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Union Jobs Are The New iPads As 1500 New Yorkers Camp Out Three Freezing Days For A $17.20/Hour Job

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While this morning's dismal jobs data is being blamed on the weather (despite no other recent indicator reflecting the same effect), it seems New Yorkers are not afraid of the cold. In fact, as FoxNY reports, it seems there is a new 'must-have' for the New Year - a Union Job. 1,500 people have been on line since 1pm on Tuesday for a 'coveted' union job that pays $17.20 per hour (for painting and decorating apprenticeships) and could lead to a full-time union position. Forget the iPhone5S, union jobs is where it's at...


New York News


Via FoxNY,

The line wrapped nearly around an entire city block on Friday as approximately 1,500 people waited in Queens for a chance to apply for a coveted union job.


The first few people on line had been there since 1 p.m. on Tuesday when the temperature in New York City was in the single digits.


District Council 9 is accepting 500 applications in Long Island City for painting and decorating apprenticeships.


The hired will receive a salary of $17.20 an hour during the first year.


The apprenticeship could lead to a full time union position.


Maybe Apple (or Microsoft or Sony) should consider offering a union-job with the next release of their products? Given today's jobs data, we suspect the demand for the latter may outstrip demand for the former very very soon...


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Fri, 01/10/2014 - 13:59 | 4320160 VD
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'Merika new slogan: FAIL 4EVA FAIL HARDER(er)

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:06 | 4320202 Beam Me Up Scotty
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I'm holding out for one of those union jobs where I can do nothing all day but watch porn and get paid and retire with a big pension.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:08 | 4320212 VD
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xactly: jerk ur gov handout while hasslin remnants of taxpayerz heartz pron-planet drugged out on gov handoutz...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:12 | 4320230 Joe Davola
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Good point, I'm sure some of them now qualify for disability due to their frozen extremities.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:14 | 4320245 WarriorClass
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The bigger picture that takes jobs from Americans and lowers the wages of those still working are LEGAL immigration and WORK VISAS. Those are the middle class jobs that are going to foreigners at the expense of Americans. The illegal aliens tend to take the lower paying jobs that black people won't do and white kids are no longer allowed to do.

Companies would rather hire a foreign national since that person can't demand a raise or just go across the street and get another job. A foreigner would have to go back to his country of origin and then start looking for a higher paying job. This keeps wages down for both the foreign national and the American worker. The massive legal immigrants add directly to the labor pool of American workers, driving down wages generally. This is simple supply and demand for labor.

Increase the supply of labor and the price of labor (wages) goes down. All of you "law abiding" that support LEGAL immigration are cutting your own throats, and the big corporations are helping you do that with work visas.

Nevertheless, the dumbed down masses cry for "legal" immigration while their paycheck whittles down to nothing and they can't afford to send their kids to college while the aliens go for free.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:40 | 4320292 akarc
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I was gonna up ya but I got lost with this one, "and white kids are no longer allowed to do." Never seen a grove willing turn away someone with a good back willing to work for nothing.

But yeah, corporations have it covered from all sides. Including the assholes who put the loopholes in the laws to allow it.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:16 | 4320509 BooMushroom
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Think child labor laws, work permit hoops to jump through, night work, anything requiring machinery (you have to be 18 to push the button on the trash compactor!!)

You have to be licensed to use weed killer, and you have to have a million-dollar insurance policy to cut mistletoe out of the trees inside city limits.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:37 | 4320592 akarc
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"Think child labor laws, work permit hoops to jump through, night work, anything requiring machinery" 

that explains,

"The illegal aliens tend to take the lower paying jobs that black people won't do and white kids are no longer allowed to do."

Well damn, guess we better get rid of the child labor laws.  

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 16:21 | 4320746 Tim_
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LePage revisits child-labor laws

"GOP policymakers in a few states raised the prospect of rolling back laws that prevent children from entering the workforce, and among others, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) argued that federal child-labor laws are unconstitutional."

"But no one seemed quite as enthusiastic about undoing child-labor laws as Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R), who championed a measure in March 2011 that would not only allow kids as young as 12 to get jobs, but would also allow employers to pay children less than the minimum wage."

