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Gold And Silver Are Spiking
Following this morning's smackdown, it appears low prices encouraged demand and in the last few minutes, gold and silver turned green for the day and surged on heavy futures volume back above $1250 and $20.25 respectively.
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Hallelujah!!!
2014
will be a great year for volatility!
<-- Gold to test 1280
<-- Gold will continue to be capped at 1250
Got to hold the close above $1250. Then we'll see.
Gold is already over $1250:
Live Gold Chart: http://www.pmbull.com/gold-price/
Live Silver Chart: http://www.pmbull.com/silver-price/
Whether it stays there or not, I don't know.
It's fun when it is up for a change though. Will it stay capped? Today, I don't know. Long term, it will not.
So I'm confused.... is it the "dollar" you are excited about or the metals?
Also, supposing you are a real anarchist or libertarian, why is it important to have "dollars"? If you are honestly interested in metals (I don't think you guys are because you're a bunch of fakes) why not circulate a silver coin not issued by government, free from any government markings, made of silver and call it "silver coin"?
You mean like the Liberty Dollar guy who was arrested and all his coins confiscated? Maybe that's why not...
Perfect example. Von Nothaus was a "stacker" who had some balls. The rest of you on the other hand....
Maybe you can be like the TV anchorman and show us your bitcraps to prove you have some?
Belive me, it's not just Bitcoin you guys don't understand. It's gold, silver and the theory of sound money that you don't understand. Either that, or else you're a bunch of pussies.
You stated:
If you are honestly interested in metals (I don't think you guys are because you're a bunch of fakes) why not circulate a silver coin not issued by government, free from any government markings, made of silver and call it "silver coin"?
Um, ever heard of a little something called a private mint? They make things called Rounds and Bars, which are not issued by government, free from any government markings, made of silver. They just so happen to not be called a "silver coin." They can be denominated in any currency you like.
Your statement above proves you to be the ignorant charlatan that you are.
Furthermore, I think you are pissed because BTC is still under $900, after you relentlessly pumped it at over $1200. And yes, that is priced in dollars, which is exactly what the junk at Overstock is priced in first, before you try to exchange your declining BTC for it.
Bitcoin is declining? Wow, you must be a real idiot to believe that... in five years it's gone from $0 to over $1000. Yeah, that's a pretty big "decline" fool.
I believe Bitcoin is a government initiative. A digital currency gaining widespread acceptance, as opposed to anything else that can't be easily tracked and traced (like cash and PM's), is the give away.
Excuse, my post below fonestar.
That should have been $1200 - $800 = ($400). It's declining so fast that I can't keep up.
But you keep pretending it has grown since you turned on the pumping afterburners at $1200.
I might start a fonestar pump index and check the correlation between BTC tops vs. fonestar pumps. I bet it is quite high.
Bitcoin is a real market. The charts above are not real and have nothing to do with gold and silver.
Bitcoin will go to six and seven figures. The idiots on this site will still be idiots without a clue as to why.
Making generalizations of an entire demographic merely showcases your own ignorance. We're a "group of folks", not an individual. I don't disagree that BTC could go to the moon in dollar terms, but dollars are the worst thing you could be holding. When SHTF do you think farmer Bill is going to want digital currency or some silver? You can be rich and be a slave to the beast system with BTC, or you can be rich and free with metals. It's not that complicated.
Durrrrhrhhhhrrrrr.
Bitcoin crash from 1200 to 800... Durrrhrhrhrhrhrhrh.
Call me when it hits 12 dollars if you want to say that it's crashing.
867-5309
Thanks.
"I believe Bitcoin is a government initiative. A digital currency gaining widespread acceptance, as opposed to anything else that can't be easily tracked and traced (like cash and PM's), is the give away."
Wow you must believe a lot of crap then hey? Because I run in much more technical circles than most of you and nobody I know owns any Bitcoin.
You said:
Because I run in much more technical circles than most of you
LOL. Can I get you to cite your source for this?
For somebody that keeps presenting themselves as an intelligent, logical and technical kind of guy, I see an awful lot of assumptions and twisted observations regarding "non-believers" or agnostics being used to support what appears to be a religious belief in some computer bits. Not sure I want to follow the advice of a highly emotion-driven creature wearing blinders.
