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"Don't Flush Your Toilets" Mayor Says As Ohio Water Supply Freezes; Niagara Falls Frozen

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The nation may be slowly thawing from its deep freeze "polar vortex", but that is no comfort for tens of thousands of Ohians, whose water supply has literally frozen in the past day after the valves at the Avon Lake Municipal Utility plant were planted in ice, dramatically lowering the supply of water. NBC reports that "tens of thousands of customers in several counties in Ohio are facing a dramatic water shortage after the intake valves at a key plant that draws water from Lake Erie apparently froze amid the wild winter weather." As a result, the mayor of Avon had a modest proposal as a response to the caticestrophy: don't flush your toilets. At least there is toilet paper, which is more than Venezuela, and its 480% returning in 2013 stock market can say.

From NBC:

Officials at Avon Lake Municipal Utilities west of Cleveland said Wednesday that the valves at the plant are caked in ice. Although they are still able to draw water, the rate is below typical demands — which means several surrounding cities could be hit by a veritable drought.


In a message on the city of Avon's official website, officials called on residents to hold off on doing anything that uses a lot of water.


Avon Mayor Bryan Jensen sent out an emergency messages to locals asking them to hold off on laundry, baths and showers, according to


"We even ask people to refrain from flushing toilets as often as they used to until this can be resolved," Jensen said.


The plant website said it provides water to over 200,000 people living in a 680-square-mile area made up of seven counties — including Lorain, Cuyahoga, Medina, Erie, Huron, Ashland and Wayne.

And in other polar vortex news, the Niagara Falls has frozen.


The polar vortex which affected large swathes of the US is expected to calm off this weekend (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

The polar vortex which affected large swathes of the US is expected to calm off this weekend (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)


The Rainbow Bridge connects the US side of Niagara Falls to the Canadian side (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

The Rainbow Bridge connects the US side of Niagara Falls to the Canadian side (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)


The U.S. side of the Niagara Falls is pictured in Ontario, January 8, 2014.

Over 20million people visit Niagara each year (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)


Ice chunks and water flow over the falls Niagara Falls, Ontario, January 8, 2014. The frigid air and "polar vortex" that affected about 240 million people in the United States and southern Canada will depart during the second half of this week, and a far-reaching January thaw will begin, according to   REUTERS/Aaron Harris (CANADA - Tags: ENVIRONMENT TRAVEL)

Ice chunks flow over the Niagara into its gorge (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)


Visitors take pictures overlooking the falls in Niagara Falls, Ontario, January 8, 2014. The frigid air and "polar vortex" that affected about 240 million people in the United States and southern Canada will depart during the second half of this week, and a far-reaching January thaw will begin, according to   REUTERS/Aaron Harris (CANADA - Tags: ENVIRONMENT TRAVEL)

Visitors brave the cold to take a look at the beautiful sight (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)



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Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:01 | 4314814 dick cheneys ghost
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colder than a mother in law's kiss..........


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:04 | 4314820 saltedGold
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colder than a whore's heart...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:11 | 4314829 MillionDollarBonus_
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Each and every one of us is to blame for this. Climate scientists have warned us about this eventuality for over a decade, but none of us listened. The Copenhagen climate bill failed to pass, our government still hasn't passed a universal tax on carbon emissions, and the UN still hasn't tackled the rising problem of overpopulation in any meaningful way. Green startups still struggle to get financing from the selfish and profit-crazy VCs in Silicon Valley. Electric cars are still left out with recharging stations only available in a few sparse locations.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:11 | 4314834 Charles Nelson ...
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Like all of MDB's posts.... if its yellow let it mellow, if its brown flush it down.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:25 | 4314879 negative rates
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You didn't just get arrested for making waste in public, we did that.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:26 | 4315032 WarriorClass
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Since when did Ohioans flush their toilets?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:33 | 4315064 Chuck Norris
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I'll worry about Global Warming Climate Change Global Cooling just as soon as I'm done Bigfoot proofing my house.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:46 | 4315129 Big Slick
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In the land of ZH Newbies, Million Dollar Bonus is KING!!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:07 | 4315208 kaiserhoff
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Someone in Ohio has to own a blow torch.

One damn valve?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:40 | 4316136 Jack Napier
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I'll be the first to step up and make the necessary sacrifices. MDB, please put on this headdress and enjoy your last hearty meal before meeting the volcano god.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:37 | 4315589 Nacho.Libre
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Bigfoot proofing your house isn't the worst idea I've seen.  It's a strange world we live in when Bigfoot is more real that all the financial indicies and reports we see on a daily basis.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:14 | 4315229 Papasmurf
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I didn't know outhouses flushed.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:37 | 4315912 Nigh Eve
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Sh*t just got real !

