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World War II From Space

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With tensions raging in Asia (and the Middle East) and the anniversary of the start of World War I drawing closer, we thought it contextually useful to look at World War II from a different (and more broad) perspective. This History Channel documentary shows - using an all-seeing CGI eye - a satellite view of the conflicts, allowing you to experience it in a way that places key events and tipping points in a global perspective. By re-creating groundbreaking moments that could never have been captured on camera and by illustrating the importance of simultaneity and the hidden effects of crucial incidents, the war's monumental moments in never- before-seen context. And with new information brought to the forefront, you'll better understand how a nation ranked 19th in the world's militaries in 1939 emerged six years later as the planet's only atomic superpower.

 

 


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Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Jannn
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Guest Post: The New Monetary Order

 

http://www.ingoldwetrust.ch/new-monetary-order

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:15 | Link to Comment UnpatrioticHoarder
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WWII only started because Hitler was running out of gold.

http://www.theworldasittrulyis.com/?p=81

Today NATO has the same problem though ironically Germany is the one with legal entitlement and it is France, the US and UK who are raiding central bank vaults (Libya, BoE etc)

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:21 | Link to Comment sleigher
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thegreateststorynevertold dot tv

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:10 | Link to Comment flacon
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HIGH DEFINITION VERSION OF THE MOVIE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I13EjPEoqQ8

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Doña K
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Big emphasis of success is given to America's intelligence early on in the film. NSA propaganda anyone?

Many of us have different opinions about WWII, but we all agree on one thing. It was not how it was sold to the world.

The truth most likely is somewhere between all of your comments and beyond.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 06:20 | Link to Comment StandardDeviant
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Well, maybe SSA (Signal Security Agency).  The NSA wasn't created until 1952.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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I'd go further and say it was the greatest scam in history.  I've spent close to ten years researching it and in essence everything I used to believe has been proven wrong.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Ohhh more bs from the His Story channel!  Remember, "History is the propaganda of the victors." -Ernst Toller

There's no business like Shoah business! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5QlWJUk4-o

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 00:57 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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"History is a set of lies, agreed upon" -Napolean

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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"Further the process of transformation, even if it brings about revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic, catalyzing event--Like a new Pearl Harbor" PNAC, Rebuilding America's Defenses, Sept 2000

September 11th The New Pearl Harbor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2WFZ1G2QR4

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 22:20 | Link to Comment 90's Child
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Nah the war only happened cause hitler got caught sleeping with Elizabeth

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EZlkoAQD4Oo/Ty-2KwHvsKI/AAAAAAAABUc/NxQ6Y6o90n...

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:22 | Link to Comment G.O.O.D
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And the Japs sailed a fleet over and bombed the shitouta us and we didnt even see it coming.. anyone? anyone? Bueler? anyone?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:00 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Oh, "we" saw it coming:

http://www.amazon.com/Day-Of-Deceit-Truth-Harbor/dp/0743201299

And get ready for Act III for the same, change-the-subject reason.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:08 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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JHC,

FDR practically dared them to attack and solve his unemployment problem!

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:30 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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No, he engineered it. 

Just as the Bushama adminstration is engineering our entrance into WWIII.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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Yes. Fortunately, Iran has learned from the Japanese mistake.

Hopefully, others will keep their calm as well.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 01:14 | Link to Comment Doña K
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Smooth entrance of women into the work force. More cars, (auto transmission) more coka cola, more blue jeans and more consumption.

Now they even sell you dirty used blue jeans for triple the price of the standard. The sheeple we are.

The patent is the same "bread and theater", only the mode changes "electronic games and eternal o'benefits" 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 05:42 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Don't know about the eternal part but games we got, like them drones.

And smoothing women into the work force ---combatantly. Changing the yin-yang balance 'eternally' (eh, may be temporally).

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:38 | Link to Comment shepherd
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WW2 started because France (and England) declared war on Germany NOT the other way around. And then complained about having to fight the germans and almost losing.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:40 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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RISK, bitchez.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:51 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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The banks.

SHOW ME the banks.

This video is useless, without the PROGENITORS.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:50 | Link to Comment garypaul
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I turned it off as soon as he said "Japan attacked unprovoked". 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 22:09 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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FDR did just about everything to start a fight.

Unemployment was rampant in the US and war would solve FDR's popularity problem if he could get people back to work and blame the war on the other guy!

The Japanese were stupid, impatient and got sucked-in!

 

The world is one big chess game and the pawns are clueless!

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 05:52 | Link to Comment old naughty
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guess FDR was told he'd get them bases from Churchill, setting the stage for the next Big One?

So he went along with letting the Emperor's navy attack with a little bit success (don't forget the flattops are all left port)?

Pawns, well, "Here It Is !" (ooops, "I shall return").

New stage, same bunch of pawns (or aliens among us), now readying for the next Big One.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Yes.  FDR was told that if he began to starve Japan of oil they would be forced into war. Two weeks after the meeting that considered the report he gave those very instructions.  The rest, as they say, is history.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Umh
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I heard that too. A minute or so later he gets into the embargo.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:05 | Link to Comment J S Bach
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"WWII only started because Hitler was running out of gold."

 

Wrong, Mr. Hoarder.

 

After the injustice of the Versailles Treaty and the ensuing inflation of the Weimar Republic, Germany had its gold stolen and therefore it wasn't there when Hitler began his term as Chancellor.  

 

In truth, war against Germany was inevitable once Hitler showed the world what economic miracles an honest non-debt-based currency could inspire.  This, the International Usurers could not permit.  If the example became widely understood by the other Western nations, their global Ponzi scheme would have been quickly kaput.

 

And don't let people tell you that it was "because Hitler immediately ordered a massive re-armament program" either.  Not until 1936 did military expenditures really begin to rise (especially with the rebirth of the Luftwaffe).  Up to that point, great public works programs like the Autobahn were put into affect... and because the Mark was revalued based on the labor of the German people - the bane of usury was lifted from the backs of the Deutsche Volk.  By 1938, Germany enjoyed 100% employment.  Compare that to the other First-World nations of the time - all wallowing in a hopeless sea of debt.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:11 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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Say, Bach,

Where did you get this statement from?