You accuse me of ad-hominem attacks and yet none of you have ever bothered to reply to question of why you are excited about fake markets that have nothing to do with gold and silver? Or why if gold and silver are already money it requires government stamps to make it usable money?
So I guess what I'm asking in a nutshell, is why braindead mind control experiments can't see they're braindead mind control experiments?
I can understand why someone to entrenched in the Statist paradigmn would give the answers you do. Try this -- read a book.
WHY would I hand someone a Toz of Ag (for petrol, for example), when most of the Ignorati are fat, dumb and happy to accept a piece of paper with A. Jackson's picture on it?
"Being fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son."
Bitcoin is a new project.
Nothing else can discredit any new project so efficiently, as its discredits the unconditional support of the idiots side.
$1200 - $900 = ($300). Simple math. Idiot indeed.
I must have missed your 100 posts per day at $0.
I'll be sure to pay more attention next time.
Oh no! A pullback fool! And go back and check my posts, I was saying all the same things at < $50 BTC.
We've never seen a product like Bitcoin that has so many advantages over its competition in history. Your "dollars" are over man, and your fake libertarians are not going to have jack-shit left to rescue.
33% is a pullback and my dollars are over man?
Now you pretend that people invested in precious metals are somehow dollar lovers?
LOL. Your despearation is showing.
The utter lack of logic in your responses and your ability to twist A into Z proves that you have gone off the deep end.
You are just a wounded animal, lashing out.
Your volume of posts at $1200 was likely 10X your posts at <50, as was your speculative investment in BTC.
My volume of posts has been consistent the whole time from $50 - $1000 BTC. You don't like precious metals, you're fake! I like precious metals because I have told my employer I would rather be paid in physical silver and Bitcoin. You're pathetic scam artists that will become emotionally invested in some "leader" (claiming to be a libertarian) who can start the paper rectangle-gold scam over again. I heard there's going to be a Bush 3.0, sounds like the perfect ticket for dunces like you!!
LOL. Yeah, I don't like precious metals because I don't buy BTC. That is some twisted logic.
And more assumptions. Find one post where I even talk about Libertarianism, or any Libertarian leader. You won't.
Your assumptions and backwards logic are embarrassing for you, but I'm sure that you believe it will do a great job getting people to put their wealth into BTC. Keep it up.
fonestar, you are true study in how not to promote something, LOL. You better read up on the art of persuasion real quick or your masters are going to cut off the paycheck for your posts.
I don't want to "promote" Bitcoin to fucking idiots. I don't want the likes of you on my team and Bitcoin does not need wide-scale adoption to make five, six and seven figures. If you haven't grasped Bitcoin by now, you are not going to ever grasp it. Tough shit, volunteer as historical roadkill and get killed.
LOL. Did I hurt your feelings? You are a real treat. A little too thin skinned, but that's what makes you so funny.
I bought BTC at $16. I was on here proclaiming the supremacy of BTC at $50. I am still on here predicting a BTC victory at $900 BTC. The ultimate outcome of this is very simple and straight-forward for those that truly understand sound money and technology.
Bitcoin is the Debil!
"I don't want to "promote" Bitcoin to fucking idiots"
Perfect! Surely you think we all fall under that umbrella. Before you leave, for good, please go and fetch the rubber ball I am about to throw into heavy traffic.
these are the 7 figures bitcoin will make:
$USD 0.0000001
your posts for btc < $100/ea pretty much are near zero.
no, you weren't. I've been watching all the comments for years & that comment from you never happened.
math iz fer shillz! th3 bitcoinz haz the invulnerablez!
becuz of the mathz...
...oh wait
You're on LSD: Low-esteem Sourced Delusion.
Bitcoin's never getting up to 1200 again, it's slamming down to 900, then 500, then 200, then $2 then it's done.
Dropped to 868 today... you're gonna be real butt-hurt at 86.8 usd/btc!
just imagine how he'll react when it hits $90!
poor little shillionaire...
fonestar , you speak the truth , be carefull people do not like that around hear.
He speaks what his handlers at the NSA tell him to speak.
It's you that is a fake shill for the establishment. Not that your conspiracy addled brain could even comprehend that though.
"Believe me, it's not just Bitcoin you guys don't understand. It's gold, silver and the theory of sound money that you don't understand. Either that, or else you're a bunch of pussies."