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 16:28 | 4320760 akarc
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Ya got to wonder who paid them off. God it makes me sick.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 19:01 | 4321149 dark pools of soros
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then I guess he would finally pay the kids he makes porn with

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:30 | 4320565 James_Cole
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Increase the supply of labor and the price of labor (wages) goes down. All of you "law abiding" that support LEGAL immigration are cutting your own throats, and the big corporations are helping you do that with work visas.

There are these places called 'other countries' which exist outside of the US.

Take a dash across the border into Mexico and you'll see familiar products being made via extreme low wage labour, take a trip further out and visit some 'free trade zones,' same shit. 

In America (in theory) workers will be treated according to American labour rights - and if they aren't there is some recourse - good luck extending that to workers in Bangladesh. Immigration is not the problem, downvote all you want, if you don't have some labour protections for American products it'll continue to be a race to the bottom. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:38 | 4320595 Handful of Dust
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Only a Gubmint "Job" is better then a Union Job.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 17:11 | 4320912 TheMeatTrapper
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As usual, your bleeding heart is showing. 

It's not about extending American values to other countries. How other nations treat their people, govern themselves and live their lives is of no business of ours. However, we do have the right to enforce tariffs and quotas on foreign countries if we deem them to be engaging in unfair business practices. 

As an example, the Europeans are NOT running sweatshops in their factories, but their governments subsidize companies such as Airbus. There is no worker mistreatment, but there is unfair business practices - just like our government subsidizes US corporations and industries.

Immigration IS the problem. A sound (and sane) immigration policy coupled with effective and honest business practices will go a hell of a long way to solving these problems - but then again, that doesn't accomplish the social welfare goals that you liberals are pushing, does it? 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 18:18 | 4321066 James_Cole
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It's not about extending American values to other countries.

I specifically said American products.

if we deem them to be engaging in unfair business practices. 

but there is unfair business practices - just like our government subsidizes US corporations and industries.

but then again, that doesn't accomplish the social welfare goals that you liberals are pushing, does it? 

Not what I was trying to suggest. At some point the American consumer needs to demand proper labour practices for the products they consume or face the consequences of their own diminishing opportunities.

Doesn't matter how restrictive you make your immigration polices the products will obviously be made in the cheapest place with the fewest regulations. 

There are jobs which can't be outsourced, but as long as the manufacturing base is elsewhere these jobs will continue to see pressure on their wages regardless of immigration.

Temporary foreign workers is a whole other thing though and I've heard executives say things with regard to the joy of using guest workers that would really get Americans rioting in the streets. That's specifically * NOT * immigration though.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 19:10 | 4321173 dark pools of soros
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people who blame unions can't think past one step so it is beyond them to understand the collateral damage being done


nothing is really getting cheaper since the savings of cutting out unions and lowering worker pay just goes to the executives


it's rape and pillage and not some economic reality that is spoonfed to justify globalization's race to slave wages


Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:09 | 4320213 VD
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gov killz all in end.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:09 | 4320214 ACP
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That's a government job.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:23 | 4320276 Grande Tetons
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Applicant, Hey, my Dad works here. 

HR Douche Bag, Really? 


HR Douche Bag, When can you start? 

Somebody should have read the script to all those bastards standing in line. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:39 | 4320363 akarc
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I ain't up on much these days. Does Unions have HR departments?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:03 | 4320420 Grande Tetons
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Technically no. However, I thought HR Douche Bag was more eloquent than  Trade Union Monopolizing Labor Douche Bag.

I worked a couple union jobs as young punk and the only reason I was hired was because of connections. What a fucking shocker.  

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:04 | 4320472 akarc
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Worked Unions as a young punk myself. Didn't have no connections. Which I suspect is why  on a number of occasions as an apprentice I had to train somebody hired on as a journeyman. So yeah, corruption is everywhere. Unions are everywhere. They go by different names maybe, congress, lobbyist, PAC's, BBB, not for profits, church's.............. all seeking preferential treatment for their members. 

So in the end I have to ask myself why did Unions ever get a foothold in the first place?  And why did Corporations hire thugs to kill members with government assistance?

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:10 | 4320224 akarc
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Check with the SEC they always have folk coming and going.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 20:00 | 4321318 Yenbot
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I'm holding out for one of those union jobs where I can do nothing all day but watch porn and get paid and retire with a big pension.