"By 1938, Germany enjoyed 100% employment."

Just wondering, do you work for the U.S. Bureau Of Labor Statistics? I have to say, this statement is one of those which mirrors the numbers here almost EXACTLY. WE have a 93.3% 'labor participation rate', according to THEM, almost rivaling Der Fuhrer!

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate

Well, I suppose you could be correct. Those who didn't agree with the politics were employed as well, in Hitler's Germany. Perhaps they weren't paid quite as much, but they DID work...

If a currency is 'non-debt-based', it is based on...WHAT, exactly? The 'good faith and credit of the government of the ... (insert name of shadow government here)'?


Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:37 | Link to Comment J S Bach
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I'm not an economist, Montgomery, but I found this article which answers your questions pretty well.

 

http://www.radicalpress.com/?p=1389

 

Scroll down toward the middle for the explanation on what Hitler based the mark on... "Labor Treasury Certificates".  The whole concept is quite ingenious... especially for a people as industrious as the Germans.  And more importantly, it worked - unfailingly.  Case closed.

 

Also, I apologize for the exaggerated comment about 100% employment... it was actually something like 99.99%.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 02:06 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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So who were hitler's "useless eaters" then?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:15 | Link to Comment Chupacabra-322
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Spot on! "This, the International Usurers could not permit"

I would add that this, The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate could not permit. Germany understood the threat Zionists would pose. It's was an ideology it attempted to rid itself from.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:43 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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Sometimes you find a document that opens new vistas of understanding. This is an outstanding document that reveals the secret behind the mystery:

 

https://archive.org/details/TheRiddleOfTheJewsSuccess

 

A great historical document...

 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:51 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Nice.  Going to download this book and give a listen while I do my pissed off cardio.

Jay Rockefeller said it would be better if the internet never existed, for good reason.  While most boomers are hopelessly brainwashed at this point, they are starting to die out.  I have personally opened the eyes of many of my fellow millenials, and we aren't buying the old bullshit dogma anymore.  9/11 may have seemed like a successful false flag for International Zionism in the short run, but in the long run it will prove to be their undoing.  I put a short video together of the most damning evidence from the "new Pearl Harbor" if you care to have a look.

9/11 The Hard Facts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H2wr0khnJA

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Excellent video Hugh!!

 

..now this

 

September 11th, 1994 White House Plane Crash - The Forgotten Night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eWOtsiIso8

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Thanks Rusty.

Very interesting, had never heard about that cessna.  Paulstal Service always makes great vids.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Well done Mr. Rection.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 05:46 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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"You guys" -should- be alarmed...because when the game is known, people get pissed. The author of the book that I linked to does an exceptional job of laying out the game. He explains "the magicians trick"...in detail.

Why do you think "you guys" been thrown out of more than 85 countries? Has any ONE of you in all of history tried to figure this out?

Joke:

Foreman is hanging out at the pub after work with one of the new guys, having a beer or three. The rumor on the shop floor is that the new guy has been married and divorced 85 times.

Foreman: "I hear you've been married and divorced 85 times. Is that true?"

New guy: "Yep, sure is."

Foreman: "So, what's the story?"

New guy: "They were all bitches."

 

Uh, yeah...riiight.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 23:57 | Link to Comment JuliaS
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WW2 was a direct conequence of the position Germany was put into as a result of WW1. As soon as the British Royal Navy switched from coal to oil powered ships, the message was clear - he who controls the oil, controls the industrial world. It was all going to be about the internal combustion engine and the fuel to run it. There was an explosion of oil-powered tech and refinement byproduct use in the early 1900's.

Germany and eventually Japan became the industrial leaders unmatched by the competition. Unfortunately, like the British, the French and the Americans, they had no oil producing lands or colonis. For them it was all or nothing, in the quest to secure trade routes.

When the biggest oil reserves in the world were discovered in Saudi Arabia around 1904, Germany started laying railroad tracks directrly to the extraciton points. The line was called The Orient Express and it was almost finished. Came within 100km of the target and then the massive sabotage campaigns began, with the Brits and the French deploying devisions as far as Basrah, dismantling the tracks and putting roadblocks.

The message was clear that the project wasn't going to happen. That might've been the single most important reason behind WW1 - the Orient Express line.

Eventually, since every problem Germany tried to resolve through military aciton in response to provocation, only got aggrivated, Germany tried again. By then the world had already been diveded in oil-haves and oil-have not's. Japan was on par with Germany in terms of industrialization but also had squat for oil. They were trying to secure paths to oil through the hostile East, but were too small for the task. The strategic decision to strike the US in response to embargo's was a mistake, but Japan had no options either way. It was all-or-nothing campaigns, exactly as the movie says.

Why Japan and Germany? Simple! Lots of factories, best railroad networks, highest levels of education... no fuel and and international opposition to their peaceful pursuit of trade.

Back then Saudi's would've given an arm and a leg to have direct access to German and Japanese tech. They would've been trading gas for oil exactly as we do now. Deutchmark would've been the petro-dollar. Instead we figured out very quickly what they were trying to do and busted the competition by putting a bigger and better monopoly in place.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 02:41 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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BTW: Japan and Germany had and still have the highest labor productivity rate anywhere.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 06:16 | Link to Comment old naughty
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Ok, loser wins...

who's next? How about you, USSA? 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 07:55 | Link to Comment daemon
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" The line was called The Orient Express ... "

More likely : Baghdad Railway .

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Winston Churchill: "You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."

Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:08 | Link to Comment UnpatrioticHoarder
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The Third Reich was nearly broke before WWII started. The level of government debt was a state secret! Austria was annexed for its central bank gold. His subsequent invasions were in pursuit of gold. Nothing you say refutes any of this. Have you even read the link?

