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Worried that Starbucks is running out of real estate? Concerned that McDonalds will be unable to fill its quota of minimum-wage employees as urban sprawl caps out? Have no fear for as the following map shows, there is plenty of room left in the world for the chains to expand... and of course, where there is a Starbucks there is mass affluence, right? Of course, extremes of heat and cold will require a little adaptation but that's what free easy money is for...



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Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4327136 hedgeless_horseman
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Our mother has a terrible rash.

...extremes of heat and cold will require a little adaptation...

This Chinese couple seems to have adapted.

More interesting photos from this series.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:49 | 4327181 Sudden Debt
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At least he's got satelite to watch the Simpsons... ALL BASICS IN LIFE!!!

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:03 | 4327212 Headbanger
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Gee, no obesity in the above photos!?  Wonder why!

And interesting to see Germany is more densly populated than France and especuially Spain.



Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:52 | 4327437 Ying-Yang
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There's a lot of white space on the map.

So the guy that wrote the article earlier about overpopulation should stare at this map for a few years.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:37 | 4328012 akak
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Don't be silly --- overpopulation (which is very real) is not about space, it is about insufficient (and declining amounts and quality of) topsoil, croplands and resources.

Welcome to the human petri dish, where all the fun happens in the last minute of exponential expansion. 

You'd think that being a supposedly intelligent species, we could consciously pick a better model for our existence than a vatful of yeast, which invariably grows and expands until poisoned and killed by its own wastes.  But no.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:12 | 4328153 ronaldawg
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You first.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:23 | 4328188 akak
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"First" at doing what?

There is no logical antecedent to your invitation.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:23 | 4328770 Miffed Microbio...
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And this is some surprise? Epsilon is a bit slow. GC tends to migrate but I have never seen it in a brain.


Tue, 01/14/2014 - 06:44 | 4330099 ronaldawg
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Obvious mispost - problems with site.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:37 | 4327372 Agent P
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One of those dogs should be awfully nervous.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:24 | 4328195 tankster
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Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:44 | 4327648 Aaaarghh
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nature will take care of this one way or the other.

will probably be human nature that sorts it out the fastest.

WAR..dum dum, what is it good for...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:41 | 4327148 GaryBusey_thesi...
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Alaska looks pretty appealing...


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:49 | 4327185 PacOps
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Great place to live and Hawaii is only 4 hours due south for a mid winter break and 12 hour/day sunshine fix. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:00 | 4327683 PacOps
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One of my clients has their main office in a house in Anchorage. When the first snow hits the streets all but one person packs-up and flys to Honolulu, unlock another house they own there that serves as their southern office/work space, turns everything on and calls the person left in Anchorage who switches everything over, locks the door and joins them for the winter. In the spring they reverse it. Still doing it after 15 or so years. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:03 | 4327703 Seize Mars
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Cool, that sounds like a dream to me. If you don't mind sharing, what's the industry?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:11 | 4328152 PacOps
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Architects - and they are not alone.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:55 | 4328507 Ratscam
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i would hate the radiation from Fukkuppy though

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:54 | 4327193 BLOTTO
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Only a satanist would say that the world can not handle anymore people. In Canada alone, every resident could have a kilometre*km piece of land if you divided it up...


You can comfortably fit everyone on 1 or 2 continents = there's plenty of room.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:06 | 4327235 Headbanger
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There's plenty of room on Mars too!  You should go there!

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:16 | 4327277 BLOTTO
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+1 head

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:07 | 4327715 Seize Mars
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Seize Mars!
It's true there is plenty if space on earth. What's needed is for prices to truly reflect scarcity. Humans have always regulated their own reproduction. No mass murder necessary if resources are apportioned according to actual supply and demand forces.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:25 | 4327781 Flakmeister
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So Easter Island was similar to "natural market forces"....

Are you really as thick as you portray yourself to be?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:44 | 4327842 TBT or not TBT
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Humans are naturally occurring and subject to physics like everything else. Not sure what "markets" might have meant back then on Easter island.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:26 | 4328784 Seize Mars
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First of all, thick like my cock?

Secondly, what the fuck are we on Easter Island for now?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:17 | 4327280 Milestones
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Yup, plenty of room to stand around--course now having nuff food, water and sustainable energy sourse is a litttle item you fail to address. Ya know it's the little things that count.                  Milestones

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:01 | 4327474 mayhem_korner
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I know a place that's 12,000 furlongs square which will provide everything you or anyone else needs.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:23 | 4327311 sleigher
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not comfortably but you can fit everyone in connecticut.  

