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The Russia That Putin Does Not Want The West To See - The HIV "Scourge"

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As Vladimir Putin proudly shows off his holiday vacation spot - Sochi - to the world and proclaims it clean, safe, and accepting of homosexuals ("just don't tell the kids"); there is a considerably darker side to Russia that he would very much like the outside world not to know about. As Bloomberg reports, hidden from the outside world and abetted by policies that critics say promote infections rather than curbing them, the HIV scourge plaguing Russia is one that even the poorest countries have begun to subdue. With an estimated 2.4 million users of injected drugs and 1.3 million of Putin's countrymen with the life-threatening virus that causes AIDS; among the top 20 global economies, only India, with a population almost nine times bigger than Russia’s 143 million, has more people living with HIV.



As Bloomberg notes,

At the root of Russia’s woes is an unchecked outbreak among addicts: 21 percent of the world’s HIV-positive injecting-drug users live in the country, compared with 15 percent in the U.S. and 10 percent in China, the UN Office on Drugs and Crime says.


Russia’s surging epidemic runs counter to the global trend. Worldwide, annual HIV infections dropped by almost a third to 2.3 million in 2012 from 2002.




Russia trails in curtailing HIV infections because it forbids or refuses to fund approaches that have worked elsewhere, says Michel Kazatchkine, the UN secretary-general’s special envoy on HIV/AIDS in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.


The country bans methadone, a treatment the World Health Organization recommends to curb heroin use and thus prevent infection from contaminated needles, under a 1998 law that prohibits addictive drugs.




There is a climate of suspicion about everything that comes from the West -- and the U.S. particularly,” Kazatchkine says. “I don’t see much progress coming in Russia unless it changes quite radically. It’s so shocking. The nation’s HIV policies result in death and suffering that could be avoided.”




Instead of funding heroin-substitution and clean-needle programs, Russia is trying to curb HIV with measures designed to fight drug use and addiction.




Pokrovsky, the Russian AIDS center director, disagrees. He says anti-drug efforts don’t stem HIV... efforts to stop heroin abuse in the 2000s prove his point. A government crackdown pushed addicts onto intoxicants such as krokodil, which users inject more frequently than heroin, increasing infection risks. The concoction is based on the pain reliever codeine mixed with gasoline, iodine, acid and phosphorus, according to the New York State Office of Alcoholism and Substance Abuse Services.




Russia has also stymied international aid groups that fight HIV.

Suddenly, everything was wrong,” recalls Cantau, who says the challenge was ideological, not medical. “Everything that the Global Fund had supported was not good; harm reduction didn’t work. We ran into a closed door.


Putin enraged AIDS and gay-rights activists in June when he signed a law that prohibits distributing to minors “propaganda” on homosexuality. While no more than 2 percent of reported HIV cases in Russia originate from gay sex, the law will make it harder to prevent infections among gay men, Pokrovsky says.


As the following graphic images suggest:

The situation is really serious,” Pokrovsky says softly. “We have no effective prevention measures. We can only expect the most negative scenario.”


On the outskirts of Yekaterinburg is a grim illustration of the unchecked consequences of Russia’s AIDS epidemic: a hospital on Kamskaya Street for HIV and TB patients that locals call the Last Way.


It doesn’t have this name for nothing,” says Ivan Zhavoronkov, a consultant with local charity Chance Plus. “Every day, someone dies.”

A drug user prepares a batch of krokodil in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg.

Irina Maptynenko, an HIV-positive drug user in Ukraine, shows a wound from injecting krokodil.

Russian youth watch television in a rehabilitation center in Yekaterinburg called City Without Drugs.

Ruslan Rotar became addicted and infected with HIV in Russia. He fled to Ukraine in 2012 to seek treatment

So, while Putin assures the West that Russia is all fresh pow-pow and snow-bunnies... it appears reality is somewhat different.


Source: Bloomberg


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Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:37 | 4344689 dick cheneys ghost
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I blame the rothschilds for this, but of course I blame them for all the worlds woes......

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:42 | 4344696 InjectTheVenom
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You didn't infect that !

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:44 | 4344702 negative rates
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Has anyone seen the inside of the American economy yet, it's worse.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:17 | 4344760 TBT or not TBT
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Um, the Russian people, culture, and language are not on a mere glide slope to dissappearance, they're in a power dive. The birth rates and life expectancy over the last several decades have written this in stone. They're done except for what muscular antics they can manage to put on. It's a bluff to fake out the rest of the world. They're paranoid in international affairs and have been for centuries. Communism killed them dead decades ago and they ain't comin back.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:36 | 4344797 MeMadMax
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You fail to comprehend the shear SIZE of russia...

A slowdown in birthrates means a pile of crap...

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:47 | 4344826 Say What Again
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That just means more wealth for those that survive.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:34 | 4344923 Gankfest
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More like 1% of the survivors... :P

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 22:21 | 4345121 Anusocracy
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If people make bad choices, they can live - or die - with them.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 22:27 | 4345132 TBT or not TBT
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Dear me madmax, I'm not saying the landmass upon which Russia is located is disappearing. It is indeed big and will persist for many more tens of millions of years. The Russian people on the other hand are disappearing fast, and there's no precedent, in professional demographers' view, for a people in the state the Russians have gotten to surviving. They will be replaced of course, but mostly not ny Russians.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 22:50 | 4345169 El Tuco
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You seem to understand something about Russia, it's rare to see that here on ZH. This is Putin's largest group of cheerleaders.

They are trying to rebuild their population through conquest.  During their invasion of Georgia they were handing out Russian citizenship to anyone who would take it. Now they are trying to do the same in Ukraine.

