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China Expands Military "With Peace In Mind"

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The Chinese military, especially the navy, made great strides last year in improving its combat capabilities, enabling it to better defend the nation against threats to its sovereignty, according to analysts. As China Daily reports, less than a month after being named the head of China's Central Military Commission, President Xi Jinping asked PLA officers to adopt realistic combat criteria in military training. "It is the top priority for the military to be able to fight and win battles," he said during an inspection to the Guangzhou military theater of operations in December 2012. While some have suggested the rapidly expanding PLA navy is driving a seismic shift in Asia's military balance, Chinese experts have refuted such rhetoric, saying military moves by China are only aimed at creating improved self-defense by providing capabilities to match the other parties in the region.

 

 

Via China Daily,

"China should have a military that can match its power status," said Ma Gang, a professor at the People's Liberation Army National Defense University. "It is the only big country that has not achieved reunification and faces serious challenges to its sovereignty and several territorial disputes."

 

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In November, China announced the creation of the East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone, which requires aircraft to report their flight plans and establish identification communications while flying through the zone.

 

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Japan's illegal purchase triggered strong protests from China and prompted it to start regular patrols around the islands last year. In July, five PLA warships steamed out of the Sea of Japan, through the Soya Strait and completed the Chinese navy's first circumnavigation of the Japanese archipelago.

 

Cao Weidong, a researcher at the PLA Naval Military Studies Research Institute, said such activities would not increase tensions and that China's stance remains defensive, while its naval forces are still dwarfed by traditional maritime powers.

 

"Instead, Washington is shifting 60 percent of its warships to the Pacific and Tokyo is gearing up to build a fully fledged military. China is suffering from the threat of escalating conflict," he said.

 

James Holmes, a maritime strategist at the US Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island, and a former US Navy surface warfare officer, said, "Naval commentators suggest the bellicose rhetoric shows that both sides are struggling to adjust to their new rivalry.

 

"And, the Japanese do regional tranquility no service by being alarmed when China's navy transits international straits in a perfectly lawful manner," Holmes told Reuters.

 

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A stronger Chinese military will be able to play a bigger role in serving global peace, he said.

 

Of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, China is the largest contributor of personnel to UN peacekeeping missions.

 

In the past five years, China has sent 16 fleets composed of 42 warships to the Gulf of Aden and waters off Somalia, escorting 5,465 vessels and rescuing 42 ships attacked by pirates.

 

"It is normal for the world to have some suspicions about the Chinese military build-up, while mutual understanding can only be improved through communication."

 


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Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:46 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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"China Strong!"

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:49 | Link to Comment BigJim
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 It is the top priority for the military to be able to fight and win battles...

Deep, deep thinkers, these Chinese.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:02 | Link to Comment knukles
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"I was just following orders repeating that phrase."
           -Captain Obvious

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:24 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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"Make peace with gun, measure progress in megatonne." - Jackson Brown with "e"

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:30 | Link to Comment knukles
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In the end, they'll poison us with melamine and MSG, taking our treasuries and buying our gold.  Long term thinkers, they be.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:34 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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When was the last time China actually WON a battle?  Or actually was involved in a battle?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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1989 Beijing, Tian An Men Square:

People Army 10000

People 0

Close match, but Army is win quantitative speaking.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:03 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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kent state

branch davidian

randy weaver

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Never in US history has their been any thing like Tiananem SQ, ... the college kids no doubt ( arab spring ), wanted democracy, first round of teenage soliders in uniform were unarmed grab and hung by the necks in trees, and then an only then did the gubmint return in force,

 

but at no time in american history, have us college kids nabbed a whole squad of un-armed US-MIL soldiers and hung them by the necks in trees until dead, ...

Comparing USA to CHINA is a waste, the governments waits a long time, until they seek to quell the masses, in the USA  a peep  from the masses brings down the full power of US GUBMINT, ... think occupy, taken out and quick, and no cops were killed, or US soldiers,

In the US the COPS/SOLDIERS do all the kiilling,

In asia, they wait for the masses to kill a cop, and then a firestorm evolves.

