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White House Guides Down Obamacare Enrollment Target, Says To Focus On Demographics; Refuses To Give Demographic Data

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As we reported previously, currently the biggest problem facing Obamacare is the sudden "realization" by as many as half of any given state's enrollees, that in addition to signing up for Obamacare, one also has to make a payment which is rapidly becoming a dealbreaker for many, and leading to total confusion at the doctor's office. However, even if one were to assume that payment is not a major hurdle (after all funding for a subsidized ponzi scheme can always be... further subsidized), there are various other key issues that still remain. Such as the administration's repeatedly stated target of 7 million enrollees by the end of March. Actually wait, it may have been 7 million once upon a time, as in the days before the rollout became an unmitigated disaster, but suddenly that bogey no longer exists.

Enter revisionist history:

“That was never our target number. That was a target that came from the Congressional Budget Office, and it has become an accepted number. There’s no magic to the 7 million. What there is magic to is that in the month of December a million Americans signed up for insurance.”

     – White House aide Phil Schiliro, interview on MSNBC, Dec. 31, 2013

Guiding lower? Happens all the time on Wall Street so it was only a matter of time before D.C. started as well. Watch:

The key points from the Jay Carney:

"We're not backing away from a number that we didn't put out originally.... "I think that others noted that 7 million is a fine target, but that that will not determine whether the marketplaces function effectively.... It's important to understand that it is not — that there's not some magic number: 6,999,999 and the system collapses; one more than that and it functions perfectly."

At this point it is worth remembering just how fudged the very definition of "enrolled" is: The White House counts “an enrollee” as anyone who has selected a qualified health plan. “Once someone clicks "enroll" and selects a plan, we consider them enrolled,” a senior White House official said. "We don’t know if they have paid or when they pay the company because it’s a private transaction between the company and the consumer." And as we explained before, up to 50% of "enrollees" haven't actually enrolled by making any payments.

So to summarize: the White House crowed about the 2.1 million Americans who have signed up for insurance either through the federal health-care exchange or state-run exchanges (even if the payment status is unclear). At the same time, Obama's henchmen backed away from the idea that they had suggested a "target" of 7 million enrollees when the enrollment period for 2014 ends in March. As Schiliro put it, "that was never our target number"... even though it was consistently framed, implied and suggested as precisely that.

The question then is: did someone lie? For the answer, we go to the authoritarian source on massaging spin when it comes to the administration: The Bezos Washington Post. Here is what D.C. favorite newspaper had to say:

The 7 million figure did originate as an estimate (not a target) by the CBO. Before launched, senior administration officials certainly embraced the number.


Here’s Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius speaking to reporters last June: “We’re hopeful that 7 million is a realistic target.”


And here she is on Sept. 30, in an interview with NBC News: “I think success looks like at least 7 million people having signed up by the end of March 2014.”


Moreover, on Sept. 5, 2013, Marilyn Tavenner, administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, sent Sebelius a memo titled, “Projected Monthly Enrollment Targets for Health Insurance Marketplaces in 2014.”


The memo offered an estimate of 7,066,000, drawing both on CBO’s estimate and the experience of the universal health plan in Massachusetts, Medicare Part D “and conversations with employers, issuers and states.” It projected that enrollment would be 3.3 million by the end of December.


The 7 million figure, apparently, became less relevant as “a target” or a measure of success when it became clear that the Web site’s problems were making it difficult for people to sign up.


Instead, officials have argued that a more relevant figure is the mix of young and old people. That’s because younger people tend to be healthier and thus have lower medical expenses; if only older people sign up, premiums would soar.

WaPo's conclusion:

Whether or not the administration originally came up with the 7 million figure, officials certainly embraced it as a target in the months leading up to the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. We agree that the mix of young and old enrollees is perhaps the more relevant number, but it’s a bit odd at this point for the administration to minimize the 7 million figure.

Ok, so they lied. But if the mix of enrollees, however one defines them, is skewed toward the younger population, all should be forgiven right? Sure. However, there is a tiny problem: the administration refuses to give away the demographic split data! From The Hill:

The White House said Monday that it was still unable to provide the demographic data is describes as a "key element" to evaluating the overall success of ObamaCare.


White House press secretary Jay Carney insisted on Monday that "at this point" the administration did not have information about the makeup of early enrollees in the president's signature legislative program.


But the White House spokesman also pledged to make the data "available as soon as possible."


"If you look at how we've dealt with data as it's become available over the past several months, both good data and bad data, we've done our best to provide it to you when we are confident about the accuracy of it," Carney said.


Healthcare experts have warned of a "death spiral" if not enough young, healthy adults buy into the ObamaCare marketplace to offset the cost of insuring older and sick Americans. A study report by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed that 4 of 10 enrollees would need to be between 18 and 34 years old to prevent a rise in premiums in subsequent years.

So: first the lies about the definition of enrollment, then the lies about how many actually have insurance, i.e., have paid and are officially enrolled, then the realization that the schedule is hopeless off track and and the need to guide down, but only after misdirection pointing at "good data"...  which just so happens does not exist.

Oh, and something about a "death spiral" if not enough young, healthy... oh wait, look over there: the market is at all time highs (or just below them).

We truly wonder: how much longer will this patented and indefinitely repeated distraction scheme, aimed at the absolutely lowest common denominator, continue to work without a glitch?


