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Wednesday Humor: Iran Has "Incontrovertible Proof" That US Is Run By Aliens

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While some will not be surprised, Al Arabiya reports that Iran's FARS News Agency claimed in a recent report that:

"The United States' domestic and international policy has been driven by an 'alien/extraterrestrial intelligence agenda' since 1945."

The "incontrovertible proof" supporting the revelations was (apparently) found in a Federal Security Service (FSB) report, carried out by American computer specialist Edward Snowden - and is confirmed (somewhat amazingly) by former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer in the following interview.



Very impressive to see Sophie (the interviewer) keep a straight face - whether you believe the man or not...



As a gentle reminder, this chap was in charge of Canadian military in the 60s!


Via Al Arabiya:



Snowden reportedly contacted the Guardian’s columnist Glenn Greenwald telling him, according to Fars, that there “were actually two governments in the United States, the one that was elected, and the other, secret regime, governing in the dark.”


The agency added that Snowden’s revelations were confirmed as “accurate” by former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer, during an appearance he made on Russia Today’s program SophieCo.


Hellyer said: “This information is top secret in a way that the governments aren't talking about it, but if you listen to whistleblowers and the people are had worked in the industry and who know what is going on, there is just a lot of information out there and it doesn't take very long to get your hands on it.


He said 80 percent of UFO reports analyzed by the Canadian defense ministry during his time in office were not real, but “there were 15 or 20 percent for which there was no explanation and there genuinely unidentified flying objects.”


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Wed, 01/15/2014 - 19:37 | 4335747 john39
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stupid propaganda for the sheeple.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 19:40 | 4335773 TruthInSunshine
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The U.S. Is run by dual-citizens.

Dumb Iranians.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 19:43 | 4335794 john39
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that I agree with... and these people do have their own cult/religion...   but my propaganda statement was about the nazi story being attributed to Iran.  classic disinfo to make Iran look bad.  Iran, of all countries, knows exactly what little fascist war mongering state in the ME controls the United States government... and though they ironically act like Nazis, they are nothing of the sort.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 19:52 | 4335835 ACP
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They prefer to be called "undocumented extraterrestrials".

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:02 | 4335869 HelluvaEngineer
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OK.  I'm about to be destroyed here, but many Christians believe that aliens and UFOs are in fact demons, and were mentioned in parts of the old testament that were not canonized.  Reference the Book of Enoch.  Ok, that's it.  Now you can think I'm insane. 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:04 | 4335883 old naughty
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non-Christians too...

just saying.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:11 | 4335911 TeamDepends
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Look at Barry, checking out "his" ass.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:20 | 4335949 Manthong
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It's those ears..

they are really dish antennas.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:40 | 4336024 LetThemEatRand
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I can't believe the Tylers (the "new" Tylers?) did not think to mention that Snowden did not say the country is run by aliens.  Saying the elected government is a front for a secret government is hardly crazy.  Of course if I were the CIA, I would go ahead and put out a news story that Snowden says the U.S. is run by aliens in order to make the entire concept of a shadow government sound absurd.  Hopefully this story will be developed further and not end with "Wednesday humor."  Surely the original Tylers would have done so.  And I would add that the new Tylers are not aliens.  Just not the original.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:48 | 4336045 JPM Hater001
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Um, remember yesterday when I said this whole collapse thing was a distraction from the real game?

Here: 4332345

Oh, and Remeber, RT stnds for Russia Today.  A fully funded organization of the Russian Government.

Stephen Greer was on back on the 10th.  His thing is called "The Disclosure Project."

Is Alien Technology Here? | Interview Dr. Steven Greer of the Disclosure Project      the Leggy Lister did the interview.

You should know who Stephen Basset is too:

I thought ZH was about cutting through the propaganda...not joining and making fun of it...or are they...


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:52 | 4336072 jbvtme
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barry's shapeshifting alien handler at a press conference. pretty creepy.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:00 | 4336101 tmosley
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Well DUH, everyone knows Barry is a resident alien.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:25 | 4336180 Jack Napier
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The laws of physics are no different in our solar system than they are throughout the cosmos.

Considering how young our civiliazation is it would be a statistical anomaly if the environment that lead to the creation of life on our planet did not occur elsewhere, and would also be a statistical anomaly if it did not occur elsewhere long before we were here. It is unrealistic to think that if there were others out there that they would not find our radio signals with precise coordinates of our planet in relation to a cosmological map of the pulsars which each have their own unique signature.

As a firm believer in Jesus Christ I will be the first to say that science and religion need not be at odds with each other. It is the psyop program that wishes to turn people away from our creator and keep us from realizing that they have no power over us, because we have already won victory over death.

Anyone who truly understands the science of DNA and switch genes will realize that it is a programming language, and that we are a product of intelligent design. Any other beings in the universe are a product of the same, and by no means should be worshipped as greater than us.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:26 | 4336194 90's Child
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'The laws of physics are no different in our solar system than they are throughout the cosmos. Considering how young our civiliazation is it would be a statistical anomaly if the environment that lead to the creation of life on our planet did not occur elsewhere, and would also be a statistical anomaly if it did not occur elsewhere long before we were here. It is unrealistic to think that if there were others out there that they would not find our radio signals with precise coordinates of our planet in relation to a cosmological map of the pulsars which each have their own unique signature.'


+1, believe that to the T.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:30 | 4336211 Richard Chesler
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The wookie should've been a hint.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:37 | 4336221 clymer
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all the proof you should want

it seems supremely arrogant to assume that earth is the only place that life exists?