Russia is disappearing and they know it.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:58 | 4345270 Antifaschistische
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If the Chinese would switch to a "controlled" 2 child policy then it would all be over...they could buy Siberia and Alaska

...."controlled" meaning, the privilege to have a second child goes to families who are healthy and have the propensity to raise an educated child (just like they require for adoption).

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 06:00 | 4345551 NihilistZero
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Since when are Siberia and Alaska for sale?  Last I checked the Chinese have several issues including pollution, a emerging middle class they don't know exactly what to do with, and said middle class could never replace the demand for their exports if the west is diminished.  And their economic might is built on IOUs from the US.  On top of that their foreign holdings in the US would become null and void the minute their was any type of armed conflict (see the Executive Order).  As much as Russia may be falsely praised, Commie China is given this bullshit Sun Tzu aura of wise invincibility wat to often.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 12:54 | 4345939 aerojet
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It's obvious to anyone who looks at it.  Soviet Communism killed them, it's just taking a long time for the final act.  The Roman Empire limped along for hundreds of years.  These things don't just end abruptly.  My concern is that the west is only slightly behind Russia--the socialist antics in Europe and the US have sealed our fates, too, but it will play out over decades.  

One thing is certain--the US is not going to be able to keep going with 100 million people all trying to collect pensions and cash out 401ks.  It doesn't have a chance in hell of ever coming to be like that.  The Baby Boom was our suicide pact.  Everything has been over-promised and will now be under-delivered one way or another.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:03 | 4344859 s-logic
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sad as I am to say that.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:50 | 4344946 max2205
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Injecting gasoline....fuck....that shit is expensive. ...unleaded or premium? 

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 12:54 | 4345943 aerojet
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Why not just hang yourself?  The lower half of the bell curve of humanity is insane--having limbs with flesh eating whatever dissolving your body.  WTF?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:27 | 4344913 Karl von Bahnhof
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Birthrate was just reversed in 2013. Just check.

Remember Stalingrad?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:47 | 4345135 TBT or not TBT
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It's a bitch being a former empire. A lot of the places you have colonized colonize you back. Do you think the bright spots in Russian demography are ethnically or culturally Russian? Think again. Same deal in France.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 02:05 | 4345371 michael63636
michael63636's picture   It is the Muslim invasion, stupid.   Remember Medina?   622 AD.   Mohamed moved his followers there and bread like rats.  10 births per woman. They raised an army through rapid breeding. Then they conquered the city.   The same tactics and strategy Muslims have used for 1400 years.   Islam declared war on Russia, in 622 AD. Their strategies, tactics and logistics have been used since 622 AD. Islam is carrying out an organized extermination of Russians. They enter countries and use the wombs of their women as weapons to breed an Army within. 1. "We will conquer you through the wombs of our ... - Bare Naked Islam  He has said the swollen Muslim population would be enough to conquer Britain from inside Google "Islam domination by immigration" and Imam speeches verify their plan. Every 5 minutes a Swedish woman is raped by a Muslim.     They beat, rape and kill our women. And post videos of their crimes on the internet:     If they kill you they will cut your heart and liver out and eat them raw:     They commit massive welfare fraud.  This has cost Europe 800,000,000 USD form 1990 to 2010.  There are 50,000,000 Muslims in Europe.  80 percent are on welfare, bearing 10 children per woman.  If allowed to continue there will be 500,000,000 Muslims in Europe in 10 years.   The same is happening in America, Dearborn Michaigan:  
Sun, 01/19/2014 - 09:23 | 4345573 The.Harmless.Who
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Oh dear...  It is times likes these where you really do wonder if "freedom of speech" adds any value to humanity.  


What a disgraceful post, shameful and more importantly full of lies.  As a Semite, I do not want to be associated with such crap, anymore than wishing to be grouped with the same trash that is Greenspan, Fischer, Yellen and Bernanke. 


My only regret here on ZH, is having to lower my contempt to a level as to having to respond to such hate-filled lie-speak.



Sun, 01/19/2014 - 10:46 | 4345726 Bendromeda Strain
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All effective propaganda contains kernels of truth. Since you claim it is full of lies, maybe you would take a moment after your attack of the vapors subsides to post an informed takedown. By the way, as a Semite, what do make of Paideia? Looks to me like "someone" disagrees with you about the future of Europe.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 11:24 | 4345783 The.Harmless.Who
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First of all Neo-Nazi Cum-Strain (couldn't resist, too much fun!),


Paideia is a ZIONIST backed body - so yeah, they will have a different opinion to myself, being an Non-Zionist Semite. 


2nd of all, if you look at the sources provided by your vermin spreading mate, you'd see there's no credibility - follow the money, motives, and intent... I mean "Islam's agenda" - REALLY?  Pleaaaaaaaaase!  


3rd of all, are you seriously backing the statement that "a swedish woman gets raped by a muslim every 5 minutes"?  I mean really?  If so, then you're a stain on ZH's membership. 


Much love, 


The Harmless Who. 

p.s. that post could have been written by Enoch Powell (back in the 60s), or a grizzly nazi (back in the 40s)




Sun, 01/19/2014 - 12:10 | 4345862 Bendromeda Strain
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I don't believe I said I was backing any specific statement. Let me check. Nope, I didn't. Since I am apparently engaged with a self righteous hypocrite, I will leave you with a Swedish kiss (couldn't resist too much fun).

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 14:14 | 4346168 The.Harmless.Who
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So what did you mean by your proclaimation your "all propaganda..."  remark?  Were you not referring to the hateful poster's nonesense set of so-called citations - did you even check out them out to see for yourself?


Furthermore, since I'm no hypocrite, and since you appear to be a geniune jerk-off, let me wish you a life of misery and pain (asshole) - I'm sure you life is filled with it, so long may it continue. 


Now piss-off as you're polluting the ZH site, but how I'd like to leave you with a "glasgow kiss" (tosser).


