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Pope Francis Warns Davos "Humanity Is Served By Wealth; Not Ruled By It"

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Having been outspoken over capitalism and the rise of income inequality; for the first time, an address from the leader of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics was read to the political and business elites at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Pope Francis pulled no punches as he implored attendees to remember that "humanity is served by wealth and not ruled by it," and called for "decisions, mechanisms and processes directed to a better distribution of wealth." The guilt-ridden tone was heavy as The Holy See admonished, "I wish to emphasize the importance that the various political and economic sectors have in promoting an inclusive approach which takes into consideration the dignity of every human person and the common good. I am referring to a concern that ought to shape every political and economic decision, but which at times seems to be little more than an after-thought."

 

Via The Vatican,

To Professor Klaus Schwab, Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum:

I am very grateful for your kind invitation to address the annual meeting of the WorldEconomic Forum, which, as is customary, will be held at Davos-Klosters at the end of this month. Trusting that the meeting will provide an occasion for deeper reflection on the causes of the economic crisis affecting the world these past few years, I would like to offer some considerations in the hope that they might enrich the discussions of the Forum and make a useful contribution to its important work.

Ours is a time of notable changes and significant progress in different areas which have important consequences for the life of humanity. In fact, “we must praise the steps being taken to improve people’s welfare in areas such as health care, education and communications” (Evangelii Gaudium, 52), in addition to many other areas of human activity, and we must recognize the fundamental role that modern business activity has had in bringing about these changes, by stimulating and developing the immense resources of human intelligence.

Nonetheless, the successes which have been achieved, even if they have reduced poverty for a great number of people, often have led to a widespread social exclusion. Indeed, the majority of the men and women of our time still continue to experience daily insecurity, often with dramatic consequences.

In the context of your meeting, I wish to emphasize the importance that the various political and economic sectors have in promoting an inclusive approach which takes into consideration the dignity of every human person and the common good. I am referring to a concern that ought to shape every political and economic decision, but which at times seems to be little more than an after-thought.

Those working in these sectors have a precise responsibility towards others, particularly those who are most frail, weak and vulnerable. It is intolerable that thousands of people continue to die every day from hunger, even though substantial quantities of food are available, and often simply wasted.

Likewise, we cannot but be moved by the many refugees seeking minimally dignified living conditions, who not only fail to find hospitality, but often, tragically, perish in moving from place to place.

I know that these words are forceful, even dramatic, but they seek both to affirm and to challenge the ability of this assembly to make a difference. In fact, those who have demonstrated their aptitude for being innovative and for improving the lives of many people by their ingenuity and professional expertise can further contribute by putting their skills at the service of those who are still living in dire poverty.

What is needed, then, is a renewed, profound and broadened sense of responsibility on the part of all. “Business is - in fact - a vocation, and a noble vocation, provided that those engagedin it see themselves challenged by a greater meaning in life” (Evangelii Gaudium, 203). Such men and women are able to serve more effectively the common good and to make the goods of this world more accessible to all. Nevertheless, the growth of equality demands something more than economic growth, even though it pre-supposes it. It demands first of all “a transcendent vision of the person” (Benedict XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 11), because “without the perspective of eternal life, human progress in this world is denied breathing-space” (ibid.).

It also calls for decisions, mechanisms and processes directed to a better distribution of wealth, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality.

I am convinced that from such an openness to the transcendent a new political and businessmentality can take shape, one capable of guiding all economic and financial activity within the horizon of an ethical approach which is truly humane. The international business community can count on many men and women of great personal honesty and integrity, whose work is inspired and guided by high ideals of fairness, generosity and concern for the authentic development of the human family. I urge you to draw upon these great human and moral resources and to take up this challenge with determination and far-sightedness. Without ignoring, naturally, the specific scientific and professional requirements of every context, I ask you to ensure that humanity is served by wealth and not ruled by it.

