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Four Photos From A Frozen America

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Four pictures are worth four thousand words:

The St. Joseph Lighthouse on North Pier, Lake Michigan, on Jan. 6, 2014; Photographer: HotSpot/Landov

 

Ice builds up along Lake Michigan at North Avenue Beach as temperatures dipped well below zero in Chicago on Jan. 6, 2014; Photographer: Scott Olson/Getty Images

 

A pedestrian covers her face to keep warm in New York; Photographer: Jin Lee/Bloomberg

 

A man uses a snow blower to clear snow in New York on Jan. 3, 2014, Photographer: Jin Lee/Bloomberg

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And now, some stories, via Bloomberg:

Yesterday’s low in Chicago reached a record for the date of minus 16 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 27 Celsius), beating the mark of minus 14 set in 1884 and 1988, according to the National Weather Service. Today, New York’s high will struggle to reach 10 degrees, a day after Central Park reached 50. As of 7 a.m., it was 5 degrees in New York and 13 in Boston.

“It is a pretty ferocious air mass coming down,” said Tom Kines, a meteorologist with AccuWeather Inc. in State College, Pennsylvania. “Across the upper Midwest it stayed below zero and will stay below zero and that air is coming eastward.”

The frigid weather strangled transportation routes around the country including interstate highways, airlines and rails. It also led to a surge in energy demand that pushed power in Texas to more than $5,000 a megawatt-hour for the first time and caused disruptions at oil refineries in Tennessee and Illinois.

The natural gas-weighted heating degree days value is expected to be 46.5 today, according to Commodity Weather Group LLC in Bethesda, Maryland, beating the century’s previous high of 45.1 set on Jan. 16, 2009. Natural gas-weighted heating degrees subtract the daily average temperatures in cities nationwide from 65, then weight the totals based on population and use of the fuel for heating.

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The cold air blowing across the Great Lakes may bring 24 inches of snow to parts of western New York by tonight, according to the weather service. The region is expected to be whipped by wind chills of minus 30.

“The lake snow belts are going to get walloped,” said James Aman, a senior meteorologist with Earth Networks, Inc. in Germantown, Maryland.

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Valero Corp.’s Memphis refinery in Tennessee had a system shutdown because of low temperatures in the area, according to a filing with the U.S. National Response Center. Exxon Mobil Corp. had some “problems” with unidentified process units at its Joliet, Illinois, refinery because of extreme cold weather, according to a separate filing. U.S. companies must notify the center if they release hazardous substances. Bloomberg couldn’t immediately verify the information.

Record lows for the date were set or tied across the northern tier of the country. The low of minus 13 in Fort Wayne, Indiana, beat the old mark of minus 12 set in 1970, according to the weather service. In Burlington, Iowa, the mercury fell to minus 14, which was also recorded in 1970.

The lowest temperature of the day was minus 40 in Brimson, Minnesota, according to the U.S. Weather Prediction Center in College Park, Maryland.

Among today’s forecast highs are 5 in Chicago, 17 in Washington and 26 in Atlanta.

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While the heart of the cold is shifting east, it will still maintain its grip on the central U.S., Aman said. He said the weather will start to warm in a couple of days.

“By Wednesday morning a lot of your big cities will be in single digits and during the day Wednesday we start to come out of it,” Aman said. “Things will be much more tolerable by Wednesday afternoon and we see some continued warming by Thursday.”

Temperatures in New York are expected to bounce back to 39 by the end of the week, according to the weather service. On Jan. 13 it may reach 53, according to MDA Weather Services in Gaithersburg, Maryland. Chicago’s high may reach 39 by Jan. 12 and Washington 57 by Jan. 13, according to MDA.

 


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Tue, 01/07/2014 - 08:58 | Link to Comment RacerX
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It's good to see our efforts to stem Global Warming have paid off. /sarc

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:03 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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If I were Rahm Isramanuel, I'd file for bankruptcy while everyone's too damn cold to give a fuck.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:13 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Who ever thought up this chemtrail crap needs to get fired.

 

If such a thing existed that is.....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Apocalypse NOW....beaches, frozen or otherwise.

Stay in, warm.....and perhaps solve america's declinning population while you are at it?

;-)

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/apocalypse-now/

 

ori

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:38 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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Amazing how many people around here know you can't get a free lunch when it comes to economics yet think all lunches are free when it comes to the natural world.

This sort of weather is right in line with global warming.  Warming in the Arctic slows the jet stream, which then takes a more lazy path, leading to more extreme weather in the places where it dips or rises more than usual for the time of year.

http://climatestate.com/2014/01/05/polar-vortex-jet-stream-and-climate-c...

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:40 | Link to Comment negative rates
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We have to find a way to financialize this weather.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:58 | Link to Comment max2205
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It was so cold . . .

Starbucks was serving coffee on a stick!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:32 | Link to Comment john39
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but don't worry, Al Gore told us that solar power will be great to heat your homes in winter...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Manthong
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I get a chuckle recalling that the libtard Tom Hartman on RTV was spouting off about the global warming crisis just a few days ago.

Hey Tom, I could have used some help moving 14 inches of global warming in a balmy -14F at the 42nd latitude  off of my driveway yesterday.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:54 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Wow, so some cold weather (similar to the 1970's in scope) on 3% of the globe refutes Global warming...

If you tried using the same logic on boss or to pitch to customer, they would laugh in your face... 

Like I am...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:56 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Hmm.. open butt, insert head.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:13 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Hell, at least I can mix a bit of factual science with my insults...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:18 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Climate change happens..  Little Ice Age, Medieval Warming Period, The year Without a Summer yada yada..

Do not believe the political opportunists pushing an agenda based upon controlling the population using fear.. like the successive campaigns war on crime.. war on poverty.. . war on drugs .. war on terror  and the perpetual war against global warming, er, climate change or whatever they will call it next.

Oh, and if you have not participated in a deep water climate effect scientific study that included dropping XBT s across a wide expanse of ocean, like I have, then STFU.

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/car/Newsletter/htm_format_articles/climate_corner/yearwithoutsummer_lf.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
http://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/070.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/goos/uot/xbt-what-is.php

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:29 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Weather here in AK is great! I like to call my Dad on days when it is colder where he is than it is where I am. "Hey dad, how's the weather? It's raining here ..."

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:38 | Link to Comment akak
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Yeah, but on the other hand, it is ALWAYS raining in Juneau!

 

(Well, at least not quite as hard as in Ketchikan ...)

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:54 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Sorry Flak, my  -10F warming has me a bit ornery this morning. Of course climate change happens, but we only add an eensy, eensy bit to the equation. This is a political control issue. The 8 octillion ton burning gas ball in the sky,its effect on the oceans, and the earth’s internals determine the climate. The solar max will be ending soon and we will cooling some more. But warming will happen eventually…. The ice sheet on Greenland will recede and Greenland will be green AGAIN in a thousand years. The poor polar bears will have to move to where the ice remains.

I’m through with this fight..  shake?

Solve for X:
Pinatubo +
Eyjafjallajökull + Sinabung + Mount St. Helens + (all other volcanoes) = X(SUVs)

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:23 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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eensy, eensy

like Fukushima? Nuclear Holocaust? Polution, Ground Water, Fish Stock, Coral Health, Top Soil.....

you under estimate your powers of destruction but oddly, you still believe mankind can destroy other environments like - economic, democratic, academic, political,....... 

how come the sudden rate of change in the ice cores. They cycle but never at this RATE of change 

the earth is a environmental system with limits

It's strange when folks are Keynesian only on this subject 

See the comment  a week ago on the volcanoes - very little contribution compared to our carbon output

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:31 | Link to Comment qqqqtrader
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With all due respect...

We have 4 frozen pictures.

What difference at this point does it make?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:46 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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see Fukushima Sam's comment above 

Then ask the people freezing their ass off (and sweating their ass off down under) if it's a distinction with a difference

like economic systems - huge, unnatural, and sudden additions create strange distortions, disruptions, and destruction 

it's not rocket science

it's automobile and factory science

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Manthong
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I do not contend that we are not wreaking havoc on the environment in a variety of ways, I just contend we are not changing the climate much.

And I think that ice core thing says more about local environmental factors than long term global climate issues... unless there is a correllation from samples across the globe.. I do not know if that is the case. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:15 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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so what is the magic population number when these effects go global? It appears we've already done that economically, almost politically. Does it depend on the energy output of each? or their consumption? or trash? True, unlike our modern economy, the earth is definitely "resilient" but in what form? She's not human and is a little more flexible. Does she cater to every customer or do some just piss her off to no end?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:18 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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all the global warming deniers on here are a oddly like krugram about factual numbers. They would prefer to keep their head in the sand and sing lalalalalalalala. 

the math behind govt debt is pretty sold enough to huh? Unsusitainable bullshit right. But gobal warming, no those numbers are satans speak.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:25 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Our whole world is just a burning ball of fire

Polar bears drown, drown as the seas get higher!

Burn, burn, burn, the Earth's on fire

A ball of fire...

-- Paul Shanklin

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Bryan
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I get about 23,410,332,612,000 for X.  Can you check my math?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:59 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Pictures of Chitcago & New Yerk?

Like I GAFF!

Fuckin' urban zoos!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:35 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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My granddaughter and her friend, bored because school is out as its deemed too dangerous to try and transport all those children in this sort of weather, tried a little scientific study of their own. They took a pot of boiling water and threw it outdoors to watch it turn to ice crystals in the air. They took a nice little video of it. Its quite an impressive effect. We have the heat set at 77 degrees. The furnace is running constantly, but the temperature is only reaching 64-65 degrees in the house and we've got heaters running in the basement for the pipes. Only the plumbers are happy;there are pipes freezing all over town. My daughter's sister-in-law had her bathroom sink explode. What a mess. There was water everywhere, and it ruined her twin's XBox or PlayStation or whatever it was. Anyway, it was the kids most precious possession. A family of Somalians set their apartment on fire using some sort of alternative heat source (details are vague) and killed several of their ignorant selves. This reminds me of the winters of my childhood. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Toxicosis
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No sorry Flakmeister, please don't attempt to use logic, factual narrative, or even measured research done in the field of the last fifty years.  Belief truimphs and even one blasphemous truth may send the mob out for blood.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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Just to be agreeable, lets just say that Global Warming is indeed true and things will just be apocolyptically bad in 50 years.  Fukushima will kill the Pacific ocean long before global warming does anything, and it will give many of the people you know and love cancer.  Considering that there is a very real and very dangerous problem that is indeed killing everything right now, giving global warming any time is just a waste of time.

Like the little fish?  Get one: Google cursing fish cafepress

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:37 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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God, I feel better

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:23 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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Mr. Flakmeister,

I see your back at it....Even with tainted data models associated with the corrupt IPCC trying to make their unrestrained manipulation match their brain dead theory, you, here, on Zerohedge, continue to try to make everyone believe what isn't true, even when all the evidence is to the contrary.

You would rather go along with the global warming, tax the air we exhale, loot the masses fraud, which is one of the largest CONS perpetrated on the masses. CO2 is a nutrient not a pollutant and has never affected global temperature in any significant way. It has always followed temperature change by hundreds of years. Perhaps you can pitch the retards who have a desire to follow an image of deception, because it sounds and feels good, rather than the facts.

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:33 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Is that the best you can do?

Pretty sad, if I do say...

BTW, what was manipulated and when? 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:49 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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Been there and done that with you, here is good start for those who have a desire to learn the truth. This is just one study of the many studies done to make the data match this idiotic theory.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/21/ipcc-throws-manns-hockey-stick-und...

 

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Did you actually read what was written? Clearly not... 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 19:46 | Link to Comment logicalman
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I understand where your name comes from now.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:32 | Link to Comment toothpicker
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Was that the best YOU could do?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 11:22 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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Here's a good start to get educated and wash your brain of this nonsense Mr. Flakmeister. This is one of the best interviews I have seen on exposing this looting fraud, by a once true believer who's conscious about the facts changed his mind from the alternate reality of ignorance and stupidity to the reality of truth by facts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI3doCKhI7Q

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:34 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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overwhelmed by the science, facts, and peer reviewed data in that comment

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:21 | Link to Comment AbbeBrel
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Hey hey chill out - it is Global Wierding, not warming, anyway:

 

 

<<  I prefer the term 'global weirding,' coined by Hunter Lovins, co-founder of the Rocky Mountain Institute, because the rise in average global temperature is going to lead to all sorts of crazy things — from hotter heat spells and droughts in some places, to colder cold spells and more violent storms, more intense flooding, forest fires and species loss in other places.  >>

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/global_weirding

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:25 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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How quickly you seem to have forgtten the July and September temperatures, but lets use one system in North America to dictate what the past year temps have been for the entire globe, which is better than using facts and reasoning. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 19:45 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Said it before.....

Not knowing the difference between weather and climate is a bit like not knowing the difference between a car and traffic.

One of the key predictions of climate change models is a cooling of northern parts of the globe due to changes in heat transport (gulf stream mostly) - Similarly changes in the Jet Stream.

I wonder if we are seeing a bit of both this week.

Just because some people are trying to make money off global warming doesn't mean it's not happening. Gore - cough - Gore

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:33 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Looks like Snow Miser won this round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPrbccEdI5o

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:50 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aEx7Tk2tpO0/UsqC3eNEguI/AAAAAAAAwzk/p4qVLjjTXU...

 

Fun picture of manbearpig, go for it Banzai...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:43 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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FS, you'd have a friendly audience if you walked into a Baptist church revival in Alabama and started handing out Darwin evolution flyers.  

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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The winds are changing, in case you haven't noticed...

Facts have a way of eventually winning out over lies and deception, but it can take a long time....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:03 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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No....you can't have anymore money.

 

Just make use of what we already gave you.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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The irony of your statement is palpable given that global  fossil fuel industries are subsidized to the tune of ~$500 billion a year....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:24 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Please get off your computer....the electricity you're using is killing the rest of us.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:42 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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http://www.nature.com/news/ipcc-despite-hiatus-climate-change-here-to-st...

 

Umm, 17 year hiatus as stated by your betters, explain that flack or better yet just shut up no one beleives your politisciencefraud facts anyway..

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:57 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Well my esteemed collegue, when did the warming stop? Can you demonstrate the inflection point in the data? When did the trend change?

Can you explain this nugget: on average every decade since the 1950's has been warmer than the previous with 2000-2010 being the warmest...

Are you capable of googling that, or do you need help?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:02 | Link to Comment john39
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the old 'baffle with bullshit' routine.  problem is, well.... the weather just isn't cooperating.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:06 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You are easily baffled aren't you?

I asked two very simple questions....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:14 | Link to Comment john39
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you guys need to come up with better ways to 'hide the decline":

http://www.assassinationscience.com/climategate/1/FOIA/mail/0942777075.txt

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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That dog done quit hunting and passed on years ago...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:23 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Average temperature!  WTF is that! 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:40 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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What would a satellite far from earth measure exactly?

Your Dunning-Kruger is showing, in spades:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackbody_radiation

sigma*T4, bitchez... 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:53 | Link to Comment Cruel Aid
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Yep, depends on your timeframe

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:17 | Link to Comment overmedicatedun...
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One fact is certain.  A drop in sea level for 2 of the past 5 years is a strong indicator that a changing sea level is not a great concern.  In order for the IPCC prediction to be correct of a 1m increase in sea level by 2100, the rate must be almost 11 mm/yr every year for the next 89 years.  Since the rate is dropping, it makes the prediction increasingly unlikely.  Not even once in the past 20 years has that rate ever been achieved.  The average rate of 2.7 mm/yr is only 25% of the rate needed for the IPCC prediction to be correct.

This is yet another serious blow the accuracy of the official IPCC predictions for the coming century.  The fact that CO2 levels have been higher in the last 5 years that have the lowest rate of rise than the years with lower CO2 levels is a strong indicator that the claims of CO2 are grossly exaggerated.

 

Posted in Ocean: Sea Level and SST by inconvenientskeptic on January 16th, 2011 at 8:53 pm.
Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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I'll give you credit, you do try to make an argument...

But quoting some guys blog from 3 years ago ain't going go far....

BTW, the small drop in SL 2011 was tied to the epic massive floods in Austrailia. here let me google that for you

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=sea+level+drop+australia

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:57 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it's not that simple:

"The amount of heat stored in the oceans is one of the most important diagnostics for global warming, because about 90% of the additional heat is stored there (you can read more about this in the last IPCC report from 2007).  The atmosphere stores only about 2% because of its small heat capacity.  The surface (including the continental ice masses) can only absorb heat slowly because it is a poor heat conductor.  Thus, heat absorbed by the oceans accounts for almost all of the planet’s radiative imbalance.

If the oceans are warming up, this implies that the Earth must absorb more solar energy than it emits longwave radiation into space. This is the only possible heat source. That’s simply the first law of thermodynamics, conservation of energy. This conservation law is why physicists are so interested in looking at the energy balance of anything. Because we understand the energy balance of our Earth, we also know that global warming is caused by greenhouse gases – which have caused the largest imbalance in the radiative energy budget over the last century.

If the greenhouse effect (that checks the exit of longwave radiation from Earth into space) or the amount of absorbed sunlight diminished, one would see a slowing in the heat uptake of the oceans. The measurements show that this is not the case.

The increase in the amount of heat in the oceans amounts to 17 x 1022 Joules over the last 30 years.  That is so much energy it is equivalent to exploding a Hiroshima bomb every second in the ocean for thirty years.

The data in the graphs comes from the World Ocean Database.  Wikipedia has a fine overview of this database.  The data set includes nine million measured temperature profiles from all of the world’s oceans.  One of my personal heroes, the oceanographer Syd Levitus, has dedicated much of his life to making these oceanographic data freely available to everyone.  During the Cold war that even landed him in a Russian jail for espionage for a while, as he was visiting Russia on his quest for oceanographic data (he once told me of that adventure over breakfast in a Beijing hotel).

How to deny data

Ideologically motivated “climate skeptics” know that these data contradict their claims, and respond … by rejecting the measurements. Millions of stations are dismissed as “negligible” – the work of generations of oceanographers vanish with a journalist’s stroke of a pen because what should not exist, cannot be. “Climate skeptics’” web sites even claim that the measurement uncertainty in the average of 3000 Argo probes is the same as that from each individual one.  Thus not only are the results of climate research called into question, but even the elementary rules of uncertainty calculus that every science student learns in their first semester.  Anything goes when you have to deny global warming.  Even more bizarre is the Star Trek argument – but let me save that for later.

Slowdown in the upper ocean

Let us look at the upper ocean (for historic reasons defined as the upper 700 m):

Change in the heat content of the upper 700 m of the oceans.  Source: NOAA

 

And here is the direct comparison since 1980:

Changes in the heat content of the oceans.  Source:  Abraham et al., 2013.  The 2-sigma uncertainty for 1980 is 2 x 1022 J and for recent years 0.5 x 1022 J

 

We see two very interesting things.

First:  Roughly two thirds of the warming since 1980 occurred in the upper ocean.  The heat content of the upper layer has gone up twice as much as in the lower layer (700 – 2000 m).  The average temperature of the upper layer has increased more than three times as much as the lower (because the upper layer is only 700 m thick, and the lower one 1300 m).  That is not surprising, as after all the ocean is heated from above and it takes time for the heat to penetrate deeper.

Second:  In the last ten years the upper layer has warmed more slowly than before.  In spite of this the temperature still is changing as rapidly there as in the lower layer.  This recent slower warming in the upper ocean is closely related to the slower warming of the global surface temperature, because the temperature of the overlaying atmosphere is strongly coupled to the temperature of the ocean surface.

That the heat absorption of the ocean as a whole (at least to 2000 m) has not significantly slowed makes it clear that the reduced warming of the upper layer is not (at least not much) due to decreasing heating from above, but rather mostly due to greater heat loss to lower down:  through the 700 m level, from the upper to the lower layer.  (The transition from solar maximum to solar minimum probably also contributed a small part as planetary heat absorption decreased by about 15%, Abraham, et al., 2013).  It is difficult to establish the exact mechanism for this stronger heat flux to deeper water, given the diverse internal variability in the oceans.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Seer
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THC - Thermohaline Ocean Circulation: http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/thc_fact_sheet.html

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Seer
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THC - Thermohaline Ocean Circulation: http://www.pik-potsdam.de/~stefan/thc_fact_sheet.html

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:40 | Link to Comment CrazyCooter
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Ok, so you start out with this notion ...

Can you explain this nugget: on average every decade since the 1950's has been warmer than the previous with 2000-2010 being the warmest...

Let's say you are on to something. Here is how to prove everything you say is right.

  • Step 1: On a very long timeline, find a short segment of investable financial data that is increasing at the rate you predict.
  • Step 2: Apply Biryani's Ruler and bet your farm (or OPM)
  • Step 3: Retire to your tropical/arctic island and make fun of us on ZH for the rest of your life.

Your presupposition is that future decades will be like previous decades, something I like to call "driving a car by using the rear view mirror".

Regards,

Cooter

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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But, how could the 2001-2010 decade be the hottest, Biryani's ruler notwithstanding??

Best quit while you are ahead....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Could be that more of the monitoring stations are now in urban locations, or that the locations of the monitoring stations have been urbanized.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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No... that dog don't hunt and you would know that if you did the least bit of legwork

http://www.skepticalscience.com/urban-heat-island-effect-intermediate.htm

BTW, scientists were discussing the UHI effect back in 1959.... Do you think that they are that stupid as to overlook such an obvious effect?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:35 | Link to Comment venturen
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Flak Good Old Boy can you show us all there are record highs in last 30 years? http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001416.html

Or just explain why there is a an even distrubution of record cold across time? http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0113527.html

I have an open mind and don't make up a new theories each week to explain why none of my predictions don't come true....as the Global Conspiracy does. They currently explain that global warming is weather that is cold, hot, wet or dry, more ice or less ice or extreme or claim. It is embarrassing. All I know is that many of the cures of global warming and the obscene giving away of money to loyal democrats and liberals the world over are causing more harm than the warming. You can't document ONE effect of warming...not one! 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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You did not get the memo...

Here is the distribution of record highs vs lows for the past 40 years....

https://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/news/1036/record-high-temperatures-far-outpace-record-lows-across-us#mediaterms

Do you see a trend?

BTW, the ratio is about 3:1 for record highs vs lows since 2010 in the US...

You can now return to the state of denial you appear to exist in...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:22 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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How much of that money is from funding for AGW/AGCC research? You really think oil/petrochem companies are not benefitting from this gravy train?

The purpose of government is to eliminate competition, by shooting it, if necessary.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:38 | Link to Comment G.O.O.D
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Ok Flak, we will quit using all fossil fuels and you will be so dead in a week unless you can out run and gun 7 billion starving zombies. We on this earth eat oil. Oil makes it possible to have cities, without oil we are all dead dead dead. get it? Either we destroy the planet to get oil or we die trying. That is our only choice, but for me I am heading south to the gulf coast as the Pacific is dead dead dead.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:05 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Madness in the winds got something to say.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:19 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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Ok FS, maybe, just maybe, this is Earths way of 'correcting itself'???

I somewhat understand desaliization and how that causes freezing due to less salts due to bergs melting, etc.

blah blah blah

But it's nice to hear the global warming pissants shut the fuck up until someone has the gall to spew about it.

You have gall.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:21 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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What you don;t know about climate fills many many textbooks....

BTW, are you actually espousing Gaia Theory?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:25 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Sooooo.....no freedom of religion either?

 

Is there anything else about my life you feel a need to control?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:33 | Link to Comment john39
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global warming religion is acceptable- NWO.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:36 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Nice strawman...

I was somewhat suprised that you would be attracted to such a touchy feeling idea as Gaia theory, somewhat out of character for you I would say.... 

Finally, don't flatter yourself I really don't care what you do...

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:44 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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"Finally, don't flatter yourself I really don't care what you do..."

That's the part of all this that really cracks me up. How these nut jobs think we're obsessed with them and what they do, when religious nutjob is the one obsessed with someone's sex life.

I also like how they see themselves as the personal responsibility crowd when they don't care who has to deal with their shit downstream. Ah, such is the thinking of an emitionally-based mind. Which is ironic in itself considering that they think liberals base everything on emotions.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:24 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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there was smoke everywhere!

and I said oh no lord Jesus! I gotz the bronchitis!

 

 

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:01 | Link to Comment the 300000000th...
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This has nothing to do with the jet stream, and stop reading all the liberal propaganda. And by the way there are no free lunches in the natural world, there are no food stamps out in the wild

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:33 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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so all the scientist that work a NOAA are liberal propagandis? Yes they set up hope monitors alll over the ocean to measure water tempuature so that obama can raise your taxes.  

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:11 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"This sort of weather is right in line with global warming."

ROTFL!!!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:30 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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now you just sound stupid. Very krugmanesque. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:00 | Link to Comment qqqqtrader
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Central England air temperatures since 1659

http://www.climate4you.com/CentralEnglandTemperatureSince1659.htm

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:18 | Link to Comment Blano
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This pathetic global warming/climate change shit is an endless source of amusement. 

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:53 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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To a certain extent I agree.  Humans will not change their behavior. We are made for short-term survival, not long-term preservation.

But it doesn't matter; the future warming is already "baked in" as they say and there is little we can do about it now except prepare ourselves as best we can.

No one should try to force anyone to try to change their behavior in regards to their impact on the planet.  It is immoral, it is contrary to our human nature, and it is too late anyway.

Humanity has been a brilliant flash in the pan and I am happy I was here for at least part of the good times.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:04 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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agree with everything but the word "brilliant"

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:21 | Link to Comment JuliaS
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One man's amusement is another man's revenue.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:30 | Link to Comment whatthecurtains
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Hey Al Sharpton agrees with you Fuk Sam so you must be right

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/al-sharpton-demonstrates-hes-clueless-about-global-warming

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Kayman
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Amazing how Global Warming has morphed into "Climate Change". So Sam is saying we will eventually have arctic conditions in the mainland USA and the Arctic will be the new Florida.

These boys have an answer for everything when the evidence shits on their theory. Fail.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:01 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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It will take decades for the carbon to work its way throught the system and for the climate to eventually reach a new equilibrium.  In the meantime it is hard to predict anything.  Our planet's climate system is extemely large and complex.  When complex systems are destabilized it happens in a chaotic way, so developments are often only obvious in hindsight.

For instance, one fear is that the warming Gulf Stream could destabilize Greenland's ice to the point it rapidly collapses, blocking the warm ocean currents and causing a new ice age.

One climate scientist compares the climate to a big unknown monster who we are poking with a stick.  We really don't know how that monster is going to react, but we keep poking it.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:25 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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"When complex systems are destabilized it happens in a chaotic way,"

so true. and this site has taken a lot of time explaining that theory in the economic systems

I don't blame those who are incredibly skeptical about anything the government endorses but just like the banks, they have to remember that big energy pulls their strings as well. If anything, the trend has been the government getting quieter on this subject, and much like independent economists, the independent scientists getting louder...

if this site stands for anything it is skepticism PLUS homework. 

and the carbon tax means nothing, other than what the government does best. It proves nothing on the science.    

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:31 | Link to Comment bagehot99
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Decades? Al Gore said in 1998 that the polar ice caps would be gone in 2013.

They're not. Care to explain?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:49 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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A Mountebank's inaccurate predictions mean nothing, other than what Mountebanks do best (fleece sheep). It proves nothing on the science. h/t DJ

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 21:44 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Do you listen to or isolate one corrupt politician to make important economic points?

Why do that for any other subject?

There are much smarter, respected people discussing this subject   

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:37 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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yes keep watching all the articles pour in on Chineses smog and the like and think to yourself "ah shit that aint ever gonna amout to nuttin." 

kayman-dont even say the word "evidence" as you dont actually give a rip what that word means.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Chaos_Theory
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Ah, China.  Excempt from the Kyoto Accords as I recall.  And certainly not a player in any "carbon tax" scheme. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:59 | Link to Comment DadzMad
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The legit climate science (which doesn't get any press) does list more extreme weather events as a result of changing natural climate cycles.  The climate science in the MSM is nothing but a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.   We are a bunch of self righteous little shits thinking we can effect change on anything and everything.  Our time on this planet is but a mere tick on the clock, we're a bug on the windshield of the universe.

I love having conversations with the save the earth crowd.  I ask them even if you're right, shouldn't it be save the human race instead of save the planet?  The earth could give two shits how much CO2 is in the atmosphere, she's going to keep spinning around the sun no matter what we do.  We need her, she doesn't need us.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:25 | Link to Comment gaoptimize
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There were beautiful times on Earth with higher CO2 and with higher temperature, although there does not seem to be much correlation between the two. http://www.biocab.org/Geological_Timescale_op_712x534.jpg

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Landrew
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It is strange that some people here think the square foot they occupy is the world. Science eludes many here. To debate with them is to argue there is gravity and not worth your time. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:27 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Like playing chess with a pigeon:

"...it knocks the pieces over, shits on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory." - S.D. Weitzenhoffe

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:39 | Link to Comment akak
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... or moves to the (oil-funded) utopia of Norway.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:38 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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heh, felt your auriculars burning didja?

a kak maintains that pigeons, while utterly useless at chess, are capable of understanding fiscal responsibility... 'nough said.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:31 | Link to Comment GeorgeHayduke
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Excellent point Fukushima Sam. And obviously well beyond the comprehension of most ZH posters considering all of the down arrows. They don't like anyone who points out reality to their emotionally-based ideology.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:28 | Link to Comment J S Bach
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Yes... we ZHers are pretty nutty.  How dare we think that the colder the earth gets, the less guilty man is of causing Global Warming.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:46 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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spoken from the book of Krugman. Nice fluff.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Pairadimes
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Google phlogiston, one of AGW's predecessors in the pantheon of scientific deformities, and a near-perfect model for understanding the AGW craze.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:21 | Link to Comment J S Bach
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"This sort of weather is right in line with global warming.  Warming in the Arctic slows the jet stream, which then takes a more lazy path, leading to more extreme weather in the places where it dips or rises more than usual for the time of year."

 

Using this logic, let's turn a few of the words around...

 

"This sort of weather is right in line with global cooling.  Cooling in the Temperate zones speeds the jet stream, which then takes a more determined path, leading to more extreme weather in the places where it rises or dips more than usual for the time of year."

 

Yep... makes sense to me.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Muppetrage
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People tend to believe whatever supports their financial well being.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:10 | Link to Comment Moe Hamhead
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Global warming is a crock of shit.  When I was in grade school I realized that times have changed since the Laurentide ice sheet coverd most of north america, or the Wisconsin glacier extended as far south as southern Illinois, and I was thankful for the way the earth had adapted to use the glacial till and melt to nourish the planet for future plant growth. We warmed a lot since then, and it has changed over the years.  Europe was warmer during the middle ages from approx. 950 to 1250 AD, then it cooled down for a few hundred years after that, and et cetera... It goes in cycles.  Guess what !  the sun is going to go down this evening, so run around in circles wringing your hands because it's going to be dark for awhile; but, barring the end of the world, it will be up again tomorrow, and don't flatter yourself by thinking you can do anything about it.  No legislation is going to prevent the tide, or the climate, from cycling as it is meant to by natural or supernatural forces beyond our control.  Pride is not one of man's nobler virtues.  And to think he can control the climate, or the cosmos, is the epitome of a godless self importance.  Spend your time in more worthwhile pursuits, like adapting to the changes. 

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 09:43 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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The MWP was local and not warmer than current conditions...

You cannot show one single global temperature reconstruction that supports your claim... 

In other words,  quit making shit up...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:30 | Link to Comment bagehot99
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Bunk. Speculative, unscientific bunk. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 15:01 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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That is stupid.  I saw colder times as a kid.  The weather changes from year to year, decade to decade, century to century,....  10,000 years ago my property was under 2 miles of ice.

Global cooling, warming, climate change is snake oil for retards.  Pollution, that is real and easily evident.  But no, the idiots have to cry about a percieved .01 degree here or there.  Whatever, enjoy your... whatever it is you enjoy as long as you just leave the rest of us the hell alone.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 15:25 | Link to Comment rsh00
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You just saw the movie 'The Day After Tomorrow' right?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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"Who ever thought up this chemtrail crap needs to get fired."

 

Saying "Chemtrail" scares people, they perfer you use "Geo-engineering", it's science after all, there couldn't possibly be unrealized consequences for trying to modify the atmosphere of the planet.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:11 | Link to Comment doomandbloom
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If I were Rahm Im. I would be finding ways to benefit from these problems.

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:14 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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Watch for a spike in birth rates nine months from now!

Watch for a spike in divorce rates two months from now!

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:31 | Link to Comment remain calm
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I can not find my testicles. The government has no limits on what it will confiscate, family jewels are apparently fair game

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:41 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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It's colder in Cincinnati now than in all of Alaska according to he temperature map I see now.

So it's a great time to get a good deal on a new air conditioner system!

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 09:53 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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And that is the crux of what is really going on...

A large low pressure system basically pushed the Arctic air mass out of the way and it had no place to go but south over the US

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 10:45 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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And this is traceable back to the Chinese burning too much coal, right?  Nothing to do with the big bright ball in the sky, right..  ROTFL, some folks need a cause as they are empty inside..

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:02 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Seems your reading comprehension and analytic abilities are seriously lacking...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Solar_vs_Temp_basic.gif

Actaully, the chinese while being the biggest emitters of C02 currently are responsible for only 10% of excess C02 up there...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:08 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Ohh I see, excess CO2 and pray tell who was it that gave us our optimum CO2 level we must conform too? Manbearpig perhaps?  Have you told the Pleistocene that its CO2 levels were much too high??

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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What a fine non sequitur and budding strawman that you are building....

I do give you credit for spelling Pleistocene correctly....

 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:25 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Flak when you use the word "excess" if implies to all english speakers that an optimum exists lower than the "excess".  Again whom establishes the optimum?

Simple question, now answer it.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:46 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Given that C02 levels were basically flat for a many thousand years until about 1850 when coal burning become in vogue... 

Are you going to need another a bale of straw for your man?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Who establishes the correct amount under the "excess"?  It is very simple, your non answer above is a joke.  So the CO2 levels should be flat when basic research shows CO2 levels are a lagging indicator not a precursor to warming. 

Again if this was not about simple control you would be talking about human adaptation to a changing world not human / economic control schemes.

Your orientation is transparent to all informed folks here..

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:45 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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lagging indicators and cause and effect are not the same thing 

you ridicule optimum numbers for human health

yet, they exist in thousands of data points related to human health, don't they?

you're making the common mistake of confusing "planet" health 

with a healthy environment for humans and other specific living organisms 

you're also confusing change with rate of change

which can make all the difference in survival, economic or otherwise

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Well Davey maybe you can answer the question Flak cannot.  What is the optimum amoutn of atmospheric CO2 and who set this number?  Just tell us what we are striving for and who set our goal  and perhaps we can acommodate you and GAIA.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Optimum for what? 

Continued existence of H. Sapiens? Whales? Krill? Jellyfish? Elephants? Turtles? Birds of Paradise? Sequoias? Dinosaurs? 

BTW, nobody set the number, and Earth doesn't really care whether we inhabit it or not. When you realize that we belong to the Earth and not the other way around you will take the first steps on the path to wisdom... 

BTW, H. Sapiens has been around for ~1/20,000 of the planets existence... 

Do you have any other seemingly clever questions devoid of substance?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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You have answered the question adequately to the best of your ability and your psuedoscientific theory, thank you.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 19:58 | Link to Comment butchtrucks
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Stop baffling them with science Flak.  Gotta remember that a lot of ZH'ers are pretty sure that H. Sapiens and dinosaurs co-existed. 

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 22:19 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Do you disagree that mankind has tripped upon all sorts of crucial numbers in his scientific adventures? 

You are not suggesting that just because you or I or santa have not yet tripped that a range for human health does not exist?

No matter where you sit, you are not suggesting that the scale of this issue is minor? 

You're a logical man so how would we logic this out?

When did mankind evolve? What is habitat? What other life forms does he depend upon? How does that food chain work?

When did this habitat evolve? Can we measure the carbon content of the atmosphere for this period?

Were there rapid changes? What did that do to life forms? 

Just as important, what effects and on what life forms are these curret relatively rapid changes having? say..in the ocean 

How crucial are these life forms to the food chain?      

Things like that might be a good start

Perhaps taking amazingly condensed carbon energy and blowing millions of years of it into a fixed system in less than a hundred is a "unique" and "new" input, with a unique and new rate of change for a system that generally moves much more gradually. That we know for sure, from the ice cores   

http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Reference_Docs/Geocarb_III-Berner.pdf

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:00 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Wow, you just get dumber and dumber.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:15 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Love the pretty pictures. Al had quite afew of these in his smash movie, too. Problem is, these graphs may as well have been generated on n Etch-a-Sketch. Th source data is nonsense lies (look that up, Mr. Google) and you obviously don't understand math. But you eat propaganda.

As a person with a PhD in chemistry, who minored in math and physics, please read the following. And then give this bullshit a rest. No, put it to rest and stop looking like an asshole.

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/03/03/hockey-stick-1998-2005-rip/

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Good for you....

Psst... there are so many verifications of the Hockey stick, it is now a hockey team. Go ahead and google them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_large-scale_temperature_reconstructions_of_the_last_2,000_years

And since you have a minor in math, you will be able to understand the following little bit where McIntyre fraudulently cherry picked the noise simulations:

http://deepclimate.org/2010/11/16/replication-and-due-diligence-wegman-style/

There is a term for what Wegman, McIntyre and McKitrick did, it is scientific fraud....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:31 | Link to Comment BandGap
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The source data didn't lie. I have wondered since the late 1990s how that idiot at Penn State got away with this. He didn't cherry pick, he literally put in a subroutine into the model to gain the inflection point. Voila! Global Warming! Then again he and his cohorts were giving the government what they wanted.

Keep shreeking, and learn some math, OK? That way you might see through the propaganda.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Making shit up I see...

BTW, every paper basically agrees with Mann result (except that one that had to be retracted)....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_large-scale_temperature_reconstructions_of_the_last_2,000_years

You are out of your league....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:03 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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Flak is no idiot, I'll give him that.

But he is over-the-top insulting.

When he starts betting you or daring you.....you'll know you've gotten under his skin.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:08 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Where I come from, people that have no fucking idea of what they are talking about know when to shut up or are very funny...

The idjuts here ain't that funny...

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:18 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Present company accepted. You are a fool.

Where I come from is, well, where the first picture of this article comes from.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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Do you guys know if the global warming climate models, simulations, and research being accepted as truth account for Geo-engineering and HAARP arrays super charging the ionosphere?

Or would those be considered fringe anomalies?

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Perhaps you should have stayed there then.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:10 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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3,2,1.. he will tell me I know nothing of Climate and he'll bet me one million dollars..  Cuz, cuz science..  These idiots do not even have the abiltiy to model cloud cover and they know what the temperature should be lol..

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:27 | Link to Comment nflux
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You could point out endless amounts of science to refute what this guy is saying and he'd dismiss it all because you are using bad science while he is using good science. Global warming is a religion, trying to reason with these people is pointless.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Oh please do...

I havent seen a single shred of verifiable science put forth to refute my posts...

I am waiting, bring it on....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Answer the question above re: optimum levels of CO2 and who establishes the level.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:41 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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"I am waiting, bring it on...."

 

Uh oh, there's the dare...............next up is THE BET!!!!

Flak, you're losing all credibility.

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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I am still waiting....

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 14:39 | Link to Comment toothpicker
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Global trolling

Tue, 01/07/2014 - 11:47 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Hey asshole, here's how it works.

You present the theory and then use evidence to back it up. Not the other way around, fuckhead. And incidentally, evidence from your side of the theory has been shown to be fabricated.

Go somewhere else, dickwad.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!