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The Complete Chinese War Preparedness And Military Update
With China increasingly in the news involving some new diplomatic or geopolitical escalation, a new territorial claim, the launch of a brand new aircraft carrier, or just general chatter of military tensions surrounding the aspirational reserve currency superpower, it is time for yet another update of the complete "military and security developments involving the people’s republic of China", courtesy of the annual report to Congress discussing precisely this issue.
The only Org Chart that matters:
China Sovereignty Claims:
Chinese Ground Forces:
Chinese ground force distribution map:
Chinese Navy:
Chinese Airforce:
Chinese airforce distribution map:
China Taiwan Strait and SRBM Coverage:
China Conventional Strike Capabilities:
Chinese Missile balance:
China Precision Strike capabilities:
Chinese ICBM reach capabilities:
The full report link - pdf.
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Mao is smiling down from commie heaven. Oh wait...
Psst...Los Angeles residents you had best hope we don't go to war with China.
Because you are FUCKED!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rOssVrhQmg
China is different than european colonial powers or even America. They have both the land area + population. Thus they have no motivation to invade others. The military is solely to control their own massive population & defend against invasions.
Quite right. China does like receiving tributes and preferential treatment from lesser nations, but it has no interest in actually taking them over and dealing with the barbarians day to day.
I don't see Sum Ting Wong, Wi Tu Lo or Ho Lee Fuk on that org chart!
And where's the Egg Roll Commission block??
"An army marches on its stomach" - Napoleon
Maybe. If I was in Australia, sitting on all that oil, rare earth metals, undeveloped land, and other goodies that China craves I would feel far from secure.
They have land + population but they lack sufficient resources to fully develop, hence an army to protect all the resources they will repatriate from around the world… same as US, no invasion simply making sure nobody blocs the ships bringing the oil and all the other stuff to the mainland.
What about their anti-satellite weapons?
How many of the GPS satellites are within range?
Re: LA...if war breaks out the Chinese will have to fight the Mexicans for that city.
Right now there are probably a few satellites in space above China waiting to set off a nuclear EMP. I have absolutely no fear of China in the least. Now our FRIENDS like Japan? Japan due to an accident is currently attacking the west coast of the United States and it is not even newsworthy. In 10 years when you get cancer you will say, "Oh wow, that little cursing fish was right..."
Google: cursing fish cafepress
Give away free tacos and the fight will be over quickly.
Chinese bloggers refer to him as cured meat
Hey, they left out the Manchurian Candidate block in the top schematic. That's the one Bath House is in.
Thanks ZH, incredible summary (China) of the coming conflict.
It's pretty cool the interest we pay on all those Chinese owned US Treasuries are enough to find their military.
Real talent we got running this shitshow.
haven't you been paying attention? We always finance our enemies because if we dont we would have noone to bomb the shitouta and that just dont go around here.
You talkin' bout those Al-qaeder and taliban folks?
I don't know if he was but....
Syrian rebels pledge loyalty to al-Qaeda
Obama waives ban on arming terrorists to allow aid to Syrian opposition
Oh, You Mean sKerry And Obama Lied? snip"No kidding, right?
In other words, since the Syrians do not possess a teleporter it is not possible for the shell to have originated from Syrian-controlled territory."
MIT Report: Obama Used Bogus Intelligence to Push Syria WarA WAR with China well it could be an easy way to get rid of some of the useless eaters...
what about the submarine launched missile off the coast of California?
+1
Doesn't a lot of this sound very much like what the Japanese thought of the US military Dec. 6, 1941?
Just saying.
sunny
And one more thing. The Chinese don't have to lift a bullet to defeat the US. They simply have to dump a whole big bunch of US bonds and destroy the US economy. War over.
sunny
Sounds like another job for Ambassador Rodman. Oh Shit! Can somebody get him out of rehab?
Fate the Magnificent
"Push the Button, Max"
Yes but then the governments of China and Amerika don't get to kill lots of people and thats not what they are about.
That was an airplane contrail, even if it looked like it was going up from different angles, we swear it was just a contrail.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69ZWsFuAYfw
Our leaders in all their benevolent wisdom off-shored our work to China, etc..
And Chinese leadership is more amoral than our own with a longer history of fucking the masses.
Now, what is it again that I'm supposed to give a shit about?
The fundamental problem is that our de facto leaders are international corporations along with oligarchs who inherited wealth from generations ago who could give a flying fuck about a potential coming war, or rather who welcome it. Lots of money to be made. And they don't much care about territorial boundaries any longer. They already rule the world indirectly and they already live better than any King who ruled from a territorial castle.
You don't have to rule the world, you just have to rule the governments.
