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Security Expert Hacks Obamacare Website In 4 Minutes; Accesses 70,000 Records

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

The hits just keep on coming for ObamaCare. It was less than two weeks ago that I highlighted the potential premium rate death spiral that ObamaCare faces due to the fact that only old and sick people are signing up for the program. Now it seems there are further security related concerns plaguing the site, as cyber-security expert David Kennedy recently claimed that “gaining access to 70,000 personal records of Obamacare enrollees via took about 4 minutes.”

It’s actually hard to be this incompetent if you tried. More from the Washington Times:

The man who appeared before Congress last week to explain the security pitfalls of took to Fox News on Sunday to explain just how easy it was to penetrate the website.


Hacking expert David Kennedy told Fox’s Chris Wallace that gaining access to 70,000 personal records of Obamacare enrollees via took about 4 minutes and required nothing more than a standard browser, the Daily Caller reported.


“And 70,000 was just one of the numbers that I was able to go up to and I stopped after that,” he said. “You know, I’m sure it’s hundreds of thousands, if not more, and it was done within about a 4 minute timeframe. So, it’s just wide open.”


“You can literally just open up your browser, go to this, and extract all this information without actually having to hack the website itself,” he said.


Mr. Kennedy testified before Congress Thursday that was “100 percent” insecure, Washington Free Beaconreported.

For some context on this very important issue, check out the video below:


Full article here.


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Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:05 | 4350361 Trucker Glock
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He got data for everyone that signed up?

Edit:  bitchez!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:05 | 4350373 IridiumRebel
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Looks like it....and the cast of Star Wars too! Does Chewbacca have a preexisting condition?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:14 | 4350399 Fish Gone Bad
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The only people who signed up for Obamacare were sickly old people who had no money.  Good job there sport. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:17 | 4350411 Aguadulce
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Hugh jackman hacked it in less than 30 seconds, whilst getting head no less!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:22 | 4350426 remain calm
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Didn't someone from the WH sign up Obama for his shitty insurance? Can someone please hack his info and sign him up for every kiddy porn site known, sell his credit card numbers to Negeria and lets send his ass back to Africa.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:48 | 4350506 InjectTheVenom
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You didn't hack that !

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:32 | 4350589 Four chan
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you can have the hacked profile you paid for.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:04 | 4350645 ebworthen
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Typical, that's why I haven't siigned up for that shit.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:10 | 4350650 Rusty Shorts
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Ron Paul 2012

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:20 | 4350663 derek_vineyard
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O said .gov was to be secure as the secrecy of his birthplace

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:59 | 4350722 TuesdayBen
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You didn't fuck that up.

Someone else fucked that up.

Uh, and he lives on a ranch in Texas.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 03:03 | 4350801 fonestar
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I always love reading about customer's information being hacked.  Why do people keep trusting insecure entities to store their data?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 03:16 | 4350816 Rusty Shorts
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Tue, 01/21/2014 - 03:52 | 4350857 JLee2027
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Tue, 01/21/2014 - 03:59 | 4350869 AldousHuxley
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why do you need to sign up?


make it like social security if you want to socialize it. Just give everyone a number and you charge to that number after procedures at the hospital. government IS insurance. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 05:38 | 4350926 Tom_333
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Single payer system. Yes , everyone already has a number , SSN. A step further towards NHS , UK-style. This is getting interesting. Probably plan B all the time. Question is if this takes out the private insurers out of the equation.Hmmm wonder if it´s gonna be run like Social SEcurity , i.e. no money in the piggy bank. Any shortfall can be taken out directly from the IRS.

The federal authorities have this great track record for handlig systems like this.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 05:55 | 4350942 GetZeeGold
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Screw single payer...


....and avoid like it's the plague......cause it is.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:30 | 4350980 Manthong
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”Looks like it....and the cast of Star Wars too! Does Chewbacca have a preexisting condition?”

That’s it!  

We need to force the First Wookie family to sign up.

That way we can finally know he truth about the invaders that are occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

HA!   HA!  HA!

Take that and shove it up your " You have to pass it to know what's in it" anal orifice, Pelosi and Reid.

HA!  HA!  HA! HA! HA! HA!


