World War II From Space

Tyler Durden's picture

With tensions raging in Asia (and the Middle East) and the anniversary of the start of World War I drawing closer, we thought it contextually useful to look at World War II from a different (and more broad) perspective. This History Channel documentary shows - using an all-seeing CGI eye - a satellite view of the conflicts, allowing you to experience it in a way that places key events and tipping points in a global perspective. By re-creating groundbreaking moments that could never have been captured on camera and by illustrating the importance of simultaneity and the hidden effects of crucial incidents, the war's monumental moments in never- before-seen context. And with new information brought to the forefront, you'll better understand how a nation ranked 19th in the world's militaries in 1939 emerged six years later as the planet's only atomic superpower.

 

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akak's picture

Oh no, Nmewn, that was just the sauna!

Don't you know that Auschwitz (Oswiecim) was just a spa provided by those warm-hearted and generous Nazis for all those non-German "guest workers"?  One has to be positively befuddled and infuriated by their lack of gratitude.

nmewn's picture

Yeah, right?...lol.

The kind hearted Death Head formations moving across conquered territory behind the Wermacht, "liberating" the poor peeps from their bondage, to enjoy the Nazi's warm hospitality of vorking vor da faderland or die.

Whats not to love? ;-)

nmewn's picture

You've called me a Jew...I'm not.

You've said there were no gas chambers...there were.

You've not commented on Einsatzgruppen and their purpose...for good reason.

You've not disputed what Nazis did to civilians by statist design at any turn of this conversation and tried to prevaricate all over the map to avoid the truth of what they did do.

You are chewing gum on the bottom of my shoe.

shepherd's picture

The holocaust is about the gas chambers. So you try to avoid that like the plague. Furthermore alone from the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of survivors 70 years after the so called holocaust we can deduct that almost all claims from Jews about that supposed genocide is 100% bullhsit.

Eat on that, stupid one.

nmewn's picture

The holocaust IS NOT about the gas chambers, you rodent.

Although it is documented they were in fact used in the "well known German efficiency" at doing things, the holocaust is about the singling out of enemies of the Nazi state for termination.

And you would deny this single well known fact in your grudge against the Jew. The Nazi leadership didn't give a flying fuck if the people in those camps were homos or joooish or slav or communist or retarded or handicapped or pickpockets or democratic or republican or libertarian or atheists or christians or redheads or brunettes.

THEY WERE ALL CONSIDERED ENEMIES OF THE NAZI STATE!

Have I made myself clear?

shepherd's picture

Yes, you made yourself clear that you are a fag.

 

nmewn's picture

Ernst Rohm was not amused and neither am I.

Troll.

shepherd's picture

I'm sure he is a hero of yours, fag.

nmewn's picture

You've done a lovely job of discrediting skin-head-Nazi logic & fact here tonight on ZH. 

Well done ;-)

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

I would be a little less sure than you of the claim they were, from the start, intended as extermination camps...  although it seems pretty certain they ended up that way. 

 

I'd also be far less certain than you are about their being gas chambers at Auschwitz.  When you have the numbers killed there cut in half  - http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1992-05-07/news/9202100662_1_death-wa... - it's at least worth recalling that if you had claimed that the number was inflated... even with good evidence, you could have been jailed for it.

I suspect that many of those who were killed or died and deemed to be Jewish were in fact Polish Catholics, Russians, and others.

Please take this in the spirit offered.  I have more doubts than you about the numbers and extent because I think what gets into the newspapers and history books is heavily edited, at a minimum.  But I certainly have more sympathy for your position and points than the people you're currently going back and forth with.

Rense isn't a good source {neither is wikipedia} but it is at least possible that the Soviets built the 'gas chambers.'  The Soviets certainly blamed the Germans for the Katyn Forest massacre for years - an atrocity they themselves, without any doubt, had committed.

I would be willing to stop doubting the 6 million figure if I were given something which proves this number beyond hearsay and unsupported allegations.

