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Fed's Fisher Says "Investors Have Beer Goggles From Liquidity", Joins Goldman In Stock Correction Warning

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"Continuing large-scale asset purchases risks placing us in an untenable position, both from the standpoint of unreasonably inflating the stock, bond and other tradable asset markets and from the perspective of complicating the future conduct of monetary policy," warns the admittedly-hawkish Dallas Fed head. Fisher goes on to confirm Peter Boockvar's "QE puts beer goggles on investors," analogy adding that while he is "not among those who think we are presently in a 'bubble' mode for stocks or bonds; he is reminded of William McChesney Martin comments - the longest-serving Fed chair - "markets for anything tradable overshoot and one must be prepared for adjustments that bring markets back to normal valuations."

 

Via Dallas Fed President Richard Fisher

Beer Goggles, Monetary Camels, the Eye of the Needle and the First Law of Holes

During the holiday break, I spent a good deal of time trying to organize my thoughts on how I will approach monetary policy going forward. Today, I am going to share some of those thoughts that might be of interest to you as corporate directors.

At the last meeting of the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), it was decided that the amount of Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities (MBS) we have been purchasing should each be pared back by $5 billion, so that we would be purchasing a total of $75 billion a month (in addition to reinvesting the proceeds of maturing issues we hold) rather than $85 billion per month. In addition, it was noted that “if incoming information broadly supports the Committee’s expectation(s) … the Committee will likely reduce the pace of asset purchases in further measured steps at future meetings.” And it was made clear that the FOMC expects it will hold the base rate that anchors the yield curve—the federal funds rate, or the rate on overnight money—to its present near-zero rate well past the time when unemployment is reduced to 6½ percent.

I was pleased with the decision to finally begin tapering our bond purchases, though I would have preferred to pull back our purchases by double the announced amount. But the important thing for me is that the committee began the process of slowing down the ballooning of our balance sheet, which at year-end exceeded $4 trillion. And we began—and I use that word deliberately, for we have more to do on this front—to clarify our intentions for managing the overnight money rate.

As an economist would say, “on net” I was rather pleased with the decision taken at the December FOMC meeting.

Under the chairmanship of Ben Bernanke, all 12 Federal Reserve Bank presidents, together with the sitting governors of the Federal Reserve Board, have input into the decision-making process. There is a formal vote—regardless of who is the Fed chair—that includes only five of the 12 regional Bank presidents plus the governors, but all of the principals seated at the table participate fully in the discussion of what to do. And yet, either because we will effect a change in the chairmanship starting in February or because at the last meeting we took the step of tapering back by a small amount our massive purchase of Treasuries and MBS, great attention is being placed on the voters for 2014, of which I am one.

Two comments I recently read have been buzzing around my mind as I think about the many issues that will condition my actions as a voter.

Beer Goggles …

The first was by Peter Boockvar, who is among the plethora of analysts offering different viewpoints that I regularly read to get a sense of how we are being viewed in the marketplace. Here is a rather pungent quote from a note he sent out on Jan. 2:

“…QE [quantitative easing] puts beer goggles on investors by creating a line of sight where everything looks good…”

For those of you unfamiliar with the term “beer goggles,” the Urban Dictionary defines it as “the effect that alcohol … has in rendering a person who one would ordinarily regard as unattractive as … alluring.” This audience might substitute “wine” or “martini” or “margarita” for “beer” to make it more age-appropriate, but the effect is the same: Things often look better when one is under the influence of free-flowing liquidity. This is one reason why William McChesney Martin, the longest-serving Fed chairman in our institution’s 100-year history, famously said that the Fed’s job is to take away the punchbowl just as the party gets going.[2]

… and the Eye of the Needle

The other eye catcher for me was a cartoon in the Jan. 6 issue of The New Yorker. Sitting in a room are two businessmen who are apparently conversant with the New Testament’s book of Matthew. One says to the other, “We need either bigger needles or smaller camels.”

