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Obama On The Merits Of Pot Versus Booze, Summarized In A Cartoon

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Apparently fully content with the state of the economy, America's foreign affairs in pristine shape requiring none of the president's attention, and no golf course left untouched, Obama reverted to more important things over the weekend. Like the relative merits of pot and booze.



CNN summarized it as follows: "Marijuana, which is still placed in the same category as heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms by the federal government, is no more dangerous than alcohol, President Barack Obama said in an interview published Sunday. Speaking to New Yorker editor David Remnick, Obama said he still viewed pot smoking negatively – but that on the whole, the drug wasn’t the social ill that it’s been viewed as in the past."

“As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don’t think it is more dangerous than alcohol,” Obama told the weekly magazine.


The president said pot was actually less dangerous than alcohol “in terms of its impact on the individual consumer.”

So, when it comes to the annals of presidential soundbites, FDR has "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself",  Teddy Roosevelt has "Speak softly and carry a big stick", JFK has "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country", Harry Truman is in there with "The buck stops here", Ronald Reagan has "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government ans I'm here to help", and now Obama entered the history books with "I don't think pot is more dangerous than alcohol."

But why read about it: here is a cartoon made by the Taiwanese animators which in 75 seconds tells you all you need to know, not the least of which is why America has fully succeeded in becoming the laughing stock of the world.


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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:42 | 4348643 Cult_of_Reason
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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:45 | 4348650 slaughterer
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The fact that Obama is a self-admitted pot-head is the only thing I like about him.  Please ZH: do not take that last likeable personality trait from my perception of him.  

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:52 | 4348669 williambanzai7
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Don't get too excited. He thinks smoking pot leads to other forms of hardcore substance abuse, such as fringe blog consumption.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:57 | 4348672 Cult_of_Reason
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Yes, this is exactly what this country needs, more of marijuana users, to solve its problems.

Effects on Life

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In fact, heavy marijuana users generally report lower life satisfaction, poorer mental and physical health, relationship problems, and less academic and career success compared to their peers who came from similar backgrounds. For example, marijuana use is associated with a higher likelihood of dropping out from school. Several studies also associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:57 | 4348682 Bangin7GramRocks
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STOP BEING SUCH A FAGGOT! (And I mean no disrespect to homosexuals)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:07 | 4348717 Skin666
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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:15 | 4348737 macholatte
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Effects on Life.......


has anyone compared the "effects on life" of alcohol abuse coincident with weed?

Just guessing, but I'd say that the entire list could be applicable to young alcoholics.  But that's not a justification for legal pot, comparing evils. Just pointing out the possible propaganda effect.



You can't trust water: Even a straight stick turns crooked in it.

W. C. Fields

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:27 | 4348767 Cult_of_Reason
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Is there a link between marijuana use and mental illness?

The strongest evidence to date suggests a link between cannabis use and psychosis.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:31 | 4348802 WillyGroper
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Really hosed up Louis Armstrong & Willie Nelson and I think they were/are every dayer's.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:34 | 4348816 Cult_of_Reason
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For example, a series of large prospective studies that followed a group of people over time showed a relationship between marijuana use and later development of psychosis.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:11 | 4348940 Herd Redirectio...
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This is about the Gov/Oligarchy choosing winners and losers, same as it ever was.

Grow your own?  Loser.

Have a gov't permit?  Winner.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:41 | 4349040 James_Cole
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Mandartory sentencing for non-violent offences is actually a pretty serious issue, not just for the people locked up but also for the taxpayer.

Obama is 100% right on this issue and it's good for him to talk about it. Still, it's just talk. 

Of all the many things to knock Obama for, this ain't one of them. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:38 | 4349180 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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I actually LIKED what he said here.  It was a very reasonable take on the whole issue.  I wonder if for once in his miserable political career he is speaking for himself and not from his puppetmasters' approved teleprompter script. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:58 | 4349241 Buckaroo Banzai
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Look, let's not deceive ourselves. It is directly in Obama's self-interest to promote marijuana use, and make it legally and morally acceptable. Stick with me here.

There is a reason why conservatives tend to prefer booze, and liberals prefer marijuana. It has to do with how each of these types of people deal with reality.

In my personal experience, I've found chronic marijuana users to be funadamentally disconnected from reality. Some are more profoundly affected than others, but it seems to me that people who smoke regularly have difficulty separating fantasy from reality-- and this overall effect persists even between bong sessions.

Alcohol seems to act in a different manner-- it doesn't change your perception of reality, rather, it deadens you to reality. When people sober up, they see reality again. Of course for those looking to avoid reality, this makes them want to continue drinking, and I think that alcohol physically changes people who chronically abuse it and makes it more addictive than marijuana, and ultimately more destructive physically.

But when it comes to making decisions about politics, I'd say that alcoholics are generally less impaired than marijuana users. Marijuana users just can't connect to reality and live in a fantasy world that makes them very easily manipulated by liberal politicians.

Obama is not just appealing to his base, but he actually relies on his base being unable to separate fantasy from reality. Marijuana helps Obama in this regard.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:58 | 4349256 BellyBrain
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All of the "ills" of cannabis usage come from ABUSING it, as in using it on a daily basis.  People who "need" to be high all the time are in for a lot of problems, just like people who "need" to start drinking at lunch time in order to make it through their day.

Moral of the story:  Have a little MJ on the weekend, then take care of your life the rest of the time.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:11 | 4349303 James_Cole
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Yeah, it's called using drugs responsibly - has nothing to do with the particular drug. Show up to work drunk and you'll be just as useless as someone blazed at work (probably less useful I would argue).