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:31 | 4350987 negative rates
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It was set up that way soley so they could get trusted.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 09:30 | 4351193 kralizec
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Another 500m lines of code should do the trick!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:56 | 4351008 Offthebeach
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Single payer=monosophy

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 07:54 | 4351051 Tom_333
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Yes. Monosophy. All is one.But first I guess we need that re-education camp. No single payer program without a stint in a re-education camp. Hell we may even come to feel that vodka is the best there is.The real frontal lobectomy. Erases all existential angst. Ask Boria Alotakrap and the other russkies here on the site.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 12:22 | 4351709 Overfed
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Victory Gin is best.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:38 | 4352579 Tom_333
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Unto each his own.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 10:38 | 4351430 rubiconsolutions
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@Tom_333. Single payer system = tax payer system.

"The federal authorities have this great track record for handlig systems like this." You're kidding, right? Medicare is essentially single payer and it is underwater to the tune of $88 Trillion. Add Medicare Part D, Bush's drug program which has unfunded liabilities of $22 Trillion and you have a total debt load of over $100 Trillion. Add another few tens of millions of people on the system and your children will be paying 100% of their income to support it. But hey, who needs to eat?


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 11:16 | 4351527 Tom_333
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Yes. And yes. Ultra-dry sarcasm is usaully the sign of utter displeasment where I come from. Next stage is ranting,cussing and screaming.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 05:38 | 4350927 Tom_333
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Single payer system. Yes , everyone already has a number , SSN. A step further towards NHS , UK-style. This is getting interesting. Probably plan B all the time. Question is if this takes out the private insurers out of the equation.Hmmm wonder if it´s gonna be run like Social SEcurity , i.e. no money in the piggy bank. Any shortfall can be taken out directly from the IRS.

The federal authorities have this great track record for handlig systems like this.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 05:37 | 4350928 Tom_333
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Single payer system. Yes , everyone already has a number , SSN. A step further towards NHS , UK-style. This is getting interesting. Probably plan B all the time. Question is if this takes out the private insurers out of the equation.Hmmm wonder if it´s gonna be run like Social SEcurity , i.e. no money in the piggy bank. Any shortfall can be taken out directly from the IRS.

The federal authorities have this great track record for handlig systems like this.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 05:55 | 4350941 Tom_333
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Triple bad.

Anyway - I guess the banks will not be too happy with something that takes the insurance companies out of the equation. Since they own the insurers. Bail-out in the offing?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 04:48 | 4350900 digi
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I must have missed the part where they open sourced the obamacare website. Also missed the part where you give any identifying information to any central authority when using the bitcoin protocol. Are you sure either of those actually happened?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:47 | 4350707 A Nanny Moose
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If you like your credit score, you can keep your credit score.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 08:29 | 4351025 Sword61
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If you like some one elses credit score, you can have some one elses credit score.


Fixed it :-)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:28 | 4350458 Mr Pink
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I love this idea except for one problem...if they use his SS number they would be digging up some corpse in CT and sending it back to Kenya

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:19 | 4350570 Midas
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This hacking expert is racist.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 02:41 | 4350710 A Nanny Moose
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...then respecting that corpse with a burial at sea.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:21 | 4354297 Promethus
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Leave the burial at sea to our Navy corpse men from our 57 states.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 09:08 | 4351142 Keyser
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That's why SS numbers should be tattooed on the inside of the upper lip of every newborn, just like they do with prized horses. FOARWARD!!!!


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:02 | 4350548 chump666
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Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:55 | 4350630 Deathrips
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So it works, winning!

"it" is Cloward Pivens.


Fuck Collectivists.


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:34 | 4350947 GetZeeGold
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Who would have thought 10 years ago Cloward and Piven would be household names?


Not me....that's for sure.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 09:09 | 4351144 Keyser
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It still isn't. Only for those that have taken the red pill. You mention Cloward-Pivens to a sheeple and they think it's a new act at the Grand Old Opry... 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 10:40 | 4351438 Debt-Penitent
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Thank you for the link of this knowledge. 

Insight is why I'm here daily.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:45 | 4350704 A Nanny Moose
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From Halle Scarey? Ew!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:16 | 4350407 XitSam
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He will be charged with a federal computer crime in 3..2..1..

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:50 | 4350512 InjectTheVenom
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i'm not sure about that, but the surprise IRS audit will most likely arrive in the mail later this week !

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 09:34 | 4351211 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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The hell he will. He'll either get a "red letter" (notice of intention to levy) first or they will just empty his bank accounts. Then he will have to fight them to get it back- good luck!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 11:02 | 4351483 GeezerGeek
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I love the sound of drones in the morning. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:30 | 4350409 wee-weed up
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Not to worry...