 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:21 | Link to Comment Theosebes Goodfellow
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You know, I'm curious. Did the Chinese say exactly who's piece they had "in mind"?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Manthong
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Well, that sham worked for us until we went off the edge.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:52 | Link to Comment Uber Vandal
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Considering that the Art of War was written in China, I think that these few lines should be reflected upon often:

 

All warfare is based on deception


The greatest victory is that which requires no battle

 

 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:47 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Like with these Taiwanese cops?

http://www.thechinamoneyreport.com/2014/01/15/taiwans-military-uniforms-...

My, they look brave....

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Melamine? Boris is sprinkle melamine cracker on Borsch and finish with grand belch!

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:25 | Link to Comment InjectTheVenom
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Ho Li Fuk

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Yu don sei! Mei bi yu chuzu naisa wado nexu taim.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:32 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Sun Tzu rolls over in his grave.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:57 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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We should be worried.  Chinese workers in America will work longer hours, for less, than anyone else.  They are the highest income bracket, the most educated, and have the lowest crime rate of any immigrant group.  They consume next to nothing, produce twice their american counterparts, save money religiously, and are generally not materialistic.  Anyone who has worked with a lot of chinese folks, poor and rich, know this.  I know chinese multi-millionaires working in shithole offices with a 8 year old air conditioner and dirt all over the walls. They just don't give a fuck what you think, and will take your money to the local chinese credit union, send half back to China, and still be more productive with the rest than most of us.  Say hello to your new overlords.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:30 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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China stated military objective,

Zhonguo bai gun an buletsu, meiguo bai jan ku. wi wilu win wa.

(* China is call China "Zhonguo" and AmeriKa "Meiguo" - if Tyler is make website compliant to UTF-8, Boris is type beautiful China character)

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:31 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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few men can phonetically imitate two foreign accents accurately. kudos, Boriz, is well done.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is work hard for master English and Chinese. You are very thank you!

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:21 | Link to Comment old naughty
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N? zh?nxíng (You're ok --- you're the man).

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Yenbot
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???

Those ??? said CHUGOKUJIN, Boris! Fark.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:59 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Chugokujin is not Chinese, is Japanese (for Chinese). Zhonguomin or Zhonguoren is Chinese (for Chinese).

...keshi, Boris jidao shemma shi?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 11:45 | Link to Comment Apostate2
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'zhidao' Boris. 

 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris de zhongwen hen bu hao!

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:19 | Link to Comment dtwn
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Hmmm, well with 30 million excess males of fighting age by 2020 (due to one child policy) it will certainly be interesting.  30 million virgins, the productive capacity of the world (just as easy for Foxconn to make missile guidance systems and tank electronics as iShit), potential for economic collapse, food inflation, civil unrest, and historical grievances, and you have a recipe for ?????? Moar War!

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:48 | Link to Comment JackWills
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And Australia only 20 some odd total million people and no real jungles to hide out in.  Its a cakewalk for the Chinese.  The excuse will be they came in to protect their investments.  As soon as the USA is embroiled to its neck somewhere else or economically goes over the cliff.  China will secure the easiest portion of the resources pie for itself.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 06:06 | Link to Comment PT
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After they finish buying Australia, there won't be much left to invade, but I guess there might come a point where they can't be bothered spending the last extra couple of bucks.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:20 | Link to Comment Sizzurp
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China seems more and more aggressive, eager to flex their muscle.  Nationalism is strong and I don't get the feeling they are building this war machine to put in the corner and admire.  I get the feeling they will be putting it to use, and soon.  They are shaping up to be a powerful adversary in the Pacific region.  Let's hope cooler heads prevail before any shooting starts.  The cycles of history unfortunately suggest a big one is due.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 03:47 | Link to Comment merizobeach
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Agreed.  This article's headline contrasts rather sharply with the headline from two days ago.. 

China Plans To Seize South China Sea Island From Philippines, Says "Battle Will Be Restricted"
Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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And in addition to enabling the "fire sale" of all our precious metals?...

Why not provide logistics to them from a Company with such a great reputation for breaking every conceivable law in it's operations it's changed it's name 3 times.

The rabiit hole just seems to get deeper with time!

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Ex-Blackwater_Chief_pitching_to_run_logistics_for_Chinese_mining_and_energy_companies_in_Africa./32018/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Frozen IcQb
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And they’re importing all that precious metal to make gold plated bullets.

 Whodanode!

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:22 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Even the likes of Erik Prince realizes that with everything else moving East where the solid money appears to be heading Why not "Mercs R' Us"?...