You know what Donnie Rumsfeld said about known unknowns..

of course a hoax wrapped in a lie called project bluebeam will keep the charade going for another 100 years

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:43 | 4336244 ZerOhead
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Better keep the squirrels away from Mr. Hellyer...

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:21 | 4336397 NoDebt
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Whether it's aliens or humans running things, they've still lost control either way.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:42 | 4336488 Boris Alatovkrap
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Russia Today is show best news! Always deep probe and voluptuous anchor woman.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:11 | 4336599 Four chan
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and the sec has never confirmed the existance of corruption.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:34 | 4336673 acetinker
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You still have the best avatar.  There's that to consider.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:52 | 4336895 The Gooch
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We are all here to mine gold for the Annu Khakis.

You are not your fuckin' Khakis.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 06:25 | 4337204 CoonT
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If you like your gold, you can keep your gold!

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:05 | 4337513 kralizec
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If you like your illegal aliens in office...

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:43 | 4336248 HelluvaEngineer
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Good stuff.  I will drop this here in relation to my previous post. 


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4336279 JPM Hater001
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I get it now.  The engineer part is a joke.  Engineers usually rely on hard data, at least the ones I know anyway.  More than enough data.  This bullshit is what they throw out there the create your doubt.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:56 | 4336299 ACP
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Interesting that a joke article has produced one of the most interesting chains in a while.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:36 | 4336458 LetThemEatRand
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What's key to me about this article is that the new Tylers didn't get the joke.  

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:13 | 4336604 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Wednesday humor? I think that outlines a joke LTER. 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:35 | 4336631 LetThemEatRand
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The article juxtaposes the senile Canadian with the Snowden story, leaving the impression that the "humor" is Snowden's non-existent statement that America is run by aliens.  You'd have to delve through three layers of irony to see the humor as being that the CIA planted the story.  The original Tylers would not have created this misimpression or required mental gymnastics to see the humor.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:24 | 4336649 ACP
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Possible, but what I miss is that there are no more inter-thread Tyler comments.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:36 | 4336684 LetThemEatRand
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I'm guessing original Tyler would jump in on one of these and tell me to fuck off.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:32 | 4336846 Skateboarder
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Still ZH is the best watering hole in town, but should things go south, the solution lies in our own hands. What do you think of a community-driven news site, spun off by ZH authors and contributors? Ad-free, spy-free. I'll write it for you, if we want to use it. No Javascript. Just basic HTML and CSS.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:01 | 4336916 LetThemEatRand
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I'd love it and I would certainly contribute in my free time, such as it is.   I wish I had time/money to do more.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:03 | 4336922 The Gooch
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His name was Tyler Durden.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:08 | 4336928 LetThemEatRand
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His name was Tyler Durden.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:22 | 4336938 LetThemEatRand
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I need to call it a night but if you're serious I'll be around.  I'm guessing a bunch of others here would jump on board and your biggest problem would be sifting through the BS.  If you have the technical means, I'll bet you'd have content if you have time to sift.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:39 | 4336969 Skateboarder
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I am out also. The idea is up for reals. I don't have time to participate in research or sifting. I would merely play facilitator of technology. The design is not difficult, and the scalability portion I would have to learn about. I wouldn't mind making the site and giving it to responsible hands like HH, Cog, WB, GW, and gang. I'm busy as fuck with work but I think this site needs to be made at some point pretty soon. I'm not versed in making web pages scale and fit to every browser on every OS and shit, but I can make something simple that is likely to show up corect on most setups. If other ZHers want to participate in a truly community-driven website, a github project can be created and people can work on a website once a plan and architecture are devised. Many ways to go about this. I'm just stirring up a pot.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:47 | 4336982 The_Prisoner
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 JOYFUL pointed to debasement of Zero Hedge a few months ago and suggested exactly that. That was before he was banned to the salt mines.


Thu, 01/16/2014 - 03:59 | 4337116 Yenbot
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Fill it with ads and pay us. Bitcoins, gold, whatever. But don't hire Oh Deskers from Bakyardistan to do a real in-house paid shill's work. Capitalism!

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:59 | 4336313 HelluvaEngineer
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I'm smart enough to realize that I don't know everything.  Apparently you do.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:14 | 4336349 Keyser
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Silly humans, of course there are aliens. They are your ancestors. 


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:14 | 4336607 acetinker
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Only the ones we know about.  The ones who came after us, we'll never know.  It's just a ride.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:22 | 4336822 Central Bankster
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You've seen the movie Prometheus right?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:04 | 4336332 wisehiney
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Are wookies from the deep jungle or outer space?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:30 | 4336212 Yes We Can. But...
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Phone home.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:37 | 4336231 Yes We Can. But...
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Vote:> Earth has been visited by alien life forms.

Vote:> Earth has never been visited by alien life forms.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:13 | 4336606 Tijuana Donkey Show
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Illegal or space aliens?

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 06:35 | 4337211 CoonT
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One question: Assuming the creation of the universe at the "Big Bang" and time blah blah blah (should have read "Idiots guide to a History of Time"), that would mean that all life had the same "start time." So, given the nature of..well, mother nature; why would any other civilization, be any more advanced than our own?

I up-voted you, but I'm still not convinced that any other life forms out there would have managed to acheive so much more than we humans, given that we all started the race at the same time..

