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White (And Black) Men Can't...Work

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There is the full-time vs part-time jobs debacle, the questions over job-quality, the "no country for young workers" problem, and Bernanke's "born-again jobs scam," but nowhere is the real 'recovery' in American jobs less evident than in the actual number of employed males...


(h/t @Not_Jim_Cramer)

Tomorrow's non-farm-payrolls data is once again the most important (and noise-prone manipulated) data item in the world - but few (aside from us) will be paying attention to the ongoing plunge in the labor force...


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Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:05 | 4317469 starfcker
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that chart is actually the inverse of employed chinese and bangladeshi children.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:12 | 4317496 satoshi101
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Jealousy will get you no where in this debate.

Under stand that the US consumer is filled to the gill with SHIT.

The ASIA still lacks just about everything imaginable, the factorys are being built where the consumption takes place.

The USA is dead, and ASIA is booming.


Get over it, and deal with it.

The USA was a post WWII fluke, last man standing with manufacturing intact, since the 1960's nobody has invested a dime in US manufacturing other than maybe INTEL for proprietery reason in the USA,

The USA not long ago was a PENAL COLONY when it began, and that is what it has returned.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:32 | 4317566 nmewn
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I believe you're thinking Australia on the penal colony thingy.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:46 | 4317621 satoshi101
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Penal colony - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -... "British Convicts Shipped to American Colonies", American Historical ... ** The USA was always a PENAL COLONY, the USA will return to a PENAL COLONY, deal with reality. . After the American Revolution, Britain had to find somewhere else to send its prisoners.
They sent them to AUSTRAILIA,

But prior to the USA REVOLUTION the world sent its criminals to the USA. The USA has the highest rate of HOMOCIDE in the world. WHY? Because the USA DNA going back to the 1600's is of rapists, murderers, and baby fuckers.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:04 | 4317705 NoDebt
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You're welcome.


Fri, 01/10/2014 - 06:12 | 4318698 Advoc8tr
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Once a penal colony always a penal colony .... What's your excuse Mr Satoshi.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 08:21 | 4318768 90's Child
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I maybe a little late to get into the debate.


I'm a lead operator for a manufacturing company which has been around since 1917 based out of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.

Yearly we growth 4%-5% with some plants "polyiso" seeing 25% - 50% within the past few years.

With the area I work around 'TPO' we get contracts all over Asia for 10 million+ square feet a handful of times a year.

Asia may produce more quantity wise in electronics and what not but the majority of the quality is shit.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:15 | 4317752 rosiescenario
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"highest rate of HOMOCIDE" there's a useful word.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:34 | 4317820 kaiserhoff
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Run a flag pole up it, and see who salutes.

Not that you could get good data, but I would love to see some graphics on those who are unemployable due to drug habits or because the are "involved with the system" - constantly in and out of jail.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:41 | 4317853 Freddie
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I think that Satoshi guy has a fixation with penile.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:10 | 4318110 boogerbently
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HOORAY for "homocide" !

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:31 | 4317810 TheMerryPrankster
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America was a Penis Colony, hence the founding fathers. all real patriots have a kickstand.

Now its an Unemployed Penis Colony.We're all dicked...

How about some trade tarriffs? can't hurt, things are all ready totally fucked. lets put up some barriers that might make domestic production rise and self sufficiency return to the homeland.

there's some Homeland Security for you. What if we built our own cars, electronics, clothes, you know the stuff we need to survive as a society and what if we paid the people that made things like these a decent wage so they could afford to buy the things they make.

Radical fucking idea spouting the rhetoric of Henry Ford from a hundred years ago. America has become a shithole of brainwashed zombies, I really understand how and why we got here and I don't see it changing in my lifetime.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:54 | 4317914 satoshi101
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America has become a shithole of brainwashed zombies, I really understand how and why we got here and I don't see it changing in my lifetime.


So what do we do about it?

I chose to exit, but if you stay, what do you do? where do you hide?


When the bullets start flying they go in all directions, you got to out and get food&water, and that's when the zombies get you, not a nice way to live.

The zombies certainly make up +80% of ZH, sadly :(


Fri, 01/10/2014 - 05:43 | 4318684 The Final Straw
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Japanese innovation: the latest strains of antibiotic resistant gonorrhea, eye licking and Mr. Satoshi.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 08:32 | 4318793 MilwaukeeMark
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satoshi .. your mom's calling you upstairs for dinner.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:35 | 4317821 MrTouchdown
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Turns out a lot of immigrants showed up AFTER this period of time. We've been getting immigrants this whole time! We're not like Japan.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:51 | 4318070 KnightTakesKing
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Your shtick is getting old, douchbag.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:09 | 4318108 boogerbently
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Called your bluff, A-HOLE>

Clicked on the link, your whole comment is a lie.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:23 | 4318143 Tim_
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I think satoshi101 posted under a different account that he "used" to work for the NSA, but I can't find the link. Does anyone else remember that?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:46 | 4317627 TeamDepends
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Like we're jealous of dog eaters!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:53 | 4317656 DaveyJones
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i think he's barking up the wrong tree

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:58 | 4317683 satoshi101
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They only eat dog in Vietnam.


In the USA they screw the pooch, but I don't hear anybody in ASIA talking about it, ... funny that you brought up the dogs, ... must have known you would have got me going.

In asia its always easy to get laid, in the USA its a fucking hassle that guys returning from the MIL service of killing arabs/persians take up their pitbull as a concubine, ... I can tell you that nobody is doing this in CHINA, sure a dog that ends up in VIETNAM is fucked. But most places in ASIA love dogs and in CHINA, well they're like PANDA's they're cute and loveable, but NOT fuckable.

[ Korea eats dog too, dogs get collected all over asia, and generally shipped by the black-market (in BTC) transported to Vietnam, but Vietnam is wild, they also eat all the endangered species of asia, taboo everywhere else, KING COBRA, MONKEY-BRAINS, LEMUR ]

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:50 | 4317895 Boondocker
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obviously you haven't been to the PI

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 22:23 | 4321669 The Final Straw
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There is a saying in Korea: "Chinese will eat anything with 4 legs, except the table, and anything with 2 wings, except an airplane." Chinese eat both dogs and cats. My friend has eaten cobra and scorpions in China.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 03:32 | 4318587 buttmint
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Team Dee..funny, I just wrapped up a 1100km bicycle trip through parts of VietNam, Laos and Thailand. When I cleared out of the boonies, I remarked off handedly to a buddy "...ya know, I did not seen many dogs up north. In fact....." and my words trailed off, finally realizing that Fido is quite tasty and it called "pao si dam" here. Black BBQ. You'd eat it as well, it is delicious. You raise dogs here much like rabbits in Michiogan backyards. 

