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JFK Shuts Down After Plane Skids Off "Ice Skating Rink" Runway: Entire Nation Blanketed In Subzero Deep Freeze

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Update: JFK has now reopened.

It's cold out there. Cold enough that JFK's runways are so frozen, airplanes literally are skidding off runways, which is what happened seconds ago to a Delta airplane landing at JFK.The result: JFK is now closed until further notice.

From NBC:


Officials announced that John F. Kennedy International Airport was closed Sunday morning because of inclement weather. The announcement came shortly after a plane that had landed at the airport skidded while exiting a runway.


A freezing rain advisory is in effect for much of the tri-state area.


The FAA said Delta Connection 4100, which originated in Toronto and was being flown by Endeavor Air, landed on runway 22 at the airport at 8 a.m. and slid into a snow bank as it was moving toward a taxiway. The plane was towed to the gate with passengers on board.


No injuries were reported, and the FAA is investigating.

It's not just the airports:

But that's just New York: elsewhere America is gripped in a cold spell which may beat all records, as 140 million Americans are expected to see subzero temperatures in the coming days, including the deep south.

As CNN reports, "The deep freeze gripping much of the country is about to send temperatures plummeting to unbelievable lows. Parts of the Midwest and Great Plains will plunge as low as 30 degrees below zero on Sunday. That's where the Green Bay Packers will host the San Francisco 49ers in what could be the coldest football game in NFL history. By Wednesday, nearly half the nation -- 140 million people -- will shudder in temperatures of zero or lower, forecasters said. Even the Deep South will endure single-digit or sub-zero temperatures."

What to expect around the country:

As if the 30-below-zero temperatures weren't frigid enough, the wind chill in much of Midwest and Great Plains could drop to minus 50, the National Weather Service said. And that's on top of the moderate to heavy snow possible over the Great Lakes and Ohio Valley on Sunday.


"Brutal conditions will continue pushing southeastward to the Ohio Valley and Mid-South by Monday, and to the Northeast and Mid-Atlantic by Tuesday," the weather agency said. "Afternoon highs on Monday for parts of the Midwest states and the Ohio Valley will fail to reach zero degrees."

But nobody will have it worse than some 70,000 Green Bay Packers fans who may see frigid conditions as bad as -40 with the wind chill:

More than 70,000 hardcore Packers fans hoping to see their team get
closer to the Super Bowl will have their loyalty tested Sunday as they
endure temperatures as low as 15-below-zero in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
With the wind, the air could feel as cold as minus-30 to minus-40
degrees to the sold-out crowd.


The Packers will give free hand warmers, hot chocolate and coffee to the fans braving the cold on Sunday, spokesman Aaron Popkey said.


In Embarrass, Minnesota, residents wondered whether they might see their record-cold temperature of 64 below zero, set in 1996, snap like an icicle.


"I've got a thermometer from the weather service that goes to 100 below," resident Roland Fowlei told CNN affiliate KQDS. "If it gets that cold, I don't want to be here."

Even the Deep South won't be spared:

The arctic blast threatens to sweep subzero lows as far south as Alabama and plunge much of the Deep South into the single digits.


To put things in perspective, the weather in Atlanta on Monday will be colder than in Anchorage, Alaska, CNN meteorologist Pedram Javaheri said.


Freezing rain is also possible along the Appalachians all the way up to New England over the next couple of days, the National Weather Service said.


The low temperatures and wind chill are a dangerous recipe for rapid frostbite or hypothermia.


"Exposed flesh can freeze in as little as five minutes with wind chills colder than 50 below," the National Weather Service's Twin Cities office in Minnesota said. Forecasters there warned of "the coldest air in two decades.


Over the past week, at least 13 people have died from weather-related conditions.


Eleven people died in road accidents -- including one man crushed as he was moving street salt with a forklift.


One man in Wisconsin died of hypothermia. And an elderly woman with Alzheimer's disease in New York state wandered away from her home and was found dead in the snow in a wooded area about 100 yards away.

Finally, those who can avoid to travel should do so:

The already dreadful stream of stranded passengers and canceled flights will only get worse., which tracks cancellations due to both weather and mechanical problems, said more than 1,500 flights have been canceled for Sunday. That's after 4,500 flights were called off on Friday and Saturday.


In Chicago, a plane headed to Las Vegas slid off the taxiway at O'Hare International Airport on Saturday night. None of the passengers on Spirit Flight 245 were injured, an airlines spokeswoman said.


But with the Windy City inundated by snow, O'Hare will have more troubles Sunday. About 1,000 inbound or outbound flights have already been canceled, according to

And some photos from the frozen country:

Basketball fans brave the cold and snow as they cross to the United Center in Chicago on Saturday, January 4.


People go sledding in Prospect Park in Brooklyn, New York, on Saturday, January 4.


Snow is piled high in front of a Home Depot in Boston on January 4 after a two-day winter storm.

Michael Stanton walks between houses covered with ice in the shore town of Scituate, Massachusetts, on Friday, January 3. 


Frost covers the windows at the Morning Glory natural food store where a customer wearing a mask braves 0-degree Fahrenheit temperatures to shop in Brunswick, Maine, on January 3. 


Surfers make their way through snow on New York's Rockaway Beach on January 3. 


