisphere will be dedicated to "saving' these ignorant propaganda patsys. If it was up to me, I'd just throw them overboard and tell 'em to swim in the nice warm water. They're beyond saving.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:29 | 4297613 _ConanTheLibert...
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Hahaha. Hilarious.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:31 | 4297622 fooshorter
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Time to send in the Eagles and drop that ring into the fire once and for all!!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:34 | 4297623 Uncle Sugar
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How could this be?? Akak said there's not enough ice left for a margarita.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:05 | 4298571 Umh
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NakNak will probably sit this one out.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:36 | 4297624 One And Only
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Al Gore proclaimed there was no ice there on the internet he created. Half of the liberals pushing this agenda are corrupt fucks looking to line their pockets with tax payer subsidies, the other half are naive cunts

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:34 | 4297638 kralizec
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If you like your globalwarmist on can keep it!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:28 | 4297974 NotApplicable
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Then there's the worst of the lot, those who are BOTH.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:52 | 4298061 Satan
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Did the naive cunt think it was an asshole?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:32 | 4297625 Gringo Viejo
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Asshole "progressives" that would walk over a dying homeless person to save a feral cat. Fuck 'em.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:37 | 4297634 Lumberjack
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Al sends own boat for rescue!


In other Ice News (pardon the pun)...


Elves delay road building project

Elf advocates and environmentalists have joined forces in Iceland to stop a large-scale road project that was due to take place in a region where elves are believed to live.
A judge ruled that the highway project be cancelled because there is a chance elves could be living on the barren landscape it was going to take place on.
Elf advocates and environmentalists have been doing everything they can to make the Icelandic Road and Coastal Commission change its mind about the controversial road.
The road would have run from Reykjavik to the Alftanes peninsula. The landscape between the capital and the peninsula is home to an elf church, and campaigners think elves may live there.

The Friends of Lava campaign got so much support that the project has been put on hold until Iceland’s Supreme Court rules on the issue. The group claims the road-building project would have an environmental and cultural impact, including impacting the lives of the elves.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:40 | 4297663 suteibu
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Odd.  For some reason, the elf advocates seem more credible than the global warming advocates.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:01 | 4297759 Skateboarder
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First there was Eru. He created the Ainur, of whom many went to Arda, and they are known as the Valar. He also created the Maiar, lesser of the Ainur. These are the high elves, and their tales are many.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:07 | 4297772 suteibu
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Who writes the least believable fiction, Tolkien or Gore?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:14 | 4297798 Skateboarder
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One's a repackager of the Christian bible, the other is a scare propagandist. Gore obviously wins this battle.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:20 | 4298722 SAT 800
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As nearly as I can guess the Elf protestors are a whole order of magnitude more credible than the global warming wing-nuts; I mean, we know goddam good and well there's no global warming; there is such a thing a a thermometer. So Elves are a lot more probable.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:30 | 4297977 Dugald
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Looooong years ago Richard Dimbleby was interviewing an old sweetie wife in the dark depths of Ireland....

Do you belive in the wee folk he asked..

Ah, I do not!...........But they are there just the same...she replied.





Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:37 | 4297637 TheRideNeverEnds
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this is too good, and probably pretty bullish.  


did you buy the dip today?  its likely the last one you will see in Q1.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:43 | 4297668 Carpenter1
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Maybe but we're late in this game now. 


"If something cannot go on forever, it will end."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:37 | 4297645 IridiumRebel
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Send Al Gore. His ass is about the size of a shipping vessel. How's that for an "icebreaker"?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:11 | 4297750 Lumberjack
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"His ass is about the size of a shipping vessel"

I would hope that GE (owner of NBC)

will feature him on The Biggest Loser.

