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The NSA Responds To Bernie Sanders Whether It Spies on Congress

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Yesterday, in what we characterized as an episode of a "real life magic-mushroom, banana dictatorship envisioned by George Orwell" gone full retard, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders asked the NSA point blank whether it has "spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?" Today, via the Bezos Post, we got the answer: "Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons," the spokesman said, which thanks to Edward Snowden, we now know for a factor are precisely none (for those still unconvinced, please see: "The Complete Guide To How The NSA Hacked Everything"). "We are reviewing Sen. Sanders’s letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Sen. Sanders, have information about NSA’s mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties." In other words, of course.

More from WaPo:

The answer is telling. We already know that the NSA collects records on virtually every phone call made in the United States. That program was renewed for the 36th time on Friday. If members of Congress are treated no differently than other Americans, then the NSA likely keeps tabs on every call they make as well.

 

It's a relief to know that Congress doesn't get a special carve-out (they're just like us!). But the egalitarianism of it all will likely be of little comfort to Sanders."

Of course, it is no surprise that the US superspies spy on Congress. After all they spy on everyone. But the bigger question is if the NSA is itself, by implication, above the checks and balances of the US legislative apparatus, just who is in charge of determining the targets of the most powerful spying agency in the history of the world? In other words, who watches the watchmen? And just how is any of this even remotely legal?

 


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Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:42 | Link to Comment VD
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why The Fed is in charge of it all, bc The Fed is owned by the 1% (PDs et al.) so obvious it's hard to see.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:47 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons:  NONE 

 Everyone and anyone is a target.  That's how blackmail works, in a corrupt government.

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:49 | Link to Comment outofideas
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That answer is pretty much "That is a nice banana republic you have there congresman, it would be a shame if something happened to it" type of answer.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:55 | Link to Comment ghengis86
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Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data...

 

of course they spy on everyone, including senatros.  And then hand it over to Israel and probably other foreign interests as well.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:08 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Edward Snowden for President

And an early death for all Constitutional traitors!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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I'd take Ron Paul or Gary Johnson in 2016.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:18 | Link to Comment remain calm
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Another words Bernie, "we can see you jerking off while you watch porn via the webcam on your computer".

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:33 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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I hear Snowden is a few bucks short over there in Russia...

Is there any way we can send him cash without our testicles being crushed or it being sucked up by the scumbag fucking lawyers who will not work for him pro bono?

A million people at $10 bucks a pop will make him and the subsequent rush of other NSA defectors rich and us free again.

We all owe it to him.

 

SERIOUSLY...   ANYONE?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:31 | Link to Comment gherman
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I summon... FONESTAR!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:38 | Link to Comment nmewn
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ROTFL!!!...there ya go...our resident BitMillionaire surely believes in good causes, problem solved!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:47 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Maybe Bernie and bunch of his privileged colleagues should be concerned about being on the wrong side during the inevitable Night of the American Long Knives.   

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:53 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Hey, Congress!  How you feeling about those FISA court protections now?  Pretty confident, would be my guess, right?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:04 | Link to Comment ghengis86
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now, if we could get a senator to ask the NSA if they spy on Pres Choomwagon and the Supremes.  that would be fun

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:07 | Link to Comment espirit
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It's like lighting a fire that will consume you, Bernie.

Think Fukushima.

Dudes an idiot, outlived his usefullness, or both.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Richard Chesler
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Raises hand slowly...

Does that include Diane Frankestein?

 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 01:09 | Link to Comment MrPalladium
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 02:41 | Link to Comment Stuart
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This is NOT what the original founders of the constitution had in mind, when they wrote "We The People..."

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 03:46 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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The founders were masonic, slave owning, England and french loving men who were sent to conquer the new atlantis.

The story of the US as known by most is one of the modern era's truly great lies. Kind of like India's "freedom" from the UK.

 

Believe nothing...

ori

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 05:44 | Link to Comment MeMadMax
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Obama is laughing all the way to his latest NSA intellegince meeting...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:00 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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The NSA did categorically deny it......right?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 09:40 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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"The founders were masonic, slave owning, England and french loving men who were sent to conquer the new atlantis."

True, but that does not mean they were wrong about everything.  A more intelligent reaction is to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A more humane reaction is to place oneself in the founders' shoes and ask how you would have dealth w/slavery for example. They came into this system (they did not invent it) and had to deal w/it as it was.  Did they do a good job w/it?  No, but what would you have done in their place?  The question is relevant, b/c we are confronted w/a different manifestation of same problem today.  We are in a slave pen, which is steadily getting smaller.  How do you propose we deal w/it, and are you leading and living your life consistent w/your proposal(s)?  

