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The NSA Responds To Bernie Sanders Whether It Spies on Congress
Yesterday, in what we characterized as an episode of a "real life magic-mushroom, banana dictatorship envisioned by George Orwell" gone full retard, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders asked the NSA point blank whether it has "spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other American elected officials?" Today, via the Bezos Post, we got the answer: "Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons," the spokesman said, which thanks to Edward Snowden, we now know for a factor are precisely none (for those still unconvinced, please see: "The Complete Guide To How The NSA Hacked Everything"). "We are reviewing Sen. Sanders’s letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Sen. Sanders, have information about NSA’s mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties." In other words, of course.
More from WaPo:
The answer is telling. We already know that the NSA collects records on virtually every phone call made in the United States. That program was renewed for the 36th time on Friday. If members of Congress are treated no differently than other Americans, then the NSA likely keeps tabs on every call they make as well.
It's a relief to know that Congress doesn't get a special carve-out (they're just like us!). But the egalitarianism of it all will likely be of little comfort to Sanders."
Of course, it is no surprise that the US superspies spy on Congress. After all they spy on everyone. But the bigger question is if the NSA is itself, by implication, above the checks and balances of the US legislative apparatus, just who is in charge of determining the targets of the most powerful spying agency in the history of the world? In other words, who watches the watchmen? And just how is any of this even remotely legal?
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Well Said tippy! Beautiful...and true.
Looks like the NSA flipped the bird at Bernie.
I'm having a laugh.
Welcome to the 99% club.
99.99%
TPTB are a VERY small club
You're right. The next two nines just make it shine.
Congress has been around longer than any other "agency." The NSA will likely get clipped and go back underground, to return as some other acronym down the road.
If Congress didn't have the upper hand in this then I doubt that any of this would really be happening. (and note that it's still uncertain what's up with Snowden and Greenwald; there's still lots of questions on these two, way too many to have them rise to the top of being embraced by the mainstream media)
Congress may be around longer and have the 'upper hand' but it is a hand played badly considering all the so-called congressional oversight failures (who heads those committees?) and previous Cassandras wailing from the ramparts over the years. The Snowden/Greenwald exposes (however questionable) do not detract but add to the body of evidence against the violations of the protections under the Constitution. The NSA will soon be redacted to Naval control. Anchors away.
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Better than none, (ooh wait...)
Any further questions please ring 1-800-FUK -YOU2.
Justice Roberts reminds you.....IT'S THE LAW!
America.....land of the free.
So the NSA has all the sex slave data that Congress manifests! Well no wonder Congress always does what they're told!
Blackmail bitchez!
well, not a bold face lie this response.
NSA: the only part of government that actually listens.
just remember they have to get this data from telecom companies and email providers
credit card companies
banks
mobile phone companies and the service providers.
etc and so on..
"The answer is telling. We already know that the NSA collects records on virtually every phone call made in the United States. That program was renewed for the 36th time on Friday. If members of Congress are treated no differently than other Americans, then the NSA likely keeps tabs on every call they make as well."
"likely" - oh for chrissakes. Equivocating like a motherfucker here. Happy everyone? What a culture of idiots. Absolute idiots. Next thing there will be a TED talk all about it - meanwhile just go watch your fucking football playoffs and then come on this site and talk about your gun rights and the birth certificate of your twice elected head of state rather than mention the state of mind (head) of at least three of your latest 'heads of state' before Obama. What a culture of idiots. Complete idiots. Oh yeah, Bernie Sanders is a "socialist", oh yeah. Oh yeah oh yeah keep repeating it: socialist socialist socialist.
What a nation of absolute idiotic fools the USA has become.
yeah, football season followed this year by another political season which will really show the idiocy.
Fools on parade!
No need to burgularize the Watergate these days....... not when you can listen in on EVERY phone call and read EVERY e-mail.
Keep in mind that all that heppened with Nixon was considered a CRIME - today it's standard operating procedure.
"Keep in mind that all that heppened with Nixon was considered a CRIME - today it's standard operating procedure."
Need I remind you the burglaries were criminal - not the White House phone-tapping, which were embarrassing and ended up as Nixon's undoing.
(Rumor) In the Watergate safe there were highly incriminating documents of who rubbed out JFK.
(Just passin')
aka - none.
Zero, zip, zilch, zed, nil, none, not any at all.
Constitution? That's that old ship in Boston harbor, isn't it?
Linux
Tor
Truecrypt
PGP
a tails live disk works
https://tails.boum.org/
Translation: Congress has no privacy.
The NSA is controlled by an international organization which sole purpose is to gather information in order to control through blackmail, force, or assination any organization or body it deems adverse to it's corporate goals.
And if any of that information provides someone with 'insider information' that allows them to make a fortune (like shorting Airline stocks the day before 9/11), that's just a bonus, right?
Now you know the "Prime Directive".
This shit is just starting to break the surface. It's no wonder the NSA is going into lockdown mode. They desparately need to know who is going forward with this information!
"...........Thus far, the initial report to congress on the Bush falsification does not qualify as a leak. Only Bush stands accused, the 9/11 perpetrators are still safe, their identities still protected by security protocols maintained by President Obama, despite congressional demands.
“Claimed” leaks reported by Sperry in the Washington Post blame Bandar and Saudi Intelligence for 9/11. Sperry cites the CIA as a source but, quite suspiciously, seems to be attempting to deflect the possible fallout against Israel when or if then real report is made public. The Sperry story, coordinated with AIPAC’s moves to quell congress’s demand to declassify the report may well be an indication that Israeli intelligence, as Khalezov indicates, worked with Bush to plan and execute 9/11.
From the Press TV article:
This is only the most recent of revelations that AIPAC has managed to suppress through pressuring congress and its powerful assets in the press. What is increasingly clear is that many of AIPAC’s allies in Washington had access to the non-redacted report. An entire administration, leaders in congress and the Pentagon, the CIA, NSA and a dozen other organizations, all knew what was in the congressional report. They all lied to the 9/11 Commission. They all ordered measures to suppress freedom at home and to butcher hundreds of thousands around the world, kidnap and torture thousand more, all based on lies.
Countries were virtually wiped off the map on a whim. Often we hear it asked, “How could thousands be involved in a conspiracy so heinous?” We now stand ready to answer. The time has come to ask."
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/28/mossad-bush-planned-executed-911/
Walter Jones is now someone I trust. Anyone who is willing to come out and admit how wrong he was ("Freedom Fries") and then resort to correcting the mistakes made because of it, well...
It's all about 9/11. And if there's nothing in the documents from Snowden (or should I say Greenwald [who is receiving $250 million from the very man whose company [PayPal] killed payments to Wikileaks]) about 9/11 then you can be this has all been a big setup (perhaps to distract from Sperry).
Keep in mind that Bandar is still at it:
The Russian-Saudi Showdown at Sochihttp://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/31/the-russian-saudi-showdown-at-sochi/
And I've always had a high regard for Pepe Escobar's reporting:
Bandar Bush — Weaponizer-in-Chief & Liberator-in-Chief of Syria.http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2013/08/15/bandar-bush-weaponizer-in-chie...
Never Again Gang, isn't it?