Do not forget how Larry Summers tie into the global warming (global financial) frauds.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:36 | 4297646 Dr. Engali
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I guess we have to revert back to the global cooling theory of the seventies and dump ash on the poles to melt the ice.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:43 | 4297653 One And Only
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Who funded the field trip ? A university. Where did the university get the money? A government grant. Who funded it TAX PAYERS. Get how the scam works?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:03 | 4297767 Lumberjack
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It seems to have been a friends and family affair. Chrismas Turkey (who had his family on board) claims that Australia will have to pay for the rescue effort. Here is a recent case brought by Lloyds of London agaist a wind company that tried to blame a Fire Department for a wind farm fire.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:48 | 4298537 acetinker
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This is very wrong of me, but I hope that they and everyone dispatched to rescue them, spends a very long, painful and introspective time in the deep freeze they claim isn't happening.  If some of them die, maybe it'll make their idiot supporters (i.e.: parents) re-think.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:40 | 4297655 Smiley
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Reality does not care how much you believe in your delusions.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:39 | 4297664 Papasmurf
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Al Gore promised this ice was melting.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:20 | 4298727 Element
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Careful, Al Gore built the NSA ...


"There's Klingons on the starboard bow!" 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:49 | 4297679 Johnny Cocknballs
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I mean no disrespect to Asian culture, etc. but honestly - why do the Chinese name just about everything "dragon"? 


It seems unhealthy.


Also 'snow dragon' was the nickname of this Korean trader that I used to work with. 

Energetic feller.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:59 | 4297711 suteibu
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Why are most sports teams named for fierce animals?  I suppose the image of pandas doesn't quite do it for the Chinese psyche.

Also, what do you think made him so energetic, the "snow" or the "dragon?"

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:44 | 4297688 Bawneee Fwank
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 16:49 | 4297710 kchrisc
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"Global Cooling" in 3..2..1..

"Overly reflective surfaces must be taxed or banned to lower the Earth's cooling coificient. New Al Gore, I mean 'red,' companies will produce newly patented and subsidized products that we pols and crats will force you to buy--to save the planet, and, of course, the children."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:08 | 4297778 Lumberjack
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Bill Clinton: "You must paint your roof white". (see pix of his roof in link)...

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:00 | 4297749 Handful of Dust
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"No one saw this coming."


So who is going to be stuck with the invoise for this 'rescue?'

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:00 | 4297756 Dingleberry
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You knew something was amiss when "global warming" became "climate change" as a hedge.

Not to mention Gore, Moore and other libs pumped and dumped this shit at the top.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:18 | 4297800 DeliciousSteak
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Climate change is a perfectly good and accurate way to describe it because the climate is *gasp* changing as it always has. Is it really warming, cooling or both in a cycle, who knows and who cares - as long as politicians and other good-for-nothings stay out of our wallets.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:05 | 4297773 BurningFuld
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If the world is indeed warming we can just launch Al Gore in to orbit around the earth. His shadow will cool us off.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:12 | 4297786 Hulk
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Can't wait to get my carbon credits refunded !!!

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:15 | 4297802 Emergency Ward
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That'll be right after your helium-reserve premiums are refunded.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:12 | 4297792 Professorlocknload
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Why not hand this operation over to the gumnut and it can airdrop refrigerators to them? 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:17 | 4297809 novictim
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Yes, this is ironic.  And that is where it ends.  

The questions you need to ask:

Does CO2 act as a green house gas (act as a blanket on our planet) leading to global higher temperatures/local climate change)?  Or are global scientists wrong or lying?

Do you think that human activity is helping to drive up CO2 levels beyond all prior levels…and that this could be unsafe?  Or do you think that humans could never damage the planet so as to harm themselves…that the tooth fairy prevents this?

Do you believe the researchers from all areas of the globe when they independently confirm tested CO2 levels in the air are higher than ever and that they are rising at a higher rate than ever?  Or do you think that Al Gore’s mafia is directing these results and that this is just scare mongering?

Lastly, do you think that the uncertainty of the effects of this CO2 rise should lead one to a conservative choice to curtail further CO2 rise…just in case? 


