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"Don't Flush Your Toilets" Mayor Says As Ohio Water Supply Freezes; Niagara Falls Frozen

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The nation may be slowly thawing from its deep freeze "polar vortex", but that is no comfort for tens of thousands of Ohians, whose water supply has literally frozen in the past day after the valves at the Avon Lake Municipal Utility plant were planted in ice, dramatically lowering the supply of water. NBC reports that "tens of thousands of customers in several counties in Ohio are facing a dramatic water shortage after the intake valves at a key plant that draws water from Lake Erie apparently froze amid the wild winter weather." As a result, the mayor of Avon had a modest proposal as a response to the caticestrophy: don't flush your toilets. At least there is toilet paper, which is more than Venezuela, and its 480% returning in 2013 stock market can say.

From NBC:

Officials at Avon Lake Municipal Utilities west of Cleveland said Wednesday that the valves at the plant are caked in ice. Although they are still able to draw water, the rate is below typical demands — which means several surrounding cities could be hit by a veritable drought.

 

In a message on the city of Avon's official website, officials called on residents to hold off on doing anything that uses a lot of water.

 

Avon Mayor Bryan Jensen sent out an emergency messages to locals asking them to hold off on laundry, baths and showers, according to Cleveland.com.

 

"We even ask people to refrain from flushing toilets as often as they used to until this can be resolved," Jensen said.

 

The plant website said it provides water to over 200,000 people living in a 680-square-mile area made up of seven counties — including Lorain, Cuyahoga, Medina, Erie, Huron, Ashland and Wayne.

And in other polar vortex news, the Niagara Falls has frozen.

 

The polar vortex which affected large swathes of the US is expected to calm off this weekend (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

The polar vortex which affected large swathes of the US is expected to calm off this weekend (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

 

The Rainbow Bridge connects the US side of Niagara Falls to the Canadian side (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

The Rainbow Bridge connects the US side of Niagara Falls to the Canadian side (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

 

The U.S. side of the Niagara Falls is pictured in Ontario, January 8, 2014.

Over 20million people visit Niagara each year (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

 

Ice chunks and water flow over the falls Niagara Falls, Ontario, January 8, 2014. The frigid air and "polar vortex" that affected about 240 million people in the United States and southern Canada will depart during the second half of this week, and a far-reaching January thaw will begin, according to AccuWeather.com.   REUTERS/Aaron Harris (CANADA - Tags: ENVIRONMENT TRAVEL)

Ice chunks flow over the Niagara into its gorge (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

 

Visitors take pictures overlooking the falls in Niagara Falls, Ontario, January 8, 2014. The frigid air and "polar vortex" that affected about 240 million people in the United States and southern Canada will depart during the second half of this week, and a far-reaching January thaw will begin, according to AccuWeather.com.   REUTERS/Aaron Harris (CANADA - Tags: ENVIRONMENT TRAVEL)

Visitors brave the cold to take a look at the beautiful sight (Picture: REUTERS/Aaron Harris)

 

 

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Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:08 | 4314827 headhunt
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Transitional meaning forever; as in vote for a democrat forever

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:39 | 4315921 Theosebes Goodfellow
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Transitional meaning transgenerational...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:05 | 4314992 toady
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Getting pretty Orwellian up in here...

What's next, war is peace?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:05 | 4314823 Fix It Again Timmy
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Don't tank that turd!.....

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:08 | 4314826 Sudden Debt
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AAAH THAT OLD TRUSTED BUTTPLUG WILL COME IN HANDY!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:32 | 4314906 negative rates
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People today just can't figure out if they are doin the suin, or gettin sued, and by the time they do figure it out, it too late for them and they go into perpetual denial about their life choices.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:09 | 4314828 TwoJacks
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Ohioans. damn!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:16 | 4314842 dobermangang
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OT:  Family Dollar is plunging pre-market.  Guidance sucks.  The masses must be shopping at upscale retail stores again since the economy is doing so well.  Right???  Maybe FDO should start selling guns and ammo.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/family-dollar-plummets-premarket-on-sul...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:17 | 4314855 LawsofPhysics
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Niagra has got to have some avid ice climbers pretty happy.  How many chances like that are they going to get?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:20 | 4314866 d edwards
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Damn that global warming!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:26 | 4314883 LawsofPhysics
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Troll.  < meh >  the global temperature warms, the global temperature cools, species come and go.

same as it ever was...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:41 | 4315107 Flakmeister
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And if we manage to render extinct 90% of all species, possibly including ourselves, so be it...

