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Catholic Diocese Of Stockton Files Bankruptcy; Priest Sexual-Abuse Scandal Blamed
Between lack of cash flows, insurmountable liabilities, an untenable pension funding, even insider fraud, we thought we had seen all the various reasons for filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. And then along came the Catholic Diocese of Stockton which announced that it would join its host city and seek bankruptcy protection "in the wake of the church's sexual-abuse scandal." As WSJ reported, Bishop Stephen E. Blaire said in a news release Monday that the diocese would seek bankruptcy protection Wednesday, explaining that reorganization was the only option for dealing with mounting legal costs related to abuse by priests. The bishop said the diocese has spent $14 million in legal settlements and judgments over the past 20 years dealing with abuse allegations, and doesn't have funds available to settle pending lawsuits or address future allegations. The punchline: "Very simply, we are in this situation because of those priests in our diocese who perpetrated grave, evil acts of child sexual abuse."
In the Stockton diocesan bankruptcy, the parties will likely agree on a figure that the diocese would pay, in addition to potentially pulling in funds from insurers. However, the diocese says it holds "relatively little property and assets." Other holdings, including schools, parishes and several parcels of land, are incorporated separately.
And so the Stockton Catholics became the 10th US Diocese after Milwaukee; San Diego; Spokane, Wash.; Davenport, Iowa; Portland, Ore.; Tucson, Ariz.; Fairbanks, Alaska; Wilmington, Del.; and Gallup, N.M. to file bankruptcy. In addition, the Christian Brothers Institute, which operates Catholic schools and orphanages, also filed because of sexual abuse liabilities.
The Chapter 11 filing would halt pending litigation against the diocese and likely would ultimately allow it to discharge liabilities stemming from sexual-abuse allegations by setting up a trust to compensate victims. The diocese said it hopes to arrive at a resolution with victims and insurers through the process.
Joelle Casteix, western regional director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, called the bankruptcy "problematic on a lot of different levels," noting that it would let the diocese avoid future civil cases.
However, while the local catholics' financial woes may be put on temporary hold, their civil troubles are only starting:
Separately, a grand jury Monday indicted a former priest with the diocese, Michael Eugene Kelly, and a warrant for his arrest has been issued. Calaveras County authorities are seeking Mr. Kelly's extradition from Ireland to face charges of three counts of lewd and lascivious conduct on a child, and one count of oral copulation with a child. Mr. Kelly faces 14 years in prison if convicted.
Not surprisingly, the Catholic church which itself is embroiled in numerous financial scandals recently, was unable to come to the Diocese's rescue even though it has already paid out an estimated $2.2 billion to cover settlements, therapy for victims, support for offenders, attorney fees and other costs, according to a report by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
And with this filing, we are fairly confident we have seen every possible bankruptcy filing reason.
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Fuckin altar boys don't know when to shut up, dammit!
Who knew sodomy lead to bankruptcy!
Buttsecks,
It's bad for business.
Lets pray, god will help for sure
Behold, The Beast who drinks the blood of the saints. The Whore of Babylon.
The Marxist-homosexualists infiltration of the Catholic Church got rolling in the 1950s-- maybe even as early as the thirties or forties. They really had a field day in the 1960s after the Vatican 2 "reforms". And a decade later we started seeing these homosexual pederasty scandals break.
Note that it is ALWAYS homosexual child abuse-- NEVER directed at girls, ALWAYS at boys. The statistics lead us to the obvious conclusion that the Church has been thoroughly penetrated (sorry bad pun) by homosexuals.
In the exact same time frame we have seen the rise of "liberation theology" (which is communism with a thin coat of paint over it) in the Church, culminating in the ascension of Pope Francis, who by his actions and words is clearly supportive of liberation theology.
The church gets rightly criticized for being slow to react, but in fairness, to paraphrase Monty Python, "NOBODY expects the Homosexualist infiltration!" It is simply impossible to spiritually reconcile homosexuality with being a priest; no sane person could hold these two opposing concepts in their mind, much less function. And of course, as the homosexuals advanced in the priesthood, their perverted desires got the best of them, and they began to reveal themselves. Now put yourself in the shoes of the legitimate, non-marxist/homosexualist clergy; they must have naturally thought these were random, unconnected incidences at first. then as the trend developed, they must have thought: how can this be actually happening? Like being trapped into a bizarre game of whack-a-mole, the legitimate clergy must have reacted to this situation first with bewilderment, then shame, and finally, horror as they chased down one homosexual scandal after another before ultimately connecting the dots.
