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What The US Population Is Most Concerned About

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Contrary to ongoing attempts by the administration to refocus the public's attention on such focal points as guns, an imminent external cybersecurity threat (until it was revealed that the biggest cyber terrorist is the NSA itself), and climate change, the three still remain, pardon the pan, at the cold end of the spectrum when it comes to what issues most concern the US public. On the other end, for one decade and counting, the "top priority" for the US public was and continues to be "the economy", stupid.

And since "the stock market" did not have its own separate category, we can only assume that to most American leaders, the economy and stocks continue to be interchangeable, even though as we have shown over the past 5 years, the broader public - also known as the 'retail' investor - has largely shied away from the stock market entirely either because of the realization that it is a rigged casino benefiting a choice group of Wall Street (neither admitted nor denied) criminals, or simply because as the middle class expires, ever fewer Americans have the disposable income to wager on 1,000x forward P/E gambling chips, promises of untold riches by the Fed chair(wo)man notwithstanding.

Some more from Third Way which broke down the numbers sourced from Pew:

Headlines and breaking news may drive news cycles, but according to Pew Research Center polling, the public’s #1 “top priority" has remained steadfast over the past nine years: “Strengthening the U.S. Economy.” Proving that James Carville’s blunt admonishment is as true today as it was back in 1992.


To illustrate how other top public priorities have shifted, we’ve created a heat map of 2013 priorities, which you can use to track the public mindset through three presidential elections and the wave midterms of 2010.

The heatmap is shown below. However, since the poll did not account for either Dancing with the Stars, X-Factor, reality TV, or Sunday Night Football, we would take anything shown below with a substantial grain of salt.


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Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:29 | 4301942 djsmps
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A new term was coined today over at the Huffington Post: long-term jobless patriots


Serving our country by collecting our benefits and not working.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:49 | 4301996 Eireann go Brach
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American Concern # 2, will Obama hire Flavor Flav and Jay Z as his economic advisors in 2014?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:55 | 4302008 Bunga Bunga
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Can't it get worse than with Summers?

"The central irony of financial crisis is that while it is caused by too much confidence, too much borrowing and lending and too much spending, it can only be resolved with more confidence, more borrowing and lending, and more spending"

~Lawrence Henry Summers

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:01 | 4302028 HoofHearted
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But they have some overblown elephant and some dumb ass that is supposed to tell us what the country thinks. I don't fit into either of the red and blue columns. Nobody wants to ask the gorwing third parties' opinions on what matters. And that's why we keep getting people like George the 43rd who is exactly the same as Barack Obama, who gives us the same problems that the previous tyrant did.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:07 | 4302051 drstrangelove73
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Disagree 200%.
Barack Obama does not equal George Bush.
Barack Obama = Hugo Chavez.
Same ideology,same results.
If you can't tell the difference in Obama's economic policy and Bush's,between Obama's foreign policy and Bush's,then you aren't paying attention.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:30 | 4302257 El Vaquero
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Obama promised:


To immediatly pull the troops out of Iraq when he first took office.  It took another 3 years for the official withdrawl.

To end the NSA spying.  He doubled down on it.

To get us towards a balanced budget.  Yeah, that has worked out well.

To close Guantanamo.  It's still open.

To improve education.  LOL.

To create secure borders.  Again, LOL.

To end the writing of legislation behind closed doors and close out corporate interests from writing said legislation.  Crony capitalism is alive and well.  It seems that he doubled down on this from what Bush did too.

To give the Fed greater oversight over TBTF.  LOL.


So, no, he's not Bush.  He has either modified Bush's policies, or has simply said "Oh yeah, anything you can do, I can do better!"

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:55 | 4302312 ebworthen
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Obama's 8 year term will distract and delude over half the population that someone in government cares and is going to change things while behind the curtain the MIC/Corporate/Bankster kleptoligarchy bleeds the assets and rights from a majority of citizens.

The other 40% are deluded that getting Republicrats into government will restore liberty and responsibility.

You can't cure ticks by applying fleas to a patient who has an unseen 30 ft. tapeworm in it's gut.

There is no political solution because the primary movers are untouchables.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:37 | 4302454 Shocker
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Economy is #1 again as it should be.

We need a well functioning economy. This economy has problems, and people are starting to understand that

Job Situation:


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:14 | 4302579 0b1knob
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Is the concern about "guns" about the danger of guns or the danger of people's guns being taken away?

Could be interpreted either way...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:37 | 4302846 Deo vindice
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You are correct about guns - the survey doesn't say and the two concerns about guns are almost opposites.