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 08:29 | 4337307 Ranger4564
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You've heard of "conditions conducive to life" yeah? Just because the big bang blah blah blah happened doesn't mean that the environment was there to support life. There may have been molecules /  microbes being scattered around but they could not thrive in some locations and could thrive in other locations. The Earth was molten for a long long time before it cooled enough to allow life to exist. Life may have tried to start / land / whatever, but it was not possible until the first microbes took hold.


Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:53 | 4336897 gwar5
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Urine idiot.  It's been proven multiple times, and by notable atheists with Nobel Prizes that life did not spontaneously create itself on Earth -- "2nd law of thermodynamics cannot be overcome without external intervention."


I believe the universe is full of life and there is nothing that says it can't be extradimensional either. 96% of the universe is invisible to us. 




Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:53 | 4336899 gwar5
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Urine idiot.  It's been proven multiple times, and by notable atheists with Nobel Prizes that life did not spontaneously create itself on Earth -- "2nd law of thermodynamics cannot be overcome without external intervention."


I believe the universe is full of life and there is nothing that says it can't be extradimensional either. 96% of the universe is invisible to us. 




Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4336283 donsluck
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Intelligent design is not required as evolution accounts for all life. If it is not required and is, in fact, a more complicated explanation, then I would reject it. Also, evolution offers much more potential for research then intelligent design.

A humans' eye nerves pass directly through the focal point of the lense. This forces us to compensate by using the brain to fill in the blanks. Not intelligent design, but instead the result of how the eye evolved. There are so many arguments against intelligent design that it becomes pointless to persue.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:41 | 4336701 NeedtoSecede
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I don't claim to have all the answers, but I do know there are a couple HUGE gaps that no current version of evolutionary science can explain. For example, evolution has no viable explanation for something as fundamental to life as  DNA. No current version of evolution can explain a big incconsistency in the fossil record called the Cambrian Explosion. 

Before you trash me, I do believe evolution does occur, and I am much more skeptical of religion than I am of science and rational thought. I am just saying we don't know shit and evolution does not provide all the answers. For skeptics, of religion and "popular" science, I would suggest you check out a book titled "Signature in the Cell" by Stephen Meyer.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 07:28 | 4336902 Drifter
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"Intelligent design is not required as evolution accounts for all life"

"It evolved" is no more scientific than "it was created".   Neither have been proven scientifically, i.e. by reproducing the phenomenon in the lab, what used to be science, but has been supplanted by blind faith in unproven theories (textbook definition of religion).

So evolution is a religion just like creationism is a religion.

Evolutionists's main argument is "only an uneducated ignorant fool wouldn't believe in evolution".  That's not a scientific statement.  It's a religous statement.

There was a time when educated people said "only an uneducated ignorant fool would believe the earth revolves around the sun".  There are many similar historical statements by supposedly "educated" people that have been disproven scientifically, when the tools of science advanced far enough.

It's equally foolish to say "ET's don't exist because I haven't seen one."   It's putting your beliefs above everything else, always a foolish thing to do.

People put lots of ego-value in their beliefs.  They hate challenges to their beliefs because it hurts their ego, even when the challenge has scientific basis. 

Bottom line, people put their ego above facts and science.  A foolish thing to do.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 06:38 | 4337214 CoonT
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If we humans truly are "evolved" (and given how many cool kinds of eyes are out there), then why do we have such $hitty ones? I just know I don't to work

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:10 | 4336355 SF beatnik
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"It is unrealistic to think that if there were others out there that they would not find our radio signals..."


No, realistic....


First terestrial radio signals, 1900 -   114 years ago.


There aren't that many stars within 114 light years' distance.


From them we would have detected alien transmissions, if there were any... that is, if the aliens hadn't died out hundreds or perhaps millions of years ago.


Maybe alien civilizations exterminate themselves when they reach a certain level of techno advancement... rather as we earthlings are about to do.


Maybe also, as in Clarke's story "The Sentinel", neighboring civilizations will know it's time to harvest human flesh when when our radio signals finally reach them.




Thu, 01/16/2014 - 05:28 | 4337178 Parrotile
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Well, that's still over 16,000 stars ( ), which is quite a comfortable number.

What if they "did" reply, and we simply missed the signal because we were not looking in the "right" direction? SETI has only been going since 1960 (and the capabilities in those days were pretty feeble). Whilst things have improved greatly from 1980 onwards, that's still just 30 years, and we haven't covered more than a small fraction of the observable celestial sphere, so it's a bit soon to be calling the search futile.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:45 | 4336496 chemystical
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with all due respect, we have an infinitessimally small understanding of the physical "laws" at any place or time remote from our own tiny corner.  We struggle to explain some paradoxical phenomena ieven n our own corner. 

What we do excel at is placing a hubris-plated template over everything everywhere and at all times.  Theories are like assholes.  Worse, some of our best and brightest give thmselves the intellectual luury of having more than one.  They too like hedge.

To a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:57 | 4336306 williambanzai7
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Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:06 | 4336331 disabledvet
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i can't believe the rest of the world isn't with Iran and that other dude here. They even have a soundtrack now! they're MOCKING us! and some jerk knocked off Pluto so we're down to 8 Planets now. UNBELIEVABLE.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:42 | 4336462 Youri Carma
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ROFL, you did it again LOlz

Aliens: “More Human Than Human is our motto, Bernanke is our experiment, notin' more…”

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:06 | 4336581 LetThemEatRand
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WB7.  When I get back to having plentiful excess disposable income (which I hope is soon), some of your art will be my first purchase.  Please tell Max Keiser not to sell his site too!