Today, I want to muse aloud about whether QE has indeed put beer goggles on investors and whether we, the Fed, can pass the camel of massive quantitative easing through the eye of the needle of normalizing monetary policy without creating havoc.

Free and Abundant Money Changes Perspective

Boockvar is right. When money available to investors is close to free and is widely available, and there is a presumption that the central bank will keep it that way indefinitely, discount rates applied to assessing the value of future cash flows shift downward, making for lower hurdle rates for valuations. A bull market for stocks and other claims on tradable companies ensues; the financial world looks rather comely.

Market operators donning beer goggles and even some sober economists consider analysts like Boockvar party poopers. But I have found myself making arguments similar to his and to those of other skeptics at recent FOMC meetings, pointing to some developments that signal we have made for an intoxicating brew as we have continued pouring liquidity down the economy’s throat.

Among them:

  • Share buybacks financed by debt issuance that after tax treatment and inflation incur minimal, and in some cases negative, cost; this has a most pleasant effect on earnings per share apart from top-line revenue growth.
  • Dividend payouts financed by cheap debt that bolster share prices.
  • The “bull/bear spread” for equities now being higher than in October 2007.
  • Stock market metrics such as price-to-sales ratios and market capitalization as a percentage of gross domestic product at eye-popping levels not seen since the dot-com boom of the late 1990s.
  • Margin debt that is pushing up against all-time records.
  • In the bond market, investment-grade yield spreads over “risk free” government bonds becoming abnormally tight.
  • “Covenant lite” lending becoming robust and the spread between CCC credit and investment-grade credit or the risk-free rate historically narrow. I will note here that I am all for helping businesses get back on their feet so that they can expand employment and America’s prosperity: This is the root desire of the FOMC. But I worry when “junk” companies that should borrow at a premium reflecting their risk of failure are able to borrow (or have their shares priced) at rates that defy the odds of that risk. I may be too close to this given my background. From 1989 through 1997, I was managing partner of a fund that bought distressed debt, used our positions to bring about changes in the companies we invested in, and made a handsome profit from the dividends, interest payments and stock price appreciation that flowed from the restructured companies. Today, I would have to hire Sherlock Holmes to find a single distressed company priced attractively enough to buy.

And then there are the knock-on effects of all of the above. Market operators are once again spending money freely outside of their day jobs. An example: For almost 40 years, I have spent a not insignificant portion of my savings collecting rare, first-edition books. Like any patient investor in any market, I have learned through several market cycles that you buy when nobody wants something and sell when everyone clamors for more. During the financial debacle of 2007–09, I was able to buy for a song volumes I have long coveted (including a mint-condition first printing from 1841 of Mackay’s Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions, which every one of you should read and re-read, certainly if you are contemplating seeing the movie The Wolf of Wall Street). Today, I could not afford them. First editions, like paintings, sculptures, fine wines, Bugattis and homes in Highland Park or River Oaks, have become the by-product of what I am sure Bill Martin would consider a party well underway.

I want to make clear that I am not among those who think we are presently in a “bubble” mode for stocks or bonds or most other assets. But this much I know: Just as Martin knew by virtue of his background as a noneconomist who had hands-on Wall Street experience, markets for anything tradable overshoot and one must be prepared for adjustments that bring markets back to normal valuations.

This need not threaten the real economy. The “slow correction” of 1962 comes to mind as an example: A stock market correction took place, and yet the economy continued to fare well.

Here is the point as to the market’s beer goggles. Were a stock market correction to ensue while I have the vote, I would not flinch from supporting continued reductions in the size of our asset purchases as long as the real economy is growing, cyclical unemployment is declining and demand-driven deflation remains a small tail risk; I would vote for continued reductions in our asset purchases, with an eye toward eliminating them entirely at the earliest practicable date.

How Large Is the Camel?

Let’s turn to the camel, by which I mean the size of the Fed’s balance sheet.