Heroin, crack, GHB, booze - whatever you happen to like - use in moderation folks. I do try to avoid working with cokeheads though, gawd they're annoying and think no one knows they're high.

Hilarious reading Banzai talk about potheads vs. alcoholics, grandma got hold of the internets again??

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:17 | 4349963 Citxmech
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I'll agree with you RE pot and booze - you lost me a crack and heroin.  I'm not sure there's such thing as a "responsible" meth-head, crack-head or junkie. 

Also, for BB, anyone who "needs" to be fucked-up ALL the time had major problems before they got fucked-up on whatever.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 12:01 | 4351650 fedupwhiteguy
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There never is any "moderation" with herion, crack, or meth. They are extremely addictive and quite destructive to the local community in which the f'd up druggie choose to leach off of.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:18 | 4349346 Buckaroo Banzai
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Sorry, that doesn't square with my personal experience. I'm not talking about the wake-and-bake crowd. I've known people who only get high on the weekends get negatively affected by weed, if they do it long enough, in exactly the way I've described. I've seen the same people lay off the dope for 3 or 4 months and they subsequently tend to make much better decisions.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:42 | 4350067 uplicidlit
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BB - I think you're on to something with your observations. I dated a guy many years ago and we (and friends) partied pretty hard on weekends...alchohol and pot.

After a few of months of that routine I could tell my brain wasn't right during the other 5 days of the week. But I had been drinking for many years prior to that w/o feeling that way.

Having said that, I wouldn't turn down a good doobie if handed one right now.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:54 | 4350328 BellyBrain
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That also brings us to look at the amount used.  The idea of getting shit faced with weed (or alcohol) is a form of abusing the substance.  Most people, even if they only use MJ on the weekends, consume a huge amount of it relative to how much it takes to illicit an effect in the brain. 

Smaller amounts, just enough to create the right kind of "head space" is a much better way to go, and the person won't feel a difference or slow down in their brain a day or two later.

Many people can have a great experience with one or two hits, and then enjoy how it unfolds.  However in a party situation, most people end up having 5-6 hits and feeling the after-effects of that overuse of the substance.  This is similar to how a person can have a great night by drinking 3-4 drinks and feel good the next day, but if they have 6-7 drinks they're going to have a bitch of a hangover.

Moderation and sensibility are immensely important, especially when dealing with brain-altering substances. 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:35 | 4366253 Roger Knights
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I agree. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:07 | 4349295 Disenchanted
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I strive to be disconected from your(BB) reality...without weed.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:38 | 4350051 StychoKiller
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Sorry, but alcohol is TOXIC!  (Hence the phrase "intoxicated!")

It's pretty much physically impossible to consume enough weed to poison yerself.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:15 | 4350202 lewietheparrot
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Pothead zombie or alcohol zombie

they are still zombies

disconnected from reality

voted for clinton 2x

voted for bush 2x

voted for obama 2x

that is really disconnected

Please keep them in the US  

they are yours!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:38 | 4348836 macholatte
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time to get real folks.......

...... the banksters have decided that it's time to get into the pot business. From now on you will be seeing more and more political BS about relaxing the prohibitions on weed. Within a year there will be legislation on the table.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:48 | 4348856 Cult_of_Reason
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Its more about tax revenue for the bankrupt state governments (alcohol and tobacco taxes are not enough anymore, they need to tax cannabis).

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:57 | 4348888 BLOTTO
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The big reason - imo - that 'they' dont want us to smoke pot is because they are worried that it will create independent thinking and open our 3rd eye to the fucking horseshit illusion(s) that are going on!!!


Obviously i have a lot of different friends, from various backgrounds, wage earnings, demographics - whatever...that like to smoke pot -and i would say at least 75% are open to the idea of the manipulations, perversions, conspiracy, hoodwinking, lies - that are plaguing and going on on this planet.


Also, based on the research i have done, it shows the various health - yes - health benefits of consuming marijuana.


And on that note - im completely baked.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:58 | 4348901 Skateboarder
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"Shut up son, you only got two eyes."

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:13 | 4348946 Herd Redirectio...
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LOL, sounds like you've had this conversation before.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:20 | 4348975 Skateboarder
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And many more too. :)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:01 | 4348909 trader1
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:03 | 4348918 SafelyGraze
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""Marijuana, which is still placed in the same category as heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms by the federal government, is no more dangerous than alcohol"

left out the rest of the quote

".. and as we partner together to make heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms part of ordinary commerce and retail consumption, let us not neglect to include marijuana in that important effort."

not to neglect the soma

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:26 | 4348984 The_Dude
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The government incoherency never fails to impress me.......

Continue to expand the welfare net at my expense while continuing to introduce new pathways to place people into it (ie. drugs, immigrants, obesity, lifestyle choices....etc....).....

     Makes you wonder if they are trying to destroy us......hmmmmm

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4349046 James_Cole
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Continue to expand the welfare net at my expense while continuing to introduce new pathways to place people into it.

Yeah, 'cept the most serious drug users I know are all filthy rich (cocaine ain't that cheap). 

And without question most of my colleagues drink far beyond reasonable limits, yes alcohol is a drug. 

Perhaps it's not the drugs?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:37 | 4349857 acetinker
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James, I think you and The Dude are both lost in the tall weeds, but when you present with a cogent thought, I'll agree.  Green it is.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:34 | 4349015 Cocomaan
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There's a strong, demonstrated link between alcohol and psychosis.