BMUS: Prison Guard. Teamsters. Sign a card down at the Local today.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:18 | 4320221 TruthInSunshine
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Remember when illegal immigrants would camp out/loiter openly for the relatively easy prospect of hitching an approximately $15/hour job painting, hanging drywall, etc. in some part of California, Nevada, Arizona, New York City, etc.?

Now, 1,500 American born citizens wait in line in the freezing cold for a chance to land just one such job at a real rate of pay less than in the example above...

Because Obama... Because Bernanke...because McCain...because Piglosi...because Feinstein...because Harry Reid...because multinational corporations/banks...

Because "Average Americans Have Lost."

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:38 | 4320274 akarc
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"Because "Average Americans Have Lost."

Having willingly aided and abetted the enemy they surrendered. And still willing to bend over for the enemy.

We allowed, therefor we caused it! 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:58 | 4320451 U4 eee aaa
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Fri, 01/10/2014 - 17:46 | 4321000 Freddie
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Idiots watching TV and Hollywood.  Two of the elites favorite tools to keep them serfs.  Conservatives think Fox News is their friend whihc is BS.  If half of America pulled the plug on TV and Hollywood then something might change.  They are too stupid to get it.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:21 | 4320275 Freddie
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Well the former head of the bank of israel does not have to wait in line for Obama to appoint him to the vice chair job at The Federal Reserve.   Sort of tells you who runs The Fed.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:33 | 4320338 disabledvet
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it should be worse actually. "that line should be a million people long." so, no...i'm not with you with McCain..nor Kerry...nor Chuck Hagel either. "these guys did their time" so they know who...and what...they're dealing with. Especially Secretary of Defense Hagel. And his brother. Unlike Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon who had enemies so profound and deep people wondered if the Presidency itself would survive this war was not started on the premise of "America First" which i think goes a long way towards explaining...perhaps...the frustration of some. "This isn't Vietnam" though clearly defeat is more than option here. When wasn't it? As I recall "the war was never to be about...nor with...Islam." And obviously even if we had wanted to have the resources to do that we no longer do. America has no friends right now? NO PROBLEM. "We'll buy them if we have to." But this much I do know...these three guys know all there is to know about "the bugles call." It's just one of those things that makes this country a country.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 20:31 | 4321410 Flakmeister
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Naming one Repug out of six is hardly apportioning the blame correctly or fairly....

BTW, The Corporations killed the middle class in the name of profits and massive pay increases for the officers....

The top 0.1% took ~90% of the productivity gains of the past 30 years all in the name of trickle down...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:28 | 4320303 thunderchief
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And don't you dare call this a depression..

They're just motivated potential working "Stiffs."

No pun intended.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:35 | 4320346 Jannn
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Dutch Central Bank Tight-lipped About Gold Policy

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:00 | 4320162 JLee2027
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Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:00 | 4320163 RacerX
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But this doesn't fit the narrative (where we need to import more cheap labor).

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:03 | 4320187 Bobbyrib
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You mean Amnesty?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:42 | 4320610 Harbanger
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That's striclty for creating a huge new Democrat voting base and to further dilute the culture.  The now disenchanted white democrats who voted for Obama were useful tools who won't matter going forward.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:57 | 4320676 Bobbyrib
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Yep, there is also the visa programs as well.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:06 | 4320197 replaceme
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The narrative is the truth, enjoy it.  Bask in its simplicity. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:19 | 4320265 RacerX
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"Come to Butthead.."

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:06 | 4320199 akarc
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Or export the heads of corporations who continue to advocate for slave labor.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:00 | 4320165 Critical Path
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Yes we can

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:00 | 4320166 suteibu
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$17.20?  Why that's barely above the upcoming minimum wage for fry cooks.  Suckers...they have to pay dues out of that, too.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:03 | 4320168 akarc
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In my neck of the woods, since there are no unions, they line up for any jobs. Paying a whole heap less. Whats the rent on a cardboard box in NYC?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:25 | 4320542 Musashi Miyamoto
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If you want Recyclable its going to cost you... Beggars can't be choosers...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:01 | 4320174 BandGap
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We're we just told by CNBC that the biggest part was getting people and employers to connect?