Pope Paul VI knew something had gone wrong back in the sixties when he said that "the smoke of Satan has penetrated the Vatican" but obviously he had only identified the smoke, and not the fire; otherwise he would logically have said so. Now the full horror is complete and the church is in a terrible state. The homosexuals are finally being routed out, but the Marxists are now in power and have successfully hid themselves behind the homosexual smokescreen.
Jesus foresaw that Satan would attack the church, and he has.
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Matthew 16:18
Right on.
It's amazing that the mainstream media and even Zero Hedge portray these priests as 'child molesters' when in fact they are about 99% homosexual pederasts who almost always target young boys. But to point that out would bring up some nasty follow on questions about homosexuality and the many perversions it causes. Something like 40-60% of serial killers are homosexuals too.
I'm sure the powers that be will conduct a study on that...yeah right. The gay lobby are out of control, power hungry and incredilbly media-savvy too so won't hold my breath for that one.
Where better to be in the closet than in the Church? The RCC set this up with their insane insistence on celebacy in the priesthood. Compounded by their equally nutty denial of respect and equality to those who are born with a homosexual nature.
About those serial killers... you probably only remember two. John Wayne Gacey and Jeffrey Dahmer, and because they are so infamous wrongly infer that they are the majority. Most cases involve heterosexual men who go after girls, or worse those whose sexuality is warpped in some way and simply go after women, usually prostitutes. Or ones like Dennis Rader, the BTK killer.
I suggest that you get a grip on your own latent desires and stop projecting.
Craig
nearly all lobbys are utterly out of control. and this includes the gay lobby, imho (though I could not care less if they marry or not, let them)
but yes, here the definition of "child" and "young boy" and "kid" is terribly vague, in the same way as in most of the first world. for the ancient Romans, age of consent was 13 for boys and 12 for girls, btw
at age 11, I seriously considered all kinds of sexual acts. though success had to wait for a while
I call bullshit on your "40-60% of serial killers are homosexuals", though. and it's btw utterly irrelevant. how many serial killers are there, in a population of 100'000? zero point zero zero zero....?
U can call bullshit all you want on it, but it's true from what I've read. Of course, the mainstream media are loathe to breach the topic because they don't want to 'offend' gays and they damn sure would hear about it from the Gay Lobby. Not sure about ths source but read on and see how many of the most prominent serial killers were gay (Dahmer, Cunanan, etc.).
http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html
"Many of the most famous serial killers (e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan, John Wayne Gacy, etc.) were homosexuals, but they became widely known due to the nature of their crimes or the identities of their victims, not because they in any way represent serial killers generally."
Note the PC qualifier at the end of the paragraph above. I mean, we can NEVER tread down the line of thought that so much as even starts to explore whether homosexuals tend to be psychotic killers much more than 'normal' heterosexuals (and make no mistake, heterosexuality is for all intents and purposes, normal). I mean my gosh, that might insult someone!
>>>>NEVER directed at girls
While their preference appears to be boys, girls have also been targets.
you're grasping at straws...it's almost always been gay pedophile priests abusing boys, very seldom girls. To say otherwise and point out a few women victims is bending the truth and just a PC thought process really.
I'm sure the ratio of boys to girls was skewed.
It's a birth thang, dontcha know?
PC my ass you moron.
nice resorting to name calling you are quite the debater Willy
It's not always a 'birth thing' ....u just heard that on CNN and/or MTV and are parroting it bc it sounds good and makes you feel better to think that way. But there are also situations where it can be forces/learned on people if they are in a certain environment. Like in prison, or if you're unlucky enough to have been one of Alan Ginsburg's acolytes, etc.
It is NEVER a birth thing. The gay lobby would love you to believe that, but there is absolutely no credible evidence whatsoever that homosexuality is genetically transmitted. It is 100% behavioral.
The best they can do is cite that old "but but but look some animals exhibit homosexual behavior, so that means it must be natural". Which is stupid because THEY ARE ANIMALS not humans. What some obviously deranged animal happens to do is a laughably low bar for human behavior.
Look, the ratio of male-female abuse is 4-1. I'll give you that. But to say it's PC is to marginalize what has happened to little girls. Is that any LESS devastating to ANY child? I really don't give a rat's ass about the gender. Abuse of kids is just that. Preying on the vulnerable & those that cannot defend themselves.
I guess looking thru your homosexual lens denies the fact that a pedophile can be a switch hitter. I'd bet your pov would be different if it were your daughter.
Makes me feel better? I still think you're a moron.