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:32 | 4349843 acetinker
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W. C. Fields was a comedic genius.  He was the definition of irreverance.  Nothing was sacred.  He was probably the prototype for "Archie Bunker" but in Carrol O'Connor's time, he could not go where Fields went.  Damn, I'm old.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:55 | 4350111 Rusty Shorts
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:44 | 4350298 acetinker
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Lest we forget his (sometimes) sidekick, Mae West: "A good man is hard to find- a hard man is even better".  Think about that for a sec, and realize that the modern metrosexual is antithetical to what women really want.  My head hurts. I think I'll just go lay down, now.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:21 | 4348762 Gringo Viejo
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@Bangin7: The eloquent and thoughtful response one would expect of a doper.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:34 | 4348821 tickhound
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Nice to see "freedom" lovers such as yourself come out to support your own version of it.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:42 | 4348846 Bangin7GramRocks
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Doper? What a square! Are you Mike Brady?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:09 | 4350171 acetinker
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Sean Hannity.  He just didn't realize where he was, 'til now.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:47 | 4350085 Rusty Shorts
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U.S. Patent 6630507


The U.S. Patent Office issued patent #6630507 to the U.S.Health and Human Services filed on 2/2/2001. The patent lists the use of certain cannabinoids found within the cannabis sativa plant as useful in certain neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and HIV dementia.


US Patent 6,630,507  Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants 

"Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia. Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention."
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:59 | 4348684 Ban KKiller
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Did you read the NIDA report at all? Are you a bank lover too? Gonna tell us all how the banking crime is OK and good for us? Bet you work for an outfit that makes money from jailing pot heads...yes?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:03 | 4348703 maskone909
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7gramrocks and bankiller need to cut back on their mota a little ;)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:51 | 4350520 Obese-Redneck
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But don't you really feel bad for all the born again wackos in CO who moved there to be in gods country,? Now they have gay marriage and legal weed, LOLOLOLOL

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:00 | 4348689 maskone909
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Lmfao hahaha marijuana is the "redpill" so to speak. +1

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:58 | 4348898 Tall Tom
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No. Marijuana keeps you in an altered state, an illusion. The Red Pill leads you to the Truth.


But the Truth is abysmal. It is very bad. It is horrifying.


Marijuana helps those who cannot handle the Truth and anesthetizes them. It is a tranquilizer and takes the edge off of their anger.


I have watched far too many in angst sit down and take that Bong Hit. Then all of the sudden they are in a relaxed and sedated state.


No. They are not ready to deal with the truth. They do not want that Red Pill. They opt to take the Blue Pill instead.


I am not writing that you need be restricted from choosing that path. But I am writing to tell you that you are deluding yourself and are still connected to the Matrix.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:02 | 4348913 trader1
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you, sir, obviously have never ingested, smoked, or vaped cannabis.


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:18 | 4348967 Tall Tom
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In the day I have smoked my share...and yours.


Now if you want me to write about LSD and Shrooms...I used to teach Physics...on Acid.


That was Decades ago.


So please tell me all about what I do not know.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:38 | 4349033 trader1
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my bad, i had you painted for someone else ;-)


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:52 | 4349905 acetinker
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So, some percentage of these young, completely fucked-up in the head X-ers are your fault?  Thanks, Tom.  I'm fuckin' with ya', K?

Seriously though, your tone in other comments indicates you've been victim to some kind of "intervention".  If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance.

It's a lot like ex-smokers who make it a point to complain about my bad habit.  It's also a lot like religious converts.

Know what I mean?

If I can't help ya', rest assured I'll never purposefully hurt ya'.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:44 | 4350074 StychoKiller
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Are you aware that the Earth "breathes?"  (Time to kiss the sky...)

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:12 | 4350968 -NaN-
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Dr. Leary, is that you!?  I was in your class!

(I actually did take a geometry final on half a hit of acid once, got an A-, no shit)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:23 | 4348985 Crash Overide
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Obama is more dangerous than marijuana and alcohol...



In addition to the fist post in this thread about privacy I would like to add the following tools:

1. I2P

2. Peerblock

3. Pirate TOR Browser or

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:05 | 4349947 acetinker
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My youngest daughter got me a vaper for my birthday.  I ain't used it much.  You tellin' me I can use it to get that ol' buzz, legally?

Shiiaat!  My children are wonderful!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:02 | 4348915 BLOTTO
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With me and my friends - the conversation and the ideas never stop...unless its to roll another joint.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:35 | 4349017 Tall Tom
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And all of those disjointed ideas, and all of those words, and all of the convoluted thoughts fail to lead to any action whatsoever....other than loading the next bong hit.


Then please tell me all about what I do not know.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:46 | 4350079 StychoKiller
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Looking for fish amongst the treetops will get you nowhere.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:40 | 4349035 maskone909
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No. Marijuana keeps you in an altered state, an illusion. 

keeps YOU, as in YOUR unique experience shouldnt generalize and assume YOUR experience on a substance is exactly like everyone else.

The original post i was responding to was a toungue in cheek way of saying marijuana will sabotage the economic system we have in place.  economics and finance are the context of this website.  so most of the viewers and posters enjoy thinking purely in those terms, as i do.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:00 | 4349084 Tall Tom
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Fair enough. I did not understand your context.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:09 | 4349096 maskone909
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No harm no foul

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 10:51 | 4351459 FrankDrakman
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I would recommend that you refrain from extrapolating your set of experiences to all users. The one thing I can say for certain about pot is it does NOT sedate me. If I take two hits from a bong at 10 pm, I'm not sleeping until 3 or 4 am at the earliest. (which is why I only smoke on Friday or Saturday nights; I have to work, and I can't get by on 4 hours sleep like I did in my 20s).