This list of concerns simply shows how many (most?) people don't think critically before they answer. Some of these are closely connected issues, yet they are far apart in their concern ratings.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:24 | 4302927 malikai
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This is what concerns me. A computer game, completely written by a computer program, not a programmer. Twisted.

Shit like this is how you get SkyNet.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:50 | 4303160 willwork4food
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I don't know about any other ZH high rollers here, but personally, I'll be happy to keep my house (warm &lit), food on the table.


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 23:31 | 4303441 worbsid
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Looks like they have to get past the 49ers first. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:30 | 4303265 Al Gorerhythm
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I'll repeat repeat myself. It's not the economy, stupid (to highlite an old quote, not a personal attack)! IT"S THE MONEY, DUMMY! (Again, not a personal attack, just one of my old quotes, please don't take offence). It really boils down to that. End FRB. End the Fed. Support quantifiably honest money by demand gold and silver as the measurable honest money of the common man.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:25 | 4302612 NickVegas
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Bravo, I've never seen it stated more concise. It's the last statement that troubles. How about this, and I'm just an amateur, divide, delude, denude. Vini vidi vici, divide, delude, denude. Divide is about drone, delude will continue until moral improves, and they are hiding denude, covering it with paper. Based on what I've seen, their modus operandi, I ask you dear reader, what would you do to cover the eventual societal wide discovery that we have been duped. Interesting times indeed.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:34 | 4302651 CheapBastard
Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:49 | 4302497 boogerbently
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Only in America



  1. Only in America ... Could politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000.00 a plate campaign fund-raising event.

    9) Only in America ... Could people claim that the government still discriminates against black Americans when they have a black President, a black Attorney General and roughly 20% of the federal workforce is black while only 14% of the population is black. 40+% of all federal entitlements goes to black Americans – 3X the rate that go to whites, 5X the rate that go to Hispanics!

    8) Only in America ... Could they have had the two people most responsible for our tax code, Timothy Geithner (the head of the Treasury Department) and Charles Rangel (who once ran the Ways and Means Committee), BOTH turn out to be tax cheats who are in favor of higher taxes.

    7) Only in America ... Can they have terrorists kill people in the name of Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims might be harmed by the backlash.

    6) Only in America ... Would they make people who want to legally become American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege, while they discuss letting anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just 'magically' become American citizens.

    5) Only in America ... Could the people who believe in balancing the budget and sticking by the country's Constitution be thought of as "extremists."

    4) Only in America ... Could you need to present a driver's license to cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

    3) Only in America ... Could people demand the government investigate whether oil companies are gouging the public because the price of gas went up when the return on equity invested in a major U.S. Oil company (Marathon Oil) is less than half of a company making tennis shoes (Nike).

    2) Only in America ... Could the government collect more tax dollars from the people than any nation in recorded history, still spend a Trillion dollars more than it has per year - for total spending of $7-Million PER MINUTE, and complain that it doesn't have nearly enough money.

    1) Only in America ... Could the rich people - who pay 86% of all income taxes - be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who don't pay any income taxes at all.

    "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but morally treasonable to the American public."

    Theodore Roosevelt - 26th US President

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:06 | 4302544 bunzbunzbunz
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Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:17 | 4302592 Musashi Miyamoto
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Expand your horizons,

9) Only in America ... Could people claim that the government still discriminates against black Americans

Black incarceration rates are 5.8x than Caucasians

7) Only in America ... Can they have terrorists kill people in the name of Allah and have the media primarily react by fretting that Muslims might be harmed by the backlash.

You are more likely to die drowning in your bathtub

6) Only in America ... Would they make people who want to legally become American citizens wait for years in their home countries and pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege, while they discuss letting anyone who sneaks into the country illegally just 'magically' become American citizens.

Mexicans are running away from something

4) Only in America ... Could you need to present a driver's license to cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

Studies suggest that up to 11 percent of American citizens lack such ID

1) Only in America ... Could the rich people - who pay 86% of all income taxes - be accused of not paying their "fair share" by people who don't pay any income taxes at all.

Think QE - 85Billion in subsidies

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 23:08 | 4303376 StychoKiller
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4) Only in America ... Could you need to present a driver's license to cash a check or buy alcohol, but not to vote.

Studies suggest that up to 11 percent of American citizens lack such ID


Colorado at least, issues ID cards that have nothing to do with driving.  There are solutions to this "problem", but the Decepticrats might not be able to get dead people (and other unqualified entities!) to vote for them if they were implemented.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:04 | 4303043 smartstrike
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Slow day at the American Heritage Propaganda Institute?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:02 | 4302333 Dr. Destructo
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Obama is worse than Bush when it comes to the GWOT and the attack on our civil liberties. Obama is similar to Chavez in how he approaches the political opposition, devaluing the currency,and centralizing power.