A man walks down a snowy road along the shore in Scituate, Massachusetts, on January 3. 


People play in Prospect Park in Brooklyn, New York, on January 3.


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Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:36 | 4301475 rtalcott
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Parts of the Midwest and Great Plains will plunge as low as 30 degrees below zero on Sunday


At least in MN -40 (Extra credit question C or F?) is NOT uncommon.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:40 | 4301483 GetZeeGold
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Global warming don't get to call it climate change.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:52 | 4301508 firstdivision
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Cause NE US = global?!?  

Meanwhile in the other parts of the globe

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:53 | 4301518 kridkrid
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So very cold in the winter and very warm in the summer. As the teenage girls say, that's cray cray.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:58 | 4301523 Headbanger
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Cray is a computer.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:59 | 4301532 Stackers
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62 on the 3rd coast this morning. Looking for 27 tonight and 20 tomorrow ........brrr

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:08 | 4301548 krispkritter
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Who's the chick with the balls on her chin?  Is that Lewinsky?

Sunny and 65 here in Central FL.  

Hope all you Zero(temp)Hedger's are snuggled warmly by your monitors, drinks in hand!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:34 | 4301619 kaiserhoff
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Would someone please shove an ice berg, up Al Gore's ass?

PS.  It would be really cool, if you painted the ZH logo on it;)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:03 | 4301676 Oh regional Indian
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Kinda on-topic, kinda important I feel, please read and share....for this h1n1 thing that seems to be growing...

Stay healthy boyz....

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:12 | 4301684 Fukushima Sam
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There ain't no global warming.

There ain't no "peak oil".

There ain't no NSA illegal spying on Americans.

There ain't no impending global financial crisis.

There ain't no threat of immediate harm.

Everything's fine, folks.  Stop worrying!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:25 | 4301711 old naughty
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Resident at Massena, NY (Cornwall, ON for Canucks) advised: 

"Nothing new here...And Global Warming is (such) an old term, it's climate change (now)"

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:48 | 4302130 wee-weed up
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How cold is it?...

It's so cold the politicians have their hands in their OWN pockets!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:30 | 4301730 upWising
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YOU can do YOUR part to support Amercian Freedom & Liberty©!!!

• DRINK ALCOHOL ("If a little is good, a lot is better")

• WATCH AND BELIEVE YOUR TELEVISION ("If it's on the TeeVee, it's got to be TRUE!")

• TAKE YOUR MEDICATION AS DIRECTED ("If it comes from the Pharmacy, it's Good For You!")

• GENEROUSLY SUPPORT YOUR PREACHER ("Shiny suits, big rings, and fancy cars don't come cheap!")

• BUY LOTS OF STUFF ("Push hard on that closet door!  It will close!")

but above all....

HAVE FAITH AND CONFIDENCE IN THE SYSTEM ("They know what's best and they KNOW exactly what they are doing!").


Amercia is Jesus' Favorite Country! ©

(Let the congregation say "AMEN!")

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:35 | 4301734 Headbanger
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Anybody else notice the fire fighters in the top photo wearing fire resistant suits are using spades to shovel snow?

Must be the only shovels they have on their rig but WTF?  Where's the JFK snow plowing crew??  Oh that's right...The Sequester !!


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:26 | 4301941 jbvtme
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just biding their time until that coffee break vests into a pension

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:26 | 4302088 aint no fortuna...
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this should be good for 80-100 SPX points to the upside

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:00 | 4302180 A Nanny Moose
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Union Coffee break.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:39 | 4302864 Oath_Keeper
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Those shovels were designed to hold exactly two point two pounds of snow in them, the maximum leveraged weight allowed by their contract.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:34 | 4302446 Ranger_Will
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Mon, 01/06/2014 - 03:50 | 4303778 darteaus
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2 out of 6!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:24 | 4301713 TheFourthStooge-ing
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It'll be interesting to see how this arctic blast affects the garlic I planted in October. It may just be coincidental, but it seems like a good cold spell gives it more of a bite. I guess I'll find out in six months.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:25 | 4302076 akak
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Ah, ah, getting ready to wok the dog?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:18 | 4302586 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ah, ah, getting ready to wok the dog?

Funny as a sea elephant. US citizenist county government prohibits wokking dogs. Selling dog licensure pours revenue enhancement on county fundmentation fruitfully.

Quite a hard fact to admit for Chinese citizenism citizens who throat the idea they favor wokking freely.

Comical. Always the same pattern with Chinese citizenism citizens, the non participating entity is to be blamed for any disruption.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:31 | 4302639 akak
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Ah, scraping the goat once again and calling it a cat in the shat.  Same old 'american' song and dancing.

US 'american' citizenism citizens prohibiting wokking of dogs only because of irrational and unhealthy prejudicing against roadside squattings following such, as natural urges demand.  Thinking that captialist roader flush stool of Thomas Crapper inventionizing is taking care of problem, not hardly.  Only sends problem down the tubes and into ocean and onto gloriously clean shores of Chinese Citizenism fabled past.

Always it is do as I say, not as I do-do.

Make me laugh.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:37 | 4302982 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Made me laugh many times loudly to read this kinds of big stuff.

Djeeee, US citizens have a long history in scraping the bowl of scapesgoatery. Has it fared well? Yep.