And I would say that in my experience, and that of some other people, pot enhances certain sensory phenomena. Music, for example, sounds better, and touch is certainly more sensitive. My new GF and I like to smoke on Friday night, and then hit the sack. The experience there is quite different from what I enjoy while straight. Hours of kissing and foreplay, very little actual 'coitus' (to use the Sheldon-esque term), and while the big O may or may not happen for me, it's almost immaterial, as we spend literally hours in a state of combined bliss. I now understand what Bob Marley and the Rastas were talking about when they called pot a 'sacrament'; we share such a closeness that we have (half-joking, but only half!) called it the "Church of Us".

Please note that this is not the result of this being the first time I've combined the two; when in university, I did a lot of pot and a lot of women, often at the same time, and never felt the extreme wonder I do now. But my current GF is very special to me, and I think because we truly love and respect each other, pot helps us take sex beyond our former limits.

As noted in my first sentence, YMMV, but I certainly feel pot doesn't make me sleepy; rather, it makes many sensations more intense and exciting.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:03 | 4348698 andrewp111
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Perhaps the report confuses cause and effect for many of these things. If your life sucks, you might as well be stoned.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:26 | 4349136 nmewn
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That's probably closer to the truth.

"Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In fact, heavy marijuana users generally report lower life satisfaction, poorer mental and physical health, relationship problems, and less academic and career success compared to their peers who came from similar backgrounds."

Heavy pot users who are successful would not admit to using "heavilly"...if at all, for fear of becoming unsuccessful and/or kicked out of school. The funny thing is, some of these "heavy users" went on to become CEO's, senators, presidents, astronauts, poets, engineers, inventors, doctors, lawyers etc...really screwed up society fo sho.

"For example, marijuana use is associated with a higher likelihood of dropping out from school. Several studies also associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover."

Yes, the state certainly needs "its students" to stay in school, to recieve the full dose of government propaganda & indoctrination to become good little worker bees...docile, compliant, tax paying citizens.

I guess it all depends on how one envisions structuring their own lives.

But maybe I just have some sorta unresolved psychosis going on and need to see a shrink or smoke a doobie ;-)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:03 | 4349276 Buckaroo Banzai
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It all depends on how you define "success". I've known people who are EXTREMELY successful in business who hit the bong daily.

BUT. In other aspects of their lives, they are complete train wrecks.

I can't name a single person I know who does weed regularly at any age who has their entire life in balance.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:57 | 4349499 nmewn
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I can name three off the top of my head, all good friends and all good people.

All have homes, all have jobs, all are married, all never quit smoking weed since they were in high school and I'm not sure its possible for anyone to ever have their entire life in balance or could be happy & serene if they did...its not a natural state of being for

Disclaimer: I quit because of the hassle involving my career in having to constantly hide it. Your private life should be yours, not your employers or governments or anyone elses.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:06 | 4348713 algol_dog
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All thins being equal, I'd rather have our kids dropping out then dropping dead in Afghanistan. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:50 | 4349059 maskone909
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i gave you a -1 because all things are not equal.  we have been conditioned to think we only have two choices.  this is your wake up call.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:06 | 4348715 ArrestBobRubin
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Well! A .gov "source", eh? Way to dig for the good stuff...

Are you sure those effects actually aren't from watching TV or consuming Aspartame, GMO-laced food, and flouridated water? Maybe the effects of omnipresent smart phone and WiFi microwave pollution?

Funny how I don't ever see .gov studies on those things.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:25 | 4348782 Cult_of_Reason
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:33 | 4348814 WillyGroper
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DDT is good for me.

Now we can add 2-4-D.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:46 | 4348859 Herd Redirectio...
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Wrong, DDT is good for killing mosquitoes, and stopping the spread of malaria, among other mosquito-borne illnesses.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:09 | 4349099 WillyGroper
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:16 | 4348742 KickIce
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So substitute alcohol for marijuana and you can make the exact same case.

Give TOTUS some credit, he might actually be right this time.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:18 | 4348747 Gringo Viejo
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@Cult_of_Reason: Don't bother trying to push an anti-marijuana view @ ZH. Too many dopers w/ laptops living in their parents' basements w/ nothing better to do.
You're right though. Know a guy who's 38 years old, smokes pot every few hours, works as a security guard, and has gone as far as he's gonna go in life. Sad fuckin' shit.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:45 | 4348853 tickhound
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And so where was he supposed "to go in life" .. According to you and your vision.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:25 | 4348996 grgy
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Liberals - Many think marijuana is very bad.  Don't want anyone to use it.

Conservatives - Most think marijuana is very bad.  Don't want anyone to use it.

Libertarians - Could care less if it's good or bad. May choose or choose not to use it. Don't really care what others do. It's called FREEDOM.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:11 | 4349322 Buckaroo Banzai
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You are exactly right. However, we can certainly discuss the long-term effects that various drugs have on individuals, and society. Actions have consequences, and drugs like booze and weed-- even though many many many people use them-- have real long-term consequences.

Step one is removing government force from the equation.

But step two is being honest with ourselves about what these drugs actually do to us.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:51 | 4350096 StychoKiller
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I agree with Timothy Leary:  "LSD should be a sacrament."

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:47 | 4349024 Citxmech
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Between my wife and I, we hold 7 degrees including a two BAs, a BS, an MA, an MS, a JD, and a PhD., we're both gainfully employed at jobs that pay well, are both published (scientific journals and law review), and we own two properties including a 17 acre farm out in the country that we're in the process of rehabbing for a new business.  

The devil's weed has obviously destroyed our ambition, any work ethic we would have had, and otherwise ruined our lives.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:08 | 4349302 Buckaroo Banzai
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Typical stoner logic.