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Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:18 | 4306240 Constitutional ...
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My first Executive Order of 2014:

Fire the bastids who screwed up this new fangled system, every one of them. Starting with you, Mr. O'bomba.

'A fish rots from the head down.'

(Or aim higher: fire the bureaucrats in hock to the international insurance companies who betray every land they occupy).

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:23 | 4306259 kaiserhoff
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The Bezos Post.  Well done, Tylers.

Must be nice to own an internal Ministry of Propaganda.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:33 | 4306298 Constitutional ...
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Wassup 'kaiserhoff'? Unhappy with the status quo:

Definition of propaganda: ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.

The Tylers are on a roll with a Happy New Year where years of critical thinking on their part will prove them to be more right than wrong. No propaganda required. Simple honesty and logic will suffice.

Dissent is honorable, particularly when fighting organized, State funded bare faced lies, ie propaganda.


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:36 | 4306314 Big Slick
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HONESTLY, it amazes me that there are people who think all of this is NOT proceeding exactly as Obama’s puppetmasters have foreseen


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:48 | 4306356 zaphod
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If Obamacare fails it will be because of all of the racist tea party members and old white republicans, and Bush. Everything in the world is their fault.

The solution will be to force all tea party and similar members into government healthcare as retribution, while allowing an exception for everyone who has supported the democrat party in the past.

Different age, same tune.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:50 | 4306366 Colonel Klink
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Sorry not feeding the troll. +1 for being a top knotch cunt.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:18 | 4306404 philipat
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Obamacare will fail for the very reason that it neither understands, nor addresses, the fundamental problems with healthcare in the US, which is more than double the cost of other OECD countries yet with worse outcomes. In fact, it is SO poorly designed and implemented that one would be forgiven for thinking that it was actually designed to fail, so that a "Single Payer" system could "Come to the rescue". At that pont, .Gov would control about 65% of The US economy, slightly higher than that well known capitalist enclave; France.

"Enrollment" is the equivalent of putting an item into the cart. Online commerce data shows that around 70% of those putting an item into the cart never actually convert that into a SALE by actually paying for the item.


1.    Medicaid will boom (Unbudgeted). Physicians seeing Medicaid patients will dramatically decline so these patients will present at A&E, the most costly way. This will push up Provider costs which will push up premiums.

2.    The young will not enroll. Why would they when they can now enroll if necessary if they get seriously ill?

3.    That results in "Adverse selection" whereby only the old and those already sick will enroll. That will push up Insurer costs and increase premiums.


4.    The increased premiums will result in even fewer people enrolling going forward, especially the young.

5.  In view of the massively increased premiums, employers will either provide a "Lump sum" plan, similar to a 401K, pay a share of an Obamacare plan or will massively increase co-payments and/or deductibles.

6. Wash, rinse, repeat.



Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:32 | 4306515 Constitutional ...
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Well said, phil. The bureaucrats, career politicians are exempt, and their fans are ignorant...for now. They can ignore reality. Reality will not ignore them. 

What a bloody shame that millions have been betrayed by the brats.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:04 | 4307236 Boris Alatovkrap
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Where is AmeriKa find asshat like Jay Carney!? Is much worse than is "Bagdad Bob"! Must is go very deep into D.C. sewer system to find some kind of crap.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 06:48 | 4307378 negative rates
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Now that we see what's in it, lets pass the buck to the upper class! 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:19 | 4307441 GetZeeGold
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It's soooooooo's a secret.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:25 | 4308659 MarsInScorpio
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Please note that Carney is growing a beard. It is my expeience that when men or women make a dramatic change in their facial (beards or other facial hair - either growing or removing it) or hair appearence (women - dramatic hair style and/or color changes), it is because they are going through some sort of personality change, and they change their self-presentation image as a response to the personality changes.


I believe that Jay Carney is at the edge of wigging out - as are most of the WH staff members. Even for a seasoned pathological liar, the relentless facing of the truth contrasted to their constantly changing lies presents incredible psychological pressures. You know you are lying, everyone looking at you knows you are lying, you are constatntly changing lies, ao everyone knows even moreso that you are a constant liar. It's ever tougher to face those people, knowing they know you are scum.


This is an outward sign of that personality change.


Stay tuned - film at 11.


Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:44 | 4307476 kralizec
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Progressives are a lot like sewer rats...and just as hard to get rid of.  Short of napalm I am out of ideas...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:14 | 4307248 boogerbently
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"It's important to understand that it is not — that there's not some magic number: 6,999,999 and the system collapses"


By their own admission, it needs 30 million to work.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:00 | 4306629 Temporalist
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Phillipat I can see there being a supplement to the ACA where in order to protect this shiny new policy they will start forcing retired Drs. back into practices and they will start pulling all potential doctors from grade school to ensure there will be a constant flow of qualified candidates in the medical field.


See, simple fixes to complex problems.


Also, the rich will have to pay more, because that is also a simple solution, and if you can't afford to pay you can join the armed forces or the American Youth Obama Club and do public service like signing up the homeless and indigent to ACA.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:35 | 4306653 philipat
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They will probably try to force all Doctors to accept Medicaid patients as a condition for a License renewal. Problem with that is that Licenses are issued by the States. And, as we know, all politics is "Local", so I doubt that the politicians would have the cojones to try and force that one through. If they also want to be re-elected, that is.