I sure am glad you were here to tell me how stupid I am. Meow!
Now let me invest in some of those digital "0s" and "1s" again. I feel so much more secure now...
If Bitcoin only becomes a currency for the technically sophisticated minority I am perfectly fine with that.
by definition a currency must be for everyone, not just for a minority.
you don't even know what intrinsic value is - you're unqualified to critique others.
He has virtual balls.
That idiot stamped "Dollar" on his coins. If he has stamped them 1oz .999 Silver he would have been okay.
I definitely think he screwed himself by doing that Papasmurf...no argument here!
Last time I checked the Fed has no copyright on the word "dollar".
(Pussies)
You have so much to learn!
And have the "stackers" got together with their local chamber of commerce? Business leaders? Hosted seminars about accepting their silver rounds? Nope, nope, nope. Have they done anything at all besides occasionally bitch online? Nope.
Several states and even local governments are moving in that direction:
Gold & Silver Legal Tender Legislation Status by StateRun this experiment:
Scan or download an image of the US dollar. Open it in Photoshop (if you dont' have it, download a trial version off Adobe). Hit "Print". You'll be surprised what you find out.
Most printers block you from being able to print dollars.
See if you can even get as far as the printer.
that depends.
By law, coinage act & constitution, no.
By act of guns, SWAT teams & arrests - they absolutely have that power.
he didn't call them silver coins, he called them DOLLARS.
Despite the coinage act in the USA actually supporting his actions as lawful, the terrorist USA government insisted on shutting it down because what he was doing was real counter-terrorism and what they are doing is real terrorism.
@ fonestar
I have not read what you wrote. I do not have time now, sorry. But just in case, I put you minuses everywhere.
Please do not be offended, it is only as usual, out of habit and mechanical.
"why not circulate a silver coin not issued by government, free from any government markings, made of silver and call it "silver coin"?"
Actually that's what the founders intended, any gold/silver coin people would accept in trade was legal money in America, regardless of who minted it.
No, it wasn't limited to gold/silver coins minted by the US govt.
SBSS is already doing that. It's hard for everyone to do their own because dies & presses are expensive no matter your measure of energy or trade-units.
you can order them on silvergoldbull.com
Yes, it spiked right after the usual 8:00am EST monkey hammer. TPTB must be running out of ammo as their efforts haven't kept PM's down since the first of the year.
ummm yup. Sure thing.
Anybody say Gold Bitchez yet?
$1250 - dont matter...
$20 and change - dont matter....
as long as theyre at these phony paper price valuations they R CHEAP!!!!!
until Silver is triple digits priced in debt coupon dollars STACK........
BYE BYE....
under the radar....The game is about over......
Jan 10 (Reuters) - The Shanghai Gold Exchange plans to launch an international board in the city's pilot free trade zone in the first half of this year to attract overseas capital to invest in China's gold market, local media reported on Friday."We are pushing for the international board to be launched during the first half," Song Yuqin, deputy general manager of the Shanghai bourse, was quoted as saying in the Shanghai Daily.
"It will definitely be launched within the year," Song said, adding that the contracts on the international board will be priced in yuan instead of foreign currencies. The bourse is now looking for a site for a bonded warehouse in the zone, he said. The Shanghai free trade zone, launched in September, is intended to test profound reforms to the country's economic and financial system, including liberalisation of China's currency regime and interest rates.
The Shanghai Gold Exchange is the world's biggest physical gold exchange. All buying and selling of spot bullion in China has to happen through the exchange.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/10/china-gold-exchange-idUSL3N0KK...
FUCK OFF BERNANKE AND O'LE YELLEN.......
and "goodbye COMEX!"
test of 1260/20.60 coming soon...
http://zysites.com/silververitas/
<-- GOLD to reach 1500 by the end of the year
<-- GOLD to reach 900 by the end of the year
gold to 2500 by end of 2014.
Put away the champagne and the stogies. It's only temporary.
I don't think it is a religious experience. LOL.
If anything it is a manipulated scheme run by the bankers and the governments throughout the world. Their power is being threatened when people start waking up and buying gold.
I can't understand that it has been going on for so long, but I know, sooner or later, it will fail. What are a cuple of talking heads with their paper junk as opposed to 6000 years of history?
Wake me when the real spike happens.
Wake up, it has begun!