You have too many fucking degrees, and obviously stayed in school far too long.

I wonder where you'd be if you'd moved on with your life a little sooner, instead of staying mired in academia, which as it is constituted here in the USA, is largely a complete waste of time.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 19:07 | 4349532 Citxmech
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Ha ha.  Please define "waste of time."   Where do you think we "should" be?  Are the years I spent minoring in art and music a waste of time too?  Where do your standards of what's worthwhile come from?

We are some pretty darn happy people, actually.  I don't think my wife or I ever felt "mired" in academia.  We both love learning - and applying that learning to the real world too.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:07 | 4349952 Citxmech
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As an aside, I wonder if you wouldn't have said the same thing if I told you I was a high school dropout w/no GED (also true btw).  As a former trade worker in a highly regulated field that required frequent random drug tests (I was completely clean the entire 10+ years I worked in that industry, btw) I can say without reservation, that pot use, or lack of use, never helped or hurt my prospects or achievement. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:08 | 4349306 Dinero D. Profit
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Exams at Harvard Law School require four to six hours.  I concentrate best with a buzz on.  Every hour I'd step out for a toke.

My diploma said 'cum laude.' 

How do you kike that!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:13 | 4349325 Buckaroo Banzai
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"How do you kike that!"

That was the funniest inadvertant humor I've heard in a while.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:37 | 4349433 Dinero D. Profit
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Sorry about the kike typo.  I was lighting a doobie while typing.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:57 | 4349073 Tall Tom
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Who appointed you as the judge about what the Security Guard chooses to do?


Is he a burden upon you in any manner or form?


Does he leech from the Government?


Is he responsible to himself and for those he is supposed to be responsible for?


If he is no burden upon you, is responsible for himself and his dependents, and is not a member of the FSA then what business is it of yours?


Now if you are PAYING FOR IT then that is another question. Why are you supporting it?


But if it does not cost you anything, and if he is pursuing his FREEDOM to choose ENSLAVEMENT to the Drug Addiction then that is HIS CHOICE.


I asked a Libertarian, one time, since he believed in volunteerism, was it okay if someone chose to be enslaved to the state. (I am a Libertarian.)


So I am asking you. Is it okay for someone else to choose to be a slave? Are people free to choose to be slaves?


Now my answer is that it is okay for someone else to make that choice but don't expect me to pay for it.






Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:23 | 4348772 Agstacker
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Try replacing the word marijuana with alcohol.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:28 | 4348794 WillyGroper
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From a .gov site? 

I get the same symptoms from reading ZH, so WTF.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:51 | 4348877 OldE_Ant
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lmfao.  So you'd rather have incarcerated pot heads?

As to your 'facts' from a .gov source.  The same source that said:

Aspertame has no negative effects.

That WMD's were in IRAQ.

That Agent Orange had no negative consequences on the enviroment as well as the 'dispersants' used in the Gulf.

That GMOs are good for you AND bonus that if your a farmer and you get the polluting sperm/germ in your plants that guess what it's your fault.

That dumping in the oceans produces no harmful effects.

That global warming, climate change IS real and we need to do something about it vs. what really needs addressing unsustainable human population growth as well as lifestyles.

That unemployment is 6% vs. 12%.


As to marijuana use.  I'm glad to see that it is the new gateway to becoming president.  Agreed with others.  There are far more 'dangers' in our food chains that create more problems with depression, and illness leading to disability than marijuana.  (ALCHOL for one, TOBACCO for two, processed SUGAR for another)

Oh and in case I forget.  Cannibinol the (or one of the) primary active ingredient in Marijuana as far as many I know who need/use it can tell is the most effective, and safe anti-nausea med around (hands down) and you don't even need to get high or smoke for it to work effectively.   To top it off Marijuana as used for fiber - far stronger, more durable and less nutrient and water intensive to produce than cotton.   

If it was legal we could tax it.  The paranoia and associated negative hype around it is one of the many classic illustrations of how our government is fucked up and has zero interest in the truth or doing what is best for citizens.   Alchol, cigarettes being legal is the perfect counter example to anyone who says the government does what is best for the people with regards to 'health'.



Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:30 | 4348956 Citxmech
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That site is a joke.  Not one citation to be found.  Who was the author?  What are their credentials?  JFC.   I recomment starting with searches on or if you want better places to source research. 
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:02 | 4349272 Dinero D. Profit
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Yes, this is exactly what this country needs, more of marijuana users, to solve its problems.

I call bullshit on this.  I call horse cuck on it too.  Further on it, I call on it donkey drop, cow pies, cat pew and dog dooty.

The Netherlands, for most practical purposes, has legal pot.  The culture/society is unpeturbed.  Kids attending school think it is un-cool to smoke herb.

The USSA -pot has been continually and readily available since the 60's.






Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:46 | 4354037 phaesed
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hah.... how ignorant. The government outlaws it and needs proof. Like these numbers aren't faked or assumed either? I've got a full time job, college education, never miss work, never required workmans comp, never took unemployment checks. Oh I'm the outlier? Think again.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:59 | 4348676 hedgeless_horseman
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On a budget?  Want to check out from life's problems for a while?

Alcohol affects the mind for hours, THC affects the mind for weeks.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:00 | 4348688 Ban KKiller
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REALLY? I want some of THAT shit, now! Gonna go get a a minute...too stoned...peace man. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:08 | 4348714 Skateboarder
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One of life's ironies is anti-propagandists who are too propagandized to know the difference. It is you. It is me. (well maybe not you and me in this particular case, I think we're on the right path)

No one wants to own up to it though. False perception of admission as weakness.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:12 | 4348724 hedgeless_horseman
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  • Alcohol is gone within 24 hours.

