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The Chart That Really Scares The Government...

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With a government intent on growing its entitlements, welfare state, and implicitly it's debt load... what could be more terrifying than the future debt-serfs refusing to be born into existence. As the birth rate in the US tumbles to yet another multi-decade low, one has to ask how confident the young adult of today is and how, again, the Japanization of America continues to indicate a dark future ahead...



(h/t @Not_Jim_Cramer)


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Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:39 | 4353796 VD
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now break down the demographics and....

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:44 | 4353807 FOC 1183
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You find Reverse Darwinism.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:55 | 4353839 bigdumbnugly
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dam...  and that's even after the invention of viagra.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:15 | 4353924 nmewn
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Dammit, somethings wrong with our centrally planned progressive social welfare network and it needs your support immediately!!

All you young people get out there and start fuckin and don't use contraception!...we were wrong!

If you're too old to fuck, send a check for anything you can afford to the Treasury as fast as possible, the life you save may be your own!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:31 | 4353956 BLOTTO
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Imo, i think its the opposite and that 'they' are succeeding with their agenda -for people not to have children.


If they wanted us to have kids, they wouldnt be pumping the homosexual/feminist agenda and would be promoting normal, healthy, good functioning families...all they are promoting is filth.

And then the attitude is, 'who wants to have kids in this debt ridden, perverted, non-employment, depressed, dangerous, society?


Dont worry, theirs plenty of us slaves to do the dirty work for the fact, apparently, 'too much.'

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:37 | 4354004 nmewn
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Sometimes a simple parody of the truth goes further into the minds of those one is trying to reach when there isn't much there to catch it ;-)

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:20 | 4354139 hedgeless_horseman
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That chart says we need to win another big war so the soldiers can come home and have sex with a member of the opposite sex.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:20 | 4354158 economics9698
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Socialism is the biggest boner killer ever invented for the over 100 IQ crowd.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:03 | 4354262 SRSrocco
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Here is another chart that the FIAT MONETARY AUTHORITIES are worried about:

Is The U.S. Running Out of Gold Scrap?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:27 | 4354312 0b1knob
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Chart is confusing.   Rate (of what?) has declined from 30% to 12% (of what?).

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:03 | 4354394 boogerbently
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You would think this chart would prompt a huge anti abortion push by dems.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:15 | 4354425 TruthInSunshine
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"A record 20% of American households, ONE IN FIVE, were on food stamps in 2013, according to data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

The numbers also show there was a record number of individuals on food stamps in 2013 and that the cost of the program, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), was at an all-time high."

When 1/2 of American Households are on Food Stamps, Krugman will declare that his camp is STARTING to succeed.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:05 | 4354675 zhandax
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Maybe all these new SNAP enrollees haven't figured out yet that the way to really plump your gubmint check is to have lots of dependents.  Probably still think it is just short-term 'help' until things improve.  The two-edged sword of the Ministry of Truth.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 06:36 | 4354825 Keyser
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now break down the demographics and....

we have already entered the Age of Idiocracy... 


Wed, 01/22/2014 - 06:53 | 4354840 GetZeeGold
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Why would anyone want to bring a new life into this world only to have them be a debt slave?


Screw you Boehner and pay for this crap yourselves.


Wed, 01/22/2014 - 10:17 | 4355109 kralizec
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Obama is our President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:51 | 4354721 Lost My Shorts
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Just a guess -- maybe what this chart really shows is % of population under age 15 or some other age X.  So it would be a derivative of the birth rate, not the actual birth rate.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:58 | 4354376 grgy
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"Socialism is the biggest boner killer ever invented for the over 100 IQ crowd" - economic9698

That has to be the most enlightened comment I've read in a long time. Ten thumbs up!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 04:19 | 4354732 Lost My Shorts
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Strikes me as typical message board baloney.  "Socialism" = "whatever I don't like."  The word has long since lost any real meaning.  And all problems are the result of "whatever I don't like."  Not so enlightened overall.

Consider really why people don't have children, in approximate order of importance:

1) No longer possible to give them a middle class standard of living, due to the scam of free trade which sent all the jobs to Chinese sweatshops.  That's definitely not socialism.

2) Post-feminist women no longer want the whole responsibility of raising children, interfering with their careers and personal fulfillment.

3) Post-gender war family law is so extremely biased against men, that men wouldn't be unreasonable to think that "fatherhood" = signing up for indentured servitude in return for the privilege of donating sperm.

Protest as you will, but to say gender war and socialism are the same thing just leaves words with no meaning.

4) Crime.  Who wants the stress of constant worry about a child who is not safe in a criminal society?  When we were young, children ran free, had fun, and no one worried.  Today people feel like they need to watch and protect their children every second.  And even then, the drug dealers might win in the end.

5) Tea Party and crony capital are waging war on the public schools, so you can no longer count on your child getting a good primary or secondary education.  And then there is the crony capitalist destruction of higher education.  So you can expect to end up broke with an uneducated child.  Proper fulfillment of your duties as a parent is impossible, so why get involved.  (Don't see a lot of socialism there.)

6) The crony-capitalist health industry pirate brigade makes healthcare for your child crushingly expensive or perhaps unavailable.  (Don't see a lot of socialism there.)