Incidentally, although most know this, it's worth re-emphasizing that the call to "believe nothing" is still a belief system.  Good luck w/that.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:30 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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WS, most of what you say is true. But believe nothing is a catchall to say believe nothing but what your own, inner, finely honed sense of discrimination tells you.

Thing is, truth IS stranger than fiction by far and thus for most people, is okay to in-joy, but for Enter-Attain-Ment only.

ori

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:17 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Good to see you commenting, ORI. I don't buy into your word-plays, but you nearly got the plot right! An event in 1773 caused certain people - using Masonic connections - to take over the New World ... in order to gain a base from which to again attempt to take over the Old World (oh...and now the whole world).

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:41 | Link to Comment Ranger4564
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You're welcome to justify whatever belief system you want, but your argument has no merit. I agree with the parts where you ask one to step into that situation, but a truly intelligent person would be more an independent thinker and less constrained by their culture. Look at science or the enlightenment period for good examples of individuals who appear to have truly broken free of cultural limitations. Think for yourself is not an empty phrase... and believe nothing is not a belief system equivalent to believe everything you're told.

If you truly live through life believing almost nothing and questioning everything with every bit of new information that enters your awareness, you will find old 'facts' being dismissed. If you hold some 'truths' to be sacred, then you've lost grip of reality and are merely living in your preferred fantasy.

Additionally, much of what we know came from sources which may have been under the control of nefarious characters. Just because it can be read and corroborated by many sources doesn't mean that information was not manipulated / distorted.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Milestones
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For an exploration of this notion read historian Charles Beard's book from 1917 "An Economic Interpetation of the U.S. Constitution" An eye opener for most Americans (Whoops--Merkans)                Milestones

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 03:26 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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AmeriKa, land of serf, home of the naive.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:03 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Under the same protection.....that doesn't sound good.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:16 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Land of the fee, home of the slave.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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The answer is obvious since they insisted he accept a Blackberry since it is "secure".   He also has a rooted iPad.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-forced-stick-blackberry-s...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:15 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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A better question would be how many calls they've made to their accountants.

Next, they'll be squeezed like the rest of us via blackmail. Is that PC?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:53 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Oh, I feel so much better knowing that I have the same protection as Congress-critters.  I wonder if each and all of them have compromised to the NSA info...

Boo!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:54 | Link to Comment old naughty
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as ORI indicated yesterday" "he could be gaming the egamers"

Do WE want the truth?

WE can't handle the truth !?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:05 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Element
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Stop messing with my text reader, bastard.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:35 | Link to Comment spankfish
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Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:08 | Link to Comment Mad Muppet
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I sadly expect Do Chen will soon have some serious labor problems, tax problems, etc. Big Brother has a long arm, and many evil servants. But then, they can decrypt most commercial encryption software anyway, right?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:14 | Link to Comment rehypothecator
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I recognize that. Those digits occur in the decimal expansion of pi.  And in the decimal expansion of sqrt(2).  In fact, they occur at the same starting digit location in the cube roots of two integers, which, however, I'm not at liberty to discuss.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:31 | Link to Comment odatruf
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Fuck, you hacked my ZH password!

 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 02:56 | Link to Comment Brindle702
Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:41 | Link to Comment edotabin
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"Oh, I feel so much better knowing that I have the same protection as Congress-critters"

Yeah, we just don't get the same medical coverage.

Either way, the most telling thing is what Bernie will do with that answer. Most here are just concerned citizens behind a keyboard.  Bernie can actually do something almost immediately.  Let's see.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:13 | Link to Comment InnerG
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Make sure to hold your breathe

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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His name was Fonestar...

 

...and he changed the world by sending Eddy Snowden some Bitcoins.

-Chapter 2 Earth history pre-crash of 2014-

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:00 | Link to Comment Never One Roach
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In other words, Bernie:

 

"Up your nose with a rubber hose!"

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:41 | Link to Comment kill switch
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Well it's now obvious that we have no representative government when the NSA spies on all reps.... They all have shit to hide.....That's why we have no progress in the representatives in this corrupt system.... voting is know relevant...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:02 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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Well, it explains why all those Republicans in Congress that were vehemently denouncing the loss of rights under The Patriot Act and all ended up voting FOR it in lockstep under Bush.  