A little history provides some perspective. We began to grow our balance sheet as we approached year-end 2008. On Sept. 10, 2008, the amount of Reserve Bank credit outstanding was $867 billion. On Nov. 25, 2008, we announced a program to purchase $100 billion of securities issued by the housing-related government-sponsored enterprises, together with our intent to purchase up to $500 billion in MBS in order to goose the housing market. I supported these initiatives, recognizing that the economy was in the throes of a financial panic.

Following our December 2008 meeting, the FOMC announced that it had cut the target range for the fed funds rate to 0-to-1/4 of 1 percent, and being thus “zero bound,” we floated the idea of purchasing longer-term Treasuries in order to provide further monetary accommodation (when we buy Treasuries or MBS and agency debt, we put money into the financial system, substituting for further interest rate cuts). On March 18, 2009, we announced additional purchases of up to $750 billion of agency MBS and up to $100 billion of agency debt, plus purchases of up to $300 billion of longer-term Treasury securities over six months. That day, our balance sheet was marked at $2 trillion.

There are some details that impacted our balance sheet, which I have omitted so as not to bore you or entangle you in the entrails of central bank operations: For example, liquidity swaps with other central banks declined from a peak occasioned by the financial crisis of $583 billion the week ended Dec. 10, 2008, to $330 billion the following March, thus somewhat mitigating the growth of our balance sheet over that period.[3]

From my perch, I considered a balance sheet of $2-plus trillion and a base lending rate of 0-to-1/4 of 1 percent more than sufficient to stimulate not just the housing market but the stock market, too, thus placing us on the path of what economists refer to as “the wealth effect”—the working assumption that rising prices for homes, stocks and bonds floats the income boat of all Americans.

I basically said so publicly on March 26, 2009, in a speech to the RISE Forum, an annual student investment conference. At the time, the S&P 500 was priced at 814, the Nasdaq at 1,529 and the Dow at 7,750. The mindset of investors at that moment was summarized at an earlier FOMC meeting by one of my most esteemed colleagues at the Fed, who quipped that in looking at the balance sheets of most financial institutions, “nothing on the right is right and nothing on the left is left.” As I looked at the faces of the students gathered in that vast auditorium, I could see in their eyes a reflection of the gloom and doom of the time.

Here is what I told these young investors that dark morning: “… the current economic and financial predicament represents a potential gold mine rather than a minefield. Historically, great investors have made their money by climbing a wall of worry rather than letting a woeful consensus cow them. … Your job as investors is … to ferret out from the general-market malaise good financial and business operators whose franchises and prospects are overdiscounted at current prices. Were I you … I would be licking my chops at the opportunities that always abound in times of adversity. … There are a lot of dollar bills that can be found in the debris of the current markets that can be picked up for nickels and dimes.”

Of course, I would not mention this today had I been wrong! Currently, the right hand side of the balance sheet of most any well-managed market-traded business is chock-full of restructured, cheap debt and leaner common stock, while the left side is bulging with surplus cash. The S&P closed yesterday at 1,819, the Nasdaq at 4,113 and the Dow at 16,258—a plateau over two times above the valley into which they had descended in 2009.

And, again, there are the signs of conspicuous consumption I mentioned earlier that reflect a fully robust stock market. If there is indeed a wealth effect that spreads from clever market operators to the working people of America, a $2 trillion balance sheet might well have been sufficient to have performed the trick.

The FOMC is a committee, however, and the majority of my colleagues have disagreed with me on this point. We have since doubled our balance sheet to $4 trillion. This has resulted not only in saltatory[4] housing, bond and stock markets, but a real economy that is on the mend, with cyclical unemployment declining and inflation thus far held at bay.

Here is the rub. We have accomplished the last $2 trillion of balance-sheet expansion by purchasing unprecedented amounts of longer-maturity assets: As of Jan. 8, 2014, 75 percent of Federal Reserve-held loans and securities had remaining maturities in excess of five years.

A Narrow Needle Eye

The brow begins to furrow. To be sure, Treasury and MBS markets are liquid markets. But the old market operator in me is conscious that we hold nearly 40 percent of outstanding eligible MBS and of Treasuries with more than five years to maturity. Selling that concentrated an amount of even the most presumably liquid assets would be a heck of lot more complicated than accumulating it.