The new bread lines.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:04 | 4320193 Bobbyrib
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We're we just told by CNBC that the biggest part was getting people and employers to connect?



Translation: Let them eat cake.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:36 | 4320208 akarc
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Hmmm, so what did they do  to get the line. Put a freaking ad in the paper?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:04 | 4320426 PrecipiceWatching
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In the age of instant communication and the Internet they think they can get away with puerile misinfomation/propaganda like that?

They must be taking lessons in hilariously transparent grade school level lying from Clinton.

Thanks for confirming that I am not missing a thing by skipping the "news".

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:01 | 4320178 q99x2
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Somebody tell them about Bitcoin. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:03 | 4320188 lordbyroniv
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NY is a cesspool.  Only moreonz live is NY.  And only dips live in LIC or any of the boroughs.  As John Rocker said...Queeens looks like Mogadishu.  Rats living like rats.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:08 | 4320206 Charles Wilson
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Private Armies.

Subsidized Private Armies.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:08 | 4320210 JailBank
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And this is why we need amnesty. We need ilegals standing in lines that Americans just won't stand in.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:13 | 4320242 akarc
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Looks like a lotta mericans in that video. And it was a Fox news video too. Damn things are really bad. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:09 | 4320219 Chupacabra-322
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THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (corporation) is in its FOURTH bankruptcy! It's a Criminal System based on Criminal Fraud & Deception. Birth certificates are securitized via the Federal Reserve through the IMF.

Our Souls were put down as collateral to pay back the debt via the Bankruptcy of 1933. The only power The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate have over you is through CONSENT CONTRACTING (Black's Law Dictionary) with the Criminal Fraud.

Bankruptcy 1: 1791, about the time the Bill of Rights and signing of the Constitution was finalized.
Bankruptcy 2: 1861 (about 70 years later) resulting in the issuance of 'greenbacks'
Bankruptcy 3: 1933 (again, about 70 years later) when gold was confiscated by the government, and finally
Bankruptcy 4: NOW--since 9/11/2001 ( almost 70 years to the day as the last bankruptcy was September 10, 1931.

Source: http://realitybloger.wordpress...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:16 | 4320250 Bastiat
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You left out the gold redemption default of 8/15/1971.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:22 | 4320278 Chupacabra-322
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My apologies but I was just stressing thefollowing point:

WHERE FUCKING BANKRUPT at least three times over already & now AGAIN & now one is paying attention! Sarcasm off.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:24 | 4320290 Bastiat
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You are right about that.  I do have the feeling the cheap paint is coming off the clunker this year.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:19 | 4320264 frankthomaswhite59
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please fix the link

I saw it yesterday and clicked on it

COX Cable cannoy find it

same thing today

"Sorry, the website realitybloger.wordpress cannot be found"
Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:51 | 4320343 akarc
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Never heard of it before but was bored so found it for you. Thank you.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:12 | 4320502 frankthomaswhite59
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thanks for your help akarc

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:11 | 4320228 GeezerGeek
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Unless one has a relative already in the union it is senseless to stand on line. Yalies take care of other Yalies, unions take care of relatives. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:17 | 4320254 akarc
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Dat be true. "Brotherhood!"

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:12 | 4320232 Bunga Bunga
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Unemployment rate 6.7%, LOL.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:14 | 4320243 starman
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Lenin would be proud! 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:16 | 4320251 akarc
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Hitler maybe? Is all ok, add more football games to the schedule to appease the romans.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:29 | 4320313 Freddie
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Who's playing quarterback for the Romans?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:32 | 4320332 akarc
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Not the one in the bent over positon fer sure.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:13 | 4320503 Emergency Ward
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Roman Gabriel?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:16 | 4320253 CitizenPete
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17.50? I want Moar.  I'm definately getting an iPad now.  

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:21 | 4320267 Rearranging Dec...
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This sort of thing has been going on for a while. The difference is its hard to ignore in subfreezing temperatures and not quite as extreme. There were at least 1500 people of all ages whose only requirement was a college degree who applied for one of 36 county jobs starting pay $28,000 plus benefits  with me in the Summer of 2012. Made it into the last 150 people after having to apply in person, then pass a hard test, and two rounds of interviewing. A friend of mine was lucky enough to get one of the spots. He has a law degree and passed the bar exam. He told me half the training class had advanced degrees.Thsee used to be jobs filed by recent college grads.