Given the lifespan of the earth, an appropriate epitaph for H. Sapiens would be "Gone in 60 seconds"...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:41 | 4315933 BigJim
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Yes Flak, 90% of all species will die if temperatures were to increase a few degrees every century.

And yet these very same species somehow manage to survive temperature swings of a dozen degrees daily... and dozens of degrees annually.

Plastics are a problem. Polutants are a problem. Radiological polution is a problem.

A little excess (though not by historical standards) plant food (sorry, CO2)... not so much.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:59 | 4315994 Flakmeister
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What a complete epic logic fail on your part...

It almost ranks up there with your complete clusterfuck of logic on the international gold standard....

So, why don't we have polar bears in the tropics or many species of reptiles in the Yukon? 

BTW, by historical standard, i.e. the time that H. Sapiens and the genus Homo have been around, the current C02 levels are unprecedented...

Finally, by all historical measures, global changes of few degrees be century have been cataclysmic... changes of 1-2 degrees per 1,000 years are more the norm...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 15:31 | 4316330 detached.amusement
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unprecedented....

 

...that word keeps getting used, by those who dont appear to understand its meaning

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:47 | 4316785 Flakmeister
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Could you point to a point in time when genus Homo walked the earth that had higher C02 levels than currently?

You can't, so spare us the bullshit...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 18:06 | 4321040 BigJim
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 It almost ranks up there with your complete clusterfuck of logic on the international gold standard....

LOL girlfriend, given the relative number of up arrows vs down arrows that 'debate' attracted, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows who won that argument... and no, it wasn't you.

So, why don't we have polar bears in the tropics or many species of reptiles in the Yukon?

You're suggesting the projected rise of a few degrees a century will transform the areas where polar bears are to be found, into having weather similar to the tropics?

Your lunacy and incoherence never fail to astound me.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 19:54 | 4321307 Flakmeister
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Once again, you are a day late and dollar short...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 22:29 | 4321681 BigJim
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Masterful refutation there, girlfriend.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:17 | 4314857 muleskinner
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It will warm and soon the problems associated with the cold will be over.

Resistance is futile.

Old news:

Little Gray Men

Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy, alt.alien.visitors, sci.math, alt.politics.org.nsa
Subject: The Grays' involvement in cryptography and national security
Date: 25 Jan 1994 07:05:10 GMT
Summary: How the NSA has got help from extraterrtestrials
One thing that the NSA will not reveal is the magnitude of their advancement in theoretical mathematics and cryptography. It is estimated that the NSA is about 200 years ahead of the rest of the world in mathematical theory. This not only allows them to break any code devised outside of the NSA, but to devise codes which cannot be broken.

A tiny part of this advancement is due to an intensive mathematics research program commenced in the 1960s. Fermat's Last Theorem was proven conclusively in 1964, but only those in the NSA know of it. Some 2,000 theorems and lemmas, all numbered and classified, have arisen. At least a dozen branches of theoretical mathematics such as flag theory, superspace theory, interstice theory, match theory and quantum logic have been developed, and yet not only has the outside world never heard of them, but the NSA has been deliberately inserting disinformation into textbooks, research papers, et cetera to keep everybody else off the trail.

Most of this advancement has been achieved with outside help. In 1973, during the Nixon Administration, the NSA hooked up fith the Jason Society, the top-secret body that liaises with the extraterrestrial beings known as the Grays. This gave them an immediate infusion of mathematical theory, as the grays have developed mathematics to a level which we cannot completely comprehend. In return, the grays were given two more bases in New Mexico and a 15% increase in the number of people that they may abduct per year for analysis and extraction of vital fluids.