7) America is such a child-hostile culture, that as a parent you must endure constant dirty looks and hostile remarks.  Who wants that?  I know from deep personal experience.  I live expat in Asia, and my daughter is half'n'half.  Over here, everyone loves her and she gets tired of being pinched so much by strangers.  When we come back to America, white Americans only bitch that she is too loud.  Over here, children are everywere, and they are normal, noisy, happy, exuberant, and beloved.  They grow up with a glow and confidence that comes from knowing they are the most precious thing in their parents' lives.  In America, children are a nuisance, barely tolerated, and shuffle along with slouching shoulders under a cloud that comes from doubting that anyone wants them.  That's culture, not socialism.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 06:06 | 4354802 Greshams Law
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You just killed my boner.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 06:40 | 4354829 Keyser
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Whoosh...... Right over your head...... 


Wed, 01/22/2014 - 06:52 | 4354839 Quinvarius
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Pretty much all your issues are about collectivism or its secondary effects.  Socialism is just the brand of collectivism that you think is not the cause of any of this. To you socialism is just the fantasy good stuff of collectivism.  And that is just fantasy.  It is as stupid as the republican/democrat fallacy.  All of this is caused by government sponsored collectivism, especially the healthcare. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 07:56 | 4354868 Lost My Shorts
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Sorry, disagree.  I think your brain has just shrunk down to a single circuit, and everything is collectivism.  How is fake free trade foisted on America by the elites an aspect of collectivism?  How is a cultural dislike of children an aspect of collectivism?  Perhaps you are nostalgic for a pre-modern lifestyle with no government safety net, when people lived on the land and had lots of children for support in old age (and most of the children died young).  Good luck running for office on that platform.  And probably it wouldn't even work now.  Most young white hipsters in rich countries would rather die than return to that lifestyle.  You think maybe abolishing that notorious collectivist program known as "Social Security" would cause young white Americans to rush out and have babies?  I am guessing not.

Irony is, in countries where healthcare truly is collective, it costs half as much per capita and people are neither bankrupted nor rendered insecure by healthcare issues.

Irony squared is that individualism is a much more powerful force in the decline of the birth rate.  People nowdays in rich countries want to live for themselves, their career goals, their status and aspirations, their hobbies, their bucket list, their personal fulfillment.  Both men and women.  Have children and your bucket list is history, so people don't do it.

Irony cubed is that birth rates in ex-communist countries tend to decline as they became crony capitalist.

p.s. Socialism is collective (or effectively government) ownership of economic capital.  Redistribution of wealth or public services might drive you crazy, but they are not socialism if words still have any meaning.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 08:18 | 4354886 spankfish
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"Have children and your bucket list is history, so people don't do it"

Glad my children were a part of my so called bucket list.  I could not imagine life without my children.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 08:50 | 4354910 snr-moment
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Irony is, in countries where healthcare truly is collective, it costs half as much per capita and people are neither bankrupted nor rendered insecure by healthcare issues.


Yeah.  My daughter just got back from visiting some of those countries.  Wanted to know why so many people were missing body parts.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 08:40 | 4354901 snr-moment
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Oh please.

1. People canot give their kids a middle class living.  So people in poor countries don't have kids?  You yourself said fertility drops in ex-communist countries.

2. Women still want children.  Look at all the fertility clinics across the country treating 40 something year olds, who spent years getting degrees to get a job, and never using 10% of the material they were taught to do their jobs.  Starting out your life 100k in debt is a fabulous form of birth control.  Chrony capitalism didn't do that.  Chrony education did.

3. Can't disagree with third point, but most men, still, don't consider fatherhood indentured servitude.  No-one gets married expecting to get divorced.  The number one marital stress is money.  A tax day in mid-May doesn't help.

4. Crime?  People watch too much TV.  Lousy judges of risk.  People don't have kids now, cause they might get shot, but had dozens back when half died of pneumonia?

5. A tea party war on public schools?  Seriously?  The rate of school spending per pupil has been at least double the inflation rate for the last 30 years, and yet STILL the College Board had to "re-center" their scores in the late 90's.  We have to revise how we teach math every couple years (??????) and now we have common core to dumb it down even further.  Hell, our public schools just doubled the length of each class session and made classes every other day, so kids could do their homework in school.  Have an exceptional student?  Too damn bad for you.  Draw pictures!

6. It was socialism that caused the price of health care to skyrocket.  Kids cost next to nothing to take care of.  Want the cost of your kids health insurance to skyrocket?  Make sure they take out a catastrophic plan, like O'bozocare does.

7. Can't argue with your culture point.  But don't you find it odd that it's in the cities, which reliably voted liberal/socialist where this attitude is most prevalent?  Out in flyover country people still have kids (despite being poor, uneducated hicks).


Almost all your points ignore reality.  When the government makes it impossible for 2 working parents to afford a house and food, you can be damn sure they aren't thinking family.  Your "progressive" tax system, public employee unions, and SOCIALISM did this.  Look at ALL of the "socialist" world.


Wed, 01/22/2014 - 09:55 | 4355018 Lost My Shorts
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One of us is out of touch with reality, it's true.  Not sure which.  Maybe it's the one with the single-circuit brain which which just flashes "SOCIALISM" to whatever input.