Laters you douche net-warrior troll :-)







Sun, 01/19/2014 - 12:58 | 4345953 aerojet
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Oh whatever, this isn't the middle ages.  While I detest religion, especially Islam, you can be completely backwards technologically, but if your group doesn't espouse vices such as drinking and smoking, the long-term chances of success go up considerably.  I don't know anything about these people, really.  I just know the west is in decline because we as a culture refuse to do anything about the vice and the rot other than be tolerant of it.  That is not the way to set standards in any civilization.  I blame leftism, and I blame stupid religious zealot Christians for this.  Either you have the will to survive and lay down how it is going to be, or you don't.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:35 | 4345318 Scarlett
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If you like Irina's legs, you can keep Irina's legs.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 08:12 | 4345621 matrix2012
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@ Scarlett, who's the Irina btw? :-)

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 18:20 | 4346747 Nassim
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It is so easy to stop sexually-transmitted infections, if the internet is used the way it should be:

You should see how many infections young Americans have:

Over one million cases of (curable) chlamydia per annum. Wow.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:49 | 4344707 debtor of last ...
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Just sign in for Obamacare and whipe that snow off your nose. We are one world now.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:18 | 4344769 q99x2
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I blame the Rothschilds for most everything terrible but in this case I throw in with them the Kerry/Forbes oligarchy.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:37 | 4345320 Scarlett
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Isn't this the fault/profit center of the CIA?

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 12:58 | 4345957 aerojet
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It's the wealth disparity, not particular actors.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:39 | 4344691 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The more important metric is how much has heroin usage increased since Poppy Bush's useful idiot of a son shrub sent troops into Afghanistan in the same time frame....

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:07 | 4344742 Harbanger
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It doesn't only end up in Russia.  A few months ago, Norway was considering legalizing the smoking of heroin, injecting it would still be illegal.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:26 | 4344779 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Spikes in heroin usage almost always go hand in hand with increases in HIV cases, there is usually a direct and unmistakable correlation. The heroin still needs to be refined from the poppy plant before it gets to Norway. Someone has to be buying the poppy now don't they since it is not being refined in Afghanistan (not on the scale necessary to feed the market). Official watchers usually job that one out to the criminal elements because it is easier to just sell raw material. Norway isn't known for drug production so hence they are buying it from a refiner first who happens to be....

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 21:36 | 4345030 Eternal Complainer
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Nice avatar

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 13:00 | 4345962 aerojet
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The governor of Vermont spent his entire state of the state addres talking about heroin.  In Vermont!  Something is defintely up.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:43 | 4344697 kaiserhoff
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Good place to point out that AIDS is not a venereal disease and never was.  It is a catch all term for blown out immune systems, mostly as a function of specific types of drug abuse.

See Peter Duesberg's work to understand what it is, and why heterosexual aids never happened, not even in Africa.

The whole thing was media hype, bad science, and politics.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:53 | 4344712 shepherd
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If HIV would be what they made it out to be, half of Africa would be dead.

AIDS is a terrible disease but mostly restricted to drug users and homosexuals.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:01 | 4344728 kaiserhoff
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and always will be so restricted.

Sperm is a blood product.  Lots of sperm, injected into the rectum creates an immune response.  The body sees this as a foreign invader.  So, just as hemophiliacs have immune impairment from multiple transfusions, gays need to be careful of exposure.

Also, there are plenty of gays who treat drugs as an all you can eat buffet, but that's another set of disasters.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:45 | 4344821 Papasmurf
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Sadly, you're mistaken. 

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 15:02 | 4345866 Headbanger
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Congratulations kaiserhof!!   

You just won the Official ZH Wanker of the Year Award for 2014!!

You will enjoy all the benefits of that title all year which include being ridiculed endlessly !

And we will enjoy the many laughs you will give this forum!

And thanks for letting me know you have gladly accepted your award by your down arrow here you fucking idiot!

Now go play on the highway !

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:07 | 4345196 TBT or not TBT
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In Africa, heterosexual anal sex is a pretty common birth control approach, which results in lots of heterosexual HIV transmission.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4344715 Dr Benway
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I just cannot believe you got upvotes for that comment. Has this site gone full retard?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:01 | 4344731 shepherd
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Yes, you can cry now.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:06 | 4344741 kaiserhoff
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See Inventing the Aids Virus, by Peter Duesberg, or better yet, just think it through.

There was a headline in the Washington Post in the eighties


Didn't happen, now did it, but it would have happened.  Hell the ghettos would have been wiped out entirely if aids were anything like the clap.  Aids is not contagious, nor is cancer.  Some of Peter's best work is on the fundamental cellular nature of what cancer cells have to be.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:10 | 4344749 Dr Benway
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HIV is contagious, and causes AIDS. You are a lunatic. And that's all.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:14 | 4344759 shepherd
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Bullshit, why is Africa not dying off?

They use no condoms. They have lots of children with multiple partners. Yet they become more and more.

Something stinks here, and it's your lies.



Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:15 | 4344884 Aussiekiwi
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Dr Benway is correct, AIDS is a virus, it has been identified by independent research in every country in the world, it is far easier to pass it on via anal intercourse than vaginal, hence rates amongst the homosexual population will be a lot higher than the heterosexual population, that's just a fact. Like many blood borne diseases it can be passed on with syringes. All very simple to understand.


Initial estimates for the death toll in Africa were massively inflated for political and health reasons, they were just guesses, often by people who had a strong commitment to a political agenda.


Out of the 34 million HIV-positive people worldwide, 69 percent live in sub-Saharan Africa. There are roughly 23.8 million infected persons in all of Africa.