When the sh*t hits the dam,it will be...{fill in the blank}.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:36 | 4316716 In Fed We Trust
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Where is Bill Gates and his waterless toleit when you need um the most?


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:59 | 4315714 A Nanny Moose
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polishing a turdsicle...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:12 | 4314837 dick cheneys ghost
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Save the planet-----Hang a bankster


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:12 | 4314838 Took Red Pill
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As George Carlin said we don't need to save the planet. The planet will do just fine when we're gone.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:20 | 4314859 MillionDollarBonus_
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Tell that to you children. Tell them that you were too selfish to give up hot baths and long commutes and that your personal comfort was worth the destruction of countless natural habitats and many third world countries all over the world.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:29 | 4314892 negative rates
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Oh yea, you and yours are going to do just fine without electricty for 90 days, I can just see it coming.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:30 | 4314899 Anglo Hondo
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MDB, ya gotta stop listening to Algore.  It's bad for your health.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:03 | 4315201 Last of the Mid...
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MDB is Al Gore!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:53 | 4315381 asteroids
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Hey MDB, how was your steak last night? I hope you took your meds as well. Goota offset the hookers and blow somehow eh?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:30 | 4314901 LawsofPhysics
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Most progressives/liberals I know are far too selfish to actually have any children, that aside, the planet warms, the planet cools, species come and go...

same as it ever was.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:51 | 4315374 BKbroiler
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and what's so great about having children?  Long DINK households..

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:54 | 4315385 EastCoast90
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Having children is overrated.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:55 | 4315395 BKbroiler
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and bad for the planet.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:50 | 4315660 TBT or not TBT
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But good for entitlement and pension systems solvency.   And civilisations' continuity.   Take a look at the rot in places that have had low birth rates for enough decades, and ask yourself whether DINK households, or almost any households, are happy ones.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:23 | 4315820 BKbroiler
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Take a look at the rot in places that have had low birth rates for enough decades.

It's an unmistakeable trend that the more a society "progresses" the less children they have.  Japan, most of Europe, America, many others all have shrinking indegenous populations.  Still a good deal to have 7 kids if you're an African farmer, not so much a suburbanite. Us "civilized" folks might just think ourselves right out of existence.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:12 | 4315788 PT
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I never wanted to have kids anyway.  And even if I did, I would be most upset if I couldn't teach them how to live.  I'm not doing much of a job looking after myself.  How in hell could I look after a whole family?   The great, most excellent thing about not having kids is that you can't blame them for your failures.  Have you got kids?  Have you failed?  Remember that, it's not the kid's fault.  You were doomed to fail anyway.  Have fun teaching them how to succeed.  If you know how.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:51 | 4314943 hapless
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Fuck the children.  What have they done for us?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:06 | 4314995 negative rates
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Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:44 | 4315120 Big Slick
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Our kids won't have time to enjoy the outdoors anyway.  They'll be working hard to pay off $205 Trillion in unfunded liabilities.  Serves 'em right for remaining silent.  Ingrates.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:46 | 4315646 TBT or not TBT
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But who will pay off all the notional in derivatives?   Tell me that!  

(Trick question of course, all unpayable debt will be never be paid, in real terms anyway, if it can't be.   For everything else, there is the printing press, or war/mass graves)

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:23 | 4315263 firstdivision
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Pedobear says what?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:05 | 4315749 Flakmeister
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Hapless, funny thing, I was visiting the Vatican as few years ago and I heard the exact same thing...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:36 | 4315080 hardcleareye
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MBD..  it is a bit more complicated than giving up the things you mentioned..... (rolling eyes...)

You might like Gail Tverberg (aka the Oil Drum)



Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:22 | 4315262 oklaboy
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki are doing just fine, after their urban renewal in 1945

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:43 | 4315627 TBT or not TBT
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Ditto Tokyo and Munich.  

Hey, maybe we should nuke Detroit?   It looks like it got nuked and never repaired, whereas back in '45 it was on the path to be the richest city in the world.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:56 | 4315403 Goldenballs
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Since you stopped using the toilet it has to come out eventually and with yourself its continually from the other end.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:41 | 4315611 TBT or not TBT
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If the world were really a zero sum game like MDB says (i.e. our comfort is at the expense of equal and opposite discomfort or impoverishment elsewhere) then, sure, I'd tell my children exactly that, AND to be thankful they're on the good side of things.  I'd teach them how to keep it that way too.