Willy - You are making ZERO sense and trolling. Stop obfuscating and morally equivocating by referenceing a few little girls who were thrown in the mix of an overwhelmingly young boy victim pool. All your other points are complete chaff that don't really have any impact and the facts. Just man up and realize Buckaroo's got a very valid point - namely, that the vast majority of the perpetrators were abusive, perverse HOMOSEXUAL priests who preyed on young boys. And the mainstream media bend over backwards to obfuscate and ignore that simple fact.
And stop with the victimology and feel-good BS - we get that 24-7 on CNN, the BBC and every other mainstream media outlet that tries to force XYZ victim group down our throats every day.
I never thought I would see people on this site debating the semantics of child molestation. You motherfuckers make me sick. And quit tryng to make this about faggots. Everyone is at least a little gay. If you can't come to terms with that, then you're the one with pyschological problems. I'd say I'm about a quarter gay. I wouldnt mind fucking/being fucked by a really good looking dude. I can appreciate the sexuality of masculinity. i tell my wife as much when we watch porn together. That is totally different than gettng off on little boys. So keep telling yourself whatever you need to square being a fucking pervert enabler, it doesnt change realty.
>>>>>Stop obfuscating and morally equivocating by referenceing a few little girls who were thrown in the mix of an overwhelmingly young boy victim pool.
20% is insignificant, right?
>>>>And stop with the victimology
You make about as much sense to me JM.
They are all victims, not just the boys.
20% sounds really high Willy I doubt that's a correct figure. Even if it were 20% that's still a huge percentage of boys. So stop with the blue pill, politically correct mangina attitude. "And the "it's all about the children how dare you sir" attitude is pretty lame we're all adults here and don't need any more 'moral shaming' either.
TOUCHE on the Ginsberg reference. That dude was off the charts vile!!
That Frontline documentary most likely identified a pedophilia abuse ranch for rich perverts. Those were rampant in remote places (mostly Canada) in the early and mid-20th century.
Right now the place to go is Mexico if you are rich, politically connected, and want to sexually abuse children. They have abuse ranches down there that the filth in Washington DC like to patronize on weekends.
The overwhelming amount of cases have been homosexual in nature. Considering that homosexual activity is limited to 2 or 3% of the population, one would expect that only 2 or 3% of the church child abuse cases would be homosexual. Instead it is much closer to 100%.
Homosexuals in general are statistically MUCH more prone to abusing children than heterosexuals. IIRC, in the general population, about half of the sexual abuse cases are men abusing boys. Again, statistically, one might expect that to be 3%, not 50%. But even by that standard, you would then expect 50% of the church abuse cases to be against girls. And yet virtually ALL the cases are against boys. This tells you just how badly the church has been subverted by homosexuals.
This did not happen by accident.
Homosexuality is a grave, grave perversion with tragic consequences, especially for children.
That's a very good assessment Buckaroo. You beat me to it and saved me the trouble. When we look beyond the superficial as you have done, we can see that the Church is a victim in all of this as well. Most folks are unaware of the conspiracy perpatrated against the Church that you have shown. A way to understand this would be to research 'Antonio Gramsci' or 'Bella Dodd' and you will find that this was an inside job, a real conspiracy. A good read is "Goodbye, Good Men" by Michael Rose to discover exactly how it was pulled off. Tragic. I think that skeptics will still attack the Church with this but a question I frequently pose to critics of the Church as an institution is "Is it fair to judge an institution by those individuals in it who behave contrary to it's tenets?"
My prayers go out to all the victims, escpecially those young ones who were so horribly treated by those whom they trusted.
I'd like to expand more on the subject, but I will go with also recommending "Goodbye, Good Men."
People love to say that the Church needs to change more to attract people in the modern world. I think that the horrible effects of Vatican II demonstrste just the opposite.
Unfortunately, there is more than a little evidence that Pope Paul VI may have been playing for the other team.
Agree, it is not exactly clear whose side Paul VI was on.
There are a lot of weird conspiracy theories about that Pope. There is photographic evidence that suggests he may have secretly died in office and was replaced by a lookalike imposter.
Obviously. In fact, I have it on good authority that this is exactly the same "face dancer" who is now impersonating Obama.
and the neverending story goes on......
Brother, may I gve you a heartfelt "Amen!"?
Buckaroo, guess I never thought about it from the 'legitimate' priests' side. Oh that's right, because I'm not an enabler of faggot pedophiles. If you seriosuly still attend a Catholic church you should impale yourself hari kari style through the ass. You deserve it.
charming
"Very simply, we are in this situation because of those priests in our diocese who perpetrated grave, evil acts of child sexual abuse." what about all of the other priest who looked the other way? these fakers are nothing more than bureaucrats in dark robes...
