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Angry French Union Workers Take Two Bosses Hostage

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Workers at a tire plant in Northern France have taken two managers hostage until Goodyear (the firm that owns the plant and has been trying to shutter it for years) meets the mabor unions demands. WSJ reports, as Goodyear winds down operations with the plant almost idle, French labor law requires the company to keep all workers employed, which means many of them don't work more than a couple of hours a day while still getting full salary. The situation is why Titan International's Maurice Taylor blasted that he "would be stupid" to operate the plant on that basis.

 

As we noted previosuly the tire factory farce escalated a year ago...

The saga of the capitalist vs the socialist goes on with Round 3, following round 1 in which the "Titan CEO Crushes Socialist "Work Ethic", Tells France "You Can Keep Your So-Called Workers" and round 2 in which "Socialist France Responds To Titan CEO, Hilarity Ensues." With the entire "developed" world now a real-time parody of itself, in which the truth about the true state of affairs is only revealed in grotesque, farcical, ad-hominem repartees between various members of the insolvent status quo plutocracy, we can only hope for many more rounds of this didactic back and forth.

Excerpted from Titan CEO Maurice Taylor's follow up letter in response to Arnaud Montebourg's letter responding to Maurice Taylor.

You letter shows the extent to which your political class is out of touch with real world problems.

 

You call me an extremist, but most businessmen would agree that I must be nuts to have the idea to spend millions of US dollars to buy a tyre factory in France paying some of the highest wages in the world.

 

Your letter did not mention why the French government has not stepped in to rescue this Goodyear tyre factory.

 

The extremist, Mr Minister, is your government and the lack of knowledge about how to build a business.

 

Your government let the wackos of the communist union destroy the highest paying jobs.

 

At no time did Titan ask for lower wages; we asked only if you want seven hours pay, you work at least six.

 

France does have beautiful women and great wine.

 

PS: My grandmother named my father after French entertainer Maurice Chevalier, and I inherited the name.

 

I have visited Normandy with my wife. I know what we did for France.

 

But now, Goodyear is entangled in legal proceedings with unions representing workers, led by the communist-backed CGT... and their actions have re-escalated... (via WSJ)

Workers at a Goodyear Tire & Rubber Co. factory in northern France prevented two managers from leaving the facility on Monday, the latest in a string of protests by union members who were accused by a U.S. executive last year of doing little work.

 

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Mickaël Wamen, a union representative, said the managers would be held until workers get a satisfactory response to their requests. He said the managers already have been informed that they will spend the night at the site.

 

Goodyear, of Akron, Ohio, has been trying to shut the plant for several years, but is entangled in legal proceedings with unions representing workers, led by the communist-backed CGT. Efforts to sell the factory to U.S. tire maker Titan International Inc. hit the headlines last year, after Titan Chief Executive Maurice Taylor blasted French labor laws and work habits.

 

As Goodyear winds down operations and the plant almost idle, French labor law requires the company to keep all workers employed, which means many of them don't work more than a couple of hours a day while still getting full salary.

 

The situation enraged Mr. Taylor, who dropped the first offer he had made for the plant and told France's industry minister that he would be "stupid" to operate in a country where workers get high wages for little work.

 

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Tense labor relations in France were exacerbated by the financial crisis, leading to a string of so-called boss-nappings. In 2009, when industrial companies started retrenching their operations, managers at the French plants of several foreign firms, including Caterpillar Inc., Sony Corp. and 3M Co., were held captive by workers angry at being laid off.

As we warned earlier, this can and will only lead to the triple-dip recession in France as industrial production continues to slump. We strongly urge Detroit's Kevyn Orr to get a bodyguard...

 


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Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:36 | Link to Comment ghengis86
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Awesome.  Now take a few bankers and politicians! 

 

Roll the guillotines and embrace your heritage!

 

Edit: sorry, maybe not awesome for the middle managers.  Just got straight to the pols and bankers and slit their throats.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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There are many guillotines waiting for Bernanke's neck.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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You are all delusional as France has been in a re-re-re-re-recovery for 5-7 years.  Clearly socialism will win the day (as evidenced by Hollande being President).  When you can hold your boss hostage with no repercussions the upturn in the economy is already here.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:22 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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There is no problem liberal is create that socialism is not cure.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:38 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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Soviet aphorism: We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us.

French aphorism: Why should we even pretend to work? 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:03 | Link to Comment malikai
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WTF?

Didn't this exact same thing happen in a few years back when they were flipping and burning cars all over the country?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:10 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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The Revolution begins now!!!!!  All these American companies benefit from central banking anyway... It will be one in the streets because the politicians didn't let it happen in the voting booths.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:13 | Link to Comment malikai
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Here it is. 2009.

It's like a national pasttime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf65elNdjmQ

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:42 | Link to Comment Analyse2
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It is difficult for an American to understand that the Unions don't direct France : they represent only 8% of the workforce (and mostly in administrations and transport).