If that doesn't raise a "red flag" (no pun intended) of how bad things are getting in the U.S.A. than nothing will.

Don't think this is a fait accompli by any stretch at this point, but it would be of enormous interest if this partnership ever made it off the ground and the Chinese actually ended up using his company.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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Nice move dumping his "African aviation company" to the venture.

He seems to have the right kind of partners though.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:43 | Link to Comment piceridu
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Arms makers rejoice! Chinese and Japanese buyers of everything that goes boom...*note: payment will be made withn US Treasuries and Bitcoin.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:44 | Link to Comment caShOnlY
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Meet China, the new superpower of the world.   Pretty soon China will flex a muscle and take some islands from the Philippines.  Then some from Japan.  The she will take the Philippines.  Not Japan though, too much radiation! ROR!  

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:28 | Link to Comment old naughty
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"It is normal for the world to have some suspicions about the Chinese military build-up, while mutual understanding can only be improved through communication."

…or gesture (presence) !

“Of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council, China is the largest contributor of personnel to UN peacekeeping missions.”

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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They want "reunification" first.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:46 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Oh yea, well piece to you, you sonamabich, I go back to Italy.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:48 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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Fear run like hell, the chinese navy is coming to you ...

China navy goes from zero to 1 or 2 ships,

USA has 1,000's of ships

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Fear IRAN nukes to from zero to maybe one, ...

USA has enough nukes to kill everyone on earth 10,000 times

**

Nobody on earth has ever dropped a nuke on HUMAN's over than the USA, and the USA has the most ships, nukes and a track record of SADISM.

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What do you do? Have the ZH MSM do a story about the HUGE fucking chinese navy, ... funny shit? Shit.

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:53 | Link to Comment SMG
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They will field a large blue water navy within the next 5-10 years.

We have gotten rid of most of our nukes including the MX missle, the detrrent is decreasing.

Most of their nukes are mobile, most of ours are fixed in silos.

The NWO plan is to first strike nuke the US from Russia/China.

http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html

Don't be so smug, there is real danger here, especially as an American.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:02 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Don't waste your breath, SMG.  He knows everything.  Just ask him.  In fact, you don't need to.  He'll gladly tell you all on his own.  Haven't seen the subject yet he's not an expert on.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:15 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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No one is nuking anyone. When the time comes, they will release the virus. Why blow everything up?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:41 | Link to Comment old naughty
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agreed with the virus, after all, they'd been at it (in the labs) for so long...

b,b,but, ever since that mid-summer day in '45, the nukes are for a purpose, no?

if not for deterring benevolent aliens not to internfere with the LIVE-backward (seen the Paul Hellyer vid?) here; then what?

Who erected the Guidestones?

 

NOT what it seems !

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:22 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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Q. Who erected the Guidestones?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:16 | Link to Comment vie
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Virus is less fun?  And a lot less obvious as to why we all need to give up our soveriegnty to the UN.  Viruses are for silent kills.  Nukes and chemical weapons are for politics.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:55 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Really worked out well since 1945 with all that firepower.

Taking on forces much weaker without nukes .and still getting your ass handed to you.

Sure it will be different this time.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 03:08 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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Genocide in IRAQ is almost infinite do to 'depleted uranium' bullets used by US-MIL,

Childhood Death from dysentery and radiation poisoning, almost total, don't fool your self that the USA hasn't nuked a country since 1945.

Everywhere the US goes they poison the water with radioactive materials, and take out sewage treatment plants.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:17 | Link to Comment chump666
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America hasn't had a stand up fight since WW2, instead it over uses it's war machine to fight (and sometimes lose) in sh*tholes around the globe (still paranoid of Russia and now China hence the quagmire battles it has waged).  China could and will launch a ton of convention missiles into any navy skirmish, that and it's air-force will attack Japan/US targets in a tight zone (South China Sea).  Cut off fuel lines and attack navy bases in the region. 

Think about it, China is one massive military base, Japan is small Island, America is overstretched.   Now if it goes nuclear, which it might, it would be tactical Nukes on China's military targets bases and or neutron attacks.

I hope this doesn't happen, but rampant monetization and degrading of free markets will lead to war i.e the distraction, find an enemy

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Gromit
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"Train hard, fight easy"

Training for the US military consists of regular, consistent engagements with inferior oppostioin which nevertheless ensure that the sharp point of the spear is combat ready.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:43 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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The long occupations of both Iraq and Afghanistan are by DESIGN....not accident

The goal is not to win, but rather leave US Military installations all over the world.......