Hey, ZH fans.  I’ve personally concluded that NOTHING will be done about global CO2 level rise until it is far too late. I think that TPTB who might actually have the power to change our course are too corrupt to make the painful choices required.

 So relax, you folks have actually won this battle against survival already!  Hooray! 


(I’m still compelled to try to change your minds though…and when the global die off starts and food needs rationing then this record may help ensure you a-holes get a dirt nap rather than skip out of your own personal responsibility in marching us off this cliff.)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:30 | 4297835 suteibu
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...just in case?

How about no building on the beach...just in case of a tsunami or typhoon?

No building taller than 5 stories...just in case of an earthquake.

No GMO...just in case it might be dangerous.

No vaccines...just in case they lead to autism and other crippling side effects?

There are a lot of causes out there (with far more direct evidence than climate change to draw upon) that should be held to the "just in case" excuse before we embark on this turd.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:39 | 4297853 secured_party-c...
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what about all of the volcanos that have spewled CO2 for billions of years .... liberal "iti"ology


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:48 | 4297882 aardvarkk
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"Do you think that human activity is helping to drive up CO2 levels beyond all prior levels"

The CO2 level has been much, much, MUCH higher before than it is now, if you believe ice core samples.  Also, the level of CO2 in the atmosphere pre-human-activity has been a trailing indicator of temperature rather than a leading indicator.  Nobody has ever explained that one to my satisfaction.


I'm not a climate denier.  I believe climate exists.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:56 | 4298080 augustusgloop
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Exactly- Prior to the rise of photosynthetic organisms, which of course are the "fossils" or fodder for fossils of "fossil fuels." 

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:51 | 4297884 aardvarkk
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"So relax, you folks have actually won this battle against survival already!  Hooray!"

BTW, does this mean you're giving up on survival?  And if that's what you mean, can I have your stuff?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:20 | 4297951 Unstable Condition
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"do you think that the uncertainty of the effects of this CO2 rise should lead one to a conservative choice to curtail further CO2 rise…just in case?"

You sound as if you're peddling a religion instead of science.

I see very little in the way of Uncertainty regarding the effects of CO2, it is actually pretty beneficial.

As far as its negative effects, there are none in the observational record RE: current climate or paleo-climate.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:21 | 4297962 bombdog
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No. Yes probably.

No. No.

No. Don't care.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:05 | 4298253 I Write Code
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>Does CO2 act as a green house gas?

Yes.  But (a) it is present in such a tiny amount compared to water and even methane that it is insignificant, and (b) whatever effect it has it already has, and even raising the concentration by 10 would likely have no further effects.

>(act as a blanket on our planet) leading to global higher temperatures/local climate change)?  Or are global scientists wrong or lying?

I think most of them are incompetent, and that a competent answer to the global effects is either a clear "NO!" or at best an "answer hazy try again later".  Those who say it is "settled science" that it is a clear danger are fools or liars.

>Do you think that human activity is helping to drive up CO2 levels beyond all prior levels

Beyond recent prior levels you mean, like the last million years?  Perhaps.  Probably.  I'm even in favor of steps to reduce it.  I just don't have ANY science that shows it leads to warming, especially that the human activity component leads to warming.

>…and that this could be unsafe?  Or do you think that humans could never damage the planet so as to harm themselves…that the tooth fairy prevents this?

I know humans can damage the planet via deforestation and such.  It is unclear just what else we can do that would harm the ecology to any great degree.  It is unclear whether it is human activity or cyclical changes that are increasing the CO2 levels, quite possibly both.

>Do you believe the researchers from all areas of the globe when they independently confirm tested CO2 levels in the air are higher than ever and that they are rising at a higher rate than ever?  

The measured levels of CO2 are one of the few things where they are credible, yes I believe those numbers.  It's a very easy measurement.

>Or do you think that Al Gore’s mafia is directing these results and that this is just scare mongering?

It's definitely scare-mongering by nontechnical peabrains who may mean well but have no friggin' idea what they are talking about.  And by some entirely dishonest "scientists" who want to get more grant money by frightening the morons.

>Lastly, do you think that the uncertainty of the effects of this CO2 rise should lead one to a conservative choice to curtail further CO2 rise…just in case? 

THere is no uncertainty about the effects - there are none.  There is uncertainty about the cause.  And there is some question about whether there might be some effects if it say doubled again from here.  On that basis, and more on aesthetics than science, and only coincidentally in keeping with "the precautionary principle", as I said I am in favor of modest steps to reduce CO2, mainly cleaning up the coal burning in China, and maybe continuing modest government support for solar and wind - and certainly for advanced nuclear power.

 Thanks for asking, try to relax, and maybe try some online physics courses.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 05:30 | 4298834 Element
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Well at 400ppm CO2, and three icebreakers stuck in heavy pack-ice bought on by repeated blizzards in mid-summer, I'd say we have a falsification of the general thesis. But then again, what's the philosophy of science got to do with having a PhD these days?

Give a seal a few fish and it'll balance a beach ball on the end of its nose for ya.

Same for politicized pop-'science' and their scrupulously peer-reviewed 'balanced' publications.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:02 | 4300552 I Write Code
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A falsification of the general thesis that CO2 concentration corresponds to global warming, yes.  Seventeen years in a row so far of falsification, which puts it in the "settled science" category - that AGW is FALSE!

It's an opportunity to tune up some models, no doubt, as I don't think ANYBODY has ANY model that explains the observed evidence - that is, that corresponds to the observed evidence in any credible and predictive manner.

Nobody really knows WHAT happens at a planetary level if you DO add a billion tons of this or that or the other to the atmosphere.  But the CO2, in particular, seems to do nothing at all.  CO2 only absorbs infrared (heat) in a very narrow range, and if I read the Internet correctly, it absorbs that to extinction in about 30 meters, I think it was, at current concentrations.  So we already have 99% absorption maybe 1000x between ground and stratosphere.  THERE IS NOTHING MORE FOR IT TO ABSORB!  And yet, even that assertion is apparently not common to all models, and the hysteric models all apparently assert the opposite.

Science is hard, even for scientists.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 01:44 | 4301157 Element
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Ah yes, I think I read the same thing recently mate, is this what you were referring to?


Badger says:   
January 3, 2014 at 7:29 pm   
For the life of me, I don’t understand how climate scientists and their religious supporters can spout the CO2 nonsense. My doctoral thesis in 1989 (in Engineering Mechanics) involved the use of an infrared camera, so I had to become acutely aware of the IR absorption characteristics of atmospheric gases. Even a casual glance at the data (see Figure 6.3 in the pdf file linked below – which I just found in a quick internet search) shows that CO2 only has a major IR absorption impact between roughly 4.2 and 4.5 microns, and CO2 was already at saturation effect (100% absorption) in this band before human impact, so further CO2 increases are not going to have a major impact. There is also a sizeable impact of CO2 centered around 15 microns, where H20 achieves ~80% absorption and CO2 takes it up to full saturation. CO2 has a broader absorption band here, but on the far end (>14 microns), H20 is already achieving 100% absorption. Towards the 12 micron end of this absorption band, increasing CO2 levels will cause additional absorption and hence “global warming,” but Beer’s law clearly limits the impact. For all other significant CO2 absorption wavelengths, H20 is already achieving 100% absorption, so take CO2 up to 5,000ppm if you like, it will have no impact in these bands.
If you look at the bottom of Fig. 6.3 (overall IR absorption of the atmosphere) and compare it to the gases shown, I think we know who the real culprit is that keeps the earth warm at night [i.e. H2O], except in desert regions of course. Funny how this very simple desert analogy is never mentioned by the AGW religious zealots.


Comment is in:



If he's right about that (and from remote-sensing studies at UNI many years ago I know he's right on principle, just need to confirm the quantities), it's a bullet to the head for the AGW theory zombie (and also for the whole over-reactive CO2 GW theory theme in general).