People aren't forced to buy a union card.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:19 | Link to Comment RKDS
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I don't know why Goodyear doesn't just run the factory at full capacity.  If they're stupid enough to pay the French workers full pay for an hour's work, that's their problem and not the union's.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:38 | Link to Comment dunce
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No, the car burners are muslims, not union  members. Note i did not call them union workers.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:35 | Link to Comment Analyse2
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Maurice Taylor:  "You call me an extremist, but most businessmen would agree that I must be nuts to have the idea to spend millions of US dollars to buy a tyre factory in France paying some of the highest wages in the world."

Just a little flaw: Titan, is 20 times smaller than French tyre producer Michelin … and 35 times less profitable.

… and 4,200 American companies have operations in France that employ 500,000 people ...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Dangertime
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The socialist MO all along has come from the terrorist playbook.  Why should this be any surprise?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:20 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I just saw it on the TV :)
those guys don't want to hang them.
THEY ONLY WANT A SEVERENCE PAY OF 200.000 EURO PER PERSON SO THEY CAN HAVE A LITTLE NESTEGG TO LOOK FOR ANOTHER JOB!!!

200.000 PER PERSON! THAT'S 270.000 DOLLARS FOR EVERY FACTORY WORKER! NOT MANAGER OR CEO BUT FACTORY WORKER!

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND OPENS UP A NEW FACTORY IN FRANCE?!?!?!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:22 | Link to Comment walküre
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Dude, money is obviously growing on trees in Europe and Draghi's fancy qe ORGY has set the tone. Why not ask for 2 million?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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it's the law :)

When ford closed down in belgium they paid 240k euro per person.

A while back I had a argument with my boss and I yelled at him "SO WHY THE FUCK DON'T YOU FIRE ME!!??!!"

And he answered: BECAUSE I HAVE TO PAY YOU 6 YEARS IN SALARY!

!..so I said.... " HA! I THOUGHT IT WAS 4! THX!

But they just changed the law in Belgium for new workers to make it cheaper to fire somebody.... greedy bastards.

But I'm a senior manager! And that are factory workers for god's sake!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:58 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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so they actually do some work while you post here all day during your mindless meetings?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 07:48 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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yeah... isn't it great :)

I'm so efficient that I work about 1 hour and spend 7 hours reading whatever google shows me :)

I've read the internet TWICE!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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Sounds like there's a nice market niche for an independent contractor in France that will disappear striking workers or arrogant lazy workers/managers for $20K.  Bankers for $1K and two-hours of open bar at the discoteque of my choice. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Arturo
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The big problem the West has is that there are no jobs for all of us. This cannot end well.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Cult_of_Reason
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There are no UNION jobs for all of us. There are many low paying jobs in the West nobody wants to do. It is easier to collect welfare, food stamps, and unemployment benefits than to work.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:00 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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Or be a lazy union fuck leeching off of the people that REALLY work.  Unions had their day and served their purpose.  Now they are nothing more than groups of fat lazy fucking idiots with asscrack hanging out of their pants seeing how slowly they can work.  Its ESPECIALLY rampant in GOVERNMENT!  You are just parasites on the other end of the spectrum.  Unions...........................people that really work...................Warren Buffet (et al).

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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These unions are kicking ass.  You must be reading the wrong article.  And don't confuse government unions with the idea and practice of a union.

Are you married?  You formed a union with someone because a team of two is often more viable than an individual.

Do you have friends?  You formed that friend group in large part so other people won't fuck with you when you go out drinking and such.  It is natural to form a union.  Don't go thinking "unions are bad" just because the government is fucked up.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:09 | Link to Comment zaphod
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In the 1700s France was the leading economic power in europe (and the world). It had the world's reserve currency and international language.

Now look at France, she has been utterly useless for over a century.

France is the furture for the United States.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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"France is the furture for the United States."


Haha that's funny considering the US has to be Japan before it can be France.

 

Besides the genius congresscritters in DC banned french fries for Freedom Fries just because they could (flexing their political muscles).  That oughta teach them Frenchies.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Did I miss France's "Japan" phase?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Could you imagine if you had a choice between opening a factory in France or Detroit.  I say France would win hands down.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:06 | Link to Comment malikai
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I wouldn't be opening a factory given those choices.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:23 | Link to Comment RKDS
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Because if you can't take in billions off of other peoples' backs, it isn't worth doing?

And they say the unemployed have unrealistic expectations...

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:34 | Link to Comment Serenity Now
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Geez, talk about being between a rock and a hard place.  

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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What Nation-State isn't useless?  They have all been taken over by fascist governemnts that employ the Hegelian dialectic to confuse the "ration cosumers" of said States.  The "rational consumer theory" is one of the Neo-Keynsian theories that today's economics is built on, by the way.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:21 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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It's for the children.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:35 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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ignorant fool you give us a history lesson and zero mention of are fine cheese

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:16 | Link to Comment brettd
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Union Jobs?

