Obama On The Merits Of Pot Versus Booze, Summarized In A Cartoon

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Apparently fully content with the state of the economy, America's foreign affairs in pristine shape requiring none of the president's attention, and no golf course left untouched, Obama reverted to more important things over the weekend. Like the relative merits of pot and booze.

 

 

CNN summarized it as follows: "Marijuana, which is still placed in the same category as heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms by the federal government, is no more dangerous than alcohol, President Barack Obama said in an interview published Sunday. Speaking to New Yorker editor David Remnick, Obama said he still viewed pot smoking negatively – but that on the whole, the drug wasn’t the social ill that it’s been viewed as in the past."

“As has been well documented, I smoked pot as a kid, and I view it as a bad habit and a vice, not very different from the cigarettes that I smoked as a young person up through a big chunk of my adult life. I don’t think it is more dangerous than alcohol,” Obama told the weekly magazine.

 

The president said pot was actually less dangerous than alcohol “in terms of its impact on the individual consumer.”

So, when it comes to the annals of presidential soundbites, FDR has "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself",  Teddy Roosevelt has "Speak softly and carry a big stick", JFK has "Ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country", Harry Truman is in there with "The buck stops here", Ronald Reagan has "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government ans I'm here to help", and now Obama entered the history books with "I don't think pot is more dangerous than alcohol."

But why read about it: here is a cartoon made by the Taiwanese animators which in 75 seconds tells you all you need to know, not the least of which is why America has fully succeeded in becoming the laughing stock of the world.

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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:42 | 4348643 Cult_of_Reason
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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:45 | 4348650 slaughterer
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The fact that Obama is a self-admitted pot-head is the only thing I like about him.  Please ZH: do not take that last likeable personality trait from my perception of him.  

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:52 | 4348669 williambanzai7
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Don't get too excited. He thinks smoking pot leads to other forms of hardcore substance abuse, such as fringe blog consumption.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:57 | 4348672 Cult_of_Reason
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Yes, this is exactly what this country needs, more of marijuana users, to solve its problems.

Effects on Life

Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. In fact, heavy marijuana users generally report lower life satisfaction, poorer mental and physical health, relationship problems, and less academic and career success compared to their peers who came from similar backgrounds. For example, marijuana use is associated with a higher likelihood of dropping out from school. Several studies also associate workers' marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:57 | 4348682 Bangin7GramRocks
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STOP BEING SUCH A FAGGOT! (And I mean no disrespect to homosexuals)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:07 | 4348717 Skin666
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LOL

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:15 | 4348737 macholatte
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Effects on Life.......

 

has anyone compared the "effects on life" of alcohol abuse coincident with weed?

Just guessing, but I'd say that the entire list could be applicable to young alcoholics.  But that's not a justification for legal pot, comparing evils. Just pointing out the possible propaganda effect.

 

 

You can't trust water: Even a straight stick turns crooked in it.

W. C. Fields

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:27 | 4348767 Cult_of_Reason
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Is there a link between marijuana use and mental illness?

The strongest evidence to date suggests a link between cannabis use and psychosis.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana-abuse/there-link-between...

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:31 | 4348802 WillyGroper
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Really hosed up Louis Armstrong & Willie Nelson and I think they were/are every dayer's.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:34 | 4348816 Cult_of_Reason
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For example, a series of large prospective studies that followed a group of people over time showed a relationship between marijuana use and later development of psychosis.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:11 | 4348940 Herd Redirectio...
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This is about the Gov/Oligarchy choosing winners and losers, same as it ever was.

Grow your own?  Loser.

Have a gov't permit?  Winner.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:41 | 4349040 James_Cole
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Mandartory sentencing for non-violent offences is actually a pretty serious issue, not just for the people locked up but also for the taxpayer.

Obama is 100% right on this issue and it's good for him to talk about it. Still, it's just talk. 

Of all the many things to knock Obama for, this ain't one of them. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:38 | 4349180 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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I actually LIKED what he said here.  It was a very reasonable take on the whole issue.  I wonder if for once in his miserable political career he is speaking for himself and not from his puppetmasters' approved teleprompter script. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:58 | 4349241 Buckaroo Banzai
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Look, let's not deceive ourselves. It is directly in Obama's self-interest to promote marijuana use, and make it legally and morally acceptable. Stick with me here.

There is a reason why conservatives tend to prefer booze, and liberals prefer marijuana. It has to do with how each of these types of people deal with reality.

In my personal experience, I've found chronic marijuana users to be funadamentally disconnected from reality. Some are more profoundly affected than others, but it seems to me that people who smoke regularly have difficulty separating fantasy from reality-- and this overall effect persists even between bong sessions.