Getting sent to prison is an increasingly attractive option also. Free Healthcare and accomodation thrown in. Perhaps that is why The US has 25% of the world's incarcerated population. It means sacrificing a little freedom but the NSA has already taken care of that anyway.

The net result of all this will be that, one way or the other, The FSA will get free healthcare, paid for by the already struggling middle class. Those who previously did not have healthcare insurance will be covered and many of those who previously had comprehensive employer coverage or paid their own way, will not. There would have been better ways of providing cover to the uninsured but, of course, this is .Gov and is "Here to help you".

The impact of all this on the budget deficit is going to be enormous. But, of course, the downside of democracy (The tyranny of the majority) is that if over 50% of the "Electorate" have joined the FSA in one way or another, it is very difficult to put an end to it. The only possible end to all this is, in the immortal words of Margaret Thatcher: "The problem with socialism is that, eventually, you run out of other peoples' money".

As France is now having to face up to.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:54 | 4307044 TBT or not TBT
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Phillipat, the WHO says US healthcare sucks because they are statist fuckheads who like to see everything nationalized, like it is in their favorite countries. When you look at the outcome stats' composition the health care suppliers in the USA rank number one in everything they treat.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:06 | 4307239 Boris Alatovkrap
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"Won't Get Fooled Again" - The WHO

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 05:11 | 4307308 philipat
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Can I suggest that you check your facts. Let's start with two universal basic parameters: Life expectancy and infant mortality.....

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinions. But not your own facts.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:16 | 4307253 boogerbently
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It won't survive to that point.

There's enough evidence NOW that too many American voters are adversely affected to support Dem success in the next election.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:39 | 4306549 quasimodo
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What baffles me is that there are at least 5 folks that up arrowed him/her/it

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:51 | 4306591 Constitutional ...
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Political operatives bring along their friends for back up in case the crowd turns ugly. Ugly true facts are admired at ZH, and that's what frightens manipulators. Poor lambs, the apparatchiks...led to the slaughter, but ensuring their own pay check no matter how many millions suffer for their complacence.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:02 | 4306635 philipat
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That's the entire audience of MSNBC?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:33 | 4306499 Constitutional ...
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'Obamacare' HAS failed. Do try to keep up with reality, apparatchik. Perhaps you might then live in the economy occupied by most people instead of your political bubble...about to go Pop. Pun intended, not that you'll 'get it', dude.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:58 | 4306619 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Con-Repub, it was never ment to work. It's a gateway drug to single payer, with the option of garnishing your wages from the IRS. Why do you think they let this thing fail so hard? All of the health insurance companies will be the private contractors who run the plans for the GOVT, making money without handling the risk. Owe money, and they will garnish way more than your salad....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 07:51 | 4307419 secured_party-c...
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Buy an Almanac, white America put Obama in office.. It's the liberal, "gov help me with every aspect of my miserable life" that's f$$ked up American culture..

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:35 | 4307457 StychoKiller
Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:22 | 4307259 boogerbently
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1) Obamas "claimed" plan falls short.

2) The idea that SOMETHING new is needed assumed obvious.

3) The GOP fails to get support to just kill obamacare.

4) Hillary comes sweeping in with "the fix".

then "all is right in socialism land".

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:41 | 4306327 kaiserhoff
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Reading comprehension skills are good to have.

The reference was to Jeff Bezos take over of the Washington Post. 


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:52 | 4306813 Doña K
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Writing skills are good to have as well as you left yourself open for misinterpretation.

You do not deserve the down arrows but, when you have to speed-read through hundreds of comments, commas, periods, syntax and sarcasm can be missed.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:38 | 4306324 jcaz
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Wowwwwwww..... That there is wunna them attempts at counter-proproganda.....

Genius....   Ur too smart for us, Kaiser......

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:57 | 4306339 kaiserhoff
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It appears so.

Not everything on ZH is sarcasm, but it is trending that way.

There is no fool proof method to avoid being misunderstood on a blog.  But it helps if people actually read the articles now and then and try to understand the context.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:20 | 4306251 NoDebt
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Wait, are we talking about the number of people who got coverage under Obamacare or the number of people who lost their previous coverage, never to return?  If it's the latter, 7 million EASILY.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:14 | 4306680 Thing1Thing2
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It's the total number people that called 1-800-FUCKYO thinking there was a phone sex operator on the line.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:15 | 4306681 Thing1Thing2
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double post

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:26 | 4306273 Colonel Klink
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I wouldn't trust this administration if they tried to tell me water was wet.  IMPEACH THIS FUCKER FOR LYING TO THE NATION!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:30 | 4306297 NoDebt
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That's the spirit.  Now you sound like me.  It's fun to demand things that are never going to happen.

Obama could shoot a 10 year old blind girl dead in the Rose Garden and nobody would lift a finger against him.  You think a little insurance screw-up is going to get it done?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:33 | 4306306 Colonel Klink
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I was trying to add cover up after cover up, scandal after scandal, gun running, violating the Constitution, drone murder, and the list just goes on and on.

What a scum sucking piece of shit he turned out to be.  CONgress DO YOUR GOD DAMNED JOB!


OK I feel better now.  No doubt No Debt, it's amazing that his tan skin allows him to fuck this nation blind and those who's responsibility to the Constitution are AWOL.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:46 | 4306780 NoDebt
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I need to let you in on a little secret that I think show how opinions have changed about this guy, even on ZH.....