Currently, this is not an issue. But as the economy grows, the massive amount of money sitting on the sidelines will be activated; the “velocity” of money will accelerate. If it does so too quickly, we might create inflation or financial market instability or both.

The 12 Federal Reserve Banks house the excess reserves of the depository institutions of America: If loan demand fails to grow at the same rate as banks accumulate reserves due to our hyperaccommodative monetary policy, the resultant excess reserves are deposited with us at a rate of return of 25 basis points (1/4 of 1 percent per annum).

Here is some math confronting policymakers: Excess reserves are currently 65 percent of the monetary base and rising. The only other time excess reserves as a percentage of the base have come anywhere close to this level was at the close of the 1930s, when the ratio hit 41 percent. We are in uncharted territory.

To prevent excess reserves from fueling a too-rapid expansion of bank lending in an expanding economy, the Fed will need to either drain reserves on a large scale by selling longer-term assets at a loss or provide inducements to banks to keep reserves idle, by offering interest on excess reserves at a rate competitive with what banks might earn on loans to businesses and consumers. Or we might employ more widely new techniques we are currently testing, such as “reverse repos,” complex transactions in which we, in effect, borrow cash overnight from market operators while posting securities as collateral.

Such inducements to control the velocity of the monetary base might expose the Fed to intense scrutiny and criticism. The big banks that park the lion’s share of excess reserves with us are hardly the darlings of public sentiment. Raising interest payments to them while scaling back our remittances to the Treasury might raise a few congressional eyebrows. And as to our repo operations, we have never implemented them on anywhere near the scale envisioned.

Of greatest concern to me is that the risk of scrutiny and criticism might hinder policymakers from acting quickly enough to remove or dampen the dry inflationary tinder that is inherent in the massive, but currently fallow, monetary base.

In the parlance of central banking, the “exit” challenge we now face is somewhat daunting: How do we pass a camel fattened by trillions of dollars of longer-term, less-liquid purchases through the eye of the needle of getting back to a “normalized” balance sheet so as to keep inflation under wraps and yet provide the right amount of monetary impetus for the economy to keep growing and expanding?

The First Law of Holes

I have great faith in the integrity and brainpower of my fellow policymakers. I am confident that the 19 earnest women and men that make up the FOMC will do their level best under Chairwoman Janet Yellen’s leadership to accomplish a smooth exit that keeps prices stable and the economy in a job-creating mode. But my confidence will be bolstered if my colleagues adopt the First Law of Holes espoused in the late ’70s by then-British Chancellor of the Exchequer Denis Healey: “If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.”

The housing market is well along in repair;[5] the economy is expanding; cyclical unemployment is declining. To be sure, there will be individual data points that appear to challenge confidence, like the just-released employment report for December. But I believe the odds favor continued economic progress. And I believe that continuing large-scale asset purchases risks placing us in an untenable position, both from the standpoint of unreasonably inflating the stock, bond and other tradable asset markets and from the perspective of complicating the future conduct of monetary policy.

The eye of the needle of pulling off a clean exit is narrow; the camel is already too fat. As soon as feasible, we should change tack. We should stop digging. I plan to cast my votes at FOMC meetings accordingly.

 


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Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:43 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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the usual bad-cop crazy-cop schitick ...

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:44 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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“We have already contrived to possess the minds of the goy communities…[they are] looking through the spectacles we are setting astride their noses.” (Protocols of Zion,12)

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:44 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Who is Dick Fisher, and why is he important?  Did he create a cure for some disease?  Did he develop a better mobile device?  Did he help impoverished children?

These jackasses all sit in their shrine, pontificating about how things should be.  They are useless to anyone or anything meaningful in this world.

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:52 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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He's the guy looking through the glass.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Central bankers are the new priest class.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:20 | Link to Comment negative rates
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The second law of holes, as defined by me, is, when filling a hole, always start at the bottom.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 19:13 | Link to Comment cynicalskeptic
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They fill faster if you throw a few bodies in.