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:30 | 4327326 Ghordius
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remember that people that are used to low density environments have some psychological issues with high density environments. In Finland there is a lot of research about it, and culturally Finns are very attuned to this issue. they have also this funny tale of the guy that wanted to be as alone as possible and at the end walks for three days in order to kill an "intruder" who setted his camp "near him"

the real question is consumption, particularly of oil. haven't looked at the stats since long, but the older statistics did run along the lines that the average American consumes double the average European, which consumes double the average of the world, which is double that of China, which is double that of India, etc.

and in this, urbanization has a very funny effect: it lowers the need for resources per capita. the city-dweller is... ecologically sounder. which is one explanation why we have now more city-dwellers than rural population in practically every country and the world at large (btw, the US is now more urbanized than Europe)

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:34 | 4327355 Uncle Remus
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Freedom is not free on so many levels.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:26 | 4327782 Freddie
Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:51 | 4327863 ronaldawg
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and in this,  PRISON has a very funny effect: it lowers the need for resources per capita. the prison-dweller is... ecologically sounder.

Fixed it for ya.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:41 | 4327396 J Pancreas
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Only a dolt who has not seen complete squalor first hand would make such a statement. I'm not a Satanist but the burden that billions of humans place on nature is why so many species go extinct. This attitude that silver-spoon trolls like Botto have that this planet is ours to exploit is naive. Were just guests passing through - but act like entitled locusts who ignore the consequences of unchecked, exponential population growth.

Overlay population from Christs time to the discovery of oil and you will quickly see the hockey stick.


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:56 | 4327457 kridkrid
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That's the rub: "discovery of oil". It's not so much that the world is over-inhabited (though I generally hate people, so any number is a few too many), it's a more an issue of population growth being driven by formerly abundant and formerly cheap energy. It's our just in time global supply chain that can't be sustained much longer, I believe.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:04 | 4327467 BLOTTO
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No one is born to hate.


Every life is precious.


*IF* we were told the truth from the beginning, we wouldn't be behaving like 'locusts' you dick...We are 'locusts' as a result of their conditioning, poisoning and perverting the human body, mind and spirit...

Maybe you're a locust...or a dying fuckin ape...

...not me.



Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:09 | 4327721 Seize Mars
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Right on, man

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:01 | 4327475 aerojet
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There's no way to perform that overlay since Christ is a made up figure who never existed.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:04 | 4327496 mayhem_korner
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Evidence?  And why do you capitalize the name of a such a mythological figure?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:47 | 4327653 Nestor Makhno
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Err, you just asked him to prove christ did'nt exist surely if you diisagree with his statement you should evidebce to back up your assertion that he did exist, apart from pilates cheif torturer talking about a man named jesu there is no recorded evidence for a christ character from that period, be nice if there was..............obviously loadsa people claimed to know him after the council codified christian teachings in the first bible.



Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:24 | 4327779 mayhem_korner
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I didn't make an assertion, he did.  Not up to me to prove anything.  Just asked a question.

You claim to know a lot about things you haven't read or times during which you were not around.  Curious. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:38 | 4328215 GeorgeHayduke
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You are using the same logic as people talking about unicorns, Bigfoot, ghosts, honest politicians or bankers, etc... Are we to assume they all exist and it's up to the naysayers to prove they don't, or does the burden of proof lie with those making the claim they exist? In a rational culture, the burden of proof lies with those making claims of the extraordinary.

To the best knowledge I have seen thus far, we have absolutely zero evidence from ANY contemporary source that a person named jesus christ existed, and that he did miraculous things. It sure seems someone from that time would have recorded these things. Physical evidence? None. If you have any relevant, realistic evidence to the contrary I would be quite happy to see it as I am always open to changing my mind based on evidence.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:01 | 4328328 mayhem_korner
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It sure seems someone from that time would have recorded these things.


If you are inclined to write that, then I am persuaded that evidence and logic are things you process so selectively that it would not be fruitful to point out evidence to you.

What actually fits your description of zero evidence from any contemporary source is the theory of evolution.  And I'm happy to prove that one for you if that would help you to open your mind a little to the possibility that your apparent predisposition about Christ just might be off base as well.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:24 | 4328418 GeorgeHayduke
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What have you got? The Josephus line about jesus has been debated over and over again and knowing christians I would not put it past them to falsify that work. Just like they destroyed all information they could find that didn't conform to their way of thinking.