I have BBQ'd rat (noo yang) and lotsa bugs. All goes well with cold brewskis. Asians are amazingly fit and walk EVERYWHERE. Like 5-10km per day. The women flip out and starve themselves if they have balooned from 34 to 35 kgs. You smile, weight scales are everywhere.

This past Christmas, I looked out at the partying throngs and chuckled "..Thailand is a UN of sanook and all people's of the world---except for white western women."

Satochi is Asian, you can read it in his sentence structure. Do not knock Asia until you have lived and breathed the promise land for 4-5 years.

Complainers are just lazy azzhats that couldn't make it to Asia. No passport keyboard warriors. If you alight Asia, you will be amply rewarded. Come with no set schedule, just arrive and learn to live.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:58 | 4317927 Tim_
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Intel has two factories in "Israel."

Intel to build USD 4 billion factory

"Second plant in southern city of Kiryat Gat would employ 2,000; company to receive USD 525 million from government"

Intel Israel to Spend $2.7 Billion on Factory Upgrade in Kiryat Gat

"Intel, whose processors run more than 80 percent of the world’s personal computers, currently employs 7,057 people in Israel and plans to add another 1,000 in 2011, Fassberg said. The company is one of Israel’s largest private-sector employers."

AMD's manufacturing spin-off just built a factory in Saratoga County, NY.

Fab 8 Overview

"With high volume production in full swing in early 2013, Fab 8 will be the most advanced semiconductor fab in the world and is expected to create more than 1,600 new direct jobs."

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:08 | 4317961 Buck Johnson
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You may be right satoshi101.  We essentially was the last man standing after WWII in regard to manufacturing.  And so we where able to build and build until the rest of the world started to build and also innovate again.  And so what is happening is that our manufacturing is going or gone and then what we have left is an experimental thesis that failed.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:23 | 4317530 Bastiat
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Those jobs have been sucked:

Twenty Years of NAFTA's Sucking Sound:  (see the first chart: Cumulative Jobs Exported)

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:56 | 4317672 DaveyJones
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and the TPP makes NAFTA look like a protection act

and its secret...except for the trans corporate boys ...who are writing it of course

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:02 | 4317693 pitz
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NAFTA's just a drop in the bucket compared to the million Indian nationals imported on the H-1B visa and other visas that are occupying high-paid (ie: $100k/year) jobs in the IT and scientific sector.  While Americans in those sectors are heavily unemployed.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:50 | 4318069 Yenbot
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And the remaining low paid jobs? Outsourced via ODESK to Bangladesh...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:55 | 4317663 chubbar
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Well, things are looking up if you are a black student. Apparently Obama isn't content with just dumbing down the curriculum, he wants to make sure that minority students grow up to be completely undisciplined as well.

"Obama’s Department of Justice, under career race-baiter Eric Holder, issued a stark warning for schools across the country. It’s time to end the “racial disparity” in classrooms. Apparently, it is now “racist” to single out black students for misbehaving in the classroom. No longer is it acceptable to punish a black student, or other minority student, for behaviors that would negate suspension or strong disciplinary action. Thus, this only proves how racist the Department of Justice is in its deliberate manipulation of school policy. This is all about balancing the scales. Go easy on black students because they’re unfairly targeted, but punish other well behaving students to “even the playing field.” Obama’s Department of Justice is a nightmare, and the blame lies squarely on his shoulder’s and his comrade in arms, Eric Holder.



The Obama Administration’s singular accomplishment, besides igniting the vile flames of Islam both at home and abroad, is stoking perceived “racial tension.” For it was the Department of Justice that deliberately got involved in the George Zimmerman case, in order to make an example of him. What was the aim? To fan the flames of racial discord and create perceived tyranny for blacks at the hands of whites. In the process, they also wanted to go after guns “stand your ground” laws. The Obama Administration does not do anything without a motive. In perpetual race baiting, they can control the masses. Thus, the Department of Justice inserts itself in perceived “racial disparity” in schools, creating yet another mythical lie that blacks are unfairly singled out in schools for no reason other than race.

Attorney General Eric Holder said the recommendations were meant to protect the civil rights of students, and disrupt the so-called “school-to-prison pipeline.” Civil rights advocates have long said that overly zealous school discipline policies target black and Hispanic students, pulling them out of schools and into the court system.

“Each year, significant numbers of students miss class due to suspensions and expulsions – even for minor infractions of school rules – and students of color and with disabilities are disproportionately impacted,” the Justice Department said in a news release. “The guidance package provides resources for creating safe and positive school climates, which are essential for boosting student academic success and closing achievement gaps.”

In other words, schools should stop punishing minority students for disciplinary infractions. If a student disobeys school rules, he or she should be punished in the appropriate manner, regardless of skin color. Only Obama’s Department of Justice would dare imply that it is “racist” to punish students of color for general infractions."


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:40 | 4317845 mumbo_jumbo
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this is exactly what happened to the baby trey trey, he was busted but not charged to make the numbers look better.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:07 | 4317952 starfcker
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busted several times. i heard a black male teacher from miami norland high explode at the school board over that policy. and heard superintendant carravallo (fla. super of the year) try to pretend there are two sides to that debate. liberal toad

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:05 | 4317470 stant
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Keep the bitches working bitchez

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:20 | 4317519 666
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Why should anyone bother to work when the gubmint will pay you a better "wage" just to stay home?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:31 | 4317813 toady
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Ain't no love in the pimp game bitches.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:09 | 4317477 ebworthen
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I'm raising my hand.

Turned down by:  a doezen different Federal agencies, J.C Penney, Lowe's, K-Mart, Miele, local school districts, State government, and assorted local businesses.  Full-time and part-- time.  Several of these were $8.25/hour, several others $10-$12/hour, and others were $80K+/year that I'm qualified for.

Recovery my ASS.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:21 | 4317521 koncaswatch
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I've been watching your struggle for some time on ZH. Stay in the batter's box ebworthen. When things are as bad as they are now, and about to get worse; remember to network like crazy. At this point it's not what you know but who you know that will land you your next job. Good Luck to you.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:47 | 4318180 ghengis86
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Eb, if you're in the Chicagoland area let me know and I've got a spot for you. Not $80k, not $8.75 but full time and decent bennies.