71 percent of the HIV/AIDS-related deaths in 2011 were people living in Africa.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:16 | 4344761 kaiserhoff
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You have learned your government and media propaganda very well, but the real science now in medicine, astronomy,  and physics is in the contrarian stuff.  ZH is a good format to show truth to power.

Some people are interested in learning.  You can lead a horse to water...

PS  Not big on credentials, but long before AIDS, Duesberg was a world class authority on retroviruses, and a member of the National Academy of Science.  Telling the truth cost him big chunks of his career.  He thought it was that important.  Some of us still do.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:21 | 4344775 Dr Benway
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Haha I love it! So the consensus on ZH is now that HIV doesn't cause AIDS?!? LOL.


Look, I'm not even gonna argue with lunatics. You are too insane for reason to work on you.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:31 | 4344781 shepherd
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Answer, you sucker.

Why is the population in Africa increasing at rapid rates, yet according to the circulated myths about HIV/AIDS they should die in droves, just like those drug users.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:45 | 4344822 Dr Benway
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I once talked to a schizophrenic convinced that George Harrison of the Beatles psychically communicated and controlled him. Reasoning with him could not dispel this notion.

Likewise, no reason can help you, lunatic. No matter how much evidence I present to you, how many scientific studies, you would not be swayed in your belief. Therefore it would be a pointless exercise for me to expend energy and time upon.

Do your own fucking research, not restricting it to your current fellow crackpot lunatic writings, and you could very easily find the answers, if you were so inclined. But you are not so inclined.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 02:22 | 4345402 garypaul
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Dr. Benway, is it just this site that has gone full retard? In America, if that disturbed person you described thought someone was trying to harm him, he could legally start shooting! (self-defense)

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:22 | 4344895 Jadr
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Pretty simple...

A) Africa has extremely high birthrates and the people of Africa have children at much younger ages than those in developed countries. 

B) HIV doesn't turn into aids immediately and those with HIV & AIDs can pump out more children while they are sick.  I don't know how available anti-HIV drugs are in Africa but that could add to the number of people procreating while still infected.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:49 | 4344830 kaiserhoff
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If you are concerned that AIDS is contagious, ask a nurse.  They know.  Health care workers are at essentially zero risk of acquiring ACQUIRED IMMUNE DEFICIENCY from their patients, even though emergency room workers are often covered in aids blood. 

But one needle stick from Hepatitis B or C can easily be fatal.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:04 | 4344852 Dr Benway
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Different diseases have different transmission mechanisms and infectiousness. This is common knowledge, even a completely uneducated layman would know this, so it baffles me that you do not.

I know I said I wouldn't engage in argument, but I can't help myself, and this could be considered my altruistic deed of the day, futilely trying to educate the willfully ignorant. You're welcome.


If I have an exposure, what is my chance of becoming infected with one of the viruses?

The risk of getting infections with bloodborne pathogens depends on three things:

  • The type of exposure (transfusion, needle stick, splash)
  • How much virus is in the blood or body fluid of the source
  • The ability of that particular virus to cause infection

For example, a transfusion with a pint of blood would carry much more risk than a stick from a needle used to draw blood. A splash to mucous membranes, such as eyes or lips is generally less of a risk than a needle stick. The source may be more infectious if (s)he has a lot of the virus in the blood. For example, people who are very sick with AIDS will be more infectious than someone who is infected with the virus but not yet sick. Certain viruses are better able than others to be transmitted. For example, Hepatitis B is much more infectious than either Hepatitis C or HIV. A health care worker cannot be infected with any bloodborne pathogen if the source of the exposure does not carry the virus. Most of the exposures that occur in our Hospitals and Health Centers do not carry the risk of any of the viruses mentioned. We try to test all source patients to see whether they are infected with any of the above viruses. Rarely, the patient is not available for testing, but in most cases U-M OHS can give you information regarding the risk of the source of your exposure. Data on health care workers' exposures throughout the world have been collected to try and determine what is the risk of infection from an infected source. Below is a table that summarizes the risk of infection depending on the type of exposure and the particular virus.

This is statistical information gathered from many sources. Your own experience may be similar or different from the cases used for this table. The most important thing to remember is that the risk of getting HIV or Hepatitis C from a needle stick or other exposure is quite small. As an example, since June 1981, there were 57 health care workers with documented occupationally acquired HIV infection in the United States. In addition, 139 other cases of HIV infection or AIDS have occurred among healthcare workers who have not reported other risk factors for HIV infection and who report a history of occupational exposure to blood, body fluids, or HIV infected laboratory material, but for whom seroconversion after exposure was not documented. No new documented cases of occupationally acquired HIV/AIDS have been reported since December 2001. The risk of Hepatitis B can be eliminated through vaccination.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:50 | 4344831 Miffed Microbio...
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Um, kaiserhoff, that headline was just an off the cuff statement by a journalist. No science what so ever behind it. It was designed to sell magazines which it probable did. " 200 people expected to die from AIDS by 2000" just doesn't have the same vibe. We are motivated by sensationalism rather than fact.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:07 | 4344864 kaiserhoff
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I think they were projecting from the rate of growth they were seeing, and expecting that level of increase would continue, which it would have if AIDS had normal contagion characteristics, like the flu.  The whole African thang (equal numbers of men and women infected) is a result of false positives.  They test in fertility clinics, and among the sources of a false positive are pregnancy, malaria, and many parasite infections. 

Malaria in Africa?  Who coulda knowed?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:19 | 4344891 Miffed Microbio...
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TB also caused false positives by those testing methods. Also, rampant in Africa. See, Bernanke math has always been present in economics as well as science. The reason for this is they know people will eventual forget and for those that don't, they fear no punishment from their inaccuracies. I tend to run on the cynical side for good reason.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:30 | 4344919 kaiserhoff
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These days, we can't be cynical enough. 

Sadly, there is also a financial component.  If you are running a poor, resource starved clinic in Africa, you get extra funding for AIDS cases.  No one wants to fund your operation if the problem is dysentery.  Dig a well.  Fix the plumbing.

Well, yes, but you have all these other needs, and money is quite fungible.

Humans are funny critters, but all somewhat predictable;)

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:54 | 4344955 Miffed Microbio...
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This was the problem my old boss faced. He told me the way to figure out HIV is through the aberrations. There were several well known patients that had incredibly high titers of HIV but never got the disease. The scientific consensus at the time was they would eventually develop AIDS. They never did in the 15 years I was watching this research. My boss wanted to study them extensively but was denied all research grants while his colleagues who were studying possible therapies and vaccines were granted millions. I started to get as cynical as he was seeing the politicization of a disease that should have been kept in the realm of science rather than people who could gain monetarily from it.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:17 | 4345214 TBT or not TBT
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The AIDS! number in Team America captures the, ah, penetration, of the politicisation into the culture pretty well.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 17:41 | 4346679 Jena
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In the 1980's, the time from diagnosis with HIV to AIDS to death was frightingly short.  We're talking months, if not weeks.  It was before the development of antiretroviral meds that now enable people live with HIV, and not convert to AIDS.

20 million dead by 2000 was probably a conservative estimate back then.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 17:46 | 4346686 Jena
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BTW, in the U.S. per the CDC the rate in HIV infection has remained unchanged for the past few years.  But the conversion rate to AIDS has dropped dramatically.  People don't fear it but they should.  Viruses adapt to everything and this one will likely learn to survive the current cocktails, too.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4344811 Miffed Microbio...
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Glad to see someone knows about Peter Duesberg. He was a friend of my old boss and he introduced me to him, fascinating man. My boss had a thing for contrarians claiming they were good for science.

The worrisome part for me is HCV rather than HIV which is dramatically exploding in our country ( and probably in Russia too) especially in the 45-60 year old bracket. Rampant IV drug use in the 60s and indiscriminate use of blood products ( 1 in 10 transfusions transmitted HCV before testing was available) has created a health disaster only now being realized. It takes approximately 20 years before the liver fails, around 10% functionality do symptoms occur. I diagnose 100s of new cases every year. There is treatment but response to therapy is usually base on what genotype you are infected with. I've heard taking those drugs is like having the Flu for a year so it isn't worth it if your type of HCV won't respond. Most docs look for a 2 log drop in titer to see if a patient has a chance for cure. The only good thing about HCV is there is a very low sexual transmission rate ( unlike HBV ) so your partner should be okay.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:34 | 4344924 kaiserhoff
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Wasn't aware of that one.

     Thanks for the update.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 21:51 | 4345060 anolmec
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fyi......... the unwashed do have some hope.............An all-oral combination therapy of sofosbuvir, ledipasvir and ribavirin boasts a 100 percent cure rate among people with hepatitis C virus (HCV), reports....genotype 1

the sun i setting on this particular scourge


what we need now is an all oral combintion that eleminates politicians,, bankers, and lawyers

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 11:20 | 4345790 kaiserhoff
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From your lips to God's ears.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 13:44 | 4346082 Miffed Microbio...
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HCV Genotype 1 and 4 has been always more difficult to treat so I am glad there are more options. I have seen good cures with HCV Genotypes 2 and 3 ( including subtypes), i.e no detectable viral load in 5 years. (Our assay detects down to 10 copies/ml).

However, I do think it is premature to call this "sun setting" on a scourge. These serum response rates are at best 70%. This means 30% don't respond to therapy. Think about it, if these resistant strains are only left in a population what will happen in the long run? A review of increasing bacterial resistance rates due to antibiotic selective pressures in modern times may be in order here.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:52 | 4344950 max2205
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Wtf!...most of those countries are african american....I mean bad...whatever

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4344699 JustObserving
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Okay here is another look at Russia since 2000. 

In 2000, and with the arrival of a new president, the new Russian government tried to change course by loosening the US grip on the economy and wealth of Russia, but also on the society and the country’s politics - a very delicate and difficult project because of the many difficulties that arose.

Compared to the situation in 2000, the progress made by Russia until 2010 is remarkable: the social product has doubled, foreign trade has quadrupled, debts abroad are reduced to one-sixth of their initial value, wages have increased 2.5 times after inflation, annuities tripled, the poverty rate has fallen by more than half, unemployment has gone from 10% to 7%, the number of births increased by 40 %, deaths have decreased by 10%, infant deaths fell by 30%, life expentancy increased by 5 years, the crime rate has decreased by 10%, murders fell by 50% and suicides by 40%, alcohol poisoning fell by more than 60%.

The "West" was not eager to help. On the contrary, the means used to attempt to break Russia became less obvious but even more treacherous. And whoever dared to openly challenge these attempts by promoting countermeasures, as in the case of the Russian government for many years, was very unpopular in the West.

Mainstream Western media have played and still play an increasingly doubtful role in this campaign against Russia

Heroin production in neighboring Afghanistan has increased 40 times since NATO invaded Afghanistan.  How much of it went to Russia? How much of the HIV epidemic was caused by that?  Maybe the Nobel Prize winner can explain this situation:

Heroin production in Afghanistan increased 40 times since NATO began its ‘War on Terror’ in 2001, the head of Russia’s Federal Drug Control Service stated, adding that more than 1 million people have died from Afghan heroin since then.

“Afghan heroin has killed more than 1 million people worldwide since the ‘Operation Enduring Freedom’ began and over a trillion dollars has been invested into transnational organized crime from drug sales,”Viktor Ivanov said at the conference on the drug situation in Afghanistan.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:19 | 4345217 TBT or not TBT
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This is a symptom of Russian decline, not a cause. They were super, ultra fucked as civilisation well before 9/11.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 08:52 | 4345637 matrix2012
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Thanks @ JustObserving,

appreciate the link on Russia, it helps explaining systematically why the mainstream propaganda machines so-called "free media" detest a strong, uncontrollable Russia, as well as China!