But yet Bush, Obama, and Chavez are similar in that they not only did all of the aforementioned actions, but passed something similar to the Enabling Act of 1933, which gave the executive branch powers without consultation of the Reichstag (ours is the Patriot Act, which Obama extended).

Obama is FAR worse than Bush or Hugo Chavez because Hugo Chavez is dead, yet Obama isn't. I'd vote for Hugo in his present state any day of the week.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:53 | 4302334 Dr. Destructo
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Double post.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:28 | 4302424 escargot
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Barak Obama = Hugo Chavez?  Seriously?  Different than Bush?

Spoken like a true left/right propaganda sponge.  Obama is a tool of the bankster elite, same as Bush, and 'his' policies are a perfectly predictable extension of the larger ongoing agenda.

Economic policy = let the cartels loot with impunity

Foreign Policy = destabilize nations wherever the cartels deem appropriate

The trifle differences in the details of those policies are incidental and irrelevant.  Liberal/conservative labels are nothing but distractions.  Political debate is a dog-n-pony show for ignorant public consumption.

You're not paying attention.


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:54 | 4303012 RaceToTheBottom
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The wealthy did better under the Obama than they did under the Bush.  And yet republicans want to exchange him out?  How many times do they need to hear that there is really no difference between the parties. 

They both work for other constituents.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:18 | 4303231 Incubus
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People aren't concerned with facts, man.

Maintenance of the paradigm is paramount.  If facts don't align with the roleplay, label it as conspiracy theory kooky shit and continue on.


We've got football and porn and a part time recovery to support.  It's half time in America, fuckers--and we're coming back stronger than ever!  USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!


[insert obligatory photo of American flag-garbed sexy blonde cheerleader here]

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 23:11 | 4303393 StychoKiller
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Does she have a rear-end as nice as yer avatar? :>D

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:10 | 4302772 Groundhog Day
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really?  bush's policies, obama's policies are all their masters policies...corporatist policies.  If you really believe Obama, Bernake et al act alone without puppet strings I have a Bridge you might be interested in buying

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:21 | 4303090 satoshi101
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The PUGS put up candidates that are soft and gentle to get woman votes,

The DEMS put up candidates that make it easier to send black/brown men off to whitemens wars.


It's all a charade, the ELECTED GOVERNMENT is like TRUMAN-SHOW (A MOVIE), the real GUBMINT is ran  by the US-MIL, aka NSA.


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:24 | 4303247 Al Gorerhythm
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Still trapped in the red/blue team divisional trap. eh. It's not the economy, stupid! It's the MONEY, dummy. End fractional Reserve Banking. End the cartel rights if the Federal Reserve Private Bank. End the Fed. Support the constitution by demanding measurably honest money.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:55 | 4302896 AGuy
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-Janet Yellen 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 12:07 | 4304407 doctor10
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That's true only if you're rich enough and  connected enough to be able to deny the reality that the same minds that created the problem aren't capable of the solution.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:53 | 4302011 OutLookingIn
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To quote Peter Sellers in 'Being There' -

"I like to watch."

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:55 | 4302021 SWRichmond
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In that list is the outline of the coming false flag to get people's minds off the failures of the ruling class, namely the economy, unemployment, and budget deficit:

Immigrant Climate Change Terrorists use Guns to attack America's Energy Infrastructure!


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:28 | 4302092 booboo
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Don't worry, they can fix all this "stuff" with a Carbon Tax which despite not having hell or high water they will cram down our throats.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:04 | 4302036 VD
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is TERRORISM as per above = our gov¿¿¿ methinks it is in the various meaningz (from fake terror to CIA manufactured fake terror {with real deathz})... sheeple being herded....

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:07 | 4302053 FredFlintstone
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Hey, that sounds racist :)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:12 | 4302207 Stuck on Zero
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That chart is so screwed. Americans are worried about government the most.  Big government wasn't even in the list.


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:16 | 4302385 cynicalskeptic
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'Terrorism' WAS on the list.....   these days they're often they're one and the same

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:45 | 4302870 Al Gorerhythm
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"American Concern # 2, will Obama hire Flavor Flav and Jay Z as his economic advisors in 2014?"

World concern #1: Obama is actually the leader of the world's only Constitutionally mandated Libertarian government the world has ever witnessed.