US citizenism frowns on wokking dogs while selling that frying a few scorpions and a lonesome crow in the cooking marmit is good old US citizenism of A ingenautitude. That factual observation... hard under the belt blow for most propagandists in here.

Incidentally, it leads me to  something, just connecting. Cooking marmitation unselectively their hallucinogenic toads tells how US citizen cookmongers inventionated Flying Spaghetti Monstrositarianism. Reminding their start is needed as so many love to rave about a fabled pasta.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:38 | 4302461 ForTheWorld
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I wish the area of Australia I live in would get cold enough (it used to, but it's a few degrees Centigrade warmer in Winter now) so I could grow Garlic again.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:24 | 4302605 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Have you tried placing some garlic cloves in the freezer for a couple of months before planting them? You might also want to try growing some garlic varieties, such as Vietnamese, which have become acclimated to warmer environments.

Just tryin' to help.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:32 | 4302632 Ralph Spoilsport
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A few years ago, Katy ordered some heirloom garlic from one place in MN and another in upstate NY. She's had great results with both strains and the ones she gave to friends are doing great in a variety of climates on the east coast.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:52 | 4301782 krispkritter
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Sure, and we'd still have room for the Titanic alongside. WB7! Where are you!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:41 | 4301629 Winston Churchill
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Plunged below 75 down here in south Florida.

Might even need a sheet on the bed if fit gets any colder.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:37 | 4301737 Headbanger
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So!!??  Our golf courses aren't nearly as crowded as down there!  

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:07 | 4301805 Winston Churchill
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We don't need green/red balls down here, both golf and  the shrunken type.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:26 | 4301934 HulkHogan
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I was in Florida last week and I have never been soooo cold. I wish I brought my snow pants.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:31 | 4301946 jbvtme
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WC...what's the ocean water temp in your neck of the woods?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:33 | 4302107 Winston Churchill
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Around 73, the sharks love it.

They found a human foot inside a shoe on the beach last weekend.Fresh.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:00 | 4302910 akak
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Obviously then that is the other foot.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 03:18 | 4303748 Artifice
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Feet in shoes is the most common body part to wash up.

My guess is that the bouyancy of the rubber makes it float when the ankle joint rots away, but hell, it could also be that sharks hate Reeboks.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:41 | 4301630 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Who's the chick with the balls on her chin?

She looks a bit POTUS-like.

Sunny and 65 here in Central FL.

Overcast and 36F (2C) in NE Ohio, with rain and snow mix today/tonight, which will create a nice sheen of ice on everything before dropping to 13F. (Should be OK as long as the weight of the ice doesn't snap the power lines.) Tomorrow it's supposed to drop to 6F and then overnight to -14F. Tuesday's high should be around -2F (-19C).

Looking for a report from Jack Burton on conditions in theLake Superior/Frostbite Falls, MN area.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:35 | 4302102 Terminus C
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balmy -25 C here in northern Alberta, gonna go out for a ski. Hit -35ish last night.

Normal shit...

for all you Yanks enjoying the cold... welcome to my world ;)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:55 | 4302154 akak
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And to confirm the article above, it is very comfortable and calm and in the lower 30s as I write this on Sunday morning in Southcentral Alaska.  We have not yet gone lower than about -10 F this winter yet, and I have seen winters here in which the temperature had only broken the 0F mark on one or two occasions, and then only barely.

I grew up in the Midwest, and I can conclusively state that winters here in the southern half of Alaska are MUCH easier to take (if longer) than in the bitterly winter-windy Midwest, even if the winter temperatures, on average, are somewhat lower (much not THAT much lower).

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:35 | 4302970 mt paul
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you guys down the SE

get the maritime influence

on your weather..

up in the interior

we've seen -40 a few times this year

no real hard cold yet...

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 06:05 | 4303872 zhandax
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On the brighter side, if algore is home, he will wake up to 4 degrees, warming to a balmy daytime high of 8.  Mother nature will shove that iceberg up his ass and we don't have to lift a finger.  Maybe he can finally reach that 2 handle on his power bill.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:08 | 4301552 malikai
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Maybe surfer kit has changed over the years, but those look like wetsuits.

I would not be keen on dipping in the north atlantic at this time of year in a wetsuit.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:11 | 4301567 remain calm
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Hey, Al Gore FU.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:23 | 4301598 mofreedom
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No shit, I hate that guy more than anyone in the world.  He's cost this world trillions of dollars in nonsense fixes and turned our children into sissies that care more about a polar bear than their personal well-being.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:50 | 4301631 TBT or not TBT
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He just tapped the end of religious guilt as the nation secularizes. Replaced it with environmental guilt and a science-y cult of the service of al Gore Inc, government workers, government beneficiaries, favored businesses, etc. it's a control freak dream having an Imperative that requires big government. Huge government. New strict pervasive rules. Ergo, global warming.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:53 | 4301652 mofreedom
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Yes, worshipping at the alter of "climate change" has supplanted worshipping at the alter of abortion.