The Jew-haters are out in force on Zero Hedge. What a pathetic lot you are.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:16 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Actually Judea declared war on Germany in 1933. Sound crazy? Hey what does this say...?

http://holocaust-history.net/main/Documents/Judea1.php

 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:38 | Link to Comment moneybots
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"WW2 started because France (and England) declared war on Germany NOT the other way around."

 

But Poland was invaded by Germany, first.  Context.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:42 | Link to Comment shepherd
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A war with Poland does not make a World War.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Was invaded by Germany AND the Soviet Union at the same time.  Yet Germany became the enemy and the SU an ally (later on).  Strange, no?

MOAR context.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 01:25 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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Yes, Polish independence was so important to the Allies they let the Russians basically keep it after the war along with a handful of other countries.

/sarc, as it were.

It was never about Germany retaking what had essentially been German/Prussian land for hundreds of years before ww1... I don't get your junks.  Are people upset with the recitation of facts?  What the fuck are you supposed to say, that Germany started the war by invading Britain?

Presumably the British feared economic competition.  The omnipresent "Rothschilds" get blame of course but none of the 'evidence' of their alleged responsibility seems to be more than totem pole hearsay.  It's one thing to proclaim that all wars are bankers wars [cuz like, nationalism and religion never played a role, eh? Who were the Vikings' bankers, again?] and another to demonstrate it.

 

I was never taught about the atrocities committed against German civilians and POWs after the war, and they lied to me about Iraq, and 9/11 and are lying about Syria, so, at very least, the 6 million figure is very much on the table unless and until someone can provide a solid evidentiary basis for that figure.  What I've seen is wild conjecture backed up with the "antisemite" card...  accept it, or you're a jew hater, blah blah.  How about just providing the same fuckin' evidence we expect of literally every other historical assertion?

That's all.  I have no problem believing Nazi scum would execute people en masse.  But I also have no problem believing the allies and world jewry/zionists could grossly inflate the figure and even make things up for any number of reasons. 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 03:50 | Link to Comment Rubicon
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"It was never about Germany retaking what had essentially been German/Prussian land for hundreds of years before ww1"

 

Hundreds of years eh! I think you will find that the German/Prussian land was actually an Occupation. Polish borders were re-established after WWII.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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I don't get your junks.  Are people upset with the recitation of facts? 

In a word, yes.  I know because I was that soldier.  As my research showed increasingly that the WW2 narrative we'd been given was a total crock of shit I resisted.  At least initially.  The resistance was replaced by a seething rage that I had allowed myself to be duped for so long.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 08:40 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Umm Poland?  If anybody cares...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:01 | Link to Comment Joe A
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No, WWII started because Germany invaded Poland. France and England made it very clear to Germany that that was a line that could not be crossed. And the attack on the Low countries and France was already envisaged.

Edit: this was not a reply to you but it somehow ended up like that.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Nostradamus was supposed to see history like that too, but he saw it before it was made. 

 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:05 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Why do we have to bomb so many countries? Why do we have 900 bases in 130 countries? And we’re totally bankrupt! How are you going to rebuild a military when we have no money? How are we going to take care of the people?

Ron Paul

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:14 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Interesting questions, but perhaps they are a distraction. It seems obvious to me that the plan is to render the US totally impotent, lest it be both willing and able to resist the NWO. Too much harm has been done, in too many different aspects of life, to make me believe anything else. Call it a battle between good and evil, if you wish, or between liberty and slavery. 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:04 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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I would call it a battle between evil and evil or between slavery and serfdom.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:59 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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http://defensetech.org/2012/03/30/chilling-audio-b-52s-shot-at-over-hanoi/

This is only an audio...turn speakers on and up because some comm hard to understand scroll down and click video play sadly Ebony 2   B52D 12-26-72 U-Tapao Capt Robert Morris Pilot...not that lucky  Lilac 03    D 56-0678 12-18-72 Landed at U-Tapao.  350 external holes   You'll hear the term 'uplink' often ...it was the Electronics Warrant Officers job to monitor radar comm in the "SAMs" no uplink, meant it wasn't controlled by radar and would self detonate at varying altitudes rather than locking in on B52s Sometimes Good and Evil have to be measured by degree, but it's hard to find a comparison or metric to adequately describe men like Hitler and Stalin and the systems they tried to enslave us with.   The next anti-Christ will be worldwide. There is your New World Order.
Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:21 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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@Geezer,

Don't worry.

Your statement is INDEED valid.

The questions asked by the Honorable Congressman from the great State of Texas, Dr. Ronald E. Paul, were, in fact, quite valid. The timing was not within the scope of a solution within this age, however (he had been asking the same questions for about 3 decades, back when these COULD still be solved). Others had offered these questions, such as Lindberg, back shortly after the passage of the Federal Reserva Act, but they too were shunned and ignored.

Your statement, unfortunately, leads to only one conclusion (which is still NOT accepted): The United States, and in fact, the entire globe, WILL be enslaved, despite any attempts to change this trajectory. The plan has ALWAYS been thusly to render the United States IMPOTENT, ever since 1789, 1812, 1861, 1876, 1913...I mean, how many times can YOU come in one session?

D'ya KEN, LADDIE?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 23:24 | Link to Comment KickIce
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We are the heart of the NWO.  They're trying to destroy our private sector while keeping the goverment and it's functions strong, and the MIC is key to keeping everyone in line.  We're basically the world police force until everyone can be converted to a United Nations type format.

You know, everything the Founders intended when they drafted The Constitution.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:21 | Link to Comment G.O.O.D
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Bankrupt? Speak for yourself, we can pave the world in dollar bills and we do by the way. With a bionic printing press and checks still left in the check book, we are anything but bankrupt. Quit being an economic girlyman.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:54 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:05 | Link to Comment CitizenPete
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On initial inspection there appears to be way too many propagandists with Bernays ingrained world views and mouths flapping hot air being picked up from "Space".   

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:58 | Link to Comment suteibu
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+100  Chose not to watch after about 5 minutes.

It's America's Rags to Riches story via global war. 