China, the glass-jaw superpower wannabe...
America misses the good old days of the USSR and the never ending cold war. Today I sense a longing to get back to those days and China is providing the means to recreate that cold war America. Everything points to China as American's new satan and we must now arm against it. This means corporations gearing up to produce the means of war and for the taxpayers to drop their pants and take in the ass. History repeats, here we go again. The Chinese are coming! I was raised to hate and fear the USSR above all things on earth, this motivated me at 17 to join the stuggle by enlisting. Soon another genration will be spoon fed war fever and proaganda aimed at mass military spending to defend America. Surely China is planning something like an invasion or to cut our sea transport. All this while China reamains corporate America's cheap manufactuing center, a massive profit center. While the government borrows from China to fund the deficit etc. etc. Funny world, our main trading partner and creditor is now the new USSR.
Iran is now back in the headlines as the devil again, bent on America's destruction, Putin is a threat, he does not follow US dictates and thus threatens our democracy. ANd here comes China.
America, Americans seem unable to cope with life without a whole raft of deadly enemies who we need to defend ourselfs from. In fact, no nation has any plans to attack AMerica, nor the ability to do so. Yet, here we go, gearing up to spend many more trillions to meet the new enemy China.
Spot on. The true irony is that any real military threat to America went away when we developed nuclear weapons. It is literally impossible to invade America without being destroyed. The cold war itself stayed a cold war for that reason, and the regional conflicts were just an excuse for the military to continue building all variety of conventional weapons and (as you observe) keep the American sheep in a constant state of worrying about the boogeyman. And of course to further the interests of the international corporations who profit from things like invading Iraq and opening its oil fields to international oil cartels. And I'm pretty sure most readers here have figured out that the "terrorists" don't hate us for our freedoms.
I'm not sure it's impossible. First, China and/or Russia dump their U.S. treasuries to crash the dollar and collapse the U.S. economy. Soon thereafer, they release a biological agent (virus) in the U.S. against which their people have been innoculated. Then they set off suitcase nukes near our military bases on U.S. soil. With the United States in chaos, they march in with a huge army to "help" the U.S. government "restore order", and they never leave. Even if they aren't able to pull off the "we are here to help" approach, the U.S. military is only equiped to fight a regional conflict or two, and cannot sustain a lenghty or widespread war -- we have so little manufacturing capacity left in the U.S. that we can't manufacture large quantities of replacement parts for tanks and warplanes and warships. And with the collapse of the dollar, we won't be able to afford it anyway. Looks like a slam dunk to me.
You're describing the view from inside Iraq... with a few character, costume and scenery changes.
You've missed the scenario completely. Let me take a stab at it: 1. Dump US securities and bonds on the market and make this real swell financial system kinda sick (maybe Soros will help with interesting suggestions for that), 2. attack US infrastructure by- knocking down the electrical grid (this would take only a few hundred pounds of C-4 and a few road trips), 3. physically attacking city centers with homicide bombs and bullets care of "terrorists" (Those individual actors could be paid, fatwah induced, & sponsored by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Sudan, Iran, Indonesia, Egypt or other places we send financial aid and military hardware by the billions), 4. Have a few drug cartel types start a war on our southern border (Eric Holder will set them up with some screaming high performance hardware) after they guide the above terror teams across the border, 5. Once the above occurs it will be time to suspend the Constitution, the bill of rights, and round up those black guns. Ah, heck round up all guns while you are at it.
We do have Obamacare going for US though don't we.
Important Note: I am not advocating any of these actions. This is just how the US could be taken down in about 30 days. Pray for the Republic
I do not completely disagree with you, but I'd like to share some thoughts just for consideration.
"First, China and/or Russia dump their U.S. treasuries to crash the dollar and collapse the U.S. economy"
Agreed that it could likely be the first move, however, someone on ZH previously suggested that the Fed has already absorbed so many trillions in US Treasuries that a dump by China/Russia would not be seen as castostrophic as it would have been prior to QE. I cannot remember the exact numbers, but if the Fed owns roughly $4T-$5T they can easily absorb the $1T-$2T China/Russia owns without too much difficulty. To paraphrase that specific poster, QE has diffused the Treasury Dump Bomb.
"...the U.S. military is only equiped to fight a regional conflict or two, and cannot sustain a lenghty or widespread war..."
Quite possibly, but the military has at least been in use when no other world power has been fighting. While they might not be able to beat two combined world powers, they've had more practice in recent memory than anyone else. (Not condoning, just making a point) I personally don't think it would be easy even with the combined powers of China/Russia
BTW, didn't downvote you
Nah, EMPs for everyone. Wait a year. Only 20% of US population still alive and none of the power tools work.