That whole 10 year old blind girl thing.... that's at least the 4th time I've posted that exact same phrase over the last year.  First time I did, I got monkey-hammered with down arrows.  Second time almost as bad.  Then I drew even.  Now it's green arrows across the board.

I have great faith that regular people know the difference between rainwater and urine trickling down their backs if it keeps happening often enough.  Will he get thrown out of office?  Of course not.  Is his presidency effectly over already?  Yep, sure it.  He's got executive orders left in his bag and nothing else.  All of which is reversible, although most things will get done by EO from his presidency forward, for obvious reasons (shitload easier than getting something done the Constitutional way).

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 02:13 | 4307099 Colonel Klink
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Agreed, and he's trying to use executive orders to make law.  The use of executive orders needs to be closely and tightly controlled by the Judicial branch of government.

What were you saying about asking for something that's not gonna happen?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:10 | 4307435 NoDebt
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Think of all the "leverage" future presidents will have over their friends and rivals alike just to undo all those EOs.  It'll be the equivalent to buying 'Papal Indulgences'.  They won't just all get rolled back lickety split and for nothing in return.  "If you want me to stop hurting you, here's what you gotta give me in return..."

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:45 | 4307826 Colonel Klink
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True political thinking!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:00 | 4306626 Tijuana Donkey Show
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White, black, asian, or hispanic blind 10 year old? Was she a member of the Tea Party?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:58 | 4307078 TBT or not TBT
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He could at least offer her a last Purple Drank, for the optics.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:45 | 4306569 Race Car Driver
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Think about it.


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:26 | 4306275 rodocostarica
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fuck off Marylinn Tavenner. You have no abiity to manage this. It is a disaster.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:27 | 4306279 anefarious1
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Assuming ZeroHedge readers earn a good living, as a whole, we are in for a large IRS fine next year thanks to the Obamacare "Shared Responsiblity Payment" AKA TAX. I'm self employed and I calculated my fine to be $1,057 on

Low information zombies either don't know about it or think it is $95 or $285 for a family. Can Apple still sell as many iPhones after Obama has his way collecting revenue for multnational insurance companies?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:35 | 4306313 kaiserhoff
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There was a lengthy discussion about this a few weeks ago.  So far, the only enforcement mechanism is to grab your tax refund.  Plan ahead, and don't have one.  Also, clearly label all payments to IRS as to purpose.  Good idea anyway.  They will get serious about this at some point, but why feed the beast?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:57 | 4306394 tip e. canoe
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 Also, clearly label all payments to IRS as to purpose.

please explain...

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:01 | 4306408 kaiserhoff
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A good reason to avoid electronic transfers, one of many.

If an old fashioned check clearly states the payment is for payroll taxes withheld, that is legal evidence as to where the payment should be credited.  Unlabeled payments may be grabbed for any damn fool thing Barry has in mind this week. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:13 | 4306677 insanelysane
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The IRS can't forcibly collect the fee yet, but they can, and will keep a tab as to how much you owe so when they can forcibly take it, they will, and with penalties added on.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:36 | 4306315 A Lunatic
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I'm self employed and free. I've calculated my fine to be fuck off and die, I ain't paying shit........

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:37 | 4306321 Constitutional ...
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Excellent! Me too.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:41 | 4306336 Colonel Klink
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Count me in too!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:53 | 4306380 Seasmoke
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And the NSA knows, you guys can count me in as well.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:14 | 4306441 Temporalist
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Well then you go to jail, where you will be given a bed, 3 squares a day, medical care, television, exercise, conjugal visiting rights...which on average only costs about $25k/inmate.


So don't pay the $1000 penalty and the gooberment will enforce it by charging the taxpayers 25k/offender...perfect neo-keynesian, socialist logic.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:19 | 4306464 Constitutional ...
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Temporalist. Not quite. See my post elsewhere. For the terrified, there is a way to starve the beast, legally. Pay the minimum. Let it roll over. That retains the insurance, within the law. Starve the beast.

Also, your scenario is unlikely, for reasons too many to mention. I'd have to charge you the hourly rate :-D No porn involved, though. Strictly legal business.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:23 | 4306477 Temporalist
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I read your post; I was trying to point out the ridiculous nature of trying to threaten people into forced payments for health care.  It was tongue-in-cheek.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:37 | 4306532 Constitutional ...
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Sorry, Temporalist. Sue me! No....please don't :-) Thanks for the polite telling off.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:54 | 4306603 Temporalist
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Meh I know how easy it is to misconstrue posts (and mine especially because I'm nearly always being sardonic).  If I was telling you off it would be more obvious though (see -or don't see- my posts on Krugman).

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:51 | 4307484 StychoKiller
Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:14 | 4306987 A Nanny Moose
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I will drink to this. Already reducing my income. Considering pulling all my savings, 401K, and IRA funds as well.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:00 | 4306402 Reckonball
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Fuck it! Me too!..Maybe I'll see you guys at Camp Fema..I call top bunk!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:36 | 4306528 Colonel Klink
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Don't think you'll see me there, I'm swimming across the Rio Grande.  Que?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:15 | 4306990 A Nanny Moose
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I'll brink the s'mores. It will be like summer camp. /gulp.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:04 | 4306403 new game
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money in the mattress. ops, shouldn't say that...

even if i plan shity and have a refund that becomes a fee for non-compliance, i will be money ahead.