COUP boys there was a COUP long ago, ... funny that you all fail to realize that the NSA is a MILITARY organizaton.
Now in theory they're supposed to report to the EXEC (OBAMA /sarc), long ago they killed JFK,
Probably the best kept secret in America is that the USA is a MIL dictatorship.
I remember when I was a young recruit back in the 1960's they sat us all down and said "The USA is a 3rd world country with Nukes".
The person truly at the top of all this would make any Bond villain look like a good guy!
Congress had better get to work on a bill limiting the NSA before they finish their purge/blackmail list from all the METAshit they've collected...
Is Little Bernie going to demand a straight answer? Is Little Bernie going to file a bill to cut funding for the NSA? Will Little Bernie be given permission to throw a faux temper tantrum? Are Little Bernie and Leaky Leahy our brave protectors from VT?
At least Bernie is asking questions the rest of the ball-less sacks of shit in Congress are afraid to...
There is no try, there is only do or do not.
The rest of Congress already knew, and so did Bernie. He just wants the public, for some reason, to know.
Senator Bernie Sanders is probably only one who surprised to see kiddyporn in his laptop.
"Is Little Bernie going to file a bill to cut funding for the NSA?"
Wont matter. When (not if) interest rates start to rise, more and more of the budget will be devoted to debt service, meaning fewer and fewer resources for luxuries like gratuitous spying. IOW, when it comes to a battle b/w the banksters and the spooks, the banksters will likely get the upper hand (for a while). But even they will eventually lose too as the economy implodes. They/we wont make it to 2016. The precursor tremors will be felt starting as early as this spring. Get your stuff toegether, time is short.
I can see the Monday morning meeting where the guy who wrote that reply answers to the head of the NSA, and maybe some of HIS masters:
"You said WHAT in a public letter to a member of Congress!?"
I wonder how much more, if any, it will take for this madness and idiocy to cease?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj3bnNORKfM
Nothing new. See the APPLE and ANDROID users lately.
Then the answer is obviously yes.
"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons,"
Well, at least the NSA didn't lie.
/sarc
At West Point there's a term - 'quibbling' - which is a form of semantic gamesmanship.
TECHNICALLY - and LITERALLY you are not telling a lie - since THAT is a violation of the Honor Code BUT you ARE managing to avoid responding to the INTENT of the question. It's astounding how some cadets manage to provide an answer that SOUNDS like the complete opposite of what occurred.
'Quibbling' itself ios an Honor Code violation - but then there's a great deal of 'quibbling' over what constitutes 'quibbling' - Clarity and honesty are sadly lacking.
Is this a description of the legal profession?
Depending on what the meaning of the word 'is' is, of course!
alexander is a '74 grad
You're either with us or you're against us; or you're with us and against us.......This is so confusing.......
Or you're against us being with you... Um, what's the answer? (never mind, just give me my paycheck...)
Not only do they spy on CONgress, they plant stories in shit like newspapers so the CONgress idiots can waive it around in an effort to make a point.
The US government considers the founding fathers of the United States to be terrorists.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/the-u-s-government-believes-that-...
If you believe in freedom and limited government it can now be inferred that you are a terrorist. You have no freedoms Mr. Sanders, sorry.
I'm guessing the spokesperson almost overdosed on Botox! It would have been the only way to keep a straight face!
There ain't no sanity clause!
So zero, nada, nothing, zilch.
Wow. Not even bothering with trying to hide it anymore. Up next, mass culling.
Well, I'm glad we finally got all that sorted out.
So the NSA knew all along what O'Barry's college test scores were and that he is a narcissistic megalomaniac and yet could not (or would not) "save the country" from his brand of terrrrism.
Looks like they're still battin a thousand.
captain obvious says the information is used like mr. hoover used it.
the position of the overseer defines the standard that every sheep has to follow not to get droned
no superior being needed in scientific times
Members of Congress also get to trade on inside information - what do they have to bitch about?
NSA servants just want to make some extra Dollars, nothing to worry about, they won't go after the gay porn.
NSA's version of Obama's lie: "If you like your privacy, you can keep your privacy." [Sorry, this "like...keep" thing just never gets old.]
"Warning: The guillotine is closer than it appears."
OK, Senator Sander: The NSA (read: the executive branch of the U.S.) just total you and the rest of Congress to fuck off.
What are you going to do about it?
HAHAHAHA. yeah the SAME privacy protections, ie, NONE
Who ever is in charge of the NSA with access to all the data is the most powerful person in the world because information is power and if you are a politcal person in Washington you better not be a enemy of the NSA. If they do not have any dirt on you they have dirt on someone that can do you harm.
Indeed! The circle of power built around access and control of NSA information is now a circle that can make or break any man, president or garbage collector.
Get over it, all what's left over from the founding fathers is just a dog and pony show.
And, really, there's not even a dog or pony left, just piles of shit...
That's what they're worried about. lulz
Is it not time to track and start publishing the names and addresses of every NSA employee above the rank of floor sweep.
Yep.
And the journalists already have the info. Their lawyers have told them not to publish. But that's why MSM outlets are dying. There's a shareholder to answer to that hires an army of lawyers to protect the channel. Just milking a stranded asset.
It's only a matter of time.
"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons,"
How's it feel to be just another plebe-potential terrorist just like the rest of us congress-critters?
The second part to the NSA statement is: but members of the Supreme Court have fewer privacy protections.
Cf. Chief Justice John Roberts and his ruling on PPACA.
I think J.Edgar Hoover just blew his load hearing that particular edict.
You bet. He blew it over his panties and stockings.
He only dreamed of this
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!! Best fucking response EVER!
"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons..."
Translation: "Anytime we want, fool."
From Sanders Web Site
Bernie Sanders ? @SenSandersMust Read: NSA statement does not deny 'spying' on members of Congress - @attackerman & @MartinPengelly: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/nsa-spying-bernie-sanders-members-congress … #NSA
Dear Mr. Sanders,
I commend you on your effort to isolate the NSA overreaching spying program from congressional support. I look forwards to your response and actions moving forwards. I can only hope legislation you might introduce apply to all citizens of the republic.
Sincerely,
Musashi Miyamoto
P.S.
They: The makers of the Constitution: conferred, as against the government, the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. - Justice Louis D. Brandeis
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” ? Voltaire.
Of The Social Contract, Or Principles of Political Right (Du contrat social ou Principes du droit politique) (1762) by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
BOOK IV
1. THAT THE GENERAL WILL IS INDESTRUCTIBLE
8. CIVIL RELIGION
AT first men had no kings save the gods, and no government save theocracy. They reasoned like Caligula, and, at that period, reasoned aright. It takes a long time for feeling so to change that men can make up their minds to take their equals as masters, in the hope that they will profit by doing so.
From the mere fact that God was set over every political society, it followed that there were as many gods as peoples. Two peoples that were strangers the one to the other, and almost always enemies, could not long recognise the same master: two armies giving battle could not obey the same leader. National divisions thus led to polytheism, and this in turn gave rise to theological and civil intolerance, which, as we shall see hereafter, are by nature the same.
