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Argentine Stocks Soar As Black-Market Peso Hits Record Low (Implies 40% Devaluation)
Argentina is not Venezuela... yet. Following Maduro's comments yesterday capping Venezuelan profit margins and making black-market FX transactions practically punishable by death (our exaggeration), the Argentine Peso is collapsing...
- *ARGENTINE PESO FALLS 2.9% IN BLACK MARKET TO RECORD 11.55/USD (Spot is 6.77 - implying a 41% devaluation!
Of course, this is great news for stocks and the MERVAL is surging once again towards all-time record highs (+130% from the beginning of 2013). No news on toilet paper shortages (yet) in Argentina.
It seems Latin America has a lot to learn from Japan... and this wont help
and Argentina Bonds are tumbling once again...
Charts: Bloomberg
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What is a good liquid ETF for Argentina that has options? And how many calls can I put you down for?
Don't do ETFs, but Argentinian wine is a great liquid, and the pussy is about to go on a 40% discount. Muchas Gracias.
Cue its a wonderful world in 4,3,2...
This is why stocks are so high in the US....frontrunner collapse of the dollar?
No! Bernanke has just told us today that QE does not bring inflation and is good for the economy!
They need to go back to the toilet paper standard. Pesos backed by a warehouse full of Charmin doublply.
If there isn't one yet, there should be an Asswipe Index.
If ifs and butts were candies and nuts we'de all have a merry christmas
"If ands and butts were candy and nuts"... - John Boehner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fdm9MHXk-Rg
berspanke's dream, minus the wage increases of course
Good news for who?
Devaluation means the peso not only buys 40% less stock, but 40% less for food, clothing and shelter too.
This is the market's way of telling everyone to eat cake.
? devaluation does not solve all problems?
In the minds (sic) of Keynesians and statist central planners (but I repeat myself), yes.
In the real world, are you fucking kidding me?
Bernanke would be proud!
Hows about Buckwheat?
WE'RE ALL GONNA BE RICH!
or maybe not,
but you can pay off your student loans for a silver dollah;)
Silly me, I paid my loans off in 1990 dollars.
This is what burns me, I look back and say, why did I pay off those cars, students loans, and mortages? What a dumbass I was, who knew that irresponsible behavior could be rewarded for so long...
/s
tick tock motherfuckers.
Yeah but with these credit ratings we can just borrow everything.
Yay! Somebody with a currency more worthless than the dollar. So is this a good time to visit Argentina?
We were there in June of 2013
Buying pesos 7.5 per dollar.
Great time great wine
Hotel was fantastic, 84 US with a premium breakfast
I'd go back in a minute. We really had a lovely time
I agree, fantastic country and its such a tragedy things keep going from bad to worse there.
I studied abroad there Feb-Dec 2002 when the peso depegged went from 1:1 to 2:1 to 4:1. As a tourist the best deals are on locally produced goods and services right after a fx jump, before prices rise. First and only time in my life I have felt somewhat rich lol.
Hells yes. Just bring American cash with you. You won't be able to get any once in-country.
Do not pay for anything with your credit card either before or during your trip. Doing so will result in a USD/peso crappy exchange rate of about 6. The only way to get the 11.5/1 exchange is to bring hard cash and exchanget it when in Argentina. So bring plenty!
Correct. This was why I spent so much time in Russia in the 90's. Similar situation.
i always carry 1-5 grams of gold bars to such countries.
They love it and pay premium especially when there is a Swiiss bank written on those tiny bars wrapped up in plastic with a hologram on it.
If in BA, stay at the Savoy. Great hotel in good location.
Built in 1910, very nice, great food.
My next time down that way will he to Santiago then over the hump to Mendoza. I can't say enough good things about our trip.
also why the US stock market will continue to "rise"
so the verdict is in. A soaring stock market = a trashed economy. Welcome to NWO econ 101.
Under currency devalution conditions (which QE is)... that is not new
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It looks like Bitcoin price these days.
I'm sure there is a corralary for the U.S. and our equities ramp and dollar devaluation.
Seems like Stock Markets have a direct correlation to inflation. I think the S&P 500 rise over the last year is close to the actual price of inflation. In other words the FED is not willing to drive the indexes higher than the actual rate of inflation. Also, inflation has a delay of some average time before it shows up in the prices people have to pay for goods and services.
What is the average time span from manipulated stock price rises until Unions ask for equivalent pay hikes?
The prediction of the time until social unrest could be made if we know that average length of time.