500/month less fine still puts me in the green, pending unforseeable health issues-the risk-eh! set aside that cash(savings from opting out of the scam) but sufice to say, 5'9" 150 lbs, norm blood preas, low colestral, 40 years running/biking ect. fuck their scam!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:41 | 4306334 Constitutional ...
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Yep, 'anefarious', by your words, the sick service in a few words: 'collecting revenue for multinational insurance companies'. They pay little or no tax. They are modern day robber barons. About a quarter of U.S. gdp goes to them, and the American sick service delivers mediocre 'care' at best. Most of the insurance premiums go to the companies, not the doctors, nurses; the people and patients.


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:04 | 4306644 Tijuana Donkey Show
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And pillz bitchez!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:50 | 4306372 jcaz
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Yep, exactly....  My insurance guy created a pretty report for me,  outlining how if I don't sign up now,  my fine will be $3000-  it was a beautiful presentation,  bunch of bar charts and graphs in color.....  He's now waiting by his phone for my call  when I become more "reasonable".......

I don't care if my fine winds up being $30,000 someday-   I'll make sure I never have a refund again in this lifetime or the next.  Be man enough to call this what it is- a tax- and I'll consider paying the fine.    Otherwise, they can all suck it.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:09 | 4306431 new game
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there in lies the violence part of fascism - insurance lobbists got us under the "law" to buy there shit at non-market competitive pricing - this really is a modern day tea party revoltable tax! non-compliance is a start...

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:13 | 4306432 Constitutional ...
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Yep, and here's a cute trick gleaned from another ZHer. There's a 60-90 day period before the insurer makes threats for payment.

Pay one month; ignore two. Repeat. Pay the minimum due.  Let it roll over. Annual cost: a third of the amount demanded.

There is no loss of health insurance coverage. A payment is current, and the 60-90 day period just rolls over.

That's for people who balk at the idea of outright defiance. I sympathise with them. They are afraid. Each to their own.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:48 | 4306580 new game
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for me this is an economic decision that began 20 years ago when i became self employed with a family. saw that a high deductable, 5k, health lifestyle and healthy food was the best premium availible. set aside the savings from NOT insuring fat lazy fucks and enjoy life with money in the bank.

it can add up to a tiddy sum even after emergency bone beaks, minor surgery, ect.  thousands to be more on the money.

so, really depends on your own lifestyle, convictions, upbringing and whether or not you are a good guy or a fuck head...

fuck heads don't give a shit if they are fucking you over by being unhealthy - i used to work with one - a fat fuck, he said (when i asked if he cared that he was so overweight) he said "i got insurance"...

typical sheeple response-truely hopeless with need for even moar government intervention-lol s/


Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:07 | 4306844 Doña K
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Someone, should argue to the supreme court that insurance companies capitalize on human fear and force us to bet against ourselves that we will get sick, which is gambling. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:27 | 4306280 max2205
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All circus and no bread....

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:19 | 4306468 Carl Popper
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Shit's totally fucked up, man.  

I have never seen shit this fucked up.  

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:19 | 4306469 Carl Popper
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Shit's totally fucked up, man.  

I have never seen shit this fucked up.  

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:38 | 4306538 Colonel Klink
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You can say that again!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:08 | 4306659 IridiumRebel
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This shit show is just warming up.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:25 | 4306698 NIHILIST CIPHER

Interesting Tidbit:   Look up this code      ICD 9     E978                                                                                       Execution code built into Obamacare         Methods for executions interesting.    185,000 + codes, never expected this one.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:21 | 4307002 A Nanny Moose
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"Legal Execution." This shit just keeps getting better, and better.

If you like your head, you can keep it.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:30 | 4306901 Tall Tom
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Okay Klink..If you wish...I will say it again.


Shit's totally fucked up, man.  

I have never seen shit this fucked up

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:28 | 4306285 Sleepless Knight
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flip flopping cunts all of them!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:32 | 4306291 Tinky
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"What there is magic to is that in the month of December a million Americans signed up for insurance.”

Why yes, of course. I mean, what could be more magical than 1m people whose previous policies had been cancelled signing up for the only alternative?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:36 | 4306319 Constitutional ...
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Absolutely on the money there, 'tinky'. But I refused to re-sign. F'em. They want it. They can come and get it.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:40 | 4306331 Colonel Klink
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Yep, I refuse to comply.  They're going to have to go through a lot of people first before they get to my name in the alphabet.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:41 | 4306335 Fish Gone Bad
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I am not trying to make any friends here, but throwing out the word 'magic' probably works really well on little kids, not so much for anyone with at least a high school education. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:46 | 4306571 quasimodo
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Perhaps you underestimate the amount of those without a HS edumacation. 


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:06 | 4306650 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Trailer Park Boys @RickySunnyvale

When im not in jail I live at Sunnyvale Trailer Park w/ my trailer park boys, Julian & Bubbles. I got my grade 10 and i'm self smarted.

Sunnyvale Trailer Park

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:43 | 4306322 SillySalesmanQu...
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Are'nt the 18-34 year olds the highest in unemployment figures? How can they afford it if they don't have JOBS! Guess they forgot to factor that in. Even if O Care could work, can't these lying idiots take the time to run the numbers....Oh, yeah, I forgot...these are same lying idiots who provide us with BLS, CPI, and Beige Book reports. Never mind...