This basic physical reality should be fully highlighted and discussed, at length, until people understand that the whole underpinning mechanism of the 'CO2 scare' is deeply suspect and certainly exaggerated out of all proportion. (Then maybe some easily-repeatable demonstration experiments, to fully quantify the true absorption effects of CO2 in atmospheric gas mixture, and some lecture tours with the apparatus itself, to demonstrate in real time the true atmospheric absorption capacity of CO2 within our atmosphere, to show the real saturation limitations, that have simply been almost completely ignored up until now, and merely axiomatically accepted ... incredible that it could even happen .. but true! lol)


Cheers IWC  :-)

(btw, I have to go do stuff and won't be around, so by all means, run with this mate)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:48 | 4298362 Kayman
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Hey- I'm a tree. Thanks for the CO2 for me and my growing family.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:18 | 4298597 el Gallinazo
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Don't despair novictim.  Our owners have been dumping over 20 million tons of toxic oxides of aluminum, barium, and strontium nanoparticles into our statesphere since the late 90's, making us sick and killing the trees.  We call it chemtrails.  They call it geoengineering.  After almost 20 years, they are almost getting ready to admit it.  Thus the big idiot media blitz for "climate change."  Like Lord Bankfiend, they are doing God's work for all us little people.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:59 | 4298740 Lore
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NoVictim's mind is still saturated with snake oil.  He hasn't investigated the salesmen.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:27 | 4297834 post turtle saver
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maybe they need to rename the ship from Snow Dragon to Ass Draggin'

eventually the Russians or the US or Canada will get a ship down there that knows wtf it's doing and the problem will be solved... would especially pay real money to watch a Boomer pop its sail through the ice right next to them and say, "need a ride, bitches? ass gas or grass..."

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 17:31 | 4297845 dogbreath
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I hope the food on that chinese ship is really bad and they are stuck for a while longer.   The extra passengers are going to put a dent in the food supplies very quickly

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:58 | 4298390 Kayman
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In reply to your question.

I get onto Zh sporadically, as I have this other life... I've run plenty of powersaws, but for the guys in my logyard the Husky is lighter and starts in one pull. Bought another 390 a couple of months ago.

Stihl is a good saw too. A bit more cantankerous though. And generally a Stihl has more torque in the cut. We also run 5 foot, 6 foot and 7 foot circular saws- which are a tad bit more productive.

And to the nature of the current argument, I wonder if these ships are solar-powered....

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:33 | 4298495 dogbreath
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Hey K

I have wondered why Stihl doesn't start onn the first pull unless it is warm.   I just run 362's now.   There is always this 4 pull sequence when the saws are cold.  I work out in the deep cold lots and the saws have to warmup (4 sided score) before you work them so I don't ever get bothered by or weight the one pull thing highly.   Husky likes to eat worm gears in cold weather and not because you have summer chain oil in the tank.  Compare a 372xp worm against the worm from the ms362.  The husky is light plastic and the stihl is heavy nylon.  I have never had the worm fail on a stihl but seen huskys eat them repeatedly. I can;t aford the down time.    I was especially impressed with the 14000 rpm of the 361/62.   Sharpened properly running Shell Gold it had all the power I neeed and the speed made ity a very productive saw.  

I've hired these loggers to come slash and they were astonished that their saw ran so well when I mixed the fuel.  I would ask htem what fuel they normally used and they always replied "the cheap stuff".   I think low octane fuel is the leading cause of saw failure other than being  worn out or abuse.   I mix 25 litres at a time and mix it at the pump,  always 50:1.   I also never run old gas.  Ill dump gas in the quad or car and mix fresh if I'm not sure'.   

Excuse me if i sound llike I am lecturing.   I'm writing for anyone who cares to read this from their fallout shelters.   Ialso asked as I figured you to be more than a weekend warrior,  


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:05 | 4298578 Volkodav
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Dolmar is best saw in that class. Makita is same saw, green instead of red.