Change happens at the margin.  You can't explain or refute explanations of declining birth rate by citing the characteristics of people who still have children.  (N.B. the birth rate is probably not really declining any more.  It's just staying low; the chart at the top probably has the quality of a moving average, catching down to a low birth rate established years ago.)

1) People who themselves once had or aspired to a middle class standard of living are very reluctant to have children whom they expect to live in poverty.  Captian Obvious speaking here.  Have your own reality if you want.  Some poor people have lots of kids, and some don't; that's a complex digression.

2) Women on average want fewer children than they had two generations ago.  Maybe they wanted fewer back then too, but now they have a choice.  Strange that you would argue that point based on anecdotes about fertility clinics.

3) Who said marriage?  Who thinks nowdays that marriage has anything to do with children.  Well, maybe me and you, but if you look at the numbers, most parents don't make a strong connection nowdays.  Children and child support, on the other hand ...

4) When I was six, I walked a mile to first grade every day alone.  Now no one would do that.  (It might even be considered criminal in itself.)  Whether it's real crime, or irrational fear of crime, people feel the need to invest a lot more effort in protecting their children, which is a disincentive to having them in the first place.  It doesn't compare to death by pneumonia in the old days, over which you have no control.  You do have control over whether your children ever go anywhere without you, or you go with them, or they just stay home and play video games their whole lives.

5) Per student spending has been in decline since 2009, which is when the Coffee Party appeared.  Or something.  Per student spending is not even a meaningful measure anyway.  So much of that goes to federally mandated special education, so that one autistic child consumes more cash than 15 ordinary kids.  Common core might seem like "socialism" to you, but it's really crony capitalism, driven by the textbook makers, test makers, and other crony capitalist parasites that drain revenue from the schools.  Common core is designed to shift the locus of "campain contributions" from crony capitalist suppliers from the state level to the federal level, and Washington politicians from both teams are very happy with it.  The difference between Rs and Dems is one shovels money to crony capitalists only, and the other shovels money to cronycaps and the teachers' unions equally.  Meanwhile, class sizes keep growing, and the resources spent productively on regular kids keep shrinking.  I have been looking for a house for a year, and it tends to go like this:  affordable house, yeah! -> slum or Tea Party stronghold -> schools bad, crap -> change search criteria.

6) High health costs in the US are caused by greedy doctors, private equity vampires who own half the facilities, for-profit hospital chains with seven-figure administrators and nine-figure CEOs, greedy price-fixing pharmacos, and profit-skimming insurance companies.  Every one of the above has legions of lobbyists dropping $5K checks left and right in DC to maintain their price fixing and unethical business practices.  It's the purest example of crony capitalism in America.  The Fox-meme that it's all from socialism is just silly, though I know your one and only brain circuit would never agree with me.  Have a sick child and it costs you $100+ to see a doctor, and another $100 for any medication (that would cost $25 and $5 anywhere else even paying cash in full).  It hurts.

7)  Where I spend most of my time when in America is small town, semi-rural, nearly all white, full of retirees and military, and all they want is to cut taxes and don't see any children around.  I am glad you live in a more supportive place.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 10:44 | 4355214 snr-moment
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Change happens at the margin.  You can't explain or refute explanations of declining birth rate by citing the characteristics of people who still have children.  (N.B. the birth rate is probably not really declining any more.  It's just staying low; the chart at the top probably has the quality of a moving average, catching down to a low birth rate established years ago.)

Umm, yes, you can.  It's called science.  Like why bacteria grown well in some soil but not soil with lots of fungus.  Also, regardless, of the chart above, the actual fertility rates (children per woman, over her entire life) is dropping.  We are now catching up with Europe.  Want correlation, look at Fertility Rates, National Debt Ratio, Average Tax Burden,  Wages post taxes and fees.

1) That's what I said.   House and Food.  2 parents working.  What's killing the middle class?  might have something to do with taxes and regulations.

2)My anecdotes fill up pages in every phone book.  Of course they want fewer now, since most survive (so far), but an Italian 1.3?  What they "want" is a product mostly of "WHAT THEY CAN AFFORD"  See Number 1.

3) You need to relearn to correlation between poverty and marriage.  Child support doesn't wake up at night to change diapers or provide extended family to help with daycare. (By the way, sending all the Elderly to Florida and Arizona instead of living at home, helping out, became a phenomenon about....when?)  And socialists don't like marriage anyway.  Witness Julia.  The family structure is too competitive for the government.

4) It's the poorest areas of the country with the least parental involvement and highest crime rates, that are still having kids.  Like I said, Americans suck at judging risk.  And it's a city/media/yellow journalism phenomenon

5) pure Bullshit.

  PS. That "hotbed" of tea partiness known as Chicago is closing schools, 129, mostly because of UNDERUTILIZATION. People who can't afford the ridiculous taxes, or lack of jobs due to businesses being driven away MOVE.  Or don't have kids. Karma's a bitch, huh?

By the way, that other hotbed of Tea Party activism, Detroit is supposed to have a really good school system.

6) No. It's caused by an entitlement mentality nurtured by the "socialists" that healthcare is a right, and everyone should live to be 100.  That everyone is entitled to an artificial heart, a quituple bypass, or 30 years of hemodialysis.  That these things are,, and will always remain, extremely expensive (since the world is only sterile on the human level) should require no explanation.