It also explains why the wholesale spying started long BEFORE 9/11.  Had to collect the dirt on everyone, find the skeletons in thier closets, BEFORE the voting on all the legislation that gutted the Constitution.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:39 | Link to Comment oddball
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Also insider trading is legal for ALL these assholes.  

 

"NSA, we blackmail you, but we let you and your cronies 'profit' from the experiance."™ 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:55 | Link to Comment PT
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... and I would bet that there are quite a few innocent people out there who, unbeknown to them,  couldn't get a job because there wan't enough dirt on them.

Not long ago here we had a whistleblower's fraudulent past brought into the spotlight (just in time for the media to ignore her complaints).  My first thought at the time was, "With so many good people out there, how did they end up hiring a fraud?  Why didn't they discover her past before she tried do bring some dirt into the light?" 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:42 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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It explains Bush and Obama.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:17 | Link to Comment freefall
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I'm in for $10 if there is a secure (oh geez where did that word come from?!) way to get it to him.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:28 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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Greenwald would probably pass it along to ES.  Does Greenwald come onto ZH?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:59 | Link to Comment chemystical
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The name 'Bunny Swanson' struck an old memory but I wasn't sure from where, so I searched the Net.  The only thing I came up with were multiple obits for a mostly obscure woman who died in Dec 2013.  You've been a ZH'er for > 3 years.  So, um, what's up with that?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Dinero D. Profit
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Inellectual protest and civil disobedience.

One could send Eric Holder a check for $10 with instructions to hold it in trust for the Snowden Patriotic Legal Defence Fund.

One million people should do this.

(Ths cost of doing this is being harrassed by the TSA to the first degree. Never mind.) 

 

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:22 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Great, so putting the phrase "Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons" into my magical Wordulatron 3000 with v15.3 linguistic parsers, that phrase translated from NSA parlance to standard human is, "Yes".

I am Chumbawamba.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:06 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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Paging James Clapper...   James Clapper for perjury please...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:09 | Link to Comment escargot
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Dude, it's "in other words", not "another words".  Please adjust future posts accordingly.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:21 | Link to Comment Seal
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It is far more likely Obomba cancels elections via martial law and stays in office [then goes on vacation in HI] leaving DoD, NSA et al to govern

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:34 | Link to Comment max2205
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I'd pay 1k for shumers file

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 02:16 | Link to Comment Nikao7
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and lets throw Lindsey Graham's hat in the ring to ;)

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:38 | Link to Comment max2205
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I'd pay 1k for shumers file

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:05 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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For 16 trillion you could probably buy Obama's file.

 

None of the major networks have that kind of coin.....which is why we probably don't know all that much about him.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:11 | Link to Comment flacon
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Nice use of leagaleze: PERSON = CORPORATION. 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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= LEGAL FICTION

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:15 | Link to Comment sleigher
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exactly, although the definition changes a bit depending on what section of the code you are in.  

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:37 | Link to Comment post turtle saver
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no shit, whatever you do don't say the word "citizen" 'cause that's a whole different thing

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:52 | Link to Comment darteaus
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You are scary.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:12 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Had a neighbor come over today asking about the honeydipper working. Got in to a conversation re: NSA & Snowden. Immediately, I was told he was a traitor. When I asked why the answer I got was...

drumroll...

"Because I Work For The Gubmint". You would think just working & witnessing the goings on in the VA would be a clue.

Slavery will be embraced & loved, no doubt about it. 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:54 | Link to Comment TheMeatTrapper
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You should bitch slap your neighbor and then spit in his face. 

 

When he asks why you did that, tell him "Because you work for the government, bitch".

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:22 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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They are good people. Do you bitch slap & spit in everyone's face that's clueless?

I planted seeds. Showed them the last 4 min. of AppleBOMB's 30c3. Believe me, those seeds started to germinate. Incremental it will be. Most people cannot take the upending of everything they've believed their whole life to be a lie.

This person is a respiratory therapist at the VA. 

Education is the key not alienation.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:42 | Link to Comment akak
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Sorry, but you are wrong, very wrong --- if your neighbor automatically believes that Snowden is a 'traitor', and moreover gives you such a lame and irrational reason for making that judgement, then no, she is NOT a good person.  She is in fact a very stupid and complicit person.  I would refuse to have any dealiings her.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Wen_Dat
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Unfortunately you are correct
That means most the people we know

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:22 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Everyone who works for the government is a government dependent. Dependent upon government for a wage.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 16:10 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Sorry Akak, you are wrong IMO. 