The fancy the Greeks had for rediscovering their gods among the barbarians arose from the way they had of regarding themselves as the natural Sovereigns of such peoples. But there is nothing so absurd as the erudition which in our days identifies and confuses gods of different nations. As if Moloch, Saturn, and Chronos could be the same god! As if the Phoenician Baal, the Greek Zeus, and the Latin Jupiter could be the same! As if there could still be anything common to imaginary beings with different names!
If it is asked how in pagan times, where each State had its cult and its gods, there were no wars of religion, I answer that it was precisely because each State, having its own cult as well as its own government, made no distinction between its gods and its laws. Political war was also theological; the provinces of the gods were, so to speak, fixed by the boundaries of nations. The god of one people had no right over another. The gods of the pagans were not jealous gods; they shared among themselves the empire of the world: even Moses and the Hebrews sometimes lent themselves to this view by speaking of the God of Israel. It is true, they regarded as powerless the gods of the Canaanites, a proscribed people condemned to destruction, whose place they were to take; but remember how they spoke of the divisions of the neighbouring peoples they were forbidden to attack! "Is not the possession of what belongs to your god Chamos lawfully your due?" said Jephthah to the Ammonites. "We have the same title to the lands our conquering God has made his own."42 Here, I think, there is a recognition that the rights of Chamos and those of the God of Israel are of the same nature.
But when the Jews, being subject to the Kings of Babylon, and, subsequently, to those of Syria, still obstinately refused to recognise any god save their own, their refusal was regarded as rebellion against their conqueror, and drew down on them the persecutions we read of in their history, which are without parallel till the coming of Christianity.43
Every religion, therefore, being attached solely to the laws of the State which prescribed it, there was no way of converting a people except by enslaving it, and there could be no missionaries save conquerors. The obligation to change cults being the law to which the vanquished yielded, it was necessary to be victorious before suggesting such a change. So far from men fighting for the gods, the gods, as in Homer, fought for men; each asked his god for victory, and repayed him with new altars. The Romans, before taking a city, summoned its gods to quit it; and, in leaving the Tarentines their outraged gods, they regarded them as subject to their own and compelled to do them homage. They left the vanquished their gods as they left them their laws. A wreath to the Jupiter of the Capitol was often the only tribute they imposed.
Finally, when, along with their empire, the Romans had spread their cult and their gods, and had themselves often adopted those of the vanquished, by granting to both alike the rights of the city, the peoples of that vast empire insensibly found themselves with multitudes of gods and cults, everywhere almost the same; and thus paganism throughout the known world finally came to be one and the same religion.
It was in these circumstances that Jesus came to set up on earth a spiritual kingdom, which, by separating the theological from the political system, made the State no longer one, and brought about the internal divisions which have never ceased to trouble Christian peoples. As the new idea of a kingdom of the other world could never have occurred to pagans, they always looked on the Christians as really rebels, who, while feigning to submit, were only waiting for the chance to make themselves independent and their masters, and to usurp by guile the authority they pretended in their weakness to respect. This was the cause of the persecutions.
What the pagans had feared took place. Then everything changed its aspect: the humble Christians changed their language, and soon this so-called kingdom of the other world turned, under a visible leader, into the most violent of earthly despotisms.
However, as there have always been a prince and civil laws, this double power and conflict of jurisdiction have made all good polity impossible in Christian States; and men have never succeeded in finding out whether they were bound to obey the master or the priest.
Several peoples, however, even in Europe and its neighbourhood, have desired without success to preserve or restore the old system: but the spirit of Christianity has everywhere prevailed. The sacred cult has always remained or again become independent of the Sovereign, and there has been no necessary link between it and the body of the State. Mahomet held very sane views, and linked his political system well together; and, as long as the form of his government continued under the caliphs who succeeded him, that government was indeed one, and so far good. But the Arabs, having grown prosperous, lettered, civilised, slack and cowardly, were conquered by barbarians: the division between the two powers began again; and, although it is less apparent among the Mahometans than among the Christians, it none the less exists, especially in the sect of Ali, and there are States, such as Persia, where it is continually making itself felt.
Among us, the Kings of England have made themselves heads of the Church, and the Czars have done the same: but this title has made them less its masters than its ministers; they have gained not so much the right to change it, as the power to maintain it: they are not its legislators, but only its princes. Wherever the clergy is a corporate body,44 it is master and legislator in its own country. There are thus two powers, two Sovereigns, in England and in Russia, as well as elsewhere.
Of all Christian writers, the philosopher Hobbes alone has seen the evil and how to remedy it, and has dared to propose the reunion of the two heads of the eagle, and the restoration throughout of political unity, without which no State or government will ever be rightly constituted. But he should have seen that the masterful spirit of Christianity is incompatible with his system, and that the priestly interest would always be stronger than that of the State. It is not so much what is false and terrible in his political theory, as what is just and true, that has drawn down hatred on it.45
I believe that if the study of history were developed from this point of view, it would be easy to refute the contrary opinions of Bayle and Warburton, one of whom holds that religion can be of no use to the body politic, while the other, on the contrary, maintains that Christianity is its strongest support. We should demonstrate to the former that no State has ever been founded without a religious basis, and to the latter, that the law of Christianity at bottom does more harm by weakening than good by strengthening the constitution of the State. To make myself understood, I have only to make a little more exact the too vague ideas of religion as relating to this subject.
Religion, considered in relation to society, which is either general or particular, may also be divided into two kinds: the religion of man, and that of the citizen. The first, which has neither temples, nor altars, nor rites, and is confined to the purely internal cult of the supreme God and the eternal obligations of morality, is the religion of the Gospel pure and simple, the true theism, what may be called natural divine right or law. The other, which is codified in a single country, gives it its gods, its own tutelary patrons; it has its dogmas, its rites, and its external cult prescribed by law; outside the single nation that follows it, all the world is in its sight infidel, foreign and barbarous; the duties and rights of man extend for it only as far as its own altars. Of this kind were all the religions of early peoples, which we may define as civil or positive divine right or law.
There is a third sort of religion of a more singular kind, which gives men two codes of legislation, two rulers, and two countries, renders them subject to contradictory duties, and makes it impossible for them to be faithful both to religion and to citizenship. Such are the religions of the Lamas and of the Japanese, and such is Roman Christianity, which may be called the religion of the priest. It leads to a sort of mixed and anti-social code which has no name.
In their political aspect, all these three kinds of religion have their defects. The third is so clearly bad, that it is waste of time to stop to prove it such. All that destroys social unity is worthless; all institutions that set man in contradiction to himself are worthless.
The second is good in that it unites the divine cult with love of the laws, and, making country the object of the citizens' adoration, teaches them that service done to the State is service done to its tutelary god. It is a form of theocracy, in which there can be no pontiff save the prince, and no priests save the magistrates. To die for one's country then becomes martyrdom; violation of its laws, impiety; and to subject one who is guilty to public execration is to condemn him to the anger of the gods: Sacer estod.
On the other hand, it is bad in that, being founded on lies and error, it deceives men, makes them credulous and superstitious, and drowns the true cult of the Divinity in empty ceremonial. It is bad, again, when it becomes tyrannous and exclusive, and makes a people bloodthirsty and intolerant, so that it breathes fire and slaughter, and regards as a sacred act the killing of every one who does not believe in its gods. The result is to place such a people in a natural state of war with all others, so that its security is deeply endangered.
There remains therefore the religion of man or Christianity — not the Christianity of to-day, but that of the Gospel, which is entirely different. By means of this holy, sublime, and real religion all men, being children of one God, recognise one another as brothers, and the society that unites them is not dissolved even at death.
But this religion, having no particular relation to the body politic, leaves the laws in possession of the force they have in themselves without making any addition to it; and thus one of the great bonds that unite society considered in severally fails to operate. Nay, more, so far from binding the hearts of the citizens to the State, it has the effect of taking them away from all earthly things. I know of nothing more contrary to the social spirit.
We are told that a people of true Christians would form the most perfect society imaginable. I see in this supposition only one great difficulty: that a society of true Christians would not be a society of men.
I say further that such a society, with all its perfection, would be neither the strongest nor the most lasting: the very fact that it was perfect would rob it of its bond of union; the flaw that would destroy it would lie in its very perfection.
Every one would do his duty; the people would be law-abiding, the rulers just and temperate; the magistrates upright and incorruptible; the soldiers would scorn death; there would be neither vanity nor luxury. So far, so good; but let us hear more.
Christianity as a religion is entirely spiritual, occupied solely with heavenly things; the country of the Christian is not of this world. He does his duty, indeed, but does it with profound indifference to the good or ill success of his cares. Provided he has nothing to reproach himself with, it matters little to him whether things go well or ill here on earth. If the State is prosperous, he hardly dares to share in the public happiness, for fear he may grow proud of his country's glory; if the State is languishing, he blesses the hand of God that is hard upon His people.
For the State to be peaceable and for harmony to be maintained, all the citizens without exception would have to be good Christians; if by ill hap there should be a single self-seeker or hypocrite, a Catiline or a Cromwell, for instance, he would certainly get the better of his pious compatriots. Christian charity does not readily allow a man to think hardly of his neighbours. As soon as, by some trick, he has discovered the art of imposing on them and getting hold of a share in the public authority, you have a man established in dignity; it is the will of God that he be respected: very soon you have a power; it is God's will that it be obeyed: and if the power is abused by him who wields it, it is the scourge wherewith God punishes His children. There would be scruples about driving out the usurper: public tranquillity would have to be disturbed, violence would have to be employed, and blood spilt; all this accords ill with Christian meekness; and after all, in this vale of sorrows, what does it matter whether we are free men or serfs? The essential thing is to get to heaven, and resignation is only an additional means of doing so.
If war breaks out with another State, the citizens march readily out to battle; not one of them thinks of flight; they do their duty, but they have no passion for victory; they know better how to die than how to conquer. What does it matter whether they win or lose? Does not Providence know better than they what is meet for them? Only think to what account a proud, impetuous and passionate enemy could turn their stoicism! Set over against them those generous peoples who were devoured by ardent love of glory and of their country, imagine your Christian republic face to face with Sparta or Rome: the pious Christians will be beaten, crushed and destroyed, before they know where they are, or will owe their safety only to the contempt their enemy will conceive for them. It was to my mind a fine oath that was taken by the soldiers of Fabius, who swore, not to conquer or die, but to come back victorious — and kept their oath. Christians would never have taken such an oath; they would have looked on it as tempting God.
But I am mistaken in speaking of a Christian republic; the terms are mutually exclusive. Christianity preaches only servitude and dependence. Its spirit is so favourable to tyranny that it always profits by such a régime. True Christians are made to be slaves, and they know it and do not much mind: this short life counts for too little in their eyes.
I shall be told that Christian troops are excellent. I deny it. Show me an instance. For my part, I know of no Christian troops. I shall be told of the Crusades. Without disputing the valour of the Crusaders, I answer that, so far from being Christians, they were the priests' soldiery, citizens of the Church. They fought for their spiritual country, which the Church had, somehow or other, made temporal. Well understood, this goes back to paganism: as the Gospel sets up no national religion, a holy war is impossible among Christians.
Under the pagan emperors, the Christian soldiers were brave; every Christian writer affirms it, and I believe it: it was a case of honourable emulation of the pagan troops. As soon as the emperors were Christian, this emulation no longer existed, and, when the Cross had driven out the eagle, Roman valour wholly disappeared.
But, setting aside political considerations, let us come back to what is right, and settle our principles on this important point. The right which the social compact gives the Sovereign over the subjects does not, we have seen, exceed the limits of public expediency.46 The subjects then owe the Sovereign an account of their opinions only to such an extent as they matter to the community. Now, it matters very much to the community that each citizen should have a religion. That will make him love his duty; but the dogmas of that religion concern the State and its members only so far as they have reference to morality and to the duties which he who professes them is bound to do to others. Each man may have, over and above, what opinions he pleases, without it being the Sovereign's business to take cognisance of them; for, as the Sovereign has no authority in the other world, whatever the lot of its subjects may be in the life to come, that is not its business, provided they are good citizens in this life.
There is therefore a purely civil profession of faith of which the Sovereign should fix the articles, not exactly as religious dogmas, but as social sentiments without which a man cannot be a good citizen or a faithful subject.47 While it can compel no one to believe them, it can banish from the State whoever does not believe them — it can banish him, not for impiety, but as an anti-social being, incapable of truly loving the laws and justice, and of sacrificing, at need, his life to his duty. If any one, after publicly recognising these dogmas, behaves as if he does not believe them, let him be punished by death: he has committed the worst of all crimes, that of lying before the law.
The dogmas of civil religion ought to be few, simple, and exactly worded, without explanation or commentary. The existence of a mighty, intelligent and beneficent Divinity, possessed of foresight and providence, the life to come, the happiness of the just, the punishment of the wicked, the sanctity of the social contract and the laws: these are its positive dogmas. Its negative dogmas I confine to one, intolerance, which is a part of the cults we have rejected.
Those who distinguish civil from theological intolerance are, to my mind, mistaken. The two forms are inseparable. It is impossible to live at peace with those we regard as damned; to love them would be to hate God who punishes them: we positively must either reclaim or torment them. Wherever theological intolerance is admitted, it must inevitably have some civil effect;48 and as soon as it has such an effect, the Sovereign is no longer Sovereign even in the temporal sphere: thenceforce priests are the real masters, and kings only their ministers.
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Now that there is and can be no longer an exclusive national religion, tolerance should be given to all religions that tolerate others, so long as their dogmas contain nothing contrary to the duties of citizenship. But whoever dares to say: Outside the Church is no salvation, ought to be driven from the State, unless the State is the Church, and the prince the pontiff. Such a dogma is good only in a theocratic government; in any other, it is fatal. The reason for which Henry IV is said to have embraced the Roman religion ought to make every honest man leave it, and still more any prince who knows how to reason.
TLDR
post a link man
My Bad,
Summery:
I have some problems with voltaire.
He doesn't care.
He's dead.
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And the men who hold high places
Must be the ones who start
To mold a new reality
Closer to the heart
Closer to the heart
The blacksmith and the artist
Reflect it in their art
They forge their creativity
Closer to the heart
Closer to the heart
Philosophers and ploughmen
Each must know his part
To sow a new mentality
Closer to the heart
Closer to the heart
You can be the captain
I will draw the chart
Sailing into destiny
Closer to the heart
-Rush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quBCjo2rUZg
Lawyers and Judges.
