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Chart Of The Day: Greek Poverty
And now, the saddest chart of the day: Greek poverty since the crisis, and in 2013, when the so-called "Grecovery" arrived.
Here is how Greek Kathimerini describes the fact that nearly half of all Greek incomes, some 44%, had an income below the poverty line in 2013 according to estimates by the Public Policy Analysis Group of the Athens University of Economics and Business (AUEB).
The poverty threshold is measured as 60 percent of the price-adjusted average income in 2009, or up to 665 euros per person per month and up to 1,397 for a couple supporting two underage children. The AUEB researchers also found that last year 14 percent of Greeks earned below the adequate living standards, compared with 2 percent of the population four years ago.
The blame, of course, was placed squarely on austerity, or the fact that Greece, whose epic socio-economic problems stem primarily from its massive overleveraging leading up to 2008, did not leverage some more to "fix" itself.
The group’s report, published last week, suggested that during the crisis instead of strengthening support to the unemployed – which is one of the most efficient methods to rekindle demand – the state was forced to reduce it.
Well, not all the blame: some was reserved for where it rightfully resides: an incompetent, corrupt, crony and quite criminal political system:
... besides the austerity policies of the last few year, the inability of the state to contain the collapse of social structures is due to the lack of targeted strategies and to the inefficient use of resources, problems that dogged Greece even before the onset of the crisis.
No mention that Greece was merely a pawn in the "political capital" invested in the failed Eurozone experiment, in which the main thing at stake is the vested interest of the legacy oligarchs and, of course, the bankers.
As for the Greece: don't cry for it - it still has the euro - that symbol of successful European integration - so all is well.
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Good Greece is back in the news...
How do you say "hockey stick" in Greek?
Now that's growth!
In other words... Extremely bullish.
Bankers destroying the world.
"Rising food prices in developing nations can largely be attributed to the citizens of those nations seeking more sophisticated diets."
Ben Asshat Berfuckme
Not the whole world, just the parts they don't give a fuck about.
Cannibalism... the new sophisticated diet.
The Hamptons are just fiiiine,
until they're not.
Is the premium of physical gold (vs paper price) still high in Greece? Some time ago I read it was something like 10% or maybe more over prices in the US.
They can't afford food, nevermind gold.
It is not just " Greece" . You will be paying more for gold in 98% of the countries besides the US. Premiums should range from5 to 20%.
You have not been out much.
"......more sophisticated. .."
As if they were eating a sophisticated diet, only now its MORE sophisticated. Why the ignorant little people were stuffing their pie holes with lobster and tenderloin for breakfast. Lunch was champagne and truffles. And now...and now they are MORE MORE MORE SOPHISTICATED!
See, it's not the Feds fault. Proved it. See?
Seriously, if people stuck to their sorghum flour, rats, small birds, second harvest corn kernals.....there would be zero food inflation.
Signed.
Ben Bernanke.
How bout rephrasing to income reported.....whatever
Greece is the wonderful country where reported income is HIGHER than actual income!!! unless of course you're one of the 1% crowd.. example: a friend of mine is lucky enough to have a decent job. Pays about 500 a month , from which she actually manages to live.. nothing in the way of surplus to save, but she makes rent and bills and expenses. She's an only child and her mother put her apartment in her daughter's name to simplify inheritance eventually (indeed she bought it in her daughter's name decades ago.. probably might be getting close to paying off the mortgage in a few years even) Anyway.. her declared income is almost 12k euros, on which she has to pay income tax. But she might have had 6k of income from her job. The rest is imaginary income added by the tax people simply because there's a residence technically owned by her somewhere, so she magically has another 6500 or so euros of 'income' which is of course taxed. Nevermind that they have two different property taxes on the apartment already, the regular one and the 'extraordinary one time tax' (yes they still have the temerity to call it that though it's three years running now!).. for the 99%, perhaps half of 'income' reported by the statistical service is this kind of imaginary income. But it looks good on the books when they would go to frankfurt or new york and say 'look at all this GDP and owed tax we have waiting to bring in'! and it's also a great way to force the serfs to sell. The banksters have never liked the fact that home ownership in greece is higher than anywhere else in europe (and outside of the cities, it's usually the ancestral home in a village which was owned free and clear, seeing how grandpa built it with his bare hands). You can get an idea which stage they expect things to hit by the fact that this year they finally cut the horrific 11% tax on property transfers down to 3%.. now that the little people are being forced to sell to the big, dont want to gouge the big people too much now do we?
Greece has wonderful islands.
Fixed it for you
It's just transitory.
Greek poverty since the crisis...
US loss of jobs since Obama's inauguration...
Same chart... same slope.
just move the x-axis 3-5 years and America will have a similar chart
News would be poverty measured as before Euro entry .
Hard currency killed the Greek cats.
Third world country Greece as it is and always was
whinging for hand outs is more than the world should stomach. Leave the Euro Greek comrades alone and never look back.
Those troika folks have never been your friends, they hate you for your antique democratic traditions and would love to see you fail on all measures.
I would call it second world.... a phrase i invented when I moved to Argentina.
Um, you didn't invent that. It used to refer to the Soviet bloc of communist countries.
(That said, maybe you're not so far off the mark.)
Are we sure that isn't the chart for EBT benefits here in the US?