I lost my only child to suicide 2 1/2 yrs ago. These people brought me food & took care of my acreage when I was paralyzed with grief.  

Perhaps you & meat trapper would not be grateful for such a gesture. Would you turn it away under the circumstances? I doubt it.

I was & still am grateful for the compassion they've continually displayed. 

Then lens in which you view people needs to be broadened. I'll take them anyday over the motherfucker across the road that called the cops on my kid because they saw him pop a dog shitting in my yard with an airsoft gun and then stalked him everyday after he got home from school while I was at work. 

You see this landed gentry haggis head let his doberman run loose and charge everyone in the neighborhood. He'd been told numerous times to restrain it by many. I took a baseball bat just to go to the mailbox. Someone finally shot it. Fuckin idiot waited 3 days to take it to the vet. Drowned in it's own blood. You see an airsoft gun killed it, right? My kid's fault. I wouldn't piss down his throat if his guts were on fire. Why do you think he targeted my kid for his irresponsible behavior? Foreclosure proceedings that his mommy & daddy bailed him out of.

Pick your battles. Life & people are a bit more complex than being fucked 9 ways to Sunday by .gov & banksters.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:14 | Link to Comment chemystical
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Aye, and following the Stasi model, you can be certain that she either 1) reported you to her superiors, or 2) will do so when asked or pressured to.

Their "Us vs Them" dichotomy is as fully-ingrained as is ours.  I have no interest in de-programming "them".  I don't ascribe to WTSHTF fears, but if the shit does hit the fan, would you take one of "them" into your fold and cross your fingers hoping that they won't expose you? 

"When they cease to be useful, useful idiots will still be idiots"

Chem c. 1984

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 03:46 | Link to Comment Joenobody12
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"  They are good people. Do you bitch slap & spit in everyone's face that's clueless? ""

There is a time you should be polite and nice to people and there is a time when you should hit htem over their numb skull especially when they say fuck you and your belief politely. 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:31 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Back to the old thing about how hard it is to get someone to understand something when their livelyhood depends on them not understanding

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:27 | Link to Comment Seer
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At this point the jury is still out on Snowden:

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-799-questioning-the-snowden-story...

And here's with Sibel Edmonds talking about this, talking about Greenwald:

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-798-what-is-greenwald-covering-up...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:32 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Games witin games within games....

You have to choose what to believe, but only after some serious research.

I doubt he's perfect, but then who is? {  except for me, of course;-) }

I feel like giving him the benefit of the doubt - he's risked a lot.

 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:05 | Link to Comment i-dog
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[With my tinfoil hat firmly secured,] I see this pitch from [Ashkenazi] Sanders as being the first obvious step towards what I described as the planned eventual Jesuit-Hegelian "synthesis" in my post of Dec 25 (and others prior):

Problem: Announce to the world that the US government is spying on everything done by everyone in every country.

Reaction: "Say it aln't so! They can't do that! It's rude! It's unconstitutional! Make them stop!"

Solution: Move oversight of the spying operation from the US government to an "independent" [international...ie.globalist] body that will ensure "fairness" and "transparency".

The public will lap it up. "Mission Accomplished!" ... LOL.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:15 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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+ 1 for the Hegelian dialectic...lol

The greater the cognitive dissonance this imbues and the resultant faith (which really equals self-doubt and repressed fear) in Statism, the greater the hold on the zombie masses.

They've been at this mind control game for awhile...looks like one of their first forays in going Global....the medium (Internet) is the message...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 07:52 | Link to Comment tradewithdave
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A triple entry accounting blockchain for all communications and all transactions. Where have I read about that "Third Metric?"

Oh yeah... Omidyar interviewing Huffington in Hawaii. Also in the Book of Revelation. By the way, wasn't that the same guy who scrubbed both colmado_naranja and Wikileaks access to MC/Visa via EBay?

You can get to the bottom of the story and cause of death from plane crashes through Honolulu Civil Beat. Sorry... cancel that...he owns that too. Fuddy duddy.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:16 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Thanks for the post I-dog.

Had no idea till I looked him up.

Theater, that is all. 

He'll probably get a very large refund from the IRS for his academy award winning preformance.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:58 | Link to Comment palmereldritch
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Perhaps this may prove to be the primary synthesis of the false Hegelian dialectical choice that is a potential limited hangout called Edward Snowden:

"Yes congresscritters you are most assuredly being surveilled.  Submit to and accept our blackmail like your sheeple constituents in the normalcy bias that will follow the charade of the amnesty for Snowden in return for him not releasing the 99% of the files he was never going to release anyways....Oh, and lets write some laws to insure that this 'whistle blowing'...sorry breach of pedestrian, re-treaded or previously exposed behaviour can't happen again...Let's call it the Transparency Act..."  

Someone in the Mockingbird media should write an editorial or something...oh, wait

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/02/opinion/edward-snowden-whistle-blower....

When someone reveals that government officials have routinely and deliberately broken the law, that person should not face life in prison at the hands of the same government. That’s why Rick Ledgett, who leads the N.S.A.’s task force on the Snowden leaks, recently told CBS News that he would consider amnesty if Mr. Snowden would stop any additional leaks. And it’s why President Obama should tell his aides to begin finding a way to end Mr. Snowden’s vilification and give him an incentive to return home.

[Emphasis mine]

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 03:56 | Link to Comment starfcker
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wait seek, how is the jury still out on snowden? in the space of a couple of months, we know more about the NSA spying on americans than in the history of the republic. want change? snowden threw out the first pitch. it's going to be impossible to put this one back in the barn. step back, give it some time. this one is not going away.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:48 | Link to Comment chemystical
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Greenwald = gay jew on one "side" of a false dichotomy.    What was it that Lenin said about controlling the opposition by leading the opposition?

What Sibel failed to mention during that discussion of Greenwald's abject refusal to discuss his connections was that PayPal is as kosher an organization as you'll find and is run by folks inextricably intertwined with D.C. and their co-religionists therein.

Bear in mind also that after receiving his JD Greenwald went to work for Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz.  Reportedly the most profitable large law firm in the world and one of the most difficult to be hired by (as vetting is at least as important as your legal acumen), they represented, for example, Larry Silverstein in his gazillion dollar insurance fraud arising from the WTC towers, ahem, collapse on 9/11.

In my life in the US and abroad I've repeatedly seen Jews as the public faces on both "sides" of debates/issues.  30 yrs ago I watched Jew vs Jew take "sides" on a talking heads show when the issue was Palestine.  My immediate thought was, "WTF?  The producers couldn't find a Palestinean to, ahem, represent the Palestineans?"  Subsequent to that I've witnessed this same bullshit false dichotomy played out over and over again.

Jews are supposedly a large voting block of liberals.  Then how was it that GW Bush had so many infesting his campaign and his regime?  Ditto those of other conservatives'.  And why so many at the head of 'conservative' publications? 

The ACLU supposedly represents "us", but from their inception they've been founded and funded and run by Jews.  Who do they "represent" "us" against?  Well, the government of course!  Um, would that be the Zio-occupied government?  What's this supposed "V" where the good aliens ally with humans against the bad aliens?

I'm NOT an anti-semite, because these folks have less semitic DNA than my dog.  Yeah, "anti-semitism" is a disease...you catch it from being around jews.

 

 

 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:12 | Link to Comment foytik
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Snowden for president ? I like it! Unfortunately he will only be 33 and a half in January 2017, and the constitution requires the president to be 35. But after Obama, why should that matter ?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Victorio
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Snowden and Greenwald are controlled opposition.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9K5I8SIwoM

I just wonder wether they were compromised at some point or on board all along.  

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:20 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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While insisting that the Israelis operate with deference to the US Constitution and law, the memo adds, “This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law.” In other words, in practice ISNU and the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad are free to do as they please..

Why did Obama hand over all NSA spying data on Americans to Israel without any legal restrictions early in his first term (March 2009)?  Was he paying off the powerful Zionist families in Chicago that backed his political career? Does Israel hand over all its data over to US in return (no mention of reciprocity in the memo though)?

Why has no US politician ever commented on this scandal?

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/13/surv-s13.html



 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:22 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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JustObserving - Why has no US politician ever commented on this scandal?

 

That would be antisemitic.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 09:00 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Cause waterboarding sucks?

 

...and who's ever paying for the Christie ads here......no......I don't like fat progressives. We've already got Obama....why the hell would we need Christie?

 

But if Tyler wants to keep taking your money.....I'm totally cool with it.

 

The only reason Bernie Sanders commented on it is because he's a marxist.....which means he has immunity......which instantly makes me a little skeptical about this whole pony show.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 09:11 | Link to Comment nmewn
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It is kinda funny when you think about it, massive statists (pun intended) feigning concern over massive statism...lol.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:49 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Same reason all Members of Congress stand up and give Netanyahu a standing ovation when he comes to town... THEY ARE OWNED!