Obama will claim he had no idea about this (no one told him)...

But he is madder than anyone to find out about it!

He will therefore convene a "panel of experts"...

And have them break off into study teams and report back to him.

Then he will miraculously pronounce the problem is solved!

And the MSM will have orgasms reporting it!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:39 | 4350489 TheReplacement
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Well done, especially the wording, "madder than anyone to find out".  The only way to make this guy happy is to not tell him.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:40 | 4350491 Trucker Glock
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I hope he strongly condemns this cowardly act of cyber terrorism.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 03:37 | 4350835 StychoKiller
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Can't we skip all that crap and jump right into the orgasms? :>D

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 12:30 | 4351738 Zymurguy
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Don't forget that he'll recommend that a third party then be responsible to store the personal data available upon request by the central govt.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:29 | 4350461 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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CGI the IT firm from Montreal Quebec that created the site is a shit firm.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:14 | 4350561 Drifter
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A website isn't the heart of the foodstamp program, medicare, medicaid, section 8 housing, AFDC, nor any other govt beneift program.  Social security doesn't depend on a website.  IRS doesn't depend on a website.  Nothing else in govt depends on a website.   

I'm convinced making a website the heart of zerocare was the plan for self-destruction.   All the problems could be blamed on a botched website, and they more or less guaranteed it would be botched when they picked a developer with a record of massive failure.

It wasn't stupidity.   It was the plan.   The plan for making zerocare fail so they could move on to single payer.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:46 | 4350610 floyd084
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That and it was a hand out to political friends.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:07 | 4350958 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Obama's pal gets $678 MILLION to set up a website, with NO competitive bidding:


Must be nice, eh?



Tue, 01/21/2014 - 09:24 | 4351177 Keyser
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Especially in the light that other companies offered to build, host and maintain the ACA site FREE for 5 years. Something is rotten in Denmark and it stinks to high heaven. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:20 | 4350661 island
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You could be right, but I think the decision to make the core functionality a website came out of naivity and stupidity. Obama and friends were trying to be "modern" and "hip" to attract the younger set.  Look at them, they're a bunch of middle-aged to aged technological morons.

Putting aside whether you like the law or not (I don't), the implemenation could have been as simple as creating a 1099-prem that insurance companies would issue for the premiums paid by people buying individual or family plans.  When they file their tax return, they go through a worksheet to get their credit (or not).   Simple as pie.  End of story.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 02:34 | 4350767 All_Your_Base
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Tue, 01/21/2014 - 03:40 | 4350839 StychoKiller
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Now that's funny right there, I don't care who ya are!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:00 | 4350951 GetZeeGold
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I chuckled.....does that make me a racist?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:02 | 4353873 Midas
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That depends....Are you white?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 12:31 | 4351744 Zymurguy
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it has to be... because they hired a firm full of retards that has a proven track record of utter failures.


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:34 | 4350593 KickIce
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Since Obama married a wookie he should get preferential treatment.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:49 | 4350615 williambanzai7
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Chewy is in the bedroom.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 02:39 | 4350778 Midas
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I guess Barry could always blame this on Snowden. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:06 | 4350954 GetZeeGold
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Greetings from Moscow Barry......screw you - Eric Snowden


P.S. your 600 million dollar website security sucks. I've advised all my peeps not to go just isn't worth the risk.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:39 | 4350993 negative rates
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Had a dream the other night, was passing a school bus on the right side when I looked up who did I see sittin in the window? It was our president at the time, Ronald Reagon, it was no big deal until I passed the driver who really shocked me. It was non other than our war hero and our vice president George Bush, now you see the real good part was that it was my first color dream too, until then I had only heard of it. Never told anyone cause they say you can get committed to the nut house if you EVEN hear so much as voices in ur head. 

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:06 | 4350378 XenoFrog
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If you like your credit rating, you can keep your credit rating. Period.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:18 | 4350414 nmewn
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Me saying, DumbMasses, has never felt so good.

Consequences ;-)

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:15 | 4350656 DoChenRollingBearing
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I hear you nmewn, I hear you.

This country got the government it deserved.