Besides loosing a trading partner while destroying the US, this wouldn't be a promising move.
The FED would buy each and every treasury dumped by China and Russia. Would be interesting what price the FED offers. If they offered 99,5% yields wouldn't move a lot. If they offered a 60% haircut that might be a heck of a deal.
Ha, the paranoia is comical, I'll make this quick.
Beijing would have its hands full trying to take Taiwan, not to mention what would follow that, and not to mention that the PLAN itself could be severely mauled and attrited by a combined force of East Asian and South East Asian navies, even if the US were not involved in it.
Yeah, people in the US always forget, or don't even realize that several significant Asian regional navies have better kit, weapons, sensors and intel than most of the Chinese fleet.
China is just one country, and it does not have many friends or alliances, and it has none that really trust it. Indeed, it's China that's heavily threatened here, and looking to improve its own vulnerable strategic situation.
But in your scenario China must transfer a major force to the US to quell rambunctious Walmart shoppers while China itself would thus be rendered open to sustained naval and air attack, by ... hmm .... by ... well actually, those not attacking China, in that sort of situation, would be a shorter list.
As "Terrorists" today called anyone who refuses to submit to the dictatorship and terror of Washington.
Normally I agree with you Jack, but me thinks the 'War on Terror' does the trick.
Terrorism: ever present and without definition, that is, perfect.
Terrorism is theatre.
Very true, but terrorism + major world power enemy is even better. It becomes even harder for the average ZH reader to explain to a sheep why the NSA and MIC should be defunded, if their stated mission is to protect against both.
You are wrong. We do not have a democracy...it is a cleptocracy run by criminals for the criminals. We are doomed and will have to pay the price to take our country back. Freedom is not free.
China calls them destroyers. The US Navy calls them snacks.
China calls them frigates. The US Navy calls them sorbet.
China calls it an aircraft carrier. The US Navy calls it much needed comic relief in these trying times.
There is about as much chance of an American warship engaging a Chinese warship as a pig flying out of my ass, so even if true it is beside the point. Perhaps there will be regional proxy wars over rocks in the China Sea, which will require trillions of "aid" to the opposiing forces. And the international war machine marches on, bigger and badder than ever while we all work to fund it.
I agree, Obama the fascist admires the semi-communist Chinese. Plus he doesn't have the balls to do anything.
Agreed, so long as you are not implying that Obama is any different from any other puppet that will replace him of either Team as it concerns building up the NSA and MIC to serve the oligarchs and keep the sheeple hiding under their school desks and ducking and covering from unseen enemies.
The danger with Obama is that he is always looking for ways to construct an image of Macho Strongman War Chief. That's why we have otherwise incomprehensible acts of war, bald-faced lies about the Syrian and Iranian situations, a confounding defense of war crimes committed by the US, wedding bombings, drone attacks, child assassinations, Osama manhunts, Pacific Pivots, CIA adventurism on every continent, etc, etc....he is a loose cannon and believes that his use of US military is the solution rather than the problem.......continuing and amplifying the disastrous policies of his predecessor.....with cheerleading from the former anti-war crowd...
True, however, the Chinese DF-21 is not to be underestimated, if they can establish, good lock a DF-21 will poke some serious holes in those expensive carriers and aegis cruisers. The chinese also have diesel electric submarines, and no sub in the world
is ignored by a carrier.
If i were running chinese strrategy, i'd look at how to attack the resupply vessels to the battle group. Without at sea replenishment,
the carriers rapidly run out of parts, fuel and munitions, and have to retreat to home base.
Also attacking american space assets will create a real mess, the carriers don't go without a recon pass.
I think everyone underestimates the US armed forces, and they like it that way.
And just as many over estimate US capabilities.
Not for nothing did the Chinese hack the shit out of sooooo many poorly protected US Corporations ... A Thousand Grains Of Sand.
Both China and the Russian Federation ( and by extension some smaller Nation States ) are well aware of what they face in a conventional conflict.
It's a shame that China hasn't claimed New Jersey.
Oh please yes, they can build a wall around it and no more nonsense about bridge traffic.
what? like the italians/french are just lovers, the chinks are just gamblers.. not to worry!
i actually am amazed how tibet has been completely wiped from all modern maps. it started 50 years ago and is now complete.
not only that , but the chinese have effectively destroyed the culture, eliminated the written language, and suppressed most information of this culture ever having existed.
truly--and act of history has occured. and a lineage has been ended.
i've spoken with tibetan cab drivers in new york and they basically say tibet is over. other than a few disgruntled dissidents, the damage is done. a culture destroyed, perhaps to be reborn one day but as something different from what it once was....
and they did it all without missiles!