 

I expect eventually all Americans will be treated with the same degree of generosity reserved for the dispossessed and caged Palestinian...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:13 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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That was so prescient.  It is already happening, the Israelification of US Police forces:

The extreme militarization of American police forces has been brought to public attention by the tactics employed against Occupy protesters, which often appear more appropriate to counter-terrorism operations than to the control of non-violent protest. According to investigative journalist Max Blumenthal, however, the proper term for this ruthless suppression of dissent should be “Israelification.”

In an article which begins with examples of American police training alongside Israeli security forces, Blumenthal writes, “Having been schooled in Israeli tactics perfected during a 63 year experience of controlling, dispossessing, and occupying an indigenous population, local police forces have adapted them to monitor Muslim and immigrant neighborhoods in US cities. Meanwhile, former Israeli military officers have been hired to spearhead security operations at American airports and suburban shopping malls, leading to a wave of disturbing incidents of racial profiling, intimidation, and FBI interrogations of innocent, unsuspecting people. The New York Police Department’s disclosure that it deployed ‘counter-terror’ measures against Occupy protesters encamped in downtown Manhattan’s Zuccotti Park is just the latest example of the so-called War on Terror creeping into every day life. Revelations like these have raised serious questions about the extent to which Israeli-inspired tactics are being used to suppress the Occupy movement.”

But already, the Israelification of American law enforcement appears to have intensified police hostility towards the civilian population, blurring the lines between protesters, common criminals, and terrorists.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/04/report-israeli-model-underlies-mil...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:45 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Israel sucks. But why do they have to give back land which was captured during war? Attack my home and if I end up kicking your pass back to your home you do not get shit  back. 

I know am going to get a bunch of flack for this, but if this is fair, Russia owes a shitload to a shitload of countries.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:40 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Taking it back to ridiculous lengths, could I sue the French for the Norman invasion of England, given I have Saxon roots?

But then could the Danes sue me for the Saxons disposessing them?

The greedy, power hungry bastards owe reparations to those they have stolen from.

The key concept here, for me, is that theft is wrong. Simply that.

I don't want to steal from anybody, and I sure as hell don't want anyone stealing from me.

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:55 | Link to Comment Dinero D. Profit
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In this epoch, keeping land captured in a war of aggression is a no, no. (Ask the Nazi Germans, ask the UN.)

The '67 war was a war of Israeli aggression. an unjustified pre-emptive war.  (Ask the Arabs, read the memoirs of Israeli generals, read the Cato institute report on the History of US Intervention in the ME.)

 

Also:  When I up-vote, sometimes, the counter jumps ahead by 3, sometimes 4.  WTF? 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:02 | Link to Comment BigJim
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When you vote, the page updates the votes - you're seeing other people's votes between the time you originally loaded the page and when you up/downvoted

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 03:51 | Link to Comment Joenobody12
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Israel now have our entire congress by the balls. Say anything negative against the Jewish homeland and we will expose your kiddie porn habbit for all the world to see. 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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"probably other foreign interests"

wake me up when the Five Eyes agreement is discussed. It will be fun

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:21 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Interesting how the history of the Five Eyes (Australia, the US, Canada, New Zealand and the UK) can be traced back to the City of London Corporation.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:37 | Link to Comment bunnyswanson
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http://rt.com/news/europe-nuclear-explosion-china-440/

It has been determined this nuclear explosion depicted in this pic is over London.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 04:49 | Link to Comment joe90
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Echelon .... each agrees to spy only on the others, circumventing laws restricting spying on their own citizens.  Who gets to see the results??

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:40 | Link to Comment booboo
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"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons,"
Why them dirty bastards, they have down graded us to "persons". We used to at least hold consoooomer status in 2013.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:19 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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They mean persona non grata, as in farm animals to be herded, milked, sheared, and slaughtered as it suits them.

We are truly not human to them, in other words, the irony being that they are not human on account of this fact.

It is fun, though, to watch the NSA spit in the face of Congress, especially as we await Snowden's confirmation of the NSA's "oversight."

 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:55 | Link to Comment masterinchancery
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Well then......

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:54 | Link to Comment malikai
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Mouthpiece: "Members of congress have the same protections as US citizens."

Translation: "Yes, we know about your drug and sexual habits, Mr. Sanders."

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:39 | Link to Comment resurger
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The congress men thought they are special! hahahahahahaha

Surprise Pitches!