Alcohol seems to act in a different manner-- it doesn't change your perception of reality, rather, it deadens you to reality. When people sober up, they see reality again. Of course for those looking to avoid reality, this makes them want to continue drinking, and I think that alcohol physically changes people who chronically abuse it and makes it more addictive than marijuana, and ultimately more destructive physically.

But when it comes to making decisions about politics, I'd say that alcoholics are generally less impaired than marijuana users. Marijuana users just can't connect to reality and live in a fantasy world that makes them very easily manipulated by liberal politicians.

Obama is not just appealing to his base, but he actually relies on his base being unable to separate fantasy from reality. Marijuana helps Obama in this regard.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 17:58 | 4349256 BellyBrain
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All of the "ills" of cannabis usage come from ABUSING it, as in using it on a daily basis.  People who "need" to be high all the time are in for a lot of problems, just like people who "need" to start drinking at lunch time in order to make it through their day.

Moral of the story:  Have a little MJ on the weekend, then take care of your life the rest of the time.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:11 | 4349303 James_Cole
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Yeah, it's called using drugs responsibly - has nothing to do with the particular drug. Show up to work drunk and you'll be just as useless as someone blazed at work (probably less useful I would argue).

Heroin, crack, GHB, booze - whatever you happen to like - use in moderation folks. I do try to avoid working with cokeheads though, gawd they're annoying and think no one knows they're high.

Hilarious reading Banzai talk about potheads vs. alcoholics, grandma got hold of the internets again??

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:17 | 4349963 Citxmech
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I'll agree with you RE pot and booze - you lost me a crack and heroin.  I'm not sure there's such thing as a "responsible" meth-head, crack-head or junkie. 

Also, for BB, anyone who "needs" to be fucked-up ALL the time had major problems before they got fucked-up on whatever.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 12:01 | 4351650 fedupwhiteguy
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There never is any "moderation" with herion, crack, or meth. They are extremely addictive and quite destructive to the local community in which the f'd up druggie choose to leach off of.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:18 | 4349346 Buckaroo Banzai
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Sorry, that doesn't square with my personal experience. I'm not talking about the wake-and-bake crowd. I've known people who only get high on the weekends get negatively affected by weed, if they do it long enough, in exactly the way I've described. I've seen the same people lay off the dope for 3 or 4 months and they subsequently tend to make much better decisions.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:42 | 4350067 Blue Boat
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BB - I think you're on to something with your observations. I dated a guy many years ago and we (and friends) partied pretty hard on weekends...alchohol and pot.

After a few of months of that routine I could tell my brain wasn't right during the other 5 days of the week. But I had been drinking for many years prior to that w/o feeling that way.

Having said that, I wouldn't turn down a good doobie if handed one right now.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:54 | 4350328 BellyBrain
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That also brings us to look at the amount used.  The idea of getting shit faced with weed (or alcohol) is a form of abusing the substance.  Most people, even if they only use MJ on the weekends, consume a huge amount of it relative to how much it takes to illicit an effect in the brain. 

Smaller amounts, just enough to create the right kind of "head space" is a much better way to go, and the person won't feel a difference or slow down in their brain a day or two later.

Many people can have a great experience with one or two hits, and then enjoy how it unfolds.  However in a party situation, most people end up having 5-6 hits and feeling the after-effects of that overuse of the substance.  This is similar to how a person can have a great night by drinking 3-4 drinks and feel good the next day, but if they have 6-7 drinks they're going to have a bitch of a hangover.

Moderation and sensibility are immensely important, especially when dealing with brain-altering substances. 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:35 | 4366253 Roger Knights
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I agree. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 18:07 | 4349295 Disenchanted
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I strive to be disconected from your(BB) reality...without weed.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:38 | 4350051 StychoKiller
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Sorry, but alcohol is TOXIC!  (Hence the phrase "intoxicated!")

It's pretty much physically impossible to consume enough weed to poison yerself.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:15 | 4350202 lewietheparrot
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Pothead zombie or alcohol zombie

they are still zombies

disconnected from reality

voted for clinton 2x

voted for bush 2x

voted for obama 2x

that is really disconnected

Please keep them in the US  

they are yours!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:38 | 4348836 macholatte
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time to get real folks.......

...... the banksters have decided that it's time to get into the pot business. From now on you will be seeing more and more political BS about relaxing the prohibitions on weed. Within a year there will be legislation on the table.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:48 | 4348856 Cult_of_Reason
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Its more about tax revenue for the bankrupt state governments (alcohol and tobacco taxes are not enough anymore, they need to tax cannabis).

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:57 | 4348888 BLOTTO
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The big reason - imo - that 'they' dont want us to smoke pot is because they are worried that it will create independent thinking and open our 3rd eye to the fucking horseshit illusion(s) that are going on!!!

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Obviously i have a lot of different friends, from various backgrounds, wage earnings, demographics - whatever...that like to smoke pot -and i would say at least 75% are open to the idea of the manipulations, perversions, conspiracy, hoodwinking, lies - that are plaguing and going on on this planet.