The Grays have renegged on their abduction quota agreement, and are abducting many more people than before. Most of these are returned, after being implanted with a device which allows the grays to have total control over their thoughts and actions. Approximately 40% of Americans now carry one of these devices, which are impossible to remove without killing the host.

http://milk.com/wall-o-shame/gray_men.html

now you know.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:25 | 4314878 XAU XAG
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Move 

 

Wall Street 

 

to

 

New Mexico

 

All our problems will be solved

 

Are the "grays" behind bitcoin?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:30 | 4314898 GetZeeGold
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extraterrestrial beings known as the Grays

 

Pretty sure they're inter-dimensional and not extraterrestrial.....but perhaps I've said too much.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:50 | 4314940 shovelhead
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The multi-verses have some seriously shady characters hanging around in them.

That one weirdo with the banjo really pisses me off when he shows up.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:42 | 4315110 Flakmeister
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Damn string theorists...

We would all be ok if they hadn't postulated all those extra dimensions...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:28 | 4314890 LawsofPhysics
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Great entertainment.  thanks.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:45 | 4315952 BigJim
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 Most of these are returned, after being implanted with a device which allows the grays to have total control over their thoughts and actions. Approximately 40% of Americans now carry one of these devices, which are impossible to remove without killing the host.

Replace 'Grays' with 'Statists', and 'devices' with 'EBT cards', and I think you may be on to something.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:52 | 4315976 PT
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muleskinner:
Aaaah, that explains my failures.  That explains why I sit on the computer all day reading ZH when I should be doing more constructive things.  That explains my pre-midday amnesia when I can't remember all the important things I'm supposed to be doing (or I remember but keep putting them off till "later").

And all this time I thought it was just me.  I'd try and resist but the greys are preventing me from doing so.  Must be that apathy / procrastination implant.  Bummer! 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:58 | 4316213 PT
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I can only hope that someone will escape with a memory stick with all that you-beaut info on it.  I like maths, and its about time I added to my knowledge base.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:31 | 4314902 Reader1
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Just burn your humanure and it will warm you twice; once when you strain to expell it and once more when you sit around it's loving warming loving glow.  Bonus points for making poopfire s'mores!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 09:51 | 4314942 GrinandBearit
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"Polar vortex" - LMAO!

It's fucking cold... deal with it.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:11 | 4315220 CharlieMike
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Used to be called winter.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:12 | 4315487 CoolBeans
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Really!  Exactly, G&Bit.

I spent 30 years in Mpls.  People, it is damn cold there in the winter.

I felt the '94 winter where we had the record number of high temps that were in the -30s.  "Meh, it's winter...it happens".  Not a lot of drama (although Minnesotan Scandinavians generally don't engage in drama).

I have come outside to find that my car had completely disappeared under a foot of snow thanks to lots of snow and driving winds.  "Oh well...this is what happens in the winter".

We Minnesotans (former and current) have frozen fingers and toes for decades.  Brains must be a little frost-bitten too, for those who continue to live there (I do not).

It's what happens during the winter - some years are fine; others are a pain in the rear.  

This "polar vortex" cracks me up.  It happens.  Yet, the Weather Channel and similar media folks have decided to turn all of this into some sort of new "reality TV".  

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:27 | 4315037 Flakmeister
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From Jeff Masters over at WeatherUnderground:

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/show.html

Not a Historic Cold Wave
As notable as this week's cold wave was--bringing the coldest air seen since 1996 or 1994 over much of the nation--the event failed to set any monthly or all-time record low minimum temperature records at airports and cooperative observing stations monitored by NOAA's National Climatic Data Center. As wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt summed it up for me, "The only significant thing about the cold wave is how long it has been since a cold wave of this force has hit for some portions of the country--18 years, to be specific. Prior to 1996, cold waves of this intensity occurred pretty much every 5-10 years. In the 19th century, they occurred every year or two (since 1835). Something that, unlike the cold wave, is a truly unprecedented is the dry spell in California and Oregon, which is causingunprecedented winter wildfires in Northern California." Part of the reason that this week's cold wave did not set any all-time or monthly cold records is that it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so in a warming climate. As Andrew Freedman of Climate Central wrote in a blog post yesterday, "While the cold temperatures have been unusual and even deadly, climate data shows that intense cold such as this event is now occurring far less frequently in the continental U.S. than it used to. This is largely related to winter warming trends due to man-made global warming and natural climate variability." For example, in Detroit during the 1970s, there were an average of 7.9 nights with temperatures below zero. But this decade, that number has been closer to two nights.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:54 | 4315155 detached.amusement
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What a fantastically in depth analysis!  Did you learn one fkn thing about electromagnetism when you got that "PhD" of yours?  If you did, or actually studied some solar physics instead of believing whatever your professors told you was gospel, you'd have something worthwhile to add instead of smugness.  What the hell do you think was responsible for the polar vortex in the first place?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:17 | 4315237 Flakmeister
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You sound like a cranky old man....