Not like some of the banking families who funded it which is the Rich to Richer story.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:07 | Link to Comment AccreditedEYE
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There is only One all-seeing Eye and He does not share power

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Bloomberg?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:26 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Reggie Love.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:57 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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Henry Kissinger.

No, wait...

Zbignew Brezinski.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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How'd ja like to have my one eyed baby poke you in your all seeing eye?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Schmuck Raker
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Right... four-star general Keith B. Alexander.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:08 | Link to Comment blabam
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Oh how I hate modern "history" programs.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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When I think of all the great and interesting directions that ZH could go, History Channel reruns aren't one of 'em.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:16 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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I watched the video a bit. I stopped when I heard that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was unprovoked. Based on what I've read, that wasn't exactly true.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:13 | Link to Comment trader1
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On October 8, 1940, Admiral James O. RichardsonCommander in Chief, Pacific Fleet, provoked a confrontation with Roosevelt by repeating his earlier arguments to Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Harold R. Stark and Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox that Pearl Harbor was the wrong place for his ships. Roosevelt believed relocating the fleet to Hawaii would exert a "restraining influence" on Japan.[citation needed]

Richardson asked the President if the United States was going to war. Roosevelt's view was:

"At least as early as October 8, 1940, ...affairs had reached such a state that the United States would become involved in a war with Japan. ... 'that if the Japanese attacked Thailand, or the Kra Peninsula, or the Dutch East Indies we would not enter the war, that if they even attacked the Philippines he doubted whether we would enter the war, but that they (the Japanese) could not always avoid making mistakes and that as the war continued and that area of operations expanded sooner of later they would make a mistake and we would enter the war.' ... ".[5][6]

Japan's 1940 move into Vichy-controlled Indochina further raised tensions. When combined with its war with China, withdrawal from the League of Nations, alliance with Germany and Italy, and increasing militarization, the move provoked an attempt to restrain Japan economically. The United States embargoed scrap metal shipments to Japan and closed the Panama Canal to Japanese shipping.[7] This particularly hit Japan's economy hard because 74.1% of Japan's scrap iron came from the United States, documented in 1938. Japan's main source for copper was also heavily dependent on American trade; 93% of Japan's copper in 1939 came from the United States.[8] In early 1941, Japan moved into southern Indochina.[9] thereby threateningBritish MalayaNorth Borneo, and Brunei.

Japan and the U.S. engaged in negotiations during the course of 1941 in an effort to improve relations. During these negotiations Japan considered withdrawal from most of China and Indochina after Japan and Nationalist China drew up peace terms. Japan would also adopt an independent interpretation of the Tripartite Pact, and would not discriminate in trade provided all other countries reciprocated. However, these compromises in China were rejected by General Tojo, then War Minister.[10] Responding to continuing Japanese aggression in China, the U.S. froze Japanese assets in the U.S. on 26 July 1941 and on 1 August established an embargo on oil and gasoline exports to Japan.[11] The oil embargo was an especially strong response because oil was Japan's most crucial import, and more than 80 percent of Japan's oil at the time came from the United States.[12]

Japanese war planners had long looked south, especially to Brunei for oil and to Malaya for rubber and tin. The Navy was (mistakenly) certain any attempt to seize this region would bring the U.S. into the war,[13][page needed] but the complete U.S. oil embargo removed any hesitancy. Moreover, any southern operation would be vulnerable to attack from the Philippines, then a U.S. commonwealth, so war with the U.S. seemed necessary in any case. In addition to this, Japan looked to the Dutch East Indies. In the autumn of 1940, Japan requested 3.15 million barrels of oil from the Dutch East Indies, but received a counter offer of only 1.35 million barrels.[14] Therefore, the Japanese were interested in expansion to the East Indies, but Malaya and the Philippines had to have been cleared in order for the Japanese to secure the area. This meant inevitable U.S. intervention.[15]

After the embargoes and the asset freezes, the Japanese Ambassador to Washington, Kichisabur? Nomura, and U.S. Secretary of State Cordell Hull held multiple meetings in order to resolve Japanese-American relations. But no solution could be agreed upon for three key reasons:

  1. Japan's alliance to Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy through the Tripartite Pact;
  2. Japan wanted economic control and responsibility for southeast Asia;
  3. Japan refused to leave mainland China (without Manchoukuo).[16]

The U.S. embargoes gave Japan a sense of urgency. It would either have to agree to Washington's demands or use force to gain access to the resources it needed.

In their final proposal, on 20 November, Japan offered to withdraw their forces from southern Indochina and not to launch any attacks in southeast Asia provided that the U.S., Britain, and the Netherlands ceased aiding Chinam and lifted their sanctions against Japan.[10] The American counterproposal of 26 November (the Hull note) required Japan to evacuate all of China without conditions and conclude non-aggression pacts with Pacific powers.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:34 | Link to Comment The Wisp
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another little error was the claim that the Wolf packs, were effective.. the u boats did quite well enough solo diverting them to  far flung targets that were never there .

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:23 | Link to Comment TN Jed
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Yes, and I'm growing damned tired of all the Hollywood Nazi porn, like the latest Clooney flick.  It's an unoriginal, dead-horse, can't-lose plot as it is universally agreed Nazis are bad, mmkay? 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:10 | Link to Comment G.O.O.D
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the glory of it all

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:10 | Link to Comment rtalcott
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more history channel crap...gave that up decades ago...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:39 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Not the History Channel, the Hitler Channel.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:15 | Link to Comment Ranger_Will
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Soon to be continued with "World War III: In Space"

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:17 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Should I switch from wearing a tin foil hat to wrapping my entire house in tin foil, or better yet lead? 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:37 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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Well, I suppose the question here must be:

WHERE do you find 'TIN' foil, anyway?

Reynold's Wrap ALUMINIUM FOIL is so much more popular, you know.

Tin foil, also spelled tinfoil, is a thin foil made of tin. Actual tin foil was superseded by cheaper and more durable[citation needed] aluminium foil after World War II, although aluminium foil is still referred to as "tin foil" in many regions. (See also tin can.)