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Also, based on the research i have done, it shows the various health - yes - health benefits of consuming marijuana.

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And on that note - im completely baked.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:58 | 4348901 Skateboarder
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"Shut up son, you only got two eyes."

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:13 | 4348946 Herd Redirectio...
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LOL, sounds like you've had this conversation before.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:20 | 4348975 Skateboarder
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And many more too. :)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:01 | 4348909 trader1
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:03 | 4348918 SafelyGraze
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""Marijuana, which is still placed in the same category as heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms by the federal government, is no more dangerous than alcohol"

left out the rest of the quote

".. and as we partner together to make heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms part of ordinary commerce and retail consumption, let us not neglect to include marijuana in that important effort."

not to neglect the soma

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:26 | 4348984 The_Dude
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The government incoherency never fails to impress me.......

Continue to expand the welfare net at my expense while continuing to introduce new pathways to place people into it (ie. drugs, immigrants, obesity, lifestyle choices....etc....).....

     Makes you wonder if they are trying to destroy us......hmmmmm

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:46 | 4349046 James_Cole
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Continue to expand the welfare net at my expense while continuing to introduce new pathways to place people into it.

Yeah, 'cept the most serious drug users I know are all filthy rich (cocaine ain't that cheap). 

And without question most of my colleagues drink far beyond reasonable limits, yes alcohol is a drug. 

Perhaps it's not the drugs?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:37 | 4349857 acetinker
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James, I think you and The Dude are both lost in the tall weeds, but when you present with a cogent thought, I'll agree.  Green it is.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 16:34 | 4349015 Cocomaan
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http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/289848-overview

There's a strong, demonstrated link between alcohol and psychosis.

 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 20:32 | 4349843 acetinker
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W. C. Fields was a comedic genius.  He was the definition of irreverance.  Nothing was sacred.  He was probably the prototype for "Archie Bunker" but in Carrol O'Connor's time, he could not go where Fields went.  Damn, I'm old.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:55 | 4350111 Rusty Shorts
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:44 | 4350298 acetinker
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Lest we forget his (sometimes) sidekick, Mae West: "A good man is hard to find- a hard man is even better".  Think about that for a sec, and realize that the modern metrosexual is antithetical to what women really want.  My head hurts. I think I'll just go lay down, now.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:21 | 4348762 Gringo Viejo
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@Bangin7: The eloquent and thoughtful response one would expect of a doper.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:34 | 4348821 tickhound
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Nice to see "freedom" lovers such as yourself come out to support your own version of it.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:42 | 4348846 Bangin7GramRocks
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Doper? What a square! Are you Mike Brady?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 22:09 | 4350171 acetinker
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Sean Hannity.  He just didn't realize where he was, 'til now.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 21:47 | 4350085 Rusty Shorts
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U.S. Patent 6630507

 

The U.S. Patent Office issued patent #6630507 to the U.S.Health and Human Services filed on 2/2/2001. The patent lists the use of certain cannabinoids found within the cannabis sativa plant as useful in certain neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and HIV dementia.

 

US Patent 6,630,507  Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants 

"Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases, such as Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease and HIV dementia. Nonpsychoactive cannabinoids, such as cannabidoil, are particularly advantageous to use because they avoid toxicity that is encountered with psychoactive cannabinoids at high doses useful in the method of the present invention."
Mon, 01/20/2014 - 14:59 | 4348684 Ban KKiller
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Did you read the NIDA report at all? Are you a bank lover too? Gonna tell us all how the banking crime is OK and good for us? Bet you work for an outfit that makes money from jailing pot heads...yes?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:03 | 4348703 maskone909
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7gramrocks and bankiller need to cut back on their mota a little ;)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:51 | 4350520 Obese-Redneck
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But don't you really feel bad for all the born again wackos in CO who moved there to be in gods country,? Now they have gay marriage and legal weed, LOLOLOLOL

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:00 | 4348689 maskone909
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Lmfao hahaha marijuana is the "redpill" so to speak. +1

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 15:58 | 4348898 Tall Tom
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No. Marijuana keeps you in an altered state, an illusion. The Red Pill leads you to the Truth.

 

But the Truth is abysmal. It is very bad. It is horrifying.

 

Marijuana helps those who cannot handle the Truth and anesthetizes them. It is a tranquilizer and takes the edge off of their anger.

 

I have watched far too many in angst sit down and take that Bong Hit. Then all of the sudden they are in a relaxed and sedated state.

 

No. They are not ready to deal with the truth. They do not want that Red Pill. They opt to take the Blue Pill instead.

 

I am not writing that you need be restricted from choosing that path. But I am writing to tell you that you are deluding yourself and are still connected to the Matrix.

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