You ask this on ZH?

Learn how to code, dude.

You'll have a job paying more than 20/HR

And you won't need a union!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 06:45 | Link to Comment mick_richfield
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union my_union
 
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Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:30 | Link to Comment RKDS
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My C's a little rusty but I don't think that's valid.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 02:11 | Link to Comment trader1
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you forgot to mention two important items marking france's decline as a superpower:

  1. the country went bankrupt financing the american revolution, helping bring about its own revolution.
  2. napoleon thought it was a brilliant idea to fight the russians on their home turf.

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:25 | Link to Comment LetsGetPhysical
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WTF are you talking about? Have you ever actually worked in union? I have, for 20+ years (carpenters). I eventually had to leave cause of the utter BS. A "union" is PRIVATELY run business who makes money by taking it from your paycheck. They generally don't do shit for you. If these lazy POS want keep their jobs... Here's an idea.... Show up and put in 8 hours of actual work in. Do you think this stunt is going to help?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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Too bad you belong to some crappy ass union.  And no I don't want to show up at some crappy ass job and work 8 hours a day.

I am defending the idea of unions, not how they are implemented.  People are pretty much retarded and I am not going to blame the idea and concept of a union on how people implement them.

Once again, do you have friends?  Because that is a form of union.  

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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MDB? I think this is you....

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Edge.case
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I don't recall being forced to pay for friends I don't want.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:25 | Link to Comment PartofOne
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Seems like you've stumbled upon the universal truth; give and take, male and female, right and wrong, employee and employer - the universal law of intercourse.  

However, the only union I'm thinking of right now is the union of man and jerry-curl juice!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=961x0NmyHKE

Let your Soul Glo!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:48 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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You read my mind on Coming to Amerika.

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:09 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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"Unions had their day and served their purpose."

 

Ya, they pushed up input costs to the point where costs of goods and services, taxes, and dues strip everyone bone dry.  Then business collapses, or moves to China.  Problem is unions don't have a reasonable upper limit and don't have a greed checking mechanism in place, like an obese person that never stops eating, until coronary failure and finally heart attack and collapse.

Coronary has been going on for years, economic heart attack in progress, with collapse near.

Or is Detroit just a fluke?

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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You shouldn't bame NAFTA on unions.  If it wasn't for NAFTA, GATA, the WTO, etc unions could have continued to bargain.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:22 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Dude, I don't blame NAFTA on unions.  NAFTA was a direct result OF unions and a way the oligarchs bypassed labor laws to move jerbs to China and bypass union laws altogether.

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Greenskeeper_Carl
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Yep. You guys want above market pay, unrealistic pensions, while doing slow and subpar work, while giving us no way to fire you, then we will just move out production to another country. So the unions migrated to govt jobs, where it was thought there would be an endless supply of taxpayers to fund those pensions, who would always be willing and able to pay more and more in taxes. Meanwhile, as a result of NAFTA, and other factors, that pool of actual taxpayers began to shrink, leading us to where we are today in a self perpetuating cycle

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:41 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Look, I understand the sentiment but peek at Wall Street and the Banks and Fidelity and TIAA-CREF and Fannie/Freddie and AIG, etc., etc., etc. 

They are the biggest fucking Union in all of human history.

Throw in the ECB, the FED, and all the other Central Banks and you have Trillion$ more of gravy than Unions could ever conceive of stealing from the average Joe/Jane.

The whole fucking thing needs to be torn down; sound money, lending, and the rule-of-law returned.

To get in a pissing match over labor unions is to split hairs on a dead sow.

I'm hungry, let's all us regular folks make some bacon and chops.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:03 | Link to Comment walküre
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Fuckhead, there are no jobs. There's plenty work on the plantation for slaves but there are no jobs. Go fuck off.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:37 | Link to Comment brettd
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Did I mention....

Learn how to code!

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:40 | Link to Comment walküre
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how many Indians do we need to do just that?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:28 | Link to Comment johnconnor
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kill a banker, have a pepsi day

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:54 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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I hope this doesn't spread to anywhere else in France......if so, some poor African nation will be bombed soon.....

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:35 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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They need to hold the bankers in Brussels and New York hostage.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:41 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Exactly.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:46 | Link to Comment camaro68ss
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the sheep are to busy watching football to know WTF is going on.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:03 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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I wonder how many employees the Fed has to protect that it has more than 1000 cops already and is seeking more?  The guilty are afraid.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:40 | Link to Comment brettd
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Interesting that the Fed has it's own police force.

Who do they protect?

What laws do they enforce?

Who pays them, since the Fed is not a government enterprise?