Frikking WW--II, I see.

The paint in my house is pre-1970, and therefore has LEAD in it. I lick the walls constantly (yeah, RIGHT!).

Interesting thing about lead-lined walls: Lead prevents all types of radiation from being transmitted (including 3-G and 4-G). Lead raises the octane number in gasoline, and retards wear of the valve train. Lead is used by the shitload in the bullets that the DHS is buying. Lead was used as ballast in sailboats, as well as 'bottom paint'.

Lead in gasoline was outlawed by the USEPA, due to the fact that Stanford-Binet studies of the I.Q. levels of those who lived next to freeways seemed to be lower than the general population (it had 'nothing' to do with the fact that those who live near freeways don't make as much money, due to the fact that they are less intelligent, and therefore need to live in less-expensive housing, such as that found next to freeways).

You DO understand, of course, that the USEPA has proposed rules that OUTLAW the use of LEAD in rounds sold within the CONUS, to take place in 2017, don't you?

'TIN FOIL HAT'...That's a RIOT!

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:56 | Link to Comment rtalcott
Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:17 | Link to Comment toxic8
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History channel blows,

this was an interesting idea but basically H2 turned it into

one big propogandized American circlce jerk, yeah, we came up in the end conveniently and cleaned the fuck up but...

no mention of 20 million russian lives lost?

no mention of Standard Oil supporting the Nazi war machine?

nothing on US oil embargo of Japan, forcing them to react?

if the US had advanced Radar + had broken Japanese communication cyphers.. why was the US taken by surprise by a fleet of Japanese aircraft flying half way across the world into Pearl Harbor?

no mention of Bush regime selling to Nazi war criminals?

no mentoin of the Patriotic Bush family legacy going way back... as in the failed coup/conspiracy which was stopped by "War is a Racket" Major General Smedley Butler?

no mention of deliberate targeting and massive loss of civilian lives in British bombing campaign against Germany (hamberg etc?)

bunch of hypocrites, democracy this and peace that, and the US is the only country to nuke muthafuckas TWICE off the face of the map

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:20 | Link to Comment shepherd
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And no mentioning of the "holocaust" being a giant fraud industry.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:16 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Don't be a fucking dumbass.

You're saying the Einsatzgruppen & SS were figments of the imagination?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:18 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Don't even try to defend the gas chambers now anymore. Lol.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:30 | Link to Comment nmewn
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You're a twisted little bastard aren't you?

You are now apparently saying ZyklonB was never used at Auschwitz...and just what was the purpose of Auschwitz by the way?

And, what is this?...

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/aftermath03.html

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:36 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Zyklon B was used to disinfect the clothes. Your images show people that died of typhus and starvation, while Germany was bombed to smitherens, that's why they look the way they did. Gas chambers don't make people thin, now do they, knucklehead.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:43 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Normally, you disinfect clothes when the people are not in them...idiot.

So, I guess the Babi Yar (Kiev), the "Harvest Festival" (Poland) and Odessa (Ukraine) massacres are figments of the imagination as well?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:46 | Link to Comment shepherd
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There was no gas chamber in Dachau. So what are you even talking about you jewish liar.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:53 | Link to Comment akak
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And I suppose that Hitler was just a well-intentioned patriot who was grossly misunderstood by non-Germans, is that it?

Fuck off with this insulting neo-Nazi bullshit.  You are probably just another Cass Sunstein paid minion sent here to troll this site with your egregious pro-Nazi lies in the attempt to discredit it, and us.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:02 | Link to Comment akak
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You contemptible bastard, I have known people who were IN some of those death camps (none of them Jews, as it happens, as Hitler and the Nazis were committed to the genocide of far more than just the Jews --- like ALL the Slavs, for starters), and their first-hand accounts are both rather more reliable, and believable, than your vile and malicious revisionist bullshit.

Fuck off and die, troll.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:07 | Link to Comment shepherd
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No, you fuck off. Ever wondered why there is no shortage of "survivors". In fact there are still 200000 "survivors" alive today in Israel and 10000 in the US. That is 70 years after the "fact"!

Now if you could at one time in your life start to think and count you would know that there must have been untold millions of survivors after the war for this to be true.

 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Shepherd- The programming is strong on this one.

I put together a 6 minute vid (Cabbalistic pun intended), highlighting the hard facts of the "holocaust".  In the age of 5 minute attention spans it's unrealistic to expect a sheep to watch a full length documentary, at least until they are slapped in the face with the most glaring evidence.

Hard Facts of The Holocaust: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5QlWJUk4-o

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Dinero D. Profit
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Dachau Concentration Camp

Commandant’s Office

October 1, 1933

 

Disciplinary and Penal Code for the Camp

 

The following penal regulations have been issued within the framework of already existing camp regulations for the maintenance of discipline and order in the Dachau concentration camp.

 

All prisoners in the Dachau concentration camp are subject to these regulations from the moment they enter until the time of their release.

 

Executive disciplinary powers are vested in the Commandant, who is personally responsible to the Chief of Political Police for carrying out the prescribed regulations.

 

Tolerance is a sign of weakness.  Therefore action will be taken without consideration, if and where the Nation’s interests demand it.  The decent citizen who has been incited will not be subjected to punishments laid down in these penal regulations, but let any political or intellectual agitators, whatever their leanings, pay heed:  take care that you are not caught or you will be seized by the throat and silenced according to your own prescriptions.

 

.#6... A penalty of 8 day’s detention and 25 strokes administered before and after the sentence will be given to any person: 1. who makes ironical or jeering remarks to a member of the S.S., who intentionally omits a salute as stipulated, or who by his conduct shows that he does not wish to submit to order and discipline.

 

.#8... A penalty or 14 day’s detention and 25 strokes at the beginning and end of the sentence will be given to any person: 2. who makes unfavorable remarks in letters or other communications about National Socialist leaders, the state or the Government, authorities and institutions, who extols Marxist or liberal leaders or November parties, or who communicates information about events in the camp.