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:55 | 4344717 Son of Captain Nemo
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Guess we're seeing the other side of Russia and Putin.

Sure wish the U.S. government would do it's part and shut down the money maker in Afghanistan that they are sending in droves to make fresh new addicts in Eastern Europe for profit!

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:02 | 4344736 CrashisOptimistic
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What we're seeing is media trashing of the dominant country on the planet. 

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:20 | 4344772 Son of Captain Nemo
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If you're referring to Russia I couldn't agree more. 

Having said that, the fact that these are people that have hit the skids that no one wants and must seek refuge through a neighboring Country is telling.  But this is not to say that Russia doesn't take care of it's own or should I say -tries but is unable to take care of all of them.

Just look at how well the United States of America looks after it's own?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:27 | 4344910 ArrestBobRubin
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Yes! And whose "media" is it praytell?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:22 | 4345222 TBT or not TBT
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Russia is dead meat walking, in terminal decline.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 11:30 | 4345642 matrix2012
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I see it as an initial mass smear campaigns by the propaganda machines so-called "free media"against the Russian image to cope with the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics that will kick off next month!

They're trying very hard to deny the Russian a successful Olympics hosting!

Expect to see much more the tarnishing stories upon the Russian from now on... increased intensity in embracing the Sochi Olympics :-)

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:09 | 4344868 MarkD
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SCN...... we profit but our addicts take it in pill form. Needles are sooooo 80's. Just ask Rush

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 18:59 | 4344726 giggler321
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Are these the zombies ZH talks about coming?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:01 | 4344730 frankthomaswhite59
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'The concoction is based on the pain reliever

codeine mixed with gasoline, iodine, acid

and phosphorus'

Man, who was the first to try that mix!

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:55 | 4344957 max2205
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Population of 140 mill...shit they are lucky Poland hasn't invaded yet....why did I think.they had a lot more warm how many killed or still in Siberia? 

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:23 | 4344771 angryBuddhist
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The problems that exist in Russia today were a result of the influence that the West had on them during the Gorbochov and Yeltsin years. All efforts were made by the west to bring down the country through means of economic slavery and they almost succeeded with the place being over-run by the mafia, a bankrupt economy and insanely corrupt Politburo forcing all kinds of hell on the people over there, who by the way are some of the most intelligent and nicest people you will ever want to meet. Along comes Putin who was faced with an impossible task of bringing a sense of order to the total FUBAR mess and it is amazing the job that he did in undoing the damage that was wrought on his homeland.

I believe that the shithole that Russia was but has now left behind as it heals is precisely the destiny of the US. Given that we simply do not have any leadership that has the balls to stand up to the insane corruption that runs things over here, I think that the US will descend into a stinking hellhole far far worse than anything that Russia ever was. Simply look at how we are being governed and the policies and economic decisions that are being made here. The Constitution has no meaning anymore. We are hopelessly mired in insane levels of debt (Russia BTW has a total debt to GDP of less than 9% for 2012). Bitch all you want about how things are over there but one look in our own backyard and I see things a little bit differently than what the western press will suffer me to believe.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:26 | 4345232 TBT or not TBT
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It is just about impossible for Russia to recover from so many decades of appalling birthrates and third world longevity stats, and so they won't. That's that. The problem is what they will do as they go down. They have centuries of pattern of paranoia, so that's your first data point. And they have shit tons of nuclear warheads in a dozen different formats.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:20 | 4344774 Spungo
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This is all going as planned. HIV was spreading like crazy in the US in the 1980's because republicans decided it was a good idea to ban drug related equipment, thus encouraging people to share needles. Now Russia is doing the exact same thing to get the exact same desired outcome - spreading HIV and killing as many people as possible.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:29 | 4345236 TBT or not TBT
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Except that sodomy has been the primary transmission method, which is unrelated to medical equipment.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:40 | 4344810 Spungo
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"Why is the population in Africa increasing at rapid rates, yet according to the circulated myths about HIV/AIDS they should die in droves, just like those drug users."

Evolution. We had a similar problem with the Black Death in Europe. The first wave of it killed most people. Each wave after that killed fewer people.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:54 | 4344841 Spungo
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"If you are concerned that AIDS is contagious, ask a nurse.  They know"

I dated a nurse who was very vocal about setting up safe injection clinics. She was absolutely certain that things like hepatitis and HIV spread through blood contact.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 19:56 | 4344844 MFLTucson
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And the point of this article is what?  That Vladimir Putin is a hypocrite?  Well Obama is an outright liar and he is your President not theirs.  How about worrying about who is destroying your country while Russian moves forward as a world economic superpower backed by Gold and not run buy Corrupt Jewish Bankers and printed paper

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:33 | 4345240 TBT or not TBT
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Is the Russian economy bigger than california's yet? I'm not clear how a Russia devoid of Russians is going to run Russia in just a few decades in, nevermind the rest often world. But sure, they can cause a lot of pain as they go down, no doubt.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:00 | 4344850 NoWayJose
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If Russia has the second highest number of people 'living' with HIV it must mean that they have a pretty good health care system capable of keeping them alive???? And notice the pack of Winston's in the first picture. The US is launching yet another anti smoking campaign - which group is persecuted more...

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:00 | 4344851 NoWayJose
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Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:20 | 4344861 Karl von Bahnhof
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Tylers, this is poor propaganda. You know Dope Inc. You know who is behind this, and who rules Afghanistan. You know why is this drug flow secured by all imperial costs.

But to blame people who are trying to deal with this plague for many years ( see )
This is just poor.