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:30 | 4306501 Temporalist
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A recent poll (from Harvard Institute of Politics) shows 57% of young people between 18 and 29 disapprove of Obamacare and only 13% plan on signing up.  Also, nearly half of them would now recall Obama.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:56 | 4307487 StychoKiller
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Say Mr. Silly, you do plan on repaying that student loan to Uncle Sugar, yes?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:38 | 4306323 Atomizer
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Fuck Obama and his wife that was left behind in Hawaii. These people are not Democrats, nor do they represent the foundations of our country.

Kennedy Warned Us!

Eisenhower Farewell Address

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:44 | 4306344 Constitutional ...
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A brilliant reminder to us all, 'Atomizer'. Every person should see those links, and related ones. It's not too late to remember, and act accordingly.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:39 | 4306325 skeeterpi
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I am not a sheep. I lost my policy, I will not sign up. I will self fund.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:45 | 4306348 KickIce
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Target demographics = FSA and illegals, otherwise known as Obama supporters.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:52 | 4306349 One And Only
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This is nothing new.

The random number generator has been applied to other trivial metrics like unemployment and inflation.

The Washington DC random number generator is run on energy powered by perpetual motion machines that are housed in the unicorn stables. All other forms of energy would of course cause the earth to warm, islands to disapear, and penguin deaths....except for Obama's magic energy algae which is fed by the tears of Peter Pan.

Looking at real numbers would reveal that Americans are dumber, poorer, and unhealthier than any other period in our short history.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:49 | 4306364 IridiumRebel
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Here at ZH, we engage in Fight Club via debate. I strongly urge you all to step on over to Barack's facebook page where he is pushing his new shit-tastic law and the debate is heated...and utterly retarded. It's a great 10 minutes of reading within the comments. My fuckin' dog is smarter than these assholes...ON BOTH SIDES. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:04 | 4306411 Constitutional ...
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Damn right.

And what about the working poor? I can afford to pay, but I refuse. The working poor are terrified of bigger bills for everything, and no one to help them. They'll pay taxes, pay more for food and fuel, pay more for health 'insurance'. They will do without essentials in order to pay their higher health insurance premiums because they are terrified of being fined or criminalised.

All wrong. I will not feed a system that profits the few, the tax dodging international insurance companies and financiers,  at the expense of the many. No surrender. Money talks, and bullshit walks.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:17 | 4306456 new game
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the free shit army has been betrayed! now what? ah, new promises, moar hope and change? lol!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:22 | 4306472 Constitutional ...
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I'm thinking of the working poor, not the Free Shit Army. Important distinction to be made there. They used to be called the American middle class, or the working class in Britain and Europe, for example.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:39 | 4306548 IridiumRebel
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"I live in California and this is an email I sent to covered CA this evening:After waiting online for over an hour to have an online chat they send me to an email system which they would not let me send. I really hope someone reads this because I am beyond angry right now. In December I signed my family up on Covered CA for Silver Level PPO from Blue Shield. I then got on the phone and made my January premium payment on December 19th with Blue Shield. It is now January 6. I still have no id cards. When I called they told me they couldnt send them until they received my information from Covered California which they hadnt at the time. Now, every time I try to call Blue Shield it tells me that due to overwhelming call volume they arent accepting calls. I have 3 small children and a wife who is 35 WEEKS PREGNANT. She is supposed to be seeing a doctor once a week for the rest of her pregnancy and cannot because we dont have our member id number so we cant go to a doctor. On top of that our unborn baby has a small hole in her heart and we were supposed to have another ultrasound this week to check it and cannot because of the same issue. On top of all of this, we cant even try to get continuity of care with my wife's current ob/gyn because we do not have a member id number from Blue Shield. Basically I have a very pregnant wife and no insurance even though they were happy to take my $650 two weeks ago. Please explain to me what the hell I am supposed to do? I am mad as hell. What am I going to do if my wife goes into labor? Have the baby at home? I thought this was supposed to have been made so that people like me can get a more convenient and affordable form of healthcare, not a perpetual runaround from the state and from Blue Shield. Please let me know what I am supposed to do?"

This post from FB speaks volumes. BO is getting ripped a new one there.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:05 | 4306634 Constitutional ...
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I live in Massachusetts where this new system was first introduced. Both Republicans and Democrats liked it. 

It was an unmitigated bureaucratic nightmare, as anyone who mentioned it would swop stories about its abject abusive bureaucratic Kafkesque horror. No exaggeration. The only people who speak well of it are the relatively few who have no worries because they don't pay in full or they profit from it, including politicians and their useless bureaucrats.

Let's remember: Congress exempted itself and 'staffers' from this new system. Pelosi said: 'Passing it, beats reading it'. Now America is stuck with it, while the culprits don't care who suffers for their subservience to the multinational insurance companies who eat up nearly a quarter of U.S. gdp and deliver mediocre or poor health service. Most of the money goes to them, not the doctors, nurses, paramedics - and least of all to the patients care. And those companies pay little or no tax. Fact.