Ah, they just ain't making 'em like Voltaire anymore...
Indeed! You must credit the NSA for a very clever answer. They did not deny spying on congress, they did not admit it. Thus Snowden can not catch them in a lie and releasee damning new material. What to make of such a clever answer." i.e. that congress has the same rights as all Americans?" I see a clever dodge, a non-answer to the question. Remember, Sanders did not ask about congress' rights, he asked "were they being spied on." A dodged question is all that answer was.
Taken at face value, we know the Americans enjoy no right to privacy and every American is totally spied on, everything goes to the NSA. Phone calls, email, text message, medical records, military serivce records, tax records, bank records, credit card records, court records, marriage records, you name it. If it exists, then NSA collects it and stores it and looks at it.
This is the land of the free and the home of the brave. We fight wars in the name of our freedom, which of course is a lie. NSA is "Big Brother" in Orwellian 1984, only carried to orders of magnitude.
In short, congress enjoys the same rights as all citizens in America, that means "no rights at all". Keep telling yourself you are free, in fact, take up that notion of your freedom with your employers, your city, county, state and federal governments. Take it up with the US military and spy agencies. Tell them all that you are free! Ha! Ha! What a joke that would be eh? Telling your masters how free you are.
It would be nice to knwo how many people work at NSA or at their contractors, it would be nice to know all their names and addresses. Not to do anything illegal, but to simply know who you are paying to spy on you. We are, after all, their employers, although employers captive to our employees. How the fuck did that happen?
The NSA is a Military organization that feeds SIGINT ( signal data ) to the CIA for deciding who to target for termination.
Somewhere NSA started collecting HUMINT ( human intelligent data )
Since the late 1940's ( over 70 years ) the NSA has slowly expanded, today its the largest high-tech employer in the world. It certainly has always hired the best mathematicians and computer scientists on the planet.
Just the other day the NSA announced that it now collecting raw sewage treatment data, .e.g. it will be able to map fecal DNA, which means that even if your a 'lone wolf' they will know where you shit, eat, walk, and piss.
In time all will carry a RFID chip in their body, which will transmit blood data every few minutes to the NSA, they will know you ate too much chocolate before your mother.
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How did all this happen? In secret over 70 years.
Why? Because the USA was always a nation ran and controlled by assholes.
Who? Is in charge of the NSA? The US military, one might say there was a COUP long ago, some say JFK, some say Eisenhower's speech marked the begin of MIC/PIC.
'Bankers' rule the world? fuck no
'Jews', ...no
Who run's this bitch? Assholes that look like Alexander,
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Solution? stay as far away from the USA as you can
A clever answer?
A cookie nabbing 4th grader can evade a direct question with the same skill.
He's laughing in Sanders and the rest of Congresses faces.
One big fat 'fuck you' to the world saying there ain't a damn thing you can do about it.
Period.
Well, let's call it an episode of Empire Strikes Back !
Why didn't they just say "that depends on your definition of IS" What does "IS" mean?
They did not deny spying on congress, they did not admit it.
told ya so ;~) (hate when people say this, but couldn't resist, forgive/junk as you wish)
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-03/senator-bernie-sanders-asks-nsa-if-it-spies-congress#comment-4299387
p.s. congress enjoys the same rights as all citizens in America,
note that the NSA response did NOT use that language, rather the term U.S. persons. it might be wise for peeps to begin to clearly understand the subtle but enormous difference between the two. (edit: read dewey's comments below for a primer)
on the level of the game that's currently being played, language is the most powerful weapon there is.
"Indeed! You must credit the NSA for a very clever answer. They did not deny spying on congress, they did not admit it."
What indeed? Don't be absurd - the NSA did in fact admit it "spies" on Congress. How on earth can you come to the absurd conclusion you have written here Jack Burton (with the smile of a blonde actress named Scarlett Johansson). Oh and beware that pretty pearl earring: it not only photographs but also records your every move.
The plot thickens!
Who does the NSA answer to?
Who is really running the world?
Is Obamba more of a puppet than we thought?
Does Snowden know?
Does Snowden know who was in charge of 9/11?
Hmm!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CChAOh1X5CA
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http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/1/out-to-sea-out-ofmind.html
Fuck you liars!
If you went to a party and were talking to someone and they said, "I work for the NSA". Would you punch them in the face/throat or kick them in the balls?
I would kick them in the balls...the lesbos also.
Spit in his face. Call him a fucking traitor, then one to the balls. Would he/she desrve it or not? They are evil, I don't care if they claim to be family people just putting food on the table, fuck that. Hitlers concentration camp guards were in many cases simply people who applied for work with the SS. This is fact. Employees of evil, are evil!
NSA is Truth
Slavery is Freedom
Money is NSACOIN [btc]
War is Peace
Home is Prison
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So now we know that US policitians in the eyes of the praetorian (NSA) is equal to the common USA citizens,
In other words to the praetorians running the USA/IMF/NSA anybody outside of their tribe is human Detritus.
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Heretofore anyone on ZH that talks of voting, or change should be castigated as an idiot. Anybody that still thinks that the USA is a democracy should be labeled a fool.
When are the CEOs of large multinational corps going to get together and put additional pressure on congress? This is going to put a serious dent in overseas sales and investment in the U.S. markets. Even if I knew I could spy on my competition, I wouldn't feel too good knowing that they could just as easily be doing the same or worse to me.
I suspect congress is building a posistion to work from against the NSA. They already want Clappers head on a pike. There's petitions all over the place to indict the clown.
Funny.
Sanders is like the fly caught in the web who asks the spider if it is going to suck his guts out.
DUH.
If you are not ashamed, do whatever!
"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons,"
Key point is they call them persons. It is also telling how the NSA views itself. They don't say citizens they say persons for a legal standpoint the only time I can think of anyone being referred to as a person as opposed to a citizen or national (foreign or otherwise) is in terms of statelessness.
That they call them U.S, persons from a legal standpoint most likely refers to de facto statelessness as opposed to de jure statelessness.
The difference between the 2 is this.
http://www.refworld.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rwmain?docid=415c3cfb4
de jure is someone who is "not considered as a national by any state under the operation of its law".
de facto is someone who is outside the country of his or her nationality and is unable or, for valid reasons, unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of that country.
That is very telling and I bet the way they interpert that is they interpert the the WHOLE digital realm whether it be the internet or any digital network (communication or otherwise) as stateless.
They probably consider everybody stateless in that realm and just use U.S. to designate the analog location outside the digital realm.
If they called them citizens then they would have to abide by the 14th Amendment specifically section 1 which states
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
You aren't born in a digital realm therefore you have no citizenship period in that realm. I would bet the farm that is their secret interpertation they use to justify all this and also they use international law to define people in cyberspace as de facto stateless people and in turn the privacy protections afforded under international law as a de facto stateless person at the same. If that is the case then shouldn't local copyright laws apply if we had properly worded ones to combat this sort of surveillance. It may not stop the spying but it sure as hell would limit what they could do with the collected information, especially information that can be identified to a specific country.