Dear Mr Chairman and friends, I hope that you may see in these brief words a sign of my pastoral concern and a constructive contribution to help your activities to be ever more noble and fruitful. I renew my best wishes for a successful meeting, as I invoke divine blessings on you and the participants of the Forum, as well as on your families and all your work.

 


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Tue, 01/21/2014 - 13:58 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Much of what he says is nice, but I am suspicious of this new pope.  He could make a great start by cleaning out the Church of pedophiles.  Then his words would mean more...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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This coming from the head of a very large organization that doesn't create any wealth.

Like government.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:04 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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Every sentence was followed by a wink-wink....  Society of Jesus, what a joke...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:08 | Link to Comment HoofHearted
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This guy is lecturing people on wealth distribution? Any idea how all those cathedrals in Europe were built? Where is the new Martin Luther (and, no, I'm not talking about Michael King  who eventually "changed" his name after his daddy did- I'm talking about the REAL Martin Luther) to tell this asshole where he can shove it? 

Clean out the pedophiles, give some of the money back to the peasants from all the ornate gold items plus artwork they have, then this guy can talk to us about redistribution of wealth. Oh, or does he mean more distributing wealth to the Vatican???

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:37 | Link to Comment koperniuk666
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The pope has just announced plans to get child abuse in the Catholic church down to acceptable levels by 2018.

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:38 | Link to Comment jbvtme
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i don't trust this guy.  too clean cut and sincere.  i like the other psychopath with those diabolical peepers and sculpted eye teeth. with him your nite time prayers meant something.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:57 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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His motives and the history of the church aside, what makes anyone think that lecturing sociopaths will change their behaviour one iota?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Tijuana Donkey Show
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The current pope beholden to the black pope of the Jesuits. (The head of the Jesuit order.) The Jesuits are a POWERFUL group, and not all Jesuits are priests...... 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_General_of_the_Society_of_Jesus 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:43 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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He's the head of a very old very big organization which has had a horrendous history. The man isn't able to snap his fingers and have the whole works suddenly cleaned out overnight. 

He is speaking to 1.2 billion followers though, so his actions and words have impact. Nice to see a non-fascist pope for a change.  

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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And remember the key word in "Roman Catholic Church" is ROMAN!

After all, it was founded by Emperor Constantine as a means of unifying the Empire under one emperor.

So The Empire has never really vanished entirely and the Pope is more the emperor of this remnant of the Empire rather than a successor to Saint Peter and especially not Jesus!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Grande Tetons
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Print and frame that post, as it is a keeper. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Ziggypig
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I agree with everything you said here.

 

But what the hell does any of that have to do with this post of the Pope and Davos???????? Can we for one moment stop trying to be the smartest in the room and take a speech for what it is. A freaking speech! I am currently banging my head harder on my desk than your animation (Which by the way is great).  


Wed, 01/22/2014 - 04:33 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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yes, the idea of the Roman Empire has never died, in europe. a concept that does not really need emperors, btw. or just one, since the Roman themselves has sometimes two Augusti and two Caesars, at times

the Holy Roman Empire was just a 1'000 years rerun of this idea: that europeans are a kind of big family

the Austrian, the French and the Germans then tried again to unite Europe. regardless of how they did, note that there was always fertile ground for that - except in England

even Russia raised Caesar's banner - in Russian: Tsar

even the founders of the US of A took the Roman Republic as a model, complete with Senate and Capitol

ponder about that, Headbanger. take a step back and reflect on freaking 2'000 years of centralization and decentralization, cooperation and wars

the Roman concepts still live with us

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:38 | Link to Comment jcaz
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His "followers" are diminishing in number every day,  and the only reason he is speaking now is because he's concerned about the cash flow drying up.......