7) Well, yes, retirees and military tend to have fewer children, as a rule.  And I do.  And I love it.


And yes, you are very much out of touch.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 10:46 | 4355231 snr-moment
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An I didn't down arrow you either.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 15:36 | 4356244 Black Warrior W...
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I did.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 11:09 | 4355138 PFO
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Hey Dawgs,

'Lost my Shorts' hits the nail on the head!

My Ex left me for a 'navyman' from a family of 3 generations sucking off the gubbermints teat and I never saw my son or daughter again.

Went down to the courthouse numerous times looking for 'justice' but all I found was 'just-us' dead-beat child-abusing uncle-dads standing around wondering how we  became chattel of the:

satanic-kaballic-talmudic-feminist-pedophile-savage capitalist-consumer credit culture of death

But, may I suggest instead of getting mad, we ALL just get even:

Finally, I spent 6 weeks in the Philippines last Winter and haven't seen a more happy-kid-oriented culture since I grew-up in the 1960s.

Looking at the demographics of the country it is a perfect bell-curve, with over 1/2 the population [52 Million] under 30!

That dawgs, is pure venture capital.

It's also pure military muscle! So, China should think twice before they go picking a fight with the PI, they don't have 1/2 the military-age men.



PS Don't believe Phillipinos are up to a fight with the Chicoms? Ask the Japs, they lost thousands of their best troops AFTER MacArthur left in 1942. The Pinos owned the country at night, the Japs only the cities by day.

My host and his father [Local police chief] killed five Japanese soldiers one morning in 1943 because they were raping girls in their village. The son put their eyes out with his BB gun and Dad finished them off with his 45; adding new meaning to the term "hand-to-hand" combat.

That night a Harvard educated Japanese officer came to their door to apologize for the behavior of the slain-soldiers and warn them to flee from the enraged Japanese Commanding Major.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:34 | 4354459 G-R-U-N-T
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Socialism is the biggest boner killer ever invented for the over 100 IQ crowd.

LOL, Classic!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:52 | 4354494 Nexus789
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Try citing the impact of corporate welfare which is more relevant rather than simply parroting 'socialisam'.  The US is not and never will be a socialist country. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:12 | 4354281 mayhem_korner
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The chart says little about sex.  It says a lot about birth rates.  The gap is what I refer to as the Norma McCorvey effect.  Grew in the 60s and memorialized in '73.  Anyone who doesn't think it's significant is blind.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:28 | 4354446 Erudite Redneck
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55 million babies killed.  God will judge this nation.  God said he would not be mocked.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:01 | 4354676 PT
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As I get older, I tend to agree with you, though I still prefer abortion to letting an unwanted child live.  Life is hard enough as it is, why force an unwanted child to endure it?  Do 'em a favour and wipe 'em out so they don't have to endure the horrors of this world.

On the other hand, these days I think of abortion as a result of a lack of faith in God, at the least.  If someone aborts due to financial worries, then I can easily accept that as worshipping money to the exclusion of God - yes, that is a big sin.

I still say that the problem should be attacked from a different angle - bring up the kids right and they shouldn't want to abort.  By the time they want to abort, it is too late.  Just my 2 cents. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:40 | 4354707 Omegaman2211
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So you prefer murder to letting an unwanted human being live? Got it.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 05:40 | 4354791 PT
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You prefer 80 years of pain as opposed to two minutes of pain?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 07:41 | 4354860 MilwaukeeMark
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Who made YOU or ANYONE the judge of that. That's EXACTLY the kind of hubris that got US(A) here in the first place.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 07:56 | 4354869 Keyser
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Had those 55 million babies been born, the unemployment rate would be in the neighborhood of 60% and the system would have already crashed. Perhaps our forefathers were onto something when they explored Eugenics, however abhorent that may sound. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 10:06 | 4355069 STP
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Demographics AND Eugenics will eventually play a role.  I'll never forget a qoute by Rep. Patsy Mink, on "the Reproductive Rights of Low Income women on AFDC."!

Here in the Section 8 capitol of SoCal, Palmdale, California, you can go to any Walmart and see hordes of third world peasant Illegals, with three, four and sometimes, five kids each.  And none of them look very bright to me.  They all have that vacant stare and look well-suited for the Service Economy jobs.

Fact:  You're not going to find many apples in an onion field, that's for sure!

While I am a conservative, I'd rather spend $800 on an abortion now, than a half million dollars on their progeny.  Better yet, stop the EITC and quit making me pay for other people's kids!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:42 | 4354712 PT
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God is judging our nations.  He is taking our wealth and giving it to someone else.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 05:42 | 4354792 Testudo321
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You mean the god loving Chinese?

Where abortion is not only legal, but the state can force you to abort if they think you have too many chilren? And too many usually means more than one?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 12:41 | 4355602 PT
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No, I mean the God, although I was actually hesitant even to make such a comment because some people might use it to say, "See!  Jamie and Lloyd really are doing God's work!"  Sure, they might be doing "God's work".  But there are a bunch of psychopaths in wards for the criminally insane all over the world that are using the same argument to justify their own deeds.  And who's to say a homicidal maniac isn't doing God's work if their next victim just happens to be named "Jamie" or "Lloyd"?