I understand they bought you, but you are now just Reuters 2.

The same is informational weight of your opinion ( going to limit with 0, sorry)

Free Francis~sawyer, you fuckers.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:23 | 4344899 MarkD
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How about an article on "The USA Obama doesn't want the east to see" and show how many americans are addicted to pharmaceuticals.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:34 | 4344887 ArrestBobRubin
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Hey and we all know how deeply committed Bloomboig is to fair and balanced reporting on Putin's Russia, so really nice pick in "sources" here ZH....

Who the f*ck are they to point fingers at Russia here? It's not like the story ZH posted earlier today about the poverty-stricken Appalachians is one America is super-quick to share either. Ever see that on Bloomboig? Yet think about how many millions of Americans are afflicted by hunger, privation and various preventable diseases in Kentucky alone. And yet I'm supposed to feel bad about how much press coverage Putin affords Russian intravenous drug users, Mo's and various other dregs? Oh please. Such chutzpah.

I know Bloomboig would feel so much better if Putin was properly beholden to Gay Men's Health Crisis, Act Up and other Jewish-dominated societal/cultural disintegration weapons. He's not, and never will be. Get over it D bags.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:18 | 4344888 Karl von Bahnhof
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Tylers must push this bullshit before Olympics, as if this was different with any country/town in the west ( check southampton, detroit, marseille ... You guess)

But Tylers have a duty now, they are part of a network.

I do not trust You even the Gold issue, Tylers. You play by their rules sooo clearly!

Free Francis! Or go bust!

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:26 | 4344889 kareninca
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"Why is the population in Africa increasing at rapid rates, yet according to the circulated myths about HIV/AIDS they should die in droves, just like those drug users."

Maybe because of birth rates!!!!!!  Duh!!!!!!!

Here are the top ten most fertile countries, and the average number of childen each woman produces (, it's the CIA chart; I doubt it's lying about this unlike most things):

Niger:  7.03

Mali:  6.25

Somalia:  6.17

Uganda:  6.06

Burkino Faso:  6

Burundi:  5.99

Zambia:  5.81

Afghanistan:  5.54

South Sudan:  5.54

Angola:  5.49

Congo (RO):  5.49

Mozambique:  5.34

Nigeria:  5.31

Ethiopia:  5.31

Malawi:  5.26

Timor-Leste:  5.22

Benin:  5.13

Tanzania:  5.01

Guinea:  4.99

Congo (DRO):  4.95

That's the top 20; all but one are in Africa.  I'm tired of typing them in now, but if you look at the site, it goes up to the top 30, all but one African.  Then you get to the Gaza strip, at number 31.  Then it's basically back to Africa.

People in Africa are dying in droves from AIDS; it's horrible.  But when you have such high birth rates, the population still goes up; not everyone is infected.  And infected men can still reproduce, and so can infected women if they are treated.  And then there is this:  money has been diverted from birth control to AIDS treatment; thereby AIDS is indirectly increasing birth rates:

"AIDS had played a mild some role in temporary population decline; however, at the time, data available suggests that, even with high AIDS mortality, fertility rates in Africa are sufficiently high, so that overpopulation trends continue.[4] AIDS has contributed to a population explosion in Africa as money from fertility reduction programs was redirected into the HIV/AIDS crisis; African fertility rates have actually increased in the past two decades while population grew by over 50%.[5]"

(from the Wikipedia article on population decline)

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 22:16 | 4345106 logicalman
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Now give us the numbers on survival rate of offspring.

People tend to have less children when they are reasonably confident that those they have will survive.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 23:38 | 4345248 TBT or not TBT
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Also, anal sex was considered bith control in Africa. The news that this practice may cause, um, death, may have encouraged more vaginal sex, the kind that causes more babies but far less HIV transmission.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:25 | 4344907 Karl von Bahnhof
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It is a shame!

This used to be independent, intelectually sharp blog, with own ideas and non-biased info.

Nowadays price was paid, and we have Bloomburg2 combine with Reuters and daily State Dept dispatch.

Pfffffffff..... Such a failure!

But money, money, money .... Lalala .... Does not smell....

Yep? Tylers....

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 20:40 | 4344933 ArrestBobRubin
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Well then Herr Bahnhof, let's just keep keeping them honest until the Tylers regain their senses. The best stuff is always found in the comments anyway.

Herzliche Gryye,


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 21:08 | 4344978 PennilessPauper
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HIV Is just another bogus scam brought to us by the Pharmaceutical companies.  Created to sell piss poor testing kits and another poisonous drug called AZT.

Some of the side effects of AZT or zidovudine.


Watch House of Numbers some time. Its a great eye opener to this HIV scam!





Sat, 01/18/2014 - 21:25 | 4345001 Aussiekiwi
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 AIDS is a virus, it has been identified by independent research in every country in the world, it is far easier to pass it on via anal intercourse than vaginal, hence rates amongst the homosexual population will be a lot higher than the heterosexual population, that's just a fact. Like many blood borne diseases it can be passed on with syringes. All very simple to understand.


Initial estimates for the death toll in Africa were massively inflated for political and health reasons, they were just guesses, often by people who had a strong commitment to a political agenda.


Out of the 34 million HIV-positive people worldwide, 69 percent live in sub-Saharan Africa. There are roughly 23.8 million infected persons in all of Africa.


71 percent of the HIV/AIDS-related deaths in 2011 were people living in Africa.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:32 | 4345312 ebworthen
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In Africa anal intercourse between a Man and a Woman is a very common form of birth control.

In Russia, the problem appears to be the intravenous drug abuse and the sharing of needles; there is a corollary in the U.S. with HIV and Hepatitis B and C.