BTW, here is figure showin the solar output and temperature record, the effect from the rate of change of the solar flux is now dwarfed by change C02 forcings...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm

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Something tells me that you never took calculus or you would grasp the subtleties about rates of change and their relationships...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:30 | 4315291 detached.amusement
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Do I have to point out that you sound like the archetypical academic snob who is hopelessly convinced he's correct because he's got a paper saying where he was indoctrinated?

 

Pointing out over and over again your belief that TSI is the be all end all only number we need when considering the sun's effect on earth.  Oh, if only you'd look outside your blinders every so often.

 

Hansen tried telling me the same thing, that co2 forcings were far more impactful.  But of course leave out the asterisk that such a concept is programmed into a model - you're fucking telling the model to behave that way and curve fitting output to determine "correctness."   Sorry, gonna have to do better than that if you want your fantasy computer programs to actually be able to predict something in the real world.  The burden of proof aint on me, pal, I'm not the one making ridiculous claims backed by little but bad statistical manipulations.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:54 | 4315392 Flakmeister
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The thing about science is that the onus is on you to come up with evidence for your theory...

So how does the sun affect us that is not accounted for? 

The floor is all yours...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:04 | 4315459 detached.amusement
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oh, so you've come up with a complete working solar model?

 

you're able to say with clarity how this polar vortex happened and when it will wind down?

 

when the next one will happen?

 

oh, wait...that's right, we dont have to worry about anything coming from the sun, we have that magix # called TSI, we dont need anything else...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:18 | 4315515 Flakmeister
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Yawn...

Where's the beef? 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:22 | 4315532 detached.amusement
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thats what I keep saying, all I get is "what?  there is no problem whatsoever with our math/ideology/statistics/models"

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:59 | 4315586 Flakmeister
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Write a paper...

I provided you with the contact info for two of the remaining academics of any repute that are trying to show AGW/GW is wrong. They would love to hear your insights...

C'mon, make ZH proud of you...

But we all know that any such effort on your part would go nowhere as the above two are too canny to forfeit their remaining credibility on something so obviously wrong and indefensible...

Anthony Watts tried that and McIntyre dropped him like a sack of wet shit....

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:08 | 4315757 Not_Sure
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I love people who put blinders on and think they know how the world works. The beauty of Greenland is it is a record of the history of the planet that can be tapped to understand what has occured in the past. And what it tells us, when looking futher back than just yesterday, is that the the Earth is, in fact, heading into another ice age. Just as the climate scientist were saying a few decades ago but got preempted by the chicken littles looking to stick their hands in our pockets.

Now, look at this graph:

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/gisp-last-10000-new.png

see that like uptick at the end (yeah, the little "hockey stick")? That's us, now. Then look at all that information prior to it. You get the bigger picture now? Oh, and look at the trend line in green. Follow it and extrapolate it out into the future. Yes, that's right. We are headed to colder temperatures once we get past this uptick we are experiencing.

Global warming may be a slight inconvenience for some, but global cooling is an out-and-out killer of large populations. A global ELE, actually. That's what you should be worried about. Not that your beachfront property is going to get a little soggy.