Ebt is not for the poor folks as they don't see themselves that way. They are the Least Employed American Citizens Habitually, or a LEACH. The rest of us are the Financially Usurped Citizens Knavishly Expecting Deliverance, or FUCKED.
poverty to be redefined in 3,2,1...
Athens or Detroit ? Panic will set in after the tapir is inserted.
Problem with Euro Zone boils down to this: there is a central bank without debt issuing authority. Greece is only the first casualty of this arrangement.
once gorvernments will realise that "bank investments" and bonds they own are worthless they.ll all burn.
In England, they'll make it a election topic "to try to keep government pensions"
THAT MEANS PENSIONS ARE ON THE TABLE AND IT'S ALL BLUFF!!
Did that line go parabolic after the Bail Ins?
well,t hey just go back to 1990 levels. Greece was not rich than and it will never be again.
all southern countries will fall back to those levels!
Only 45%? No riots? ATM's still working? Where's the problem?
there's not a fascist government in power yet. they'll fix it for sure
well, that graph with the parabolic line going pretty much straight up, looks like the same graph & line re the money printing. it's sick, it's all just so sick & sad & real people are paying for this with their lives.
In other news, extremely desperate Greeks are infecting themselves with HIV to get government handouts. Yep, deficits don't matter. The bill never comes, America.
And the "taper" hasn't even begun yet.
almost looks like a chart of population growth, or printing...
print all the paper promises you want, the calories required to actually do anything of real value (like survive), are what the are...
just remember, when fraud is the status quo, possession is the law.
I just watched the trailer of 300: Rise of an Empire, there is a scene where Themistocles says: "We would rather die on our feet than live on our knees". Looks like their descendants don't share that view.
they didnt have kneepads back then
The descendants have been too busy riding the coattails of their forefathers. Whether quickly and shockingly ( as it is happening now) or slowly and over 1-2 decades, the country would have disintegrated.
They should have been put on training wheels, cleaned things up slowly over a period of 10-15 years and then stayed with the drachma anyway. A LOT of hurt, pain and misery could have been avoided. Some of the stories I hear are truly unconscionable. Somebody had better do something and quickly. This should not be allowed to continue.
Future of fallen Empires?
The Greek mobs need to travel to the ECB/Troika and do some head chopping.
The banksters fear retribution if people rise up and go after these criminals.
LOL, thought everything was fixed....
Exactly like my dog got fixed.
I'm supposed to feel sorry for Greeks, why? It's one of the largest "gimmee" cultures in Europe. Not paying your way but expecting the state to do so for you is a national past time there. They are simply reaping what they've sown.
Same as here in the good ol' USA.
Is Greece going to default?
MSM horseshit aside, hasn't it already?
keep alcohol cheap and you will not have to solve real problems of the econony - population will appreciate this way of coping with deteriorating standards of living.
so far bernanke and co haven't even approached this method so we still have a couple of generations until things finally fall apart
let them eat souvlaki
Baklava and octopus soup.
What's not to like?
better yet, go to a bitcoin based economy and ride that airball into the strat.
They should have BTFD!
one question... does this graph comes from the tax collection department?....
because it's pretty well possible those poor people drive porches... just saying
At least part of the Greek electorate, Golden Dawn, has the balls for a National resistance to international bankers Check them out at http--xaameriki.wordpress.com They have put the bell on the correct cat
Italy has their Pitchfork Party...from the farm to the city...FRESH ESPRIT coming to a country near you !!
The Golden Dawn will restore Greece to it's former glory.
The Greek people suffers, but their elite will milk the Brussels politicians to the last drop. The latter have "deer in headlights" look on their faces, because any country exiting the eurozone could blow up the ponzi. It's all about who gets to lay their hands first on that sweet QE/bailout/whatever taxpayer money. The Greek elite found the right time & place in this regard.
No bread on the table of a Greek common man? Let them eat cake. The euro peace project right on track.
They should have defaulted immediately the Troika said they wanted to "help".
A 40 billion default then is better than a 300 billion default now, because it has to happen.
Turn the fiscal clock back to when they were conned into this scam and start again where they left off in 2001.
OK two maybe three years of pain, but no worse than what they've got now,but at least they'll be rid of the chains of serfdom.
EUO (short euro) is really nice at these levels. Easiest 10 percent (minimum) you will make all year..
you are welcome for the late
Christmas gift.
The chart is a statistical fraud.
The article by the Public Policy Analysis Group of the Athens University of Economics and Business employs three different definitions of poverty:
The values of the three magnitudes are:
- 1st def.) 2009: 19,4%; 2010: no data; 2011: no data; 2012: 21,4%; 2013: 22,3%.
- 2nd def.) 2009: 19,4%; 2010: no data; 2011: no data; 2012: 38,9%; 2013: 44,3%.
- 3rd def.) 2009: 2,2%; 2010: no data; 2011: no data; 2012: 10,8%; 2013: 14,0%.
The chart combines the 2009 poverty percentage according to the 3rd definition (2,2%) with the 2013 percentage according to the 2nd definition (44,3%)! As of the data for the years 2010-2012, they are all made up. Why not take the 2009 value of the 2nd definition (19,4%) together with the 2013 value of the 3rd definition (14,0%), and conclude that there was a decrease in poverty?Poverty in Greece: trends in 2013
We use three poverty indices: