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The Disenchantment Of American Politics (And The Coming Uproar)

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Submitted by James H Kunstler via Peak Prosperity,

Considering the problems we face as a nation, the torpor and lassitude of current politics in America seems like a kind of offense against history. What other people have allowed circumstances to run over them like so many ‘possums sleeping on the highway?

The financial disturbances of recent years especially have trashed millions of households, yet the fat middle (no pun intended) of the broad public (ditto) seems strangely content with all the tawdry sideshows of the day - Black Thursday, the Kardashians, the NFL playoffs, Twitter, texting, twerking, side boobs - taking little-to-no interest in politics while their prospects for a habitable future swirl around the drain. How might we account for such supernatural passivity?

And, since human affairs don’t remain static indefinitely, in what direction might things go when the political mood finally heaves and shifts? The possibilities are unsettling.

A Failure to Lead

If you care about poll numbers, they tell a simple story of contempt for the current crop of US political leaders. Congress rates a 12 percent approval rating and President Obama, at 35 percent, scores lower than Richard Nixon did in the midst of the Watergate fiasco. I’m surprised that Obama’s numbers aren’t lower (and I voted for him, twice). After all, few American lives were actually touched by the lies and shenanigans that spun off of Watergate, and money was an inconsequential part of it. But a whole lot of people were affected by Obama’s dissimulations around the Affordable Care Act, while his tragic failure to reestablish the rule of law in banking from the get-go in 2009 probably amounts to impeachable malfeasance. Add to this the NSA domestic spying operations revealed by Edward Snowden plus the troops indefinitely garrisoned in Asian countries and you have a portrait of a creeping Orwellian contagion.

The only whiff of rebellion in the air lately has emanated from the so-called conservative end of the political spectrum: the Tea Party. Its complaints mainly range around the offenses of Big Government, though a certain incoherence pervades its agenda as a whole. (I will get to that presently.)  I am sympathetic to gripes against the size and reach of government but I’m convinced that the swerve of US politics in the not-distant future will hinge on the failure of government at this scale to conduct any business competently. Anyway, as a veteran of the hippie uprising of the 1960s, when the Left was insurgent against an obdurate “establishment,” it’s interesting to observe the perverse flip-flop of history that has now put the Tea Party in charge of rebellion central.

The failures of the Left these days are pretty obvious and awful. They got their storybook change-agent elected president and he hasn’t done a darn thing in five years to halt the wholesale racketeering that pervades our national life. Obama’s Department of Justice is home to more zombies than the Grand Cemetery of Port-Au-Prince. The Attorney General’s office essentially signed off on prosecuting bank fraud when Lanny Breuer, chief of the Criminal Division, declared some banks too big to jail. End of story, as Tony Soprano used to say.


Obama promised to brick up the revolving door between Wall Street and the federal agencies and he only added more turnstiles to the gate. Most of the government officials involved in the 2009 TARP program and related crisis management operations are now pulling in six figure salaries at the banks and hedge funds they formerly regulated, while a veteran fixer (Mary Jo White) from the whitest white shoe fixit law shop in the land (Debevoise & Plimpton) was appointed to head the SEC a year ago.

The Left, as represented by President Obama and a majority in the US Senate, did nothing to arrest the ongoing corporate hijacking of the USA. When the Supreme Court ruled in the Citizens United case (2010) that corporations could buy elections via unlimited campaign contributions under the free speech clause of the constitution, Obama had the chance to propose new legislation or a constitutional amendment to redefine the distinction between human persons and corporate “persons.” You’d think that as a constitutional lawyer, he would have been eager to lead on this. But he just ignored the historic opportunity and, anyway, he was on the receiving end of gobs of corporate “free speech” money to run his reelection campaign.

Apart from its pitiful roll-out bugs, the Affordable Care Act has the odor of the biggest insurance scam in history. People joke these days about Obama serving George W. Bush’s fourth term. The internal contradictions of Democratic Party behavior under Obama have only driven political cynicism to new heights. The millennial generation must feel horribly swindled by it.

A Paucity of Good Options

As for the rebellious conservative Tea Party faction, it is hard for me to square their umbrage at Big Government with their avidity for foreign wars (and support for the military-industrial rackets behind them), their failure to oppose the security-state activities of the NSA (while branding whistleblower Snowden “a traitor”), their love of corporate commercial tyranny a la Wal-Mart, their devotion to economically suicidal suburban sprawl, their zeal to control the social and sexual conduct of their fellow citizens, and their efforts to impose religion in civic affairs — all of which is to ask, what do they mean when they shout about “liberty?”

These contradictions probably seem abstruse compared to the gritty plight of ordinary citizens getting monkey-hammered in an economy that can provide neither decent incomes nor dignified, meaningful social roles for classes of people who could be earnest, honest, and enterprising given the chance. This gets to a more general failure across the political spectrum to apprehend the larger changing dynamics of our time — resource scarcity, capital impairment, contraction, environmental collapse, population overshoot — and to frame a coherent response to these developments. In short, the politicians seem to have no idea where history is taking us, and no road-map to prepare for the journey to get there.

There will probably always be some alignment of Left and Right in politics, but from time to time the packages they come in and the ideologies they contain are in desperate need of either rehabilitation or dissolution. I’d bet that we may soon see the demise of both the Democratic and Republican parties as they are currently structured. They’ve been around an awful long time now, and their presence probably provides a certain reassuring familiarity, but that is also the same growth medium as contempt. The useless and tiresome public quarrels they spawn these days, the kabuki theater debt ceiling showdowns, the can-kickings, and other evasions of responsibility, erode basic institutional trust to a dangerous degree; the people lose faith in the courts, the news media, the banks, the value of their money, and eventually all authority. The two major parties function as mere conduits for all the racketeering operations that define life in this nation today. The mature two-party system may prove to have been a transient product of America’s industrial heyday, which is now over despite the euphoria over stock bubbles, shale oil, computers and other new technology. If the two old parties dry up and blow away, will anyone shed a tear for them? When that happens, there may not be enough political vitality left at the federal level to reconstitute them in new packaging.