Yeah, those Chinese are quite clever. You might want to learn Mandarin.
Now change Tibet to White Middle Class, and change Chinese to Jews, then you'll see exactly what has occurred in North America and Europe.
hey nazi islamofacist----go fuck yourself.
Except that the jews aren't doing that. Bankers, many/most of whom happen to be jewish, sure. There is a significant difference.
No matter, the bankers aren't trying to convert or capture us. They just want the wealth. I actaully believe the chinese would be more humane if they win the fight for global dominance.
I don't think anyone is impressed with the current Chinese arms, but with their current resources they COULD build sufficient force to keep the US 1,000 miles away. But why would they want to do that, and cut off their markets and kill their own economy?
Maybe on paper they COULD build a force that could take the Pacific, but again only by impoverishing and/or destroying their trading partners. And that's if we didn't just nuke them to cinders anyway.
I just don't see a game they can and should be playing. OTOH they should build their forces to about triple what they are today, just to play a role in stabilizing world trade, to help share the burden. Lord knows the Eurowienies aren't carrying anywhere near their weight anymore.
OTOH, give them some military and will they just start pushing around the Philippines and such? That would be really crude and stupid. And looks like just what they are going to do. I just don't know about people, sometimes.
OTOH they should build their forces to about triple what they are today, just to play a role in stabilizing world trade, to help share the burden. Lord knows the Eurowienies aren't carrying anywhere near their weight anymore.
Lulz. And what 'weight' would that be? The 'weight' of fending off the terrrrrrists?
How did USA break Soviet Union? There were no missiles exchanged where there?
The Chinese military comprises of 1.65 million strong and 1 aircraft carrier. Oh, and the other 1 billion strong and the air force we're supposed to be so blind about.
yawn: Still no heavy lift capabilities to speak of.
Having something and making it work properly and reliably are two different things. Making it work thousands of miles away is yet another. This shit takes time, money, discipline, practice and expertise. As we all know 'Murica" has had a bit of practice.
Note that the almost all the 'bolt-holes' advocated by mouthpieces for the oligarchs (like Simon Black) are well within the range of China's land-launched ICBMs. And then there's those 5 nuke subs.
Obama and the Globalists will protect us.
YeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaa.
Vote for Hillary in the 2016 elections if you really want to be safe.
I'm going round and round I'm going up and down. I'm jumping for joy. We're going to have a Global Village - bitchez..
Maybe if they keep buying up the USA, they wont want to bomb it.....
Maybe if they keep buying up the USA, they wont want to bomb it.....
Nothing we can't solve with a lil printing right....? Yellen..?
I need to get me one of those.. http://visdiaz.com/printing-press.jpg
All is fair in love and war. If you can get your enemy to expose themselves to your "full faith and credit," they are stupid and deserve to be abused for our amusement. I seem to recall W reading a book called 'SALT." I would suggest the Chinese read the book on "How to Create Fresh Water." I also wonder what the impact of Fukushima has been on their seafood industry.
China's military would encounter significant logistical challenges in trying to project military beyond their borders for extended length of time. Their tradition is to play defense. Offensive operations are more risky, and rumor has it that most plans fly out the window the minute the first bullets fly.
Fresh water, radiation and potential social unrest are three pressing issues for Chinese powers that be. On the other hand, maybe the overpopulation issue will subside.
And this is 'relevant' how? Wait, wait. don't tell me...
The only super-power to NOT have imperial ambitions outside its country, is now a "threat", whereas the only major power to be at war with at least one country at any given time and also the only to actually have used nukes -- USA -- is "not" a threat to world peace?
Yeah, right.
China is not a threat.
The Western oligarchs are.
Many 'China this, China that' articles lately.
The weekend they declared the no-fly zone, local Asian news (out of Hong Kong?) reported the Chinese were positioning a $1B deep water drilling platform. Japan sure ripped in WW2 for natural resources and this seems the same. Story seems to be under the water, not in the air.
The USS George Washington has patrolled the China sea for quite awhile. The guided missile they built a few years ago, the one that flies 15 ft. over sea level, was the overt threat.
I would hazard a guess there have been off-the-shelf battle plans for this for 40 plus years. The 2T we owe them my keep their trigger fingers a bit stiff...besides, it would be fun to smelt all that armor on the Pakistani border as a going back home gift. Let them steal some depleted uranium secrets.
1) Read this
2) Poop your pants
3) Contribute more tax dollars for armageddon
4) Happily forego all civil liberties in the face of yellow menace.
5) Repeat
This is nothing to get your nethers in a twist about one way or another...