Feel free to copy and paste that on the FB if you like. I speak from experience in MA, the home of this sick service scam.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 01:23 | 4307010 odatruf
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Most of the money DOES go to doctors, hospitals, drug companies, clinics and NOT insurance companies. That was true before the ACA and will be true after.


Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:26 | 4307447 jcaz
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Spoken like an insurance agent, but I see your point, technically....  Let's correct that to say that most of the money goes to a bureaucratic process that has grown out of control the past 30 years,  with layers of unnecessary middle management and administrative processes that serve no purpose other than to employ Shaniqua and her degree from New Hampshire State Online......

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:10 | 4306667 Tijuana Donkey Show
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That dude needs to learn how to fake speaking spanish, and roll into a rural E.R. ASAP. No ID mister...

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:49 | 4306799 STP
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I spent four hours last night with my insured GF at a brand new hospital in Palmdale, CA.   It was packed with lowlifes galore.  We left at midnight without ever even seeing a doctor.  No beds were available.  You're best bet her in Kalifornia is to pretend you're an illegal alien, because they'll care for you, no matter what.  Then we spent all day at Kaiser in Urgent Care with the same crowd.  And of course all the stupid 'Covered California' commercials, that piss me off to no belief, promising financial assistance and coverage even for preexisting condtions.  In fact, that fucking commercial is on now!  "Those who need Financial Assistance, will get it".  So who the fuck is going to pay for the huge lowlife population's 'equal access' to healthcare?

Meanwhile, our roads are full of potholes, our schools, freeways and everything else is clogged with these people and it ain't getting any better.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:08 | 4306848 Tijuana Donkey Show
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That sucks, my suggestion is to flee Kali. Nice place to visit, but I don't want to die there...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:44 | 4307613 IridiumRebel
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Leave. I left CT for similar reasons and yes, I still own my house there. I just rent the fucker.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:37 | 4306917 NIHILIST CIPHER

IR      My heart goes out to you sir, we can only pray that this all works out in time for the healthy arrival of your baby. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:42 | 4307608 IridiumRebel
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Thankfully, this was another poor soul on Facebook ranting to "Dear Leader".

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 07:01 | 4307383 negative rates
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Thanks for your payment, the system is overwhelmed at the moment (your payment got lost due to hackers) and could be for some time to come. We can't talk to you cause we have nothing to offer you for providers and we can't take  criticisms anymore cause it a positive green light economy. We suggest the emergency room payment system, they have different accountants and can't work with the BC on payment. Have a good day and this message will self destruct in 5 minutes, thank you for your patience.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:55 | 4306390 surf0766
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How dare anyone question the smartest people in the world. Everyone is already signed up.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:40 | 4306551 homiegot
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Everyone is signed up and they don't even know it.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 21:57 | 4306395 Seize Mars
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Guys, the shit is gettin' deeper by the minute



You don't like it? You're a turrist

Fuck you, pay me

Lie, threaten, steal, kill

Welcome to Stalin 2.1

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:07 | 4306423 insanelysane
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I loved it a few weeks ago when the opposition trotted out a number of 5 million insurance policies being cancelled and the White House immediately refuted that number and the MSM ran with it.  Question to MSM:  If the White House has no effing clue as to the statistics of their own program, how do they know the number of cancelled policies across the entire industry?

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:19 | 4306465 X_mloclaM
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The 5m # is right, per wsj




Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:14 | 4306444 Carl Popper
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I want George Bush Jr back

Or Walter Mondale. 

Jimmy Carter 

Bill Clinton


 Or whoever that old fuddy duddy that ran against Obamao the first time and lost. 


Even Romney and Palin would do. 


Somebody please save us.




Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:40 | 4306554 Colonel Klink
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I'll take Ron Paul, thank you very much!!

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:15 | 4306686 Tijuana Donkey Show
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I'll take no one. Ron Paul is great, but Bill Hicks summed it up pretty well. Hell, O-bummer could have been an idealist, until the "meeting." 

"I have this feeling man, 'cause you know, it's just a handful of people who run everything, you know … that's true, it's provable. It's not … I'm not a fucking conspiracy nut, it's provable. A handful, a very small elite, run and own these corporations, which include the mainstream media. I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down … and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before … that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." "First we bomb Baghdad." "You got it …" - Bill Hicks

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:41 | 4306774 dexter_morgan
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It is darn onhealthy to mess with Federal Reserve.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:46 | 4306922 Tall Tom
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"This can happen to you, Mr. President Elect. We, as Secret Service Agents, work for the US Treasury Department, Mr. President-Elect. Do not forget that."

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 02:23 | 4307113 Colonel Klink
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And were I president, I'd take my chances then have all all of them "disappeared".  Then switch my security detail to the US marshalls or move the SS under another umbrella.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 02:41 | 4307153 Tall Tom
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The damned bureaucracy is just too entrenched. They shot Reagan when he was not going to play ball...a lousy two months after he got into office, sir. He wanted to revamp the entire economy after the disaster of Carter. So they shot him.


You are in your fifties, right? (Or you are an "Old Soul"?)


I just do not think that there is a political solution at this point.


While I admire bravado you are outnumbered.


But then I had a dream last night which God Himself told me that I was outnumbered by one. When I asked God whom that might be He said, "Take a good look at yourself."


Now that was a strange dream.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:27 | 4307267 Colonel Klink
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I haven't quite hit AARP age yet.