A decent full time job is what anyone wants. Blue and so called White collar.



Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:28 | 4320306 akarc
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Back in the 70's I saw advanced degreed people in the orange groves. They never lasted long. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:34 | 4320339 Bangin7GramRocks
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Sorry to hear about that man. A chubby girl with a high school diploma who couldn't type could get a job making more money(inflation adjusted) in the 1970's. This is fucking sad. Problem is that many people who visit Zero Hedge thinks it is perfectly fine that jobs only pay $28,000 now. Books they read in B-school say it is so.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:58 | 4320448 Rearranging Dec...
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Thanks for the sympathy I wasn't trying to complain btw just point out how f-ed up the real job market is and has been for a while. The media and the those happily employed tend to forget and ignore it.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:24 | 4320287 mayhem_korner
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Does this mean Jimmy Hoffa is going to come up from the end zone at Met Life stadium to do the Super Bowl halftime show?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:25 | 4320295 Bastiat
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Is that one of those Promise Zones?

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:25 | 4320296 Cocomaan
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I suppose for some ZH readers it's just a coincidence that wage stagnation and union busting are positively correlated. 

I'd rather have a union job than not, that's for damn sure. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:31 | 4320323 akarc
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"I suppose for some ZH readers it's just a coincidence that wage stagnation and union busting are positively correlated."

Oh shit dude, you posted that here?  The site of, "there is a commie under every "BUSH"? Oh well, upped ya anyway. Primarily cause it be true.  

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:38 | 4320360 Cocomaan
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What can I say? It's like trolling, but it's true.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:16 | 4320508 DOT
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Union wages and benefits can be beat in any market including projects covered by Davis-Bacon regulations. Only the threat of project "disruptions" closes off opportunities for a well run Merit shop.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:29 | 4320558 akarc
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Up ya on Davis Bacon act.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:24 | 4320541 Emergency Ward
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The fucking Police love their Union.  Gives them a license to murder and to brutalize while being paid overtime.  Union Success Story.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:58 | 4320682 akarc
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Unlike non unionized overseas sweatshops where child exploitation, work motivated suicide and crippling by age 30 is just fine.

YOU can not hold one segment of society accountable without holding all segments of society accountable. If you can not differientate beween an overall deterioration of the national moral compass regardles of whether or not it is unionized moral corruption or non unionized moral corruption, then the argument is lost as we all already are. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:29 | 4320562 Not_Sure
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Unions are for dipshits who can't compete in the market place. They reflect a slave mentality. "Can yo gives me a job, massa?"

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 16:14 | 4320723 akarc
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workers unions are for those who don't believe corporate/banker/congressional fat cats should eat steak every night while they have to exist on ramen noodles.  And are willing to fight those who would fuck the worker over given free reign. The slave mentality is reserved for those who will bow down and say oh masa, you be's payin me to much sir. please take some back and buy your chillins a brandy new sports car and a lawyer to gets them out of jail when dey rapes us. 

But thats o.k. if thats what you consider a dipshit I'll wear the tag!

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:32 | 4320331 starman
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SSSR =  Soviet Union


USA =  United Slaves


see the difference ? me either....


Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:43 | 4320381 Flakmeister
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Let's see:

40 x 17.20 x 52 = $36,775 per year....

Given the COL in NY, i.e. rent, that is pretty much poverty level.... 

Forget even trying to raise a family on that...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 14:48 | 4320405 TrustbutVerify
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Thumbs up to those searching for the jobs.  

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:08 | 4320486 U4 eee aaa
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Could be a sign of an economic bottom. When union jobs become de rigueur

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:08 | 4320489 SpaceEcho
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Unions are nothing like iPads. iPads can sometimes be used to get work done quickly.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:51 | 4320526 akarc
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And if ya kill it you can get another one fairly easy. Yeah, quick is always best.  Had a contractor turn me down cause he didn't like my price. Thought he could get it done cheaper. Said go for it. Not long after he calls me to the building. He had two floors done. He smiles and says its gonna cost me more isn't it? Smiled back and said yep.  Took him two times to figure out cheap and quick can be mighty expensive.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:13 | 4320492 Sudden Debt
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I have a union protected job.
I get a minimum 3.7% payraise a year which is sector related.