But the world isnt a zero sum game, so I can be content to explain to them how and why the turd world(and Detroit too) makes itself poor.   A whole lotta corruption, zero sum ideologies, laziness both physical and mental, bestial treament of one's fellow man and of most tellingly, fellow woman or girl...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:17 | 4315801 PT
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MDB, are you here as part of some kind of plea bargain?  What the hell have the Feds got on you to make you dribble the way you do?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:17 | 4314850 XAU XAG
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There has been times when more CO2 in the atmosphere than when humans started.................pumping it into the atmosphere


It's just a nature cycle..............Gov has jumped on it to get taxes out of you and me


You are the one who should wake up!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:24 | 4314876 MillionDollarBonus_
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Sorry I don't do youtube science. I only get my science from accredited journals and select peer reviewed papers.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:30 | 4314897 negative rates
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Selective insanity, the best kind.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:45 | 4315121 Flakmeister
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Yes, clinging to your misguided opinions in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence is an excellent example of selective insanity...

Projecting ideology into science don't work, just ask the Catholic Church...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:14 | 4315227 detached.amusement
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Yes, clinging to your misguided opinions in the face of overwhelming bastardized statistics presented as scientific evidence is an excellent example of selective insanity...


fixed for you

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:23 | 4315266 Flakmeister
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Provide a concrete numerical example of what you claim. Go ahead, show a example of where the data was fudged... 

If it was fudged, then any competent study would reveal it. Given that you could fund such a study for a fraction of the money currently spent on the PR FUD campaign, why don't they do it? Such a person would be handsomely rewarded by FF interests. Given a climate scientist makes maybe $65,000 to $100,000 a year, a 7 figure payoff would look pretty good...  Why doesn't that happen?

PS Quote mining and presenting things out of context don't cut it...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:34 | 4315307 spekulatn
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Here is a teaser. If you decide to read it maybe take some time to explore the site for more "concrete numerical examples" of fudged data.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:08 | 4315473 Flakmeister
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Um... please provide the quote from the article that backs your claim (and its relevance)...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:47 | 4315357 detached.amusement
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LOL....go look at GISS and its smoothing, dude....its so blatant, its just not even there to those sufficiently indoctrinated

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:09 | 4315434 Flakmeister
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Write a paper then...

Call up Judith Curry at Georgia Tech, she would love to have a new collaborator which such deep insight...

Hell, here is her webpage and contact info:

You could also try this guy at MIT

These two know how to get papers published and they would love to be able to prove AGW wrong.. Hell they would be delighted to show even GW was wrong.... 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:24 | 4315539 detached.amusement
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yeah I wouldnt have guessed you'd understand lindzen

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:41 | 4315614 Flakmeister
Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:57 | 4316847 TBT or not TBT
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Google up "hide the decline" or "hockey stick" together with "michael mann" or "Maunder minimum" or "roman warm period" or "little ice age" or "medievel warm period" or, for a real head spinner for you, the definition of "interglacial period"    You live in one of the latter.   They usually don't last as long as this one, then ensues a biodiversity-nuking landscape scraping few dozen millenia of ICE.    Did you know the most important green house gas is WATER, by a very long shot, and that CO2's absorbtion and emission specta in the areas of interest barely poke out behind from that of WATER?     Did you know the planet is covered on average a few miles deep in the stuff?   Go regulate that.   And the sun.   And the orbits of the planets.   Our magnetic field, and the trajectory of our solar system through the greater cosmos.  Regulate me some fukkin volcanos while you are at it.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 17:42 | 4317021 Flakmeister
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You do understand that WV is a feedback and not a forcing? Do you?

In other words, in the absence of non-condensing GHG that VW will rather quickly vanish from the atmosphere....

As for Mann(99), you really should get out more often, that study has been repeated and improved upon so many times that there is now a hockey team...

As for blantant academic fraud you should read up on the Wegman report...


PS here educate yourself

and here


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:33 | 4314908 XAU XAG
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never seen youtube science


Remember ...............all those who pedal climate change............have a reason to pedal it...............self preservation!