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 17:00 | Link to Comment piceridu
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Has anyone been to the Vatican Museum? The Church and its mouthpieces are and have always been hypocrites of the grandest order. The wealth that was gifted to (stolen by, confiscated by) the Vatican makes Goldman Sachs look like a piker. The Church is a government partner...part of the control apparatus that propagates serfdom. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:09 | Link to Comment outamyeffinway
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Ahh yes, telling the Devil not to sin. Shame won't work here Popus du Jokus.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:17 | Link to Comment pods
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I think the criminals at Davos would be more scared of Jules quoting the bible to them than the pope lecturing them.

pods

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Sofa King Confused
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And Davos says to Pope...............Fuck Off!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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totally agree, the vatican owns 25% of all urban italian real estate. what about paying out some 2% yield for their followers.
Aint goona happen! One of the richest organisations does not give a shit about the people on this planet.
Read the book Vatican Inc. by Gianluigi Nuzzi, what scumbag organization.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:59 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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The ROMAN Catholic Church also owns huge amounts of real estate in the US.

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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and in France, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Romania, Malta, Switzerland, Belgium.......
the world! one of the richest and most corrupt non profit organisations on this planet. Do not believe, Research so that you know!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:16 | Link to Comment silvermail
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We all live in slavery. Our system is a slavery.
One percent of the super-rich people in the world, divided society into two parts slaves.
One part of the population - it's slaves, who have weapons and powers. These slaves are using weapons and powers to force the second part of the population to be slaves.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:17 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Wow, crack a book. You actually said the Catholic Church, the largest private land owners in the world, don't create wealth?

You need to get an education.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:26 | Link to Comment GernB
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The catholic church is indeed powerful if they can create land.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:32 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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Yes, but I'm told they have ceased manufacture...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:41 | Link to Comment jcaz
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.... And you think that owning land creates wealth?

You need to get a clue, let alone an education.....

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:44 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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The great difference is that you don't have to pay the church.  You do have to pay your betters.  Make no mistake, they are better than you.  Arguing otherwise would expose you for a fool since you do pay them, don't you.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:41 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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Exactly the opposite! He is the head of one of the most profitable businesses of all time. Getting suckers to empty their pockets for 2,000 years has bought much real estate and gold. Maybe the Catholic Church should sell all of the opulent shit in Vatican City and live like Jesus. That being said, I actually like this guy. He seems pretty normal for a guy that wears a dress.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:09 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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I am not a Catholic but I am really beginning to like this man. Yes, we are still in the honeymoon period and time will tell if he is genuine. But, I think for the first time there is a modicum of hope. I think Catholics should be proud to have him as Pope and I hope he isn't assassinated.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I am Catholic, and I like him too. He does seem sincere about cleaning up the church. The issue I have is he faults capitalism for the world's economic problems instead of the real problem which is central banks and their debt based currency, as well as cronyism.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:20 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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"Human rights are not only violated by terrorism, repression or assassination, but also by unfair economic structures that creates huge inequalities. Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system."
Pope Francis I 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:38 | Link to Comment OC Sure
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"...As every individual, therefore, endeavors as much as he can both to employ his capital in the support of domestic industry, and so to direct that industry that its produce may be of the greatest value; every individual necessarily labors to render the annual revenue of the society as great as he can. He generally, indeed, neither intends to promote the public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was no part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good. It is an affectation, indeed, not very common among merchants, and very few words need be employed in dissuading them from it." - Adam Smith An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations (1776).

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:23 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Funny how it's always the political tools that are used to limit and control the movement of masses from poverty to wealth... Yet those that are already in the position of wealth are always blaming those that support the idea of letting people move beyond their born "caste" for the inequalities that they enjoy very much at everyone's expense.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:21 | Link to Comment Grande Tetons
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I am also a Catholic who happens to be a Cubs fan. I have been dissapointed my entire life.  I still believe in baseball and hope....so things are not all bad. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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A Cubs fan?  Now that is faith! 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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I was a Catholic.  You should know that he's a proponent of Liberation theology, AKA Christian Marxism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology#Pope_Francis

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Hence my problem with his economic beliefs. I feel he is sincere at heart and he is doing much to shake up a church that needs it, but he does not have a clear understanding of economic issues.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:31 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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No Marxist is sincere at heart, end of story.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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From your link:

 

Francis is uneasy about liberation theology: "The new pope has not been comfortable with liberation theology. It is possible to speak on behalf of the poor without supporting the real fundamental changes that are present with liberation theology.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:02 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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You're quoting Blase Bonpane, A Guatemalan activist Priest who mediated between Christianity and Marxism in South America.  I don't want to destroy your hope, but don't be surprised when the Pope sounds more concerned about the evils of Capitalism, which we don't have, than the evils of Socialism.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 17:20 | Link to Comment gallistic
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Harbanger and Dr. Engali, (yes, I am aware Engali=Catholic)

I do not wish to engage in a sterile, theological debate, but I must make you aware of this and submit it for your own consideration and contemplation.

You are both captured by capitalism's substitution of morality with dollars and cents. You, like many men throughout history, clearly do not understand this substitution of values.

The American brand of Protestantism has been very conveniently accomodating on this score. You are apologists for usury and have become the thieves Jesus himself hated.

You both worship the same Jesus that despised the money men and went to Wall Street (of his day) and kicked their ass. Here are a few Biblical passages to refresh your selective memory.

"And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
Matthew 21:12-13, KJV

"And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise."
John 2:13-16, KJV

"And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; And would not suffer that any man should carry any vessel through the temple. And he taught, saying unto them, Is it not written, My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves."
Mark 11:15-17, KJV

"Contemplate this on the tree of woe"

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 18:39 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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Let me help you understand something which has been warped in your mind by the christian left.
Jesus did not despise money, he was given Gold by the three wise kings at birth for Gods sake. If he did, he would have trashed something like Trajan's Market, those were the ancient equivalents of modern WS. 
You quoted yourself how he went into the "temple of God", and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple.  What part of "temple of God" didn't you understand.  Is WS the temple of God?  You quoted, how Jesus said my house shall be called the "house of prayer"; but ye have made it a den of thieves.  His house of prayer, like the modern Catholic Church, has abandoned him for riches and sin.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 22:35 | Link to Comment gallistic
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Forget the Christian left, it doesn't apply to me at all.

The point was the value substitution involved between what is right and moral and what is profitable and "enriching" ($$$)

No one wins a holy war. I am dropping this.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 23:11 | Link to Comment OC Sure
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What if the measure of one's morality IS the dollars they earn? Why separate the two?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:27 | Link to Comment assistedliving
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"...but he does not have a clear understanding of economic issues."

Who does?  just becuz he's infallible doesnt make him the best HFT of all time..

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Elliott Eldrich
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IMHO, capitalism IS at fault for the world's economic problems, and here's why I see it this way. Fire is a good thing, but also a very bad thing. Fire can be used to keep a house warm, cook food, fabricate things, all kinds of good stuff. But fire is also very destructive, if you fall into a fire you get badly hurt or can even die, fire left unchecked and uncontained has a nasty habit of consuming most things in its path. So the idea with fire is, it can be very useful, but it is very important to keep it contained and controlled. As Washington noted, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.

Now, with that having been said, my argument is that capitalism is a lot like fire. It can be a very good thing, can be very useful for making the stuff and providing the services of modern life. But it can also be a very bad thing, such as when those with lots of money throughly corrupt the political system, deploy "regulatory capture" and then use their power and influence to promote their interests at the expense of everything and everyone else.

I realize some people are so throughly enamored with capitalism that they see it as the answer to every problem, however I am not one of them. I see it more like fire - a dangerous servant and a fearful master, something desperately in need of some form of regulation and containment lest it run wild and wreak havoc. No sane person would want to live without the benefits of fire, but by the same token no sane person would want to try to live in the middle of a runaway firestorm.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:52 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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When you describe capitalism as the bad kind of fire you are no longer decribing capitalism. 

Capitalism is like liberty, you have to fight for it.  The weakness is always the human element.

Sort of like understanding or not understanding capitalism...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:43 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Exactly what is "H" about your "O"?