You write like a preacher. Always offering the greatest gift in the world without ever actually providing anything with meat on it. Whip it on me. I can handle it.  You act as though I've never looked at or considered any of these things before. Maybe your mind is the one caught in the trap that needs a little opening.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:31 | 4328438 mayhem_korner
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As I said, you are so selective in what you are willing to consider that there is no point to the discussion.  Your comments, btw, are pretty good evidence of what my understanding is.  But you are unable to see that because the possibility that Christ is real is a threat to your view of yourself.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:58 | 4328700 GeorgeHayduke
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This constant droning without saying anything is the main reason christianity is losing ground in the reality-based world. You guys talk in circles that make infinte sense to yourselves and nobody else. You christ is not a threat to me, but you need to see it that way to make sense of it yourself.

As I said before, promises, promises with nothing to deliver. That's all you've got.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:02 | 4328710 mayhem_korner
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Christianity is growing in popularity every day.  Not losing ground as you say. 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 00:37 | 4329755 akak
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Yes, like in Europe and North America ....

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:17 | 4327751 Colonel Klink
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It's ok, we capitalize Gumby too.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:32 | 4327803 Hayabusa
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Please dont begin a debate on the existance of mythological charcters such as christ, thor, bilbo baggins and harry potter.  NONE OF THEM were or are real and anyone who insists they were/are does not belong in a thinking mans' forum such as this.  Telling me christ is real only results in my opinion of you going from might be smart to is a fucking idiot who is obviously delusional.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:13 | 4328160 ForTheWorld
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Were Muhammed or Bhudda real? Just wondering why people rarely mention these two.

ZeroHedge is not a thinking mans forum. If it were, emotive comments like yours wouldn't pop up with such regularity.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:37 | 4328242 GeorgeHayduke
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Do followers of Muhammad or Buddha claim their leaders were sons of god and endowed with supernatural powers and the ability to perform miracles? I haven't heard any Buddhist ever make such a claim. I'm not sure about Islamic followers. Comparing them to jesus is comparing apples to oranges.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:06 | 4328352 mayhem_korner
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Comparisons with Jesus are central to Islam.  But you don't understand those things because you haven't actually studied them.  I doubt that you can describe what the role of Jesus is in the Christian faith (irrespective of whether or not you believe He exists).  Yet you wax on about how He does not exists because that is the way you hope it is. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:25 | 4328404 GeorgeHayduke
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The way I hope? Faith = belief = i wish this to be true = hope. Who's hoping here? I live a cleaner and more moral life than most christian hypocrites, so I have no fear of this imaginary jesus of yours. I just don't feel the need to cower before the petulant, horrific mythic beast you guys call god.

From my own christian upbringing and from what christians tell me jesus is their savior. Now, you can lay YOUR interpretation of jesus on my because you seem to be the absolute authority on the guy. Sounds like you met him in person yourself the way you try throw around your authoritative manner (which by the way is part and parcel of the whole christian thing).

Save the hellfire condemnation and righteousness for weaker minds who cower to that shit. Either show us the evidence or shut up. It's really that simple.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:40 | 4328461 mayhem_korner
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I live a cleaner and more moral life than most christian hypocrites,


Christians do not claim to lead a clean and moral life.  Anyone who claims to be righteous by his own merit is not a Christian.  A lot of people masquerade as Christians claiming the self-righteous high-ground.  They are deceived and fuel false beliefs.

You are right that Jesus's role in the Christian faith is to save.  But from what?  That is the core issue.  I don't condemn anyone and I certainly would never claim to be more righteous than anyone, you included. 

You strike me as someone seeking more plausible answers than what you've been fed in the past. 


Edit:  You don't need me to see the evidence, you just have to look a little harder.  It's right in front of you and entirely consistent with what's been recorded since long before either of us were around.  Took me 27 years to see it.  And back off the "us" stuff.  It's just you that you should be concerned with.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:04 | 4328719 GeorgeHayduke
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I am always seeking truths no matter how unpleasant. Believe me, I have hear all the bullshit from a pile of christian apologists over the years and they've got nothing of value to offer. I'm glad you find something there. I find nothing there. You can blame my heart or my unwillingness, or whatever you need to blame for my failure to see it your way, but it really just boils down to there's nothing there unless I give up thinking.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:06 | 4327714 alangreedspank
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Evolution dictates why species go instinct. And that evolution is not always human driven. You may want to think that "checking" population growth projects an image of a concerned ecologist, but that's not what I see.

When there will be "too many humans", they will grow smaller and start to die off, which will give other species a break. That is all.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:37 | 4328464 mayhem_korner
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There is no evidence ever in the history of the world supporting the theory of evolution.  So come up with another argument for population control.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 17:55 | 4328484 akak
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Mayhem, I am sorry to tell you that that is one of the most profoundly ignorant statements that I have ever read in this forum.