We'll call it the Fight Club Network

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:33 | 4317567 ZH11
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Abandon the 'batter's box' ebworthen.

A system that's abandoned your existence should be as contemptuously abandoned by yourself.

The above shows only one thing has changed in America and indeed all westernised countries, that is, black or white doesn't matter that much anymore, you'll all be fucked over in exactly the same manner.

It's time for another Servile War, this time for one that can be won.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:41 | 4317603 Professorlocknload
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FWIW, 5 or 6 recessions back, 1978?, I was in that dilemma. Printed up some cards, bought some used tools and did my own thing. Figured I could be just as unemployed walking the streets passing out cards.

Never looked back.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:23 | 4317777 TheMerryPrankster
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Boris has a nice outfit doing urban copper reclamation. Then there's the sudafed to meth chemistry set that can turn 25$ worth of cold tablets into gold

The new businessman doesn't have time for regulations, he doesn't need a storefront or a physical presence in the market place, all he needs are ideas and actions.

Look at twitter, positively astoundingly stupid idea worth billions on paper. No way anyone could possibly copy Twitter, I mean who would post to a site the only allowed say 42 letters per post or words or whatever their self-imposed limit is.

I'm just sayin, no one gets rich workin for the man you got be jackin up somethin to get by in AmeriKa, fatcats be jackin washington DC riding the revolvin door.

Slimcats be like thats all wrong I can't be doing this or that or the other thing, meanwhile the fatcats be jackin the slimcats with payday loans and worthless degrees and pawnshop deeds.

look around you the darkness is falling - find the light before the fatcats find you.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:54 | 4317661 Miffed Microbio...
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Hang on Eb. I'm very sympathetic and know how hard it is now especially for men. This is no consolation but healthcare looks very shaky now and heavily occupied by women. These stats may change to the shock of some very comfortable women I know.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:57 | 4317674 WhackoWarner
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I wish you good fortune 2014.  Pray it turns around for someone clearly willing to support their life.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:05 | 4317712 Mariposa de Oro
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Have you tried here?  I sent you a contact if you want to ask me about it.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:44 | 4318181 Blano
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Same here eb.  So I'm trying to figure out my own way.  Can't hurt at this point.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 01:19 | 4318415 ebworthen
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Thank's all, and God Bless.

I will endeavor and follow leads, appreciate it all.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 01:41 | 4318447 Freddie
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I am not sure what your skills are but check out LinkedIn for areas you might have skills in.   Also is a job aggregation portal that has lots of jobs hopefully in some area you can get to. 

I think some of the stuff posted on the web is bullshit phantom jobs.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:08 | 4317478 satoshi101
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This was all predicted back in the 1980's automation.

Essentially every job is and has been automated, the doctors and lawyers are all that is left,

GOOGLE just bought BOSTON-ROBOTICS so they can expedite ROBOT-COP's

The real question, is that given less than 50% will have jobs in the future, what do you do with the people? Or how do they entertain themselves?

Historially kids had to be kept off the street, you sent them to war, or to college.

Now the kids have no where to go.

JOBS ain't ever coming back folks, get over it, and I don't give a fuck what you do, its going to be automated.

A correct debate in this forum on ZH, is what do we do with the unemployed?

1.) Kill them

2.) eat them

3.) send them to a war

4.) enslave them in FEMA camps to make something? But what?

These are real questions that ELITES (PTB) have to ask themselves everyday.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:11 | 4317490 ebworthen
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5.) Give them AR-15's, hempen rope, noose tying directions, and transportation to New York, Washington, & the Hamptons.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:20 | 4317520 satoshi101
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This 'them' their only skill is video games and making selfie youtube mini-me porn. I doubt that todays USA kids would do anything with an AR-15 other than take it to there high-school and get even with bully's. Just saying.

I can also tell you that every RICH in the USA is behind "gated community's" armed to the teeth. The little pussy USA child of today, wouldn't even get near the gates.

Also fucking stupid to arm children and send them to kill the 'rich' why? Cuz they won and you lost? Why don't you go  to the havens of wealth and take out some 'winners'? Rather than sending a child to do a mans job?

I'm not PICKING on anybody here, I just want people to THINK.

Do we have a problem? FUCK YES. Did we see this problem coming FUCK YES. CAN something be done? Yes, get the fuck out of the USA, survival within the USA is impossible.

I'll folllow your logic, "KILL THE RICH", its a bullshit, you can kill the rich in abstraction, but guess what it will NOT bring the jobs back,



The problem is  the USA is dead, everything that could be stolen, was stolen pre-1980's, and now the USA is printing paper-fiat to the moon, as long as they can get away with it, and someday could be months or years its all going to implode the WORLD will refuse this toilet paper, then the OIL quits flowing and the shops have no food and then its  CANNIBALISM in 3-7 day's.

This bitch is going down, this late in the game there is no fault finding.

What is going to happen is ONE BIG FUCKING RESET, and that means at least 20 million people will die, ... but will they be the rich? Fuck no, they will be the same people who always die in civil wars, those who didn't have the means to escape before the shooting started.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:26 | 4317537 shepherd
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Yeah, get out of the USA.

The problem is, we don't want you either.

It's not as if other peoples are eagerly waiting for fat ass americans coming and squatting on non-american land.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:37 | 4317581 satoshi101
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As a student of the holocaust, people dont' realize that post 1938, nobody, and I mean NOBDOY would accept the Jews, you had to bail, post 1932, but those who denied their own eyes, got fucked and hard post 1938 nazi germany,

Here in the USA 911, was our 1932, and 1938 me thinks is when HILLARY gets elected cuz she is one murderous bitch, and she will unleash the FEMA/DHA army of hell upon the people, and the people will flee, but guess what?

Those walls down on the MEXICAN border, they're not to keep mexicans out, they're to KEEP YOU IN.


You got to get out early, cuz once the gates are SHUT.

FUCK yes, nobody wants POOR lazy americans, .. NOBODY on earth wants the FREE-SHIT-ARMY to come and sponge their SOIL.

GOOD fucking point,



Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:39 | 4317596 shepherd
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Lol. The holocaust. Got other shit to sell?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:42 | 4317610 Bastiat
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He's definitely right about Hillary.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:52 | 4317653 satoshi101
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Hillary MURDERED her lover VINCE-FOSTER with her own hands, ... does anyone here actually think she gives a rat's ass about human life? Especially MALE-HUMANS?