Regarding pot...

  • One Time User may show positive for 1-6 days
  • Moderate User may show positive for 7-13 days
  • Frequent User may show positive for 15 or more days
  • Heavy User may show positive for 30 or more days
  • Some Heavy Pot Smokers have reported being positive 45-90 days after quitting

Treatment centers report that Marijuana users require the longest detox of all drug users.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:13 | 4348735 oddjob
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Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is a life sentence.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:17 | 4348745 spooz
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"While it is true that THC and other cannabinoids are fat-soluble and linger in the body for prolonged periods, they do not normally affect behavior beyond a few hours except in chronic users. Most impairment studies have found that the adverse effects of acute marijuana use wear off in 2-6 hours, commonly faster than alcohol.1 The one notable exception was a pair of flight simulator studies by Leirer, Yesavage, and Morrow, which reported effects on flight simulator performance up to 24 hours later.2 The differences, described by Leirer as "very subtle" and "very marginal," were less than those due to pilot age. Another flight simulator study by the same group failed to find any effects beyond 4 hours.3 Similar "hangover" effects have been noted for alcohol.4

Chronic users may experience more prolonged effects due to a build-up of cannabinoids in the tissues. Some heavy users have reported feeling effects weeks or even months after stopping. However, there is no evidence that these are detrimental to safety."

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:37 | 4348756 hedgeless_horseman
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People can get as high, low, or drunk as they need to, but not in my home or while working for me.  Additionally, I prefer my airline pilots, surgeons, children's teachers, school bus drivers, employees, nuclear power plant operators, and accountants clean and sober.  The same goes for the guy driving the 18 wheeler behind my wife's car on the highway.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:37 | 4348833 WillyGroper
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Gotta respect that.

The self policing medical establishment should scare the cornbread hell out of ya.

That is if you know the ones to avoid.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:42 | 4349194 Tall Tom
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You know how to find a good doctor? Go to your Doctor and ask who they see. That will be a good doctor. They are in the trade so they know who is competent and who is not.


Did you know that they call the person who graduates at the very top of the Medical School class a Validictorian? The person who comes in Second Place is the Salutatorian.

Dis you know that they call the person who graduates at the very BOTTOM of their Medical School Class, DOCTOR, the very same title as they call the person who graduates in Third Place. Amazing ain't it?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:37 | 4348834 AchtungAffen
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I'd rather have those people being pot users than alcohol frequents.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:48 | 4348869 Herd Redirectio...
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How about addicted to painkillers and anti-depressants, or even better, opiates?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:30 | 4349147 Tall Tom
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How about having them clean and sober as HH suggested instead of formulating False Dillemas. The Airline Pilots, Truckers, and others whom may impact other people's lives in profound ways need not be on Drugs or Alcohol.


OPIATE USE, even prescribed, DISQUALIFIES AIRPLANE PILOTS, and TRUCKERS. Marijuana Use, even if it is for Medical Purposes does likewise. Alcohol is a major problem with Truckers and Pilots using it. They lose their Licenses when caught.


I do not want my Surgeon stoned and forget that he left a Hemostat in my body, or, forget to sew off a major vein. That might lead to my subsequent death in the worst case or an unnecessary surgery in the best case. I do not want him drunk and remove my left side healthy kidney rather that my right side diseased kidney. That would lead to a poor result.


As for Schoolteachers??? Well that is personal Preference. Many of my High School Teachers were stoned on Pharmaceuticals or Drunk. (I went to a Private High School and that was the case.) Of course we got stoned as we passed the One Hitter Hash Pipe around in class.


One time, as the World History Teacher was known to drink her Irish Coffee, we added lab grade phenolphthalein (main ingredient of Ex Lax) to her coffee as we knew it to be soluble in alcohol. She went home early that day.


When we threw paper airplanes in class it was a little different as we lit ours on fire. After I had left that school it burned down.


So maybe the teachers should not be getting drunk and stoned. (But I will wager that many of your College Professors were...)


I can understand Hedgeless Horseman's preferences on this. I can agree with them.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:10 | 4348928 tickhound
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I wouldn't let a drunk hillbilly fly my plane either. And no way he's setting foot in my house... Certainly not without his warrant. I don't get your point.

And why such a hard-on for a monitored "performance ready" human wage slave to conduct instruments of precision. Technology doesn't care about some law you wanna write to keep your potentially drunk, stoned, tired, anxious, nervous, cocky, horny pilot from crashing the plane.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:32 | 4349012 maskone909
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so are you stigmatizing alcohol?  youa associate being drunk as something ado with hillbillies?

is marijuana some how hip and cool?  progressive like the prez perhapse?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:21 | 4349110 tickhound
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Actually genius it's POT that's being stimatized here. I'm just highlighting the hypocrisy. And the fact that you make ANY association between what I wrote to "hip or cool" showcases the Pavlovian nature of most arguments.

You'll pavmutt out some "look he's a security guard." He coulda been "so much more." Somehow I believe being PRESIDENT of a GD country wouldn't be enough for you people.

The relationship you drew between hip and cool and tech to pot speaks on something to your instincts but that's another story... Although I do see you're on the right track when you unwittingly associated "creativity" in there.

You wanna write laws. I want to solve problems. People crash planes. People crash planes particularly more often when drunk... Or stoned... Or tired... Or nervous about their GD pension cuts.

My conclusion is people crash planes. A real solution can begin to take shape once you release your "instinct to maintain a CAREER field" and instead try to minimize his role and eventually eliminate any dependency on him. Let's actually HOPE to get him the fuck out of the cockpit. Gawd forbid.