You obviously have NEVER studied biology, population genetics, or paleontology.  Unlike (most) scientists, you so-called 'creationists" torture, distort and selectively ignore the facts to fit your pre-existing beliefs, instead of basing your beliefs on the facts and evidence at hand.  Your kind of willful ignorance, which is sadly all too common (among all the fiat-lovers as well), makes me despair for humanity's future.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:10 | 4328542 mayhem_korner
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Sorry to disappoint, but I have studied evolution intensively.  There is no evidence in the fossil record of failed "mutations"; there are zero species that can be proven to have evolved from a series of random mutations of other species (strains of the same bacteria are not new species); there has been no rebuttal to the theory of irreducible complexity and its requirement for previously-believed mutations of singular functions; there is no empirical basis for the "evolution" of the eye.

Shall I go on, or should you perhaps refute these point by point arguments and check your own logic, sir?

(I'll wait you out, because you can research all you want and you will find NOTHING). 

Edit: Assuming what you have been told to be true is true is a slippery slope.  The theory of evolution has nothing to do with science, and it never has.  It is a religious artifact.  But you don't see that because you choose to be selective in what you accept and what you challenge.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:14 | 4328567 akak
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Sorry, Mayhem, but I do not for an instant truly believe that you "have studied evolution extensively", at least from an honest academic perspective, or you would realize that the vast majority of mutations would NOT be expected to show up in the gross anatomical features displayed in the fossil record, whereas failed mutations would, by definition, not propagate themselves and so would be vanishingly rare in the fossil record EVEN IF they did in fact present visible differences in their gross anatomical features.

Your 'logic' here is as specious as your overall argument.  I feel sorry for you.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:18 | 4328576 mayhem_korner
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You are scrambling, akak.  You are wed to your beliefs and therefore unable to see reality.  There is no credible scientific support for the theory of evolution. 

If the fossil record cannot be looked to as a source of evidence to debunk evolution, why do dyed-in-the-wool evolutionists pull out fossils as supposed "proof" of evolution, even though no fossil evidence proves it?

Do not feel bad for me.  I used to believe what you believe.  Then I took time to study it.  Try it, you might find it useful.

So you are 0 for 1.  How about the other arguments?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:22 | 4328585 akak
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Your 'creationary' God must really hate almost everything he has ever created, to judge by the 99+% of all species which have ever lived (as evidenced by the fossil record) now being extinct.

Or did Satan just create all those fossils to "test our faith", as I have actually seen some creationists argue?

Trying to rationally argue with creationists is liking trying to argue with Keynesian true believers, or even worse.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:22 | 4328595 mayhem_korner
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Nice try on redirect.  But I did not claim anywhere in this thread to be a creationist. 

You did what all people do when they are confronted with the potential that their belief system is shaky - attack the alternative which hasn't been introduced.  Predictable.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:27 | 4328606 akak
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Well, if you refuse to accept the fact of evolution, yet deny that you are a creationist, just what ARE your (clearly conflicted) beliefs?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:29 | 4328611 mayhem_korner
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Evolution is not a fact.  That is the point.  And, ergo, your question is better posed to people who believe evolution than those who understand that it is an unproven theory.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:07 | 4329095 BLOTTO
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Good discussion.


I believe in parts of evolution on basic levels - plants, germs and such...but for an ape to evolve to the level of intellect and sophistication of our brain and thoughts and creativity and philosophy, etc...would take longer then the earth is old = no chance.


Evolution (ape to man topic) to me is Darwin dogma...if you research Darwin, you can see he is connected to the elite.

The elite are trying to tell us to behave like animals, because we are just animals and that its ok to do so...


Our life and existence is more important and deeper then that...


God Bless.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:05 | 4329117 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Mayhem, I couldn't care less if you believed that the universe was farted into existence by a giant interstellar unicorn.  Unfortunately, people like you want force your delusions upon others (particularly schoolchildren) and that is not acceptable.  Back your arguments with real evidence, not something you heard in bible study.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:14 | 4329142 mayhem_korner
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Unfortunately, people like you want force your delusions upon others (particularly schoolchildren) and that is not acceptable.


Let's analyze your statement for a moment, shall we?  Evolution - a theory for which the supposed credible evidence has been thoroughly debunked for some time - is what is taught to school children.  Forcibly.  So it would seem you are looking through the lense the wrong way.