For added reading if I am correct rights and protections including privacy afforded to de facto stateless persons as per the United Nations 1954 Convention on the Status of Stateless Persons.
http://www.refworld.org/pdfid/4bbf387d2.pdf
You know what the kicker is to all this is
The United States didn't sign onto the 1954 agreement nor did they sign onto the follow up UN agreement in 1961.
And to follow through even further along the lines of relinquishing U.S. citizenship and becoming stateless since the U.S. is one of the few countries that allows for relinquishing of citizenship without being a citizen of a second country at the same time. Means most countries won't allow you to legally become stateless if you already are a citizen in said country.
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_778.html
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Disposition of Cases When Administrative Premise Is Inapplicable
The premise that a person intends to retain U.S. citizenship is not applicable when the individual:
Cases in categories 2, 3 and 4 will be developed carefully by U.S. consular officers to ascertain the individual's intent toward U.S. citizenship.
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I bet you some legal argument on that bolded point is probably also used if the born part isn't the reason to justify all this through the Patriot Act where they consider everything from a cell phone to your laptop as weapon in a cyberwar (cyberspace being the digital equivalent to Waziristan) and there for if you use one you automatically are considered engaged in hostilities and therefore reliquish digital equivalent citizenship to your digital communications on the equipment residing within the U.S. Basically you've turned every U.S. citizen into an enemy combatant in the digital realm and can apply the above then to revoke citizenship rights.
Either way the key point again is U.S. persons not citizens that statement was most certainly run through their legal people first. It implies statelessness in some form from a legal standpoint.
Last thought to chew on concerning all this concerning statelessness persons.
From the state department.
http://www.state.gov/j/prm/policyissues/issues/c50242.htm
The aftermath of World War II and the reconfiguration of nation states created a surge of stateless populations, which led the drafters of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights to include Article 15, which states that “everyone has the right to a nationality” and should not be deprived arbitrarily of his or her nationality. Statelessness exists in every region of the world, but remains a largely “hidden” problem without government recognition.
If we consider cyberspace a region then the following holds true. I've left out most and only included the pertinent parts.
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What are the causes of statelessness?The following are some common causes of statelessness:
• Political change and transfer of territory, which may alter the nationality status of citizens of the former state(s) - cyberspace most likely is not considered a territory because if it was citizenship would apply, think digital equivalent of Puerto Rico
• Laws restricting acquisition of citizenship - since it is not a territory and considered a region there is no citizenship
• Loss or relinquishment of nationality without first acquiring another - voilla you are a U.S. person in the digital realm.
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What are the consequences that stateless people encounter?Without citizenship, stateless people have no legal protection and no right to vote, and they often lack access to education, employment, health care, registration of birth, marriage or death, and property rights. Stateless people may also encounter travel restrictions, social exclusion, and heightened vulnerability to sexual and physical violence, exploitation, trafficking in persons, forcible displacement, and other abuses.
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I think our legal eagles know what they need to do if there is any functioning Federal Justice System left.
And finally maybe the real justification and tying it to Edward Snowden who may have used the same justification to get into Russia and granted temporary asylum and as such we need to read more carefully and between the lines in what he is telling us.
"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons,"
Q: Where in the analog world can statelessness occur without revoking your citizenship?
A: Ports of entry.
The most famous example of this was Mehran Karimi Nasseri after being expelled from Iran but refused entry into France spent 18 years living in Charles de Gaulle Airport as a stateless person.
Basically all devices aka cellphones, computers etc. are considered ports of entry into cyberspace. Would explain besides the usual path of least resistance the legal justification they use to compromise end points in general aka Iphones with dropout jeep domestically or otherwise. But there is a rub with this argument and a possible reason for keeping their legal justifications secret, those ports of entry are also private property so what takes precidence, private property rights relating to ownership of the cell phone/computer in the country it is located in or international law. That is the biggest fuck you they could possibly pull that people would be furious about if correct.
That, Sir, is some great analysis.
"Basically all devices aka cellphones, computers etc. are considered ports of entry into cyberspace. Would explain besides the usual path of least resistance the legal justification they use to compromise end points in general aka Iphones with dropout jeep domestically or otherwise. But there is a rub with this argument and a possible reason for keeping their legal justifications secret, those ports of entry are also private property"
The devices are KEYS, they are not the DOOR to the port(s).
Lots of these devices can do functions that require no networking (entry of ports).
It's all about the service agreements. When you use a service you're then engaging it in accordance with its legal construct/contract.
Anyway, I'm pretty certain that you're on to something.
Agreed, bookmarked ..... too bad we can't automatically filter out the matsusumitoshisumiritsu noise out for this.
Hopefully one of the usual gang of idiots will take the ideas put forth here and condense and parse it into a future blog post. I know I am onto something here and a full court press needs to be applied to get to the truth which is what is that secret interpertation of the law they use to justify these programs if people like Snowden don't know or won't reveal. The general US public has an absolute right to know what the legal interpertation is in the first place. I don't give a fuck about 'national security' as an excuse for not showing it. The law is the fucking law and laws that are 'secret' including interpetations are in essence are a flat out fuck you to law and rule of law in general, you can't legally challenge something that is illegal when it is kept secret. The details of the programs are one thing to keep secret it is another to keep the legal stuff that underpins the whole programs secret. We shouldn't have to pull teeth to get an answer if we are country that respects the rule of law including it's own laws. If we don't do that then what is the fucking point of having any laws?
I would agree with you on the keys/doors thing but look at it from this viewpoint.
If we use the traditional notion of a digital highway, infrastructure like a cellphone is not a port of entry when it resides within a country. The port of entry would be the ISP server(s) before traffic is routed into international space. When you define cyberspace not as a network but as it's own region like a terrortory or region the port of entry is analog to digtal conversion point into the region. They are twisting international law to suite their own needs to bypass the U.S. laws. Not only laws but basic private property rights that Constitution define in general, igf you buy a device you own it, it is your property. If the U.S. law defines cyberspace as networks and devices as property then it is flat out illegal, war on terrorism or not. That is my belief why the interpertation is kept secret because if people knew that they would flip once you realize how it expands from there. Think TSA for cellphones and information being prohibited from entry into US analog space because of embargos or laws restricting things like cuban cigars for example.