Take your blinders off.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:27 | 4315840 Flakmeister
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Calling the GISP data set that ends in 1850 the present and global ain't gonna to stand up to much scrutiny... 

http://www.skepticalscience.com/10000-years-warmer.htm

Your figure is discussed there and here is the main point:

Easterbrook plots the temperature data from the GISP2 core, as archived here. Easterbrook defines “present” as the year 2000. However, the GISP2 “present” follows a common paleoclimate convention and is actually 1950. The first data point in the file is at 95 years BP. This would make 95 years BP 1855 — a full 155 years ago, long before any other global temperature record shows any modern warming. In order to make absolutely sure of my dates, I emailed Richard Alley, and he confirmed that the GISP2“present” is 1950, and that the most recent temperature in the GISP2 series is therefore 1855.

This is Easterbrook’s main sleight of hand. He wants to present a regional proxy for temperature from 155 years ago as somehow indicative of present global temperatures. The depths of his misunderstanding are made clear in a response he gave to a request from the German EIKE forum to clarify why he was representing 1905 (wrongly, in two senses) as the present. Here’s what he had to say:

The contention that the ice core only reaches 1905 is a complete lie (not unusual for AGW people). The top of the core is accurately dated by annual dust layers at 1987. There has been no significant warming from 1987 to the present, so the top of the core is representative of the present day climate in Greenland.

Unfortunately for Don, the first data point in the temperature series he’s relying on is not from the “top of the core”, it’s from layers dated to 1855. The reason is straightforward enough — it takes decades for snow to consolidate into ice.

 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 11:33 | 4315300 notadouche
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Much like a heroin addict the earth is obviously going through withdrawals due to the efforts of the Global Warmist to make mother nature go cold turkey off of the incandscent light bulb along with the stress she feels by hearing all of the talk about no longer supplying her with fossil fuels.  

She's afraid that her "insurance company" (EPA, Globalist) has changed formularies and the drug that she has been taken for so many years is no longer covered in 2014 and she only found this out while at her pharmacist attempting get a refill as she has done on a regular basis for sevaral years due to a chronic situation.  Apparently a panel of doctor's led by non other than (Dr.) Gore has decided that this medication is not appropriate for her even though she has had success with it and her specialist doctor prescibes it very specifically.  Oddly this "panel" knows nothing about her personally, just in general terms and is considering the effects to all policy holders.   Coincidentally much cheaper, say generic forms of this drug are covered.  Mother Earth has tried the less expensive version and found them to be no better than a placebo.  

This left Mother Earth no type of aribtration other than the option of writing a random letter (no phone numbers or emails available) addressed to no one in particular to some P.O. Box and a vague promise that a decision would be made, "usually within a month".  Well this leaves her at risk of seizures, heart attack etc... due to the immediate stoppage of said medication and every doctor will tell their patient that it is not safe to stop taking this medication in an instant after taking it for so long.  Though there were some alternative medications available, they had been tried in the past and were proven ineffective (wind mills, "clean" coal...) and in some cases were actually harmful (Fukishima, 3 Mile Island...) 

While discussing with one of the many "gatekeepers" Mother Earth was told that "formularies" change yearly and it's not the policy to warn customers of the changes leaving them to discover at their most vulnerable time with no real options.  It was also conveyed that "we have to be fair to the other "policy holders" and "your specific issues can't override the needs of the others".   Oddly Mother Nature didn't understand why her specific needs were of no consequence when using her specific insurance that she specifically pays for with her specific money.  She can't wrap her head around the notion that the insurance company acts as though they are being benevolent by paying for medications even though they receive money on a bi monthly basis from their customers that allow them to generate HUGE profits.  How they can take the stance that "they" are coming out of pocket for medications on your behalf thus you need to be greatful for what they do cover instead of focusing on what they don't cover.  

It's confusing how "society", "government" has allowed Big Insurance to wear the hat of "medication decider", "procedure decider" and "doctor selector" etc...all the while being a "for profit" corporation that effectively pushes the patient (and the doctor) to the side, making medical decisions for their customer who just happens to be a patient as well.  The fact that the decisions made do not take the patient/customer care into consideration but only the bottom line profits.   Now, Mother Nature doesn't even have the choice to self insure if unsatisfied, but in fact is forced by law and threat of punishment to purchase from this cartel whose tentacles are vertically integrated throughout the medical process.  