America, the land of the free, is now a lost cause. It has been burried by the mass of bureaucracy. If you want it back, it is going to take more than rants on a blog. Good luck with that as more people are dependent upon government existing, than not.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 09:06 | 4303982 fedupwhiteguy
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imo, its gonna take a Pb shower to wash away the entrenched FSA supporters/enablers.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:07 | 4307242 Redhotfill
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You mean they aints running da e-con-no-me rights now?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:27 | 4303109 Gankfest
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Someones gotta spend your money! :P

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 08:46 | 4303952 doctor10
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Nice try. "The Economy" .  The "economy" is consequent to "The Government"


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:27 | 4301944 HulkHogan
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American Concern #1: Paying off the credit card after Christmas.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:34 | 4301954 AlaricBalth
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American concern # 2: Will my EBT card be refilled this month.
American concern #3: What's on A&E, Bravo or HBO this week.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:32 | 4301960 Skid Marks
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American Concern #1: titties - bigger is better

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:37 | 4301963 ncdirtdigger
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big may be 'better', but imo firm is betterer.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:43 | 4301973 Looney
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Firm is better? I hear that them titties on ole marble statues are quite firm…  ;-)


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:58 | 4302019 El Vaquero
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Fuck your titty opinions.  Same goes ncdirtdigger and Skid Marks. 


(Pun intended.)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:10 | 4302566 ncdirtdigger
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Got some little flabby ones do you?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:30 | 4302959 El Vaquero
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Naw, not flabby.  Hairy. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 20:37 | 4302975 akak
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Hypothetically, they could be BOTH flabby AND hairy.



Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:00 | 4302168 Papasmurf
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Quality over quantity!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:06 | 4302050 FredFlintstone
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Up arrow: thanks for the mammaries.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 00:48 | 4303601 Spumoni
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Nah, that's bullshit. Big-breasted women are all bitches.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:12 | 4302562 bunzbunzbunz
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Ha! You think EBT users are thoughtful enough to be concerned if it will get filled this month? It will get filled or else someone OWES them! They are definately going to be thinking about their cable TV shows they manage to pay $100 per month for while 'needing' the government to buy their food.

Hmm...last time I checked, you could get a hundreds of servings of rice, beans, and veggies for about $100...HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:03 | 4302041 Rafferty
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Unbelievable how 'terrorism' ranks so high.  The chance of any individual American suffering from a terrorist attack (excluding those from the US 'Government') are about the same as getting hit by an asteroid.  Just shows the extent to which people have bought into the whole pantemomime.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:26 | 4302058 akak
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Ask any mathematician or statistician, and they will tell you that the average person is not just woefully misguided, but outright and completely insane when it comes to evaluating and weighing the relative risks in life, putting great emphasis on extremely slight or highly improbable risks (terrorism, child kidnapping, aircraft crashes) while utterly downplaying or ignoring much more likely dangers and significant risks (traffic accidents, falling, obesity).  This has been demonstrated in many studies, and yet even when confronted with the actual, quantified probabilities, most people will refuse to accept that their focus on sensational but unlikely risks, and their shrugging-off of the most likely or serious risks, is misguided in any way.  That effect, remarkably yet sadly, has also been demonstrated by many of the same aforesaid studies.

I have often felt that one of the most valuable classes I have ever taken was a one-semester course in high school on probability and statistics.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:23 | 4302080 AlaricBalth
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Akak. +1
Loved that course. Here is a refresher. I'm going to review this series tonight.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:45 | 4302873 Deo vindice
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Of course they don't teach mathematical probabilities anymore.

They couldn't keep teaching that course alongside Darwinian evolution.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 00:28 | 4303563 bunzbunzbunz
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.....You mean genetic traits? And the ability to track them through probability? It is a very simple concept. Please get a high school education so you can understand. Where do you think dogs and house cats came from? Did God lock them in Al Gore's lockbox until 1000 years ago?

Dog breeding - and any other domesticated animal - is Darwinian evolution on a short term scale.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 12:45 | 4303685 Deo vindice
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No I don't mean genetic traits. I mean the very thing that Darwin didn't deal with in his book on the Origin of Species ... which was the ORIGIN of species.

And, as the topic under discussion is mathematical probabilities, I mean the incredible improbability of life forming from non-life randomly. Or the mathematical probability of the formation of the unbelievably complex cell, etc.

And about that dog-breeding ... after all those years they're still dogs. Everyone of them.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:18 | 4302225 ZH11
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Mathematics may be defined as the subject in which we never know what we are talking about, nor whether what we are saying is true.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:51 | 4302326 denverdolomte
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Please tell me you forgot the /sarc tag or you are quoting Bernanke/Krugman? 

If neither of those is true, well, you should probably re-enroll in basic mathematics to understand their relative functions in accordance with daily life. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:33 | 4302445 denverdolomte
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Never read much of Bertrand before. Here is more of what I was talking about, an old lecture by the great Richard Feynman.


edit, good point, again have never looking into him before and now have some new reading material. Thanks.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:12 | 4302371 ebworthen
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Mathematics is a religion in it's own rights.