Trouble Brewing

If party politics are weak, muddled, and contradictory, the divisions between Americans are starkly clear: wealth in America has never been so unevenly distributed — the fabled one percent versus everyone else. Despite the election of a mixed-race president, and the wish-fulfillment fantasies of Hollywood, race relations in the USA remain tense. 2013 was the year of the “knockout” game for black teenagers randomly targeting “woods” (i.e. non-black “peckerwoods”), some of whom died. It was the year of George Zimmerman’s acquittal in the Trayvon Martin case and the echoing recriminations.

Divisions between men and women are tragically compounded by the dangerous dynamics of work in America that leave many men (especially men) in a vacuum of purpose, meaning, and potency. It is almost impossible these days for low-skilled men to support a family. The indignity of this thunders through broken communities and the penitentiary cellblocks. But the anomie is also expressed in the higher ranks of an economy where office work can be done by anybody, and gender confusion lately has been valorized as a compensating mechanism for the marginalization of men and the failure of manhood. The political blowback from this, when it comes, is apt to be fierce. Look no further than Duck Dynasty.

The ongoing national culture war pits the “traditional values” faction against the sexual libertarians; the red states against the blue states; urban against the conflated suburban and rural; the Christian fundamentalists against an array of other positions and belief groups; the entitlement “socialists” against the “free market” conservatives.

Perhaps most divisive of all will be the schism between the young and the old over the table scraps of the dying industrial economy.

These tensions will not remain unresolved indefinitely.

In Part II: Get Ready For Strange Days, we'll forecast the direction that this resolution may follow. The last time the USA faced a comparable political convulsion was the decade leading into the Civil War, but this time it will be more complex and confusing and it will have a different ending. A dominant theme will be a continued loss of faith in the Federal government to solve our ills, and a re-emergence of reliance on local support networks at the state, municipal, community and family levels.

This devolution will likely play out very differently across the major regions of the US. And most will follow this course unwillingly.

Strange days are coming.



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Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:09 | 4313287 SilverIsKing
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"It is almost impossible these days for low-skilled men to support a family."

Perhaps that low-skilled man should refrain from starting a family.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:14 | 4313310 max2205
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According to a recent poll Congress has a new low 5% approval rating of the American Public...

Say whattttt

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:41 | 4313393 PrecipiceWatching
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I agree.


Why so high?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:52 | 4313434 SWRichmond
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this time it will be more complex and confusing and it will have a different ending

The good guys are going to win this time.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:17 | 4313772 Mitzibitzi
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History does, I'm afraid to point out, say differently. The good guys never win, cos the bad guys have bigger guns and can print fake money to pay the gullible to shoot them. Until we take away that advantage and the control over lawful currency that enables it...

Hard being a Libertarian, ain't it? You want to follow the non-aggression principle but the path to true liberty pretty much guarantees that you can't, if you actually want to win!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:08 | 4313912 Buckaroo Banzai
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Everybody knows.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:46 | 4314472 chumbawamba
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I’m surprised that Obama’s numbers aren’t lower (and I voted for him, twice).

Jesus Christ, Cuntsler, you're a fucking idiot.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:53 | 4314477 chumbawamba
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Cuntsler: fool me once, shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again!

In the end, he's just another oblivious statist tool, basically in the same vein as Webster Tarpley.



Thu, 01/09/2014 - 02:31 | 4314535 401K of Dooom
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Tyler is a bigger idiot for putting his article up on ZH!

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 23:19 | 4321820 mkkby
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It makes total sense that the charade known as politics is ignored by most people.  Nothing can be done about it, so worry about something more productive.

I also makes sense that most people don't actively resist.  Some day things will get much much worse.  Think actual hunger.  Then, and only then, the streets will be in chaos and rope will be in short supply.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 02:10 | 4314519 Race Car Driver
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+1 Link

Wow, what a well done production. The guy, at his age, is still a master of his craft.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:18 | 4313325 StacksOnStacks
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Thinking the same thing.  Why is it ok to have a bunch of kids and no job but weird if you have no kids and a job?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:46 | 4313665 SWRichmond
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There was a time not so long ago when an unskilled or semi-skilled man (or woman, though most modern American women do not want and would not take these jobs) could find work as a laborer in a mine, steel mill, etc and earn something that resembled a living wage.  For several reasons, including technological advancement, globalization, the impossibly phony financialized economy we live in where no one actually makes anything, inflation, etc, that is now quite difficult if not impossible.  So what are the people who are not able to learn a skill or skiled trade to do?

The dems would say "go on welfare and vote democratic".  This is where we are right now as the lower economic classes were the first to get chewed off the economic ladder.  Warehousemen, painters, drywall finishers, isulators, are all good examples.

I still believe that a growing and healthy economy is possible and could provide meaningful and productive employment for everyone who wanted to / could work.  Neither major party shares my views.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:38 | 4314160 Binko
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The problem is even bigger than that. Once we reach a permanent state where there is far more labor looking for work than there is demand for labor then even SKILLED labor will have their wages beaten down below a living wage. We are trending towards becoming a society where only government workers and various protected classes of professions actually earn a wage that can support a family.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 03:00 | 4314569 fiftyfive
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Amen brother..

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:59 | 4316004 SDShack
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It's called the New Feudal Order. Kings/Queens set the rules and run the system. Lords do their bidding from New Castle Fortresses with access to all the New Security Order (FBI, NSA, TSA, IRS, etc). The Serfs are kept controlled in their Potters Slums, eaking out a minimal barely subsistance wage, that is taxed by the Kings/Queens, while living in a rented shack from the Kings/Queens. The great unwashed masses are confined to Fema Trailer Parks and Tent Cities, or left to fend for themselves in the de-militarized inner cities, like Detroit. Plan accordingly. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:20 | 4316078 Rafferty
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Agreed, but such a society is insustainable.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:35 | 4316124 Kobe Beef
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That's the good part. It will end.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:48 | 4314479 prains
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$85 Billion a month  would buy a lot of drywall that needed finishing, just sayin.


where does all that money go each month anyway?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:34 | 4316120 Kobe Beef
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Stocks, Real Estate and Fine Art, apparently. Minus kickbacks to the pols, of course.

A better question is, where do these people live? Maybe a take a tour, see what our $85 billion a month bought them.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 15:31 | 4316324 PTR
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Scroll down a little to where Grant talks about real estate.  It's buying real estate and turning homes in to rental dividends for the hedge funds and big ticket investors.


70% of sales were all cash in Brooklyn...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:36 | 4313998 Spumoni
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Maybe you haven't noticed, but a great many people had children WHEN they had jobs. Duh.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:24 | 4313336 Yenbot
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Perhaps that low-skilled man should refrain from starting a family.

Yeah, sure. Future Earth needs more weak, skinny nerd scientists to survive the coming Ice Age and recreate Smog. The high skilled should have to survive a cage fight with the low skilled before reproducing.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:22 | 4313559 falconflight
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Who needs a man for anything, that's the societial progressive refrain today.  70% of black women and now over 30% of white women marry the government instead of a man. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:37 | 4316127 Kobe Beef
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In which case, the present iteration will end as soon as the oil needs changing.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:24 | 4313977 Josey Montana
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I'd give you a +1 but the green icon has no associated hotspot!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:26 | 4313338 Dr. Destructo
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Nevermind the "poor shouldn't have families" claptrap, why would ANYONE want to create a family in this climate? With the degradation of societal values, government becoming a totalitarian entity, and the destruction of the economy due to crony capitalism why bring a child in that environment? It sure as hell won't get better.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:00 | 4313469 dick cheneys ghost
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I agree with you but Mike Stivak said the same thing back in the 1970's..........

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:35 | 4313619 Dr. Destructo
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Are the circumstances the same today as it was back in the 70's?

You cannot fall forever -unless you're in space or refuse the Necromonger religion.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:22 | 4313968 Lednbrass
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Unfortunatley the Meathead didn't follow his own advice on the show and his counterparts of that generation rarely did either- millions of weak, pathetic, whining dorks just like him created millions of spoiled little brats.

That said, ease of life is exactly what has created so many useless, mindless two legged sheep.  Think of everyone you have known in your life that you truly respect- did they have it easy? Did they inherit alot of money and live a life of leisure without a care in the world, or did they have a damn tough time of it but never quit, never gave up, never stopped?

My experience leads me to believe that the worthiness and value of individuals is usually in inverse proportion to the level of hardship they have experienced and triumphed over.  Trust funds kids are almost always useless, vapid douchebags for life while people who have walked a hard road but kept standing are some of the best humans you will ever meet.

Bring on the hard times; maybe we'll finally get more people who don't completely suck.

Any sniveling, incapable Mike Stivik types out there should get your balls snipped and do everyone a favor- you should in fact not reproduce.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:42 | 4314022 Spumoni
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The harsher the land, the kinder the heart. War provides a context for peace. Sad state of our species that we must have stupidity in the broad strokes for anyone to recognize where intelligence provides a detail. Good words, Lednbrass.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:29 | 4314145 mumbo_jumbo
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"Did they inherit a lot of money and live a life of leisure without a care in the world"


you nailed it!!!  here in socal for the 20-30 cohort, i can not tell you how many people i know who are "caregivers" taking care of dad and mom until that fateful day when they get the million dollar house, it's everywhere here.   most friends i have with kids in their 20's are still taking care of them and i once remarked to a 20-something female friend that i have no idea what she should be doing to get a well paying job (the joke around here for the last 20 years was to get a state our county job since that is the ONLY way to get a decent wage with ANY benefits) and her reply was priceless.

"well Mumbo some of us have parents that will take care of US"  and there you have, the end of the USA as we knew it.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 00:11 | 4314256 Shizzmoney
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God bless you for writing this

Trust funds kids are almost always useless, vapid douchebags for life

I work with one.  My *god* is he insufferable and extremely aloof.


Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:42 | 4313654 CH1
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why would ANYONE want to create a family in this climate?

Because life is the imperative, and because children are new lives. 

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:21 | 4313777 The Gooch
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THey're also the greatest adventure and a helluva lot of fun when you can block out the BS.


Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:05 | 4313904 The Gooch
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<---- Junker has no soul

<---- Junker has no sperm count

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:26 | 4313727 savedbyfreethought
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Imagine a country where every couple can only have two children or more if some other couples choose not to have as many as they could.

Upon the birth of the child he/she is given a pot of land large enough for him to live and farm on by the state as required by law and it's illegal for anyone to buy or sell the land of that nature.

The average child goes out to work with his father and learn his trade by his side, let it be agriculture or machinery.  Typically in the afternoon he receives eduation at home, he will be taught about subjects like philosophy, maths, literature and history. There is no state controlled compulsory education or exams. Qualification is not needed, a person only needs to learn how to do his trade properly as recognised by this neighbours.

Every family have enough natural resources to produce the materials to support themselves with the help of 21st century technology. Technological advances allow greater automation thus more free time for the residents to develop new ideas, with their basic survival taken care for, they begin to engage in manufacturing and start to trade among themselves.

Improvment of productivity is not achieved at the expense of independence (specialisation) but purely by technological advancement. No service or product necessary is purchased from a foreign country as they know that that little bit of convenience comes at the cost of loss of sercurity.They consciously only buy from each other to keep their wealth and jobs among themselves because they know if they don't they will all end up trapped in slavery by foreign entities.

It's an economy where no big profit can be ever be made because no one is taken advantage of thus there are no big cooperations around. Equally there is no social  mobility because no one would need any social mobility in the firs place. There is no unemployment/ homelessness because no one's live depends on working for anyone apart from himself.

A man born there does not have competition as the central theme of his life, instead he spends most of his leisure thinking how to make his trade (primarily agriculture) more efficient as to make his work easier. Living a good life is the purpose.  Upon his death he will pass on his land and weapons to his children as they will do so to their own children.

Most people say this is pure idealism but the thing is if people live for anything other than ideals then the only outcome is that they will all end up living in hell that is of their own making. Maybe the perfect world can only exist in a man's imagination because his reality will forever be shaped by his inferiorities. [it's time to wake up and be a slave again.]

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 06:27 | 4314681 r3phl0x
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A man born there does not have competition as the central theme of his life

And that's what makes it untenable. The female in every sexual species will always encourage male competition to help identify and select the best mate. Social systems designed against this Nature - such as communism - will always fail - so we are probably stuck with something like winner-take-all crony capitalism, under the faux guise of democracy.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:09 | 4313916 samsara
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I guess young the Japanese have figured that out eh?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 02:12 | 4314521 buyingsterling
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"why would ANYONE want to create a family in this climate? "

Because a loving family is an end in itself. Most familes find a way to get by (and they'd find a way to get by without government help, especially if they had less government interference).

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:10 | 4316564 PTR
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(Yeah, I know, practical abilities come into play, but you said "Why?")

And for what it's worth, I asked that of a friend a decade ago, and he replied to the effect that you do the best that you can and that you can't predict the future (like Wendell Berry says.)  He's got 2 kids and has been able to enjoy his life with them, warts and all, since.


Love.  Without it, those things you mention wins.  The day we cease to laugh, we as a species are truly fucked.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:25 | 4313341 krispkritter
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Define 'low-skilled'. By today's standards; a guy who can fix a diesel engine, make furniture from a tree trunk, drill a well, or build you a house, and so on.  50+ years ago, these were all skilled professions. Anyone who thinks banking, finance, and politicians are 'highly-skilled' are f'ing retarded.  I never met a diesel mechanic who bilked his customers out of $1.6 billion dollars...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:33 | 4313356 Dr. Destructo
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What some would consider 'low-skilled' labor fail to understand the skill behind filling quotas, multitasking, and operating machinery. However one can sit on his/her ass, do 1 hour of work (or who you know and blow in the politician's case, but in every job you gotta be a policitian come to think of it), and make a killing.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:34 | 4313808 Offthebeach
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In the late 60's I'd accompany my father to the building dept to get a building permit for a then pretty nice house. He'd have hand drawn but then blown up photocopied plot plans, set backs, elevations and a perc test. In and out and approved in 30 minutes, or less. Cost $25.
That would include foundation, frame, electrical, plumb and final. Insulation was not required then.
Now you need, for the same house and lot lawyer, architect, environmental, some times tree count. It can take a year, or more. You need plans for everything. The houses are way overbuilt and over cost. Inspections and faults are money generators and job guarantees for inspectors. At their leasure. Whenever.

You used to make an OK to good living providing working people-middle class nice affordible houses that would last decades with NO maintenance at all. Now you hope for rich yuppies.

The town, manufacturers, lawyers, enviros, architects have all gamed and rent seeked the cash to them at the expense of the worker and customer.

I won't mentioned work comp, insurance etc.

I can remember reading about the quality decline over time of Roman construction as the empire decayed. I have seen it here in my life time. For example, real old knocked up mulit generation furniture was common. Cabinets were real wood or cab grade ply. Now mdf, particle board, photo finish thats failing junk the minute it goes up.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 02:37 | 4314543 401K of Dooom
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Don't forget the Endangered Species Act or EEO regulations.  Oh and have you noticed that property values go up no matter what the state of the neighborhood is in?  I have a friend whose childhood home is located in a drug zone in Lowell, MA. and it is appraised in the mid to high six figures.  Thank you Pukeachusetts!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:38 | 4313381 Anusocracy
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Low skilled = someone who survives by grifting or stealing rather than producing something of value.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:41 | 4313395 krispkritter
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There lie bankers, financiers, and politicians...?  I mean, if value is something other than physical goods?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:55 | 4313426 The Gooch
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Or even someone resourceful enough to do all of the above. Minus bilking. I mean
"banking". I mean "governing". I mean .308 fodder when SHTF.


Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:07 | 4313908 samsara
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"Thru this land I traveled, I met some funny men

Some will rob you with a sixgun, and some with a fountain pen.

Thru this land you'll ramble, and thru this land you'll roam,

but you will never see an outlaw, kick a family from their home..."

"Pretty Boy Floyd"    - W.G.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:45 | 4314031 Spumoni
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My how times have changed! Seems kicking folks from their homes is the primary fun for outlaws these days.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:40 | 4313391 Spungo
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I'm too low skilled to figure out condoms or bith control pills

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:47 | 4313414 lordbyroniv
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Kunstler has no idea what the Tea Party is





Almost intentionally

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:23 | 4313562 Blame Crash
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And the dumb fuck voted for Obama twice. Fuck him!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:39 | 4313636 vulcanraven
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Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:51 | 4313683 Ignatius
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Which begs the question 'why is Kuntsler writing?' 

He should consider more reading and thinking instead.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:58 | 4314066 tunnelvizn
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This missive is more about reflections from a unapologetic Lefty as to where they went wrong .  Perhaps a "thinking out loud" piece - hoping to get some feedback on their failed "success" .  Critical thinking doesnt' seem to be his strong suit !

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 02:40 | 4314544 401K of Dooom
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Nooooo, make him sign up for a platinum health care plan on his state exchange.  then have him go to work for said state exchange and help others get on to Obamacare.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:28 | 4313593 ThroxxOfVron
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OK, lordbyroniv; WHAT exactly IS the 'Tea Party'?

I was active on Ticker Forum during what might in retrospect come to be regrarded as the gestation period for at least one faction thereof and I can't conclude decisively what it is or stands for...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:17 | 4313946 samsara
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That's the great things about labels,  They are fucking meaningless.  I share your sentiments about the tea party for example and saw the same thing.  It's like we were under the original tent, but some one(s) picked it up and put it over themselves....

Like many things,  "It ain't what it was"

I guess we better be careful of labels eh?,  Lest we may find out someone(s) have moved the damn tent again.

Don't join a group that would have you for a member and

Don't follow leaders, and pay your parking meters...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:42 | 4314175 PoliticalRefuge...
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Once an idea becomes a group it usually becomes unrecognizable as well.

Independent thought is just that- independent.

Once the simplicity of an idea was lost in translation it became a political football free game for both sides to attack for different reasoning; in truth the greatest impediment to free thinking individuals ever regaining our Constitutional guarantees is the Trojan horse Republican wing of the Ruling Class, they are impossible to reason with and irrationally drawn to the same flame as the suicidal Democrat wing.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:20 | 4313963 Buckaroo Banzai
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When the Tea Party got hijacked by elements of the Republican Party it lost its coherence. And that Mormon twat Romney did a number on it too.

Still struggling to recover from those insults.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 00:14 | 4314250 lordbyroniv
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You missed the point entirely ThroxxOfVron  !!!!!!!  Did you read the piece?


It is not up to me to define what the Tea Party is.  All I can tell you is that the below quote in the article is  NOT the Tea Party and is a lame Straw Man.



As for the rebellious conservative Tea Party faction, it is hard for me to square their umbrage at Big Government with their avidity for foreign wars (and support for the military-industrial rackets behind them), their failure to oppose the security-state activities of the NSA (while branding whistleblower Snowden “a traitor”), their love of corporate commercial tyranny a la Wal-Mart, their devotion to economically suicidal suburban sprawl, their zeal to control the social and sexual conduct of their fellow citizens, and their efforts to impose religion in civic affairs — all of which is to ask, what do they mean when they shout about “liberty?”"

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 04:12 | 4314608 Ghordius
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then take this straw man apart, instead of just crying about it. as a foreigner, I find it very confusing, this "straw man allergy" in a blog

take the "devotion for the suburban sprawl", for example. my impression, too. why? crickets?

fact is you can read daily ZH comments against cities in general - and the broader context is that the US is urbanizing at a faster pace than Europe, and has overtaken the old continent

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:03 | 4314816 lordbyroniv
Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:53 | 4313855 The Gooch
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I went to two Tea Party meetings last year. 

One was interesting and I met some good people.

The other, I dropped the nominal age by 240 years and forgot to wear my flag shirt.

I was also cut off by the SALEM radio jockey when I spoke of Libertarian principle. (minus Libertarian partisanship)

No lie. I sat at a table for seven only accompanied by somebody who could have passed for a homeless cousin of Duck Dynasty . He was the smartest guy in the fucking room and

NOBODY acknowleged him. 

Got M.I.C.?



Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:12 | 4313928 Tristan Ludlow
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He equates NeoCons to TEA party.  What an ass.  Makes comments about which he knows absolutely nothing.  No wonder he voted for Obama twice.  Bet he is going to vote for Hillary too!!  Moron.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:46 | 4314032 Spumoni
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Ha. neither does the Tea Party. ted Cruz? Puhleeeze. No Canucks for US Prez, plez.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 08:04 | 4314743 Cloud9.5
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He does seem to have a rabid hatred of the guns and bibles crowd.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:08 | 4314089 mumbo_jumbo
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so we're all gonna be doctors, lawyers, bankers and accountants?  an economy based on no low skill jobs is a welfare economy, companies like walmart have a taxpayer subsidy where they can pay a very low wage while the rest of what is needed to survive is picked up by the USA taxpayer.


what we've had for the last 30 years of lower income isn't working, so you suggest more of the same?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 07:18 | 4314714 negative rates
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Don't know where it comes from, but you have to carry on the name. Me, I ran from mine.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:09 | 4313289 NotApplicable
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Wait, I skimmed through all of this worthless shit only to discover that the punchline "is for members only!"

What a fucking scumbag.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:05 | 4313470 Fíréan
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deleted as duplicated

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:00 | 4313472 Fíréan
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@Not Applicable.

"Wait, I skimmed through all of this worthless shit only to discover that the punchline "is for members only!"

300 bucks a years too !     Write your own ending, it's way more profitable and beneficial to yourself and yours.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:03 | 4313893 Serfs Up
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Yeah!  Everything should be free!!

And given to me when I want it!!!    

Somebody call me a Whaaaammmbulance!


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:48 | 4314476 Rukeysers Ghost
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Yeah!  Everything should be free!!


Things of value and quality should cost money. Some irrelevant, navel gazing Liberals masturbatory exercise that generates meaningless pablum, like this piece, should offer a free doughnut for the time wasted reading it.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:09 | 4313290 XitSam
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"... and I voted for him [Obama], twice ..."

Stopped reading right there. 

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:14 | 4313312 slickrock
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Beat me to it ...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:19 | 4313327 krispkritter
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Proves you can double-down on stupid.  It does not prove you won't do it again. Stop voting, stupid...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:44 | 4313403 Emergency Ward
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Fuck, even George Bush knew that fool him once, shame on me and fool him twice, the squirrel jumped up a tree.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:30 | 4313601 new game
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kunstler acts like the solution, but like any politician, and given the chance he would control you like a green freak on straight shot juiced vitamix steroids. dense packed cubes for you. garden box out the grided window-don't jump out, be happy, wal, bike and skip to the town hall meeting to pull the wagon to the veggie plot...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:36 | 4313999 The Gooch
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This article was rhetorical crap.

We need moar common-core crossword puzzles.

Woards and shit.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:45 | 4313400 JustObserving
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Seventy percent of American Jews voted for Barack Obama. The result is in line with the 74 percent support he received in 2008.

So it can be expected that Kunstler voted for  Obama twice.

Though I have major disagreements with Kunstler on 9/11 (he says, I regard the 9/11 conspiracy theories as a fantasy and a distraction from the real problems we face), he is a superb writer.  As if the official government 9/11 conspiracy theory is not the weirdest theory of them all.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:36 | 4313626 new game
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he is a superb writer-yes for sure, but so what. i can't write for shit. so he is right and smarter than I?

just like the harvard grads- so fucking smart. princeton professors? ok, they got my respect-fuck yeh!

they may articulate their beliefs  superb, but that doesn't preclude common sense...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:59 | 4313880 samsara
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Not putting words in JustObserving's mouth, but I think he means that he agrees with him on a few subjects and disagrees with him on others. It's easy to see someone elses blind spots sometimes, but much harder to see them in ourselves. 

Kinda like any two people.  

I do agree with him on tatoos, and  guys wearlng pants around their knees for example... and   His caustic put downs of those are much better than I could ever write.  But like JustObserving I very much disagree withhim on 911 and other "Conspiracies"

So like any other writer, you read it and take and weigh what they say,  understand why you agree with them on some points and understand why you disagree with them on others. 

For instance,  I have learned alot by reading Martin Armstrong on many subjects but Like my take on Kunstler, I really, really disagree with him on others.

If one "Stops Reading as soon as I read..."  then sometimes they may not get to the part that maybe just maybe might cause them to say "Hmm Never thought of it that way,  I'll have to think on that...."

But that takes quite a bit of rational fortitude sometimes.

But he can turn a phrase and write some delicious doomer porn sometimes....  




Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:06 | 4313907 americanreality
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I'm sure you can run as fast as Usain Bolt, throw punches better than Mike Tyson, swim faster than Michael Phelps, etc..  These guys just got lucky to be where they are. 

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:48 | 4314041 Spumoni
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Yeah, I s'pose you voted for Bush? Palin? McCain, that military disgrace? The joke is that anyone believes anything said by any politician at all from anywhere anymore...which I'm pretty sure is the point of this article, douchebag.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:13 | 4318122 XitSam
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You talking to me? Voted libertarian. I hate McCain and he's my senator.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:10 | 4313292 lakecity55
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I am only voting because I vote Libertarian.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:14 | 4313309 Rainman
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I am only voting because I vote for partisan atheism.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:25 | 4313343 NotApplicable
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I will only ever vote NOTA.

You're not the boss of me!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:38 | 4313634 ThroxxOfVron
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I'm neither voting or respecting the will of those who have or do or will vote.

-Your vote is amongst yourselves and applies only to those who vote and accept the reported outcome as legitimate.

-I do not recognize the legitimacy of contracts to which I am not a party; -no matter Who or How Many vote upon said contract.



Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:40 | 4313388 Dr. Destructo
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I stopped voting during the '08 election. I'll vote whenever politicians measure performance by service to the people instead of campaign donations and selling out.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:40 | 4313820 samsara
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You voted in 2000 and 2004? You mean back when we didn't rigging and black boxes and "Really had a Choice"?


Kunstler's "I voted for him twice" is just as criminal and at the same time pathetic as saying "I voted for Bush Twice"

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:50 | 4313849 Greenskeeper_Carl
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no shit. I really enjoy this guys writing style and some of his rants, but " i voted for this guy twice" seriously? you lost all right to complain. you saw what happened after 4 years, then vote for the same shit again, and then complain about it as if maybe that whole hope and change thing would materialize after being like a 3rd bush term on steriods for obamas first term. go fuck yourself. what a douche bag. thats like junk punching yourself, then after the pain wears off, junk punching yourself again while being mad at your fist for making your balls hurt. fuck him, im done

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:13 | 4313932 americanreality
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It seems like he's caught on to the game, fuck him for getting conned by Obama after the Bush disaster right?  We are all finding reality at our own pace.  Why rip the guy when he says he has come to see the B.S.? This is exactly what he is writing about.  Kunstler isn't your enemy.  He gets it. He's man enough to admit the mistake.  

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:06 | 4314086 tunnelvizn
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Kunstler really doesn't get it .  All he feels is emptyness - the Party led them into the woods and left them there . 


Now where was home ?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 00:21 | 4314287 StychoKiller
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You do know that Obamatron's "opponent" was the Romneylan, yes?

(Rich, foolish and wearing 'magick' underwear is no way to go through life...)

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:25 | 4314441 Dr. Destructo
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What makes you think I voted in 2000? I was a freshman in high school at the time. As for 2004, I voted for the Wheel of Misfortune because I figured it gave me more control.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:55 | 4314054 Spumoni
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And what is that? Libertarianism sounds nice as a word, but is nothing more than neoliberal hogwash. There is not one single instance in all of human history of a libertarian state. Never has been, not likely to ever be. In the absence of precedent, tradition, history, any new idea with such a flawed philosophy is doomed to do nothing but change its coat when it gains power - and reduce itself to the lowest common denominator of whatever was in power before itself. World fucking political history 101. Get a fucking agenda or shut the fuck up about libertardianism. You cannot run a country by spending your time blaming everyone else for your own stupidity. Be nice if the present gang, from the WH to the Capitol, would wrap their idiot minds around that. But nothing in the current political landscape remotely suggests that we are going to have an upswing in enlightened governance for a long time.

History will paint the current decades as the low point of human political expression.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:25 | 4314064 akak
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(Do I bother responding to the idiot and asswipe, or just ignore? 
Hmmmmm .....)


PS: I always hated spumoni.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:34 | 4314154 Spumoni
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Thanks dickwipe. I love you too. Maybe what you need is a big cannoli...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:46 | 4314185 akak
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Any time dickcheese!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 00:54 | 4314368 Spumoni
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Do you like your cannoi with white cum or chocolate?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 00:39 | 4314333 StychoKiller
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So, I guess that you're in favor of doing the same thing (Decepticrat/Republicon voting) over and over and over...?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 00:58 | 4314377 Spumoni
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Damned right I'm in favor of voting - trouble is finding ANYONE worth voting for. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 00:57 | 4314374 Spumoni
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Junk all you want, but the truth is evident. Look what happened to Obummer.LCD of all time, exactly like the hogshit asswipe that preceeded him, who was even worse than the scum before him, who made Reagan look like just so much childplay. And HE was an improvement on everything before him back to the last assassinee!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:12 | 4314411 acetinker
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Maybe you're overlooking the Confederate States of America?  True, it did not last long, and its detractors (the Hamiltonians aka; Banksters) will decry slavery and such, but this was an honest attempt at libertarianism.  The Gadsden flag was not invented yesterday, you know.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:59 | 4317930 Spumoni
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I have the greatest respect for General RE Lee as did General Grant. Both were West Pointers, though Lee was some years ahead of Grant. Jefferson Davis, on the other hand, was indistinguishable from any of the large population of other idiots who have run countries into the ground.

Things always start out grand, but end up corrupt. Our politics only reflect our most base behaviors. When those become better, so will our governments.