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:14 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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In the end it's all about what happens once "the dust settles". 

Yes we have more military bases in the ME than we ever had prior to 9/11, but I disagree with the notion that if the goal is 'not' to win that you can somehow sustain a military presence indefinitely.  Nothing could be further from the truth when you look at what happened to the U.S. occupation in Vietnam and the Soviet Union's occupation of Afghanistan.

Just ask Chris Stevens how that U.S. embassy is working out in Libya?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:46 | Link to Comment chump666
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And that has been a epic failure.  After countless deaths of servicemen, thousands of civilians butchered in those 'wars', in the end, the Treasury via the Fed will just pay those lunatics that run those despot sh*dumps a 'rent'.

Pathetic

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Gromit
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The strategy is to maintain fighting efficiency of US troups.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:50 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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I pity the CHINESE,

The have no history of invading others, yet the USA has invaded CHINA (BOXER REBELLION)

The JAP's have invaded CHINA, ... and raped and killed millions of little girls ( Jap Fuck Camps ).

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SO the CHINESE are a little "NEVER AGAIN", surprise - surprise the CHINESE are the JEWS of ASIA, they have all the money and all the GOLD, and they KNOW the JAP's and USA want their GOLD.

They defend themselves and ZH attacks them, what's a mother to do?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:52 | Link to Comment Matt
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How do you think China came to be as big as it is? By continuously annexing neighboring countries. 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Mine Is Bigger
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China has no history of invading others?  China still occupies Tibet and other peripheral regions that traditionally did not belong to it.

No one is interested in invading China.  The country is polluted and cannot even feed its massive population without imports.  Isn't it obvious China is the agressor at this point in time, not Japan or the U.S.?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:54 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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Througout histroy the USA has invaded china.

China has never invaded the US.

Tibet was always part of CHINA.

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The USA is more polluted than CHINA, you really should travel with your own eyes. Outside of ugly city's china is beautiful, outside of ugly usa city's usa is  full hairlips.

 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:04 | Link to Comment prains
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AnAnlogousAnus 

 

is that yu, reincarnate as Satonmyfaci 6969 ??.......wee misss yu !!!

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 06:11 | Link to Comment Zwelgje
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Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:25 | Link to Comment W74
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China invaded Vietnam in 1978....and lost horribly to a country that just spent 25 years beating the crap out of France, USA, and Cambodia with narry a break inbetween.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:50 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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Vietnam ran out the french, the british, the irish, and the ameriKKKan's all with CHINESE support.

Most vietnamese have more in common with china than the se-asia in general.

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The west had colonized se-asia for years and chinese support ran the west out, and this is a good thing.

The west had long colonized china, and created the opium-wars,

At no time in history has china tried to colonize  the west, why should they? When in the west its all for-sale, ... you just buy it, you don't have to steal it.

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:09 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Something tells me China will not give out medals for "restraint" while under heavy fire and have rules of engagement that demand soldiers not shoot until fired upon.

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:06 | Link to Comment zaphod
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Very true.

As much as I am against the US war machine, in the history of mankind there has never been a leading military power that has so willingly constrained its own actions.

Part of me wonders though if this is because the US is so far ahead of anyone else in terms of military power, and if that lead was lost and the US had a real fight on its hands if any of those rules would stick. 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:07 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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The purpose of the US-MIL war machine is to control the US People, that is obvious.

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In asia the army has to wait until a cop or soldier dies, before they fight back, in USA the cop's and/or soldiers KILL when ever they feel they wish.

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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How's that go again? Beware the military industrial complex? It seems there is some wisdom in those words. Too bad a "peaceful" people didn't listen.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Gromit
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Well yes.

If you want a kickass military, which you expect to win battles, you have to use it regularly.