That includes the people who write accredited journals and peer reviewed papers

the IPCC included................they all get paid..............nice work if you can get it!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:40 | 4314918 firstdivision
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Remember ...............all those who pedal climate change............have a reason to pedal it...............self preservation!

this is the most idiotic statement I have ever heard.  So those that are against the idea are what, philanthopists?!?  LOL!  I hope you ride a motorcycle without a helmet, and drive wrecklessly.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:54 | 4314955 XAU XAG
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Tell those that bought all the toxic housing debt rated at AAA+


Who was paying the raters to rate the Debt?



Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:55 | 4314960 Chump
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If he drives wrecklessly he wouldn't need a helmet anyway.  Now be vewy quiet, I'm hunting wabbits.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:09 | 4315771 CuttingEdge
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In the UK scientist taking the alternative view became persona non grata, i.e. lost their funding.

Self preservation to a scientist is being funded.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:16 | 4315507 CoolBeans
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MBD, you are a something else.  Never fail to crack me up.

For the readers (you newbies) who fell for MBD's extreme form of sarcasm...think of it as a form of fightclub hazing.

You have to be able to sit through a MBD post and chuckle or you are not a member of fight club. Now, take the hook out of your mouth :)


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:36 | 4314912 firstdivision
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That is true, but then again during those time, flora was allowed to flourish and wasn't being razed in large quantities like now.  So no, it’s not a natural cycle when you're effecting the balancing of the equation by human hands. 

Again, this whole Global Warming debate is pretty funny and is reminiscent of the Ozone Hole debate.  Good thing economics won out over science until it was too late.  Hopefully we can ignore all problems until we actually make the Earth inhospitable for humans.  Economics comes first you know, fuck sustainability and the future, we want to pretend we are well off instead.  Oh and the most important temperatures to pay attention to, are those in Siberia, cause if that permafrost melts, the methane will accelerate the warming of the planet exponentially.



Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:49 | 4314937 XAU XAG
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Oh yes the methan story


Very interesting the subject of methan


With the population on the planet going hokey stick...............that means the animal population has to go hokey stick to feed us


there is 2 animals at any one time to feed us


Rice is grown in fields that produce................methan


So no meat and no rice...............for anyone


I agree that over population is going to affect us in ways that we do not even know yet...............but global warming is just a farce!



Mother nature can put shit loads of co2 into the atmosphere just by blowing a valcano.


in fact when a valcano erupts it can put more co2 into the atmospher than the whole of the US does in one year

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:52 | 4315147 firstdivision
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I can tell you my views on the population situation is not...well humanitarian.  I am a firm believer that the globe is over-populated.

While we talk about one volcano trumping US output, how about global human output in a year?  Yes the volcano can put more CO2 into the air, but at the same time it releases particles that balance the CO2 by blocking heat from the sun from entering.  I watched a documentary on a phenomena called Global Dimming, which one could argue that Global Warming is a result of the environmental agencies cracking down on air pollution, which was an offset to the CO2 released. 


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:27 | 4315277 Papasmurf
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Always question documentaries.  Never cite them as your source of  scientific knowledge.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:02 | 4315446 firstdivision
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I should have been more clear in that I saw the documentary, then went and did some reading on additional research on the subject.  It was more of an introduction to what the subject matter is.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:59 | 4316859 TBT or not TBT
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If you want to reduce some part of the world population, look in the mirror first.   Population reduction starts at home.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:54 | 4315158 Flakmeister
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Quit making shit up about volcanos....

Volcanos are about 1% of human emissions...

On average, humanity’s ceaseless emissions release an amount of CO2 comparable to the 0.01 gigaton of the 1980 Mount St. Helens paroxysm every 2.5 hours and the 0.05 gigaton of the 1991 Mount Pinatubo paroxysm every 12.5 hours. Every 2.7 days, they emit an amount comparable to the 0.26 gigaton preferred estimate for annual global volcanic CO2 emissions.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:18 | 4315243 detached.amusement
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and even with that, despite all the curve fitting attempts, bad coefficients balancing bad coefficients, selective reporting and pal review,


still cant make a model that can make a PREDICTION...


have fun playing with that GIGO, no matter what you tell your computer to do with CO2, mother nature already knows and already does.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:30 | 4315288 Flakmeister
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Here is a prediction from 1975 that was for all intents and purposes bang on...

PS I do agree that crap such as this exercise in curve fitting

fits your list of flawed science exactly. Thing is that Scafetta is on your side so to speak...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:49 | 4315363 detached.amusement
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LOL, go back 35 years and say "there, there's a correct prediction"...are you fkn kidding me?  And you had the balls to mention curve fitting...