Nothing wrong with that. The only people who are against that are those who don't have a job like that.

In the last 7 years my salary rose over 30%. I'm not complaining and in a way I feel up to dat with inflation.

The problem is that somehow the media made people hate the unions but over here in Belgium everybody profits on it.
If you all want normal jobs to return, you'll need a union. Maybe the old once aren't up to date but than there's a need for a new one.

People fauht for the unions and the union made everybody get a good and fair wage.
If you don't know that, buy a history book.

Sure i pay 16 euro's a month in union fees but it's worth it. My boss will never fire me and for me that takes the edge off.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:18 | 4320514 DIgnified
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Why is it leftists and union-cheerleaders espouse the "If its not bad for me specifically, then its good for everybody" retard mentality?


"The ACA saved ME money.  Ergo, everyone who it doesnt help are inconsequential to the "greatness" of what I personlly love."

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:30 | 4320568 Sudden Debt
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No, you get it wrong.

Everybody who works in the metals and machine building sector in my country gets the advantage thanks to the unions.

you don't even need to be unionised. The main reason why it's good to be unionised is that you get free legal assistance whenever you need it.

It has nothing to do by being leftist or anythhing so you can pull that carot right out of your ass and feel more assured.

During this crisis, the unemployment in Belgium is the lowest in Europe. Our economy is the strongest still.
If you ever visited Belgium and the rest of Europe you'd know that we're way richer than Americans.

I'm just advising you guys that it doesn't hurt to read a book and don't act like a retard like you did.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 17:56 | 4321020 Escrava Isaura
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Sudden Debt, awesome points.

I live in Washington, DC. I deal, everyday, with ‘mostly’ blue color. They are great with their hands and family, like a ‘good’ dog in a leash, do what they’re supposed to do.  Beyond that becomes a struggle.

I did belong to local 22 in Boston’s North End back in the 80’s. Hated it. But, if wasn’t for that ‘local’, those workers wouldn’t make enough to feed themselves.

My advice to “My Fellow Americans”

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Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:50 | 4320652 akarc
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"Why is it leftists and union-cheerleaders espouse the "If its not bad for me specifically, then its good for everybody" retard mentality?"

Probably the reason the tools of the right wing corporate/government alliance of kleptocrats espouse the same? Whatcha think?  

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:32 | 4320540 Not_Sure
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"If you all want normal jobs to return, you'll need a union. Maybe the old once aren't up to date but than there's a need for a new one."

No. What we should do is do away with unions and the people who have the overpayed extortion jobs.

Union leaders are extortionists, plain and simple. "You want a laborer? You pay me and I'll give you a laborer!"

"My boss will never fire me and for me that takes the edge off." THAT'S a good incentive to work hard!

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 16:06 | 4320638 akarc
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 "You want a laborer? You pay me and I'll give you a laborer!"

Are your a laborer? And if so, are you making enough to live on? And if so, do they have any openings and can you afford an Ipad? 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 16:28 | 4320761 Sudden Debt
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No that's not the reason to work.

But you might want to know that profuctivity in Belgium is about double of that in America.
Go fish... people don't have to constantly worry about their job and actually do their job and work very hard.


People work hard because they want their company to do good. We feel involved.

Can you trll me why producitivity is so low in America?

We feel connected to our jobs. We don't work with faer.

You guys are so brainwashed into corperatisme... you feel that whatever is good for billionaires who treath you like suckers is the right way. The reason is because you dream of becomming a billionaire, but let me tell you: only a very very very very few get to be so.

If people make a descent wage, they get to spend. And when people get to spend the economie does well.

You just don't seem to grasp thhat he?

I'm freakishly good at what I do. Today I got another call from a headhunter.
He offered me 1000 euro's more and a bigger company car. that was his opening line.
Well... I didn't even fully listen. I might hate my boss but I love my job and my collegues. So i'll stay.

I make my company a shitload of money. The company does very well. My boos says "please" and "thank you". That's not bad now does it?

You are so blind...

I love america, don't get me wrong. But you are the cause why 90% of the world population calls you people shortsighted and stupid people.
So if you want to be a real patriot: Dhut your mouth and don't speak. You're giving your country a bad rep.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 16:24 | 4320749 akarc
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"People fauht for the unions and the union made everybody get a good and fair wage.
If you don't know that, buy a history book."