Whether you need to or not.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:33 | Link to Comment TheFulishBastid
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War is Peace.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:43 | Link to Comment Gromit
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Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:37 | Link to Comment QE49er
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What to do with 200 Million single men?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:58 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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Either use them for cannon fodder and/or have them capture 200 million women. They could tell the Phillipines and Indonesia - all your women belong to us.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:13 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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flipino women or indo, would rather have a chinese-man

all chinese men are RICH, enough said

asian women, all marry UP, economically, all these country's are dirt-poor, and glad to see the prettiest young woman in every village marry a china-man, and make the entire village richer,

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:58 | Link to Comment Matt
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Colonize Africa.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:21 | Link to Comment W74
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Beat me to it.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:15 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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Chinese men go to Laos, Myanmar, or vietnam for wives, ... In north Laos, its all open now.

China is now changing the one child law, and it was always one child in the city but 2+ in the villages, so a man could always have a city wife, and a village wive(s) in many villages,

The real problem is china, is that if you don't have money, you don't have pussy, but in the USA guys are fucking their pitbulls, .... same deal in USA, you can get pussy, but you don't want to fuck her, your dog  looks better in Tacoma, Washington.

[ usa same-same, no money no pusssy, bit-tard's go after virtual-women, that is the best model on earth, of where the PTB are taking YOU ]

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 21:52 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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"China expands military with peace in mind".

AmeriKa sez, been there done that.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:02 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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The new New East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

Plus China could tell 20 million never to have a wife young males to grab a AK, 50 rounds and walk to Paris. And not ever care.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:03 | Link to Comment cheetahbaby
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Curious how many ZH readers would trade the U.S. Navy for China's. Didn't think so. Not being jingoistic here, but not impressed with Chinese subs, amphibious capabilities, and air force. Where does China'a 100 million man trained militia deploy to??? China wants to project power and intimidate weaker powers, not count smoking holes on their territory after their navy and air force have been destroyed.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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I seem to recall one of those "unimpressive" subs popping up in the middle of a carrier battle group.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:52 | Link to Comment post turtle saver
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it popped up 9 nm away from a carrier in an area where torpedo screws would have turned it into an instant target... pretty loose definition of middle... since then, the PLAN "threat" has failed to materialize while US Navy sub production has doubled... the US Navy fucking owns blue water above and below, anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously deluded... hard to build a navy to compete with the US when Russia decides they're going to stop exporting them and you can't build one yourself for shit... seriously, what next, the ChiComs gonna start having India build some for them? don't make me laugh... haze gray and underway, bitchez

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:00 | Link to Comment JackWills
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Do not underestimate what hard work can build in one generation and what hard theft can undo in another.  Look at the USA now for an example of a thieving generation and the at the Chinese for a generation working its hardest.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:35 | Link to Comment post turtle saver
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well they need to work harder, because they can't get parts for or build nuke subs for shit... you simply cannot own blue water w/o a nuclear sub force, diesel/electric won't cut it

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:40 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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Do you know how the term Chinese fire drill was coined? In the early 20th century the British officers of a ship with Chinese crew planned a fire drill to prepare the crew in case of fire in the engine room. In a bucket brigade one team was to fill buckets from the starboard side and throw it on the "fire." Another team below was to remove the accumulated water and throw it off the port side. Something was lost in translation and with admirable speed and perfect execution the buckets from starboard were passed across the deck where the water was thrown off the port, completely bypassing the "fire" in the engine room.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:07 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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China has a 3-stooges view of Peace. We get a piece of this country, another piece of this one and a piece of that one. Then we have Peace.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:13 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Funny how all the money wasted on 'defense' is justified by saying it's to keep the peace.

Fighting for peace is like fucking for chastity, to quote an oldy from the 70s

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:00 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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There are at least a couple of hundred thousand Chinese "graduate students" already in the US. Not one of them left China without being thoroughly vetted by Chinese military intelligence. Ever wonder how many of them DO NOT already have an assigned target when the word comes down that it's time? I have five fingers on one hand - I think that hand will do just fine for counting those who are unlikely to turn out to be enemy agents.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:10 | Link to Comment cheetahbaby
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Didn't Mao say that for as long as humans roam the earth there will always be at least one Chinaman....

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 23:37 | Link to Comment denverdolomte
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Yeah what the hell do the Chinese know? They are so bad at holding traditions and ideologies. /sarc

"All warfare is based on deception. Hence, when we are able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must appear inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near."