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:44 | Link to Comment Seer
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Again, this wasn't about Sanders trying to learn any truth.  It was about getting it on the record and in posting it all up in the face of Congress.  Clearly the line has been drawn as to whether Congress wants to join the people or it wants to join the NSA.  True that neither is a safe harbor, but at least with the people should anyone in that group do an unspeakable act the act will be disclosed through trial.  With the NSA nothing needs to be said, one can disappear and there is NO accounting to be had.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:02 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Actually the NSA sends all raw data to Israel first where all the incriminating stuff on Bernie and all Americans is stripped out first.

Thanks to Israel all Americans need not worry who may use this information against them or try to control them.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/11/the-nsa-is-...

Someone should be shot for that.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Well if that's not treason, I'm not sure what would be.

Any time they want to, a "brave, heroic" general or Federal judge could stop this. But they won't. Why is that?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:44 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Same reason all Members of Congress stand up and give Netanyahu a standing ovation when he comes to town... THEY ARE OWNED!

 

I expect eventually all Americans will be treated with the same degree of generosity reserved for the dispossessed and caged Palestinian...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Zero

You know, once upon a time I would have disagreed with you. But these days...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:05 | Link to Comment Tim_
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The US government wants to make all medical records electronic, so the NSA can turn them over to "Israel."

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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Too many Secrets...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Seize Mars
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Setec Astronomy

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Clever Name
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Since the NSA is under the DoD, does it stand to reason that Hagle is ultimately in charge of all of this?

The SecDef is responsible for spying on his own citizens?

Something about a boot on a human face...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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Haggle is a mouthpiece.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Five8Charlie
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Obama is the head of the executive branch. He's the one ultimately responsible.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:21 | Link to Comment Clever Name
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Yes, to both of you. I was thinking along the lines of using this point to others, especially older others. I grasp at straws sometimes, but I try to come up with anything to wake people up.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:41 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Surely you jest. Obama has no more control of the United States Government than W did, or Clinton or Bush I before him. The "fascilists" long ago took control of it— http://archive.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo172.html — and anyone who actually took it on would be assassinated.

Just like JFK was:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/the-jfk-assassination-and-cover-up

(And, no, I'm not a JFK apologist.)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:11 | Link to Comment The Count
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How naive and overly simplistic. As if the JFK thing and whats happening now is simply a "right wing" issue.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:02 | Link to Comment Greenskeeper_Carl
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yep. This pretty much seals that. All decisions are made by unelected people within the govt/fed, and those in congress are just there to keep the illusion we have an elected government who works for us alive. In reality, there is probably a file on most/all of them that will be 'leaked' should they step out of line. All this shit about the patriot act, people speaking againt it then still voting for it. Same shit with obamacare. "looks like you enjoy those prositutes, congressman, itd be a shame if your district found out about them'

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:15 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:33 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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more like free every single one of those fucking files he gave to Greenwald to get filthy rich off of...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:21 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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You did good exposing the kiddie porn ring.....but technically it was still a treasonous act.

 

Set the spin cycle to full max.......engage.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Seer
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Can someone get Snowden to comment on whether he accepts Greenwald sitting on information about our government's illegal activities (which, by sitting on it, allows it to continue longer- hardly a "service" to the "people" [it's the people's information, not Greenwald's; and not Snowden's either])?

I stand by Sibel Edmonds as being authentic.  And if she believes that this question needs to be answered before bestowing a real "whistleblower" award on Snowden then I'm in agreement.

That Greenwald is being accepted by the mainstream media and is being given money to start up a media venture (thus holding up OUR information- which makes it look like he's profiting off of this, which then does meet tests for treason) by someone whose company blocked funding to Wikileaks, um...

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-798-what-is-greenwald-covering-up...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 06:55 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:45 | Link to Comment nmewn
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With all due respect Seer, the motivation of Snowden was to expose the massive scope of the US governments spying on ALL its citizens, in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment in particular, which led to revelations & admissions that most other so-called "civilized countries" were doing much the same thing on the whole. 

Period.

Now, he has no control over what Greenwald is sitting on once he gives it to him and it should be remembered why Greenwald even has it to sit on in the first place. Snowden had to share it with someone(s) in order to secure it. For him now (Snowden) to comment on what Greenwalds motivations are is to drive a wedge between them.

Who or what entities would want to do that?

As far as I'm concerned, his "service to the people" has already been done. He is in fact a whistleblower and a patriot in my view and the US government is still very much collecting everything it was collecting before, even with Snowdens revelations that we now know about...so it hasn't stopped.