It makes the Atheists look a lot better now!
Naw it, just shows hypocrites for what they are. Many atheists are still happy to call the infanticide/genocide of abortion, "birth control"
Abortion has a cultural-biological basis.
agree on cultural, but where do you see the biological basis?
Tree branches - nature's coat hangers.
When the act of reproduction was trumped by survival.
For women, defective newborns were killed by the mother. For men, infants of lower ranking males' were expendable relative to the higher males' offspring.
Those who didn't do such things were at a reproductive disadvantage, hence they were bred out.
Is English your primary language?
Infantiside is the killing of infants, not zygots or fetus.
Genocide is the targeted killing of a race or nationality, not zygots or fetus.
Abortion is really the only word appropriate for the killing of a zygot or fetus. Throwing in other words does not reinforce your argument.
Putting quotes around "birth control" is misleading. Abortion certainly does control birth, so is literally a form birth control, as are condoms etc.
Do you believe your own muddled English?
"Abortion certainly does control birth"
Yeah, most of the time. But then we're discovering that a lot of "abortions" take place after birth, and in some the baby is delivered except for the head, and then the "doctor" stabs the baby at the base of the skull with scissors, inserts a catheter and sucks the brain out so the skull collapses, and voilá, an infanticide is transformed into a dead fetus.
There's muddled English, and then there's muddled thinking.
Let me ask you, were you to carry a fetus after confirming death in utero, would you prefer to carry to term or abort?
That procedure is, or should be, only done at a time when, due to circumstances at the moment of delivery the child cannot be delivered alive, and the only way to save the mother's life is to do so. Any doctor who performs this act in any other circumstances should be rightly tried and convicted of murder.
Think about it. Babies are born head first. I have been with my wife for four deliveries - I know about this. When the baby is born feet first, and the head obviously cannot be delivered (large head, small passageway) there is no alternative. Sorry to burst your bubble - and this is why any abortion law must have a provision to preserve the life of the mother.
I am given to understand that there are abortion methods that are used in late term abortions that, basically, kill the fetus in utero. These should be uinversally condemned by anyone of good conscience.
If the Republicans who try to con the Christian churches with their platitudes about abortion would draft carefully they could enact reasonable laws controlling abortion that would satisfy Roe v Wade. They refuse because they know that if they do not conform with Roe, the law will be held unconstitutional, and they can they use that as a battle cry against the "Godless liberals." They are dispicable hypocrites and should be run out of office, if only there were better to be found.
But that is another rant, for another day.
Craig
in the US many births are done via C-section due to our overly litigious medical malpractice laws. Generally if there is ANY chance of a botched birth and/or the childs feet coming out first they do a C-section. So all your points above don't seem to really be valid at the end of the day at least in the US...they typically take no chances and perform a C-section. I know this bc my sister's had 3, and it's a BIG issue in the US. So I'm not sure what your point is exactly but maybe I'm missing something?
Also, I don't think 'Republicans are dispicable hypocrites' on the abortion issue...both sides are equally guilty, but the pro-abortion side are particularly awful for allowing third trimester abortions to be most prevalent in the USA. I say this as someone who generally supports abortion rights up through the 2nd trimester. Both sides play games, but third trimester abortions are terrible.
"Abortion certainly does control birth"
So would gunning down pregnant females. I think you're missing the point here.
Some atheists also believe that when human life begins, abortion rights should end. And, that there is a problem with where life begins. Clearly the presence of dna is not the criteria. The only place I can get anyone to agree on as the starting point of life is by analogy to brain death, and that is the time of brain life beginning, which is somewhere near the beginning of second trimester.
Interestingly, Roe vs. Wade got that one right, but with no clear explanation and hence no clear guidance.
Personally, I am opposed to abortion, and to the death penalty, and both for the reason that purposefully taking a life (other than your own - please have at it!) must be wrong... I don't really think anyone should need a Bible, Koran, Torah or any other religious text to figure that out. It should be a part of being human.
Just a thought.
Craig
Can an athiest make a rock so tiny they don't think it's there?
Gee, I thought Father O'Brien was just being 'friendly' ... mmmm.
Oh yeah, and lets not forget the nice Vicar who has been especially 'kind' to all the female parishioners....mmmm.
Atheists have always looked good, regardless of the snake-oil salesmen selling their Invisible Products.