Gold and silver are not spiking. You either accept this is a fake market or you don't.
I down-arrowed you, not for your comment, but because you don't have a clue to be making such a comment with any veracity. You still think bitcoin is money when it's only a currency.
Oh, I am verifiably making this comment with much veracity. The chart posted above is not a chart of gold and silver. In fact it has nothing to do with gold and silver (which are elements found in the Earth).
you still think bitcoin is currency when it's not currency or money - it's a bit-ponzi finding bag-holders so as to produce excess transfer of dollars, not for purchasing, but for pure speculation and lots of theft in the middle with exchange-accounts being closed without explanation, transactions also being irreversible so nothing of value ever, EVER, needs to be delivered to get bitcoins.
Dont upset the "stackers" the Bankers have thrown them a bone this morning only to rob them again later in the week , but they dont get it Goldcoin and silvercoin stackers , a new logic.
Most of the "stackers" on this site are simpletons and blockheads.
Sounds like "fonestar's" battery is about to go flat...
The volatility of your currency of choice is a direct reflection of yourself. You provide nothing to anyone with such a demeanor. Again, if B-Coin holders and the network share your views, that alone reinforces my position to resist it. I am not opposed to B-Coin, I am opposed to you and your type. You offer no value of true substance and no understanding to anyone to become a leader in any regard. You will implode and can only blame yourself. After you do, humble yourself and assist when the opportunity arrives.
A wise man once said, "Fanatics obtain information and knowledge that educate them straight into stupidity."
simpletons and blockheads.
with a stack ...
Come on now...When they drop it's manipulation, when they rise it's heavy demand?
When it rises, it may be short covering.
nah, all that matters is breaking the 50 mda to the upside and than we can go to 23.5$ and than there's money to be made in options to finance the real stacking!
Dear Magnetic Troll,
You'd find yourself much more credible if you stopped putting words into others' mouths.
kthxbye
>> When they drop
One needs to have the intelligence to grasp price/volume/time action in order to see what they are speaking of. You are out of your element and making yourself look foolish. Your mother wouldn't be proud.
When it's rising, the manipulation is not sufficient.
TM, you fart sniffin dimwit, is the stock market as pure as the driven snow in your world too?? GEEZ, what else is wrong with you??
whoah betide us, iz the maniperlation!
A bottom seems to have been found.
Back up the truck.
2 hours ago, I placed an APMEX order for 2oz of gold and 125oz of silver. I feel like there's too much anticipation for the "big seller" to come back, and at some point people will lose their patience and start buying.
My truck is an eighteen wheeler , not a Dinky toy.
Sold my RE, and everything else in the last six months just for this moment.
Just want to see tonights overnight action, before fat fingering an order.
Yup! I bought about 4 days ago... As long as I can get gold and silver for paper, I'm a happy camper.
I need a brief spike to $2K AU and $40 AU as I'm buying more property. I don't need it for long, I promise.
Hey Greatbeard, are there any good hobby farms still available in North Florida? Im in the South.
Yes. If you really want to talk N Florida hobby farms you can email me at jbtrailerman@gmail.com and I'll eventually get it. They are not giving them away like they were two years ago but deals are still there. I'm looking to relocate back down into SW Florida and I'm not liking what I'm finding. After four years up here I think this is the nicest place in the country to live, all things said. I'm not happy that personal issues have made me decide to move south. You need to pick your property carefully because there's plenty of sandy scrub. Anyway, if you are serious, drop me a line.
Goldman's advice to short volatility in gold miners must be going fantastically.... I just look forward to when their gold call is wrong.
.6% is a spike?...more like a 6 penny
No wonder I'm poor. I keep missing all those .6% moves.
The Emperor Yellentine will crush the rebel alliance of conspiracy truth seekers and gold buggers.
Quick sell all gold and buy bitcoin.
Back up the virtual wallet distributed software system database!
Dogecoin to the moon!
Bitcoin is for transactions. Gold is for saving. Currency is completely different than money.
I up-arrowed you for remarking on the difference.
Why would I do such a stupid thing?
Because people are idiots and as a result they seem to think you can only own one or the other.