What is it you fear about the potential that an alternative to evolution is true?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:21 | 4331149 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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I don't "fear" alternatives and would be willing to consider the possiblity if ACTUAL EVIDENCE was offered for any of them, but none have emerged so far that meet that standard.  And BTW, I was raised in an evangelical Xtian background and have heard all of the arguments and find none of them the least bit convincing.  You are so convinced that the you have are in possession of the TRUTH(tm) but fail to see that not everyone who does not agree with you just has not been exposed to it.  Sorry.  Been there, heard that, still not buying it.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 22:56 | 4329428 Miffed Microbio...
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And you want to force your theories as fact on school children who aren't old enough or educated enough to debate them.? Sounds like indoctrination to me sanctified by the state. Now creationists wish to enter the debate and you get testy you no longer have 100% rights to mold the minds of youth. I am not a creationist in the strict definition but I bristle when ANYONE claims they have the one truth which always smacks of religion to me. I personally would like both creationism and evolution taken out of elementary school and put it in college where there would be a better debate on the issue.


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:21 | 4328588 mayhem_korner
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So what is your response to Michael Behe, who has confounded "top evolutionary scientists" for decades?  Oh, that's're still getting back to him on that one.  But don't worry, we'll prove it!!!

Evolutionists creed: it is true or we must do more research.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:38 | 4328836 Miffed Microbio...
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Agreed mayhem, though I admit I haven't studied evolution extensively I was very unimpressed by the fossil record. Sorry Akak. Me thinks you are praying for a Hopeful Monster. Or are you a punctuated equilibrium man?


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:53 | 4328893 akak
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Miffed, in exactly what ways were you "unimpressed" by the fossil record?

The thing that most impresses me about it is the fact that over 99% of all the species that have apparently ever lived are now extinct.  If they were all supposedly present at some putative and supernatural moment of creation, then damn, it was one Hell of a CROWDED place!

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 20:10 | 4328962 Miffed Microbio...
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My main issues are:

1. The first is that the fossil record shows species originating abruptly. This contradicts the predictions of Darwin's hypothesis. His hypothesis calls for very many intermediate forms gradually grading from one species to another. But instead the record shows the opposite - species arise abruptly.

2. Secondly, the geologic record shows that species do not change significantly through time. For millions of years they remain constant - with only minor and random change. This also contradicts the predictions of the hypothesis of Darwin.

3. The "Cambrian explosion" represents a period in which most of the current phyla all appeared in a very short geological span of time. This also seriously contradicts the hypothesis of Darwin.

I know these are generalities. If you want to duel on specifics I'm going to have to dig into some deep recesses in my brain to recall my debating points when I had a very frothy associate whom I went head to head with on this issue for many years. I look forward to the exchange ;-)

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 06:47 | 4330102 ronaldawg
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I would consider Miffed an expert in fossils since he/she/it IS ONE.... heh

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 09:36 | 4330285 Miffed Microbio...
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Oh my god! Stupid wit from the Epsilon! How cute to see it make an attempt to fire a synapse. You certainly do make a case for evolution but, unfortunately for you, it seems to be in the reverse.


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:23 | 4329168 mayhem_korner
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is the fact that over 99% of all the species that have apparently ever lived are now extinct.


How sure are you of this "fact" when you say that these species only "apparently" ever lived?  Where's the rigor, akak?

We ZHers crack jokes about how the MSM spout the "talking points" as gospel, yet here you are repeating the mainstream, statist mantra about evolution and the extinction of species without really checking.

Can you separate what you believe from what you know and can verify?  That's what science is all about, isn't it Charlie Brown?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:10 | 4328555 alangreedspank
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I think you are too clueless to realize I was making an argument AGAINST population control. The fact that you deny evolution is pretty telling.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:18 | 4328579 mayhem_korner
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Check your logic on evolution, because it is misguided.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:24 | 4328600 akak
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As my population genetics professor once told me (paraphrasing here): "I have yet to have ONE student who has studied this subject, and sat through at least one course in it, and then deny the validity of it and of the evolution which it demonstrates, and instead turn to creationism.  Not one!"

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:28 | 4328607 mayhem_korner
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Oh, that's credible.  A professor who claims that his students - whom he grades and presumably took the course voluntarily - agree with him!  Weren't you just claiming a few posts ago that I was a lay person on this subject?

Talk to me about this:

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:39 | 4328637 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Wow you just answered my question.  "Expert" opinion from a con man like Ken Ham.  Yeah that is real convincing.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:05 | 4329119 mayhem_korner
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Just articulate your rebuttal instead of parachuting in and claiming to know something.  We'll wait...