What about all the the inteim predictions, all the revisions...nice try Cherrymeister

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:02 | 4315445 Flakmeister
Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:21 | 4314868 Lebensphilosoph
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Yeah, record cold spells, clearly predited by the lobal warming models of Cimate Change TM.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:47 | 4314921 firstdivision
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cause the record highs that were hit globally this year are all in the past, so we should not count it and instead focus on this one system that moved through in less than a week.  Yeah, that sounds like logic and reasoning.

Oh and FYI, this weekend those same areas are going to be experiencing warmer than average temps, but let's ignore that and use one data point to yammer on about.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:52 | 4314945 bombdog
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Those record highs that came from weather stations situated on asphalt next to airport runways, encroaching suburban areas etc. When you talk about hot summers it's "the climate". If I talk about extremely cold winters it's "the weather".

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:00 | 4315187 Flakmeister
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Here is a site where you pick as few as 60 *rural* stations world wide and reprodue the temperature record very accuately.

There is a very cool interactive globe showing the stations...

Twice before I've written about using just 60 met stations to estimate the Earth's global temperature anomaly. The first time I simply chose 61 stations according to "quality" criteria (rural, 90 years records). The resulting average was quite close to HADCRUt land only and the GISS met stations index. This was somewhat surprising, because the stations were in effect not area-weighted, but sin(latitude) weighted. 

Making shit up ain't going to cut it buddy...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:19 | 4315248 detached.amusement
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and yet you wont call vicious "smoothing" extrapolations "making shit up"

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:41 | 4315333 Flakmeister
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Please explain to us how you combine multiple measurements? 

Could you also quantify "vicious smoothing", I have never come across that term in a mathematical sense...

Finally. stop making shit up, at no point did the guy make any extrapolation... Prove me wrong otherwise with a direct quote from the article...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:56 | 4315401 detached.amusement
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I might as well go try and convince my cat that Mt Dew is good for her.  This is akin to reading the bs people write on toilet stall walls.  You sit there and wonder why some idiots draw big fat dicks...that's about all you're writing. Sorry to have offended your saint Hansen the stooge.


How to combine multiple measurements?  Why, just splice the data directly together, if it gives you the result you want.  If it doesnt, conjure up a mechanism to get the math to tell you what you want it to say.  Works pretty much the same for climate alarmism or CB actuary.  Apparently you havent seen it because you havent looked.  The GISS datasets are rife with manipulated garbage where the data lacks...why is GISS almost always warmer, aside from it having Hansen's fingerprints on it?  I digress.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:03 | 4315450 Flakmeister
Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:37 | 4315318 Papasmurf
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Observation does not prove correlation.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:42 | 4315335 Flakmeister
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How does that apply in this case?  Please elaborate.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:57 | 4315406 detached.amusement
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and correlation is not causation, much to the chagrin of believers in the CO2 hoax.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:21 | 4315495 Flakmeister
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Here is a figure of the earths IR spectrum meausured in 1969...

last figure here

taken from

Now go away and leave the adults alone...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:26 | 4315543 detached.amusement
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one of these days those cherry tree branches are going to break

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:56 | 4315690 Flakmeister
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Pray tell, what exactly was cherry picked when they measured the IR spectrum of the earth in 1969?

And it has been  measured many times since, here lmgtfy

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:00 | 4315188 firstdivision
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Filter your station to ones in rural areas, which pulls out the large cities "asphalt effect".  But then again I wouldn't expect someone that doesn't do their own research to actually process data.  Also, I work in an industry that is very sensitive to weather, and dependent on accurate weather forecasts (and I have to help with the modeling), so I have firsthand work with weather datasets.

When you talk about hot summers it's "bbq weather", yet when you talk about cold winters it's "ZOMG IT'S AN ICE AGE". 


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:24 | 4314875 CJHames
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Million Dollar Bonus:

I think I speak for many millions of Americans when I say ... go fuck yourself.

These same "scientists" who first claimed we were in a "Global Warming" event, then had to rename their cries of insanity to "Climate Change" admittedly say that the least time the Earth facrd such a cataclysm was 10,000 years ago.  Tell me, my friend, how many cars or smokestacks were on the planet then, eh? What exactly was the carbon footprint of T-rex?

Madness. Complete and utter fucking madness.




Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:44 | 4314926 firstdivision
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Yes...saying humans can effect the globe with their puny little hands is madness....oh wait there was this,

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:53 | 4314953 MassDecep
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Do you think Chemtrailing may be affecting the ionosphere and the weather? They are spraying us daily and with lots of it.