So far as it goes, the CSA never had the true run of governance, as it was embroiled in war from its birth to its death. Even if it had, its likely that the Charleston crowd would have screwed it up, too. They started the war, dragged in the rest of the South, and engaged in violent oppression against any who disagreed with their agenda. I hope that the Libertarian agenda, if it ever does develop, can do a little better than that.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:58 | 4314501 Rukeysers Ghost
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I am only voting because I vote Straight Talking American Government Party (STAG)





Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:11 | 4313294 krispkritter
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I can't handle this shit anymore; I passed a Prius today with a 'Veterans for Obama' bumper sticker.  I wanted to shake his hand and then run him off the road...Cog Dis! Where's the whiskey dammit!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:12 | 4313298 NotApplicable
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You've got the order reversed. Run him off of the road, FIRST!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:51 | 4313417 Dr. Destructo
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That veteran probably appreciates what Obama is doing:

*Militarizing the police force

*Expanding surveillance on civilians

*Increasing extrajudicial killings using drones

*Funding the MIC like there's no tomorrow

*Installing proxy government after proxy government

*Attempting to get us into another war with Syria and Iran

*Considering veterans as potential terrorists

Though as a veteran I despite Obama for doing all of the above and more.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:17 | 4313527 falconflight
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More likely the vet was either black or a homosexual.  Some of the Congressional Districts where huge Army Infantry (black) populations resided, voted for Obama, twice. 

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:52 | 4314037 Lednbrass
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The Army Infantry is black???

Bwahahahahahahaha... you watch too much fucking television.

2010 DoD report above. In Section II Active component Figure 10 you can see that a little under  15% of all new military personnel in the last 10 years or so are black (it jumped when Obama took office).

Now look at Appendix B Active Component to see who does what- Table B-21 shows percentages according to job description and race (page 41). Just 12.5% of blacks in the Army are Infantry while 28.4% are administrators and 19.2% supply, whereas31% of whites in the army are infantry but only 8.6% are adminstrators and 13.2% supply. The percentages in the Marines are pretty much the same.

It is a complete myth not related to reality that blacks are disproportionately represented among actual combat soldiers, it's quite the opposite.  The are disproportionately represented among the bureaucrats and box stackers, but are actually low among combat troops proportionate to their percentage of those military services.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 01:04 | 4314393 PoliticalRefuge...
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You got that right, I was spending quality time in VN east of the rockpile in 68 and there wasn't over ten to fifteen percent brothers in any line company. the bush everyone bleeds green and acts polite but back in the rear it was similar to today- it's in the dna.

..Madness does not always howl. Sometimes, it is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying, "Hey, is there room in your head for one more?-

maybe there's hope but you couldn't prove it by me.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:50 | 4313679 Cognitive Dissonance
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You rang?

From the sublime to superbly stupid at twice the speed of light.

<Stay tuned folks. Much more where that stupidity came from.>

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:08 | 4313915 acetinker
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We may be neighbors.  Saw the same fkn thing a week ago. *Shakes head*

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:57 | 4314062 Spumoni
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Cog dis, alright. Imagine that someone doesn't see the world through your narrow little blinders. How 'bout he runs your ungracious backside off the road instead?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:14 | 4313297 Blazed
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Don't forget to vote. 

sarc on/off

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:17 | 4313320 maskone909
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the only way we win is by  sticking together!  The Media has  TRIED to disenfranchize, isolate, and create animosity between race relations in America.  But people are waking up.  That knockout game shit is just a bunch of punk ass kids with misdirected anger and too much time on their hands.  The MSM has sensationalized it, much like they did on the Conan segment that had shown the MSM rationalizing debt binging on Xmas.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:41 | 4313347 Blazed
Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:20 | 4313328 BULLSHITARTIST

You get what you deserve.....anybody that would vote for the scumbag Obozo cocksucker after his first term. So piss off CUNTSTLER!!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:26 | 4313346 NotApplicable
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You get what you deserve.....anybody that would vote.


Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:20 | 4313330 logicalman
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If voting changed anything, it would be illegal.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:29 | 4313354 krispkritter
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If it was illegal to vote or you simply could not register, if you; received any money, gratuity, via grant, contract, employment, or subsidy from the US Gov't, would that make a dent?  Would be a hell of an experiment I think? Or no?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:21 | 4313546 overexposed
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Been proposing that myself for years, and used to think it would help.  The populace is so dumbed down these days, though, I'm honestly not sure this is fixable any more.

Burn, baby, burn!

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:22 | 4313333 Al Huxley
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Kunstler seems to be getting an inordinate amount of air-time here lately...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:31 | 4313607 Blame Crash
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"Pay for Play" perhaps? Got to pay the bills somehow.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:24 | 4313339 max2205
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Tyler, btw, this guy had some tinfoil and not nice things to say about your readership...fuck him

I read your comments about us on slope of hope but that seemed in jest

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:30 | 4313357 Blues Traveler
Blues Traveler's picture all of them...."shooting the finger to the law while grabbing my balls"

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:02 | 4313351 ebworthen
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"Headin' off to Eden...yea Brother..."

Yup, those 60's hippies were going to change everything.

Then they wound up in the corridors of power or the cubicles of pain.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:29 | 4313355 TheFreeLance
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Uh, no.

No uproar is coming. It cannot. Not so long as the Red/Blue duopoly is intact.

Duck Dynasty flap (!!)? Insipid? Yes. Raised a TON of money for the duopoly? Yep. Classic distraction, misdirect issue. Wake up.

Look at Rand Paul, marketed as THE anti-status quo figure in the current political game. Is he moving to impeach FISC judges who violated their oaths? No. Is he pressing DOJ to appoint a special counsel to RICO gov't officials in light of the Snowden docs? Nope. Is he merely trying to defund federal spy state ops -- DEA, FBI, DHS, etc -- in Kentucky? Ha! Thems good jerbs.

No, he's building a mailing list via a "class action" suit vs. the NSA.  Gotta admire his balls as you weep at your fellow citizens' stupidity.

2014 is shaping up as another classic bleed off election by the duopoly. The GOP will strive like hell to take the Senate and may or may not. Please give generously. But no real policy changes will result. Then 2016 will bring a match up between HRC and a neo-con to be named later. The winner will not change policy either. The perma-state rolls on, not deaf to roars, or even immune. But with a firm pimp hand on the gag.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:51 | 4313432 Savyindallas
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I like rand Paul  - the book on Rand is still out  - is he a shrewd politician with real, true ideological beliefs-one of us? Or is he a sold out pawn of the Establishment being used to manipulate and preempt  the opposition? Until I am convinced otherwise, I will bet (and hope) that he is the real deal. Only time will tell.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 22:17 | 4313954 americanreality
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HAH!  You sound just like a 2008 Obama voter.  Its different this time!  