On the other hand, I definitely don't affirmatively claim it is false either - just that there seems to be reason to doubt its accuracy and basis, at least so far as I can tell. 

 

Hugh G Rection's picture

Guys, the Auschwitz Museum Curator admitted on camera that the "gas chamber" was a Soviet reconstruction built post war. It was a German bomb shelter and the Soviets knocked down the walls and added the infamous Zyklon B holes. I guess they don't beat us over the head with 20 Hollywood movies every year for no reason!

Watch my short vid on the subject please.  Feel free to call me an asshole and thumbs it down, but please just give it a f-ing look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5QlWJUk4-o

ManWithaPlan's picture

7 million, that was the original number first perpetrated. Now, it could be less then a million jews. That right there sais everything. Who would lie about the genocide of their own people and why? People need to change their views on WW2 and the Nazis because they are just plain wrong. Just like the fucking Civil War and how it was to free the slaves...History my ass, fuck Lincoln

ILLILLILLI's picture

People have no interest in the truth, only THEIR truth.

MontgomeryScott's picture

The dick in your ass right now is actually there for your pleasure (my semen will disinfect your anus, and I won't come in your ass or your mouth, you little bitch).

MORE lice at Auschwitz, I suppose, than Dachau.

Much was made of the bills of lading for deliveries of this fumigant at the Nuremberg Trials. It is reasoned that most of the concentration camps used Zyklon to kill vermin and fight disease thereby reducing the camp death rates. Other camps, designated by experts as extermination camps used the same Zyklon to kill inmates and thereby increase the camp death rates. Therefore, deliveries of Zyklon to Dachau was beneficial and humane while delivery of Zyklon to Auschwitz was criminal.

http://www.stormfront.org/revision/ff5zyklonb.html

HEIL HITLER!

 

shepherd's picture

No wonder Tel Aviv is the homosexual capital of the world, you jewish fag.

nmewn's picture

So, you're saying little skin head pricks like you aren't fond of homo's either...maybe unless they're lady homo's?

Do tell ;-)

akak's picture

I see we have a number of sockpuppets upvoting the neo-Nazis here and downvoting the voices of reason.

So this is the latest COINTELPRO tactic to destroy ZH as an anti-establishment forum --- discredit it by overrunning it with neo-Nazi trolls?

nmewn's picture

I'm gonna chalk it up to the HuffPo-type readership that has infected this place once it became popular...anything to besmirch ZH is probably the goal.

Little goose stepping maggots...maybe we should start our Own Final Solution ;-)

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

You're probably right.  I hope you don't lump me in with these cognitive infiltrators, but do as you like.  I take the position that the 6 million number may have in fact been greatly exaggerated, based on the complete reversal of responsibility for the Katyn Forest massacre, the fact there are laws against even questioning it, and the fact I am just about as certain as I can be of anything that the official version of 9/11 simply isn't true  {although I don't claim to know what is}.

Again, to be precise, the above make me open to the notion that the 6m figure is exaggerated.  Certainly, the Soviet role early in the war as to Poland has all but been sent down the memory hole, as have the atrocities against German civilians after the war.

 

I have zero respect for nazi loving trolls, but I also have no respect for anyone who claims you can question {or have doubts} about anyfuckingthing in the  history of the world - except the 6m figure.  That is absolute nonsense - even if the basic narrative of the extermination camps is mostly true and accurate.

 

Just my 2 cents.

nmewn's picture

Its cool.

It doesn't matter what the final figure is with me and I don't care. Civilian death by consequence of war is the collateral damage of any war and is to be expected. The state sponsered, rounding up of non-combatant civilians and systematic termination of them with extreme prejudice is something different.

shepherd's picture

Sounds like what the United States did to the Indians.

And no matter how often you repeat it, just because Jews claim something does NOT make it true. Infact, if most Jews claim something you can be sure it is a lie.

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

Agreed. 