Can I get off this bus anytime soon?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:36 | 4350483 TheReplacement
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Lucky bastard got to testify in congress and had his face plastered on tv and the internet.  Looks like he'll live... a long time... in prison.  Queue up some electronic crime data to dump on his HD now.  We'll tip the cops and he'll be in jail by the end of the week.

I realize it is silly to post such a ridiculous prediction.  By doing so I can only hope I've increased the odds against it.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 18:29 | 4353375 Rentier
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LMAO at the suckers that signed up for this POS.  Most of which already had insurance it has come be known.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:05 | 4350365 IridiumRebel
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Sign your enemies up! Obama gets his shitty numbers beefed up and your nemesis gets his or her info stolen! Win Win!!!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:23 | 4350440 WillyGroper
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I'd like to see EVERY member in Vichy DC signed up. 

My Freudian wet dream.

EVIL laff! 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:15 | 4350658 DoChenRollingBearing
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Great idea, IR!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:05 | 4350366 TeamDepends
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So it's secure then?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:07 | 4350379 The Gooch
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Just like the borders.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:16 | 4350408 IridiumRebel
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...and the German's gold.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:18 | 4350412 The Gooch
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And Wimpy's hamburger money.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:20 | 4350424 IridiumRebel
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....which will be paid next Tuesday.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:31 | 4350472 TeamDepends
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So a burger and a fry will be repaid "next Tuesday" for a burger today, is this your best, final offer?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:45 | 4350501 The Gooch
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You'll get to be one of the first on your block to try the "Obamafry™" with your McDouble.

Free sample bag with EBT purchase. 


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:50 | 4350516 Trucker Glock
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Can I substitute the fries with WookieSlices?  I want to eat healthy, like the skool kids.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:22 | 4350574 Midas
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Lt. Wharf Wafers?®

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:19 | 4350659 HardlyZero
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Secure as a single-use leak-free custom-fit metro-sexual Obamacare CondomTM.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 02:13 | 4350745 TuesdayBen
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Back off, fellas.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:01 | 4350952 GetZeeGold
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Hand over that burger fat man!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:58 | 4350533 TeamDepends
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Terms are acceptable only without the Special Sauce, is this a problem?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:39 | 4350996 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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We can give the site amnesty!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:05 | 4350367 i.knoknot
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he'll probably be cited for breaking and entering (or the digital equivalent), for embarassing the administration so completely.


it's where we're going...

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:09 | 4350388 Trucker Glock
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At the rate we're going, he'll be deemed an enemy combatant terrorist hacker who must be renditioned to Gitmo.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:51 | 4350616 williambanzai7
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He has alreadybeen FEMA'd and replaced with a FEMA Borg.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 07:09 | 4351019 Offthebeach
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He'll be droned.
Too bad about his kids in the minivan.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 09:21 | 4351171 jerry_theking_lawler
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-and the other 30 innocent US citizens around him.....

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:06 | 4350369 Duke of Earl
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Criminal investigation of David Kennedy in 3....2....

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:10 | 4350384 IridiumRebel
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Dead in a car crash in 3....2...

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:51 | 4350518 Greenskeeper_Carl
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"Say there, that's a nice new Mercedes you got there, it'd be a shame if it were to randomly blow up or something"

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 07:15 | 4351022 Offthebeach
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The cars with the OnStar, Windos OS, and especially computer controled throttle and electric motor acuated steering. Command the power door locks and its full speed right into the bridge abutment. You can listen to the screaming and crash via OnStar.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:11 | 4350372 PGR88
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It doesn't matter because Obama's minions have no money anyway.  What are you going to do with someone's data if they have a 300 FICO score?  Most couldn't give a shit if someone steals their data.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:20 | 4350402 hedgeless_horseman
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Excellent point. It isn't like hackers are going to get Pelosi's or Rockefeller's information.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:31 | 4350467 The Gooch
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All you need is their 20.


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 12:34 | 4351753 Zymurguy
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So THIS is why congress exempted themselves... cheap bastards.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:12 | 4350563 Yes_Questions
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a thief couldn't get out of my zip code on my credit


aaahahahahahaaahhhahahahahhhahhahhhaaaaaaaaahhahchhhahaokehahhachokechokechoke hahhahaahhaaaaa!





and what even uses an actual FICO anyway?


note to credit managers:  Credit scores are the stuff unmanaged credit so conjure accordingly.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 07:19 | 4351026 Offthebeach
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Forget Target, skim EBT. The FSAers wouldn't notice a buck skimmed they're so stupid, addled, math be hard challenged.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:05 | 4350375 runswithscissors
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"working" as designed

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:16 | 4350400 The Gooch
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I don't know about you folks, but the next time the puppet du-jour tells "We The People" we're "bailing out" another mega-anything, that's my cue.



Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:15 | 4350401 Curt W
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can he tell us how many signed up.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:01 | 4350541 Long-John-Silver
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He did, it's 70,000.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:48 | 4350614 hmmmstrange
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Those 70k are critically ill and probably wont be around long enough to care if their personal info gets stolen.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:15 | 4350654 HardlyZero
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Its a new profit center for drug dealers.  Find a really sick person on the site, change their address, order up some really wicked drugs....done !  For a while should allow for all sorts of free narcotics...on the house !    Got a pre-existing condition...pimp yourself out for massive greenbacks before you check out.   Vegas !!    Its almost out-of-site what bad could be done.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 03:43 | 4350844 StychoKiller
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How much to subscribe to yer newsletter? :>D

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:17 | 4350413 tony wilson
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this so called expert is a liar.

he is a syrian

he hates us for are freedom and are liberal use of monsanto corn syrup.


Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:19 | 4350417 stant
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death by ruru

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:20 | 4350425 MedicalQuack
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I had this discussion with someone else today...and if you understand a little bit about data mechanics, then you might want to read this.  Logic tells me they have several Oracle sandboxes going.  A sandbox is a tech term and is a place where you work on code and simulate before you compile it and turn it loose on the web, so that being said you might understand this a little better.  Me thinks they have a few sets of engineers there, one set that keeps the current site gimping along and with as fragile as it is now, put some additional security code in and it may not work at all, and that takes time where as it is much easier if you build the security in while building the app of course.  So they might be afraid to touch it right now. 

In the meantime the other engineers are working dogmatically to rewrite the modules and we already know that one of the first things Oracle did when they were called in was bring in their own server as apps and other integrated Oracle parts work with it, a lot of code already written for that and that is part of the problem the site had to begin with as too many wanted to be open source heroes and write all of this from the ground up and integrate software modules in a way that's never been done before and that takes time.  That's where HHS and CMS were initially duped into the tech fairy world here.  Sebelius believes almost anything out there if it's an app she can click on and do something.  So here's what I told some hot shot today...and had fun doing it:) 

If new modules are being built and the system is that fragile, yeah ride by the seat of your pants rather than shut it down completely is what's going on here and that's why nobody's rushing out to secure the site, so these articles will continue until the new modules which will contain software as the Oracle middle wear has security built in and they get migrated.  I know not what folks want to hear but code is code and the new modules will do the fix...

What I told hot shot....

Are you or have been a code writer?  Its much easier to integrate it from the start as I mentioned...I used to write code in VB 6 from the bottom up, different than platforms that are used today where you rely on code written by one, two, three or more layers of development teams that you rely on the work right:)

So how many Oracle sandboxes do you think are in the works right now with the project...I say at least a couple as Oracle already brought their own servers in and when you are using a lot of Oracle apps as what is being done here, it's makes sense to use Oracle servers and Middle ware where the integration code between modules is already built, code written in other words.  Just me speaking out loud here wiht some data mechanics logic I say we have a few sandboxes in development right now while other engineers are working with the existing code to keep it gimping along until the sandbox coding and reworking of the modules is done and then it is tested and migrated over to the live production site.  In addition security with Oracle Fusion Middle ware is present and can be configured there as well.  That is what makes sense to me as to why send engineers over to secure a site, even though I don't condone having in insecure site out there by all means, that is going to have modules replaced when the coding in the sandboxes is done.

Security with apps and Fusion Middleware that adapts to Oracle versus all the open source Red Hat and Json code written from the CGI team offers a better solution.  I like open source by all means but when you have tight time frames to work within and have to to write code to integrate where there's no libraries takes a lot of time for sure.  So how many sandboxes do you think exist and and are being engineered right now?:)

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:32 | 4350473 Prometheus418
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I concur, Dr. MedicalQuack.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:45 | 4350502 Skateboarder
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Excellent post, MedicalQuack. Most people of the world fail to understand the difference between things that are engineered bottom-up and things that are built out of black-box components that are supposed to magically flow together. For example I am currently working on a project with two different microcontroller makers/families/word-sizes. In one of them, the requirements are straightforward, no pre-existing helpful code exists, our architecture is straightforward, and I get to write a foolproof implementation bottom-up from scratch. The other microcontroller family has available a very useful software demo that I will be productizing from its demo state - I am constrained on my architecture and the resulting design because I need to use most features from the demo in the base application, and the way the demo is written (not production quality) affects the way I have to change it and interface with it.