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:14 | 4317746 TheMerryPrankster
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if you're pissing your pants over a fat, over the hill bottled blonde who can barely waddle to the dessert table, I'm not certain you have the intestinal fortitude for the upcoming carnage.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 00:00 | 4317889 Freddie
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I stopped listening to people like Limbaugh when he started sucking up to the pro-amnesty RINOs like Rubio and Ryan plus Hannity and Levin. Operation Mockingbird puppets as bad as Ed Schultz.  After 2012 they were told to toe the line by the alphabet agencies.

Conservatives wring there hands in fear over Hillary.  They shouldn't.  She is weak, old, fat and cannot give a speech with that grating Chicago accent.  Obama is a See Eye A puppet but they taught him NLP to hypnotize idiots who watch TV. This includes anyone posting here who still supports TV with their viewership.

Fat Christies is being borked.  The RINOs will try to run fat Jeb Bush.  The Republicans will beat themselves if they run another RINO or the elites pick the RINO.  It does not matter because voting is a joke. 

Maybe Rand Paul should run as an independent.  I doubt it matters because the alphabet spy agencies run Amerika for the elites.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:51 | 4317650 satoshi101
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A holocaust is coming to the USA, I see it, don't you?

You can see it everywhere, they're manufacturing black on white, white on black as we speak.


TPTB is going to solve the EMPLOYMENT problem, its going to be by reset.

Look to IRAN/IRAQ war 1980's the USA/CIA engineered a civil war between IRAN-IRAQ that killed over 10 million men.

You think that the CIA/NSA isn't going to do the same here? To engineer a race-war where 10-20 million black-white kill each other?

It's coming.

Like  the stupid POST black/white job's, not having a job don't have  fuck to do with your color.

I have said it for years, and I'll say it again, I saw cops murdering blacks everyday as a child growing up in WATTS(EAST LA), and nobody every gave a fuck, an now the cops are killing whites, ... who could have guessed.

MALCOLM-X called it "Just a case of chickens coming home to roost".


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:11 | 4317970 starfcker
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that may be your best post yet, satoshi. the killer hiller one is pretty good too

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:47 | 4317879 mumbo_jumbo
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that was a tough read and borderline senseless...WTF

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:37 | 4317590 Bastiat
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"at least 20 million people will die" 

Just about the number Bill Ayers had in mind.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:25 | 4318147 toady
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That's just too low... to get to aa somewhat sustainable level I'm thinking 4-5 billion worldwide. 150-200 million in North America.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:38 | 4317594 TheMeatTrapper
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...survival within the USA is impossible.


Keep telling yourself that. Hopefully anybody stupid enough to listen to your bullshit will leave. 

Meanwhile, down here in Alabama, a country boy WILL survive - and do quite well as a matter of fact. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:00 | 4317688 TeamDepends
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Hmmm, can't upvote you.  A few years ago, for a few seconds, we thought about fleeing.  Then we realized that is the way of the pansy.  We will stay right here and fight to restore the Constitution.  If we go down at least we'll take a few commie/fascist sumbitches with us.  Don't tread on me!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:11 | 4317732 TheMerryPrankster
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Plus all the Malls are here and we get great reception on our cable.

The 3rd world is so tacky and the bathrooms are terrible.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:15 | 4317497 Dr. Destructo
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Could we have them in the FEMA camps (bakeries), have them bake cakes, for them to eat afterwards?

I personally think they'd be great for war, but a war against TPTB. Nobody fights harder than someone who is piss-drunk mad at the elite with nothing to lose.

*looks at my bank account*...So where do I sign up?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:17 | 4317506 SteveGennisonBa...
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I lost my job of 7 years in IT sales a year and a half ago.  I exhausted UE, and have 3 semesters left to become an RN.  Hopefully those jobs dont disappear as well.  I dont see how most healthcare professions can be automated, but I am no longer certain of anything.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:20 | 4317518 Osmium
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Hope everything works out for you. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:24 | 4317533 Xibalba
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3D printing will make the movies 5th Element, or more recently Elysium, seem prophetic.   

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:32 | 4317561 satoshi101
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3d printing for cheap plastic junk,

There are 3d printers that can print exotics metals but these printers are 100's of millions of dollars,

But I hear you, eventually when the price come down, an auto or a airplane will be 'printed' and robots will assemble the components.

We all saw this coming, ... I certainly did,

We had a song, anybody here remember this song

"In the year 2020 man's arms at his side, ... man with nothing do, ... no reason to walk, or move... no reason to have sex, ... no reason to get off his ass"


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:19 | 4317761 BooMushroom
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Bread and circuses, same as it ever was.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:38 | 4317836 Robinhood
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You are by far the biggest fucking idiot I've seen posting here! Keep pull the shit out of your ass and you'll be a politician in no time!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:49 | 4317888 mumbo_jumbo
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LOL, 3d 'printing' has been around for over 30 years and makes zero fucking sense when trying to produce a million parts.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:32 | 4317814 JuliaS
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Detroit is gonna 3D print itself back to prosperity... any moment now... just give it another minute... just another minute!

Oh, and bitcoin! Yeah!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:27 | 4317542 satoshi101
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All medical jobs will be automated, the doctor job is one of the easiest to automate. Artificial inteligence engines now exist that exceed knowledge of even the specialist in all fields. Robot's can now do surgery better than humans.

Of course there will always be people needed to change bed pan's.

Again, I'm not here to pick on people, or insult them I just want somebody to think about our problems,

If you work in medical, go find a job in a rural area that can't afford to buy automation equipment, then you'll know that your job is safe, but in the URBAN areas almost all the medical jobs will be automated. Because they have the money to do so.


What job's are safe from AUTOMATION, none even a TEACHER will be automated.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:45 | 4317617 ZH11
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What a complete load of old bollocks.

A robot can't tactfully break the terrible news of a terminal illness, can't sit with people to explain things with compassion, cannot weigh up the intangibles in their patient to come to a non-linear diagnosis.

If it can be proved that even petting a dog when you're ill can lead to feeling better to dismiss humans in healthcare in such a way is completely insane.

Computers and robots are to serve humanity not to kill off humans.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:04 | 4317704 Uncle Remus
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Tact? Compassion? WTF is that?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:42 | 4317860 satoshi101
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There seems to be lots of tact and compassion on ZH, but it will not make money, or feed a family, or start a family.

We must deal with reality and truth.

Sure if your a politician by all means be tactful, and compassionate in public.