Note the telling metaphors used by Jesus himself and his Church: Sheep, Flock, Shepherds, and Fish and Fishermen. So much for a "loving" deity. More like a carte-blanche to do with the "flocking sheep" as they deem fit: Lead & Control, Milk, Shear and Slaughter.
This shit -- and worse -- has been going on for centuries, not decades. Note that these 'cocksuckers' (figurative and literally) also looked the other way and kept silent during the Nazi atrocities -- where a high fraction of perpetrators were 'Catholic' themselves. E.g. Hitler, and all the SS animals from Austria, Bavaria, Slovenia, Croatia.
"WHEN GOOD PEOPLE REMAIN PASSIVE & SILENT, EVIL PROSPERS"
Sue them. Sue them ALL, sue them into oblivion!
BTW, you don't need to join any "organized" (market-share-seeking) religion to give your life Purpose or Meaning, or to have a viable code of Morality & Ethics. But, if you're the sort who prefers to have your spiritual products pre-fabricated and pre-packaged, so you won't have to struggle with the cruelties, difficulties and ironies of life, then you will have to pay the Club Fees and live by the Club Rules of those who've done that work for you.
'They' are tainting and perverting the system to distant people from God and our soul. So, its true and sort of understandable that Atheism has gained popularity over the last couple of decades as people become deceived that 'we are just animals' and its ok to 'do thou wilt shall be the whole of the law'
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imo, they want to ease the transition and bring in their new age/old pagan luciferian ONE WORLD ideology...and then you will see what perversions and filth is all about.
The grand misconception, perpetrated on purpose by the same people that brought you organized religion, is the concept of "our god(s) or no god(s)."
surfing is one my favorite religions
Ah. Don't be confusing religion with way of life, my friend. Skateboarding, surfing, playing musical instruments, drawing, painting, sculpting - these are ways of life. As soon as money or currency is involved, these things become religion.
point taken wise one
So, you're saying that playing guitar for a band that gets paid is a religion? Methinks yer Engrish is imprecise!
Hmmm,what would the victims of Madelyne Murray O'Hare have to say about that? Remember she was found dismembered in a 55 gallon drum in the middle of Texas and they never found her assailant.
they still trash those who accuse. shameful. i stopped giving money to this operation years ago. it's all about money. and power.
God is all powerful, all knowing, all seeing. But can't seem to work out money. Just can't handle money.
a late friend of mine used this sentence often. but he added: "... another proof that it's a She"
So let me get this straight...the church can use the nation's bankruptcy laws to shield itself from litigation against sexually abusing young children while continuing to enjoy its tax-exempt status. That's some fucked up shit right there!
we live in the greatest nation God ever created and the politicians eagerly help him
"America, America" - "God shed his light on thee"
worse than looking the other way is managing it from Rome, moving the pedophiles around to avoid detection and silence protest. I've referred some cases to firms and know one working on some now. The Archdiocese incorporation may have just as much to do with immunizing the bigger system and shielding liability from the big house than anything else. But there is no way this problem could have ballooned to 100s of victims without Rome's "aiding and abetting."
There is that distinct possibility. It's one of the many reasons why I think organised religions have had their day in the 21st century. Knowledge is power, but I don't know about anyone else, this is one of those occasions when I would prefer never to have known anything about such utterly vomit inducing acts. There just does not seem to be any respite from the sick fucks that assault, murder, and steal in every sector of humanity, no sanctuary from their depravity, not a single nanosecond in our existence when evil acts are not being committed against the innocent somewhere. I weep for humanity, and almost think I don't belong amongst such disgusting species.
Why would anyone in their right mind knowingly keep paedophiles in positions of trust? How could they not have screened them out? What is the purpose of espousing decency and honesty when such crimes are covered up institutionally? - These aren't revelatory criticisms in retrospect, but basic elementary reasoning that should have been asked decades ago when it emerged. As someone who calls himself a catholic, it's beyond my comprehension that they were not tackled and rigorously prosecuted for their crimes.
As a side note, I think it's revealing that in a society where money is deified, even the penalty for sins is measured in money.
I think you're forgetting about Islam)))
"Why would anyone in their right mind knowingly keep paedophiles in positions of trust? How could they not have screened them out? What is the purpose of espousing decency and honesty when such crimes are covered up institutionally? - These aren't revelatory criticisms in retrospect, but basic elementary reasoning that should have been asked decades ago when it emerged."