From what I understand of modern history, a bunch of rich US people deliberately set up the conditions to shift all the US prosperity to China, India and Mexico.  They could have chosen to have Chinese factories serving Chinese people and US factories serving US people but no, they preferred to put the production in the cheap countries and the sales in the expensive countries.  For every "well-off" US worker (who then loses his job), there is a Chin/Mex/Indian low paid worker who can't afford to buy the stuff he makes ... yet.  I don't blame the foreigners from embracing the US offer - they got top production facilities and technology, and a couple of them got rich, although they would have done their countrymen a favour if they had have kept the sales local (but why would they do that if they can make more money by selling to the first world?)  Overall, western prosperity is in the process of being given to other countries and for the religiously inclined, I see no problem in thinking of it as a divine decision, although atheists are free to examine it on a more human level.  When the atheists get bored with analyzing the process on a non-divine level, they may like to make their analysis a little bit more interesting.  It ain't the first time God has "taken from those who abandoned him and handed success to their enemies."  We are greedy and we are stupid, but what directs the greed and the stupidity?

Regarding the whole China and their one-child policy thing, for all these years they've been doing us a favour.  Each person on this planet currently has an area approx. 200 metres x 200 metres with which to attend to their needs.  Some of that area is uninhabitable and some of it should be made available to wild animals.  Of course we can free up more area by putting people in the sky instead of on the ground, as long as they like to pay for elevator maintenance.  The point being, at what point do you think the world will be over-populated:  1 person per 40 000 m2?  1 person per 200 m2?  One person per square metre?  When we're waiting for someone to go for a piss so we can purify the urine and drink it?


Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:35 | 4354643 RafterManFMJ
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Increase the importation of Mexicans and Somalis. That was easy.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 08:40 | 4354782 Villageidiot777
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US should increase Mexicans import since Europe has covered Somali imports quite well. Get 'em while you can.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:13 | 4354286 DaveyJones
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unfortunately, dying empires have an increasingly hard time doing that

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:42 | 4354652 PT
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Ummm, does this mean our taxes decrease as we save billions of dollars in all them schools we no longer have to build / maintain?
Does this mean our education standards increase due to an oversupply of teachers allowing us to choose only the very best?

Yeah, I thought it was all one way ... 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:11 | 4354418 Semi-employed W...
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Now that we've gone from Absolutely no homos in the miltary to .... Don't ask, don't tell under Slick Willie to ... Be a flamer, and please DO tell under the Obamunist, the returning soldiers might not be re-kindling their relationships with a member of the opposite sex.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:59 | 4354512 piceridu
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And some ask why they want to have immigration reform...exponential growth without birthing pains.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:13 | 4354618 A Nanny Moose
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/raises hand...

What if those soldiers are all LBGT this time around? Louis Brown?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:19 | 4354696 zhandax
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Look at the bright side.  Facing a platoon with PMS and guns makes getting droned look more appealing.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:49 | 4354655 PT
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hh:  We need another war so we can end up with a shortage of men and the women can't be so picky!
(Does it actually happen that way?  Or do we still find a way to wipe out half the women as well?) 

We need another war so we can have shortages and people remember what it means to value tools that last forever, and to value local manufacturers who are always there when you need them. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 09:22 | 4354946 Pee Wee
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Value et al. exists no more, anywhere.

Disposable everything - if you aint constantly payin you aint playing. 

More Chinese babies please, the USA of your father is extinct.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 08:02 | 4354871 spankfish
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Sex with the oppisite sex is no longer necessary for the production of children... and yes, we now treat children like a product.  Doomed we are.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 01:57 | 4354592 A Nanny Moose
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Catch? I was never very good a hand eye coordination games.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:10 | 4354278 Hal n back
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being politically incorrect, there are huge birth numbers at the lower end of the social economic spectrum.


Thats a set up for higher % of poverty in the US and illiteracy and crime.


none of this helps the ponzi schemes such as social security



Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:38 | 4354333 mofreedom
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serves the leftists (voters) and the corporatists (cheap labor) alike, normals be damned.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:00 | 4354386 TruthInSunshine
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That's yet one more reason Idiocracy is a DOCUMENTARY, as I explain to as many people as possible.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:09 | 4354413 mofreedom
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Petition and/or send money to get rid of Boehner:

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:13 | 4354423 Semi-employed W...
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Only if the teapartyleadershipfund disavows neocons and their senseless wars.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:27 | 4354447 mofreedom
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If they don't...they ain't teaparty, and if they're liers, dear God...gotta trust somobody...I'd rather trust the state legislators and govenors than whoever we send to DC, so let's end there...but for starters, send Boner packing before he can feather his bed with immigration reform and live in comfort as a pol consultant.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:35 | 4354324 mofreedom
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Are you Putin?  I like Putin!!!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:31 | 4354449 SheHunter
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Fewer children is a good thing.  Too many of the two legged carnivores on the planet at present.  Women and men are beginning to not take for granted they must bear children in order to lead a fulfilling life that contributes to the overall good.  I walk my talk and am proud of others who think before they make babies.  Let's concentrate on making the lives for those already born healthy, educated and productive.  Adopt, be a big brother or sister or just spend some time with the latch-key kids down the road.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:42 | 4354471 The Joker
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Omnivores, but I wholeheartedly agree.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:53 | 4354495 insect0man
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>>Adopt, be a big brother or sister or just spend some time with the latch-key kids down the road.