Was just in the car listening to a BBC report on JPM - the commentator astounded that a company could pay $20 billion in fines and still post $20 billion in profits ...then the interviewer asked if that meant the fines were enough.... 'Well.... you don't want to hurt the company too much or upset the markets.... ' but then the absence of repurcussions ws raised.... How is it that NOBODY has been criminally prosecuted, that no executives have PERSONALLY suffered any consequences....

Accountability and equal treatment under the law - both are conspicuously absent

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 05:27 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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Yup. They'll fill 'em with sheeple and muppets.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Cursive
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@nope-1004

Exactly.  I'd settle for an answer to the question as to whether or not Fisher read his coveted 1841 first edition of Mackay's book on delusions.  This imbecile lives in his own bubble; maybe he should trying walking around other parts of Dallas and Houston than Highland Park and River Oaks.  What a waste of paper and human DNA....

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:45 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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So this means no stock correction?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:50 | Link to Comment TheLooza
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I don't mean to rub this in, but I got ridiculed quite a bit yesterday when I said I loaded up on calls at the close.  ZH should NOT go deer in the headlights unless a bearish market move is validated. 

I'd propose that there shall be no deer in the headlights unless....

1 day >3% drop S&P

2 day >4% ...

3 day >5% ...

I feel bad when the deer comes out after a small one day drop and everyone starts saying first day of the correction, only to get smashed the next day.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:52 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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Relatively speaking yesterday was a deer in headlights day. By next year a flat close will be a deer in headlights day.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:23 | Link to Comment max2205
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Players at this party are passed out and in a coma....but they are still making coin.

 

It's hard to believe that we could all be so blinded by the Fed after the worse drop in modern history just 6 years ago.

 

Pick a card....any card

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 05:46 | Link to Comment Wahooo
Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:30 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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the problem now is that if the market falls gold will fall with. certain parts of the economy have never done better. but market corrections are healthy...and bull market corrections can be very excessive since the build up in expectations is so pronounced...along with the leverage to moonshot the thing. this is "hot money"...there is "cold" or stagnant debt out there too. that's the crap the Fed has been hiding from us in the hope an economic recovery would materialize. This is the best they could do...I think the wind down commences and happens very quickly (20 billion a month.)

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:03 | Link to Comment kianator
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I concur.  Just a strong technical down move accompanied by somewhat stronger than average down volume.  But, not strong enough to indicate the bull gig is up just yet.  You need that big down move for more than a few days with huge downside volume (2-3x avg.) to indicate that the trend has changed  

Wait to see what the S&P closes on Friday - weekly closes are more important.

Not everybody is trading weekly options on ZH like yourself and also my wife. :-)

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:14 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Fisher says market not irrational nor exuberant nor irrationally exuberant, yet, he doesn't think.

...Would never publicly concede it if he thought it was already way past irrational nor exuberant (ebullient), as no central banker ever would/could.

SSDD. Buy Salesforce.com, TSLA, AMZN, PCLN, LULU and rock on. Buy some 0.00% 1 month tnotes while you're at it. And don't forget to buy some Radio Shack junk bonds.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:24 | Link to Comment 0b1knob
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"eye of the needle" is an interesting choice for a metaphor.   The actual biblical quotation is 

“It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”

This goes along with the advice Jesus gives to a Roman that the first thing he must do to become a Christian is to give all his wealth to the poor.

If you are rich you are one of the damned.   We already know what we should do, but down the road to hell we all go.   God hates rich people, money changers and bankers.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:29 | Link to Comment Cruel Aid
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Bill Gates is doing Gods work, just ask anyone.

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:54 | Link to Comment SoilMyselfRotten
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Think you are injecting your own interpretation Knob. The LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. Solomon was probably the wealthiest person of all time having been blessed BY God. So, no, God doesn't hate rich people. What He does contend is rich people tend to serve their wealth instead of Him.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:55 | Link to Comment i_call_you_my_base
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Depends on the book. In the New Testament Jesus essentially says rich people are evil.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:59 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  This goes along with the advice Jesus gives to a Roman that the first thing he must do to become a Christian is to give all his wealth to the poor.