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:32 | 4313361 JustObserving
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What American Poiltics that you talk about? Do you have any real politics in a fascist, police state?  

The NSA runs this country by controlling the White House, Congress and the Judiciary. And by illegally spying on everyone.

JFK said:  "want to splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."

Instead on November 22, 1963, his brains were scattered on the trunk of his presidential limousine as Jackie valiantly tried to collect them.  That was also the shattering of American democracy as the spooks took over.  Yes, Virginia, that shot came from the grassy knoll.  And since then reality has been twisted to fit the agenda of the corrupt killers and the warmongers.


Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:46 | 4313409 Savyindallas
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But what you don't address is  -"who controls the CIA?" Are they just not one of several intelligence organizations accountable to another power?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:13 | 4313509 JustObserving
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You have to the elite of the elite to know who controls the US of A.  I can only suspect but I have no proof.  

If you ever get close to the truth, your life is in danger.  I suspect William Egan Colby knew who controlled everything from his lifetime in intelligence culminating as CIA director and then had his fatal boating accident.

One must note that in consonance with his long-held liberal views, Colby became a supporter of the nuclear freeze and of reductions in military spending after retiring from the CIA.

What you do have to know is that reality is distorted in a fascist, police state. Question everything in a distorted reality field if you want to know the truth.

 "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."  Karl Rove

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:41 | 4314170 Spanky
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Short answer? Wall Street via the CFR as a consensus and coordination mechanism.

Long answer? Dr. Carroll Quigley and Dr. Thomas H. Dye, a historian and sociologist respectively.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:32 | 4313363 moonshadow
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you voted for him TWICE and still write this article without apologizing to the "trashed millions of households"??! ok ok yes you had lots of company but you wrote an article here that shows evidence that these things were happening in 2009! WHY did you vote for him Again? unless you are black and just couldnt help tie his skin color in with his candidacy somehow and hope that he succeeds against all evidence to the contrary because you did not want the first black president to be seen as a failure. i think a lot of this country's black voters viewed it that way. his policies didnt matter- it was his skin color! well guess what black america- learn a lesson here- its the candidates Policies and Experience and Competency and prior Reputation that matters-NOT his or her's skin color! IF EVERYONE had voted with those things foremost in mind, Obama would Never have made it to the oval office.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:44 | 4313401 I Write Code
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We should be glad he stopped at twice, a lot of Obama supporters probably voted for him hundreds of times.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:52 | 4313436 krispkritter
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And those were just the dead ones...

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:35 | 4313368 ifishivote
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41% of babies born in this country are to unwed mothers. In 1980 that number was only 18%.

This is exactly what Liberals want.

It wouldnt surprise me if 99% of those unwed mothers are on some form of Gov't free money plan. Goodbye America.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:42 | 4313652 samsara
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Can we stop with the ambiguious labels like "Liberals" and such.

Everyone has a multitude of opinions on the whole panorama of topics. If a hundred "Conservative" or "Liberal" or "Libetarians" were to be asked a thousand questions on a range of topics, The scattershot graph would have some broad correlations, but at the same time be nearly worthless on an individual basis.

I bet if 10 people who would say they are "Liberal" or 10 that said they were "Conservative" would be utterly opposed to each other with 100 questions.

These labels are being picked up to be used to separate and divide us all.

They are the "New" Republican/Democrat divide and conquer weapons to be used on us all.

"There's so much good in the worst of us,
and so much bad in the best of us,
that it's hard to tell which of us
should reform the rest of us."

Just a thought.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 21:29 | 4313789 Imminent Crucible
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I don't think you got that verse quite right.  I think it goes:


"There's so much bad in the worst of us,

and so much suck in the best of us,

that it's hard to see how Lord Kunstler

can distinguish himself from the rest of us."

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 23:09 | 4314094 Spumoni
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Pretty clear you haven't met many liberals. Its a good thing there's such a thing as oversimplification, isn't it? Otherwise, stupidheads like you would have nothing to say. Why not talk about WHY so many babies are born out of wedlock? Nothiing to do with the hyper-conservative judicial system that systematically divides and destroys families, fathers especially. Nothing to do with the conservative , er..."pro-life" bullshitting murderers who work so hard to outlaw abortion and provide nothing for the millions of children already here who do without so much as a decent diet.

If it weren't for liberals, my friend, your kind would have self-immolated hundreds of years ago. Too bad we ever applied the same laws when your lot were on trial that we did for everyone else. Wasted breath. And shitheads like you claim to defend the Constitution? Fuck you conservatives, right up your tight little assholes. YOU got us into this mess. SO deep that nobody is gonna get us out. SO STFU and do something about it.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 03:09 | 4314576 Serenity Now
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The Left has killed hundreds of millions of people and fetuses in the 20th and 21st centuries.  

You are completely upside-down, friend.  I encourage you to listen to Dennis Prager or at least read some of his colums at


Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:36 | 4313372 joego1
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He might be the one of the first to be tarred and feathered in the new era of confusing politics to come. I think one can be excused for the first hope and change lie but twice?

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:42 | 4313397 I Write Code
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while his tragic failure to reestablish the rule of law in banking from the get-go in 2009 probably amounts to impeachable malfeasance.

Amen brother.  That is, if the same banksters didn't already own the impeachers.

The millennial generation must feel horribly swindled by it.

Pajamaboy sits in his basement sipping hot chocolate.

Obama’s Department of Justice is home to more zombies than the Grand Cemetery of Port-Au-Prince.


Wed, 01/08/2014 - 20:20 | 4313543 infinity8
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LOl - I just this morning referred to one neighbor as "Mr. Pajamapants", to another neighbor, who knew exactly to whom I was referring and I thought he was going to "tinkle" himself.

Wed, 01/08/2014 - 19:52 | 4313435 y3maxx
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Good article, the truth and facts are out there.

What happens now?

Gen X/Y & millenials cannot publicly protest

Who upsets the apple cart first?

Best answer.....everyone desiring change


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