The problem with this forum, is that its 90% self-pity, and contempt for anybody that is not lazy.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:36 | 4318039 ZH11
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“Madness is badness of spirit, when one seeks profit from all sources”
Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:08 | 4317720 TheMerryPrankster
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"Computers and robots are to serve humanity not to kill off humans"

that only works while the humans are building and programming the devices, when the devices are building the devices, their biases might change a bit.

All life suceeds by dominating and exterminating, biological or electro-mechanical, the path is clear.

The Neanderthal thought they were invincible I'm sure. Never let wishful thinking stand in the way of understanding something, or you will be leading a life of surprises...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:10 | 4317730 layman_please
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Doctors have already become emotionally as unattached as robots. Not that your expectations are wrong but please look around, you live in a crazy world. Obamacare should be proof enough. And nothing in contemporary economy services humanity, period.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:37 | 4317833 vortmax
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I see you've never had an Asian doctor..

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:03 | 4317947 Freddie
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Dude - I appreciated your post until I got to this part:

Computers and robots are to serve humanity not to kill off humans.

Google and the N*S*A are SkyNet.   Google is buying militarized robt companies.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:23 | 4317527 666
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"A correct debate in this forum on ZH, is what do we do with the unemployed?"

We can take the really stoopid ones and turn them into politicians.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:16 | 4317987 rosiescenario
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...only if they are also psycopaths....

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:25 | 4317536 Grosvenor Pkwy
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Humans have a very important job to do: transporting cell phones from place to place. Otherwise, cell phones would need legs to move around, and to be able to find a wall socket to plug themselves into. Much more convenient to let the human do it.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 13:01 | 4317828 JuliaS
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Look up lectures by Alexander Bard on social development. He pointed out while ago that a human + cell phone is what acually means to be human nowdays. In other words, it's actually a single being - a piece of electronics with fat and muscle tissue wrapped around.

He equaties it to metaphisical union between man and nature prior to organized religion and then to men + god equation. Cell phone is no longer an accessory - it's a body part without which one's practically an invalid.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:37 | 4317832 GeezerGeek
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Cute. It reminds me of the old tale about how chickens are what eggs use to reproduce. Everything turned inside out.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:26 | 4317540 Bastiat
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Not just the anonymous force of technological progress, Automation but the great sucking of labor and environmental law and standard of living arbitrage brought to us by NAFTA.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:38 | 4317588 Bobportlandor
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2.428.160.000.000 acres in the good old USA

I figure my share is 809,386 AC

So since I'm not greedy either give me 100 acres or pay me 25 cents a acre per year for rent.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:47 | 4317628 Icantstopthinki...
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Thomas Paine had a modest proposal.


Jello Biafra wrote a song about it.


...Atlast we have more room to play...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:10 | 4317969 Freddie
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Thomas Paine had a modest proposal.

Jello Biafra wrote a song about it.


Police Truck?

California Uber Alles?

I forgot they riffed on that corrupt dumb f**k Jerry Brown the first time around.

What a state of idiots who voted in Jerry and his old man 4 times!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:11 | 4317485 One And Only
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Smart men don't work.

Smart men find women with jobs and sandwich making skills and get them pregnant.

I am a man and an ardent supporter of the feminist movement.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:11 | 4317733 WhackoWarner
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You lie.  Not one bit of you supports women in any fashion except as a leech.

My house?  You would be in the ditch in 2 seconds.  Me and the baby. We would be fine without your brand of idiocy.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:11 | 4317491 TheAnswerIs42
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72% White vs 67% Black.

Must have Promise Zone!


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:22 | 4317526 QQQBall
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IF you back out welfare office workers, DMVs and postal workers, the black percentage is near zero. Seriously, w/o gov't jobs, blacks be on the other side of the other side of the bulletproof glass

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:25 | 4317535 Xibalba
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you forgot the TSA

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:02 | 4317694 TheMerryPrankster
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Obama is the best  President for Promises, delivering on those promises is doubtful.

Hope and change. Closing Gitmo, most transparent presidency evahhhh!!!

It would be a joke if it weren't our lives at stake.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:42 | 4317861 GeezerGeek
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If you like your Promise, you can keep it. Period.

If you like your illusions, you can keep them too.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:15 | 4317501 new game
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i am on that chart. under employeed and my wife soon to be looking and unemployeed.

nice fucking recovery. jobs fucking galore if you want to peel gum off the sidewalk.

not entirely whinning as we will be ok, but surely changing how retirement will be viewed at 57 years of age.

this whole joke called bubble nomics is fucking getting real old fast. i am pretty sure i am not alone on this.  ready to piss on someones leg and dare him or her to do something about it...

pretty sure that someone will walk away fast and realize this guy has some serious pent up anger, and that would be ok by me to.  otherwise, piss on a politicians face if you can and walk away, you said enough so i am sure he or she would understand the sentiment.

just pissen...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:15 | 4317504 Nic3456
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Does this graph take into account the changing life longevity since the 50s? (Meaning a significant increase in the number of retired guys) - may not make a huge differnece in the numbers but I would like to see.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:29 | 4317538 One And Only
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That would make it much better.

You see "retired guys" is exactly what this country needs. More over, we need them to live longer.

As with all ponzi schemes you're taking from one group to give to another. When the group we're taking from is shrinking (young productive people) to provide for the other growing group who is living longer (retired leaching folk), a recipe for success is most certainly not in the mix.

(hence why immigration is being pushed...we need a new demographic of worker slaves to feed the ponz)

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:59 | 4317686 TheMerryPrankster
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Arsenic in the Viagra is part of Obamacare, check page 798, paragraph b, subsection 32.7 - Entitled "limpdicks live longer"

The elderly will be dying in the saddle at an alarming rate going forward.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:09 | 4317966 GeezerGeek
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In my opinion immigration is not being pushed to provide a new demographic of worker slaves. After all, there are only so many jobs in the USSA. We already have a surplus of potential workers. Why, then, push immigration?

First, perhaps, to justify higher taxes on existing workers and theft via inflation for those with any savings - those who are or were (mostly) middle class, that is. Really, TPTB might say, how can anyone be so cruel to deny welfare, or whatever Sheila Dipstick Lee called it, to all those poor immigrants? Let's print (and debase) the currency to buy their votes...American sheeple won't mind!