 

.#10... A penalty of 42 days detention or prolonged solitary confinement will be given to any person; 4. who vilifies the emblems of the National Socialist State or those who wear them, insults them or disregards them in any other way. 

 

.#11... Any person, who at work, in the living quarters, kitchen, workshop, toilets or rest places engages in subversive politics, holds provocative speeches, congregates with others for this purpose, forms cliques, loiters, collects, receives or buries information, repeats or smuggles out of the camp by means of a note or some other method to a camp visitor information, either true or false, concerning the camp, to be used in our enemies horror propaganda, or who sends written or verbal message through released or transferred prisoners, conceals them in items of clothing or other objects, throws them over the wall, writes coded messages, or any person in order to incite rebellion climbs onto the roof of the huts or up trees, or transmits signals with a lamp or by any other means, seeks outside contact, or advises, supports or aids others in escape or crime, will be hanged as a subversive instigator under the terms of revolutionary law.

 

.#13... Any person who in the camp, in living quarters, workshops, kitchen, stores, etc. deliberately causes a fire, explosion, flooding, or any other material damage, or any person who tampers in any way which does not correspond to orders given, with the barb-wire fence, high-tension cables, electricity junction box, telephone lines, water pipes, the walls of the camp or other security installations, heating installations or boilers, engines or motor vehicles, will be punished by death as a saboteur.

 

If the deed is committed through negligence the guilty party will be placed in solitary confinement. Doubtful cases will be treated as sabotage.

 

.#19... Solitary confinement consists of a diet of water and dry bread and a hard bed.  The prisoner will be given hot food every 4 days.  Hard labor includes hard physical and especially dirty work carried out under strict surveillance.

                       

The following complementary punishments are laid down;  Punishment drill, flogging, deprivation of mail, withdrawal of food, hard bed, the “post”, reprimands and warning.

 

All punishments will be recorded in the prisoner’s personal file, Detention and hard labor will prolong preventive detention by at least four weeks.  Prisoners in cells cannot be released from the camp within the foreseeable future.

 

The Concentration Camp Commandant

(L.S.)

signed: Eicke

SS-Oberfuhrer.           

 

   

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:54 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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Dachau simply worked the people to death and starved them to death and froze them to death.

No need for such a costly infrastructure...

A 'win-win' situation, I suppose.

NO, I don't buy the official story as reported ever since 1915 or so, about the 'six million jews' (and, by the way, I am NOT one of those so-called 'chosen ones').

YAY ZION, say you. Obvious misdirection...

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:54 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Auschwitz and I'm not jewish.

There was no gas chamber at Auschwitz then?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:05 | Link to Comment akak
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Oh no, Nmewn, that was just the sauna!

Don't you know that Auschwitz (Oswiecim) was just a spa provided by those warm-hearted and generous Nazis for all those non-German "guest workers"?  One has to be positively befuddled and infuriated by their lack of gratitude.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:19 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Yeah, right?...lol.

The kind hearted Death Head formations moving across conquered territory behind the Wermacht, "liberating" the poor peeps from their bondage, to enjoy the Nazi's warm hospitality of vorking vor da faderland or die.

Whats not to love? ;-)

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:23 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Still not defending the gas chambers I see.

Truth vitamins:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtnIrnhpjko

David Cole in Auschwitz:

1)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oinItLYg7qQ

2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsG1wzm5pmc

 

 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:37 | Link to Comment nmewn
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You've called me a Jew...I'm not.

You've said there were no gas chambers...there were.

You've not commented on Einsatzgruppen and their purpose...for good reason.

You've not disputed what Nazis did to civilians by statist design at any turn of this conversation and tried to prevaricate all over the map to avoid the truth of what they did do.

You are chewing gum on the bottom of my shoe.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:42 | Link to Comment shepherd
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The holocaust is about the gas chambers. So you try to avoid that like the plague. Furthermore alone from the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of survivors 70 years after the so called holocaust we can deduct that almost all claims from Jews about that supposed genocide is 100% bullhsit.

Eat on that, stupid one.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:03 | Link to Comment nmewn
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The holocaust IS NOT about the gas chambers, you rodent.

Although it is documented they were in fact used in the "well known German efficiency" at doing things, the holocaust is about the singling out of enemies of the Nazi state for termination.

And you would deny this single well known fact in your grudge against the Jew. The Nazi leadership didn't give a flying fuck if the people in those camps were homos or joooish or slav or communist or retarded or handicapped or pickpockets or democratic or republican or libertarian or atheists or christians or redheads or brunettes.

THEY WERE ALL CONSIDERED ENEMIES OF THE NAZI STATE!

Have I made myself clear?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:09 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Yes, you made yourself clear that you are a fag.

 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:26 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Ernst Rohm was not amused and neither am I.

Troll.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:28 | Link to Comment shepherd
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I'm sure he is a hero of yours, fag.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 22:10 | Link to Comment nmewn
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You've done a lovely job of discrediting skin-head-Nazi logic & fact here tonight on ZH. 

Well done ;-)

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 06:20 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Red eyes at morning, sailor, take warning!

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:45 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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I would be a little less sure than you of the claim they were, from the start, intended as extermination camps...  although it seems pretty certain they ended up that way. 

 

I'd also be far less certain than you are about their being gas chambers at Auschwitz.  When you have the numbers killed there cut in half  - http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-05-07/news/9202100662_1_death-wa... - it's at least worth recalling that if you had claimed that the number was inflated... even with good evidence, you could have been jailed for it.

I suspect that many of those who were killed or died and deemed to be Jewish were in fact Polish Catholics, Russians, and others.

Please take this in the spirit offered.  I have more doubts than you about the numbers and extent because I think what gets into the newspapers and history books is heavily edited, at a minimum.  But I certainly have more sympathy for your position and points than the people you're currently going back and forth with.

Rense isn't a good source {neither is wikipedia} but it is at least possible that the Soviets built the 'gas chambers.'  The Soviets certainly blamed the Germans for the Katyn Forest massacre for years - an atrocity they themselves, without any doubt, had committed.