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:23 | 4331150 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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You have spent the entire thread so far claiming to know something yet have presented no actual evidence to back it up.  I would say that is the pot calling the kettle black here...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:44 | 4328864 Miffed Microbio...
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That is because you are presenting it as an either/or argument. Are you serious that not believing in evolution one must then chose creationism as the only default?


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:56 | 4328917 akak
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I don't honestly know of any other school of thought on the matter than those two, aside perhaps from evolutionary agnosticism (if I may coin that term).  But in the face of all the accumulated evidence, the latter would seem to me to blend into the former almost by default.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:00 | 4329104 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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I get that Mayhem Korner is so blinded by his religion that he simply refuses to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution, but I cannot for the life of me see what Miffed's objections are.  I guess it is not easy to come to terms with the fact that you are the end result of a long, impersonal process and not some divine authority's special little snowflake.  I can't imagine how believing that I am part of some supernatural plan is the least bit comforting but unfortunately I seem to be in the minority on that one.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:09 | 4329130 mayhem_korner
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Please enlighten us with the "overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution."  You can start anywhere you'd like.  I would love to hear it, because I've heard all the arguments.  Interesting that it is you - the defenders of evolution - that are bringing in the religious argument.  I have not done so.  Why do you insist on making the discussion about something other than what is being challenged? 

You cannot imagine believing in something else because it is an affront to your identity.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 22:46 | 4329382 Miffed Microbio...
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I am not blinded by religion because I am not religious. You seem to erroneously equate being a scientist as a requirement in the belief of the theory of evolution. Therefore I am cast in the role of apostate and are out of the club. You are the one who is fully indoctrinated and are blindly accepting an unprovable theory as fact. Is not questioning theories not a tenant of science? Evolution is therefore a RELIGION for you because it demands blind faith with no questioning permitted. Until you see this you will never be free. I have elucidated my problems with evolution above. If you care to refute my issues scientifically I will listen. But to call the evidence as overwhelming is frankly not true and your derogatory response speaks volumes on your discomfort.


Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:30 | 4331161 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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You stated that you are not religious but the whole "evolution is a religion" thing is one of the oldest and tiredest creationist canards so I don't know what to think.  I did not say that you were blinded by religion only that Mayhem was.  I accept the reality of evolution as it is the best explanation of how life has developed.  If someone comes up with a better theory (backed with actual evidence, not bible quotes) I would reconsider my position.  And that you think the the discussion is causing me discomfort is amusing.   Or that "I will never be free" whatever that means.  This whole thread has been humorous more than anything.  No discomfort here.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:34 | 4329186 mayhem_korner
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Since you've made it easy for me to dissect your lack of logic, I will throw you a bone on this one - with which you will vehemently disagree until you think about it long and hard.

You are repeating what you have been TOLD.  The PURPOSE of the theory of evolution is to disprove the existence of a creator.  That is why it is defended with such incredible vigor despite the lack of substance.  Evolutionists will always define the theater as a choice between (1) evolution and (2) creation, because their main interest is to deny the existence of God.  As such, evolution is a religion in and of itself.

In this entire thread, I have not argued that creation is the only alternative to Darwin's theory of evolution; I have only argued that Darwin's theory has no scientific support.  You guys are the ones who insist on bringing up creationism.  If (once) one accepts that Darwin's theory is not plausible, then the scientific discovery process should inquire as to other alternatives.

If you are stuck in "but, but, MUST be true" then you are forever boxed in to that paradigm.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:37 | 4328629 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Wow where did you get that info from - Answers in Genesis?  Institute for Creation Research?  Your local megachurch?  You asked another poster to show "evidence" when he said he doubted any historical "Jesus" actually existed but then you post a ridiculous statement arguing there is no evidence for one of the most substantiated scientific theories out there.  I usually take a "live and let live" attitude towards individual beliefs but you have completely crossed the line into absurdity.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 19:36 | 4328825 akak
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He'd have as much luck trying to convince me that the earth is flat, or that magical deflationary unicorns fly from Bernanke's bunghole during Fed meetings.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 20:51 | 4329071 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Agreed.  I am mystified how someone can reject the magical thinking that it behind most current economic "theories" but completely embraces magical thinking in the face of something as with as much overwhelming demonstratable evidence as evolution.  Mind boggling to be sure.


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 21:24 | 4329152 mayhem_korner
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So if you agree with your compadre, that makes it so?  Facts do not behave that way - they are much less maleable.  All the while you dodge the main point, which is that there is no credible evidence supporting the theory of evolution.  Ascribing to me what you presume my beliefs to be has nothing to do with whether Darwin's theory has merit.  So let me know when you want to talk about that again.  Or is it too scary for you to look behind the curtain and find a little bit of reality?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:56 | 4327207 superflex
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Especially with all that Fuku rad drifting by.