But see that doesn't fit in your pre-programmed list of solutions in a wage slave economy. You wanna write laws. I want to solve problems.

But this is probably all lost on you. We've been so conditioned to accept a "by the sweat of the brow" solution that a perfect world to you people is finding a better hamster. In your world the hamster must run the wheel... It the ONLY thing that could possibly give him purpose.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:27 | 4349137 maskone909
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For someone who accuses others of stereotyping and generalizing, YOU sure use alot of "YOU's" in YOUR accusatory response.
Please note that i do not advocate banning anything. Getting the feeling i am wasting my time when i have to rebuttal conjecture an missinterpreted remarks. Please read carefully before you spout off like a godamned child.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:36 | 4349178 tickhound
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So that's it? And I was hoping for "so much more."

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:41 | 4349199 maskone909
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You get what you give. Sorry to let you down. And to think you were going to plug All of that shit you learned in general psych. Again sorry for "the let down"

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:09 | 4349311 grgy
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OK H_H, you can make some sense when you really try. Just stay away from the argument that alcohol is the better choice or legalizing pot will lead to crazed airline pilots.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:31 | 4349157 Urban Redneck
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The ass clowns at NORML need to lay off the stuff for a while (and Alison Smiley needs some better shit... or revocation of her publishing privileges, but perhaps she just didn't know where to find the good stuff or how to smoke it back then, the 80's were a weird decade).

There are better ways to make the argument that weed isn't any worse than booze

Or if you don't like the .gov

The bottom line is that people under the influence of any drug which impairs their ability (and both alcohol and weed most certainly do, along with much of the ever growing pharmacopoeia) should not be operating vehicles and potentially endangering others.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:24 | 4348780 Agstacker
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Nobody has ever died going thru withdrawl on pot.  Alcohol on the other hand...

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:27 | 4348785 El Tuco
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Fine paper dust never leaves your lungs. Ask a postal worker with COPD.

Tobacco stays with you for years and causes every ailment imaginable.

Fluoride in your drinking water is bad for you. God only knows what the fuck it is doing to us.

Ask 2 million + Chinese a year what pollution is doing? Well too late they're dead.

Prescription pills are the 4th leading cause of death in the USA.


Seriously, I appreciate your comments and opinion but you are so wrong on this.



Don't smoke or do any drugs.


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:01 | 4348887 hedgeless_horseman
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Fine paper dust, COPD, tobacco, fluoride, drinking water, Chinese pollution, prescription pills... 


...comments and opinion but you are so wrong on this.

I am having a hard time following your logic.  Please try and focus.  How are my comments related to any of these things?  What, exactly, am I so wrong about?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:59 | 4349080 El Tuco
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I just found the underlying tone of your comments suggest that weed is so much more harmful to ones health when compared to everything else.

There are a lot of other things out there causing more harm to more people than weed. Even things that seem harmless as paper have been the cause of suffering for a postal worker, filling his lungs with fine dust.

Typically I can agree with most of your posts but when it comes to pot it's like I am reading something posted by the Alcohol and Tobacco lobby.....

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:28 | 4348789 Lion In a Sidecar
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I'm not sure how any of that figures into anything.  You do what you want with your body and I'll do what I want with mine.

Remember liberty?

Of course true liberty requires people to deal with the outcomes of their shitty decisions on their own.


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:49 | 4348820 hedgeless_horseman
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I'm not sure how any of that figures into anything.

Well, this article, like most, has a thing called a title.  It is located at the top of the article.

Obama On The Merits Of Pot Versus Booze...

Quite plainly, one should comprehend that the duration of the effect of these mind-changing chemicals figures directly into the merits, whatever they may be, if any. Many people use mind changing chemicals to avoid life's problems, numbing themselves rather than dealing with them.  When considering this choice to anesthetize one's own mind, many people, such as the President of the United States, apparently feel that pot is better than booze.  Duration of the anesthetic effect may be one of the reasons for the preference.

I hope this helps.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:09 | 4348933 trader1
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what about the people who use psychedelics to expand consciousness (or create art)?



drugs have done good things for us.

-bill hicks


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:16 | 4348959 hedgeless_horseman
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What about them?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:37 | 4349029 trader1
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you implied that people who use drugs want to "avoid life's problems."

i would say that isn't always the case, especially with cannabis - which actually enhances sensory experience.  

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:11 | 4349102 Herd Redirectio...
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If you're an enhancement smoker, any way.  Tip of the hat, to Jon Stewart's character from Half-Baked!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:40 | 4349193 Lion In a Sidecar
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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:34 | 4349424 Dinero D. Profit
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FWIW, I toked everyday since I was 18, except for some Fed time at Danbury (with G. Gordon Liddy)  and some further prison time at Elgin AFB (with E. Howard Hunt), but that only amounted to 60 days, but at Elgin you could score some herb between the barracks at night, which I would do.  I am smoking a doobie right now.  Far-out!

I'm 70, fit, on zero medications, financially secure.

And, my veggie garden makes yours look like a piker.

Also, I wouldn't want to visit you. You own too many assault type weapons. You live in fucking Texas.  You have religion and a mickey mouse belief in it.  You want to kill all starving persons who might come to your door, should the SHTF.   

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 10:13 | 4351365 FrankDrakman
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Geez, you really are clueless AND credulous about mj, aren't you? That's a dangerous combination from which to form an opinion.