This is an excellent point, and reveals the fundamental problem. Homosexualists have so infested the church that there is now a global network of them, and they look out for each other. What most people don't realize about the Church is just how decentralized it really is in its implementation. Once homosexuals get control of an archdiocese, the potential for coverups increases dramatically, and it is difficult for Rome to grasp exactly where the homosexuals have their nexuses of control.
These sick people knew what they were doing. There are just shocking stories of rampant homosexual behavior in seminaries and dioceses where homosexuals got control. Sickening.
Here kiddy kiddy! here kiddy kiddy!
Jezus wants to play a little pointy pointy game!
Here kiddy kiddy!...
Have a seat kid....we'll talk about the first thing that pops up!!!
lol.....brainwashed imbeciles.
Pope Francis said "who am I to judge" (homosexuals)? He told the International youth convention to go back to their diocese and "make a mess".
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http://henrymakow.com/2013/11/the-1958-RC-takeover.html
http://henrymakow.com/2013/09/the-final-implosion-of-the-cat.html
Their is a reason why a 4,000+ year old Egyptian Obelisk sits erected smack in the middle of St. Peter's Square...
Stop that! You are committing a hate crime unless you make the same point with every other religion! Pun not intended! Statement meant to support the current precendents of the Warren, burgher and other courts that plague us!
WHAT HAPPENS IN CHURCH.... also happens in Vegas...
One day, a Catholic priest was listening to confession when he suddenly felt the oncoming roar of explosive diarrhea. In his haste to not shit himself he asked the altar boy to cover for him. The altar boy exclaimed that there was no way he could listen to confession because he didn't know the penance for each sin. The priest informed him that there was a handbook on the bench with a listing of all the sins and their respective number of "Hail Marys" and "Our Fathers".
So the first sinner comes in and admits to having sodomized his wife. The altar boy grabs the handbook and starts looking through the index. No listing for sodomy. Hmmm...
So he sticks his head out the door and sees another altar boy and yells, "Hey Timmy, what do these guys normally give for sodomy?"
Timmy shouts back, "A Coke and a candy bar!"
I will now give some curry to The Pope for I am tired of his supposed holiness treading mankind to dirt.
The Pope is a lie. He is a lie a thousand times over. He makes a good shyster look like a piker, and, his supposed holiness and his veneration of a god invented by the Jews is due savage ridicule, jeering and abuse. I’m not talking dammed, doggoned, dratted, and darned, I’m talking about cursing the largess of Catholicism which is so full of shit I don’t know how it gets buy on one anus.
How do you like that?
Actually, the Roman Catholic Church has been morally bankrupt for quite some time. While it appears to be healing iin this regard, it is filing bankruptcy against its past sins. Francis should consider solving both problems in the manner presented in the old movie, The Shoes of the Fisherman - sell all church property to compensate its victims and hold mass in people's homes. God would be there.
The church is just like government, they fuck you hard and you're not supposed to complain or struggle.
Not so much now, but for hundreds of years religion and government were symbiotic. Religion justified the divine right of kings and the kings allowed religion to exist.
Hahaha, there's a reason they called it the "Dark ages".
They also call it the "age of faith".
Yep and as I like to say "Faith is given, trust is earned". I ran out of faith long ago.
A local god helped define the ingroup and outgroup.
Still does.
I somewhat disagree. religion in it's early history was more of an inter-group affair, smoothing relations between genetically non-related groups
That is certainly true when a ruler controlled more than one settlement.
I don't think it was likely before that.
Look up Cavour and Sarpi
Religion justified the divine right of kings and the kings allowed religion to exist...
This is kinda true but it seemed to work best for the citizenry when the tasks of rights / coronation were asked to be granted by one of the other rather than fanatically imposing through the threat / use of the sword, the authority of one over the other.
I find it interesting, that though he was a deist, Thomas Jefferson attempted to purchase the University of Geneva with its Calvinistic foundational tenets, philosophy and programs in full bloom in order to transplant it wholly to the US because he recognized the vast difference in the industry, work ethic and freedom of the citizenry in comparison to other countries where Catholicism had been allowed to enslave the populace. He wasn’t successful, but the trend to separate state from church with an emphasis on free education for the masses owes more to Calvin than most anyone dares to admit.
Jmo.
Hang them next to the bankers on the lampposts!
The Church, being a corporation is the ultimate irony. Doing "God's work" pounding alter boys taking their 501c3 exemption seems hypocritical to me. Now the church can hide behind the skirt of chapter 11? I see the church like I see branch banking. I'd say sue HQ.
"And with this filing, we are fairly confident we have seen every possible bankruptcy filing reason." Nope, there's more surprises out there (hint: priests n animalz, etc etc)
Sex prices have inflated since the good ol days like everything else.