I would be willing to stop doubting the 6 million figure if I were given something which proves this number beyond hearsay and unsupported allegations.

On the other hand, I definitely don't affirmatively claim it is false either - just that there seems to be reason to doubt its accuracy and basis, at least so far as I can tell. 

 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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How to  know if you're a Holocaust Denier.

http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2013/12/youre-holocaust-denier.html

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 23:20 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Guys, the Auschwitz Museum Curator admitted on camera that the "gas chamber" was a Soviet reconstruction built post war. It was a German bomb shelter and the Soviets knocked down the walls and added the infamous Zyklon B holes. I guess they don't beat us over the head with 20 Hollywood movies every year for no reason!

Watch my short vid on the subject please.  Feel free to call me an asshole and thumbs it down, but please just give it a f-ing look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5QlWJUk4-o

Fri, 01/17/2014 - 15:26 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Well done, sir.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:50 | Link to Comment ManWithaPlan
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7 million, that was the original number first perpetrated. Now, it could be less then a million jews. That right there sais everything. Who would lie about the genocide of their own people and why? People need to change their views on WW2 and the Nazis because they are just plain wrong. Just like the fucking Civil War and how it was to free the slaves...History my ass, fuck Lincoln

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:30 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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People have no interest in the truth, only THEIR truth.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:47 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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The dick in your ass right now is actually there for your pleasure (my semen will disinfect your anus, and I won't come in your ass or your mouth, you little bitch).

MORE lice at Auschwitz, I suppose, than Dachau.

Much was made of the bills of lading for deliveries of this fumigant at the Nuremberg Trials. It is reasoned that most of the concentration camps used Zyklon to kill vermin and fight disease thereby reducing the camp death rates. Other camps, designated by experts as extermination camps used the same Zyklon to kill inmates and thereby increase the camp death rates. Therefore, deliveries of Zyklon to Dachau was beneficial and humane while delivery of Zyklon to Auschwitz was criminal.

http://www.stormfront.org/revision/ff5zyklonb.html

HEIL HITLER!

 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:51 | Link to Comment shepherd
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No wonder Tel Aviv is the homosexual capital of the world, you jewish fag.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:59 | Link to Comment nmewn
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So, you're saying little skin head pricks like you aren't fond of homo's either...maybe unless they're lady homo's?

Do tell ;-)

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:25 | Link to Comment akak
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I see we have a number of sockpuppets upvoting the neo-Nazis here and downvoting the voices of reason.

So this is the latest COINTELPRO tactic to destroy ZH as an anti-establishment forum --- discredit it by overrunning it with neo-Nazi trolls?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:26 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I'm gonna chalk it up to the HuffPo-type readership that has infected this place once it became popular...anything to besmirch ZH is probably the goal.

Little goose stepping maggots...maybe we should start our Own Final Solution ;-)

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:26 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Someone better call the jewish internet police:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool 

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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You're probably right.  I hope you don't lump me in with these cognitive infiltrators, but do as you like.  I take the position that the 6 million number may have in fact been greatly exaggerated, based on the complete reversal of responsibility for the Katyn Forest massacre, the fact there are laws against even questioning it, and the fact I am just about as certain as I can be of anything that the official version of 9/11 simply isn't true  {although I don't claim to know what is}.

Again, to be precise, the above make me open to the notion that the 6m figure is exaggerated.  Certainly, the Soviet role early in the war as to Poland has all but been sent down the memory hole, as have the atrocities against German civilians after the war.

 

I have zero respect for nazi loving trolls, but I also have no respect for anyone who claims you can question {or have doubts} about anyfuckingthing in the  history of the world - except the 6m figure.  That is absolute nonsense - even if the basic narrative of the extermination camps is mostly true and accurate.

 

Just my 2 cents.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:14 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Its cool.

It doesn't matter what the final figure is with me and I don't care. Civilian death by consequence of war is the collateral damage of any war and is to be expected. The state sponsered, rounding up of non-combatant civilians and systematic termination of them with extreme prejudice is something different.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:24 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Sounds like what the United States did to the Indians.

And no matter how often you repeat it, just because Jews claim something does NOT make it true. Infact, if most Jews claim something you can be sure it is a lie.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:55 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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Agreed. 

 

I'd add that the Russians and Chinese ostensibly killed far more non-combatants than the Germans, and to me, it doesn't matter very much that it was more or less brother killing brothers rather than inter-ethnic...  simply on the theory that the murder of a human being is not less heinous because the government doing it did it for reason A rather than B - although I appreciate that reasonable people can take the view that the Nazi plan was 'worse'.  I just don't agree, and don't agree that the Nazi Holocaust was all that "unique" - on the theory that people should not think that human beings had not been before or since capable of such horrors.  I see the deaths in Dresden and Hiroshima as every bit as evil, and the wonton destruction of human life in Iraq by blockade and war as only "better" academically.

It certainly isn't any better for the hundreds of thousands who are no longer alive.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:19 | Link to Comment akak
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Wow.  And pathetic, that such a dishonest, disingenuous and malicious Nazi and totalitarian apologist would receive even two upvotes here.  Who the FUCK is ignorant and/or evil enough to agree with such malignant and malicious lies?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Hugh G Rection
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Ad hominem attacks are a sign you are losing an argument.  The next step is pounding your chest and flinging feces.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 00:21 | Link to Comment SmackDaddy
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im with you on this, dude.  but ive seen you say some equally dumb shit about the civil war

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Johnny Cocknballs
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The deniers are batshit crazy, the "revisionists" not necessarily so. 

I would have shied away from any sort of 'revisionism' but 9/11 happened - and the story going in the history books simply isn't what happened.

The Katyne Forest massacre was originally blamed on the Nazis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFQiyP44mjg

The American press ran with this to villify them.  Now the notion that Jews have disproportionate influence in the media is just an antisemitic canard, of course, but we can certainly at least suppose that newspapers would be willing to lie to foment feeling against a target. 