When you write something bottom-up with a clearly planned architecture, the libraries and APIs are well-defined and documented (hopefully), and integration into any outside systems is usually accounted for in advance. In the case of using disparate web elements written in different languages with library wrappers for other languages, javascript magick, database configuration, integration with anything, and especially newly introduced features and other black boxes that require libraries, wrappers, shit piled on shit piled on shit... it gets messy.

I love this post by grumpynerd.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:20 | 4350665 Dave Thomas
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I betcha grumpynerd likes powershell. ROFL.


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:41 | 4350694 Skateboarder
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I bet he downs half a pint of tequila and talks shit about unix shells as he types backslashes with joy.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:26 | 4350671 Quantum Nucleonics
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All that, and then try to make it work with half a dozen government computer systems dating back to when an Apple II+ was state of the art.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 04:26 | 4350891 ebear
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10 Going by what we've seen so far,

20 I'd say they wrote the whole thing in BASIC.

30 Goto 10


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 10:49 | 4351453 Raging Debate
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What. No gosub commands Ebear?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 01:39 | 4350691 bh2
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Or ... you can adapt already hardened, well proven code which performs similar processes and modify it only as required to serve the similar functions required by the dot-gov site. And then test the hell out of it to assure changes made are secure and functional before it's dumped on ordinary users.

The idea that fulfilling requirements for this application demands spanking new rocket science code unlike anything else in the known world is laughable. Amazon could have probably built it to work securely and correctly for a fraction of the cost, in half the time, and requiring half the computing resources.

Note the esteemed IRS blew away a billion bucks some years ago to integrate their systems -- which still aren't integrated and have been down on several occasions when I called them ("call back tomorrow and we should be up and running again"). That was likely another "job" handed to some other (or the same) no-bid contractor whose only market is clueless government procuring agencies spending other peoples' money.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 07:38 | 4351037 Offthebeach
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Once the coding becomes crystallized then the true costs can be found and the shit will hit the fan.
Clear code is unwanted by the stakeholders.
There will be political tweeks. Has to be. Honesty is a threat.
Cost discovery is a threat.
Quality feedback is a threat.

In Massachusetts. Turn in Florida drivers license to get back Mass license. 5 separate trips. No DUI, back taxes, tickets nothing. DMV got to justify their slack jaw, diaper wearing jobs. And they will, so too all involved in Obamacare. But, good luck with that code trooper, you just keep writing. Wink wink, nod nod, all on the same team, know what I mean, right? A never finished code means theres always a job to go to, right? ........

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 10:16 | 4351374 Crawdaddy
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..honesty is a threat. Yes it certainly is. Add paranoia to the mix and I bet this is a lovely project to work on. I am curious about the mix of personel Accenture will use on CronyCare. Will they try to skate by with a 80/20 mix of H1B/Offshore to onshore Norte Americanos?

In the near future, CronyCare will produce a few thousand unexplained career gaps on IT resumes like Enron and Worldcom. If someone is dumb enough to admit taking part on it's development, I hope they tell me before I make the mistake of hiring them.

But then again, maybe the participants will be proud of their involvment with CronyCare. Up until about 10 years ago, IT was filled with independent types who had a somewhat coherant moral code where political bullshit prevailing over common sense was not as easy as it is now. Now they have been replaced by H1B imports who have zero incentive to call out corruption, immorality and stupidity. The H1Bs are so glad to have a chance to escape their shit hole they will keep their mouth shut and pretend its all good. Amnesty for IT has already happened and it is mission accomplished.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:57 | 4352677 Offthebeach
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Like the 80k pages in the Federal Register. Does anyone ever think the coding will be finnished? Every year the dynamics and politics will change. Lots of decisions will be based upon 2-3 year junk statistics, plugged in and running. No one will know what the quality of outputs are. We can't even decide who is dictated to obey Obamacare. McDonalds no, Billy Bobs Muffler shops yes. Maybe. This year but not next.

We will have to go full price control on labor, products, services and costs.