My purchased used DCS 6401 65 cc usually starts first pull any weather and idles on its own. Pulls over easier than smaller saws, even though higher compression. I sold my same year larger Husky cos this outcut it and lighter.

Stihl is overpriced, especially in used market.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:09 | 4298579 Volkodav
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Double post

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 01:08 | 4298988 dogbreath
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I don't know where you are at but around here there is only one place I knowof that sells Makita.   They do not have parts or service available.  That is not a good thing whan you are 1000 kms away and need somthing.    I think ECHO sell more saws here than DOLMAR.     I only sell used chainsaws and never buy them.   I price mine fairly for their condition.   Chainsaws are tax deductable and therefore there is no point to keep them around and they are in very good condition.   Personally I wouldn't buy a saw older than a 3-5 years if I had to depend on it.   They are an extreme duty tool.

I'll never get a chane to test one out even though back in the ninties the few guys I met that had them loved them.   

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 12:37 | 4299801 Kayman
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Good Morning:

   At the risk of beating this to death. First, as with all equipment, I look to the dealer. If you have a shitty dealer, no matter what you buy, you won't be happy. Especially dealers who's only answer is, " yes we can get that part in tomorrow."  Downtime is a killer and I cannot have that.

   Once Stihl introduced the decompression release it ended busting starter cords and generally ruining a bucker or fallers day. In my experience Huskys and Stihls are roughly on a par; they last about the same when you work them everyday for about a year. Then just throw them away.

As for a Makita- I have used Makita electrics and the ones made in Japan survived fine for odd jobs but since Makita started making stuff in China, I've stopped buying any of their products- it is all junk.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:02 | 4297893 tony wilson
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al bore

mind control for mindless zombies and george clooney matt demon bono un  fucktards.

the bbc now call haarp weather not global warming but global climate change and weather kaos.

they do not talk of olive groves in the uk any more : )

rorthschild taxation and an excuse for chatham house organized billion dollar infrastructure projects prepairing the sheep for the msm wearther wars.

the bbc are talking weather 24-7 so it must be serious it must be true.

this story of frozen ships is not even being mentioned   : )


stop sprayin the alloys and the barium stop fuckin with haarp i say

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:16 | 4297940 RaceToTheBottom
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I am waiting for Putin to swin into the scene and take a rope in his mouth and pull the boats to safety.



Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:32 | 4297987 Unstable Condition
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Great, now I have "Ship of Fools, Robert Plant" running through my head.

At least it has some killer guitar parts....

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:43 | 4298030 Last of the Mid...
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Why would you ever, EVER, want to rescue a global warming scientist stuck on a ship frozen in place in the antartic? The irony is so fine, I love it. Also, clearly, anyone having anything to do with the rescue is seriously interfering with the process of natural selection in such a way as to expect some sort of cosmic wedgie at some point in the future

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:50 | 4298053 rawdawgs
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S.S. Ironysides

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 18:48 | 4298040 Lumberjack
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Furthermore, one individual associated with the tour company, Quark Expeditions, is also affliliated with SAIC, (who changed their name) to Leidos. Again, I am familiar with the energy industry and what happened back in 2000 with energy de-regulation and how it has transpired.
Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:59 | 4298228 Cult of Criminality
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"Ship Sent To Rescue Global Warming Researchers Trapped In Antarctic, Gets Trapped In Antarctic"

Now that is funny.
Oh to live in denial, must be a strange state of mind to be scientists and still be idiots.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 19:58 | 4298235 Cult of Criminality
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Did they rescue the drowning polar bears?

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:33 | 4298756 Lore
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Wrong pole, but you're right: it was another bit of bullshit. 

Polar Bear Propaganda (PDF, 26 pages, Dr. Tim Ball, 2012)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:12 | 4298260 I Write Code
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I thought they announced the Chinese ship was stuck a week ago, even though it's ten miles further out than the original Russian ship.  But the helicopter still works and ferried the passengers out to the Aussie boat. 