Forcing these leftist religions on the US population sure smacks the face of separation of church and state.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:58 | 4301794 TBT or not TBT
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Abortion is population control in the global warming faith. Fits right in to the anti-humans thing. For these people, l'enfer, c'est les autres.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:11 | 4302569 phaedrus1952
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The Algorians are known far and wide for their zealotry.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:12 | 4301912 Yes We Can. But...
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Very well put.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:37 | 4302976 mt paul
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mmmmmmm children


taste like seals

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:16 | 4301576 max2205
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NSA don't surf!....oh wait

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:19 | 4301584 Son of Loki
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Wimps. When i was a kid i walked thru -20 snow sleet to school...uphill both ways!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:30 | 4301606 20834A
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Yeah. THIS was a snow storm!

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Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:36 | 4301736 qqqqtrader
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""Wimps. When i was a kid i walked thru -20 snow sleet to school...uphill both ways!""


yeh, same here but with hand-me-down shoes... and after school, we went to work in the frozen coal mines - we worked for free because we just thanked god we had a job!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:44 | 4301756 Handful of Dust
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You had shoes!?  You're one lucky SOB!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:16 | 4302577 phaedrus1952
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Feet?  You guys had FEET?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:54 | 4301886 malikai
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Holy shit.

You come from the future?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:37 | 4302111 U4 eee aaa
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What goes around comes around because we vote for it

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:38 | 4302851 monoloco
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Those lard sandwiches that mama made us sure were good though.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:28 | 4301848 ElvisDog
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Surfers are crazy. They'll surf anywhere and wetsuits are very common (almost required) on the West Coast. Here in WA, they use 9 mm wetsuits because the water temperature is 48 degrees F (9 C).

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 05:10 | 4303839 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Cray is a computer."~

Or a fish, (but it's not really a fish. It's a crustacean!)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:57 | 4301528 negative rates
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I know people who plan their vacations around these storms, just to challenge the weather.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:10 | 4301687 Oleander
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Your down vote just means you do not know any meteorologists. They will indeed fly off to parts unknown to experience extreme weather conditions.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:58 | 4301531 firstdivision
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Have no fear, China and India are coming to the rescue

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:08 | 4301555 AlaricBalth
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It's 78 degrees offshore here in Islamorada, Florida. Just caught a few snapper and a grouper for dinner. Had another on the line but a shark decided it wanted it more than us.

Stay warm and safe friends.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:23 | 4301599 lance_manion
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Nice. I could use a couple more days at Cheeca and Bud & Mary's about now!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:47 | 4301764 krispkritter
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Man, the Sportsmen season trips to the Keys!  Lazy Days was a good stop on the way down...and if we were really lazy, we'd grill lobster and toss it on top of a local pizza.  That's being spoiled...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:35 | 4301856 DaddyO
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After the fishing, head over to Noname Pub near Big Pine and Noname keys for something to wet the whistle and help slosh down one of the best Grouper sandwiches in the Keys.

30832 Watson Blvd, Big Pine Key, FL (305) 872-9115




Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:45 | 4301872 Things that go bump
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Why would you profane lobster by putting it on a pizza? Here in Minnesota we are about as far from the ocean as you can get and lobster is expensive and treated with proper reverence (and melted butter). 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:20 | 4301924 krispkritter
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Here it's abundant and simply dunking it in butter is an insult to taste buds.  We grill it, steam it, boil it, etc. with all manner of spices and fixin's and butter is simply for browning, not drowning.  

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:58 | 4302018 Things that go bump
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I do miss the east coast. I miss shrimp boil and oysters with hot sauce and fried clams and lobster and flounder. Instead, we get lutefisk and lefse proudly served up by all those Norwegian church ladies around Christmas as if it were a special treat.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:54 | 4302004 ross81
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can you make up the spare room? I'm on my way.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:08 | 4301815 cowdiddly
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Well, with first admitting I have not watched a footbll game since Tom landry was fired. I think I would bet on  the Packers for the WIN. That is if I was a betting man. just sayin....

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:55 | 4301522 Decolat
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Right. Those who dis GLOBAL climate change without looking past their own back yard are not seeing the entire picture.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:09 | 4301556 GetZeeGold
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Al that you.


Clearly you've not had your morning cup of'll feel better once you get a little Adrenochrome in you.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:41 | 4301623 Decolat
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I see I at least touched some kind of emotional response this morning. I'll give myself a downvote as well. Cheers!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:04 | 4301653 Millivanilli
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I guess you missed climategate. What do you call it when scientistist change data to fit their hypothesis?




Please ignore the numerous changes in climate prior to the origin of homo sapiens...  




Portland woman says Al Gore groped her in hotel room

In her detailed Jan. 8, 2009, statement to a Portland sexual assault investigator, the woman said she was called to the hotel about 10:30 p.m. Oct. 24, 2006, to provide a massage for Gore, who was registered under the name "Mr. Stone." Once inside his ninth-floor suite, she said he pushed her hand to his groin, fondled her buttocks and breasts, tongue-kissed her and threw her down on the bed as she tried to thwart his advances.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:45 | 4301767 TBT or not TBT
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"Conspiracy" might be apt as well. These are all big government beholden control freaks, and their solutions require not just pervasive government but cushy and important positions for themselves in the reordered society.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:13 | 4301916 NIHILIST CIPHER

Millivanilli      Did anyone ever get to the bottom of WHY Al Gore travels around with a portable refrigerator with blood in it? He is not a bleeder so WTF.  Enquiring minds want to know. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:17 | 4302933 StychoKiller
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'Cause ya never know where (or from whom!) that Red Cross blood has been!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:28 | 4302954 akak
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He's just protecting his precious bodily fluids from the rampages of ManBearPig.