Good thing religion depends so much on duplicity or there would be allot of poor rich people.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:40 | Link to Comment giggler321
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Since they've not defined the size of an eye of an needle, I'm sure it would fit, like voting, all that matters is who's counting

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:16 | Link to Comment Hindenburg...Oh Man
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I tend to agree. Everyone in the mainstream financial media was becoming hysterical about a "correction"....and even here we were anticipating it to some degree (although not really).... and then suddenly the next day we are pushing up against 13 years highs on the NASDAQ by lunch. 

 

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:16 | Link to Comment ceilidh_trail
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Shh, the deer makes a great inverse indicator (until it doesn't).

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:24 | Link to Comment eclectic syncretist
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if you're loading up on options for a daytrade you are not an investor, you're a gambler!  Good luck with that.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:52 | Link to Comment kianator
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If he loaded up on call options on the close yesterday, then that was a high probability risk trade.  He has made money.  He's not a gambler but a risk taker using capital he can afford to lose.

Though, pulling off trades like that consistently every week and month is the hard part!  :-)

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 17:10 | Link to Comment TheRideNeverEnds
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Exactly, yesterday was obviously just a liquidation break to shake out the weak hands before we push past 1850 in the next few days.    

 

2000+ in the ES is a given for this year, we affirmed generational lows when we broke, retested and held above the 1500 level last year.  They will never again in human history trade under that level.   

 

In 2016 after Hilary is "elected" you can close your eyes and sell em though, will probably be around 5000 by then and due for a real correction but by then a 50% or so bear market will place the bottom around 2500.

 

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:01 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Then again sometimes Iget the feeling they're taunting us before they pull the rug out knowing full well the average person is not paying attention.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 17:50 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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It means "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's broad/babe".

Mind yer own Ps and Qs.* 

* Pints & Quarts

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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That photo reminds me of the old "Clydesdale Rating" for women..

 

Which is:  How many Clydesdales does it take to get her off your face in the morning!

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:54 | Link to Comment youngman
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Its like the slave chained in the belly of the ship...trying to tell the Captain where to go...

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:03 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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I've yet to see an ugly girl at a bar/club at 2:30am...

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:24 | Link to Comment max2205
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Go ugly early...they get taken quick

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:22 | Link to Comment negative rates
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You can always walk the plank.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:43 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Monetary camel toe?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:35 | Link to Comment NihilistZero
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So they're telegraphing the next crash which they'll create through the usual residents of the peanut gallery.  I guess they'll be able to say "Hey we told you..."

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:45 | Link to Comment PTR
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"I plan to cast my votes at FOMC meetings accordingly."

Too bad he'll be the only one.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:47 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Who cares? It's Fisher, and he is to the fed what congress is to Obama. He is the pretend opposition to give the fed the illusion of diverse thought, when in actuality they are all on the same page.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:57 | Link to Comment teolawki
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"It's Fisher, and he is to the fed what congress is to Obama."

I'm guessing that would be an excretory orifice. Am I right?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:03 | Link to Comment halfawake
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indeed, all of this is built on the contrived notion that the federal reserve should even exist.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:47 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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This guy is actually the worst one out of all of these ass clowns. This is the guy sent out there to make you actually think they can unwind this. What a total crock of shit....oh....and amazingly even this guy says we are not in a bubble. What a bunch of horseshit.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:54 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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He was quick to change his hawkish tune once he saw the five year blow up after the Bernank first mentioned the word taper.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:59 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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i heard he and Santelli crashed into each other in the CNBC parking lot that day to see who could get on the air first to sceam the complete opposite of what they had been saying.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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What country is he from ?... Those dual citizens are tough to pin down. 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:57 | Link to Comment The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Taking bets on itsalie.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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can w get some info from Nanaex on how many phony paper contracts of Non-existent Gold and Silver in the last minute of trading in London it took today to take down the phony paper prices of both get them where they r at present????