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:59 | 4336097 JPM Hater001
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And what Snowden is doing is called "A Limited Hangout"'s a CIA term and well documented.

The citizens hearing, in case you missed it (I was glued) involved 6 former members of Congress hearing testimony from 40 highly credible witnesses.  Dolan's presentation was by far one of the best.  The 5 Congressmen/women and 1 senator were frankly shaken by the end.

Richard Dolan 2013 - The UFO Coverup Conspiracy - Citizens Hearing on Disclosure

For those of you who are Libertarian, and members of the Libertarian Party, the Chair of the Platform Committee was the moderator.

You know how you look at your friend and your like, "Wake the Fuck up Man there's a collapse coming."

And now I'm all like, "Wake the Fuck up Man there's a Disclosure Coming."

My Odds are on the Olympics...  


Black helicopters in 5

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:01 | 4336109 JPM Hater001
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One last thing.  For you Christians out there waiting for "The End of Time..."  Um, yeah.

Our understanding of time is about to end...not so much time itself...which is an illusion. 

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:15 | 4336152 booboo
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^^^another non christian "xspurt" telling christians what they believe, durkadurka.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:18 | 4336166 JPM Hater001
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I've taught Sunday School you moron.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:24 | 4336191 booboo
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oooh, the sunday school teachers a xspurt moron. I have never been to sunday school, did you teach the children about the "three wisemen"? Or did you teach them about the men from the east that brought three gifts and  just assumed there must be three then like the rest of christiandumb?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:32 | 4336214 JPM Hater001
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Actually in the last bible study I was in I argued free will and butthole men like you who likely used it to keep women out of our religious understanding...epecially the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.  She said sin was a man made creation...Cant have religion without being able to tell people what they can't excuse me while I take a hit.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4336281 booboo
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Bwaahahahaha, you are too much man, if you had to "argue free will" then you are is in deeper shit then one could imagine. But to your statement about my butthole self and women. If you dared to open a bible then you may find out that women pulled Israels ars out of the fire on many occations and proved that the christian God is no respecter of persons and you would not have to "argue" about it. The virgin hillary is running for president next time around and you can prove yourself by giving her your support, now go away or I shall taunt you some "moar".


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:15 | 4336595 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Fuck, I'm confused, I honestly can't tell which side either of you are arguing for. That it is one hilarious exhange. Anyway, whichever one of you is the christian please turn the other cheek so I can bitch slap you. 

Still fascinated why people are obsessed with holy books. In a purely scientific study of natural history this is a truly fascinating aspect of the development of the human brain. Of course one has to take into account that this is of course a reasonably recent event in the context of deeper history but I wonder if in centuries to come (if we are still here) there will be holy electronic devices.

Every time there are these infernal references to gods and jesus and bible this and bible that I immediately think of a 50 year old, middle to low income, slightly overweight, high school educated American citizen from, oh, say Mississippi or South Carolina. Yes, I know, some of you nuts are university educated but the aforementioned stereotype accounts for the meaty part of the curve is my bet.

I'm waiting for the day there are no references to the invisible skyman that talks inside peoples heads and no quotes from the bible that strangely only ever seem to be the positive ones. Confirmation bias anyone?

Come on christians, at least give us hard done by atheists some fun and at least if you are going to quote the bible pull out some about cutting babies hearts out or scolding the flesh from non believers. Mix it up a bit will you.  

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:42 | 4336668 LetThemEatRand
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Hatred for religion is itself a religion.

How about just admitting that we humans don't begin to understand.  Religion may be an ant's interpretation of why a mound is destroyed by pestisides or a dog's view of why his owners forgot to feed him, but the explanation of the ant or dog (even if utterly wrong, which is how you view religion) doesn't mean there isn't something beyond our understanding other than chaos.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:06 | 4336924 BringOnTheAsteroid
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In absolute and equal measure doesn't mean there is either.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:13 | 4336933 LetThemEatRand
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The bottom line is that we don't know.  

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 06:42 | 4337216 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Absolutely agree.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 08:52 | 4337319 Ranger4564
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I'm honestly surprised you said that.

Nice try, but fail. The problem is not that religion / believers create myths to explain the misunderstood / unknown. It's that they stop looking for any further explanation and cling to the myth as if it is the only necessary explanation. There in lies the contention. People who claim to be rational / reasoned might accept a myth temporarily, but ultimately, they continue to seek out a more tenable / more encompassing explanation. It's called Science right now, and although Science often tends to religiosity with their constant claims to having found the final answer - the end of Science kind of meme - it's the best process we currently have for temporarily accepting certain observations while pursuing the investigation.

I believe a lot of religion was actually psychology, so instead of waiting for salvation, do something to save yourself, and in turn, the rest of civilization. I can look at any religion and describe how various bits of doctrine are actually explanations of how one should evolve in spirit in this life. Reincarnation, the heaven / hell concept, life after death, limbo, they're all mental states. You can surrender to the trap, or you can grow past and learn to live a more enlightened life.

Whatever... I can see there's always more work to do here.

By the way, I believe there could be aliens. They might have come to earth before, might be earthlings time traveling, might be nazis from the future, who knows. But I can readily accept the presence or nonpresence of aliens should that be proven. I can also accept the presence / nonpresence of GOD, should that be proven. I just don't need to explain anything in my world relying on Faith. I know Science is wrong about many things in our universe, but I believe religion is waiting for science to find more answers.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:29 | 4337598 Random
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...keep women out of our religious understanding...epecially the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.  She said sin was a man made creation..."