It is followed by those who worship certainty in an uncertain chaotic world of happenstance.

Mathematics is an incomplete human construct which applies a bridle and saddle to the bucking bronco of the divine.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:26 | 4302403 El Vaquero
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Mathematics is simply a language that was developed to describe the world.  Like all languages, it can be used with striking accuracy, and it can also used incorrectly.  Lies can be told with it and reality can be presented with a high degree of clarity.  It is a tool to be used, or misused. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:56 | 4303174 Harbanger
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Without maff we wouldn't appreciate Boris and his increase in chocolate rations from 2 ounces a day to 8 ounces a week.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:52 | 4302500 Vendetta
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"It is followed by those who worship certainty in an uncertain chaotic world of happenstance."

Mathematics is used by financial engineers and economists with Phds to mask the corruption of a system and justify the whacked out policies they tell stupid and corrupt politicians to implement.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:57 | 4303191 Harbanger
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No, there's no maff involved,  they simply use fabricated data to justify their political position.  Just like all the "paid for" studies that always prove their agenda correct.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:16 | 4302395 SAT 800
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Something like that. Apparently some people didn't understand what you were saying.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:49 | 4302499 SilverRhino
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For the US ... 


Cause of Death Lifetime Odds


Heart Disease  1-in-5

Cancer 1-in-7

Stroke 1-in-23

Accidental Injury  1-in-36

Motor Vehicle Accident* 1-in-100

Intentional Self-harm (suicide)  1-in-121

Falling Down  1-in-246

Assault by Firearm 1-in-325

Fire or Smoke  1-in-1,116

Natural Forces (heat, cold, storms, quakes, etc.)  1-in-3,357

Electrocution*  1-in-5,000

Drowning  1-in-8,942

Air Travel Accident*  1-in-20,000

Flood* (included also in Natural Forces above)  1-in-30,000

Legal Execution  1-in-58,618

Tornado* (included also in Natural Forces above)  1-in-60,000

Lightning Strike (included also in Natural Forces above)  1-in-83,930

Snake, Bee or other Venomous Bite or Sting* 1-in-100,000

Earthquake (included also in Natural Forces above)  1-in-131,890

Dog Attack  1-in-147,717

Asteroid Impact*  1-in-200,000**

Tsunami* 1-in-500,000

Fireworks Discharge  1-in-615,488


** Perhaps 1-in-500,000


Now .... how to stop cancer and heart disease?   Stop eating shit foods and go for a walk.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:46 | 4302690 Omen IV
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what are the odds of losing money in the stock market over a lifetime?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:57 | 4302895 SilverRhino
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1 to 1 for most folks.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:08 | 4303053 RaceToTheBottom
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Exactly the same as the odds of getting bent over a barrel and violated by WS Banksters.

Which also is exactly the same as the probability of WS Banksters getting away with all their actions.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:34 | 4302269 Serfs Up
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Indeed, the risk from 'terrorism' is pretty close to zero.  

When you factor out FBI self-foiled plots, plus the usual assortment of mental-health issues (Boston Bombing, e.g.), and the 9/11 charade the actual value for Americans drops to a perfect zero.

Just goes to show why I really don't give a crap about what "Americans" think.  

Of course, if US elections were not rigged, I might care a bit, but given teh Diebold statistical anomalies are in the 6+ sigma range, I literally could not care less about what the average person is told to think and regurgitate.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:41 | 4302301 Hapa
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"Unbelievable how 'terrorism' ranks so high"

That's probably the sub-conscious fear of retribution for all the nasties we've perpetrated on the rest of the world. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:55 | 4302510 Vendetta
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"That's probably the sub-conscious fear of retribution for all the nasties we've perpetrated on the rest of the world. "  its fear of the US government that the citizenry will figure out what they have done to the US economy and the future of all dollar based asset classes.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:42 | 4302304 Hapa
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double post

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:01 | 4302356 ebworthen
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Terrorism ranking that high is owing to the hysteria inflamed by the MSM.

I'm surprised "Weather" isn't on the list.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:27 | 4301945 El Vaquero
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Yet most people are too apathetic to even attempt learning how our economy really works.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:33 | 4301961 ncdirtdigger
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the one thing they seem to grasp is that it (the economy) doesn't work for them.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:48 | 4301994 Anusocracy
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And their ideas don't work for the economy.

They are getting what they deserve because it's what they want.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:49 | 4301999 El Vaquero
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Unfortunatly, a bunch of other people are getting what those who put forth those ideas that don't work for the economy deserve. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 01:38 | 4303664 bunnyswanson
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Predatory lending has a goal - To regain the loaned money via interest and penalties and various charges plus the collateral.