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:51 | Link to Comment tawse57
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Is there a 3 sentence overview of this article? I have seen Apple T&C shorter than that.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:08 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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Dumb fuck

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:53 | Link to Comment teolawki
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"I want to make clear that I am not among those who think we are presently in a “bubble” mode for stocks or bonds or most other assets."

I am curious as to what the bloody hell he would consider a "bubble".

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 05:51 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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They only define bubbles after they burst. In that way, they can all say "no one saw it coming."

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:55 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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Fisher also warned about US debt and unfunded laibilities on May 28, 2008 and no one paid attention.  Now debt and unfunded liabilities are $44 trillion higher and growing at $8 trillion a year but nobody cares:

Add together the unfunded liabilities from Medicare and Social Security, and it comes to $99.2 trillion over the infinite horizon. Traditional Medicare composes about 69 percent, the new drug benefit roughly 17 percent and Social Security the remaining 14 percent.

Let’s say you and I and Bruce Ericson and every U.S. citizen who is alive today decided to fully address this unfunded liability through lump-sum payments from our own pocketbooks, so that all of us and all future generations could be secure in the knowledge that we and they would receive promised benefits in perpetuity. How much would we have to pay if we split the tab? Again, the math is painful. With a total population of 304 million, from infants to the elderly, the per-person payment to the federal treasury would come to $330,000. This comes to $1.3 million per family of four—over 25 times the average household’s income.

http://www.dallasfed.org/news/speeches/fisher/2008/fs080528.cfm

Today the per-person payment to the federal treasury would come to $460,000.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Rainman
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All Fisher did in 2008 was parrot David Walker's warning from 2006. Nobody paid attention to either of them anyway.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/05/walker-gao-concord-face-cx_rs_1103autofacescan04.html

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:56 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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Re;  Nobody paid attention to either of them anyway.

Debt is just another narcotic.  What's the point of telling an addict about something that feels good?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Fiat Burner
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How the hell do these fucks still have perceived credibility?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:54 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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If the stock market keeps going up their credibility with those who matter goes up.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 14:59 | Link to Comment pupdog1
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"QE puts beer goggles on investors"

I had no friggin' clue what this Fed quote meant until I saw the visual aid provided by the Tylers. Thank you.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:47 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Unfortunately the self entitled women of 'Merika much the size of the woman in the background think they look like the one in the glass.  Now they wonder why the men of America are on strike.

http://www.amazon.com/Men-Strike-Boycotting-Marriage-Fatherhood/dp/15940...

EDIT:  Sorry to the fattie out there I've offended.  Now go drown your sorrows in another bucket of extra crispy.  I forgot to add: and a diet Coke!

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:07 | Link to Comment teolawki
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Not enough beer in the universe to make Janet look "alluring".

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:13 | Link to Comment DOGGONE
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See the USA track record BIG change since QE began:
http://www.showrealhist.com/RHandRD.html

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Hedgetard55
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This shitbird cannot admit the criminal nature of the FED.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:29 | Link to Comment yogibear
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There is already enough noise without Fisher.

Fisher has become the Federal Reserve's joker. More entertainment for QEen Yellen, Evans, Dudley and Rosengren. They probably laugh at the Fisher's babbling. 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:32 | Link to Comment ThisIsBob
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He thinks "investors" are doing this?  The effin Federal Reserve is doing this.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:33 | Link to Comment Final Authority
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So, are they planning to crash it now that they have told the muppets to beware? Everybody knows muppets are slow learners....

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:46 | Link to Comment akarc
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It means that goldman is ready to buy with their hands and both yours too.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:35 | Link to Comment Stuck on Zero
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First one to exit wins.

 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:38 | Link to Comment apes hit
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To be (what appears to be) a contrarian here, I continue to appreciate Richard Fisher's comments and thought both the article and his analogies spot on.

I'm just reminded of a quote about the circus: "If there are twelve clowns in a ring, you can jump in the middle and start reciting Shakespeare, but to the audience, you'll just be the thirteenth clown."