It was the Nazis themselves who called in the Red Cross and reporters, while it was the Soviet secret police, many of them Jewish, coincidentally, that massacred the Poles on their side of Poland.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/us-witness-report-found-on-st...

You have to question any narrative of WW2 that claims Germany started the war by invading Poland, while leaving out the fact the Soviets also invaded Poland about a week later - then again few are aware that the Soviets were also attacking Finland on the thin premise it had once been part of their Empire...which was true, they had earlier stolen it from Sweden - but they never asked the Finns or Lapps what they might have thought.

So, Germany invades and occupies land that had, largely, formerly been German, while Russia occupies land that was never Russian.  But Britain and France only declare war on Germany, caring so little, in fact, for the freedom of Poland that they allowed the Russians to effectively annex and brutally rule all of it after the war.

With this in mind, and respectfully, if I were you I'd be open to more doubt than you'd find on a History Channel Presentation.

 

Which, in turn, isn't the same thing as pretending the Nazis weren't genocidal racist fanatics. 

 

Which isn't the same thing as refusing to doubt that the Nazis actually killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps, either.  Look, we lived through the new pearl harbor, and like the last one, the official story isn't the whole story.

If you do your research and come away feeling the 6 million figure is reasonably accurate - good for you.  I don't know it to be false - but also don't know it to be true. For my part, while I have no doubt about the purpose of those camps, or the horrors Jews and others suffered there, or how truly evil Nazi ideology was, I remain unconvinced that the 6 million number is anything but a grossly inflated, symbolic figure which became crucial as a political tool for, i.e. forcing the West to overlook the brutal massacres and ethnic cleansing of newborn 'Israel' - which had been the plan of the Zionists for decades before anyone ever heard of a nazi.

The fact it is illegal in many countries to "question" a historical event suggests to me that there may be something to hide. 

 

Even if not, the orthofox 9/11 narrative is weapons-grade horseshit, and so is "al qaeda" and its in that spirit, that I wouldn't be too sure that the ww2 narrative isn't wildly inaccurate.

 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Thanks.  A fair and balanced assessement.  Apart from denying that Jews have disproportionate influence in the media. Are you serious?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:36 | Link to Comment ManWithaPlan
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The fact is that the allies and the jews exaggerated the holocaust be a sizable amount to demonize the nazi's in order to justify so many things... Such as Isreal and the MIC

 

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look those pictures were taken after the allies had bombed the hell out of germany. there was no food supplies or anything going to the camps, diseases were running rampant throughout germany...of course everyone held in those camps died. Would you have given a shit about a bunch of Japs held in a camp if they were bombing your city? Killing everyone you knew? No.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:49 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Who were in the camps and why? They weren't JUST jooos.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:58 | Link to Comment ManWithaPlan
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People deemed a threat during a war? Pretty standard practice, heard of Guantanamo? Look, no one is the good guy. That is really the point. The allies weren't some angelic force ordained by god to fight the evil godless nazis. It's just packaged that way so we rah rah for the troops and don't question when we kill the peasants.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 20:06 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Oh, I'm under no illusion of what we're capable of or what individual soldiers are capable of.

But the systematic butchering of "selected people" is just a tad over the top...besides, we don't have any evidence of trenches being dug for mass graves around Guantanamo...do we? ;-)

Had a American-Pole who lived behind me when I lived in the city, he's passed away now. There was no quarter given (by him) to any German caught in uniform...Wermacht or otherwise.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:16 | Link to Comment ManWithaPlan
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Heh, you joke about the mass graves that are not present at Guantanemo... What about the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by us invading Iraq and Afghanistan unjustly. Those were massacres, how many American deaths? 3k? The death and destruction caused to the locals and the region is uncountable and unimaginable...Who was Saddam compared to? Was it Hitler? Wasn't it the next Axis of Evil? Come on now... It's clear as day.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:40 | Link to Comment nmewn
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You're certainly not claiming that Saddam and his two bastard sons compare to Hitler or Stalin and neither am I. But it wasn't "just us" there.

And no, I'm not the least but interested in sending our people out into the world to fight other peoples wars...let China & Russia do it for a while and see how that turns out for them in the game of thrones.

The game never ends.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 21:45 | Link to Comment shepherd
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The jewish NEOCONS certainly compared Ahmadinejad to Hitler. You're gonna deny that?

 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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Correct spelling please. Holocau$t.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Ranger_Will
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A Brief History of the History Channel:

http://i.imgur.com/KJ9aL.jpg

The History Channel - "Now with more aliens!"

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:27 | Link to Comment toxic8
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No mention of Nazi occult squadron - "Ahnenerbe"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe

 

A people's history from MIT:

http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html

 

No mention of massive importation of Nazi scientist and "leading thinkers" and payroll / integration into American society?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

 

Disney and von Braun:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Walt_Disney_and_Dr._W...

 

Tom Lehrer - "Werner von Braun"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:29 | Link to Comment shepherd
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Good luck getting to the moon without german scientists.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:31 | Link to Comment Ranger_Will
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Your name wouldn't happen to be Alan would it?

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:36 | Link to Comment shepherd
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No, my name is Hans Kraut.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:39 | Link to Comment toxic8
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Ah, my good friend Hans ... my favorite Backpfeifengeischt!

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:08 | Link to Comment FeralSerf
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Or: "Good luck getting to the moon without jewish Hollywood."

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:20 | Link to Comment LibertarianMenace
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Our Germans happened to be just a smidge better than their Germans, but nobody was going anywhere fast until the Russians incorporated state space methods in their flight control systems. It was Russian applied mathematics that got the US MIC to the moon.

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 19:33 | Link to Comment toxic8
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Ze rockets go up - I don't care where they come down..

"That's not my department!"

Said Verner Von Braun!

 

Great song!

Sun, 01/12/2014 - 18:59 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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@ toxic8:

KUDOS for Professor Tom Lehrer, you steely-eyed missile man!

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!