I'm serial!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:27 | 4301935 sleigher
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I thought the climate was changing.  It is changing on all the other planets too though...  Didn't I read about ice melting on Mars or some moon of jupiter or something?  Maybe I am misremembering, but I thought climate change was real, only for the solar system rather than just earth.  

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:13 | 4301561 kridkrid
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Right... instead they should look at all of the models that the climate scientists used to fuel the fear mongering over the past decade and a half and recognize that they don't know what they are talking about. Global temps are not rising, seas are not rising, artic sea ice is not disappearing, etc. etc. etc.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:32 | 4301616 john39
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or just ask those smarty global warming scientists on that expedition down to antacrtica on that fancy boat...  they can tell you about global warming.  after all, it is summer down there, right?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:36 | 4301967 trader1
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it's more complex than that:

Essentially, the Antarctic is a continent of ice surrounded by cold water.

The Arctic is a semi-enclosed ocean, almost completely surrounded by land. Steadily warming land and sea temperatures have had a visible impact on the Arctic, with its extent reaching record lows in recent years.

The loss of ice in Antarctica does not appear to be as dramatic and it is even increasing in places, leading some to believe this means global warming is not occurring.

"When people talk about an increase in ice they are actually talking about sea ice, which is completely different from continental ice. Warmer oceans help melt the ice and make it thinner, which has been observed in the Arctic. In Antarctica it's more complicated. It is losing continental ice while sea ice has been increasing by about 1 per cent a decade," said Tony Press, chief executive of the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-operative Research Centre based at the University of Tasmania.


Studies have found Antarctica has lost about 100 billion tonnes of continental ice a year since 1993, causing the global sea level to rise by about 0.2mm a year.

The latest climate report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released last year, said there was "high confidence" that the Antarctic ice sheet had been losing ice during the past two decades.

But this loss, caused by warming oceans, has been countered by an increase in ice in the Ross Sea region. This is the result of a range of factors, including climate change.


Contrary to some of the more outlandish claims made by climate change deniers, the ship was not suddenly enveloped by ice due to rapidly plummeting temperatures.

It was pinned by ice from the Mertz glacier, a well-established ice formation.

"In the last few years the ice near where the ship is bogged has become less accessible," Press said. "This will eventually break up and move away, depending on wind patterns, storms, tidal activity and ambient temperatures. These are variable, local conditions."

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:42 | 4301980 john39
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yes, of course.  global warming built all that ice.   jeez, shilling for global warming has got to be a tough line of work these days, no?  I mean, come on...  ice caused by global warming?  do you think that anyone actually believes that crap?

somewhere God is laughing at the NWO...  rolling with laughter.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:53 | 4302157 trader1
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we're all god.  and we like to laugh at ourselves.

so right back at ya!  


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:56 | 4301628 trader1
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The planet has continued to accumulate heat since 1998 - global warming is still happening. Nevertheless, surface temperatures show much internal variability due to heat exchange between the ocean and atmosphere. 1998 was an unusually hot year due to a strong El Nino.

Sea levels are measured by a variety of methods that show close agreement - sediment cores, tidal gauges, satellite measurements. What they find is sea level rise has been steadily accelerating over the past century

Arctic sea ice has been retreating over the past 30 years. The rate of retreat is accelerating and in fact is exceeding most models' forecasts.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:53 | 4301654 SAT 800
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There are no forecasts. There are no models. Die Fool. You're an idiot. The Artic Ice disappeared in 1940-41; and no body noticed because there was no propaganda campaign to make "News" out of it. It comes and goes for it's own reasons when it feels like it. It's none of our business. What you've been brainwashed to believe is a "model" is a pile of crap of childish computer programming that;s been trimmed to deliver whatever result it's goofy, paid off, creator wanted in the first place. There's no trend; no prediction. It was warmer in 900AD then it is now you fucking moron. The most effective propaganda is what you're never told; and you're too lazy to look up.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:21 | 4301702 trader1
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sorry brah, but the joke is on you:

Clearly the extent of Arctic sea ice during 1938-43 was nowhere near as low as current levels, based on these data.  According to this reconstruction, the minimum extent during that timeframe (9.8 million square kilometers in 1940) was higher than it has been at any time since 1979.  In other words, Arctic sea ice extent has been lower than it was in 1938-43 during the entire satellite record, and the current average summer extent is approximately 4.3 million square kilometers lower than the 1940 minimum.