And then give us an example of a better idea.....

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:25 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Funny how it's always the political tools that are used to limit and control the movement of masses from poverty to wealth... Yet those that are already in the position of wealth and government are always blaming those that support the idea of letting people move beyond their born "caste" for the inequalities that they enjoy very much at everyone's expense.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:25 | Link to Comment highly debtful
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A thoughtful and articulate post, as far as I'm concerned. Well said.   

 

 

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:14 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, uh...  We won't get fooled again.  Snicker-snicker...."

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:48 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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Sadly he doesn't understand the difference between capitalism and fascism.  One must wonder if he understands the difference between those two and marxism.

Time will tell.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:12 | Link to Comment highly debtful
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Same here, although I still consider myself a roman catholic (with some protestant leanings from time to time, I'll admit). And for the record: not all priests are paedophiles, that tune is starting to get to me no end. You'd think that he catholic church is chock full of sexual predators when listening to the politically correct and progressive enlightened citizens in my neighbourhood. Priest bashing still is very trendy, probably because they're no longer a threatening bunch. And it always fascinates me how these people love to elaborate on all the sexual perverts in the catholic church, but never once care to mention, say, some islamic marriages that include nine tot twelve year old girls. 

Seems to me the roman catholic church also did some good from time to time.  

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:13 | Link to Comment TheGardener
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"The guilt-ridden tone" is the give away, Tyler in true style.

You wanna talk about freaking religion ? Talk about guilt.

Since I have no guilt whatsoever, I`m not entitled to talk
about religion, even though I might accept a few that don`t
compromise much for pure contend.

May your gods be yours.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:28 | Link to Comment SamAdams
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"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ." ~Thomas Jefferson

"The Christian church has set up a religion of pomp and revenue in pretended imitation of a person (Jesus) who lived a life of poverty." ~Thomas Jefferson

“We, on our side, are praying to Him to give us victory, because we believe we are right; but those on the other side pray to Him, too, for victory, believing they are right. What must He think of us?” ~ Abraham Lincoln

"I am surrounded by priests who repeat incessantly that their kingdom is not of this world, and yet they lay their hands on everything they can get." ~Napoleon Bonaparte

“I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church. All national institutions of churches ? appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." ~Thomas Pain

"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called 'insanity'. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called 'religion.'"

"Any god that requires small minded bigots to speak for it, is not worth the breath it takes to pray."

"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:33 | Link to Comment Undecided
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As your are blaming the group and not the individual, you are in fact no better then the group your self.

There are many good priests out there that preach the word of god as it should be.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:50 | Link to Comment pods
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Well:

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Matthew 7:18

(full disclosure I do not read nor argue the bible, it just popped in my head so please do not grab 34 other quotes that contradict this one)

pods

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:57 | Link to Comment bluskyes
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All offices exist to hide the inherent corruption within every organization. When the officer begins to display the effect of the organization's corrup[tion, the organization replaces the officer.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:45 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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I used to parrot all those atheist arguments to my Christian friends, making as complete an ass of myself as SamAdams is making of himself here.

In the end, I think C.S. Lewis said it best, "Either Jesus was who he said he was, or he was a madman, or something worse." Dostoyevski gets it right too: "If I had conclusive proof that Christianity was false, I would choose to believe in it anyway."

There is a rational defense for belief in Christianity. This gets me in trouble with most people who know I'm a conservative, but it's high time we admit that the Founding Fathers did not get EVERYTHING right.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:56 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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How could they?  They were human.  Just just got it all righter than anyone else before or since.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:05 | Link to Comment ILLILLILLI
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Once you are willing to believe in anything less than the actual truth, no matter how ennobling, and embrace the nuturing and oh-so-comfortable delusion, then you are lost.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 20:30 | Link to Comment thatthingcanfly
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Yawn.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:44 | Link to Comment OC Sure
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Don't forget this one too, Sam.