I believe it is affecting our weather and our health. I would not put anything by these evil bastards that want to slow kill as many of us as possible. Useless eaters.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:33 | 4315067 Flakmeister
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Ah ZH, land of the free and home of conspiracy theory whackjobs... 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:55 | 4314962 bombdog
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What does the ozone have to do with this freezing weather?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:59 | 4314973 Bangin7GramRocks
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BOOM! Well played. These dummies on here are simply regurgitating what has been spoon-fed to them. All you need to know about our dumb fucking country is that more people believe in angels than climate change. The republicans war on science has done incredible harm to the United States. Our own little Dark Age.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:34 | 4315575 ceilidh_trail
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Your name fits you well. And you are not spoon fed by all your years of watching Scooby Doo and Dora the Explorer?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:12 | 4314986 XAU XAG
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@fd for real


It is measured in dobson units............named after the Brit that discoverd it.


But I have an interesting story ref NASA and ozone.


Another brit was saying there is a hole in the ozone and NASA was saying no there is not!

They where monitering it and other stuff from the satellites.


A guy at NASA who knew the brit knew the brit knew his stuff and why was NASA not seeing the hole!


Then it came to him...........GIGO!


Garbage In........Garbage Out


NASA had set an upper and lower limit on the computers.


They took the limits out and said Feck..............there is a hole and the rest is history

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:29 | 4315283 firstdivision
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Also, is your '.' key sticky from all the time spent on

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:02 | 4315088 Flakmeister
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It is no accident that the same clowns that were involved in fighting to keep the dangers of tobacco from the public are the ones working the FUD gig for AGW....

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:22 | 4315260 detached.amusement
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its no accident that the same clowns who rely on grants to continue their alarmism have their very livelihood depend on their alarmism being correct, hence the Cirque Du Soliel style contortions

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:44 | 4315345 Flakmeister
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I see that all you have left to post is basic trolling techniques....

You clearly out of ammo....

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:01 | 4315426 detached.amusement
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clearly, because of course there could be no other possible explanation - just like the co2 scare, right?


couldnt be because I'm at work taking a break and I dont have the time during the day to satiate you.  not that I could anyway, I would have an easier time converting ayaman zawahiri to catholicism.  you're simply not going to convert a religious zealot, and people that believe the AGW religion that badly, you're still going to be trying to make shit up to say you're right in 30 years well after the rest of the earth knows co2 dont "drive" a goddam thing.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:03 | 4315452 Flakmeister
Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:27 | 4314886 negative rates
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Speak for yourself money boy!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:47 | 4314931 StychoKiller
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I'm willing to toss you into any volcano you care to mention...:>D

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:59 | 4314971 overmedicatedun...
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1st div is a true AGW fanatic. that's ok, I think we who disagree, should point out..there is global warming, but the effect of man as the cause is what we object to, give us data to support change in ave temp, we agree. but mankind is not the cause..that's what we disagree on. (posted as sometimes the obvious must be pointed out)

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:31 | 4315051 Flakmeister
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Yeah, sure thing...

What would the temperature of the planet be if they was no C02 in the atmosphere? Care to fathom a guess?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:39 | 4315099 XAU XAG
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-18 C


And life as we know it Jim!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:08 | 4315209 Flakmeister
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Very good, roughly 35 degrees C lower and how long would it take to reach that temperature if the C02 was suddenly gone? 10,000 years? 1000 years? 1 year? 10 years? 

Another way of looking at is, that if 300 ppmv of C02 is capable of inducing a GH effect including water vapor feedbacks of roughly 35 degrees C, what do you think 600 ppmv of C02 would do?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:01 | 4315438 detached.amusement
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have fun fitting that striaght line on the log curve or reality, pal

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:15 | 4315500 Flakmeister
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Sigh, yet another strawman...

Where did I assume it was linear?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:33 | 4315573 detached.amusement
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...and he doesnt see his preceding question as a strawman...


if we knew that curve we'd already have our answer, unfortunately we have a lot of zealots getting in the way of finding the correct answer, because their religion tells them it is preposterously high.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:58 | 4315708 Flakmeister
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You sound like a bad defense lawyer for a guy who got caught dead to rights by 2 type of DNA evidence, video surviellance and ballistic evidence...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 15:27 | 4316308 detached.amusement
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and you sound like a brainwashed fool so steeped in a particular culture, no amount of real world evidence is good enough to convince you that you've been brainwashed.  like the typical fool, foolish enough he doesnt even know he's a fool. 


your recourse is to point to data which doesnt say anything in particular, and models that say made up things, then tell me I'm a troll when I poke holes in your arguments.  you bloody fool, your arm's off, its not just a flesh wound.  instead, tell me to come up with my own hypothesis and tell me the onus of proof is on me!  LOL.


the burden of proof is on the morons who made fantasy models and proclaimed them to be the truth - I point out major logical fallacies in them, but hey, since I dont have my own site and theory...LOL


TROLLLOLOLOL indeed, flake.



Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:45 | 4316765 Flakmeister
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Are you ever even going to post anything that contains support for the outlandish cliams you have made in this thread as opposed the above content free bullshit?

You are the very embodiment of a troll...


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:40 | 4315102 overmedicatedun...
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flak, without carbon dioxide, there would be one benefit: you would not be breathing. think about it. (fat chance)

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:29 | 4315554 Flakmeister
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I would take some solace in that the idiots of your ilk would be in the same boat....

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:50 | 4315139 detached.amusement
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yeah, because nothing transports heat but CO2...thanks captain inanity

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:03 | 4315199 Flakmeister
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It clearly went over you head as the question has nothing to do with the heat capacity of C02...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:41 | 4315332 detached.amusement
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oh right, its all those feedbacks that multiply together ten times so you can call the feedback "positive" that has nothing to do with the heat capacity of co2.


do you count your gold in the same manner?  you must have about 20 tons of it by now.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:50 | 4315365 Flakmeister
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Good god, you are clueless...

Do you really think that C02 is the heat sink?

Here is a laymans introduction to the basics of the Greenhouse effect...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:02 | 4315444 detached.amusement
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sink!  ffs, do you read, do you comprehend?


well, based on your religious beliefs, I'd say not.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:04 | 4315456 Flakmeister
Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:47 | 4315134 Occident Mortal
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Get a fucking education.

For 550 of the past 600 million years the planet has been a full 60F warmer than it is today.

Same goes for CO2 levels, the have only been below 500ppm for the past 25 million years.

The natural equilibrial climate of our planet is actually quite hostile to human beings or any warm blooded animal for that matter.

Extrapolating 30 years of warming in a 600,000,000 year data set is the stuff criminal deception. Is Bernake printing sunshine?

And pretending that humans have the ability to lock the planets climate into some kind of quasi-homeostasis just because we want to keep it in the state that suits us best is utter dino-enraging bullshit.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:10 | 4315219 Flakmeister
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What have the C02 levels been since the emergence of mammals? In particular mammals larger than a mouse? 

Lay off the flawed strawmen, you only fool the ignorant that want to be fooled....

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:43 | 4315342 detached.amusement
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If Hansen hadnt have automatically assumed the southern ozone hole came from cans of aerosol, he's never have came up with the brilliant idea of balancing the whole mind game out with a bad coefficient of co2.  You're not going to get around that fallacy.


You must have a funny looking dog, it being wagged by its tail all over the house.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:51 | 4315373 Flakmeister
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You are aware that you are now creating word salad?

Show me where Hansen "assumed" any such thing...


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 15:29 | 4316314 detached.amusement
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now you need a history lesson too??


what the hell did they teach you in college aside from "humanity is destroying the planet?"

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:46 | 4316772 Flakmeister
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More bullshit from you...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:51 | 4315371 Bangin7GramRocks
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Whatchu talkin bout' Willis! The earth is only 5000 years old and man once rode on the backs of dinosaurs. Then, a few years later, George Washington and Jesus wrote the U.S. Constitution together. Duh!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:16 | 4315506 Loose Caboose
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Two words .... Cow. Farts. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:42 | 4315944 PT
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Followed by ( if I remember rightly ) ocean ameoba.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:54 | 4315388 Squiddly Diddly
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MDB- The necessary sacrifice has been made.  Are YOU awake?

Mark 8:

Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. 36For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:27 | 4315546 CoolBeans
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Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:42 | 4315621 Gold Eyed Cat
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1970s - Global cooling will kill us all! (Give me 50 million dollars and we may get out of this alive.)

1980s - Stop using paper bags. Killing trees will destroy earth!  (Give me 100 million dollars and the trees may one day recover.)

1990s - Global warming will melt the ice caps.  We're all going to die!  (Give me 100 billion dollars and we can start to heal the world.)

2000s - Stop using plastic bags.  They are choking the planet!  (Give me 200 billion dollars and we'll make green bags from something renewable like... trees.)