Not that people in the U.S. and Russia don't engage in anal intercourse, just that the cultural norms are different; as well as the availability and affordability of intravenous drugs.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 21:34 | 4345024 Aussiekiwi
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had a look at your houseofnumbers, I bet you believe the moon landings were faked as well.,

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 10:06 | 4345690 ArrestBobRubin
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Right, because when has the government and media ever lied about anything really really big?

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 22:18 | 4345111 logicalman
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Just because some greedy bastard is making a fortune off something doesn't mean it isn't really happening.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 21:41 | 4345038 Hongcha
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I see people sporting leg sores like that lady almost every day in downtown San Francisco.  I see people in the throes of meth-induced psychosis almost every day.

Sat, 01/18/2014 - 22:13 | 4345101 logicalman
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I find the whole thing ridiculous.

Life is never without risk - you are only at risk of dying if you are alive, but to get involved with high risk behaviour can only lead to one outcome - an increase in harm. Sure, you might get away with 'it' but you can't really expect sympathy if you are bitten on the arse by your own stupidity/bad judgement.

When society is so hard to cope with that people resort to such things as 'krokodil' just handle it, I think society needs to change.


Sat, 01/18/2014 - 22:40 | 4345151 kurt
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Another anti-russia hit piece.

Can you fuckin let them enjoy the Olympics?

Get this shit out of our faces.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 02:48 | 4345422 Kirk2NCC1701
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New co-owners flexing their muscle.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 05:49 | 4345543 dark pools of soros
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the Saudis just bought ZH... promise no editorial changes

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 11:51 | 4345839 matrix2012
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Who is the NEW co-owners of ZeroHedge? Can it be transparently discussed?

Ooops, i guess not.

No wonder i notice a big surge of Bloomboid and (Thomson-)Reuters and The Diplomat sourced news here.

Now i know :-)

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:12 | 4345286 ebworthen
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I would posit that used needles have no sexual affiliation.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:19 | 4345297 Atomizer
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You hopefully begin to see the next leg to create society acceptance. Hold your morals and do what is right to these sick minded individuals. Just take a keyboard hop to You’ll find a shit storm about to erupt. No even the MSM can hide this any longer.

Young "Goyim" Have Sex With Dogs

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:32 | 4345313 Kirk2NCC1701
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Beware of Olympic athletes, spreading HIV and cheeks with an Analy Injected Death Sentence.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 00:51 | 4345334 TheABaum
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Putin is the audacious liar Obama wants to be

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 01:17 | 4345354 Atomizer
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We laugh about two competing leaders with the same agenda roles.

Putin vs. Obama: Pictorial Comparisons


On the other matter in my above post. Google Jimmy Savile. He was the tip of the iceberg on the fucked up shit these progressive public servants are doing behind the scenes under taxpayer funding.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 01:54 | 4345385 are we there yet
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I have visited Russia and the Ukraine about 6 times. I have found the people there very warm, and while I have seen alcohol as a problem, I have not seen drugs or outward signs of Hiv. Also, obesity is rare there, but smoking is more so than in the US.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 02:47 | 4345418 Manipuflation
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Mrs. M. said I should not say anything about Russia.  She actually physically hit me and hit me hard.  I was not even standing near her.   In ten years of marriage, and two children, she has never done that before and I just took the shot.  She felt bad afterwards and I am over it.  The Southern Russians do not want these Olympics. 

Well, it is all pretty intersting.  What can you say?  Russians do not want these Olympics.  They just don't want anything to do with it.  It is the potential embarrassment that they are worried about.  There is no way that I can stop that.  No way at all.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 03:17 | 4345468 Joe A
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Russia's economy and subsequently the society really nosedived after Western cowboy consultants came in and hooked up with the olicharcs in order to destroy it all more.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 03:26 | 4345476 angel_of_joy
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I don't see a problem there. If you are are a moron, you have increased chances to die quicker. It's just natural selection at work.

The good news for the Russians: smarter people survive and multiply.

Let's talk again about drugs use (and abuse) in Russia vs US, ten years from now...

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 11:59 | 4345854 youngman
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I dont have a lot of pity for people who are shooting themselves with those drugs...gasoline..come on..what do you get healthy from that....crazy

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 12:17 | 4345878 RiverDrifter
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I question the data and bias in this piece...Kravchenko is as anti-Putin as Obama is and Bennett is hugely pro big-pharma and seems to jump on any big-pharma produced claims of HIV/AIDS cures that they give him.  And taking into account who owns Bloomberg and his own personal agenda....yea, there's not a grain of salt large enough to take with this article IMO.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 13:05 | 4345977 rsnoble
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All the world leaders are going to hold this pile of shit together till we're all starving.  Anything to keep a fucking job.

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 14:01 | 4346114 Sashko89
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Maybe if the west, would stop importing all the heroin thats being grown and controlled by NATO forces in Afghanistan, then Russia wouldn't have such a big of a problem with heroin/krodil use and the hiv that gets spread around with it... Just saying, wtf is NATO doing in Afghanistan, if since the occupation that started in 2001 the heroin production has increased by over 100%... then they import a lot of that to Russia.. or most of it and kill of the population.. seems like covert cold war tactics and a specially planned agenda do decrease the population in Russia.. then this proganda appears right before the olympics.. great no politics against Russia to be seen here... 

Sun, 01/19/2014 - 15:51 | 4346435 Village-idiot
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This is in the news today in Canada :

The news article indicated that it was "disposed of". I wonder what'll really happen to it?

Canadian troops in Afganistan are standing guard over the fields of opium poppies to protect the growers and their crops. There's too much money to be made from all of this. Some of the richest families in the world made their fortunes from selling drugs (eg. the Russells) and alcohol (the Kennedys).

Putin has the right idea; let the idiots kill themselves, leaving behind a cleaner, healthier population.

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