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:48 | Link to Comment Arturo
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They are allowed to be protected by guys with guns. These managers are not.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:48 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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We sneer at them getting paid good wages to do little work.

Automation means they will get paid no wages and do no work.  They will be on benefits forever, burdening those who are working -- oh wait, let me rephrase that -- those who have not yet been automated away.

This is not progress.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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Sing it. The biggest problem facing the economy and personal lives is automation ... and no one is discussing it.

And the bigger problem is that technology doesn't progress in a linear fashion, but grows exponentially. The problem literally gets bigger by the day - and outside of some cataclysm that takes out the power grid, nothing is gonna stop it.

See: Singularity/Ray Kurzweil/Transhumanism/BeastTech

It ain't SciFi any more. It's real, it's here and it'll be the literal death of us ... unless you're extremely rich and incredibly evil.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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So you too agree with the Neo-Keynesian school that "increases in technology will lower input costs".  Please continue to spout this Neo-Keynesian theory to everyone, but remember that you are agreeing with the Neo-Keynesian school while you do.

The theory imagines machines appear out of thin air as if constructed by gods just for the use of humans to create goods, always forgetting that it takes engineering (which carries input costs) and labor to build the machine (which carries input cost).  But then again, Neo-Keynesian theories lack many fundamental logistics while coming up with their nonsensicle models.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:04 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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This argument that we don't need labor is hogwash.  Who will make the automation, the machines, so they can be used?  People do.  This is where the argument for technology, which is an economic principle in Neo-Keynesian economics, is wrong.  "Technological improvements" do not always lead to lower input costs.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Singelguy
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You miss the important point. 500 workers replaced with 100 robots and a maintenance crew of 10. Net job loss = 490. Technology does not eliminate labor but it substantially reduces the demand for labor. Remember, robots can build other robots too!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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No you miss the point.  Who mined the ore to make the robots?  Who figured out how to make said robots?  Who put said robots together?  Who maintained said robots?  Who makes new robots when said robots break?

It isn't as simple as "Hey!  We've got robots to do the jobs!"  Or else we would be living in an utopian society.  

Once again, you are using the definition of "technology" straight out of the Neo-Keynsian textbook.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 05:40 | Link to Comment Trucker Glock
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You should pay someone $15/hour to mow your lawn with a pair of scissors. Do your part to employ your comrades! Fuck it, set up a pension fund for them, too.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:42 | Link to Comment brettd
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We MUST start figuring out what to do with all this slack time.

The world changed.

We need to adapt. 

What's fun to do?

What needs to be done?

Let's get to it and quit bitching.  It's boring. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:52 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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Yes, but then you'd have to feed them and that's an unnecessary expense. A Guillotine is far more cost effective and provides a greater social benefit while possessing the added benefit of providing the right kind of population reduction. Not to mention the potential for a truly epic pay per view event.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:33 | Link to Comment ajax
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VIVE LA FRANCE !! TOUJOURS !!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:36 | Link to Comment AustrianJim
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Doesn't that make them terrorists? Send in the drones.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:37 | Link to Comment StandardDeviant
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No, it makes them common criminals.  Send in the police.  Shoot the trade-unionist kidnappers if they resist, just like any other hostage-taking scumbag.

Why on earth is this kind of thing considered even remotely acceptable in France, no matter by whom or for what reason?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:37 | Link to Comment blabam
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Stupid. Stupid people everywhere! Get me off this Planet!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:46 | Link to Comment brettd
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In your lifetime, pardner, it'll happen. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Occams_Chainsaw
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Jus tthink of how crazy it would get if they had to work more than 30 hours a week....

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:40 | Link to Comment yogibear
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Take the head banksters.  No wonder France is all messed up. Targeting the wrong people.

Go after the Troika members. Like the Nazi war criminals.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:45 | Link to Comment shepherd
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What has the situation in France to do with Troika?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:04 | Link to Comment walküre
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yogi is ahead of the curve

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:35 | Link to Comment ajax
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"Take the head banksters.  No wonder France is all messed up. Targeting the wrong people.

Go after the Troika members. Like the Nazi war criminals."

Target your own Nazi war criminals Mr. Yogi Bear

 

 

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:41 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Attest the owner and distribute his wealth, above 10 million, into the bitcoin wallets of his employees.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:41 | Link to Comment LetsGetPhysical
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Less work, More pay!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:47 | Link to Comment alien-IQ
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That's how they do it on Wall Street isn't it?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:43 | Link to Comment RockRiver
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Maybe this wouldn't be such an issue if the French workers actually worked? WTF?

 

This doesn't seem too hard to figure out.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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Ah, another corporate apologist.  

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:22 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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Ah, another useful idiot.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Soul Glow
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It's horrendous that Zero Hedge, a community that pits us vs. the banks, has the apparent majority of members making fun of a group of men - who forming a union -for standing up against the hired rich man, the CEO.