 

I'd add that the Russians and Chinese ostensibly killed far more non-combatants than the Germans, and to me, it doesn't matter very much that it was more or less brother killing brothers rather than inter-ethnic...  simply on the theory that the murder of a human being is not less heinous because the government doing it did it for reason A rather than B - although I appreciate that reasonable people can take the view that the Nazi plan was 'worse'.  I just don't agree, and don't agree that the Nazi Holocaust was all that "unique" - on the theory that people should not think that human beings had not been before or since capable of such horrors.  I see the deaths in Dresden and Hiroshima as every bit as evil, and the wonton destruction of human life in Iraq by blockade and war as only "better" academically.

It certainly isn't any better for the hundreds of thousands who are no longer alive.

akak's picture

Wow.  And pathetic, that such a dishonest, disingenuous and malicious Nazi and totalitarian apologist would receive even two upvotes here.  Who the FUCK is ignorant and/or evil enough to agree with such malignant and malicious lies?

Hugh G Rection's picture

Ad hominem attacks are a sign you are losing an argument.  The next step is pounding your chest and flinging feces.

SmackDaddy's picture

im with you on this, dude.  but ive seen you say some equally dumb shit about the civil war

Johnny Cocknballs's picture

The deniers are batshit crazy, the "revisionists" not necessarily so. 

I would have shied away from any sort of 'revisionism' but 9/11 happened - and the story going in the history books simply isn't what happened.

The Katyne Forest massacre was originally blamed on the Nazis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFQiyP44mjg

The American press ran with this to villify them.  Now the notion that Jews have disproportionate influence in the media is just an antisemitic canard, of course, but we can certainly at least suppose that newspapers would be willing to lie to foment feeling against a target. 

It was the Nazis themselves who called in the Red Cross and reporters, while it was the Soviet secret police, many of them Jewish, coincidentally, that massacred the Poles on their side of Poland.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/us-witness-report-found-on-st...

You have to question any narrative of WW2 that claims Germany started the war by invading Poland, while leaving out the fact the Soviets also invaded Poland about a week later - then again few are aware that the Soviets were also attacking Finland on the thin premise it had once been part of their Empire...which was true, they had earlier stolen it from Sweden - but they never asked the Finns or Lapps what they might have thought.

So, Germany invades and occupies land that had, largely, formerly been German, while Russia occupies land that was never Russian.  But Britain and France only declare war on Germany, caring so little, in fact, for the freedom of Poland that they allowed the Russians to effectively annex and brutally rule all of it after the war.

With this in mind, and respectfully, if I were you I'd be open to more doubt than you'd find on a History Channel Presentation.

 

Which, in turn, isn't the same thing as pretending the Nazis weren't genocidal racist fanatics. 

 

Which isn't the same thing as refusing to doubt that the Nazis actually killed 6 million Jews in concentration camps, either.  Look, we lived through the new pearl harbor, and like the last one, the official story isn't the whole story.

If you do your research and come away feeling the 6 million figure is reasonably accurate - good for you.  I don't know it to be false - but also don't know it to be true. For my part, while I have no doubt about the purpose of those camps, or the horrors Jews and others suffered there, or how truly evil Nazi ideology was, I remain unconvinced that the 6 million number is anything but a grossly inflated, symbolic figure which became crucial as a political tool for, i.e. forcing the West to overlook the brutal massacres and ethnic cleansing of newborn 'Israel' - which had been the plan of the Zionists for decades before anyone ever heard of a nazi.

The fact it is illegal in many countries to "question" a historical event suggests to me that there may be something to hide. 

 

Even if not, the orthofox 9/11 narrative is weapons-grade horseshit, and so is "al qaeda" and its in that spirit, that I wouldn't be too sure that the ww2 narrative isn't wildly inaccurate.

 

Rafferty's picture

Thanks.  A fair and balanced assessement.  Apart from denying that Jews have disproportionate influence in the media. Are you serious?