It's true that according to this dataset, 1940 was a local minimum - the lowest Arctic sea ice extent of the 20th Century up to that point, and a minimum that was not repeated again for another 20 years.  In that sense one could argue that Arctic sea ice extent at least in 1940 was "very low" compared to the early and mid 20th Century, but compared to the past 20 years it was actually very high.  This is also clear from a visual comparison of sea ice extents in 1938 and 2012

While the Medieval Warm Period saw unusually warm temperatures in some regions, globally the planet was cooler than current conditions.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:11 | 4301819 Frozen
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Right.  I know scientific nomenclature and accuracy in language means nothing anymore in our postmodern world where everything is comfortable and stable (go back to sleep), but heat is not the same thing as temperature.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:58 | 4301659 SAT 800
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Anyone capable of stating that a given year was warm, globally, due to El Nino; is not qualified to discuss this subject; and that's you, shit brain.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:04 | 4301671 TBT or not TBT
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Sea level has been mostly rising since the end of the previous ice age. It does that during short interglacial periods like the one we live in.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:53 | 4301781 trader1
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and your point?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:09 | 4301813 john39
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global temperature variation is caused by fluctuations in the sun's output.  not carbon.   so go fucking tax the sun.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:38 | 4301859 trader1
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sun can be a factor, but it's not the primary one of the last generation:

In the last 35 years of global warming, the sun has shown a slight cooling trend. Sun and climate have been going in opposite directions. In the past century, the Sun can explain some of the increase in global temperatures, but a relatively small amount.

Ironically, even arch-skeptics Soon and Baliunas, who would like to lay most of the blame for recent warming at the doorstep of solar effects, came to a compatible conclusion in their own energy balance model study. Namely, any model that was sensitive enough to yield a large response to recent solar variability would yield an even larger response to radiative forcing from recent (and therefore also future) CO2 changes. As a result, their "best fit" of climate sensitivity for the twentieth century is comfortably within the IPCC range.

    This aspect of their work is rarely if ever mentioned by the authors themselves, and still less in citations of the work in skeptics' tracts such as that distributed with the "Global Warming Petition Project."

The claim that solar cycle length proves the sun is driving global warming is based on a single study published in 1991. Subsequent research, including a paper by a co-author of the original 1991 paper, finds the opposite conclusion. Solar cycle length as a proxy for solar activity tells us the sun has had very little contribution to global warming since 1975.

A full reading of Tung 2008 finds a distinct 11 year solar signal in the global temperature record. However, this 11 year cycle is superimposed over the long term global warming trend. In fact, the authors go on to estimate climate sensitivity from their findings, calculate a value between 2.3 to 4.1°C. This confirms the IPCC estimate of climate sensitivity.

When CO2 levels were higher in the past, solar levels were also lower. The combined effect of sun and CO2 matches well with climate.


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:32 | 4301957 john39
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these theories have been shown to replete with rigged and cherry-picked data.    The obvious goal is more central control, more taxation and more tyranny.  why would any sane person trust anything being used to push huge changes on an already stressed out population?  "trust us- its for your own good"....   no thanks.   come back to me in 50 years and then we see how all the 'global warming' theory holds up.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:49 | 4302000 trader1
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define "huge changes".

explain why such "huge changes" are bad for you and other homo sapiens.



the "obvious goal" is a tendency towards centralize control in a technological society.  that's why you see climate scientists doing their best to understand wtf is happenning, put the data out there, and keep their fingers crossed that the various governance structures align policies to extend our species' habitability on earth as long as possible.  but, maybe you'd prefer the future mass extinction of our species due to levers that could have been used to prevent that outcome.  but, hey, it's hard to know if you're just a jokester or an honest idiot.  


btw, if you want to opt-out of techno society, then go off-grid and abstain from interacting with the rest of the techno-society.  that means no phone, no internet, no tv, ...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:54 | 4302153 john39
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Huh? Who said anything about opting out of technology. On the contrary, opting out of the global warming scam is simply opting out of artificially inflated energy prices and taxes. Climate change is a religion built from rigged science.

The mass extinction, if it occurs at all, will be brought about by the misguided and evil collectivist policies brought about by the same liars behind the global warming scam.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:45 | 4302247 trader1
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government/corporate/ngo/family (overall society) structures and the technology which has "advanced/progressed" over the last few hundred years has given us a status quo - "techno society" that we'll call it - which doesn't exist without the massive extraction and burning of carbon-based energy resources (and resultant emissions).  

what the science says:

 (and i know you must appreciate science, because you enjoy typing away on a comment forum of a website and making a fool out of yourself)

so, if we are to continue at the current pace of carbon-based energy extraction and burning thereof, resulting in further cumulative CO2 emissions, then we have a high likelihood that we'll see a minimum 4 C rise in temp over the next 100 years with massive ecological effects, among which will be the continued reduction in fish stocks of which most of the world's poor rely upon as a main source of nutrition as well as the mass migrations of people away from coastal areas.  so what do we do?  we try to circulate scientific, peer-reviewed research about the threat to institutions who are not captured by the "big carbon-based energy complex" and who can implement a governance over the future direction of energy policies, which will need to shift towards alternatives and perhaps more conservational practices that would involve america giving up its #1 spot as C02 emitter per capita as well as its #2 spot in energy consumption per capita.  i know that growing up in america, we are told we have to be #1 but these are not the rankings where you want to be at the top.  


final advice (posed in the form of a question) on denying climate change, man-induced global warming, and that we can't do anything about it:

do you really want to be the jewish guy living in 1939 nazi germany thinking that everything's going to be ok and doing nothing about the circumstances in which you find yourself?


if you really want to get away from "tyranny", then your best bet is to opt-out of the status quo "techno society" (defined above) by going off-grid with alternative energy and food/water supply chains.  otherwise, you're just the napoleonic-complexed guy who's an asshole douche-bag, groping people, arguing with and fighting the bouncer while trying to stay in the night club.  