Imagine how the rest of America feels when they read Zero Hedge and we lambast Ben Bernanke, and talk about tying him up like these workers did their boss.

Have you no empathy, Zero Hedge?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:44 | Link to Comment Spungo
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Those union guys were getting paid to do literally nothing. They're a bunch of greedy cunts. We hate Bernanke and the union workers because all of them are greedy cunts.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:48 | Link to Comment brettd
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Greed happens at the top, and bottom of the food chain. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:39 | Link to Comment ajax
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"Maybe this wouldn't be such an issue if the French workers actually worked? WTF?"  How the fuck would you know what the French do? Look at the fucking statistics asshole.

Only an American considers him/herself justified to spout such fucking bullshit.

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:53 | Link to Comment fwaynemartin
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It is justified if you've ever had to deal with the French. My company has informed Ford we will never build another machine for France again, ever. They don't like to pay their bills either. 

 

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:46 | Link to Comment Analyse2
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The work week famously limited by law to 35 hours has become a distant dream for many French, as executives chase ever tougher deadlines and the rank and file look to make ends meet with overtime.
French workers put in an average of 39.5 hours a week in 2011, continuing a steady rise in the decade since the 35-hour work week was introduced and not far behind an EU average of 40.3 hours, according to a labor ministry report.
That still puts them behind the British on 42.4 hours and the Germans on 41.
But, defying some foreign stereotypes of a nation shy of hard work, the French work longer hours than the Belgians, Finns, Dutch, Italians, Irish and Danes.
French middle-management and above worked 44.1 hours.
The shift up to an average work-week of 39.5 hours from 38.9 in 2003 leaves France ranked 21st in terms of hours worked per week out of the 27 states that comprised European Union in 2011.  OECD

http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=LEVEL

http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/employment/average-annual-working-time_20752342-table8

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:44 | Link to Comment Saucy-Jack
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Tire necklaces FTW!!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:44 | Link to Comment SmittyinLA
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The pitfalls of allowing mass immigration of alien Socialists to crush wages, eventually they vote to take the factory to feed the Socialist beast.

Make no mistake, most of the "French" factory workers-like US factory workers are low wage immigrants and aliens imported to knock down local wages with cost shifted liabilities unto local taxpayers and property owners. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:46 | Link to Comment ncdirtdigger
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Approach the 'workers' with a light sabre, and they will surrender in nothing flat.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Absinthe Minded
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Those Philipe Patek watch ads SUCK!!! Stop covering the page with fucking ugly ads that you have to try to press a button the size of MDB's left nut to close!!! I will buy a fucking mug!!!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:42 | Link to Comment ajax
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Those Philipe Patek watch ads SUCK!!! Stop covering the page with fucking ugly ads that you have to try to press a button the size of MDB's left nut to close!!! I will buy a fucking mug!!!"

Patek is a Swiss watch asshole.

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:48 | Link to Comment Analyse2
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Pitiful racist comment

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:51 | Link to Comment Rising Sun
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Europe is a unionized wack job's wet dream.

 

That's why Europe has to pilfer Africa and the Middle East for cheap resources - the extraction corps can make up the losses from Europe shithole system

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:54 | Link to Comment samsara
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Cute use of words "... Why Europe has to pilfer..."

But Not the US, not China, Not.....

Just Europe "Pilfering" resources from the locals....

Sure.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:44 | Link to Comment ajax
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"That's why Europe has to pilfer Africa and the Middle East for cheap resources - the extraction corps can make up the losses from Europe shithole system"

What world do you live in?  China bought Africa

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:16 | Link to Comment matrix2012
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@ ajax

Don't you read what French is doing now at Mali, and the West Africa in general?

What the France is eyeing for there? Cote d'Ivoire; Burkina Faso; Guinea; Sierra Leone; Niger; Algeria; Senegal are all sharing the same borders with Mali.

 

I heard that France is looking for Germany's gold buried deep down there. lol

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:51 | Link to Comment samsara
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Q. Are the the workers Justified in their actions?

A. Pragmatically it doesn't matter. These are just the beginning scenes of promises going up in smoke leaving behind pushed to the limit populations.

Are the upper managment of Goodyear losing their bonuses? Their salaries? Their retirement? I don't think so.

Pain is coming and these are just the opening scenes.

Does the guy with the bomb strapped to him DESERVE it?
Does the workers DESERVE the previous promises to them?
Do the CEOs DESERVE Their bonuses ?

Bill Munny: "Deserve has nothing to do with it"
(clint eastwood in the Unforgiven)

Pain is coming to us all, Only the luck of the draw whether you will DESERVE it.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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Gotta love the Commies!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:49 | Link to Comment ajax
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"Gotta love the Commies!"

Commies? The French have more balls than American slaves - why don't you try a little respect instead of conveniently forgetting the killing of your fellow Americans on strike? Read American industrial history before shitting on people who are braver than you are.