Are you for real?! How can good and evil (sin if you like) be a man made creation? Based on what? The end game of humanism is moral relativism. Considering that everything man-made is ever-changing how can you explain the natural law?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:57 | 4336545 BringOnTheAsteroid
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I think you could insult a christian better by calling them a mormon.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:54 | 4336735 Tall Tom
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I think that you can insult the atheist best by writing that they choose to be members of the Animal Kingdom so they can BUTTFUCK their own children, as the chimpanzees do, without any remorse.


Go read Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil"...Promote your abandonment of all Moral Behavior. Even Ayn Rand ascribed to her mentor, Nietzsche. Morality does not serve the atheist well. So they abandon it.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:39 | 4336860 Borrow Owl
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"Morality does not serve the atheist well. So they abandon it."

Now that statement demonstrates a level of ignorance so profound it practically makes my hair hurt.

A irrational belief in an invisible magic sky tyrant is in no way a prerequisite for understanding the difference between right and wrong.

In light of the many atrocities committed in the name of religion throughout human history, it would seem that religion is actually a hindrance

to understanding and/or practicing moral behaviour.


Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:21 | 4336941 willwork4food
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I just KNEW this post would get into a religious fight club post. It's kind of funny that fundamentalist Christians largely ignor real 911 evidence and proudly send their kids off to war to fight for "freedom & peace' when freedom & peace are not anywhere to be seen. One reason I stopped going to church. Just because most Hagee centered fundies don't have the capacity to discern truth, except from some trite readings in biblical text during Christmas, doesn't mean Christ didn't really come to earth... for us.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 03:53 | 4337113 Tall Tom
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Really? Fundamentalist Christians ignore 911??? LMAO.


Ever watched the movie, "The Harbinger"??? As I am a member of Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth you must be out of your rabid assed mind.


Christians do not support unjustified wars. Last I chexked, according to the "Official Story", there were no UIraqis or Afghanis on any of those aircraft on 911.


Just because Hagee does not know how to discren truth does not mean that there is no God.


It means...that Hagee is full of shit.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 09:19 | 4337369 Borrow Owl
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"Christians do not support unjustified wars."

Hmmm.. Afghanistan..Irag..Viet Nam..War On Terror...War On Drugs..etc,, etc., etc.

Hey! I know- let's blame it on the Pastafarians. Yeahhhh... that's the ticket.


Thu, 01/16/2014 - 11:13 | 4337770 willwork4food
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@Tall Tom I live in one of the largest military concentration cities in the world with baptist/catholic churches on every corner. I went to church regularily with my wife until the war drums to invade Iraq started and serious questions about 911 were being ignored.

You can laugh your ass off all day long dickhead, most "christians" got a get-out-of-jail-free card and don't bother with silly details.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 04:50 | 4337161 Tall Tom
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So you have not read Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil"?


Then you are audacious enough to declare that I am ignorant???


Best get with the program, pal. You are not being an educated atheist.


Thu, 01/16/2014 - 08:58 | 4337331 Ranger4564
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Psst...Nieztsche and Rand were plants, placed in the literary milieu to propagate a self-absorption, to facilitate the destruction of social cohesion, division of labor through division of society and family, to facilitate a more brutal form of economics. All to defend / profess / elevate Capitalism and the amoral behaviors necessary. 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 09:03 | 4337339 Borrow Owl
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In other words, you can't support your asinine assertion so you'll just wave the Nietzsche flag in the hope that it will prove to be an effective distraction.

How predictable.





Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:46 | 4337668 Random
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If you only have man as a reference YOU CANNOT DEFINE RIGHT AND WRONG (good and evil if you want! On what base do you consider MURDER to be either good or bad?! I can give you a shitload of examples of civilizations that regarded MURDER as a good thing. Even today people are split between calling MURDER a bad or good thing depending on the context so what the fuck are you talking about when you say that you can define RIGHT and WRONG?


Also, the most heinous crimes in the history of the world were in the name of HUMANISM, you fucking monkey! Examples: French Revolution, First World War, the Bolshevik revolution (and the following 70 years in Russia, Eastern Europe, Latin America and Africa), Second World War, China's Cultural Revolution etc etc etc etc. The total number of deaths caused in the name of humanism is at least a few times greater than the number of deaths caused by religion (and i am not FOR RELIGION at all) from the beginning of history to this day. So again, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!!!!!


/spelling and shit

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:09 | 4336930 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Mmmm, bad reference to BUTT FUCKING TT. Last I was aware an awful lot of BUTT FUCKING was taking place inside the Catholic clergy.

Problem is mother fucker, it wasn't consensual, it was the rape of inncocent children.  

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 04:27 | 4337132 Tall Tom
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Why should that bother YOU...unless you were one of those BUTTFUCKED??? If there is no God then one must abandon the concepts of Good and Evil. That is the rational conclusion.


You ought to read Nietzsche's "Beyond Good and Evil" and fulfill your destiny. What Nietzsche writes is logically and rationally consistent...if the premise that, "There is no God", is a valid premise.


What you do not understand is that I have studied the atheistic, hedonistic, humanistic viewpoint in depth...


The atheist has no rational position to "Moralize".


During the aftermath of World War Two, during the War Crime trials, when someone who was charged with a war crime produced EVIDENCE that the Allied Forces engaged in the same reprehensible behavior that it was a VALID DEFENSE and the proceeding were dropped. The accused was exonerated and walked free. There was no immorality or sanction toward the inhumane behavior.