What exactly are all these people doing with icebreakers just hanging around Antarctica in mid summer, I have no idea.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 20:50 | 4298367 Jack Burton
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I'll just state the facts and leave the politics to others. The rapid melting of many sectors of Antarctic glaciers has caused a huge increase in fresh water flowing into these antarctic seas. Warming air temps and water temps combine to take out certain areas of ice, while fresh water flowing off the land based glaciers flood fresh water into the seas. It is a fact of physics that fresher waters have higher freezing points while saltier waters freeze at lower temps. The surface ice in some areas, not all by any means, is expanding in lock step with increasing freshness of the waters. This follows the physics to perfection. So yes, by all means some areas have expanding surface ice. Also, the changing ocean winds due to warming air tend now at times to blow the ice back towards Antartica when in decades past, many of them tended to blow forming ice sheets north into warmer waters, thus melting them.

Todays Antartic is doing just what it should do in response to warming air temperatures, waming water, and changing jet stream and ocean current behaviors. Just like the extreme cold heading for the Midwest and New England, the out of whack jet stream caused by a warmer arctic has blocked normal systems with an extreme warm area. This has pushed to polar wind system right down into my Home Town.

Be sure, that Siberia has had massive record warmth since last spring. Many days in the 90. Mass tundra fires, and even last week, most of Siberia was not even going below freezing at night. World wide average temperatures are soaring, but it is not that that truely reflects recent global warming, it is the fast rising ocean water temperatures, even now in the deep layers. Earth is a whole system. Air, Land and Water. Air temps are a fraction of the total heat rise, Land is small, but the Oceans take by far the most heat, thus this is where we are seeing the temperature  rises that melt the arctic and throw the jet stream in the present wild wave pattern.

It would be childish to assume on area of the antarctic having an increase in ice is caused by falling global temperatures. It is simple physics at work. Politics is unable to effect physics or chemistry. I assure you that you have not seen anything yet. When our old friend El nino finally develops again, and the cooling effects of a long term La nina are gone, we will have much to talk about as regard weather induced by climate change. Key the red arrows, I suspect.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 02:34 | 4301207 Element
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Frankly Jack, you don't have a damn clue what you're talking about on this topic. The following large format graph is the hard data, which large sums were spent winning from the Greenland ice-cap's cores, and covers the past 9,000 year interglacial.

There are no politics involved in that graph.

People like you are flying in the face of an avalanche of contrary physical scientific evidence showing the stunningly huge massive natural variability temperature range of Earth - and prior to industrialization.

Variability that makes the current AGW 'scare' look like the Madhatter's joke that it is. Now have a look at that graph, and if you want to take this hard data on, using your flimsy AGW theories or opinions, then by all means, give it a go (Nothing personal Jack, it's just Fight Club, let's enjoy it).

A little exercise; have a look at that graph and see if you can identify why the vikings were able to land on and settle in Greenland around 1,000 AD, and then suddenly had to abandon it - permanently. It might help you grasp a few things about the accuracy and veracity of the dataset. As the graph shows, Greenland can get a hell of a lot hotter than right now (right now it's actually much cooler than normal! lol), and it does to through 100% natural variability.

Now what have you got for us that negates the actual temperature data plot of the past 9,000 years?


Jack shit, right?  ;-)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:00 | 4298395 Paracelsus
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My late Pop was stationed at Macmurdo Sound Station,wintering over,about fifty years ago.Some bigwig VIP Senator swings by for a visit so they break out the scotch for a small party.After a bit someone pipes up,"Where's Senator so and so?".Turns out he had gone for a dump and fell asleep,but the facility was kinda drafty,with swing doors to remove the full 50 gal. drums of turds.He got frostbite on his goolies,kinda painful.

Also the Brits were there with four-wheel drive Massey-Furgeson Ag tractors (with chains).But they didn't want to equip them with outrigger crevasse detection gear."That's for Pussies!".Yep.You guessed it.Ten miles from bases they went down a big ditch.Got everyone rescued okay,broken bones,etc. But they lost alot of fingers and toes.