"Detox" is a nicely unqualified term. Does it mean the time to take to 1) remove all traces of a substance, or 2) remove all EFFECTS of a substance? The times you quoted were for the former, whereas anyone who's smoked pot knows that the effects wear off in a few hours. And any 'one size fits all' level is just blowing, well, smoke.

I drank for years, and was stopped by the police once at 8 AM in the morning after some heavy drinking the night before. I failed the roadside test, so I was brought to the station, where they asked me to do a bunch of co-ordination and mental tests (count backwards from 100 by 17, close your eyes and hold your hands out to your sides then touch your nose, etc., etc.). I passed every single one of them, although the breath test showed me well over the .08 limit. The cop admitted that the only outward sign of intoxication was a slight odor of alcohol on my breath. When I asked the judge "How am I to know that I'm over the limit when I was able to pass all those tests?", he was sympathetic, but fined me anyway. Chronic drinkers apparently become so habituated to alcohol that even though their blood level is two to three times the legal limit, they can still look and respond normally, where a normal person would be falling down drunk. .08 is a legal marker beyond which most, but not all, people are impaired; if you happen to be one of the few that's not affected, tough.

You may choose to be subject to Procrustean legalities; I prefer not to be.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:36 | 4349025 Cocomaan
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Treatment centers report that Marijuana users require the longest detox of all drug users.

Taking the word of "treatment centers" is like taking the word of the big banks: both are cartels created and supported by government.

I'd expect better out of you.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:48 | 4349051 superflex
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No offense HH, but those stats are for a drug test and dont mean the user is under the influence.

THC binds to fat cells, therefore it's ability to be detected up to one month after use.  

Skinny people can pass a drug test after smoking while the fattie who partook with skinny Pete fails miserably.

Bullish on high metabolisms.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 19:37 | 4349642 meltdown
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I am guessing that the "positive" you are talking about is how long law enforcement is deeming you positive.

Their arbitrary standard of so many nanograms per liter is just that. An arbitrary place to start collecting fees and or fines.

I want the chance to legally make my own life descions, with out an "r" or a "d" politician interfering.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:06 | 4350163 StychoKiller
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The damage to yer liver from alcohol is permanent.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 09:58 | 4351324 FrankDrakman
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Without denying that chronic excessive alcohol use does damage your liver, it's a surprisingly resilient organ. The liver can repair most damage.

It can correct many of the problems of years of heavy drinking but ONLY if the drinker stops, and that of course is the big problem.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:01 | 4348694 Hedgetard55
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Tyler, you forgot "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky".


And "Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice and I wont be fooled again".

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:04 | 4348708 oddjob
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The history of alcohol related violence is obvious. Big Distillers and Big brewers want their drug used, not something free.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:13 | 4348734 Fukushima Sam
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Pot enhances what is already there.  If you are a loser then pot will make you a better loser.  If you are a winner then pot will make you a better winner.

And for many of us it is precisely the tool that allows us a glimpse behind the veil that obscures the real world.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:31 | 4348803 Skateboarder
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Your righteous stance is disallowed in this world of eternal judgment.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:57 | 4348894 Herd Redirectio...
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I know from my experience that there are people who latch on to the idea of being a stoner as much as they latch on to smoking mj.  

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:08 | 4348929 Skateboarder
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It's all a matter of how significant you want a reptitive event/undertaking/habit/tradition/philosophy to be in your life. (<- this statement applies to anything and everything)

Balance, moderation, respect.

Apparently these principles are hard to grasp and/or harness for a majority of the population, on the using, abusing, neutral, or criticizing sides.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:47 | 4349052 FrankDrakman
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 Pot enhances what is already there.

Not disagreeing with you, but you brought to mind Bill Cosby's bit about cocaine.

Cokehead: Coke enhances your personality.

Cosby: Yes, but what if you're an asshole?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:24 | 4348773 FrankDrakman
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Waddya talkin' about? That's the only movie where Sean Penn a) was likable, and b) made sense (his speech to Mr. Hand about "my time/our time"). Since then, he's just become another holier than thou, "do as I say, not as I do" hypocritical piece of trash.

Like some others, I lost ten years to alcohol. I'd given up pot because my ex-wife didn't like me using it (because it was illegal, not for any other reason), and the legal bottle cost me jobs, my marriage, and much more. If I'd had the choice between booze and pot, I'd have smoked more, drank less, and probably be happier and healthier today as a result.

Not that I think pot is good for teenagers, but I don't think booze is either. When your brain chemistry is still settling down, it's best not to add any external chemicals to the mix. (Unless, of course, it's Ritalin to turn boys into complacent metrosexuals, for, as we all know, active boys are bad, BAD!) 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:24 | 4348988 maskone909
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i was once forced to sit through I am Sam


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:08 | 4348719 williambanzai7
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Of course, it is absolutely impossible to get addicted to selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:21 | 4348977 maskone909
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if the outcome (error) ALTERNATIVE is hanging yourself or jumping off of a bridge, it might be viewed as acceptable, no? 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:34 | 4350038 williambanzai7
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Some would argue that the SSRIs themselves are a substantial risk factor.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:48 | 4349053 taketheredpill
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And isn't there a growing consensus of Law Enforcement, sorry, First Responders, that agree with legalization?  Current laws are only good for filling up Prison factories.



Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:54 | 4350629 drendebe10
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If you like your pot, you can keep your pot.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:55 | 4348675 Skateboarder
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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:04 | 4348706 williambanzai7
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You might as well just say the internet. I doubt there there is anything unusual about Zero Hedge per se. The problem is the parasitic data sucking business model embedded in the entire Googleplex. No data, no business model. No business model, no IPO. No IPO then you might as well become a Bitcoin derivatives trader or a content generating digital serf.

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