Gold and silver used to be the only non-dilutable currencies out there. Bitcoin is another one. It is wise to be diversified and to take risk into account in your diversification. Bitcoin has great promis, but remains much higher risk than gold or even silver, which have long track records and require PHYSICAL effort to steal, where bitcoin requires MENTAL/COMPUTATIONAL effort to steal. This is why even a speculator like me doesn't own more than 10% BTC in his non-dilutable currency portfolio. Non-speculators would do well to have 1-2%, or just a few bucks worth to get to know the system and how it works so they can use it to move money offshore safely and cheaply if they need to flee.
So this means someone is going long. Will they stand for delivery?
Now that's funny!
Standing for delivery on the COMEX means being paper settled and told to be quiet. If you have a large enough position they might even give you a post at the CFTC with those fiat $.
Wow, what I am going to do with all my new found wealth! Time to finally trade those shiny things for property.....that's the spike I was waiting for!
The Gartman Indicator.
This is depressing. Renewed faith in ETF PM paper.
When gold jumps $100 or more then you'll have my attention.
Exactly. Right now it is all just noise as we form a base.
I always like green rather than red.....green is good....all the way to $5000
@youngman
Carefull what you wish for.............straight to $5000 would mean a whole lot of hurt for peeps (unless a reset by GOV).
Nothing in history has ever gone staright up
It will zig zag (green to red, red to green) to $5000 and more over time.
Best of luck to all!
Not too much longer before anyone with free cash that did not buy gold under $1300 and silver under $22 will wish that they did...
Everyone thought I was insane when I made a big purchase of both Silver @ $17.50 and Gold @ $750. I cleaned out a 401-K account to do it. 401-K account manager: Are you really sure you want to do this? This is not a wise thing to do. Bank Manager: Are you really sure you want to transfer this money to a Precious Metals dealer? This is insanity! Wife: You did WHAT?! USPS Lady: Can you help me with these boxes? They weigh a lot for their size for some odd reason.
6 years later: They call me a genius.
GREEN GOLD BITCHEZ! Bring it on.
and 1 month gofo is in negative era from 18.12.13
GET READY TO BE RICH!!! YOUR SHIP IS COMING IN, WILL YOU BE WILLING TO SELL AT $40K AN OUNCE???
@Kragsquest
I will sell you mine now for $39K
Are you an editor for KWN?
Quick, adjust the CNBC stock ticker! Scroll those positive gold quotes once every 15 minutes.
I guess "smackdowns" and "spikes" are relevant if you are a minute-trader. But a daily range of $15 - that's usual. What's the big deal?
Hey ZH. Don't start looking like Kitco and beat to death every 1% move in the price of gold. Wait for it to form its base in 2014, breakout, and then run a respectable story.
I'm not too concerned about short-term price variation, still cautiously in for the long haul.
Remember that Zero Hedge posted a while back about SGE's delivery numbers: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-11/paper-vs-physical-gold-picturin...
Keep in mind that the rest of the world trades gold too! There are expanding exchanges overseas...
New Russian Exchange: http://www.bullionstreet.com/news/russias-moscow-exchange-to-launch-phys...
Dubai expanding exchange: http://www.moneyshow.com/investing/article/1/TheNational-33067/Boom-Year...
Singapore: http://www.smx.com.sg/
The Crimex is enjoying it's limelight, once physical deliveries are stunted I think the price will be dictated by people who want physical in high demand markets... until then I'll wait for the dips and keep stacking!
And for those who blindly place faith in Bitcoin, I'll take silver instead thanks!
Wouldn't a reasonable explanation here be that other large speculators have learned that with these regular clockwork smackdowns, you can make money by buying into the market, somewhat heavily, a few minutes after the smackdown. Like clockwork.
Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: If the Currency Collapses & You Try to Flee Into Gold, There Won't Be Any
Dr Paul Craigs Roberts talks about all markets being manipulated and presents the big picture of the Gold market and ongoing QE by the FED. Gold price action became the threat to the FED's policies and Gold was smashed down to preserve the status quo and save US Dollar. Markets can not be manipulated forever and now we have the situation when bullion goes to the East and to China particularly with the very dear geopolitical consequences. There is no recovery in U.S. economy and there is no Jobs creation - we would like to mention that this interview was recorded before yesterday disaster with Jobs numbers of only 74k being created and collapse in labour participation numbers.http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/dr-paul-craig-roberts-if-currency.ht...
When does the rioting start?
Silly.