So, likewise...Chimpanzees do not consent to being BUTTFUCKED by the Alpha Male Chimpanzee of the group. It is ANIMAL BEHAVIOR...quite NATURAL in the Animal Kingdom. If men are just ANIMALS then the behavior is to be expected.


(Actually you can watch the filthy rich PEDERASTS from Scottsdale, Arizona go and PURCHASE Preteen and Teen Aged Boys on the corner of 2nd St and Roosevelt in Phoenix, Arizona. I had the MISFORTUNE of being a witness to that as I was an Engineer Tech on a Construction Crew working for the completion of Interstate 10 Twenty Eight years ago.. The Phoenix PD just turned a Blind Eye.)


You choose the Animal Kingdom when you reject the Kingdom of God. That is YOUR CHOICE...NOT MINE.


That is what I have grown to expect from those whom reject God. It is better that you place a Millstone on your neck and cast yourself into the sea than to harm a Child...according to Jesus.


But you do not believe that...ATHEIST SLIME. You choose ANIMAL BEHAVIOR.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 06:19 | 4337201 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Your statements about morality are vacuous and peurile. You lack self determination and empathy for empathies sake. You may empathise but only to gain credit in the eyes of your leader, you approach your god with your ass raised in the air just like a chimp approaches the alpha male. I empathise with the terrible suffering of animals but cunts like you think animals are not even for consideration. Animals are beneath humans in the eyes of mother fucking christians. Fuck you you arrogant religious fuck. If your god is real why do innocent children suffer horrible crimes, why do innocents of all types suffer unimaginable horror. You are one deluded mother fucker. I can only hope you experience the horror that innocents suffer and then we may reconvene and discuss your conviction in a persnal god.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 11:55 | 4337915 Idisq
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You religious fucks scare me the most...

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 05:40 | 4337182 Parrotile
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The Catholic Diocese of Stockton might have some relevant thoughts on that - along the lines of bankruptcy!! Wonder if The Holy See might help to bail 'em out??

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:39 | 4336234 vie
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controlled opposition, BITCHEZ!

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:54 | 4336062 jbvtme
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dulce, new mexico.  area 51.  phil schneider. charles hall and the tall whites

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 01:01 | 4336613 Rusty Shorts
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Anunnaki -


...or this very informative interview with Jon Gress

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 10:52 | 4337694 Random
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How can you believe in that kind of crap like annunaki, visiting aliens and shit? Do you understand what is the technological level of a civilization able of INTER-STELAR travel? That is all you need to understand to dismiss all these visiting aliens bullshit.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:53 | 4336078 Kirk2NCC1701
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+1 for "...the new Tylers are not aliens.  Just not the original".

I'm guessing they are the "New & Improved" Tylers, seeking to cater to a wider audience.  ;-)

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:00 | 4336318 DaddyO
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Sorry guys, it's stories like this that have attracted the wider audience and dumbed down the whole discussion...

The new site name should be ZH/TMZ where real news gets lost.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:12 | 4336366 LetThemEatRand
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I for one am truly sad about it.  I spent the last few days trying to find a reasonable alternative but no luck so far.  ZH has been my browser homepage for a long time.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:17 | 4336382 DaddyO
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Agreed, the discussion has evolved into much childishness recently. I have learned so much here from some really smart and insightful people. I'm still lurking and posting occasionally but the tenor of the discussions has fallen to middle school shenanigans at best and many of the posters I used to admire have moved on or become lurkers like myself.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:43 | 4336495 JPM Hater001
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I agree the quality and tenor suck and I quit regular posting last spring. My avatar, however, has never changed and speaks to my long term commitment to studying the subject this post covers if anyone has ever wondered.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:15 | 4336614 BoNeSxxx
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I miss the 'Tyler' who used to work deus ex machina into practically every post...

Ah, the good old days!

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:26 | 4336654 Yes We Can. But...
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I miss Marla and her tunes.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:35 | 4336679 pods
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His name was Francis Sawyer!


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:37 | 4336690 DaddyO
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Free Francis_Sawyer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Talk about stirring the pot, sheeesh, he had a magic wooden spoon that would have made Harry Potter swoon.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:38 | 4336695 LetThemEatRand
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Good example of what's wrong.  I sometimes got into heated arguments with the guy, but his viewpoint did not deserve to be censored.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:25 | 4336653 madtechnician
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Boo Fuckin Hoo - I signed up on ZH because I thought this was a fucking fight club. If you ass hole baby cryers want to cry off back home to your momma's then you better fuck off quick 'cos it sounds like you in in the wrong place a$$holes .... If it aint a fight club then I am in the wrong fucking place ........ Please enlighten me ......

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:44 | 4336680 DaddyO
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Two weeks and 4 days?

You're a day late and a dollar short there bub...

Oh and your obvious attempt to sucker someone is puerile at best!


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:18 | 4336391 FeralSerf
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I wonder how much the old Tylers got for their interest.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:27 | 4336419 DaddyO
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I hope they're set for awhile, hell even cnbs is posting things like this now.

You know the shark has jumped when income redistribution gets a nod from the .gov TV.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:31 | 4336426 LetThemEatRand
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Hopefully a LOT.  They deserve every penny.  What they did is truly unique in combining depth of analysis, contrary viewpoint that did not resort to blind ideology, and entertainment.   Even when I disagreed with the message behind some of the strories, I respected that the message had a valid, thoughtful basis that was articulated in a way that evoked intelligent debate rather than cheering of teams.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:44 | 4336500 DaddyO
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I think we all felt that ZH was a unique place to come and get unvarnished reports on news topics pertinent to finance, economics, stocks, etc. I think there are still great stories here, it's just that the edge is gone and that was the spark that ignited the world class discussions.

