The NSA Responds To Bernie Sanders Whether It Spies on Congress

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Yesterday, in what we characterized as an episode of a "real life magic-mushroom, banana dictatorship envisioned by George Orwell" gone full retard, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders asked the NSA point blank whether it has "spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?" Today, via the Bezos Post, we got the answer: "Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons," the spokesman said, which thanks to Edward Snowden, we now know for a factor are precisely none (for those still unconvinced, please see: "The Complete Guide To How The NSA Hacked Everything"). "We are reviewing Sen. Sanders’s letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Sen. Sanders, have information about NSA’s mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties." In other words, of course.

More from WaPo:

The answer is telling. We already know that the NSA collects records on virtually every phone call made in the United States. That program was renewed for the 36th time on Friday. If members of Congress are treated no differently than other Americans, then the NSA likely keeps tabs on every call they make as well.

 

It's a relief to know that Congress doesn't get a special carve-out (they're just like us!). But the egalitarianism of it all will likely be of little comfort to Sanders."

Of course, it is no surprise that the US superspies spy on Congress. After all they spy on everyone. But the bigger question is if the NSA is itself, by implication, above the checks and balances of the US legislative apparatus, just who is in charge of determining the targets of the most powerful spying agency in the history of the world? In other words, who watches the watchmen? And just how is any of this even remotely legal?

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Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:42 | 4300360 VD
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why The Fed is in charge of it all, bc The Fed is owned by the 1% (PDs et al.) so obvious it's hard to see.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:47 | 4300363 nope-1004
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Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons:  NONE 

 Everyone and anyone is a target.  That's how blackmail works, in a corrupt government.

 

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:49 | 4300377 outofideas
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That answer is pretty much "That is a nice banana republic you have there congresman, it would be a shame if something happened to it" type of answer.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 18:55 | 4300383 ghengis86
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Notably, a much stricter rule was set for US government communications found in the raw intelligence. The Israelis were required to "destroy upon recognition" any communication "that is either to or from an official of the US government". Such communications included those of "officials of the executive branch (including the White House, cabinet departments, and independent agencies), the US House of Representatives and Senate (member and staff) and the US federal court system (including, but not limited to, the supreme court)".

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data...

 

of course they spy on everyone, including senatros.  And then hand it over to Israel and probably other foreign interests as well.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:08 | 4300394 ZerOhead
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Edward Snowden for President

And an early death for all Constitutional traitors!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:14 | 4300416 Troll Magnet
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I'd take Ron Paul or Gary Johnson in 2016.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:18 | 4300426 remain calm
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Another words Bernie, "we can see you jerking off while you watch porn via the webcam on your computer".

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:33 | 4300434 ZerOhead
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I hear Snowden is a few bucks short over there in Russia...

Is there any way we can send him cash without our testicles being crushed or it being sucked up by the scumbag fucking lawyers who will not work for him pro bono?

A million people at $10 bucks a pop will make him and the subsequent rush of other NSA defectors rich and us free again.

We all owe it to him.

 

SERIOUSLY...   ANYONE?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:31 | 4300462 gherman
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I summon... FONESTAR!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:38 | 4300468 nmewn
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ROTFL!!!...there ya go...our resident BitMillionaire surely believes in good causes, problem solved!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:47 | 4300478 Manthong
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Maybe Bernie and bunch of his privileged colleagues should be concerned about being on the wrong side during the inevitable Night of the American Long Knives.   

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:53 | 4300518 NoDebt
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Hey, Congress!  How you feeling about those FISA court protections now?  Pretty confident, would be my guess, right?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:04 | 4300548 ghengis86
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now, if we could get a senator to ask the NSA if they spy on Pres Choomwagon and the Supremes.  that would be fun

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:07 | 4300827 espirit
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It's like lighting a fire that will consume you, Bernie.

Think Fukushima.

Dudes an idiot, outlived his usefullness, or both.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:36 | 4300900 Richard Chesler
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Raises hand slowly...

Does that include Diane Frankestein?

 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 01:09 | 4301139 MrPalladium
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 02:41 | 4301228 Stuart
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This is NOT what the original founders of the constitution had in mind, when they wrote "We The People..."

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 03:46 | 4301262 Oh regional Indian
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The founders were masonic, slave owning, England and french loving men who were sent to conquer the new atlantis.

The story of the US as known by most is one of the modern era's truly great lies. Kind of like India's "freedom" from the UK.

 

Believe nothing...

ori

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 05:44 | 4301327 MeMadMax
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Obama is laughing all the way to his latest NSA intellegince meeting...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:00 | 4301368 GetZeeGold
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The NSA did categorically deny it......right?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 09:40 | 4301415 Withdrawn Sanction
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"The founders were masonic, slave owning, England and french loving men who were sent to conquer the new atlantis."

True, but that does not mean they were wrong about everything.  A more intelligent reaction is to sort the wheat from the chaff.

A more humane reaction is to place oneself in the founders' shoes and ask how you would have dealth w/slavery for example. They came into this system (they did not invent it) and had to deal w/it as it was.  Did they do a good job w/it?  No, but what would you have done in their place?  The question is relevant, b/c we are confronted w/a different manifestation of same problem today.  We are in a slave pen, which is steadily getting smaller.  How do you propose we deal w/it, and are you leading and living your life consistent w/your proposal(s)?  

Incidentally, although most know this, it's worth re-emphasizing that the call to "believe nothing" is still a belief system.  Good luck w/that.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:30 | 4301465 Oh regional Indian
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WS, most of what you say is true. But believe nothing is a catchall to say believe nothing but what your own, inner, finely honed sense of discrimination tells you.