I also can't stress this point enough concerning the charter of the NSA, it strictly prohibits them from operating domestically, in order for it to be legal. where they are operating has to be somehow defined in terms of international law taking precedence over domestic in a faux legal manner. The devices being the port of entry and cyberspace being the region theory most certainly serves that purpose even if it is flawed and illegal when you don't interpert it in a narrow view but interpert it using the whole U.S. legal code hence the point for keeping the interpertation secret,
As I said before and I can't STRESS THE POINT ENOUGH they called them persons not citizens. They need the law to legitimize what they do even if they can subvert through the back door to make it legal after the fact for people to go along with it. Those press statements concerning legal inquires or fishing expeditions are always run past the legal department first before published and it is not just them but all gubbermint agencies do that. People are always referred to as citizens or nationals except in certain cases of international law, statelessness is the big one. They are defining the space in terms that international law supercedes local laws aka the US Constitution and probably used a flawed or outright illegal interpertation if they won't let anyone know what it is. If I am correct this is pretty much what the interpertation is. When you look at cyberspace as a single region (that just happens to overlap into local space like Waziristan happening to be in Pakistan) then you can apply international law in very arbitary and capricious manners which is what I believe they are doing here. And as you can see based on the state department's own words a stateless person has no privacy rights according to international law. It is a fucking sham legal verbal circle jerk. It is the old ISO 9001 quality control procedure loophole, just write a procedure that says you follow no procedures and you are in compliance.
methinks so too, that's some seriously amazing detective work dewey. maybe the best i've ever seen on the hedge, outside a few tyler posts. seer, your point about the service agreements seems to be KEY (pun intended) as well, perhaps this is how they link it all up with the commerce clause?
if this is correct, the chainlink that most closely binds the citizen into "personhood" (a/k/a a legal fiction on par with a corporation and subject to a legal system where who can afford the best attorneys1 wins ~98% of the time) is the contract with the cell phone/internet service provider, yes? if so, can anyone one say mesh networks?
for a philosophical basis and how this all links up with Roman law, a decent intoduction i/m/h/o:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgio_Agamben#Homo_Sacer:_Sovereign_Power_and_Bare_Life_.281995.29
zizek actually wrote an essay in his book on 9/11 called "Homo Sucker to Homo Sacer" that predicted all this shit. there is a copy on scribd, but ghostery picked up 50 trackers, so i chose not to share the link. so, enter at your own risk or better yet, find a used copy somewhere, it's well worth the read. if i can find my copy, will share some quotes.
1 attorney : possibly derived from the Sanskrit (calling ORI for clarification) to mean to twist (as in language), said twisting having no inherent basis in morality.
There's a difference between legal and lawful.
A legal system is not a system of law.
What about our new vice chairsatan? Former head of the central bank of Israel. But, then again, Israel is just a toy of the Rothschild cabal, and the USSA is just a provincial territory of the state of Israel. We are kind of Israel's Guam.
LOL - would be funny if not so tragic. Persons......not citizens eh?
I believe there are several definitions with different meanings of being a citizen of the United States of America. I am guessing the one the NSA uses makes everyone persons in the US.
So are we saying that some members of Congress are suspected terrorists? Then of course we should be spying on them - we need to expose those fuckers - then hang them. What is this world coming to when our elected officials are involved in terrorism!!!!!!
Next thing you know they'll be spying on Donald Duck - because his is the leader of Al Qaeda
Is that the good al Queda or the bad al Queda?
They're from Syria......those are the good guys.
Senator Bernie Sanders the core activities of the NSA is as follows:
1. gather data on all US persons in influential/power positions upto and including POTUS.
2. gather same on all foreign persons in positions of influence or power.
3. gather data on all domestic and foreign persons who are vocal, agitate, or one day may come into positions of influence
4. gather inudstrial espionage data
The Core functioin of the NSA is having gathered the above to use it as leverage/blackmail against any and all to suit the wants/needs of a small fraction of the 1%. The NSA is the Ultimate universal strength Mafia Standover merchant.
NSA were shocked to find that Senator Sanders had been left off their blackmail list and are now combing through their records, the nusicance will soon be remedied. Senator Sanders will be soon saying that the NSA is doing a good job.
The core function of the NSA is Intelligence, both SIGINT and HUMINT.
The clients are many from the IRS, DEA, DHS, to the USPS
The clients also include every USA friendly gubmint on the planet.
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The core function of NSA/CIA is to make sure the world trades in USD, and now the reason they have made NSA public to the world, is now the world will go SDR, and the IMF(USA/CIA), wants the world to know that whatever they do is watched, and if you use another currency than allowed, they know it, and you get droned.
IHMO BTC is part of their 'friendly' instruments.
Free? Don't pay your property taxes see what happens. Start a new job and demand they pay you cash instead of direct deposit. Better yet demand they pay you in silver or gold. Here is how free I found out I am actually. I had a flat tire on my car one suburb over from home on a little traveled road. A cop stopped to offer help and put flashers on to alert traffic as where the flat happened there was no shoulder but woods all the way to the road. When I was done and putting the flat away in my trunk he asked me for my drivers license. I asked him why he needed my drivers license as really it was none of his business who the hell I was. He said procedure while puffing out his chest like a peacock. I had a decision to make. Disagree with him and hope I got one phone call to the wife or reach for my license. i don't have a very successful record of people skills in my background when dealing with the POPO so I gave him the license. Matter of fact on my first date with the wife 30 some years ago I was pulled over in a county park while looking for a place to park,,, if you all get my drift. Another story for another day. Free. Yesterday is gone for America. It saddens me, greatly. Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves. Taxation without representation began one war in our country's past and maybe it is time for another. I am game. I must stop, as the blood pressure thingy is acting up.
I can understand asking for the license before he helped, but after?
Unless that road is a private road it's considered a public right-of-way, and anyone traveling it has to conform to its general rules. Yeah, sucks. It's always been that way. Difference today is that we're now all treated as suspects first (and this is why my question above is interesting).
I know someone whose tactic is DELAY when approached. Takes a really, R E A L L Y long time to fetch the "necessary documents." And, from what I gather that you're older, being older you can get away with it moreso than some younger person (because old folks are slow).
Next question: Does the NSA spy on the NSA? If yes, please keep that program going. Better increase it in size every week.
Well we all know that the info the NSA is gathering is not being used for the common good.
We know that because there is still corporate crime and political corruption, gangs, drug smuggling and other criminals running free, so they owners of the NSA must be using this data for criminal activity as well!
kind of adds up.
Would spying on the NSA, an illegal organization and illegal use of tax payer's money be legal?
Fungoo muta fuckas ...........
Members of Congress, it is time to swat team Clapper's office with the US Navey Seals and haul his treasonous ass down to Gitmo for the latest in questioning technology.
Better send him to North Korea, so he can have a look into the future.
Every member of the Legislative Branch, the Executive Branch, and the Judicial Branch is on notice that the Surveillance State sees all and knows all. That this Orwellian state of affairs (the logical outcome of such rampant insanity) is utterly self-destructive should be obvious.
Destroy privacy; destroy society.
So hunker down — http://readynutrition.com/resources/52-weeks-to-preparedness-an-introduc... — and otherwise go about your business.
The Particular Structure of the New Government and the Distribution of Power Among Its Different Parts.
For the Independent Journal. Wednesday, January 30, 1788.
MADISON
To the People of the State of New York:
The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.
Wonder how Bernie is going to respond to his ultra high colonoscope AKA IRS audit?
I'm guessing that he would be the only one who could pass such test. ( In congress that is)
Seems it is time to forgive past bad behavior. If all that is holding the country hostage is information on political figures in USA, then announce WE FORGIVE YOU for any and all indiscretions up to and including infidelity/homosexual acts, tax evasion, insider trading (before it was made legal). Tell your politicians that you are on their side if they are on your side.
I, for one, welcome our Benevolent Overlords into my life. Execute anyone who chafes under their yoke, I say, for the good of ALL persons, be they black or white, rich or poor, Chinese or Kenyan. All glory must be unto Them, the Superior Beings, for they don't just control our fates, they are Fate itself. They are the Destiny of all Humanity. I bow before their omnipotence and pledge my fealty to their whims. Amen.