2010s - Climate change is hot AND cold and REALLY REALLY DEADLY!  (Give me 500 trillion dollars or I swear to God, all your children are going to slowly freeze to death or burst into a ball of fire...either way, they're going to fucking die and you won't like it!)

2014 - MDB posts.  (Oh shit!  Well, that changes everything.  Who do I make the check out to?)


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:43 | 4315856 PT
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Gold Eyed Cat:

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:26 | 4315844 PT
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Funny how all the proposed solutions involve getting poor people to work harder and give money to rich people. 
We need to save oil?  Why do streets have cul de sacs?  Why do we ship resources back and forth around the world instead of processing what we need in the country of origin?  Why do we have huge buildings in one small area and a huge commute to get to those buildings?  Why are we on rations in times of peace and during a so-called "boom"? (and what will happen to those rations when the "boom" (I use that word VERY loosely ) "finishes"? Why do we pay people to have babies?  Why do we look down on surfie dudes on the dole?  By minimizing their carbon footprint, aren't they doing the world a favour?  Why do we allow empty houses to deteriorate and then be demolished while others are homeless?  What is the carbon footprint on that one?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:09 | 4316561 Notarocketscientist
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Humans are the worst thing that happened to the planet - we are a vicous evil force that kills for greed and pleasure.   We are the enemy of the planet - we are like a cancer growing on the planet 


I am unclear as to why you think that humans should be saved (from themselves of course)


Would it not be better if we suffocated ourselves by burning more carbon so that we were made extinct.... and whatever life remained could continue to live in harmony with the planet?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:41 | 4316740 In Fed We Trust
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What do natural diaseters have in common?

The government. 

Soros: Peoples preception is much more important that reality itself.  Soros coined this theory in terms of high finance but it could be applied to both the top two. 

Convince the people that global warming is happening by way of the weather machiine and natural diasters.  People will be lining up to some carbon credit control scheme to SAVE THE WORLD

Out with the petro dollar  --- in with the Carbon Credit Scheme


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:41 | 4316748 In Fed We Trust
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What do natural diasters have  in common with school shootings? is what I meant to say . da

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:43 | 4316752 In Fed We Trust
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and I am talking from a reference point of Boulder CO,

can you say "da floods" one more time amy ggodman?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:05 | 4317115 de3de8
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Mdb, take the lead and shoot yourself in the head

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:31 | 4315879 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"colder than a whore's heart..."~

...On payday!

Colder than a titch's wit.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:10 | 4314831 XAU XAG
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Niagara   TAPPER!


Will be back to full flow...............soon

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:22 | 4314873 duo
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Niagara Falls....slowly I turned.

fast forward to 0:50

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:13 | 4316048 PT
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... and nobody could possibly have predicted this cold snap and associated water shortage because, because, ummm ... because, ummm - how on earth were we to know it might get cold and that some people might need water?

But the good news is that we have somebody to tell you how to ration water and toilet use.

When you guys pay taxes (or is it the water bill? ), do you get a discount for all the money they save by not building any infrastructure - dams, pipelines, "Niagara Falls Heaters" (Yes, I know that is an energy inefficient and very stupid idea, don't bother pointing it out - replace it with the words "other technology" ), not investigating new water sources...?  Did you suddenly get a tax break when they stopped hiring weather forecasters, engineers, planners and other people who generally know a thing or two about providing water to cities?  The guy that is paid to say, "Use less water.  Don't flush your dunny":  Does he actually have any qualifications or was he put there by his rich mummy and daddy in order to keep him out of trouble?  If he does have qualifications, why isn't he given access to adequate resources in order to solve problems?  Is this one of those capitalism problems where all the companys are so competitive that they are too poor and don't have any money left for infrastructure or R&D?  Is all the capital / R&D budget being spent on paying bank interest instead?

Yeah, it's the same over here too.

Is anyone out there in a position to run the numbers? 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:02 | 4314815 bigfire
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Global Warming.  Is there no end to George W. Bush's evil?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:07 | 4314824 Rainman
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It's so cold the liberals need to put their hands in their own pockets.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:11 | 4314832 GetZeeGold
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Is there no end to George W. Bush's evil?


He froze Niagra in do you even do something like that?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:03 | 4314818 krispkritter
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Sounds like more than Niagra is going to be backed up...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:04 | 4314822 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Federal Law is now "national security' so what is next in the transformation into an authoritarian shithole.

Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee: Change The Word “Welfare” To “Transitional Living Fund”…


I am sure the state media is going to be bombarding us with this term now like hungry is food insecurity.

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