Eventually SOMEONE has to stand up.  I've taken to heart the credo, better to die on your feet than live on your knees.  I've lived most of my life.  If I were to go out in a blaze tomorrow, it would still have been a good life.  As more people come to this position, TPTB will realize "we" are the most dangerous sort of patriots.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants.  History WILL rhyme once again.

They're forcing all of us to it.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:24 | 4308474 Kobe Beef
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It shall be done.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:48 | 4306579 Atomizer
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Re Carl Popper:

I'd like to show how the two political systems lies to the publc taxpayer.

Mauldin Economics interviews Kyle Bass


It really doesn't matter if I'm a Democrat and you're conservative republication, Or the opposite. My hardcore postings would weed me out in a second. /LOL

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:16 | 4306455 youngman
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at some point the CBO has to reevaluate this and come up with new numbers on what this is going to cost.....trillions I think...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 07:03 | 4307384 negative rates
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Either that or a bigger bucket for a smaller boat.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:25 | 4306489 notadouche
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So the administration is patting itself on the back because a million people signed up for Obamacare in which if they didn't they would be breaking the law?  Really?  That's the new measuring stick for successful government?  The bar just keeps getting lower for these clowns.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:26 | 4306491 new game
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what we have is millions of americans that no longer can afford insurance plus all the uninsured that never could afford insurance...

thanks o and dems in the senate, oh thanks - repubs that put up that galant fight-thanks you turncoats.

thanks healthcare executives

thanks red and blue liars...

thanks for fucking this country over once again.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:44 | 4306787 SillySalesmanQu...
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+1 Just like the millions who could never afford a house, but they signed them up and gave out loans anyway.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:29 | 4306500 Rising Sun
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Love it!!!!


You and your communist pig friends can rot in hell Barry - fuck you and your dogshit family.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:30 | 4306503 TrustbutVerify
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What there is magic to is that in the month of December a million Americans signed up for insurance.”

They're being forced to. 

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:36 | 4306531 homiegot
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Carney...a very unfortunate name.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 22:41 | 4306558 Colonel Klink
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It beats Lyingfuckingcunt.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:10 | 4306666 Constitutional ...
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Made me chuckle, Col. Humor is a good weapon, and more fun than whining. See you another time. G'night.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 02:27 | 4307123 Colonel Klink
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Discredit through humor and ridicule!  For anyone who ever follows my comments, they're one of the few tools we have left.  If I truly had any intelligent insight which I felt could be useful to the members, I'd be happy to pass it along.  I get the feeling we're along for the ride and can't stop it.  Everything government has been co-opted by lobbyists and corporate interests.

Appreciate the kind words and glad I could give you a laugh.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:31 | 4306718 dexter_morgan
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These people are such unabashed liars that it would be hilarious if they weren't in the most powerful positions in the world.

This need to be judged by the demographics. OK, what are the demographics. Well, we're not going to give them to you till we can fabricate them correctly......WTF!!!!


Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:34 | 4306754 Everybodys All ...
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The lies are exactly what Marxist con men do. How do you ever combat this if the media will willfully go aong with the misinformation? The normal political battles will no longer suffice proper change.

Mon, 01/06/2014 - 23:39 | 4306769 Seize Mars
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Amen, brother

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 00:48 | 4306937 QQQBall
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s it still a success with 7,065,000.50? Just asking

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 02:37 | 4307145 Medieval Man
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Only the federal govt can improve health care for 1 million people,  fuck up health care for 250 million people, and call it a success...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 03:08 | 4307182 damicol
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Not many people realise that there is a perfectly leegal get out clause from obummer care.

Any US citizen employed by any foreign corporation in whatever capacity  and is covered by the foreign entity as regard to healthcare cover is EXEMPT from the ACA

No fines or needing to buy obummers crap


Any US citizen can be hired under a zero hour contract and enrolled in the group scheme covering emplyees,

It has worldwide coverage, no deductibles, is underwitten by Lloyds of London, and  covers previous and existing conditions,  with one or two exceptions and is far cheaper than  obummers rip off.

send an email to solutions@ukasiagroup,biz for more info

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 03:46 | 4307219 Golden_Rule
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"Healthcare experts have warned of a "death spiral" if not enough young, healthy adults buy into the ObamaCare marketplace to offset the cost of insuring older and sick Americans. A study report by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed that 4 of 10 enrollees would need to be between 18 and 34 years old to prevent a rise in premiums in subsequent years."


So we need to keep paying into SS, Medicare, and now Obamacare to make sure the boomers don't get woken from their government induced coma?  How long till the x's and y's outnumber the zzzzzzz's?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 03:46 | 4307220 Wait What
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my 1st comment! woo hoo! i feel so accomplished! i refuse to contribute to the American ponzi. obamacare or otherwise. just try and make me pay, i dare you.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 04:24 | 4307262 ILikeBoats
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What I hope, is that just like the gun registry in Canada that failed (and incidentally the same screwups in IT outsourcing did that too), the web site fails big time also.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:21 | 4307443 Disenchanted
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re: "There’s no magic to the 7 million."

They should have used 6 million, the magic never wears off of that one.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:59 | 4307493 StychoKiller
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Goalposts??  WHAT GOALPOSTS?!!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:28 | 4307572 d edwards
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It will truly become a "death spiral" for 100's (1000's?) of citizens with serious health problems wht cannot get treatment and die.

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