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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Goodyear should follow the American example.  Declare the company bankrupt, estinguish debts and pensions, and take the company private.  /sarc

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:56 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Let them eat tires....?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:57 | Link to Comment fijisailor
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The scenery of Detroit.  Coming soon to venues in France.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:19 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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Such scenes are already known in France, a desolate place in Parisian slums; stark, hopeless, no way out. Ditto for many places in the UK and Europe, despite the image projected by main scream media and tourist catalogues.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:36 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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Do they have good drugs?

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Dr. Destructo
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Needs more information -I think we're getting the "christian" version of the problem.

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:07 | Link to Comment walküre
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ora et labora, don't speak up, don't rock the boat, render to ceasar what is ceasar's has ultimately fucked up the potential for free thought and progressive development. churches are complicit in enabling and protecting the elite and the status quo

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:12 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Marxist nonsense.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:19 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Holding hostages IS 'progressive developement'.

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:20 | Link to Comment walküre
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++

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:19 | Link to Comment walküre
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which part? care to debate what IS nonsense? telling grown men they can enter the gates of heaven through an imaginary god son is what exactly? telling grown men to surrender themselves to a fictional god and god son to store their riches in heaven all the while their being plundered and enslaved on earth for what?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:41 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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They need religion to get the poor and illiterate peons to fight their wars for them and to accept their "place" in life while accepting that their Gawd must have blessed the wealthy and powerful, whom they aspire to become. They can't beat you in a debate because it'll all come down to faith. They'll call you names and tell you how wrong you are without offering anything of any value whatsoever to prove you wrong.

I find it really ironic that Tea Party types see their christian religion as a basis for capitalism. Talk about not reading their own holy book. The best evidence against the christian religion in the US is how much material wealth is worshiped by its adherents. They twist and turn Babble verses to justify gluttony while twisting other verses to justify their hatred towards people they dislike. It's an abomination.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:22 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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O''bomba nation. There. Fixed it for you. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:39 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Uh...yeah...right. Because if we're not with you, we must be with Obama. This either/or, black/white mentality is why I see nothing redeeming about tea party folks and any solution they might provide for the future of the country.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:50 | Link to Comment walküre
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Maybe time to forget the future of this "country" and start thinking about the future of yourself, your family and friends you really care about. Nothing will change politically unless it's in a great violent uprising. Whose side would you be on and how do you know that the side you chose is really acting in your best interest. The concept of nation states or states is already outdated. There are close to 7.5 billion people on the planet, going on 9 billion by 2020 (they say). Best to be as remote as possible to secure some chance that your genepool may have a chance to survive. Plenty of ordinary fuckers will be wiped out, never to be heard of again. Not even footnotes in the history books or archives. Depends of course if that sort of thing matters to you or not. Only chance to have anything everlasting is through your kids and their kids and their kids and hopefully you left them enough behind that they may have something to remember you by. Philosophically, culturally or financially.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:11 | Link to Comment suteibu
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You and your family were always your first obligations.  It's common sense...no religion required.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:18 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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What is this 'we' bull$hit, and 'tea party folks' labelling, just because I pointed out the narrow mindedness in your shallow comment? Tsk. No progress or respect for culture coming from your sort, whatever you label yourself.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:31 | Link to Comment Dr. Destructo
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I thought that throwing out the money changers and merchants from the temple and challenging the Pharisees/Sadducees/status quo was rocking the boat. Some actions are more constructive than others.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:34 | Link to Comment walküre
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That made perfect sense from a political perspective of the Roman Empire's leadership at the time which is why the story was written as such. However, it gets conveniently buried by all followers of the Christian philosophy today because of the potential for "antisemitism".

Rome invented Jesus for their propaganda purposes to subvert the Jews and Judea. The Jews know this very well which is why the vast majority of them has no interest in the story of a god son born by a virgin in a shed in Bethlehem. Those that are observing Judaism are following the original script which if you really study it carefully, is nothing but a religious fairy tale and not all that different from religious fairy tales found in other parts of the world, some of them just as old or older.

Man has always sought to explain where he came from and over time, man developed the sense of a supernatural creator who has put him on earth to conquer earth or protect earth and all sorts of things. I'm inclined to believe in a form of intelligent design as opposed to believing we are all evolved over billions of years from gew and gases. The one thing, I refuse to believe are the stories of the Roman New Testament. Might as well worship a Roman Emperor.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:09 | Link to Comment bobert
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Talk to us about sin.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:20 | Link to Comment walküre
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man made concept

what is "sin"? who defines "sin"? who has a vested interest in suggesting to others that they're "sinning"?

get back to me

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:57 | Link to Comment matrix2012
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@ walküre, what an interesting disposition on the mainstream organized faith :-)

be ready to be stigmatized as ATHEIST or even Communist lol... nevertheless i'm in agreement with such thoughts

 

btw what's the 'gew' in below lines?

 

"I'm inclined to believe in a form of intelligent design as opposed to believing we are all evolved over billions of years from gew and gases."

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 02:03 | Link to Comment walküre
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matrix2012, I really did try hard to embrace the faith but it just doesn't stand a chance against my better judgement. I've got a few years left yet on this earth. Why subjugate myself to a mental prison where I'll end up running in circles and foolishly resting in a comfort that there's supposedly a salvation and a better life after death? Life is here, life is now. Any day could be my last. There's so much out there I haven't seen or done.

The human mind is surely fascinating. What a human can dream up, make up and tell itself to be true is limitless. There's evidence of so much fantastic literature out there. Written since the Vespasians commissioned writers to create the fictional accounts of "Jesus". There were ample well written fictional stories before that time by Roman or Greek authors.

We are a fascinating species, possibly the most fascinating creature of all.

As for "gew".. just bad spelling on my part. was talking about goo of course. but come to think of it, maybe a Freudian slip? is gew the chosen form of goo?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 03:36 | Link to Comment matrix2012
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Got it walküre ;)

However, beyond all the organized faiths there are some other less organized, less intrusive, and in fact more inclined to be philosophical taughts esp. those Oriental philosophical teachings (Dao (Tao); Zen; and so on).

If one day you feel in need to learn some, consider to give the Buddhism a try. Perhaps by then you may wish to start with Ajahn Brahm, from Theravada School (i.e. "The School of the Elders" as practiced by Thai camp etc; cf. the other major branch: Mahayana ("The Great Vehicle")). Ajahn Brahm, as a British origin, he may be easier to comprehend for the Westerners.

The beauty of all these Oriental teachings is that they do not require (the mandatory) mediation from any (living) human figure! We just learn to seek for and achieve higher enlightenment in this world, by our own efforts and dedication. And these teachings do NOT have the heaven-hell and the original sin concepts either! There is no such one-time or one-way ticket to heaven...or hell,... neither there's any regular mandatory tithe and so on :-)

 

Well, i just learn a bit about them but if one day I feel the urge to learn more & deeper, I definitely know where to look for.

This world and all life forms incl. the human's life are simply much bigger than what's being painted by those organized religions of Abrahamism...

 

Om mani padme hum...

 

matrix

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:44 | Link to Comment walküre
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thanks for the feedback :)

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:15 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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What?

The free champagne and foie-gras in the lunchroom not up to par?

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:22 | Link to Comment falak pema
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awww ...they invited them to a late New year party! 

"For he's a jolly good fellow"...like in Some like it hot!

Happy Goodyear! 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:22 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Being a vendor who supplied tire making equipment to Akron, OH HQ. years ago { banbury mixing, calendar line and tire making press equipment} These fuckers plants will be closed in a heartbeat. Unions kill jobs by not understanding the globalization model. I.e. Wolverhampton, UK, Philippines, Kansas

Goodyear Dunlop tyre factory in Wolverhampton celebrates

Goodyear's gunna strike! – The union dumbfucks are parasites.

Kansas Incentives Keep Goodyear's 1,700-Worker Plant Online in Topeka – Supplier of earthmoving tyres. Think CAT or others.

Have been out of this business for 15 years. Watching the same leeches get a job, then strike and end up on government assistance. Lastly, the first to complain, WE HAVE NO JOBS! Just my 2 cents.

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Honey, back in the day.. I was all international travel. Asia, Europe, South America. Worked for Kobe Steel. Continental/General Tyre.. I already told ZH about my Quito to Cuenca to Quito, Tame Airline was a near death experience for me.

 

Let me put it this way, flying in a commercial jet as if where a military jet vs. flying into the old Hong Kong airport. I'll take the second experience. Cross-winds are less dangerous than flying in mountain ranges at full throttle and hearing cockpit alarm warning an airplane is flying to close together five times over. Something’s, you never forget in your life. This is one for me.

 Again, out of that market, not aware of your info.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:26 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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As usual, people in other countries can at least pick the right targets to vent their frustration toward.

In the US frustrated people just open fire in public places like movie theaters and schools. No demands, no dedication to a higher cause, a better life for themselves or their friends....just pure anger and frustration. No wonder the US politicians and corporate owners know they can treat Americans like crap again and again. Due to incessant brainwashing from the corporate media Americans don't have a clue who to direct their anger towards and they will likely direct it toward anyone and everything but the true source of their frustration.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Dr. Destructo
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"As usual, people in other countries can at least pick the right targets to vent their frustration toward."