"If we go back to the beginnings of things, we shall always find that ignorance and fear created the gods, that imagination, rapture, and deception embellishes them, weakness worships them, custom spares them, and tyranny favors them in order to profit from the blindness of men." Baron D'holbach, System of Nature, 1770

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Undecided
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That is where you are mistaken, because if you are Christian you have nothing to fear, because you have the word of god.

It is not weakness that worships them, it is harder to believe for most then to not to believe, that is why it is called faith.

It does not embellish us, as every Christian know the one thing that god gave us is free will,  If you are a true Christian you are not to judge unless you be judged.

Imagination, rapture, deception in Christianity we call it faith with one key difference. To Imagine would mean it was created by people, to have faith means it was created by god. We do not deceive anyone we may preach the word of god, but it is your free will that allows you to choose what you believe. 

I can say to you that I am not blind because I have faith.

John 9:39 ESV / 124 helpful votes

Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”

FYI, I am not judging you but pointing out the facts of how true Christians think.

Let me ask two questions as you are obviously atheist, What came first the chicken or the egg?  Is science relative or not relative?

 

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 17:10 | Link to Comment OC Sure
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1. The chicken.

2. Not relative.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Undecided
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Thanks,

As a Christian neither the chicken or the egg came first, as creation is considered relative.  There is no time and space for god and spirit, we believe that he could create at any point in time. To say for example if you look at a one year old, to us we would say he looks like he is one, but god could easily say he was born today. Creation at the age of one.

(Science) Not relative, is correct in Christian eyes also because it is only material, and new things contradicting past theories are found every day. A beautiful thing science is.

If I can ask two more question why the chicken?  Also why is the David star designed the way it is?

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 18:19 | Link to Comment OC Sure
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The chicken because actuality precedes potentiality. Logically, the argument is the same as which came first, existence (something) or non-existence (no thing)? My understanding is that existence is eternal. Therefore, we start with what is, the actual, and go from there. Also, tongue-in-cheek, why is the question not asked Which came first, the egg or the chicken?

Not relative for science because it is the means by which humans discover, identify, and understand the facts and laws of nature. Contradictions only exist within a humans incorrect analysis.

I don't know what the David star is or how it is designed, sorry.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Undecided
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Interesting, with your statement in regards to the chicken it almost sounds like it is relative. Just something to ponder

 

Love Science myself, just thought I could point out one way a Christian thinks of science and where it is mentioned in the bible. From a Christian perspective of course.

 

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moved upon the earth. Genesis 1:28

 

I read it as go out and discover what is out there in this beautiful world.

 

What does the David star compromise, two triangles.  one that points up and one that points down.  When you are driving and the road sign points down (triangle) it has a picture usually of swerving lanes etc. This is what we call natures law or human law as some would say.  There is also a triangle road sign that points up one example would be a picture of falling rocks.  We call this gods law.  I am not Jewish myself, but it is just another example of the way we Christians think. 

 

I hope I have cleared up a few misconceptions of Christianity for you, and wish you well.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 19:16 | Link to Comment OC Sure
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Have a look at Raphael's painting named School of Athens.

The two men in the center are add odds; Plato points up signifying his belief in other-worldliness as the true reality of things whose source is of a super nature and Aristotle points down signifying his understanding of this-worldliness that there is no super nature, but instead this is it, right here. Perhaps this is a similar metaphor of your overlapping triangles; Christianity comes from Plato - science, Aristotle.

Best wishes.

http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/school-of-athens.html

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:15 | Link to Comment BandGap
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Perhaps you have missed the fact that this is precisely what he is doing. I was also suspect, but he is quietly, but not slowly,  changing things. Time will tell. That being said, The Pope needs to understand that what is taking place is not capitalism, but theft and greed. Maybe, just maybe, his comments are meant to draw a line.......