It's the interchangeable definition of "patient" and "customer" with the "customer" having zero power that is astounding.  The "patient/customer" is reduced to a ball of yarn that is freely batted around by a few "giant cats" (Big Insurance,Big Government,Big Pharma) meanwhile in every single instance those entities lifeblood is that of the "ball of yarn" yet they bat the ball of yarn around with arrogance and impunity.  How the hell does that happen?   

My sincere apologies for interchanging two vastly separate issues in a failed attempt to correlate them and also use humor as the more the author wrote the less humorous it became and the more pissed off she became.  

Oh and Happy New Year.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:35 | 4315584 Bruce Flea
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Global warming must be true, because something cooked your brain.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:51 | 4315666 notadouche
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Yes you are right, no doubt.  

The bureacracy of shit no one should have to deal with feels like gingerale being poured over my skull.  Navigating shit that is intentionally filled with obstacles in order to wear you down ends up taking it's toll.   The hopes of these large complex bureacracies is that a person will wear down, give up, go away and accept which allows them to win in the long run.  "They" hold all of the power and purse strings yet their purse is filled by your dollars. One day you will know what I'm talking about and it will dawn on you but you can only truly understand a thing by living a thing.  

Or to put another way, "Until you walked a mile in their shoes..." 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:10 | 4315777 Flakmeister
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Yeah, its all wrong because you have a hard time dealing with possible consequences...

You are better off figuring out what the best way to deal with it given your beliefs...

In other words, quit bellyaching...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:20 | 4315817 notadouche
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I was actually pontificating moreso than bellyaching and thankfully I'm aware of the difference so really I don't need your advice but thanks anyway. I actually apolgized at the end for my failed attempts of achieving certain goals in my writing but I guess this goes right over your head and you have to go to a personal level of which you are totally ignorant about yet you sadly don't seem to be aware .    

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:02 | 4315442 nowhereman
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You know, my problem is not with the global warming/climate change religion, it's with people who actually think we have the where with all to control the climate. 

Just who do you suppose will be in charge of that task?  Government?  I think we all know just how efficient those guys are.  The last people I'd want to be in control of my children's future. 

Scientists?  You know, those guys who cannot see what they're paid not to see.  They know which side their grant money butter is on.

I've lived long enough to know, it's hot in summer, and some summers are hotter than others, and it's cold in winter, with some winters colder than others.  But this whole "the government as got to do something about it" is a relatively new phenomena. 

That is the most disturbing trend.  You live in northern areas you get seasons.  You build your house by the shore you get floods, You build your house on the plains you get tornadoes.  You build your house on the west coast, you get Janet Palosi.

Deal with it.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:20 | 4315524 Flakmeister
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Fucking something up and controlling are two very different things... 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:21 | 4315527 detached.amusement
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first intelligent thing you said the whole thread

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:40 | 4315606 Flakmeister
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That makes me at the very very least one up on you...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:23 | 4315832 notadouche
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When it comes to the arrogance of man the two generally go hand in hand, as  when you try to control something, especially that which is uncontrollable, you usually fuck it up.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:30 | 4315561 notadouche
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Actually in the early, mid 70's, as a school kid I remember being taught this same narrative.  Before Global Warming took hold, these same folks were trying to evoke fear with the masses claiming the second coming of the ice age that killed the dinosaurs and we must do something or suffer the same fate.  That didn't capture the imagination so they went back to the drawing board and the birth of "Global Warming".  I wonder if the correlation to "Hell" being hot has been a "psychological trigger" point that captured the attention of many people.  It would certainly dovetail onto everything we know about subliminal messaging and all the psycholgical manipulations that we as humans are subject to without even knowing it.   I can easily conveive of the notion that in some back rooms this was the brain child of some real life "Don Draper's".  If so it's quite brilliant actually.  

Of course this is all just my active imagination and no government or power entity would do studies like this in order to deceive and frighten as a way to move society in the direction they want and this is all based on pure unalderterated science and we know scientist are never wrong, not even the one's that get paid due to the proof of "Global Warming" and the fact that funding of  studies, related field trips and salaries would disappear if Global Warming didn't exist.  