Let's hope the new Tylers recognize that the edginess is waning and that Huffpo/TMZ sensationalism has replaced it.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:50 | 4336529 LetThemEatRand
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I have a feeling the new Tylers don't care much about those things, but I'm with you in holding out hope.

What's really missing is the story behind the story.  The original Tylers presented most articles along with commentary that was part opinion/part documented fact.  Often the Tyler analysis would reveal the story as utter bullshit, or at least invite debate about why it may be so.  Now, it's just the story.   

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:55 | 4336543 buckethead
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It has been educational, coming here trying to decipher the more informative posts. They have become more sparse these days, but there is still the occasional gem to be found.

Being but a humble carpenter, I found ZH by happenstance, and found a certain fascination with finance, and it's apparent rise/decline (depending on one's perspective). Is it just click baiting? On can imagine a level of envy and disdain for sites like business insider, which is mostly tripe, and 100% click bait, with far higher page views/revenue. Maybe Tyler's gotta eat too?

At any rate, I haven't found a better site. Been watching twitter feeds more than browsing sites, but the depth of analysis is sorely lacking.

Tyler... well, that was always an illusion anyway, no?


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:01 | 4336568 LetThemEatRand
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There were always multiple Tylers (the guy who started it by all accounts was a former Wall Street guy, but he had help), but I think the occasional gem these days stems from the fact that the new Tylers still draw from some of the same authors.  Still worth a read and here I am posting, but the magic is gone.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:12 | 4336602 DaddyO
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Yep, the hellfire and brimstone has turned into potash and pyrite.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:16 | 4336617 Tijuana Donkey Show
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The original Tyler is MDB, Trav777, and Fonestar. He comes back to haunt the Hedge and stir the pot. 

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 08:37 | 4337313 RSloane
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My guess is they assumed their readers would be intelligent enough to know that. Apparently they were wrong.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:36 | 4336000 unrulian
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aliens extist...i have seen the is conclusive...funny though every tape started in the same way:


a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:58 | 4336096 NumNutt
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I don't know anything about aliens, but Sophie appears to have some nice knobs......

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:59 | 4336312 williambanzai7
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Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:06 | 4335891 Pool Shark
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Hey, ACP:

We can also reduce crime by simply redefining it. Now, burglars will just be called:

"Undocumented House Guests."


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:07 | 4335899 90's Child
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Christians also believe

2,000 years ago a virgin gave birth
A man walked on water & that same man died then was resurrected three days later.....

So you can kinda see why they'd believe in aliens as well.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:12 | 4335918 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Christians also believe

CARTOON Christians also believe -- (there fixed it for you)

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:17 | 4335931 ACP
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Many, if not most, atheists believe that Obama is a great leader and Obamacare works. Who's crazy now?

And I' m not even Christian, BTW.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:32 | 4336439 object_orient
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Then you're an Obama-loving atheist. It's a black and white binary world. I don't do nuance.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:34 | 4336674 stacking12321
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can you cite a source for your statistic?

i'm assuming this is a well documented study that you are citing, and that you didn't just pull this declaration out of your ass.

eagarly waiting your reply.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:48 | 4336716 ACP
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I pulled that statistic right out of Al Gore's ass.

There. Now it's irrefutable.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 20:55 | 4336085 Simplifiedfrisbee
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Written by a 90s child. Now do research about intelligent design theory and read the two scientific journal entries on the subject. One is written in the scientific journal "Nature" titled Golden Ratio Seen in Magnet and the other in "Science Daily" titled Golden Ratio Discovered in Quantum World.

A Creator unequivocally exists and has surrounded us with Love, Life, Information, etc... It is humans who when the ego(also referred to as the false self) disobey their conscious create sin and all that extends from sin is corruptive and oppressive.

Do I believe in Emmanuel the Lamb of God who was slaughtered by the romans on behalf of the Pharisees? YES. The extension of the fallacy in man transcends to all that man does, it is evident we are in need of help from ourselves.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:00 | 4336104 90's Child
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Ha yes

it is evident we are in need of help from ourselves.

haha yes... I believe the FED and governement preach the same thing.

Yet ZH readers don't buy into that.



Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:33 | 4336222 Simplifiedfrisbee
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Deceit is a perversion of the truth. Most ZH readers know the difference and understand very well the government and fed position.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:40 | 4336239 90's Child
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Then please tell me the difference between Christianity and Islam.

Then go on to tell me why one is correct and true and the other isn't.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:10 | 4336356 Milestones
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Blank straight on!! Pray tell, where does truth lay--the loudest voice?                    Milestones

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:16 | 4336380 disabledvet
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here's one thing: "they're closing fast" so I here though. I really did love chemistry as a kid. I missed my calling. Now "it's all metaphysics" and turning lead into gold. Or is it gold into lead?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 23:18 | 4336629 nmewn
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Outside of the fact that Christianity preceded Islam and that Christianity does not teach an alliance between the state & religion like Sharia Law?

Well, there's no difference there that I can

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:13 | 4336800 Tall Tom
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The difference between the Islam and Christianity is Christ.


The Old Testament is about 30% Prophecy about Christ. All prophecy concerning that of Christ was fulfilled...other than the Second Coming which has yet to be fulfilled.