Is that the King James version?
more like the per version
"Remotely legal?"
It's not even remotely illegal.
It is completely, utterly, irrevocably and totally illegal.
There is such a thing as the Constitution.
There is such a thing as the 4th amendment. It's not rocket science. It's written in plain English.
By convention, the constitution is held as the governing principle or foundation for government.
The Bill of Rights clarifies and codifies important relations between said government and the People.
Only those various and sundry scumbag, psychopathic politicians, like Bill from Arkansas, will try to debate what the meaning of "is" is. Everyone knows what it means.
The NSA has taken the 4th amendment, swallowed it, shit it out and left it on your door step in a brown paper bag on fire.
One can't say those guys don't have a sense of humor.
But their programs are as legal as the action in the Sopranos. Good show. Bad life.
If they want the info, get a friggin warrant, and not from some secret kangaroo court. If they want to suveil me and have probable cause and a judge signs off on it, let it rip.
If not, then f-ck off. The last thing you want to do, Spooky, is get middle America angry. And brother, they're starting to get very angry.
Lets do the math:
1. USA sticks the nose into anything going in the world - cost is $Y
2. NSA, Homeland Security and many other government apparatus (as a result of above) - cost is $X
3. Profit from $Y and $X = $Z
While $Y and $X are being financed by US taxpayers, there is definetaly a profit from $Y and $X, which is $Z and it is only shared by a few.
If #1 is eliminated the #2 will be eliminated as consequence. That is a ripoff effect. The tax payer should vote to elimitate $Y as there is no ROI for the taxpayer.
NSA prints its own USD just like the FED, the NSA pulls USD out of its arse.
The USA taxpayers haven't funded the USA since the 1970's.
This is the big fucking lie.
The NSA RULES the world, they print their own USD, and their intelligence tells them who to kill if anybody stands in the way of USD reserve status.
To suggest that the USA taxpayer is control is BULLSHIT.
This is why Alexander can give US congress the fucking BIRD, because the NSA is self financing, they are the FED.
I agree that USA is being funded by Chinese, Japanese and other debt holders, but effectively US taxpayer are responsible for the debt, not the NSA, not the President of the US, nor the senate or congress. K. Alexander salary is paid by US taxpayers at the end of the day.
There is NO DEBT, the FED or NSA call it what you want have printed ( pulled out of their ASS ) trillions of USD's, they don't have to be paid back to anybody, just a permanent entry on a balance-sheet that eventually will get reset.
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Nobody is fucking FUNDING the PRINTING-PRESS, nobody that is ALL MYTH, not the JAPs, not the CHINESE and certainly NOT the USA taxpayer.
The NSA/CIA which control the FED get all the money they need to do what they wish, and its been this way since the 1950's.
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Fucking MYTHOLOGY that the MONEY USD's that is burnt by the US-MIL has to be paid back, the NSA/US-MIL controls the world, gets everything it wants for FREE, and if you don't like it you can DIE.
Now ask yourself how can Social security run out of money, when we can print as much as we like whwnevere we want.
the only reason to underfund S.s. is to keep the elderly silent, those old birds have no fear of the system and are tired of being screwed over, keeping them in poverty assures their silence,.
Let's call this the grand fuck illusion,
I'm now watching 'the last waltz' bob Dylan's "The Band", my Tibetian wife is cooking an awesome meal, and I spent the entire day outside playing my guitar, life is fucking good living far from the USA.
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I agree the USA can never run out of money, the entire premise of DEBT, and FSA is an illusion, the entire world is on their knees and gladly send their daughters to be whores for a few USD's, how in the name of fucking hell could anybody had ever predicted that worthless paper would go so far?
Allow me to get back to my music, I'm flying now having drunk BAIJIU all day, love xxooxx
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Will the USA rot in HELL, fuck yes, ... when? Fucking we can only wish.
Where's there a DC sniper when you really need one?
http://criminalminds.wikia.com/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammad_and_Lee_Boyd_Malvo
'U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (Ind: Vt.) was the only U.S. Senator to vote against the G.W.Bush Adm., Iraq War Resolution!!!' http://www.sanders.senator.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senator-sanders-votes-yes-on-resolution-to-disapprove-of-iraq-war-escalation 2/17/07
http://www.sanders.senator.gov/newsroom/recent-business/war-in-iraq 3/19/13
Please note that U.S. Sen (D: Vt) Patrick Moynihan is a POS!
Moynihan died in 2003. Sanders is a piece of work himself, I guess he is to the left what Ron Paul was to the right.
my apologies. how the late patrick moynihan [ny] got slipped in with patrick leahy [vt] are absolutey a predispose freudian slip on my part.
i grew up in vermont... and the people are very independent and self sustaining-- deep thoughts speak louder than actionable inaction?
My prediction is the SCOTUS rules since it can't be stopped and they aren't gonna stop, they rule if the government wants to look at the data it needs a search warrant.
Government will concur as NO ONE will refuse a warrant anyway.
"It's a relief to know that Congress doesn't get a special carve-out (they're just like us!). But the egalitarianism of it all will likely be of little comfort to Sanders."
Note the clever word play? They basically acknowledge we're all being spied on so at least it's fair. Then state Sanders won't be comforted by it - well no fucken shit - but the rest of us be damned (who cares about us) but the mighty *Sanders* well he and his club have a right to be upset.
ya... still-- don't get it! do ya?
'a true artist has many a brush... but only the great ones have a favorite broad-brush,... first glazing the canvas chiaroscuro in a swimming piquant opaque?'
Rembrandt, loved self portraits?!?
Oh I get it alright. They (The MSM) are conditioning everyone to just get used it and bad luck if ya don't like it.
Re your quote though, well that took a few readings heh.
What about World of Warcraft and Second Life? Is CONgress safe there?
If Carrington Events weren't enough, think about what would happen if an Asteroid exploded in air, or hit the earth. In 2013 a planet killing Asteroid made a pass and the Egg Heads didn't even notice until a month later "hey what is that planet killing rock which is flying away from us now?" Jeez, we deserve better.
I made cool spreadsheet that turns Asteroid Diameter into equivalent atomic bombs going off. The one that missed us in 2013 would have been 4440 Atomic bombs. What would that do towards having 440 nuclear power plants melting down. If the asteroid wasn't an ELE the nuke plants would sure finish the job.
Free download, check it out.
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/01/another-asteroid-enters-ear...
If Carrington Events weren't enough, think about what would happen if an Asteroid exploded in air, or hit the earth. In 2013 a planet killing Asteroid made a pass and the Egg Heads didn't even notice until a month later "hey what is that planet killing rock which is flying away from us now?" Jeez, we deserve better.
I made cool spreadsheet that turns Asteroid Diameter into equivalent atomic bombs going off. The one that missed us in 2013 would have been 4440 Atomic bombs. What would that do towards having 440 nuclear power plants melting down. If the asteroid wasn't an ELE the nuke plants would sure finish the job.
Free download, check it out.
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2014/01/another-asteroid-enters-ear...