Second, perhaps, immigrants from Asia and Latin America will weaken/dilute/destroy what is left of the America formed, however imperfectly, by the founders. Generally, Americans once believed in individual effort (I know, there are always those willing to game the system, but mostly people came to America to succeed on their own merits) but persons from other places bring a totally different mindset. Latin Americans (I worked with quite a few over the years) seem to have no trouble with rulers like we see throughout their history. They come here to escape someone like Chavez or Ortega and then vote for the American equivalent. (One friend, a Cuban, actually got caught up in the Bay of Pigs. Upon Obama's first election he said "If I wanted to live under communism I would have stayed in Cuba.") There is no doubt in my mind that Asians are hard workers, but they seem much less concerned with things like liberty. (That, at least, is my personal experience, having been married to a Chinese lady since 1982.) Destroying the America to which I referred is essential to the schemes of TPTB/NWO types.

Personally, I preferred America when it was a melting pot for cultures, even though citizens made it hard on successive immigrant groups. Eventually they learned English and got absorbed into the culture. Try saying that after walking around Hialeah, Fl. for a day or two. 

There are other facets of the current immigration debate to which I also object, I'll skip them, but firmly believe that immigration reform as proposed is not in the best interests of the American citizenry. And if I offended anyone, tough. I retain the right to offend anyone I want.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:34 | 4318162 hoos bin pharteen
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The real game is to create more FSA voters.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 03:40 | 4318597 starfcker
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great post GG. and HBP, how about just creating more FSA. they don't even care about voters at this point. the FSA is the mothers milk of the multi-nationals and the funding mechanism for globalization in general.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:18 | 4317512 gwar5
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I tried working for a living but there was no money in it.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:57 | 4317675 TheMerryPrankster
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And it takes up all your free time to boot.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:27 | 4317541 ZH11
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"Labor is more scarce than material factors of production."

"Mass unemployment is not proof of the failure of capitalism, but the proof of the failure of traditional union methods."

"There prevails on a free labor market a tendency toward full employment."

"The need of society for labor is never satisfied."

"It is not capitalism which is responsible for the evils of permanent mass unemployment, but the policy which paralyses its working."


Quite insane despite the 'praxis' of it's ideology.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:30 | 4317552 Seasmoke
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A lot of guys I know, the wife is the one working on the books. It's becoming the new normal. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:19 | 4317764 WhackoWarner
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Don't want to be an ass here but will risk this comment.  Women know how to survive. Or a good percentage do.

Last month a very good contract I had was terminated.  I am now looking for anything that pays.  I am qualified. I have great skills.  I will work for the sake of my family. I have no illusions. Never been able to afford illusions like my male counterparts.

Ever deal with 50% less wages? Glass ceilings?  May make you angry but it also makes you humble.  I have no illusions.  Work is work and money is money.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:28 | 4317800 starfcker
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you sound like your head is screwed on straight. some no nonsense women on this blog, no question. but there are legions of the clueless out there as well. two quotes off the local news recently. "i don't have to worry, if things get tough, i can fall back on my two masters degrees" and "if they take away my child care subsidy, i'll have to go on welfare". good luck with that

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:38 | 4317570 foodstampbarry
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Clearly the most important issue in America right now is a Fat Governor closing a highway... Clearly.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:55 | 4317662 TheMerryPrankster
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Only if you are a red team/blue team zombie with your television on 24/7 tuned into the matrix and beleiving its all real.

Otherwise he's just another corrupt fat fuck in a long long list of corrupt politician/businessmen/whores who have brought this country to its knees.

NSA please forward to Christy asap...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:37 | 4317586 boooyaaaah
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could it be that we cant handle innovation
because it lowers the cost and then the price
and loans are forward looking
Say you agree to pay 1,000 a month for
20 or 30 years, if innovation hits your profession you can no longer afford the
my father would tell me how the price
of corn or barley dropped during the great depression and put their farm in nebraska
out of business. with those prices they could hardley afford to harvest
the bottom just fell out
he and his brothers were early innovators
mechanized harvesters combines and all that. i think they were the geeks of that era
most farmers knew mules and horse power
later i read that an average size farm employed 20 hired hands . these were now not needed. because a ford tractor coud do so much. the unemployed hands migrated to the cities
then i read where the FDR admin was paying farmers to slaughter pigs to keep them off the market because therer were so many pigs that prices collapsed
the gov in an effort to stave off falling prices was doing every thing even destroying property
the fed today is trying to stave off falling prices by pumping up the banks and stock market
can anyone figure how to welcome falling prices like the USA did afyer the civil war?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:56 | 4317669 ZH11
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'We' are not in control of the innovations, nor do 'we' own these innovations.

They are the pinnacle of the 'Matthew Effect' in westernised countries where the 'we' are not part of the equation in assessing whether the innovation is put to use or not.

Machines don't talk back, don't have opinions of their own, don't get tired or ever say no. They are the wet dream of the capitalist, they are his future in which the last one of their class will be considered the winner when he owns everything but has nothing.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:34 | 4317819 satoshi101
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Thanks, for providing INTELLIGENT LIFE on ZH.

But please don't blame 'capitalists' blame OWNERSHIP,

An owner is working on a budget, he needs consistent quality, he needs fixed costs, so he can survive,

'Machines' won as you say, Man lost, but OWNERSHIP won,

I say become an owner, if you choose to be a wage-slave, enventually your job will be automated.

The choice is yours.



Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:46 | 4317622 NOTaREALmerican
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Get a job you goddamn losers!   I don't sit around all day complaining about how bad things are.  I work for a living.

Love or leave it, and get a goddamn haircut, ya hippies!

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:59 | 4317685 pitz
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Where are these "jobs"?  Most people would gladly work if they could actually find something.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:48 | 4317635 Excursionist
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This chart neglects to adjust the participation rate by increases in worker productivity, wealth, retirement benefits or some combination of all three.

In 1955, your 75-year old grandfather had to work to survive until ready for his deathbed.  Today?  Not so much. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:51 | 4317649 TheMerryPrankster
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Yeah right...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:56 | 4317636 pitz
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I know white engineers who have sent out hundreds, sometimes thousands of job applications.   Only to receive very little in terms of interest from the employers, who are hooked on using foreign labour through the H-1B visa and a whole alphabet soup of other cheap labour scams.  Its not a matter of the people not wanting to work, its a matter of them not being allowed to work.