One thing always impressed me though.There are large deposits of coal there,which could only have been created by a swamp at some point.The Earth once had the poles shifted to the equator.Also,large frozen methane gas deposits in northern Siberia.Same thing,must have been a big swamp at some point,Jurassic era,etc.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:38 | 4298499 Volkodav
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Tomsk is actually built on swamp and is southerly as far as Siberia goes. As best I know north from there is peat and very soft swampy. I knew Lady lived Tomsk/Seversk and worked with oil business north of there. Personnel rode helicopter in and out.


Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:10 | 4298437 Save_America1st
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Those idiots should have been left in Antarctica until global warming freed them :)

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 21:26 | 4298478 pupdog1
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Send that pudgy profiteering lying fuck Gore out there with a hammer and chisel.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:03 | 4298568 el Gallinazo
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Our carbon taxes at work (overtime) :-)  Good thing it's summer in Antarctica.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:20 | 4298601 el Gallinazo
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Our owners have been dumping over 20 million tons of toxic oxides of aluminum, barium, and strontium nanoparticles into our statesphere since the late 90's, making us sick and killing the trees.  We call it chemtrails.  They call it geoengineering.  After almost 20 years, they are almost getting ready to admit it.  Thus the big idiot media blitz for "climate change."  Like Lord Bankfiend, they are doing God's work for all us little people.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 22:35 | 4298628 AchtungAffen
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Again, the comments section of ZH proves to be a horde of ignorant redneckery.

And again this proves that the acceptance of AGW science has nothing to do with science itself but on the shortminded ideology of the ignorant: AGW is way too "commie", "liberal", "socialist" or whatever your preferred red scare is all about.

Thinking that all the scientific bodies of the world are out there in a conspiracy of whatever you want to make it of (I've heard from Carbon Tax to Global Communism...) proves you're no people of science. You're more akin to those who bashed Galileo for his science, based on their own ignorant ideology.

Well, have fun jumping up and down like chimps on news items like this one. And also, bask in your ignorance which does nothing more than gratuitously help the rich and powerful who depend on extracting and burning millions of years of carbon that was underground, right into the atmosphere; in what might be called a geological nanosecond. If you were people of science, people who believe in the scientific method, you'd be worried at such a prospect. You're not. You're just a bunch of ignorant puppets dancing on the threads of the powerful who move you.

Have fun.

Fri, 01/03/2014 - 23:36 | 4298767 Lore
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You haven't investigated the source. Technocracy is science whored.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 00:00 | 4298840 AchtungAffen
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Oh I have investigated the source. And I'm not sure what you're talking about. Yet when governing, you can't escape reality. And the most accurate description of reality we have comes through science.

And if it was just "rulers" trying to impose the science, nowadays the debate would be much different. There would be a tacit acknowledgment of the science and the necessary measures would have been taken. But considering that Oil companies would lose over 80% of their market caps, it's only natural to believe that AGW denial comes from there; rather than some imposition by would be totalitarian rulers.

Keep on dancing on their threads and have fun. While it lasts...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 01:44 | 4299049 Lore
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Deprogramming takes time.  I was stuck deep in the matrix until a few years ago.  You need to reconsider blind faith in institutions, which are, after all, run by people, hence prone to hijacking and manipulation by sociopathic elements. Consider occult terms like "Scientific Priesthood."  Stop thinking of science in the schoolbook sense, and start thinking of it instead as a policy vehicle for powerful, selfish interests.  "Global Warming" is one false flag among many brought forward "in searching for an enemy to unite us." 

The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves. - V.I. Lenin

Fight the urging to think in terms of 'sides.'  THERE ARE NO 'SIDES.'  ALL ARE OWNED. 

Suggested reading:  "The Prince" by Macchiavelli

Hope this helps.  Rgds


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