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:43 | Link to Comment dirty dolphin
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You can drink em pretty, but you can't drink em thin!

 

-Charles Barkley 

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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You are in a hole that is in the bottom of a much larger canyon sized hole.  Standing under the feet of the madly digging collectivist "giants" who came before you, you are blind to the real issues.  I suggest you pull a rock over your small hole.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:48 | Link to Comment dojufitz
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The man who invents eye glasses that makes all women look like this will make alot of money.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:52 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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Go long Google (glasses).

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 15:50 | Link to Comment NOTaREALmerican
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Well,  Greenspan did say that the Fed eliminated the business cycle.   I'd say the Ben has eliminted the bad news cycle.     If there's no bad news who in their right mind would sell?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:12 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Hmmmmmm, beer.

Where do I buy?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:16 | Link to Comment thismarketisrigged
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i really want  a fucking crash, but geez, if today did not teach us anything, i dont know what will.

 

yesterday we had our 1st real down day in a long time, and what do you know, today, all the nasdaq losses r wiped away and then some, s&p should recover basically all its losses, the yen has reached the 104.20 level again just like that indicating the nikkei will prob be up like 4 percent, and the dow , although not likely to recover all its losses from yesterday, has recovered more than half.

 

then when u consider that a stock like google has not had a down day pretty much since its earnings a few months ago, fuckbook and twitshit continue to go up on nothing but bullshit, this thing as we all know is totally controlled.

 

they will not let it go down more than a percent or 2 they have shown.

 

i hope it crashes 90 percent, but these fuckers will not let it happen.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 16:41 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Goldman has been buying all day in the Chicago pits... after getting the Muppets to sell yesterday.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 17:04 | Link to Comment citizens divided
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Within the Committee discussion Fisher is consistently paid little or no attention to.  At best he plays the role of useful idiot.  There needs to be an aspect or show of dissent or opposition.  The 1% have "the Fish" put in place for just such a purpose. Don't be fooled... it's onward and upward for our corporatocracy driven markets. 

The argument should be (as we all know) that the Fed is captured by Wall Street. Heck, that is in plain view for years! So is the Treasury. So is the entire Administration of Obama, and that of Bush, Jr, and that of Clinton. We’ve got the best Government that Wall Street’s money could buy. Much agreement here.  They all work for Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan  and Citi and Bank of America and AIG, and so on. Or, in Timmy Geithner’s case, for Warburg Pincus. (Literally).    They’ve got the Supreme Court pocketed too. The first order of business when a new President is elected is to choose which Wall Street firm gets to run Treasury (usually it is Goldman Sachs, which also gets to run many of the treasuries in Europe and around the world).  Remind me, does the distribution of Fish stench always start at the head?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Bunga Bunga
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Correction warning, then It will go up, up, up.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 19:06 | Link to Comment John Law Lives
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"...adding that while he is "not among those who think we are presently in a 'bubble' mode for stocks or bonds;..."

Translation: He (and other Fed members) know the pumping of stock markets is one of the few tangible "benefits" of QE, and they lack the conviction to utter the phrase, "irrational exuberence", or the word, "bubble", and watch their pet "market" decline.

FedFUBAR.

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:16 | Link to Comment hairball48
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And this guy is a policy  hawk? Please!!

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 20:19 | Link to Comment hairball48
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Does the word "hubris" come to anyone else's mind when they read the shit these people write?

Tue, 01/14/2014 - 22:27 | Link to Comment Clowns on Acid
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"Were a stock market correction to ensue while I have the vote, I would not flinch from supporting continued reductions in the size of our asset purchases as long as the real economy is growing, cyclical unemployment is declining and demand-driven deflation remains a small tail risk"

Fisher is an ass and a sock puppet - Oh yeh he would still vote for taper in a market correction IF ..... economy is great, unemployment down and no deflation...Excellent you feckin poseur - Why would market go DOWN when economic activity (corporate profits)  and inflation are up?

What a piece of alternative crap this Arsehole is... and Dick Fisher is a Hawk ? Hey, do you have any gum on you Dick ? 

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