We need more GUILT!
GUILT=$$$$
Teh lord taketh.
Yeah but apparently some of the staff giveth it to you hard in the ass.
Church of God seeking government protection.
There is so much to be said about this.
God is in the FED's corner, he has their flag displayed in all of his houses.
Exactly. Might be time to ask a simple question; "What has happened to the priests who committed the acts of sexual abuse?" Are they destitute in prison? If not, then I think there is at least one mechanism to raise more funds...
moral hazard is a bitch...
I ask the same question of our government officials every day! A vast number of them should be in prison.
Some of Europe handled it better. The locals would go to the parish, demand they turn over the local pedophile or else.
Its unfortunate the government did not protect the countless victims of sexual abuse from the degenerate catholic priesthood. Prison is too good for those inhuman cowards.
Vote up! 6
Vote down! 0
"Its unfortunate the government did not protect the countless victims of sexual abuse from the degenerate HOMOSEXUAL catholic priesthood. Prison is too good for those inhuman cowards."
there I fixed your paragraph
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks..."
Hamlet, act III, scene II
Suggest you remove the beam from your eye and move ahead.
Craig
I should add that, IMO, by 'blaming' it all on homosexuals you are fending off guilt on the part of the Church. If there is one reform the RCC should enact it is ending the sham of celebacy. It is not even universally enforced within the Church - witness the Armenian Rite where married priests are permitted, and within the Roman Church.
Craig
It is fine to "blame" it on the Church, but not the individuals who actually did it? Twisted logic=fail. It is interesting that this is mostly a US publicised problem that seems to have become common in the 60's. The same time as the Vietnam war> a way out of the draft and lefties/homos infiltrating most of our institutions; religion, mass media, schools, etc...
>>>>Prison is too good for those inhuman cowards.
Actually, sheiding them from the general population is too good for them.
put your $ in the collection plate bitchez. it's for a good cause.
KY aint cheap kids!
Here's a good alternative:
http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO
You'll want the desensitizing one. It makes acceptance of the inevitable easier for both church and government violation.
http://www.amazon.com/Cleanstream-Relax-Desensitizing-Anal-17-5oz/dp/B00...
Why can I not stop laughing?
How many of those reviews are yours? : )
Zero, I seem to prefer it hard and dry from government. No one else need apply, as government won't be denied. Most would define it as rape.
EDIT: As least you got a laugh out of it. I tried to find the large size. You REALLY want to laugh, read these Amazon reviews. I challenge anyone not to chuckle at them.
http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Gummy-Candy-Sugarless-5-Pound/product-revie...
CK, I have never laughed harder in my life.
I thought I was reading Sedaris.
Thank you!
Jackson Pollack Masterpiece. ROFLMAO!!!!!
Thanks Willy! With all that's happening, sometimes it's just good to have a laugh. Glad I could oblige.
In the old day... sick pervs joined the church and rapped everything that was evil in the bible...
now they work in a bank...
St Thomas A'Becket died trying to protect the Church from submitting to the King's courts - was his martydom in vain?
Time for Rome to sell some of those slums and spread the wealth.
<Sorry, was that my out loud voice?>
Who are we to judge...........
let those who don't rape children, cast the first stone...
http://irational.org/heath/stone_age_hunting/thumb/railway_ballast_stone...
Didn't think I needed the '/sarc off' tag.
nowadays when you see a priest crossing the street you feel like driving him over with your car...
actually...
any of those fuckers who call themselves priests in any religion are evil and sick bastards. Look at the muslims and jews... they should all be thrown off a cliff.
That was the good part about Communisme, a total ban on religions.
Sick shit.
"......any of those fuckers who call themselves priests in any religion are evil and sick bastards."
I assume you are including the Ponzi priests in your blanket condemnation.
Hmm, Actually I just pulled out "The Stealing of America" by John W. Whitehead. 1983. No specific reason. Pretty spooky how accurate the foreward actually is. It is clear that from what I have read thus far that it is extremely religious. I will keep reading for a while but I already know that there will be no mention of central banking despite the complaints regarding too much government.
What will define us is our persistent mention of central banks and central banking policies. I know that I can look at my KM catalogs but they do not always provide context.
money and oil are worshiped more than anything else
Not an OK thread if related to Jews though.
http://www.zerohedge.com/help/notice-racism
For the record, I don't like Catholics either... or anyone else who believes in fantasy land.