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:03 | 4302354 Jam
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The only one making an idiot out of himself is you, shit for brains.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:09 | 4302376 trader1
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actually, it's you.

care to offer a counter-argument?


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 03:51 | 4303775 Artifice
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Arguing about climate change is about as persuasive as arguing about politics and religion. All it does is piss people off.

Instead, I argue that there's no good reason to keep using fossil fuels while knowing that they will run out. There's no downside to green power, only less of an upside if global warming is bupkiss. Expensive? Sure. Worth it? More likely than not.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:22 | 4302599 SilverRhino
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sun can be a factor, but it's not the primary one of the last generation:

You sir are a fucking moron.  The two biggest factors in determining temperature on a planet in the habitable zone of a star.

Sun (distance from it, behavior, variability) 

Water Vapor 

CO2 is a DISTANT third.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:28 | 4303274 butchtrucks
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Stop baffling us with facts and figures and such like.  You pointed headed nerds are all the same with your numbers and statistics.  We dont CARE about your book-learning.  You probably wear glasses. We know that climate change is a hoax foisted on us by LIBTARDS like yourself.  Fox News tells us it ain't happening and that is good enough for me.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:28 | 4301830 TBT or not TBT
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I'm guessing that changing CO2 levels were not a cause of the current interglacial period. Also, this interglacial period has been longer than the last several. Does this...bother you, trader1?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:54 | 4301889 trader1
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just trying to figure out where you sit on the issue...

why would it bother me when you're making a valid point based on science?

When the Earth comes out of an ice age, the warming is not initiated by CO2 but by changes in the Earth's orbit. The warming causes the oceans to release CO2. The CO2 amplifies the warming and mixes through the atmosphere, spreading warming throughout the planet. So CO2 causes warming AND rising temperature causes CO2 rise.  Overall, about 90% of the global warming occurs after the CO2 increase.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:37 | 4301741 Jlasoon
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Yes, because the Late Cretaceous Period never occurred. <-------------Warmest in History... (Dino Era) 

Is there anything more narcissist than climate change. I mean first there's Facebook, then Twitter, and now people actually believe they are causing a shift in planetary climate. As though Venus is not suffering from a massive greenhouse effect. 



Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:28 | 4301849 TDoS
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Oh your an expert on the weather and climate cycles of other planets?  Please, let us bask in your genius. 

Two people in the same house can throw up for different reasons.  Anyone who brings up other planets in this discussion is truly a moron.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:13 | 4302210 Jlasoon
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This is the problem with climate-itis (swelling in the brain that causes violent outbursts due to world view being challenged). 

According to wasteful plasmic particles such as yourself, cyclical cycles don't exist in nature, the sun's hydrogen fusion rate is always constant, and the Cretaceous Period never occurred.

I'm no genius my friend, but along the way some of us have lost the ability to think critically. The science and art of asking questions tends to be the source of most knowledge. Wouldn't you agree?

There are plenty of UN documents I can start quoting concerning climate change to make myself sound logical and sophisticated to individuals with your IQ. The problem is most have been proven manipulated and/or doctored. And I agree, 2 people in one house can throw up for 2 very different reasons; but what is more likely? That they're throwing up for 2 different reasons, or that they're throwing up because they've contaminated each other? You don't need a medical degree for this one. 

Being a douche and having an IQ of room temperature doesn't make you less or more knowledgeable than me on climate change, it just makes you a Fucking ididot.    

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:52 | 4302498 ForTheWorld
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I've noticed a trend appearing here on ZH - shout people down if they buck the established ZH trends, and generally do it without any well reasoned counterpoint. "You're a fucking idiot" seems to suffice. The problem with this is it's exactly what people who post comments on ZH say about what mainstream media presenters do to anyone who deviates from the prevalent storylines provided.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:03 | 4302532 Freddie
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F Australia.   The USA has to waste more taxpayer money sending a US Coast Guard ice breaker because of those stupid climate change profs and some diploma mill university in Oz. They planned this phony expedition and got caught in the ice.

Load of rubbish.  Someone starts some brush fire in Australia and they scream GW.  The damn country has no water and can only support a smallish population.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:37 | 4303287 butchtrucks
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Yes - fuck Australia indeed.  Hate that place - full of Aussies.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 04:26 | 4303809 Artifice
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A bit of international aid makes your butt hurt? It's a drop in the bucket.

Nobody is screaming about GW - *bush fires are are part of life here. We're aware though, that hotter temps mean more severe fire seasons and we'd like to avoid that.

It's true we're a very dry country but by using what we have efficiently, we ensure there is enough to grow on.


Settle back into your Armchair of Expertise, don't waste your superior intellect on Australia.


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:52 | 4301515 J S Bach
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Where's Al Gore when you need him?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:59 | 4301537 firstdivision
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Touring some coastal homes that are up for sale.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:20 | 4301560 GetZeeGold
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Dude does love his beach houses.


Every morning he walks down the beach to the waters edge.......dammit.......nothing yet.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:56 | 4301655 Colonel Klink
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Dear Al,

When taking your walk to the waters edge, please keep walking.



Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:00 | 4301664 SAT 800
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Oh, if only.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:31 | 4301955 mofreedom
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p.s.  until your hat floats.

See you in hell Al!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:12 | 4301747 A Nanny Moose
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In all fairness, his Monteceito villa, near San Ysidro Rd and E. Mountain Dr., (assuming accuracy of available photographic evidence) sits between the 400 ft. and 600 ft contour lines. I suppose this is just high enough, for him to avoid rising sea levels.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:43 | 4302127 U4 eee aaa
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had to click....out of morbid curiosity when I saw that krispy kreme in the link

you hurt me bro

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:12 | 4302375 Clycntct
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Man I didn't need to look at that.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:17 | 4301583 ncdirtdigger
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"Where's AlGore when you need him?"

Off chasing ManBearPig as is his want. It may be why no one takes him serial. (or super super serial)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:05 | 4301678 Offthebeach
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Once a envirohack makes his 100 million they tend to just concentrate on jumping bones and the trophy wife.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:29 | 4301605 Ms. Erable
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Nobody needs Algore.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:05 | 4301673 TBT or not TBT
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If he's in that he will be burning a lot of fossil fuels.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:54 | 4301520 Headbanger
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But isn't CHANGE what Obama promised us way back when?? 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:59 | 4301535 negative rates
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Yea, they really meant change the year, it's still on, he got reelected.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:07 | 4301809 lakecity55
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He meant all you would have left after his trail of destruction would be spare change in your pockets.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:28 | 4301841 TDoS
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I'll call it global warming, because that's what it is.  Why do people pretend that global wamring doesnt include within the scope of it's theory, erratic weather patterns that include cold?

Alaska is setting record warm temperatures this winter, FYI.  And right now where it is summer, ie. the southern hemisphere, Australia is also having record warm temps. 

If you want to be too thick to understand, fine, but don't pretend your thickness is clever.  The jet stream is being altered by global warming, and it's affecting the movement of cold and warm air causing extremes in cold and hot.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:32 | 4301855 ElvisDog
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Apparently, you're too thick to do a little research. The average global temperature hasn't gone up since 1998.

Also, look at the y-axis in that chart. The temperature rise from your "global warming" is 0.6 degree C. That's about 1 degree F. I'm pretty sure life on Earth can take a 0.6 degree rise in temperature.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:13 | 4301915 TDoS
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Oh come on, the "It hasnt warmed since 1998" line isn't even trying.  Hottest years globally were 2005 and 2010.

"Different reports show that, overall, 2005 was hotter than 1998. What's more, globally, the hottest 12-month period ever recorded was from June 2009 to May 2010.

Though humans love record-breakers, they don't, on their own, tell us a much about trends -- and it's trends that matter when monitoring Climate Change. Trends only appear by looking at all the data, globally, and taking into account other variables -- like the effects of the El Nino ocean current or sunspot activity -- not by cherry-picking single points.

There's also a tendency for some people just to concentrate on surface air temperatures when there are other, more useful, indicators that can perhaps give us a better idea how rapidly the world is warming. Oceans for instance -- due to their immense size and heat storing capability (called 'thermal mass') -- tend to give a much more 'steady' indication of the warming that is happening. Here records show that the Earth has been warming at a steady rate before and since 1998 and there's no signs of it slowing any time soon."

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:40 | 4301487 Fox-Scully
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Good old -40 where C and F meet on their paths in either direction.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:50 | 4303007 mt paul
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the toughest thing

about the -40 below


is trying to piss

while wearing  3 inches of arctic gear

with a 2 inch dick....

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:09 | 4303060 akak
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Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:24 | 4303102 mt paul
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and you can't use a bic lighter

to thaw it out ..

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:47 | 4301499 NoDebt
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Ah, trick question!  -40*F is the same as -40*C.  The the "cross point" between the two different temperature scales.

And yes, that's damned cold.  I've only personally been out in -18*F weather and that was enough.  It's breathtakingly cold.  It hurts just to breathe in and out.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:52 | 4301517 SWRichmond
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Been in -40 air / -70 chill factor and yeah it's cold.  Wore a motorcycle helmet and that kept my head warm enough.  Exposed skin starts hurting...and then STOPS hurting...way too fast.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:46 | 4301638 Unknown Poster
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When it warms to 0F after that, it feels balmy.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 12:40 | 4301753 Rip van Wrinkle
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Wouldn't it have been a good idea to have worn a bit more than a motorcycle helmet?? The rest of you might have been a bit warmer...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 10:54 | 4301519 CH1
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-40 (Extra credit question C or F?)

Hehe... at -40, they are the same. :)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:56 | 4301651 TheFourthStooge-ing
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What kind of a dickhead would downvote that?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 13:30 | 4301844 qqqqtrader
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I'm guessing a person that counts using their fingers and toes

...they'd have to count twice!

(that is if they're not missing any digits)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:04 | 4301540 Holleyman
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  It has been an actual -30 to -40 here for a month straight already and we have touched -60 with windchill a few times.  I would gladly trade the weather that the east is getting, it would be an improvement.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 11:33 | 4301614 Millivanilli
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-50 below where I am.  Getting ready to go out.  A  fools errand.

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