Optimist. Please, the Fed will do whatever is best for it's owners.
q99 - an insightful point. The point being that the Fed has painted themselves into a corner and not just a financial / liquidity one but also from a socio-political one. The facsist state LSMedia, the Pope, and other "respected" socio-economic sources are making inequality of incomes the main issue. QE of course being the main driver of unequal incomes/wealth. Maintaining public housing projects in major cities being the other.
Of course this just provides additional fog for the baksters to take advantage of. I think we are seeing the price inflation in rents right now, food prices are rising although hidden in smaller containers etc..... Transportation costs have risen substantially over the past 5 years. Gas prices, toll roads, toll bridges, Amtrak train prices, city subway and bus prices.... all are up at least 50% in the last 5 years. Timing for when inflation becomes "runaway" (not yet hyper)is difficult when the US has the World reserve currency (for now anyway).
The Fed has done a 10B taper to tap down inflationary expectations. The inflationary Expectations is the key to runaway inflation. People buying today and hoarding in expectation of higher prices tomorrow. When that begins.... Yellen's underwear starts smellin' like gefilte fish.
People should see stockmarkets as a stockade where money flees to, and tries to hide from, the licking flames of inflation and currency debasement.
for awhile.
Bullish for Gold in pesos.
Only way for an Murkican to game this crazy world is to travel to countries more poorly managed than the USSA.
Argentina is beautiful - outstanding food, great wine and some of the best looking gash in the Western Hemisphere (mostly Italian and Spanish extraction - mmmhhh and they dress to kill).
5 Stars hotels are cheap and you can pay for trip by having a couple of hand make leather jackets produced there (what cost me a couple 100 would have costs thousands in the States - if you could even find the unique quality).
I've been waitin' for this devaluation. Might be time to head on down again - and this time the girlfriend is staying here.
They are known for their butts....and I know..I live in Colombia....
They are also known to be feckin' insane. I know... I lived in BA for 7 weeks playing rugby some years ago. Touch 'em once and they won't stop hounding you until you ...go to Columbia.
This is great news for me. As an apartment owner in BsAs, my utilities and other expenses just got cheaper as I send down dollars. The bad news is the whole country is about to burn to the ground. Recent power outages lasted weeks. Record temperatures. Recipe for disaster. Argie whore CK (Cristina Kirchner) has subsidised everyone and maintained downward pressure on pricing for nat gas, electricity, water, etc. Those subsidies set to expire as utilities actually require money for much needed upgrades to grid.
Once those subsidies are lifted, the country will be crushed. Imagine watching your energy bill jump from $20 to $100 overnight. That is essentially what is coming down the pike. Price freezes still in place for grocers. Another disaster waiting to happen. Guevaristas, dumb fucks that they are, had no conception of what real socialism looked like until they crossed paths with this silly bitch. Even Nestor had the good sense to avoid some of the traps into which his hapless, botox-inflated bimbo wife has fallen.
+ 1 .
Cristina is an airhead and a menoplasual plastic surgery disaster. But my friends in BA tell me this guy Axel Kicillof is the real kiss of death for the economy and unreformed university short pants commie (not to be confused with Obama...).
Real shame what's going to happen to Argentina, but so much of it is self inflicted for decades.
Wait till pensioners find out what Kicillof did with their looted funds ... 'investing' them into crony companies, shaky bonds of bankrupt provinces run by peronist caudillos, and such.
When the pension checks stop, the smash-and-grab looting starts (as last month's preview in Córdoba demonstrated during the police strike).
Hard to see how the Black Widow can even serve out her term.
They've been paying fucking Grondona for "Fútbol para Todos" (circus and bread!) with pensioners moneys... That's why the ANSES won't comply to the mobile 82% for retirees.
I hear the real reason the cops in Cordoba went out on strike was that they have traditionally supplamented their pay by running protection for the local whorehouses (probably get some freebies from the working girls as well) and when the Govenor called BS on this exercise is when they went all ape shit.
But certainly an accurate glimpse into their future. Self defense forces protecting and running their own neighborhoods.
The spice must flow!
apparently Cristina Kirchner has gone AWOL
she's gone un-public
But, but Ben Bernanke told us that when stocks go up we have a recovery!!!
She needs to start that war....or maybe have an affair...that worked for the Frenchies..
Even with a U$S million cash sitting on the bedside table, and a paper bag over her repulsive face, I would still scream and run ...
Argies won't run out of toilet paper. There are so many peso notes for that purpose...