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:06 | 4327234 hedgeless_horseman
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Catch-of-the-day?  No, thank you, I must pass.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:26 | 4327580 Parisnights
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....until the radiation gets there. Then it won't just be the aurora that lights everything up at night.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:26 | 4327581 Parisnights
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....until the radiation gets there. Then it won't just be the aurora that lights everything up at night.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:41 | 4327149 fonzannoon
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Look at all that room in middle America for us east and west coasters to spread out to comfortably when tshtf. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4327169 TeamDepends
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Oh yeah, you'll be welcomed with open arms...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:57 | 4327208 Calmyourself
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BS, roadblocks and ideaological tests to pass...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:28 | 4327792 Freddie
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Let's hope.  "You from New Jersey there boy? Then go the hell back home."

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:55 | 4327876 Keyser
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We're digging a moat around Texas. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:21 | 4327301 Acet
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Arms would certainly be involved.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:30 | 4327343 fonzannoon
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speaking of arms, anyone care to take a shot at this question? Anyone on here right now live out in flyover country or somewhere "off the grid" and have any one from the coasts move in recently? If so, what kind of treatment do they get? Do they get a "pass" because they got out there pre collapse? Are they grandfathered in now?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:38 | 4327356 hedgeless_horseman
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...what kind of treatment do they get?

You would be welcome in Texas.  People are very friendly in the smaller towns, and there is plenty of work, beer, and sandwiches.

You could probably get hired over the phone:

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:43 | 4327403 fonzannoon
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Thanks for that reply H.H I was expecting the exact opposite type of answer and was getting ready to go into wiseass mode and then you went ahead and took the high road.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:55 | 4327456 Ying-Yang
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And in Shiner they make a right nice beer...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:47 | 4327851 clawsthatscratch
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True, although I like their competition better in Blanco, TX

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:55 | 4327455 aardvarkk
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Not "off the grid" in the sense I understand the phrase, but newcomers are reasonably welcome in the Dakotas most areas (don't know about the oil patch though...that's a whole different world that I don't know).  Of course, "welcome" is a relative term.  People tend to keep to themselves a lot out here in the best of times.  We're antisocial like that...I've lived in the same house for a year and a half and don't know any neighbors to speak of...but then I don't tend to go out of my way to socialize either.  Some do.  It's kind of the luck of the draw.  But if you don't have a bad attitude and you're the social butterfly type you'll find some takers around.  YMMV.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:34 | 4327812 Freddie
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Okies were not treated well at all when they came to Calif during the Dustbowl.  They were usually beaten up and told to leave.   Don't forget that we are a country of people who commited mass genocide on each other to appease the european bankster families and to make them lots of money.  Over 1 million dead. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:40 | 4327832 Lednbrass
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Depends on where you go, whether Midwest or South. Haven't been to Texas so I can't say, I'm in SC and hostility to northerners is fairly high (this has pretty much always been the case), as the tendency is to move to a new area and then try to turn it into the same scumhole they left.  That sort of thing is handled on an individual basis as far as I can tell, but if you aren't born in an area like that you will always be at least somewhat an outsider when things get rough.

DO NOT under any circumstances go on and on about where you are from and how great it was there- New York, Massholeistan, Ohio, and Illinois types do not seem to comprehend this.  Being from NY or the like doesn't make people think you are cool, it makes them think you are almost certainly an asshole and ask repeatedly why the hell you don't go back.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 15:01 | 4327898 ronaldawg
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Really?  My parents retired to Little River in '95 from northern Ohio.  I've been to SC hundreds of times and never felt out of place.  I guess it is because I'm white.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:52 | 4327864 Calmyourself
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Fonzanoon, that depends on what you plan to advocate for once you get here.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:57 | 4327882 Keyser
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Not off the grid, but in Texas and YES, we are getting lots of damned liberals from California. I always welcome them to the great state of Texas and advise them to leave their liberal agendas where they came from. You should see the looks on their faces. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:54 | 4327866 ronaldawg
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Manifest Destiny.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:41 | 4327151 Flakmeister
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I hear Churchill Falls is considering granting a liscence for a Club Med...