The TBTF's and Silicon Valley tech firms are amongst the worst of the worst when it comes to abusing the H-1B visa, and not even considering, in good faith, the job applications of qualified domestic applicants in favour of using foreigners.   Even the Federal Reserve employs foreigner economists on the H-1B visa despite a significant number of domestic economist graduates being unemployed, a violation of the spirit of the law.  Videos such as this on Youtube describe HR consultants counselling employers on how to avoid hiring (usually white) American men:

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:14 | 4317978 FredFlintstone
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Are you still in California bitching?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:41 | 4318174 Freddie
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Most of those tech companies end up with H1B ghettoes of Indians and neighboring countries who then make sure no Americans are hired.  Maybe one token.  Then the have the company by the throat and squeeze.  A lot of these companies then fail. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 01:05 | 4318389 RaceToTheBottom
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I have a masters degree in engineering and went two years without real work.  I regrouped and started doing what I was doing 10 years earlier.  I traveled for two + years from Seattle to LA weekly on my dime to work for firms that loved hiring H1Bs to the degree that most of my colleagues left the field. 

I have now rebuilt my reputation and manage my own brand but any country that does that to its most productive job builders does not deserve to survive.  It is self defeating... and stupid.

Please hang in there...

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 20:49 | 4317641 TheMerryPrankster
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 A guy I know had a sex change operation.

I asked him if it hurt losing his balls. He replied it did hurt some but what was really painful about becoming a woman, was having his salary cut in half.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:34 | 4317818 zjxn06
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Speaking of losing your balls...


The doctor said, 'Joe, the good news is I can cure your headaches. The bad news is that it will require castration. 

You have a very rare condition, which causes your testicles to press on your spine and the pressure creates one hell of a headache. The only way to relieve the pressure is to remove the testicles.' 

Joe was shocked and depressed. He wondered if he had anything to live for.
 He had no choice but to go under the knife. When he left the hospital, he was without a headache for the first time in 20 years, but he felt like he was missing an important part of himself. As he walked down the street, he realized that he felt like a different person. He could make a new beginning and live a new life. 

He saw a men's clothing store and thought, 'That's what I need... A new suit...' 

He entered the shop and told the salesman, 'I'd like a new suit..' 

The elderly tailor eyed him briefly and said, 'Let's see... Size 44 long.' 

Joe laughed, 'That's right, how did you know?' 

'Been in the business 60 years!' the tailor said. 

Joe tried on the suit
 it fit perfectly. 

As Joe admired himself in the mirror, the salesman asked, 'How about a new shirt?' 

Joe thought for a moment and then said, 'Sure.' 

The salesman eyed Joe and said, 'Let's see, 34 sleeves and 16-1/2 neck.' 

Joe was surprised, 'That's right, how did you know?' 

'Been in the business 60 years.' 

Joe tried on the shirt and it fit perfectly. 

Joe walked comfortably around the shop and the salesman asked, 'How about some new underwear?' 

Joe thought for a moment and said, 'Sure.' 

The salesman said, 'Let's see... Size 36. 

Joe laughed, 'Ah ha! I got you!
 I've worn a size 34 since I was 18 years old.' 

The salesman shook his head, 'You can't wear a size 34. A size 34 would press your testicles up against the base of your spine and give you one hell of a headache.'

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:02 | 4317690 Mad Muppet
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Thu, 01/09/2014 - 19:09 | 4317477 new ebworthen
Vote up!


Vote down!


I'm raising my hand.

Turned down by:  a doezen different Federal agencies, J.C Penney, Lowe's, K-Mart, Miele, local school districts, State government, and assorted local businesses.  Full-time and part-- time.  Several of these were $8.25/hour, several others $10-$12/hour, and others were $80K+/year that I'm qualified for.

Recovery my ASS.


Come to the oil fields, my friend. In Sidney, Montana, McDonalds pays $15 per hour and is closed three days a week because.....................................................................they can't find enough emplyees to keep the doors open. Entry level roustabout makes $70k. Long hours and hard work, but plenty of jobs. Most folks find an RV to be an affordable option for housing. I'm in Sidney now, was offered three jobs in a week, lowest wage offered was $14.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:04 | 4317703 pitz
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The oilfields are for jackscrews.  Typical weenie-boys need not waste their time applying as they're typically ground up and spat out in mere days. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:09 | 4317724 satoshi101
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Times are a changin

Smart kids will get off thier ass and go do real man's work,

You'll never get pussy staying at home on the computer, feeling sorry for yourself, I can tell you that the guys up at those oilfields can have a family and get laid,

Those staying in misery, will never have a decent relationship,

This self misery is why so many teenagers are taking guns to school and killing everyone, they don't have a girlfriend or anything to care about,


I worked in the OIL biz when I was young, they respect brains, there are many jobs, ... just get  your ass up there and apply and live in your RV as long as you can to keep your expense low so you can save some real money.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:17 | 4317755 pitz
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I don't think you understand.  There is zero room for latte-sipping, typical college-educated people in the North Dakota oil and gas sector.  The few of those jobs that exist, are already well spoken for by insiders, etc.  What's left basically requires a background more typical of growing up on a farm and doing real, hard work as a kid.  Not going to Disneyland and playing with an iPod like most of the young adults these days. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:28 | 4317802 satoshi101
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Are you talking about yourself, or are you speaking for others?

At $5 a pop,  I doubt those without jobs are sitting in starbucks nursing lattes, besides they're a girly drink? Right?

I disagree I worked in OIL for a quite a few years as a kid, if your smart there is a lot of shit you can do, probably less than 10% of those in OIL, use their muscles.

As everybody knows heavy-equipment operators are the laziest people on the planet, machines do the work, men just push buttons and pull levers, not unlike the fucking video games,... I would think todays kids would be fucking rock stars in the oil biz, ...


Too bad not a soul exists on ZH that actually gives a fuck about fixing what ails the USA,

I say bail, but that is only to avoid the coming civil-war, but for those that chose to stay, you had better get a job and live in a place where people have money, cuz in the poor regions your going to fuck die quick.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:41 | 4317852 pitz
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Let's see.  Not a 9-5 job.  Have to go outside in the cold routinely.  Have to be able to back a pick-up truck up.  Have to not be repulsed by getting dirty.  There's a portion of the population that can work within those parameters, and right now, they are doing reasonably well in North Dakota.  But there's only limited demand that can be accomodated by the labour market. 