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:29 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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All during the middle ages when the Catholic Church ruled Europe with an iron fist; wealth existed to serve the high life styles of the church officials, and was extracted by fraud from the people. His position on this question is so compromised as to be hilarious, or embarrasing; if these loonies were capable of it.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:58 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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One problem with your statement.  He wasn't alive in the middle ages.  For that matter, nobody who was alive in the middle ages is still alive today.

Judge him by his own actions.... we'll see.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Millivanilli
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Afterward he asked a group of children if they wanted a ride on his lap.,

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 17:23 | Link to Comment emersonreturn
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the bbc has a story on the vatican accountant's arrest.  the property he owned.  apparently with a security agent and financial advisor, the cleric attempted bringing a couple billion into italy from switzerland.  

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 17:26 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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The place would be empty.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:01 | Link to Comment The Juggernaut
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                                                                                                                                      Klaus Schwab,

 

End the Fed.

 

Popa Frank
(Thats all the letter should say)

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:00 | Link to Comment _SILENCER
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Coming from the Altar Boy Assrape Collective, this seems hard to swallow.

 

 

 

Ewww.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:16 | Link to Comment BandGap
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You win the Asshole Comment of the Day.

Congrats.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Golden rule still applies, he who has the most gold makes the rules. It looks like WWIII is about ready to break out over this. The Chinese are making their move against USD hedgemony. Regardless of what the money changers may say gold is the most important tier I (that they won't admit) collateral asset underneath all the paper when all is said and done. There is only one round left in the poker game of betting and maneveuring before the cards get put on the table and it is game over. The Germans know the game is up and apparently so do the Turks. Which side they fall to is most likely going to depend upon this last round.

Keep your eyes on the Phillipines. Those disputed islands are the key.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:23 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Yep. "Study your history of Buddism when it came ashore of China." That "little guy" might not be that little either.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Occams_Chainsaw
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You forget the Platinum Rule: Do unto others before they do unto you.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Except the Chinese don't want to nuke anyone. Whoever shoots one of those first in that case the whole world is going to turn against. Syria though important is the distraction. Depending how that plays out Syria becomes expendable real quickly especially if the Turks jump ship. Qatar and Egyptian gas are not going to be the feeder source for Nabucco at that point rendering the need of Syria as a cockblocker to the Arab Gas Pipeline. That whole shit show shifts to Cyprus and Greece next for the last viable field not controlled by Russian interests.

You try to use force projection internationally when you have Marxist in the White House setting up internal class warfare battle going in for the kill against you on the world stage at the same time. You are fighting 3 fronts now unless the treason arrests finally happen.

The Chinese also happen to have about a 1.3T insurance policy they can cash in which effectively will bring the force projection to a halt if you pull the do unto others first card.

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:42 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Do unto others, and haul ass.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:28 | Link to Comment 11b40
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Dup

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:01 | Link to Comment tempo
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Words from the leader of the wealthiest entity on earth. What a load of BS.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:04 | Link to Comment john39
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wealthiest entity on earth? Vatican is a nice strawman at best.  the real wealth is held by those who own/control the central banking system... in the shadows.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:08 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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You don't think they've got a bank?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:17 | Link to Comment john39
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bit player.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:23 | Link to Comment BandGap
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2000 year old bit player? Banks have come and gone while the Catholic Church has shaped history (outside the bounds of Christianity, at times) and you can say that?

We'll be dust and there will still be a Pope and a Church.

Dumbass.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:23 | Link to Comment NIHILIST CIPHER
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P2      Anyone? Anyone?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:02 | Link to Comment kito
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perhaps the Pope should lead by example and start selling off some of the vaticans billions upon billions in wealth through real estate holdings, gold, etc.....

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:20 | Link to Comment cossack55
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The only ones who could afford it are those in Davos and China.  More likely they will divest US properties via bankruptcy

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:32 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Exactly. Silence is his only friend on the question of wealth distribution. Not only a hypocrit but apparently a fool.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Wraith
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Those riches were given as gifts by our (Catholic) ancestors in order to ensure that we had Churches, sacred vessels for Mass, and priests and nuns.  I would prefer it if the Church kept them for that original use rather than dismantling our Church to donate fiat money to the poor of the early 21st century.  The Church does much to help the poor through its individual members - Pope Leo XIII called upon the rich in the Church to maintain their wealth and live a life befitting their position in society but to also help the poor with what's spare.  Many Catholics do just that.  You would do well to remember that the Church (at least traditionally) is one of the staunchest defenders of private property rights.