Maybe the Vatican shouldn't have just shuffled their pedofiles around and instead had them prosecuted to the fullest under the law. Eventually they'd realize there's a cost to fucking little boys in the ass. Sick fucks!
A-fucking-MEN
Probably the reason we finish with Amen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amenhotep_I
Edit: Thanks for the downvote, now justify it.
http://rcg.org/questions/p028.a.html
King Amenhotep's empire predates the birth of Christ by 1500 years. Seem the Hebrews wish to take credit for its origin but I believe the Egyptian empire predates the Hewbrew language. "In July 2008 Israeli archaeologist Yossi Garfinkel discovered a ceramic shard at Khirbet Qeiyafa which he claimed may be the earliest Hebrew writing yet discovered, dating around 3000 years ago." That would put the earliest evidence of the langage around 1000 BC.
Justification for down votes is your post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
See: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/homonym
Well you just keep your post hoc off my ergo propter hoc and we'll get along just fine. Perv!
How do you get a nun pregnant? Dress her up as an alter boy.............
It's called The Great Whore for a reason.
I never understand the people who's kids got molested. If it was my kid I would go on a seven-state killing spree taking out every priest that I found. That shit is pervasive throughout the priesthood. If they dont do it themselves they protect those who do.
Strange he?
I wouldn't even call the cops.
I'd just go over. Be friendly. WHACK'M WITH A BASEBALLBAT BUT NOT TO MUCH, PLASTICWRAP'M, GO TO THE FOREST..;
let him wake up... DIG A HOLE, PUT HIM IN IT, PUT A PLASTIC TUBE IN HIS MOUTH SO HE CAN BREATHE AND FILL UP THE HOLE AND JUST FUCKING LEAVE!
and nobody would know a thing...
Jeezz... I wonder where that nice priest went to... haven't seen him in a while...
You have been watchin Dexter!!! (me too....im in the 3rd season...good shit!)
To Dick, Sudden and Orange,
Which is worse, murder or rape? Justice does not allow the punishment to exceed the crime. If it did, the persuit of justice would be the most criminal.
I do not consider the killing of a child molester to be murder. More like entertainment.
What is this "Justice" you speak of?
I'll save you some time and misery. Season 4 is great, season 5 is optional, season 6 is must skip TV, season 7 makes a VERY strong comeback, and they throw season 8 right back in the toilet (makes season 6 seem worthy of an Oscar).
The Catholic Church, LLC. Just try to sue us bitchez.
another catholic church "vaseline-gate"
Several demons have commented on this thread.
Where is Linda Blair?
Can I get an Amen, Brother?
wait....it's all the jew's fault! right!
But wait, what about plausible deniability?
See this on point youtube music video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6lRvVy_sfc
Say your prayers...BITCH!
Are the individual diocese considered as seperate financial institutions from the main church in Rome ? or wheverever registered for financial purposes.
Do they not already receive financial support or are to some degree financially supported by the Vatican Bank ? How does this relate to filing bankruptcy in the USA and the "mother" church and bank ?
Is a "diocese" technically, for financial purposes, a franchise ?
Excuse me if this is in the body of the article posted, or within the text of links therein, i have not read the whole yet but wished to post the question while was still in mind.
We need someone like the guy cleaning up the Madoff stuff to go through their records and 'reclaim" those assets they have hidden elsewhere.
your questions are pointing to the right direction. every catholic diocese is a separate entity, usually with a bishop at it's head, and often with a whole group/council that - depending from the constitution - has a lot of say about the economic/financial affairs of the diocese. and so you find vastly different dioceses all around the world
this goes all back to the original dioceses, which were administrative provinces of the Roman Empire
support is even more complicated, but in general it's the "better-off" dioceses support the Vatican. and the Vatican Bank is a small affair, with a staff of 110
Yes. In the USA each diocese is a seperate corporation. If this article is correct, at least some of them also incorporate individual properties.
For some perspective, $2.2 bln could buy 5641 priests a $250 hooker once a week for 30 years.
Yeah but they'd have to fly all those ladyboys in from Thailand.
There are adult male prostitutes. This points to the real problem of repressed sexuality and a society that condems homosexuality. The combination drove many homosexual men into the clergy where they would be safe from persecution. Their suppressed sexuality led them to take it out on the only partners available, the children. Unintended consequences of social engineering.
Can't agree. Homosexuality has been ""repressed"" since Sodom and Gomorrah, and for good reason. Wasn't a problem in the Church for nearly 2,000 years. No, the Church allowed itself to be infiltrated, but those homosexuals that came in couldn't control themselves.