Those who are caught up in revisionist history and/or have been successfully indoctrinated by the propaganda machine and/or living in a bubble believe their experience is the only experience and therefor "IS" the only truth and/or only seek out confirmation bias and/or all of the above, ain't going nowhere near a history book.

In fact I would be willing to bet that like book and record burnings of the past, history books will be added to the list of things to be sanitized so that the only thing to learn will be that which you are told to learn.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:20 | 4320516 Jack Burton
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I've seen this in my own small town a few decades ago. The Rail Road with a major ore loading facility here wanted to hire a couple men, under pressure from the city council, they offered the jobs for local hire. This town has 3,000 people, most being retired or children. Nevertheless, over 200 men stood in line for the right to applications. So much for the lazy American who doesn't want to work! Two were hired, 198 left behind to the low wage economy. There are just no jobs left in industry or manufacturing. I was told by Clinton, that globalization whould produce many new jobs and put America to work. That was in the 1990's. I called him a fucking liar then, I now call him a proven fucking liar.

Yet the new trade agreement congress wants to fast track is a law to enshrine corporations as extra legal entities, i.e. with laws unto themselves. They will be able to sue any nation or unit of government or union THEY claim is hurting their expected profits. Notice, "Expected Profits".  If Obama gets his way and this trade deal is signed, Democracy is dead, civil society is dead, people's right to chose their governments is dead. Under TTP or whatever it's called, Corporations become defacto rulers of the world. Yet, where is the media? Nowhere. You need to watch RT to even hear about it!

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:42 | 4320611 akarc
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"Yet the new trade agreement congress wants to fast track is a law to enshrine corporations as extra legal entities, i.e. with laws unto themselves."

FEC vs. Citizens United wasn't enough. Oh god were even more screwed. 

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:26 | 4320546 alien-IQ
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Yes, and we all know how lavish a lifestyle 17.50 per hour buys you in NYC....

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:31 | 4320572 Bangin7GramRocks
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Corporations are already our de facto leaders. This just makes it law. Holy Shit! I would hate to see what Obama would do if he wasn't such a commie leftard! Two mascots, Two colors. One Team! Keep voting by party affiliation. It gives the puppetmasters a good giggle.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:35 | 4320583 NoWayJose
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These are people I WOULD hire. They were not affected by the weather. The unemployment report numbers are lower than expected - due to the 'bad weather'? If you ran a business would you want to hire people that decided to stay home during 'bad weather'? Maybe THAT is the reason they ARE unemployed...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 15:48 | 4320641 Rising Sun
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Fri, 01/10/2014 - 16:53 | 4320861 Canoe in the Desert
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Union Job = never having to work a full day in your life again....the low motivational worker. Now, I am perhaps painting too broad a brush stroke but I personally know union workers in three industries who get paid a full day for about 4 or 5 hours legitimate work then they look for a place to hide or sleep - these are public service union members. They give he other good union workers a bad reputation. To many this is a birth right not just a game. No wonder these people stand in line. I am recruiting for a customer service job that pays $60-80 K per year with benefits. One applicant in a week. Pitiful.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 17:13 | 4320922 Fix It Again Timmy
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Running a freight elevator at Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle, NYC - $40.00/hr.  That was about 7 years ago, I'm sure it must be up to at least $50/hr.....  Why go to college, if you're connected, plum jobs like these are available, your mind turns into tapioca but at least you're not living in the subways...

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 20:34 | 4321393 Yenbot
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Union leaders are extortionists, plain and simple. "You want a laborer? You pay me and I'll give you a laborer!"

Not_Sure is right, folks. Time for some straight talk. Your Boss is an extortionist: "make me $120 an hour while I pay you $8.50, no benefits". Argue with him, and he's got the Govt to back up his extortion. The gov't is an extortionist: "obey and pay taxes or go to Prison". Argue with the govt, and they have the cops and the army to back up their extortion. Its all a racket. So who do you, the individual worker with no army on your side, need to know? A counter-extortionist with an army of cops. And that, my friends, is the Union.

Fri, 01/10/2014 - 20:38 | 4321419 f16hoser
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry?

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