THANK YOU. This is exactly why I didn't participate in OWS -none of them had a clue or a plan, and the message was garbled in nonsensical rhetoric. I did like the "sticking it to Wall St" idea, but exactly how does one do it? The answer is not to play their pro-consumerist game, don't take out loan after loan, and starve the beast with sound accounting and self-sustainability and self-education. Not only do I grow some of my own food, but I shop at co-ops/farmers markets, and I use a Thiers-Issard straight razor for my shaving. Also, I don't have a television set in my home. The results are that not only am I healthier, but I get a better shave than those disposable pieces of shit, and I can actually remember shit that happened a few days ago. The downside is that I can't have a conversation with my co-workers because they talk more about TV shows than anything, but that downside is negligible.

Oh, and I save a shit-ton of shitty money and I use "alchemy" to convert it into silver. Can't buy gold yet: too poor.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:57 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Like you I do what I can outside the system whenever I can.

My probelm with OWS is they saw nothing wrong with the system, they just wanted a bigger cut of the pie for themselves. They should have tried to gum up the system instead of believing the system would recognize them and their plight and give enough shit about it to do something to change. Ain't gonna happen. They should have stopped the gears of commerce, but like most Americans they just want their chance to sit atop the heap and piss down on those below them. It just goes to show how confused the whole culture has become in the US and why it needs to collapse...soon.

On the other hand, I prefer OWS's method of trying to work outside of the system over the Tea Party's method of bitching and moaning about the system, then using it to attack their unempowered enemies when they get the chance to use the power of the system.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Bitchin Bear
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Somewhat curious as to exactly who those poor unempowered victims of the Tea Party might be. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:56 | Link to Comment ajax
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Yeah terrific Dr. Destucto but who supplies the tires on your vehicles - and I am willing to bet you've got more than one parked outside your house.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:46 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Right. He has to have a vehicle outside his house because the car companies, oil companies and rubber companies conspired in the 1930s to eliminate all public transportation and force everyone to have the expense of owning a car to increase their profits. Couple that with modern building codes and you've got no option but to own a car unless you want to live like a hermit.

Contrary to mythological thinking in the US, we are not free to live as we please. Rather, we are free to live within the confines of the system the owners build for us to live.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:58 | Link to Comment Jayda1850
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I'm getting to the point where living like a hermit is looking pretty fucking good right now.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 05:19 | Link to Comment Dr. Destructo
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In an effort to maintain an eco-friendly method of transportation I have sedan chair hauled by barefoot, unpaid interns working toward their liberal art degrees.

I only have one vehicle (unless you count my Cannondale as transportation). Sure I could ride my bike but the sedan chair is more for the workers and job creation than myself.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Mongoose
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Dr., let's keep the terminology correct, please. The term is "Shitload." Shit-ton denotes a measurable quantity and that is against the rules.

Back to killin' a shitload o' snakes

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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Take it to the banksters, the organ grinder, rather than abuse the monkey.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Spungo
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I'm sure the police will forget about this whole hostage thing once their demands are met.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:02 | Link to Comment smartstrike
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Once again, albeit after several hundred years, the French show the way. Viva La France! Now all the appeasers are beyond themselves, they can't believe that the French did not kiss the globalist wage exploiters' asses. Now they'll say "but they'll just move production somewhere else." Good, the globalist scum aren't creating any jobs anyway, it's the small businesses that are creating all the jobs--the big corporations are not adding any bodies, they have been cutting body count for decades.

They also say that if you tax capital, it'll simply move somewhere else. Wish that was true; but anyway that capital is sitting in offshore accounts or chasing asset bubbles. So who needs capital, what's good for? Absolutely nothing!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:11 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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Perhaps Maurice would have been better to spend more time with the French wine and women before penning his explosive letter to the French minister who no doubt has a direct line of control over the militants.

But that's where we are: so-called leaders trading insults instead of resolving problems; ideal ground for agent provocateurs to operate. Similar to Britain in the 1970s.

Speaking of Anglo-French troubles, Britain's average food bill is a third higher because of the Common Agricultural Policy which benefits French farmers and others hugely, according to decades-old government statements.

The EUSSR is a nightmare for its captives. I guess this latest episode makes a change from French workers burning tyres in the streets when they are angry. Instead, what will they do to the tyre managers? 

Caveat emptor, mes amis. 

Acheteur, méfiez-vous, CEOs.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:18 | Link to Comment esum
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Turn the lights OUT

a few less frenchmen is a step in the right direciton

 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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It's a classic shakedown. Rent-a-mob can be mobilised by socialists and communists whenever the Inner Party meets resistance. A bribe will be paid to call off the statists and the poor angry confused workers who mistakenly believe that modern career politicians represent them. They don't. They'll take money from anyone, and Party on.

Reminds me of an old dark saying: 'A socialist would trample over a thousand workers to throw one stone at a rich man.'

And the irony? The bankster globalist puppeteers profiteer off this mayhem, all the better for them to run off with the resources, the loot, rinse and repeat. Next up: China, and the Far East. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Analyse2
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@esum

Pitiful racist comment

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