Thing is, truth IS stranger than fiction by far and thus for most people, is okay to in-joy, but for Enter-Attain-Ment only.

ori

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:17 | 4301574 i-dog
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Good to see you commenting, ORI. I don't buy into your word-plays, but you nearly got the plot right! An event in 1773 caused certain people - using Masonic connections - to take over the New World ... in order to gain a base from which to again attempt to take over the Old World (oh...and now the whole world).

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:41 | 4301482 Ranger4564
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You're welcome to justify whatever belief system you want, but your argument has no merit. I agree with the parts where you ask one to step into that situation, but a truly intelligent person would be more an independent thinker and less constrained by their culture. Look at science or the enlightenment period for good examples of individuals who appear to have truly broken free of cultural limitations. Think for yourself is not an empty phrase... and believe nothing is not a belief system equivalent to believe everything you're told.

If you truly live through life believing almost nothing and questioning everything with every bit of new information that enters your awareness, you will find old 'facts' being dismissed. If you hold some 'truths' to be sacred, then you've lost grip of reality and are merely living in your preferred fantasy.

Additionally, much of what we know came from sources which may have been under the control of nefarious characters. Just because it can be read and corroborated by many sources doesn't mean that information was not manipulated / distorted.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:27 | 4301847 Milestones
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For an exploration of this notion read historian Charles Beard's book from 1917 "An Economic Interpetation of the U.S. Constitution" An eye opener for most Americans (Whoops--Merkans)                Milestones

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 03:26 | 4301254 Boris Alatovkrap
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AmeriKa, land of serf, home of the naive.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:03 | 4301369 GetZeeGold
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Under the same protection.....that doesn't sound good.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:16 | 4301457 logicalman
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Land of the fee, home of the slave.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 09:59 | 4301437 Papasmurf
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The answer is obvious since they insisted he accept a Blackberry since it is "secure".   He also has a rooted iPad.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-forced-stick-blackberry-s...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:15 | 4300570 WillyGroper
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A better question would be how many calls they've made to their accountants.

Next, they'll be squeezed like the rest of us via blackmail. Is that PC?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:53 | 4300519 DoChenRollingBearing
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Oh, I feel so much better knowing that I have the same protection as Congress-critters.  I wonder if each and all of them have compromised to the NSA info...

Boo!

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:54 | 4300798 old naughty
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as ORI indicated yesterday" "he could be gaming the egamers"

Do WE want the truth?

WE can't handle the truth !?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:05 | 4300821 DoChenRollingBearing
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Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:10 | 4300956 Element
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Stop messing with my text reader, bastard.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:35 | 4301385 spankfish
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Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:08 | 4300959 Mad Muppet
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I sadly expect Do Chen will soon have some serious labor problems, tax problems, etc. Big Brother has a long arm, and many evil servants. But then, they can decrypt most commercial encryption software anyway, right?

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 23:14 | 4300973 rehypothecator
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I recognize that. Those digits occur in the decimal expansion of pi.  And in the decimal expansion of sqrt(2).  In fact, they occur at the same starting digit location in the cube roots of two integers, which, however, I'm not at liberty to discuss.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:31 | 4301090 odatruf
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Fuck, you hacked my ZH password!

 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 02:56 | 4301241 Brindle702
Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:41 | 4301099 edotabin
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"Oh, I feel so much better knowing that I have the same protection as Congress-critters"

Yeah, we just don't get the same medical coverage.

Either way, the most telling thing is what Bernie will do with that answer. Most here are just concerned citizens behind a keyboard.  Bernie can actually do something almost immediately.  Let's see.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:13 | 4301563 InnerG
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Make sure to hold your breathe

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:03 | 4300682 Crash Overide
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His name was Fonestar...

 

...and he changed the world by sending Eddy Snowden some Bitcoins.

-Chapter 2 Earth history pre-crash of 2014-

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:00 | 4301050 Never One Roach
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In other words, Bernie:

 

"Up your nose with a rubber hose!"

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 19:41 | 4300485 kill switch
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Well it's now obvious that we have no representative government when the NSA spies on all reps.... They all have shit to hide.....That's why we have no progress in the representatives in this corrupt system.... voting is know relevant...

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 20:02 | 4300527 cynicalskeptic
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Well, it explains why all those Republicans in Congress that were vehemently denouncing the loss of rights under The Patriot Act and all ended up voting FOR it in lockstep under Bush.  

It also explains why the wholesale spying started long BEFORE 9/11.  Had to collect the dirt on everyone, find the skeletons in thier closets, BEFORE the voting on all the legislation that gutted the Constitution.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 22:39 | 4300905 oddball
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Also insider trading is legal for ALL these assholes.  

 

"NSA, we blackmail you, but we let you and your cronies 'profit' from the experiance."™ 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 00:55 | 4301117 PT
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... and I would bet that there are quite a few innocent people out there who, unbeknown to them,  couldn't get a job because there wan't enough dirt on them.

Not long ago here we had a whistleblower's fraudulent past brought into the spotlight (just in time for the media to ignore her complaints).  My first thought at the time was, "With so many good people out there, how did they end up hiring a fraud?  Why didn't they discover her past before she tried do bring some dirt into the light?" 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 08:42 | 4301392 Wahooo
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It explains Bush and Obama.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:17 | 4300724 freefall
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I'm in for $10 if there is a secure (oh geez where did that word come from?!) way to get it to him.

Sat, 01/04/2014 - 21:28 | 4300733 bunnyswanson
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Greenwald would probably pass it along to ES.  Does Greenwald come onto ZH?

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