I recall when Pluto was a planet, reading about the time it was illegal to deny the Earth being flat and if you did the "Authority" of the day would burn you at the stake.  Writing that the Earth revolved around the sun would get you jailed and labeled a heretic.  Don't even consider "Evolution".  Either side of that coin, depending on your audience you are either going to burn in hellfire or a some ignorant zealot.  

Yes I believe man has the power to control the heavens, the oceans, the sky's etc...  Wow the ego man has....

What if, like the dinosaur, the Polar Bear was actually meant to go extinct for whatever reason.  What if we were meant to evolve into growing a 6th digit on each hand for reaons we can't comprehend now.  We won't know because we view it as an imperfection and it's our duty to remove thus never allowing the natural evolution of nature and mankind which will prevent us from being able to survive as a species 500 years from now.  No, man couldn't make those errors in judgement.  We know best in the moment about all things.  

Now that does sound totally absurd. The folly of man... 

 

 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:38 | 4315592 Flakmeister
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I didn't know that Time Magazine was the definative source for climate science...

\facepalm

PS AGW was predicted in 1896...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:12 | 4315781 notadouche
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When did "predicting" and "proving" become interchangeable?   Math is pure.  Science, not so much as it is a prisoner of the scientist and the moment.

At one time it was predicted that if you went too far out in the ocean you would fall right off the edge of the Earth and it was heresy to suggest otherwise.   

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:40 | 4315935 Flakmeister
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This passes as sophistry on epistemology? My, this site has slipped a long way...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 14:54 | 4316196 notadouche
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We must think alike somehow because I was thinking the exact same thing.  If you want to analyze the current state of the sophistry on epistemology  just look to the masters.  The politicians, the politics and the "journalistic" media as they have no doubt shown the way for many decades in order to formulate a narrative in the manner they wish it to be considered.   Don't blame me sir, I didn't start this downward spiral you elude to.    

It says something about a person when they are flabbergasted that their version of the truth isn't allowed to be questioned.  A person of knowledge remains a skeptic their entire life lest he be the victim of carpetbaggers, shell games, Madoff ponzi schemes, or perhaps a science that is proved the affirmative in the minds of it's benefactors by every single state of weather, whether it be hot or cold or dry or wet or windy.  A science that's very lifeblood depends on the taxing of the masses, one that is so certain of doom if a thing be done, they allow THAT VERY CAUSE OF DOOM be done by the highest bidders.  Well sir I will gladly be skeptical of the messenger for sure, as well as question the message.  

That powerful odor you smell is the smell of MENDACITY.   A scientist that has all of the security of honest science to the affirmative and is secure in that honest science, never feels threatened by being questioned, challenged or disbelieved nor does he feel the need to belittle and insult the nonbeliever, never fudges numbers, obscures data and engages in forms of sabatoge, then ok.  However when the course of his livelihood via tax dollars be threatened by the healthy skeptic,  then let the Hunger Games begin.  Or I could question why the foremost authority on this happens to be politicians lining their pockets at a pace not likely seen before or since. (Al Gore, you know the astrophysicist PHD String Theory genius former senator from Tennessee)

In much more simple terms, gee I'm sorry that I no longer believe it's raining when your pissing on me.  As GW Bush so eloquently stated "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...eh uh er uh hmmm er uh... You don't get fooled again.  Heh heh heh"

 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:49 | 4316798 Flakmeister
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Another person long on sophistry and short on facts...

Science is not decided in a courthouse, though you seem to believe that it should be...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:25 | 4317187 notadouche
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No I believe it is in reality while it most definitely should not be.  For you to make that statement then we most definitely "have a failure to communicate" as my entire post have been about the bastardization of science.  Wow, really or are you being intentionally obtuse?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:41 | 4317243 Flakmeister
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They only reason there is a failure to communicate is that a small minority with vested interests in the trillions of dollars willingly sell fear, uncertainty and doubt...

That is where you will find your mendacity.