IMF working papers December 2013

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:57 | 4302170 Rafferty
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And TPTB depend heavily on that very fact.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:09 | 4302374 Dr. Destructo
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Just direct them to the movie "The Human Centipede" and they'll understand.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:38 | 4301964 Frozen
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Just goes to demonstrate the sanity of a nation that believes the economy, unemployment, and deficits are problems that come before energy.  Let alone social security and medicare.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:40 | 4301970 NIHILIST CIPHER

I thought it was Miley Cyclops. Most of Amerikan sheep can't even spell (economy).                                                                                                                                                                                                                  edit:    I forgot Kim Kartrashian and Kunta Kanye West.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:44 | 4301978 Ignatius
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Terrorism is the number 4 concern.  Slipping in your bathtub is a greater personal threat.

Takeaway:  propaganda works.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:57 | 4302014 ThisIsBob
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That settles it.  We need a War on Bathtubs.  Think of the jobs!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:26 | 4302089 akak
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They hate us for our no-slip strips.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:59 | 4306186 nc551
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Ban no-slip strips.  When I was a very young kid I liked to make waves in the bathtub by scooting back and forth...  one time i was in for too long... skin too waterlogged... ass cheeks bleeding.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:55 | 4302017 U4 eee aaa
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Yes, I saw that too. Even after all these years people are too stupid to see that there is almost no threat of terrorism. Hmmm, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they think much of the terrorist threat is from the government and thus they may be on to something there

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:49 | 4302491 Dr. Destructo
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They don't realize that we fund the terrorists that we're supposed to kill -that should of sparked massive amounts of outrage from the public but noooo.

"Does the U.S. deserve what it's getting?, and Twerking: Miley Cyrus receives Presidential Medal of Freedom and a set of keys to a hotel room More tonight at 10".

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:00 | 4302025 Bunga Bunga
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Or an American is killing his own child is more likely. Sorry fellow Americans, but it's a fact.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:07 | 4302044 A Lunatic
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Any form of death is more likely.......

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:44 | 4301979 ZH11
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No person who could be described as an 'average citizen' gives a shit about an abstract concept such as 'the economy'.

'The economy' is for rich fuckers who need abstract statistics to prove they need a tax cut and that all social programs are the work of the devil incarnate.

Thirdway are another bunch of Wall Street parasites who want even further sway over government spending than their political party donations garner them whilst the USA is between it's election cycle.




Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:42 | 4301981 Normalcy Bias
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This is good news. Surely, the American people will see the error of their ways, and finally vote for some small government libertarians...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:56 | 4302010 donsluck
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The problem with Libertarianism is enforcement. In other words, if you can build a dam on your land I cannot stop you (no codes or restrictions). If it bursts and floods my house, I can sue you. It transfers the enforcement from Congress to the Courts. It is very ineficient and unjust if you can't afford to sue. It is the Corporations wet dream.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:03 | 4302032 CH1
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Not wasting my time on refutations. Learn something if you dare.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:13 | 4302576 bunzbunzbunz
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Please help us all learn: waste the same amount of time on a refutation as you did on an insult.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:11 | 4302055 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I often hear this, especially those on the left. If that was the case, then why arent most, or even a vocal handfull, libertarians? and no, the kock brothers are not libertarians. If it was so great for them, and they could just buy the candidate they wanted, why do NONE of them support ron paul or gary johnson, why do they always back establishemnt candidates, especailly democrats. The answer is that crony capitalism, and our corruptocracy we live in is the wet dream for corporations and wall street. Thats why we are given two nearly identical sock puppets to choose from. People tend to do what is in their own self interest, and that is why heads of banks and corporations always support establishemnt candidates. Freedom and small govt is the enemy of those people. what and ignorant statement you just made, one of the most ignorant ive read on here in a while.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:25 | 4302611 bunzbunzbunz
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He did not make that ignorant of a statement. The premise is correct - less regulation and government oversight means the onus shifts to the individuals affected. What both of you are missing is that corporations will morph or get replaced by new corporations that will take advantage of any system in place to yield the most profit. There are vulnerabilities in every system. Those will be used unless the system is morphed faster than the vulnerability can be exploited.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:27 | 4303100 Greenskeeper_Carl
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what he stated was factually wrong. A little bit of rational thought would tell you this. He stated this would be a corporations wet dream. We are living in that right now. As i stated before, people tend to vote with their own self interest. If libertarianism was adopted, there would be no endless, unconstitutional wars, and we wouldnt have bases and expensive equipment in over 1000 foreign militry bases, and we wouldnt be giving money away to half the countries of the world, which is really just another type of corporate welfare, since we give them taxpayer dollars they then spend on our weapons from our MIC. So those guys arent gonna be converting anytime soon. There would be no fed, therefore no QE, so there goes anyone running a bank or finance type company. Food stamp programs are another form of corporate welfare. People take these dollars and buy cheap shit groceries at walmart, proping them up at our expense. It also allows compnaies to pay very little in wages, aince they know the nanny state govt will give them enough free shit to make up for not getting paid enough to live on. I could go on, as what i stated translates to most sectors. If a libertarian society was a wet dream for these people, we would be living in one, since they control pretty everything we see, read, hear, etc. therefore, since they have not made this happen, it is not in their best interists to do so