This really calls for Venezuelan expertise.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 08:25 | 4351069 spinone
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The whole ACA site is magic code that no one wants to touch.  The cloned it into a dev/test/prod environment and are trying to make some basic fixes that they roll into prod while they build a new site correctly.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 11:45 | 4351607 newworldorder
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RE: MedicalQuack

Most people engaged in business/results driven jobs learn quickly several key lessons

- Know what you do not know. Either learn it or hire an expert.

-  Evaluate the expert by getting an independent auditor to monitor the experts performance and results.

-   Hold the expert accountable for performance before you dole out the cash payments.

Since the White House and most Cabinet Level positions (including Sebelius,) are  filled by government/political cronies none of them have the experience to run any functioning organization that produces results. Were it not for their political connections, education from elite schools and the ignorance of the elctorate in electing them to high political offices - most would would be working in low level jobs in the economy. We are being governed by the highly educated stupids.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:22 | 4350432 proLiberty
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If this was Walmart or the Koch Industries web site, the same officials who are charged with protecting the public against cybercrimes (but who don't care about the ObamaCare site), would be pushing themselves in front of the cameras to show the public how vigorously they are going to enforce the law, investigate fraud, catch the hackers, hold large corporations accountable, yada, yada. Well when Uncle Sam seizes the health insurance business of the nation, they become a bigger corporation than all the health insurers combined. Where is the outrage?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:23 | 4350437 yepyep
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this guy better not make any new merc purchases and make his own cups of tea for a while i think.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:26 | 4350448 Sabibaby
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All these different companies building ObamaCare are building in their own backdoors. Thats why it's so great to be a vendor, even if you get fired, you've had enough time to put your backdoor in...

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:26 | 4350450 kchrisc
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Hey, the site lasted longer than me.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:27 | 4350451 gafgroocK
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Jesus H. Christ, why can't we just impeach the motherfucker?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:47 | 4350504 TheReplacement
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Run for office.  Win.  Vote to impeach.

Not interested?  That's why.

Me no downvote senor.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 06:11 | 4350961 GetZeeGold
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Jesus H. Christ, why can't we just impeach the motherfucker?


Cause we'd have to impeach Congress first.....and I don't think they're gonna vote to kill themselves.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:08 | 4350555 InjectTheVenom
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@Murf  c'mon man, get real !    that's only done to lying, impotent, ineffective Presidents who piss all over the Constitution and dishonor their oath of .... wait, hang on a second  .. !!

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:27 | 4350456 LocalBoy
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Similar to the bank panics of 1907 and 1911......setting us up for the fix.

next we hear the only way to provide "healthcare" is for the Wall Streeters to create a privately owned secret fed for medicine......

Cloward - Piven anybody ? 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 02:37 | 4350775 HardlyZero
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Ahhh.  And it will be called FEDCARETM.   And it will have creative finance.  It will be private.  It will need another Yellin' clone to run it.   It won't be accountable to anybody.  BRILLIANT !

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:33 | 4350477 Yen Cross
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  The .gov doesn't need your bank info for ACA premium payments. They have NSA hackers to clean out your bank accounts and credit cards for them.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:42 | 4350490 cherry picker
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Your social security number is no longer safe.  too many entities aside from social security want/need it and now we discover how easy hackers can steal it.

I think I will beat them to it and sell mine to the highest bidder, I may as well keep the money for selling it versus NSA, some bank or corp or hacker.

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:48 | 4350509 TheReplacement
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Do you take bitcoins?

Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:43 | 4350494 TheRideNeverEnds
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Wait a minute, did not our dear leader himself personally have one of his servants sign him up?  That would mean they must have put his personal information including social security number on there hence into public domain.  


Someone should get on that.... 



Mon, 01/20/2014 - 23:52 | 4350524 LocalBoy
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Ah yes, now if we could get his real name we could find his number........

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:01 | 4350543 dexter_morgan
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Frank Marshal Davis, Jr.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:17 | 4350567 forwardho
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swallowing a guys blown wad don't make him yo pappy!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:14 | 4350564 forwardho
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Which # Do you supposed he used?

I believe he has several, They come in handy should you need to cut and run at a moments notice.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 00:31 | 4350588 TheRideNeverEnds
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I don't know but if it is fraudulent is falsifying insurance applications not a felony, let alone some sort of identity theft / social security fraud?   

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