Right.  Why subject yourself to the responsability of being a parent when you can play with someone elses reproductive resources.

Be sure and come back in 20 years - and tell us through your hijab how wonderful the failure of your reproductive strategy was in the context of the Islamofascists who'll outnumber and own you.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:15 | 4354620 Nobody For President
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Excuse me asshole, but adopting subjects yourself to the responsibility (I can even spell it) of being a parent big time.

I have two sons 'birthed' and an adopted daughter that stopped being adopted and just became daughter about 27 years ago. 

She is the light of my life, and her brothers (and now nephews and nieces) adore her. She's also a Cal graduate and doing very well with her life.

What a fucking asinine comment. insectoman is right - crawl back under the rock, asshole.

(I don't have time to tell you how I really feel about your incredibly stupid, thoughtless, brain-dead comment - you must be taking some really weird drugs.)

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:55 | 4354497 insect0man
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Wed, 01/22/2014 - 01:09 | 4354533 Hal n back
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hard to see the lower class having fewer children if the govt compensates them for having more children

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:14 | 4354622 A Nanny Moose
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But we subsidize welfare babies, and abortion. How does this play out?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:23 | 4354632 Fiat agnostic
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Homosexuality is not fith. People who think it is are the real filth.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:07 | 4354683 TBT or not TBT
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What about the ass fucking part?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:36 | 4354646 Olephant
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Well they are succeeding insofar as that I am not going to bring children into this world. It is too fucked up a place. Why would anyone want to bring children into this hell hole ?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 12:48 | 4354720 PT
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I agree with you Olephant, though it looks like two people are quite happy bringing kids into this hell hole.
So glad I don't blame my failures on my kids because I don't have any kids.  It's a small consolation but a good one. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 11:41 | 4355372 Rafferty
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Let's be a bit more specific.  THEY don't want us to have White children.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:33 | 4353974 aint no fortuna...
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not to worry, kerry can just start a big war and import 5 or 10 million refugees to work cleaning toilets in empty shopping malls... voila, problem solved

Plus, Mr. Yellen can monetize the debt created to fight the war, hand the free cash over to the Too Big To Jail banks, and Jamie and the boys can lay a few million 20% interest rate cards and a bunch of NINJA mortgages on them and presto! they're Americanized.


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:45 | 4353998 BLOTTO
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Basically, they dont give a shit about us over on this side of the pond.

Whats really important to them - is where civilization started. Somewhere their in the middle east where the place is almost in rubble - but they protect and honour and worship it so deeply. Thats where the rub is at...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:23 | 4354167 Rock On Roger
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That big stone platform is where the gods rocket to heaven started its flight.

And if you were a good lulu amelu you might get a ride.


Stack On

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:32 | 4354189 max2205
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So that's why girls keep their legs crossed


When was the pill issued....duh

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:14 | 4354133 kchrisc
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"Hitler wanted a high birth rate, so the population would grow. The Nazis even considered making it law that families should have at least four children."


I don't mean to always have a Nazi for everything, but because "History doesn't repeat, the criminality of government does," I can always come up with one.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:48 | 4354229 Things that go bump
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Living in Romania during Ceausescu was such a nightmare, women refused to bring children into such a place, so he denied them birth control. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:58 | 4354384 HardlyZero
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50 million abortions since Roe vs. Wade.

Can't go back.

Sucks bad.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 01:25 | 4354549 Things that go bump
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Being a woman, I'm just not a fan of enforced childbearing. I don't have a problem with that. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:44 | 4354717 Omegaman2211
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Not sure what enforced childbearing means exactly. Doesn't really matter though, since abortion is murder.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 20:11 | 4357171 kchrisc
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Democide: Government Killed Over 260 Million in the 20th Century, Poised to Kill Billions More in the 21st

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:26 | 4354172 Duke of Earl
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People without children should pay more taxes to make up for the lost future revenue!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:56 | 4354251 nmewn
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Now you're starting to get the complete, manipulative, herding, socialist/progressive tax code structure.

Oh wait, singles do pay moar ;-)

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:59 | 4354511 logically possible
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Duke, I certainly hope you're not serious, the entire idea of having more kids to help pay for what you spent today is the earliest ponzi scheme the government ever invented. It will end like all ponzi schemes. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:17 | 4354595 A Nanny Moose
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Logic only government could love.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:43 | 4354218 Tim_
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‘First time' in history: White deaths outnumber births in US

"Deaths of white people outnumbered births for the very first time in US history, the Census Bureau revealed Thursday. The census predicts that significant drops in birth rates v death rates will be regular by 2025."

"Several demographers have pointed out that no other racial group in the US experienced a similar drop."

"Such a natural [sic] decrease within the white population is the first of its kind and was not even observed in the US during wars or Depression, the Washington Post reported."

Most Children Younger Than Age 1 are Minorities, Census Bureau Reports

"The U.S. Census Bureau today released a set of estimates showing that 50.4 percent of our nation's population younger than age 1 were minorities as of July 1, 2011."

"The population younger than age 5 was 49.7 percent minority in 2011, up from 49.0 percent in 2010."