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:24 | 4303085 RaceToTheBottom
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"People tend to do what is in their own self interest,"

I don't see that.  Not that there is much difference between the parties, but most people that vote republican, do so even though they would individually better off financially by voting the other party.  Not that they ever admit it but it seems obvious that way.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:57 | 4302027 NIHILIST CIPHER

NB      If you still believe in the possibility of an (honest) election, then you are indeed suffering from a bad case of normalcy bias. Red/Blue and Left/Right are all illusion to keep the sheep busy and entertained. What we need is to form a plan that is revolutionary.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:12 | 4302048 Harbanger
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Then who really voted in favor of marijuana law reforms?  What we have here is a dis-jointed interruption of logic.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:29 | 4302097 NIHILIST CIPHER

Harbanger      Stoners would have voted legalized pot in 40 years ago. Hell, pot would be leagal nationwide by now if the people had a sayin it. ASK yourself the question, WHY NOW? Legalizing and TAXING pot was saved for this time in history when those tax dollars will be needed most due to collapsing tax bases in states and municipalities. 80 million pot smokers could vote in just about anything so don't kid yourself.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:39 | 4302119 Harbanger
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OK so you believe those election were rigged and TPTB want to legalize pot for tax collection and other reasons, that makes sense to me.  That's why booze is legal but it's illegal to distill your own.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:02 | 4302183 Greenskeeper_Carl
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i think on local elections and local issues, the will of the people is expressed. That is why I will ALWAYS vote in mine. I dont particularly think voting in national elections does any good, but showing up so your county doesnt impose another 1 cent on sales taxes "for the children" is worth the trip IMO. They always try that shit in florida, and in my county. I dont really know that election rigging is even neccessary for the PTB, as you say. Maybe they do, but in my opinion, the 'election rigging' consists of giving you two nearly identical candidates to choose from, so that no matter who wins, the status quo is maintained. And im pretty sure you are allowed to make your own alcohol, at least in most places, you just cant sell it to others. Same with raw milk.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:07 | 4302191 NIHILIST CIPHER

Harbenger    It is not illegal to make your own beer or wine, up to a certain amount per year. Not sure about the quantity you can produce in your home.  The "bible belt" has just now come around to legalizing liquor sales which was also pushed by TPTB for taxing purposes. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:09 | 4302209 akak
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But in the fascist USSA, it is still illegal to distill your own liquor at home.

Fuck, even here in Alaska it is illegal for a grocery store to sell ANY alcohol, even beer or wine.  The idiots here never seem to be able to grasp, or look at the fact, that children are somehow not corrupted (or whatever the fuck the politicians here are worried about) in the many states in which alcohol can be and IS sold in grocery stores.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:40 | 4302289 El Vaquero
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However, it is often more expensive in grocery stores.


The issue surrounding the legality of distilling spirits at home has little to do with safety or zoning.  It is about one thing:  Taxes.  The production of liquor itself is taxed.  If you start looking at the requirements of running a legal distillery in the US, alcohol contents have to be measured very precisely, all sorts of shit needs to be logged, and this is all so that .gov can know exactly how much tax to extract. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:47 | 4302314 akak
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Good point, Vaquero.


(O debo decir, 'buen punto'?)

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 23:44 | 4303460 Captain Benny
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That's why I make my own alcohol nowadays.... Way cheaper and big brother can't touch it!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 00:14 | 4303522 Dave Thomas
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And that's why the ATF is a child of the US Treasury department. Psst. They used to call them "Revenuers".


Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:04 | 4308151 fallout11
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See also "Whiskey Rebellion", the very act that immediately put the shame the claims and goals of the Americans that just fought a war of independence with Britian over virtually the same issues.  
The direct result - federalism and wealth confiscation at the point of a bayonet under the color of law. Nothing has changed since.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:59 | 4303188 NIHILIST CIPHER

akak    In the county where I live, we are just now getting liquor sales in the grocery stores. I could not believe it as the Baptist and Methodist usually vote it down. 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:22 | 4302235 Harbanger
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It's illegal in every state to distill your own booze.  What's your point?  Are you hoping they will let you grow a little of your own pot, ain't gonna happen.  Is legalized pot what the public wanted or what TPTB wanted?  That's the question posed when you said all elections are rigged.  I think stoners were better off de-criminalizing possesion rather than "legalizing" it.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:00 | 4302530 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Then who really voted in favor of marijuana law reforms?  What we have here is a dis-jointed interruption of logic.

Sorry, no. If anything, it's very jointed.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:54 | 4302571 akak
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You have a skillful way of hashing through problems and weeding out the logical inconsistencies.  I also like how you never blow smoke at us, but can roll your arguments into such a tight package.  You are obviously the beneficiary of our higher educational system.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:59 | 4302734 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You are obviously the beneficiary of our higher educational system.

No need to reefer to anything from college when all that is called for is common sinse.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 19:57 | 4302907 akak
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Well, bud, you know what they say --- the grass is always greener on the other side of the (boobytrapped) fence.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 09:28 | 4304027 fedupwhiteguy
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very nice banter!! i got a good laugh at both of youse!

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:23 | 4303098 Deacon Frost
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Common sense is not so common.


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:17 | 4303235 NIHILIST CIPHER

Deacon     I believe Voltaire also said, "rolling papers always revert back to their original value, zero".

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:43 | 4303301 Deacon Frost
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But worth their weight if you have something to put in them.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:28 | 4302084 El Vaquero
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IMO, the elections aren't rigged.  The candidates are.  Why rig an election when it is cheaper, easier and legal to rig the candidates? 

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:33 | 4302106 Harbanger
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Election aren't rigged?  In the last Presidential election, many Democrat precints reported more votes than registered voters.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:06 | 4302542 Vendetta
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if that fails a party can just run to the SCROTUS and complain.  Tis for Tat I guess

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:12 | 4302384 forwardho
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Or perhaps, plan a form of revolution?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 18:42 | 4302673 Musashi Miyamoto
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Typical Life-cycle of Radical Movements and Organization in the US
Inception --> Local activism --> Media Attention --> Coalition Building --> National Impact --> Co-opt, Buy Out or Smear Campiegn --> Collapse or Intergation
Inception --> Organization Hiarchy, Grand Strategy Formation --> Recrutement --> Infiltration --> Active Phase --> Leadership Targeting, Smear Campeign --> Collapse
What is your solution?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:19 | 4303077 Harbanger
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I paraphrase.....It does not require a majority to prevail.  But rather an "irate" and tireless minority keen on starting brush fires in peoples minds.

-Samuel Adams

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:45 | 4303154 Musashi Miyamoto
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Very true, I've found that 5 dedicated individuals on a budget of 50k can significantly effect policy in a class A city. the problems arises when one gets to the regional level.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:05 | 4303203 Harbanger
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The problem for them will be when those 5 dedicated enemies of our Republic are faced with 500,000 dedicated patriots and the friends they brought with them.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:21 | 4303242 Musashi Miyamoto
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Miscommunication. What i mean to say is that 5 hard working activists can influence local politics in a large city. When it comes to the 2nd growth phase things start falling apart.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:25 | 4302405 Normalcy Bias
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Nihilist, my comment above was layered with sarcasm that apparently went right past you...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 22:30 | 4303268 NIHILIST CIPHER

N B   Sorry, I missed the sarc bad. The old nihilist is getting too old to catch the sarc. That's the second thing to go when you age.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:45 | 4301985 mercy
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1. NFL playoffs

2. American Idol/Dancing with the stars/etc...

3. Gay marriage

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 15:03 | 4302034 samcontrol
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3. porn
fixed it for you.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:49 | 4301986 icanhasbailout
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The real list:


1) Football

2) Miley Cyrus





Sun, 01/05/2014 - 16:03 | 4302189 Papasmurf
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Miley who?

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 21:50 | 4303169 icanhasbailout
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that's the innocent-sweet-child-turned-self-degrading-prostitute du jour.

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:46 | 4301989 Xibalba
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All oblivios to The New World Order...


Sun, 01/05/2014 - 14:47 | 4301990 giggler321
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UK national census, last was supposed to be 2013, our coalition government in their wizdom have decided to scrap the 200-year-old National Census - Wonder why?  Nothing to hide about the population...

Sun, 01/05/2014 - 17:40 | 4302465 ZH11
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Last census was 2011, the next one is due 2021.

With the extent of GCHQ and NSA surveillance I have no idea why they bothered with the one in 2011 anyway.


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