Furthermore, there is a larger reason for the Fourth Amendment. The founders did not want general warrants issued upon the people AT ALL...by kings or centralized governments or dictatorial presidents for whatever reason. For example, some look at the Third Amendment as something archaic and not relevant to modern society anymore...but that is another example what the state is not allowed to do without going through great pains and popular uprisings & dissent to do, it speaks to the abuse of centralized power, the power to issue princely edicts and/or warrants on a whim.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:21 | Link to Comment AldoHux_IV
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Russ Tice (NSA whistleblower) FTW back before obummer was a glimmer in the eye of the inbred fed

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Millivanilli
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PHEW.   For a second I THOUGHT our representative democracy had been lost.   Cough. Cough.

 

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:48 | Link to Comment booboo
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A what?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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Since Congress is protected like everyone else sign them up for ObamaCare.

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:46 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Put Congress on Mon Wage

Send their families gto Fukashima to clean up, Kids and all 

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:47 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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uNSAvory

iNSAtiable

iNSAne

NSA

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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National 

Spying

Agency

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:09 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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National

Stasi

Assholes

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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Nazi

Surveillance

Agency

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:49 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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Hey NSA!  Get FUCKED you worthless hive of shiteating vermin!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Obey Bitchez!

/sarc

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:48 | Link to Comment The Answer Is 42
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Does Obama enjoy the same privacy protection as the rest of us?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:47 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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So sorry, he has the same the same privacy protection as all US persons.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:14 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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You don't allow a figurehead in the Presidency (be it W or Obama) if you don't have them TOTALLY under control.    The CIA/NSA/Intelligence aparatus has had a hand in the selection of every president since Reagan (who had Herbert Walker - former CIA head - running foreign affairs and far more).  After Carter tried to rein in the CIA - and was set up big time for his efforts - those in the intelligence servisces have made sure they had the Presidency in their pocket.  Look at all the Iran-CONTRA pardons.  Clinton - head of the 'Peoples Republic of Arkansas' (as the CIA referred to the place) proved he would be cooperative - look up Mena Arkansas, CONTRA training, drug running, weapons smuggling and tons of cash.  The Bushes - well no need to explain with them.  And even with Obama  lots of issues with Mom and her parents - heavy links to 'The Company' which may account for some of O's own activities.   

I actually think Obama was a construct to defuse the outrage against W - couldn't have a REAL 'leftist' Democrat get the nomination.   The economic conditions were perfect for another FDR - and THAT was the LAST thing TPTB wanted.   Hillary (a proven 'team' player) was SUPPOSED to get the nomination but misjudged how fed up the populace were.  They fell for the 'Hope and Change' marketing and - surprise - Obama got the nomination...... though that meant some careless loose ends had to be dealth with......

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Last of the Mid...
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The race card was played masterfully. Nobody checked to see what this nice black man who's ancestors were surely slaves stood for. I don't care if the president is black white or yellow, but this guy went to the head of the line in ways too numerous to mention because of his color. That is the lesson we should take from electing this telepromptor reading cardboard cut-out of man persident. Her is nothing, a sham, a shill for the powers that used him and use him they did to hold our complete economy hostage to their desires.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:01 | Link to Comment Dinero D. Profit
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Not so fast.

Obama was the elected President of Harvard Review by his peers.

Harvard has a class of 500 and the top 40 are on the Review.  After year one exams, 20 students with the highest exam scores are invited to the Review.  (Also, another 20 are invited by way of scoring the highest on an almost impossible legal editing examination.)

Nobody has any special advantages.  Harvard Review is 100% by merit.

 

 

 

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:06 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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The CIA was DIRECTLY responsible for LBJ becoming President.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Withdrawn Sanction
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LBJ (what a great set of initials....kinda Spanish in a way) had a hand in it too.  See Bobby Baker scandal, and Billy Sol Estes scandal and in particular when the Senate was scheduled to vote on his articles of impeachment.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:19 | Link to Comment moonshadow
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persons? as opposed to...citizens?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:47 | Link to Comment logicalman
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human beings, as opposed to citizens or persons (aka corporate fictions)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 05:45 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Logical man, actually even human beings were defined as "Sea Monsters" in some a not so long past Black's Law Dick-tionary.

And since you are into this kind of stuff, look up Kate of Gaia, Motu Proprio, I am the witness....

If you have not already heard their stuff, prepare to have your mind BLOWN.

ori

 

I can find links if anyone is seriously interested. The game is a deep one.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:40 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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we are haunted by language to be deaf to the sound of our own creation.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!