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:16 | 4354432 Georgiabelle
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It looks like Oprah's wish is coming true even faster than predicted.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 20:16 | 4357195 kchrisc
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They're going to remake the world into something like a cross between Detroit and Zimbabwe.


"If we're all equal, do I have to act more like them, or they more like me?!"

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 09:28 | 4354953 Ace Ventura
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Logical stat regarding the most governmentally-oppressed segment of society. After a while, the turnip has no juice left within it, and refuses to grow. This is another sign that these United States of America are dying the proverbial "death of a thousand cuts".

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:49 | 4353824 ChanceIs
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If you tax get less of it;

If you subsidize get more of it;

IF you establish a drug culture and have the banks facilitate it, then you have less of everything

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:00 | 4353857 ZerOhead
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Except drugs... and probably promiscuous sexual encounters... and of course venereal diseases.

So all in all it's a basically a mixed bag...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:55 | 4354373 Fish Gone Bad
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It is truly amazing what a "Least Common Denominator" mentality can bring.  If the US were to start a new Opium War, then farmers could plant miles of poppies, khat, marijuana, and whatever else was needed.  Export all of it and force the customers around the world to buy it.

there are two kinds of people: those who are addicted to Substance D, and those who haven’t tried it.  -Phillip K Dick, A Scanner Darkly

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:21 | 4354155 johnconnor
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here: I Got 15 Kids & 3 Babydaddys-SOMEONE'S GOTTA PAY FOR ME & my children...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:38 | 4354335 AngelEyes00
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Every form of business got so greedy people got squeezed for every dime they have, living paycheck to paycheck and what's the result?  No mullah left to pop pups.  Happy now?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 09:10 | 4354928 snr-moment
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And, of course, Government is the biggest business of all, where you're forced to buy their product at gunpoint.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:52 | 4354367 midtowng
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It's good news for the planet


Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:17 | 4354625 A Nanny Moose
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"Earth plus plastic" - George Carlin.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 05:08 | 4354775 U4 eee aaa
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Well technically, if you ask the government, it is both good news and bad news at the same time. This is because that is how government thinks

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:06 | 4354402 JuliaS
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That chart doesn't scare the government! They're afraid of an abundance of disgruntled young people with nothing to loose. Fewer births - fewer young people. No enough youngsters to support retiring geezers? Big deal! You can shoo those away with a crooked broom stick. No need to scare the shit out of those that already walk around in adult diapers.

The government is afraid of nothing! What is "government"? It's just a handful of people living at everyone else's expense. People who invent excuses to justify their actions. They own everything that's worth owning... and they've got guns - the big ones, tanks airplanes, drones'n'shit.

Think Obama's afraid of charts? I doubt he even knows how to read'em!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 01:05 | 4354528 insect0man
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>>What is "government"?

Ba'al - Lord, Master, Owner, Posessor.

Same ol'

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:09 | 4354412 Zigs
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Just proves the old theorem: chances are if your parents didn't have children you won't either.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 12:52 | 4355643 PT
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The real problem is that you inherit all the addictions of your parents.  For example, my parents were addicted to food and water.  The side-effects are horrendous!  If they don't eat and drink then they feel horrible pain in their bellies for a few days and then they die!  And blow me down, I've got the exact same addiction with the exact same side-effects.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:15 | 4354431 insect0man
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>>now break down the demographics and....

"...and because of this, God gave them over"
--Romans 1:25+

Same Ol'

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:49 | 4354491 prains
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this chart looks awfully familiar for other rmetrics.....

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 03:43 | 4354713 capitallosses
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65 here. 12 y/o and 8 y/o. No way to pay off the debt without muliplying. Go forth and multiply, bitchez, no other way out of this hole!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 04:41 | 4354751 Offthebeach
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Where's the St. Louis Feds soda pop flats and Tide detergent per capita over time chatts? Where's the blue tarp, duct tape and gromets sales Why are they withholding them?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 09:13 | 4354932 snr-moment
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Yes, you SHOULD get off the beach.  or at least, wear a hat.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 15:52 | 4356320 Loucleve
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obviously, this is why we have the big push for amnesty for illegals.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:41 | 4353799 Bobbyrib
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If they're planning to loot the country and leave, they won't care. If they plan to try to keep the country as a World Power, they are probably worried.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:52 | 4353833 ChanceIs
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Katherine Austin Fitts has a lot to say about that.  See her interviews with Greg Hunter.

BTW:  Greg just did an excellent one with Paul Craig Roberts.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:42 | 4354344 DaveyJones
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Fitts has done incredible work. And was incredibly inside

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:14 | 4353927 Vendetta
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Its more like they don't care, therefore they are looting the country and planning to leave.  Its the first part that is the problem, they have already gutted it.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:18 | 4354436 insect0man
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>>If they plan to try to keep the country as a World Power,

No need. The Oligarchs have China for that role now.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 13:50 | 4355864 PT
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I'm really hoping the Chinese have put 2 and 2 together:  If someone is a traitor to their own country, then what will they do to the next country?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:41 | 4353802 derek_vineyard
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not a good time to bring another human into this world.   thats a sad commentary on our societies.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:55 | 4353843 Stuck on Zero
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This is probably the best time ever to have a child in the U.S. and maybe anywhere.  No pestilence, smallpox, polio, child labor, draft, typhoid, cholera, or open sewers.  Simply home school, avoid the MSM, teach the kids to work hard and have kids.  I recommend it.