The Koran, on the other hand, is not a volume of prophecy and what little prophecy that there is has yet to be fulfilled.


Islam believes that Jesus was a prophet of God. They deny that Jesus was God Incarnate. That is the basis of where they have gone astray.


As for the Death and subsequent resurrection of Jesus...He appeared to over Four Hundred witnesses.


Let's suppose that Christians are deluded as you may assert.


Isn't it remarkable that one "man's" life could have so much influence upon the History of Human Civilization? Not even Alexander, Genghis Khan, or Napoleon had anywhere close to that much impact. We are still writing about Jesus of Nazareth 2000 years after he walked on Earth.

Thu, 01/16/2014 - 00:48 | 4336881 gwar5
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You're getting more obtuse with every comment. Your arguments are the same ones I had when I was 12 years old. 


Thing is, God and religion are two completely different things. All religions are man made constructs and all are doomed to be flawed and abused by flawed people that attend any particular religion. But that is an indictment of the human condition and the need for God.

We were told. The Old Testament is nothing but a long slog of how the Jews (humans) kept screwing it up, generation after generation, and not even David and Soloman got it right. They even had written instructions and were given multiple chances, and do overs, but their human flaws always got the better of them. Methinks after reading  the Old Testament that one would have to conclude that the Jews were chosen just so they could demonstrate what not to do.


Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. Islam is unique in that they interpret their religion to also be a whole life system and, from there, the fundamentalists interpret Islamic laws and society like totalitarians everywhere. That is how non-muslims get to be interpreted as sub-humans and women are publically stoned to death if they are raped. God didn't say that. 



Thu, 01/16/2014 - 04:35 | 4337150 Simplifiedfrisbee
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"...after reading  the Old Testament that one would have to conclude that the Jews were chosen just so they could demonstrate what not to do."

This is far too advanced for many who have never opened a bible nor opened their heart to God to understand. Regardless, you are wise to make a point of it.

Wether one choses to believe in God or not is irrelevant. Obeying the conscious is key to understanding our human purpose. Once one does so, a profluent understanding of what God is emanates from the human.

The generations who have degenerated the conscious through hedonistic means have created a civilization of disobedient proportions and egotistical fanaticism. Other civilizations existed during the time Christ yet why did the Christened not walk amongst them? The Jews make a good point, a good one indeed.

This is not about religion. Intellectuals move above mechanisms of fallacy and to do so one must acknowledge and contain their ego so to learn more of who they truly are. And yes I do attend a congregation of faithful believers because it humbles me to do so. I am no better than anyone else and that hurts.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:01 | 4336107 nmewn
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Any other religions you'd like to denigrate or you just gonna stick with Christians?

How about a fat buddha sitting on his ass smiling blithely or a some eight armed chick? How bout the 12th Imam popping his head up out of a fucking well to begin the apocalypse? 

Which would be more germane to the article in question, seeing as how its Iran ;-)

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:11 | 4336141 90's Child
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Nmewn the majority of zh readers ain't buddhist, hindu or muslim so it wouldn't make sense to denigrate that religion.

I don't discriminate I think all religion is bullshit.

But sense the the article is Iran I believe it was it was Allah who rode up to heaven on a pegisus.

Very believeable. Or maybe it was aliens...

'Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Quran'

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:13 | 4336148 nmewn
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"Nmewn the majority of zh readers ain't buddhist, hindu or muslim so it wouldn't make sense to denigrate that religion."

So, your point was to offend ZH's readership.

Well done.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:30 | 4336209 90's Child
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So, your point was to offend ZH's readership.

No just question. If I offended then that's just how you conceived it.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:48 | 4336246 nmewn
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You edited your post.


Put a break in it instead of deleting content, it makes you more believable as to your intentions.

Now, what does this mean?

"Nmewn the majority of zh readers ain't buddhist, hindu or muslim so it wouldn't make sense to denigrate that religion."


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:49 | 4336275 90's Child
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I don't edit my posts unless there is an improper sentence fragment and definitly don't to pull balance in my statements after it's past tenths. 

Put the bible down and double check my comments cause I assure you whatever I said is still there.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:03 | 4336330 nmewn
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Again, what does "that religion" mean when we were talking about different religions, customs, ethnicities and even those that believe in multiple deities?

Your brain was being specific son, not like an atheist, it wasn't "those religions" was that religion.

Lemme guess, another former catholic? ;-)

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:14 | 4336370 90's Child
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And I stated before, clearly from my comments I was SINGLING out christianty for the sole purpose of debate because the readers that are religious majority are christian.

And no, never was catholic. Raised Methodist, moved to Utah in my teen years. Saw the difference in between the religions yet it was the 'same god' and decided to 'inform' myself. Instead of being told what I should believe.


Wed, 01/15/2014 - 21:52 | 4336286 90's Child
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I don't know what you're on bout editing post cause whatever I said is still there.

You're right should be "those" relgiions.

ZH readers aren't those religions so it wouldn't make sense for me to argue against them.

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:12 | 4336368 nmewn
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ORI is one of "those religions" and he is always welcome here.

So now I guess you're ready to disprove the Christian God?

Wed, 01/15/2014 - 22:16 | 4336384 90's Child
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So now I guess you're ready to disprove the Christian God?


Christian god?

there is only one god right? so how do you know it's the 'Christian God'.... how bout you go on and disprove the Hindu, Muslim, and every other god that isn't christian and I'll use your same method.

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