August is always when it starts.
rioting is so passe.
Roll the muthafuckin' guillotines
Game is over, manipulation is a laughable joke now, people will buy all day long after a smack down now. Suck it banker scum bags, suck it.
indeed. The only end-game where the bankers keep the stackers out is to jump gold to 10k/oz and keep it there and do it in a month.
I have no axe to grind against BTC being interesting as an alternative currency.
However, nations have been known to simply throw the kill switch on the internet. You know, the switch our Messiah wants so badly. That is what the iKidz Just. Don't. Get.
Burma threw the switch in the mid-aughts ... I was there in 2005 and you could get nothing but a couple pro-tatmadaw tourism sites.
BTC is totally vulnerable and dependent upon who controls the waves.
Precious metals alone are real.
I know. It happens all around these iKidz all the while they say it-can't-ever-happen-you're-delusional.
how exciting
Last week I noted that the usual slap down of gold had failed and suggested it may have been a turning point...today's repeat performance is a compelling argument that this hypothesis is indeed correct. I don't rule out swings up and down but it sure looks as though we are looking at the start of a new bull market in gold and gold shares. Today's take-over bid for Osisko may be the start of a whole series of such bids....I would expect Kinross to be on the chopping block if the big investors can get the cash together.............
a market is longer than months, it's years to decades.
The gold bull market never stopped but it did have a consolidation.
Most certainly we'll see 2500/oz before 2014 is over. 3500 by 2016.
Ring, ring, ring... ring, ring, ring...
FEDERAL RESEVRE:
> "Hello."
BUNDESBANK:
> "Hello, dis is da Bundesbank calling, we reciveed only 37.5 tons of our Gold in 2013, we were expecting deliver of another 50 tons of our Gold... where is it?"
FEDERAL RESEVRE:
> Click.
BUNDESBANK:
> "Hello, dis is da Bundesbank!, is anybody there, hello?, hello?, hello?... is anybody there?"
FEDERAL RESEVRE:
> Blank dial-tone sound.
Gold shorts haven’t panicked yet, because they’re so accustomed to winning.... Stock Bulls have the same smell. Maybe the Boyz will be right again? Maybe the Vix will go to Zero. Maybe socks are still cheap.
Hello Janet? This is Ben. ...oh...yeah, I keep the monkee hammer in the bottom left drawer......you're welcome, bye.
One way to see what's going on is a currency war with the US having sold most of it's gold (and everyone else's--sorry Germany) in the effort to suppress the gold price price in USD. It really an effort to make the fiat appear more robust than it is. With China's shift to aggressive accumulation currency war is on. Now, as we run out of physical gold to "lease" out for delivery, we see our client states, Japan first and yesterday the Philipines, provoking China over disbuted islands. You can't win the suppression game vs a sovereign with vastly more than enough USD to buy all the gold. So the saber rattling starts and gets louder. It all fits.
tis sad what passes for a 'spike' these days....
oh and we are discussing 'gold' and not gold right?
gold= an elemental metal
'gold' = a variety of promises to deliver gold....someday....maybe....or maybe just to extend the promise of metal delivery...oh who are we kidding, there will never be metal delivery (in size) until the real price is finally admitted.
Garcon....bring me my Au plez
but iz soaring thousands of pennies!!
Meaningless --- in a totally manipulated market --- if the Fed doesn't like what it sees at some point they crash it.
You cannot trade gold based on any fundamentals.
And in any event is anyone actually trading? Does anyone really give a fuck what the price is?
Do you really want it to go higher?
I don't - because I am NOT trading. I am holding - and buying more when the fuckfaces crash it - please - please crash it to 800!!!!
Because I am holding gold for ONE PURPOSE ONLY. I - like China - hold it knowing that at some point --- fiat currency, stocks, and bonds are going to collapse into a heaping pile of dung. They will be WORTHLESS.
And the gold I am holding will as always - retain it's value - and ensure that I am not eating dog food like the stupid fucks who insist on chasing illusory gains from a stock market that without QE would blow into a million pieces.
HE WHO LAUGHS LAST - LAUGHS BEST.
I'm doing both.
AGQ options for the giant rise before 2016 starts & bullion to stack since the prices are nice & low compared to what came before. Gold's still "expensive" vs my wage but it will be much more and not long from now.