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:05 | 4353887 Ignatius
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Nice to hear a positive outlook.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:08 | 4353898 logicalman
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If somewhat lacking in a dose of 'look out at the world and see how fucked-up it is'


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:25 | 4353957 Skateboarder
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Imagine having to take care of a teenager in 10-15 years. Ow my balls!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:47 | 4354041 Harbanger
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Take care of? Before the keynesian illusion of false wealth children were an asset.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:55 | 4354248 Things that go bump
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They were also adults much earlier. There wasn't this artificially extended childhood; 16-year-olds were considered men and women.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:38 | 4354647 MunX
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26 is the new 16

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 04:46 | 4354755 Offthebeach
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There were 16 year old sailing ship captains. No Coast Guard, radio, radar. Boston to China and back.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:11 | 4354280 Skateboarder
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That's exactly what I mean Harbanger. The paradigmatic shift has already taken place in a majority of the world.You literally have to 'take care of a teenager' these days. In generations past, they took care of themselves. The age at which necessary dependence breaks off has been pushed further and further and further where you have motherfuckers like my mid/late 20s peers referring to themselves and people of their age group as 'kids' now. WHAT THE FUCK!?

The concept of children as productive assets has been destroyed by the *something fucked* agenda. The way you treat children defines how they grow up to be.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:06 | 4354403 Harbanger
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I know what you mean in context of the culture we live in today, we're all kids.  This will have to end as the fake wealth ends.  But not before we go full retard and lash out at everything around us.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:29 | 4354450 Skateboarder
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In honor of our fathers before who did so in earnest, from father to son:

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:07 | 4354405 teslaberry
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a growth asset baby. have 10 kids , and they pay dividend kids when they grow up!. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:17 | 4354145 Miffed Microbio...
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Actually skateboarder, teens are quite fun. They definitely keep you on you toes! As long as you aren't hypocritical and set limits rather than empty threats you'll do fine. The only problem we ran into is all the other parents gave their teens anything they wished and we didn't so we heard a lot of teeth knashing. I will say our kids respect us even thought they consider us woefully behind the times. But doesn't every generation?


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:53 | 4354227 Harbanger
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Did you know that the term "teenager" is actually a recent idea?  For all of humanity except the last 2-3 generations of Western culture, Children grew up and then became adults, young adults but they were considered adults nonetheless.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:07 | 4354266 Skateboarder
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Good post Miffed. I've tutored over a hundred K-12 kids on and off over the years, sometimes for dough, sometimes for free. My favorite age group was the 5th-8th graders (10-13). I know how to deal with teenagers. Just saying I wouldn't want to raise one 10-15 years down the road. For 'old souls' like me, it would be hell. I love teaching and caring for children in general, and find no sadness in not having my own. There's plenty of other people's kids (starting with family) to help take care of...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:43 | 4354347 mofreedom
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 I am training those to-be-teenagers to be our soldiers who will save us from our drunken selves.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:00 | 4354599 Chandos
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@skateboarder; Imagine having to take care of a teenager in 10-15 years. Ow my balls!


Surely there'll be an app for that by then..;)

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 05:15 | 4354781 U4 eee aaa
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Hey, good point. Once you throw a smartphone into their cave they are hypnotized for life

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:43 | 4354028 FredFlintstone
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More like "misery loves company".

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 21:53 | 4354026 Harbanger
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"This is probably the best time ever to have a child in the U.S"

Absolutely.  The formula is 1 kid per acre of land you own :).

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:00 | 4354088 25or6to4
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Well, I better keep going then being that I have 450 acres.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:08 | 4354117 Harbanger
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The formula is 50 acres per wife.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 05:53 | 4354798 PT
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Aaahhh, that explains everything.  I have 40m2.  (That's 431 square feet for you primitive, uncivilized barbarians out there).  It all makes sense.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 09:09 | 4354927 spankfish
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What's the lawyers cut after the divorce?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:45 | 4354223 Caveman93
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I have a new child on the way and scared shitless! Her only hope is she learns now what took me 30 years to realize about this screwed up world. Oh yeah, she'll know the true difference between "Money" and "Currency" also. ;)

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:03 | 4354378 mofreedom
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I'm sure you'll be a better fighter and teacher once she pops out, did me right that first one did.

Teach her to say the things that will make her leftist teacher bleed from his vagina.

No mercy once you are a parent!!!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:15 | 4354623 Caveman93
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YAR! Thanks mate!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:09 | 4354414 JuliaS
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George Carlin picked a good year to depart. Probably figured what was coming.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 02:04 | 4354606 A Nanny Moose
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OK...biologically it is a good time. Fiscally and politically....not so much.

Also depends on sex an race. I pitty white man-cubs in the current social environment comprised of quotas, community property, and alimony. I pitty all future deb slaves in the current fiscal environment.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:21 | 4354438 insect0man
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That's a sad commentary on the generation of pussies raised by the 60's generation of pussies.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:45 | 4353804 Dr. Engali
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No worries Boner is set to take care of that problem through amnesty, and soon we will have all the debt serfs we want coming across the border.

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