ManWithaPlan's picture

The fact is that the allies and the jews exaggerated the holocaust be a sizable amount to demonize the nazi's in order to justify so many things... Such as Isreal and the MIC

 

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look those pictures were taken after the allies had bombed the hell out of germany. there was no food supplies or anything going to the camps, diseases were running rampant throughout germany...of course everyone held in those camps died. Would you have given a shit about a bunch of Japs held in a camp if they were bombing your city? Killing everyone you knew? No.

nmewn's picture

Who were in the camps and why? They weren't JUST jooos.

ManWithaPlan's picture

People deemed a threat during a war? Pretty standard practice, heard of Guantanamo? Look, no one is the good guy. That is really the point. The allies weren't some angelic force ordained by god to fight the evil godless nazis. It's just packaged that way so we rah rah for the troops and don't question when we kill the peasants.

nmewn's picture

Oh, I'm under no illusion of what we're capable of or what individual soldiers are capable of.

But the systematic butchering of "selected people" is just a tad over the top...besides, we don't have any evidence of trenches being dug for mass graves around Guantanamo...do we? ;-)

Had a American-Pole who lived behind me when I lived in the city, he's passed away now. There was no quarter given (by him) to any German caught in uniform...Wermacht or otherwise.

ManWithaPlan's picture

Heh, you joke about the mass graves that are not present at Guantanemo... What about the hundreds of thousands of deaths caused by us invading Iraq and Afghanistan unjustly. Those were massacres, how many American deaths? 3k? The death and destruction caused to the locals and the region is uncountable and unimaginable...Who was Saddam compared to? Was it Hitler? Wasn't it the next Axis of Evil? Come on now... It's clear as day.

nmewn's picture

You're certainly not claiming that Saddam and his two bastard sons compare to Hitler or Stalin and neither am I. But it wasn't "just us" there.

And no, I'm not the least but interested in sending our people out into the world to fight other peoples wars...let China & Russia do it for a while and see how that turns out for them in the game of thrones.

The game never ends.

shepherd's picture

The jewish NEOCONS certainly compared Ahmadinejad to Hitler. You're gonna deny that?

 

Rafferty's picture

Correct spelling please. Holocau$t.

Ranger_Will's picture

A Brief History of the History Channel:

http://i.imgur.com/KJ9aL.jpg

The History Channel - "Now with more aliens!"

toxic8's picture

No mention of Nazi occult squadron - "Ahnenerbe"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahnenerbe

 

A people's history from MIT:

http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html

 

No mention of massive importation of Nazi scientist and "leading thinkers" and payroll / integration into American society?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

 

Disney and von Braun:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Walt_Disney_and_Dr._W...

 

Tom Lehrer - "Werner von Braun"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjDEsGZLbio

shepherd's picture

Good luck getting to the moon without german scientists.

Ranger_Will's picture

Your name wouldn't happen to be Alan would it?

shepherd's picture

No, my name is Hans Kraut.

toxic8's picture

Ah, my good friend Hans ... my favorite Backpfeifengeischt!

FeralSerf's picture

Or: "Good luck getting to the moon without jewish Hollywood."

LibertarianMenace's picture

Our Germans happened to be just a smidge better than their Germans, but nobody was going anywhere fast until the Russians incorporated state space methods in their flight control systems. It was Russian applied mathematics that got the US MIC to the moon.

toxic8's picture

Ze rockets go up - I don't care where they come down..

"That's not my department!"

Said Verner Von Braun!

 

Great song!

MontgomeryScott's picture

@ toxic8:

KUDOS for Professor Tom Lehrer, you steely-eyed missile man!

Chupacabra-322's picture

@ toxic8

Preaching to the choir. Operation Paperclip which established the Criminal CIA run out the the then OSS as well as created NASA.

Prescott Bush, Standard Oil, Ford, Rockefeller, IBM etc.... All funded the NAZI War machine.

Criminals still at large.