Besides, there is little evidence that the demand for labour isn't being fulfilled.  The McDonalds frachisor who deludes of being able to hire people for less than the monthly cost of rental on a livable appartment, needs to look at the viability of his own business and whether he's charging appropriate prices.  Instead of just playing crybaby.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 06:02 | 4318005 starfcker
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have to be able to back up a pickup truck? stay home. you are a pussy. Edit: I take that back. Get out there kid. you would be suprised how many people would give you a chance, and how different your skill set will be in six months. I did every terrible job in the world, but the skills and confidence I gained have served me well. every kid that ever worked for me I taught to run a bobcat. It made them slightly more useful to me, but they got a skill they will have for the rest of their life.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 08:23 | 4318770 enloe creek
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heavy equipment operators can not be the laziest people I am in the uaw ok , I know lazy when I see it

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:01 | 4317866 zjxn06
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I'm oil field trash.  The jobs are there, especially in towns like Gillette and Casper WY, Williston ND, and Farmington NM. Garden spots.

I know cuz I drive through these towns on a regular basis.  Big sign hanging outside Halliburton's yard in Casper, Wyo recently. "We're hiring drivers and operators. Start at $25/hr + benefits"

High pay. You can support a family, BUT you have to work long hours.

Why are there still jobs available?  Cuz pussies don't last long in these jobs.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:42 | 4318032 zjxn06
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And by "pussy" I don't mean some scrawny guy.  I'm talking about mental pussies.

Seen em come and seen em go.  Some pussies are big guys with big biceps and tatoos.  

They have the physical strength to do the work, they just dont have the MENTAL strength.  They lack tenacity.  Their "giveashitters" are set on zero.

Some of these pussies could throw a 36" pipe wrench up 30' into the derrick, but they can't:

-seem to show up to work on time.

-keep working after being up for 24 hrs

-sleep overnight in the cab of their truck until the Company man is ready for them to get the job done.

-keep the drugs and alcohol out of their bodies for more than 24 hrs.

The real men, small and large, are the dudes that show up to work on time, rain, snow or shine, time after time and get the job done without complaining.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 23:53 | 4318217 Freddie
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I don't watch TV because it is full on propaganda.  It supports the reality that having the Clintons or Bushes or Obama should be our only choice and is normal.   Because it is all rigged but we are supposed to believe our votes actually count.

Anyway, I saw one show at a realtive's house once where it was guys working in TX or OK on a jackup land rigs where they had to get it done, drilling the holes then move the rig to do it all over again.  Dangerous shit and hard hard work.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 02:17 | 4318485 satoshi101
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drilling holes in the ground is like 1% of the jobs in the industry,

just go up there and look around and hang out in the bar's and meet people, network,

shit there are seismic crews, tons of engineering jobs, ... lots of stuff fucking infinite

and best of all when the SHTF in the urban shitholes your automatically GOLD cuz the system needs OIL, your work is critical, so you'll always have food and fuel,


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:06 | 4317714 satoshi101
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There is always jobs somewhere, you just got to go where they are, and exactly right, live in the back of your truck, live in a camper-shell, hookup at a trailer park, and make some money, and save your money and climb your way up the social/economic order.



Smart men will go to the jobs, dumb men will expend more energy to defend their misery.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:14 | 4317745 pitz
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Why bother, when one's output is only going to support a corrupt government and financial sector that hands $400k/year checks to paper pushers (such as at Goldman Sachs)?

Maybe if the deal was anything slightly resembling fair, but to make less than those weenies, and to be supporting them while you're at it, doesn't strike me as something a smart man would do.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:20 | 4317766 satoshi101
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Because some rockstar at GS is making $400k, then you should sit on your ass?

Stupid comment, and this is a real problem with ZH, I don't know if your /sarc, /stupid, or /serious ... I dont care


There will always be lessor and greater than yourself, fuck everybody else, ...just take care of yours, get off your ass make some money, quit fucking bitching,

SELF-PITY, moaning and bitching, really fucking rules the FSA and the keyboard army here, doesnt it?


Reality is a given,

Also I can promise you that up there in OIL country where money is being made, ... there are probably few cops around, its probably wild-west capitlism, and guys can get drunk after a days work, with no fear from the law,... cuz that's how it always works, cuz COPS respect guys that have a job.


Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:23 | 4317778 pitz
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$400k is the average employee, not a 'rockstar'.  Big difference.   The people who do sit on their asses , at least at some level, are doing society a useful service by (silently) protesting such injustice. 

The 'sitting on asses' part is mostly involuntary though.  A few men may have what it takes, ie: be jackscrew-ish enough to work those oilfield jobs.  But most don't.  And that's a big problem. 

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 22:26 | 4318011 starfcker
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satoshi, you're rolling today. wow

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:03 | 4317692 satoshi101
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Prior to the AMERICAN-REVOLUTION, the WORLD sent Rapists, Killers, and habitual criminals to the USA to be rid of them, the USA was the worlds PENAL-COLONY.


But this is 100% true, the USA has the highest rate of HOMOCIDE in the world, because they were genitically bred from killers, I thought everybody knew this.


Folks you can't fix america, until you deal with what is real.
Down voting will not change the truth.

Once again the maxim holds, RED means REAL, GREEN MEANS CIRCLE JERK

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:39 | 4317838 TheMerryPrankster
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Those are easy to remember, what's purple again?

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:36 | 4317700 Mad Muppet
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new satoshi101

Vote up!

Vote down!


Because some rockstar at GS is making $400k, then you should sit on your ass?

Stupid comment, and this is a real problem with ZH, I don't know if your /sarc, /stupid, or /serious ... I dont care


There will always be lessor and greater than yourself, fuck everybody else, ...just take care of yours, get off your ass make some money, quit fucking bitching,

SELF-PITY, moaning and bitching, really fucking rules the FSA and the keyboard army here, doesnt it?


Reality is a given,

Also I can promise you that up there in OIL country where money is being made, ... there are probably few cops around, its probably wild-west capitlism, and guys can get drunk after a days work, with no fear from the law,... cuz that's how it always works, cuz COPS respect guys that have a job.



While I thought your convict comment was silly "lumping", this was pretty acurate. I'm 52, and not a skinny kid. Doing blue collar work here, I'm making about 70-80K. By applying myself, an offer is on the table for $110-120K, plus a truck and bennies. Lots of oportunities here if you will WORK like a dog, and buy into the local industry. We live and breathe oil.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 21:04 | 4317706 Atomizer
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Once the system is blotting with prison capacity and new offenders who cannot work. The government will begin the reclassification process in sending these folks back to school for a second round to re educate on new skill sets . The taxpayers will flip the bill on this.

Obama and the new 2016 administration will tell you to go back to school to become a more marketable individual in competing with other global job rate exchanges. 

Future speech, too become a more global partner, education must become an asset for past and future generations. Without these new educational tools, jobs will become trimmed for those who live in the past educational training skills . Blah blah blah. 

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