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:55 | Link to Comment post turtle saver
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when you're strong, appear weak... when weak, appear strong... with the ChiComs puffing their chests out so much recently, guess which end of the spectrum they sit on at the moment... QED

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:16 | Link to Comment Things that go bump
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I have mentioned before that their rhetoric is starting to sound French. Maybe it is a problem of translation and in the original Mandarin it doesn't come across as ridiculously excessive, but I doubt it. I think appeasement would be a very poor strategy. 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 00:02 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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What exactly is China's "power status"? I know they are really tops in shitting on the side of the road and utilizing child slave labor. I know they hold a shit-ton of soon-to-be worthless bonds.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 05:33 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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Is that part of the US's exit strategy - "declare war" in order to eliminate all that troublesome debt? Why not declare war on Japan once again - they hold heaps of US debt too - and the "benefit" of a short conflict would be to significantly reduce US liabilities (and debt servicing interest to boot).

Of course, the Chinese could simply point out that the US "chose" to declare hostilities simply in order to default, and there are many, many Countries which would be very sympathetic to China's cause - Countries that are getting fed up with subsidising the lifestyle of the World's No 1 debtor Nation . . . . .

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:19 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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The USA is the new NAZI

Nazi's need gold-teeth,

Who has the GOLD ? China

Where will USA NAzi go? To China

When? Who knows

Now ZH/MSM must start demonizing chinese to justify the gold-teeth extraction program to fund US-MIL in the future.

 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 01:59 | Link to Comment CouldBeWorse
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This is all about oil boys and girls.  Currently oil is priced in Dollars and as ZH has pointed out many times,  China has a real disdain for our greenback going forward.  China needs the oil reserves at the bottom of the South China Sea.  Everything you read about them wanting some mineraless island rocks owned by Japan and other red herrings are just side shows to the main negotiation.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:04 | Link to Comment dunce
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"Providing matching capabilities" is just another way to describe an arms race. Every race has an end.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:25 | Link to Comment Spungo
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China should test nuclear weapons over Japan. It's already a nuclear wasteland, so why not?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:26 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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Chinese experts have refuted such rhetoric, saying military moves by China are only aimed at creating improved self-defense

 

Seriously, what country would invade China? To get what, their smog and polluted rivers? Even if several countries invaded China the country is too big to hold even if it was captured. The militaries around China are not even big enough to hold its main cities.

 

China is building up its military to use it against its neighbors.

 

March of the Han.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:32 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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NUKE THOSE COMMIE BASTARDS TODAY, WHILE YOU CAN STILL WIN.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 04:08 | Link to Comment newbie vampire
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Funny how everyone's focus is on the Chicom threat to US.  Realistically, rate the strength of the PLA against a battle hardened US military.  OTOH everyone seems to assume the US can ALWAYS rely on the support of Japan.  Well folks, its best to keep an eye on the re-emerging militarisation of a new patriotic Japan.  If Japan is a 60lb military weakling in Asia, thats because the US defeated Imperial Japan and humiliated it by binding them with a pacifist constitution.  As the new Shogun Abe is trying to instill patriotism and nationalism in the population, I suspect it won't be to the benefit of the US if he does succeed.  Don't forget it wasn't the Chicoms who dropped two lovely firework packages on them.  And a new Shogun reinterpreting history to fit his world view of a past honorable and glorious  history is not likely to forget that.  He's human and his pride wouldn't allow him to forget "perceived" past injustices.  I would sleep better at night if the US fits a small device up the Shogun's ass.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 02:50 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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Sooner or later China will have to use their peace force to spread some peace. They already have a large surplus of men with no chance of finding wives unless they go fishing overseas. So, a military of peace and lots of men with no one to stick their cocks in... Somehow, for a split second, I thought about the red army and eastern Germany during WW2.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 04:01 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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One of the problems, all you boys on laptops safely in the USA is missing, is that given years of single-child family's in URBAN china, and boy's by choice is that every chinese boy is a fat-ass little fuck, they're all called 'KINGS" in their extended family's, with maybe ten adults pampering every male child, they grow expecting this shit forever.

Now if one of you hair-lip USA commentators could picture this that china is now a nation of spoiled rotten little brat's that have never worked a day in their life,..

Ooops wait the more I write about present China, the more ameriKKKa comes to my mind.

But I think some will get the POINT, CHINA has bred a nation of pussy momma boys, and if you doubt what I say, go to china an see for yourself.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 10:12 | Link to Comment proLiberty
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All hardware from Harbor Freight. But recall Stalin: "quantity has a quality all its own."

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