And if you feel you have been misunderstood, then by all means learn to be pithier and to the point. This is not the Oxford debating society...

BTW, anybody who uses Al Gore as rhetorical device is flashing a giant tell as to where their motives lie. So don't play games...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:59 | 4317293 notadouche
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Your first thought is agreeable not that you need my affirmation.

As far as "Oxford debating society", ironic coming from "Mr. the lowering of the bar on ZH. the sephosity of epistemology..." Really?  

Gore is an easy target due to the hundreds of millions of dollars he has made off of the "science" of climate change yet he has no scientific expertise.  I don't play games though I may be guilty of going after low hanging fruit.   Was my GW Bush insult also giant tell?  What is this "tell" you think you see?   I will go ahead and tell you my "tell".  I don't trust politicians.  I don't trust politicians that pretend to be experts in scientific fields when they are generally lawyers or political science majors or are simple legacy politicians.  I don't trust anyone that blindly follows or supports a politician or political party and assumes "their side" is always right while the other side is always wrong.  An impossibility that seems lost to many.

Gore happens to fit in a couple of those boxes by the way.  

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:31 | 4318027 Flakmeister
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Re: Al, you doth protest too much me thinks....

Finally, I have zero patience for quibbling given the general rancor of climate discussion here...This is not the place to hash out subtleties in measuring equilibrium climate sensitivity...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:44 | 4317241 notadouche
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Yet another person incapable of respecting another persons opinion when it appears to differ from their own and can't handle it, then reduce themselves to veiled insults as you have done.  Very typical ploy so it's not surprising.  I wonder,  when engaged in debate with someone if you raise your voice in an attempt to shout them down as your main tactic?  

I believe science is all too often decided in a courthouse or by the "authority" of the time while it most definitely should not be.  It should be pure, much like the math that is most often the main tool used for scientific discovery or at least theory forumlation.  Science does change based on knowledge and new information but it shouldn't be molded by greed and power.  For you to make the statement above then we unequivocally "have a failure to communicate".  My posts in their entirety have been about the bastardization of science.  Wow, really, that's what you've taken from my posts or are you being intentionally obtuse?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 18:50 | 4317262 Flakmeister
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Quit appearing to be an apologist for those here that deny the scientific findings on the basis of ideology and we may be on to something...

BTW, this is no place for subtleties, in case you haven't noticed...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 19:12 | 4317327 notadouche
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This may be too subtle for you but you sir are exhausting if nothing else.  

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:33 | 4315886 notadouche
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Yeah it was just before Al Gore took over the title.  

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 12:54 | 4315687 tony wilson
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john

john

yer

how do we get out of this situation some things gotta give no.

fuck um we just keep tavistock in um.

contstant flux constant change.

operation gladio reborn 

haarp the the motherfuckers.

GLOBAL warming show biz show CHANGE UM

satanic cern polar vortex the fuckers into the ground.

keep um runnin on that little gerbel wheel around and around.

keep um busy

so we can go on rapin and sacrificing the missing children into the baphomet vortex

 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:01 | 4315724 Flakmeister
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Psst... I think you forgot your meds...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:17 | 4315804 tony wilson
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flake meister

tell me about the ideas behind operation gladio?

tell me why frank kitson techniques are in such demand today.

better still just chill in front of the freaky weather and new terrorist threat news you fuckin zombie.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:26 | 4315851 notadouche
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The insurance company probably, suddenly and without warning, stopped covering them even though they still take the premiums.  

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:14 | 4315789 tony wilson
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lovely satanick sim bull

frozen niagra

like the snake eating itself full circle

niagra tesla electricity

frozan niagra telsla haarp weapon

fuck you masonics

fuck you satan

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 13:25 | 4315842 Professorlocknload
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If you're going to live in a refrigerator, don't bitch about ice.

 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 15:15 | 4316263 MeelionDollerBogus
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silly preppers! stocking up on silly things like water - who could ever run out of water? and food and gold and such ... bitcoins, treasuries & ever-flowing water for the win!
oh wait...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 16:10 | 4316565 Notarocketscientist
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The sooner humans are wiped off this planet the better - we are a cancer. 

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