Just trying to stay ahead of the curve.... 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:41 | 4327152 Occams_Chainsaw
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All your vote slaves are belong to us.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:58 | 4327889 Keyser
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If you don't participate in their game, are you still a slave?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:42 | 4327153 yrbmegr
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Moar Starbucks oases in the Sahara.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:42 | 4327157 GumbyMe
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The above image is a great representation of where food is being grown.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4327158 Flakmeister
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Also note where the fresh water sources are...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:54 | 4327160 Sudden Debt
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see me?


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:24 | 4327317 Acet
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Belgium, (the other) land of chocolate, birthplace of JCVD and a place one only really spots when driving through it from France to Holland because the road suddenly gets worse when entering and better when exiting.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:34 | 4327354 Flakmeister
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Yeah, but they have the best beer...

And they did invent french fries...

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:03 | 4327489 aerojet
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Potatoes are peasant food.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:04 | 4327706 Crisismode
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McDonald's feeds a lot of peasants.

OTOH, Morton's Steakhouse has 4 different potato side dishes at about $8. each. Some peasants.


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:56 | 4327877 ronaldawg
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It is not peasant food if you put Mayonnaise on it.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:43 | 4327162 withglee
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Money is "a promise to complete a trade". It is necessarily free and easy as traders should always be free to make trading promises. The key is separating the responsible traders (those who don't default) from the deadbeats (those who default). Defaults must be met with interest collections to assure that inflation is zero all the time everywhere. The key is actuarially assessing the risk of a trader default and collecting interest accordingly.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:45 | 4327164 Smegley Wanxalot
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Glad I live in a colorless zone.  I fucking hate mankind.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:54 | 4327203 prains
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upper left or lower right of that map is a can't miss for the long term, spent all my time in either and the view is just fine

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:53 | 4327442 Agent P
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Maybe you just don't understand mankind...

"Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind."

~ Jack Handey

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:57 | 4327168 Sudden Debt
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As Obama would say....

NUKE D 12!!!


STORMTROOPERS TO A12, B9, C14, D9, E3, F23, G12 , H22, I94, J4, K64, L78, M8, N2, O21, P45, Q12 , R52, S99, T4, U14, V25, W65, X12, Y8, Z21 !!!!


Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:47 | 4327175 Seasmoke
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I see two open areas African Americans can all move to and make a go of it. 

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 14:57 | 4327880 ronaldawg
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Like at the bottom of the ocean?

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:47 | 4327176 superflex
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The Nile Delta looks like a sperm flaggulate and the Indonesians look pretty cozy on their archipelago.

India and China are fucked with no arable land relative to the population.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:54 | 4327186 hedgeless_horseman
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Indonesians look pretty cozy on their archipelago...

Have you read Rawles latest book, Expatriates

When the United States suffers a major socioeconomic collapse, a power vacuum sweeps the globe. A newly radicalized Islamic government rises to power in Indonesia, invades the Philippines, East Timor, Papua New Guinea, and finally northern Australia. No longer protected by American military interests, Australia must repel an invasion alone.

It is better than Founders or Survivors, and equivalent to Patriots, in my opinion.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:57 | 4327209 superflex
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I have not.  Thanks for the hat tip, HH.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:04 | 4327231 Uncle Remus
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I find it interesting that you read that particular genre HH.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:11 | 4327237 hedgeless_horseman
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No television for more than 15 years, so I read more than Stephen King; he wastes more time writing.

Speaking of Steve, here is a great book:  On Writing: 10th Anniversary Edition: A Memoir of the Craft.  He hates the, "glass nipple," too!

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:21 | 4327284 Uncle Remus
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For whatever reason I figured you for pragmatic, that is, practical. Rawles tends to the idealistic in my view.

Zeros and ones are my bread and butter, but survival is more, how you say, nuanced.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 18:06 | 4328540 Ratscam
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A 42 foot catamaran solves the location problem, since the blue area does not show extensive population.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:13 | 4327255 pacboot
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Yeah, Australia's gonna repel anything since they outlawed guns. We better all learn which way Mecca is.  It might be necessary to blend.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:20 | 4327298 Uncle Remus
Mon, 01/13/2014 - 16:59 | 4328329 Dinero D. Profit
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We already know which way to bend. 

From the US, Jerusalem and Mecca are on the same bearing.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 12:21 | 4327304 wisehiney
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Three chapters into it....

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:05 | 4327502 aerojet
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Fear sells to Boomers.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 13:28 | 4327590 wisehiney
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Fear of ignorant offspring.

Mon, 01/13/2014 - 11:51 | 4327191 Sudden Debt
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The Chinese have plenty of land they can buy on the cheap on their right side of the map...

all they got to do is kill the natives but just like the DoDo birds those natives are to fat to outrun anything so that will be quick and easy...

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