Prior to the 1960s Popes (post Vatican II) the Catholic Church was very staunchly right wing in its economic and social ideas.  We are living in a bizarre experiment wherein the Church leaders have switched to the "other side".  It is disconcerting for traditional Catholics amongst us who maintain the old ways much to the disgust of the current hierarchy.

Don't attack the Church - attack the men in charge right now who are clueless liberals. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:52 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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Your Catholic ancestors were dummies.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Blano
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Are the clueless liberals any worse than the old pedophiles?  Just wondering.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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The answer is no! There is no group worse than pedophile priests and the monsters who facilitated the rapes. Not even close.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:03 | Link to Comment GOSPLAN HERO
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rGaWcRiNo

BEST VIDEO OF THE DAY.

A MUST VIEW.

GOLD IS GONE !!!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:13 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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FED selling futures contracts (naked shorts) while sending U.S. Gold to China.

That is why we can't give Germany their gold back, because it is GONE.

Definitely worth a view, thanks.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:42 | Link to Comment chunga
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I'm watching the video now.

How the fuck did German gold wind up in the US in the first place?

Are they crazy?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 19:33 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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germany is an occupied country since 1945, hence they have no voting rights on a global level. The US, dictates their foreign policies since then, and always will, until the US agrees on signing a peace treaty with the germans, which they have never done after WW2, and never will, due to having 50K US troops paid for by the Germans on their soil, Research yourself. the victors write the history books.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:02 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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Hey Popester,

The Bible only references gold and silver as money, always refers to debts as bad, and promotes the idea of regular forgiveness or jubilee. All three if pushed would destroy the banksters. I'm not a theologian and I am not an expert on the Bible so you have no excuse for not figuring this one out.

Sincerely,

tarsubil

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:56 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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That's OK, tarsubil.  The Pope and the entire Catholic Church are profoundly non-experts on the Bible.  That's why he's quoting other Popes and his statement bears no resemblence to anything theological.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:02 | Link to Comment NIHILIST CIPHER
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"Humanity is served by wealth, not ruled by it"    Wanna make a bet?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:34 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Exactly; he's got it backwards; and this coming from a representative of the most outrageous practiconeer of ruling the people by wealth in human history.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:06 | Link to Comment Blano
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"The rich rule over the poor" is a direct quote from that Bible thingy.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:03 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Good words from the Pope.

I fear that the Pope's admonitions will not be acted upon without the heat of torches and the sharp tines of pitchforks, or worse.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:09 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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I was kinda hoping for good things from this Pope but this statement above is a bunch of gobbly goop. Does he reference the Bible? He wants to talk about the great virtues of the international business community? Is he serious? Those at Davos do not need an enabler with flowery words. They need to be kicked in the nutsack.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:26 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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He is trying to persuade their conscience.

A kick in the nuts doesn't persuade, as much as they may deserve it.

No government will change this problem, it must come from the locus of individual morality.

Thus, it is a persuasive appeal to the conscience of a group of narcissistically selfish money changers.

Most of the participants at Davos are likely Godless parasites and won't be swayed, but you can't blame the Pope for trying.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:48 | Link to Comment tarsubil
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You mention money changers. Did Jesus say, "Come on, guys. Listen to your virtues," to the money changers or did he violently overthrow their tables and tell them what they were doing was wrong and label them thieves?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:58 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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If the Pope is trying to persuade their (or anyone's) conscience, run for cover.  Because such persuasion is not apt to be properly grounded. 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:45 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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pope francis good words from a satanist really?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7e8ix3W8t0&list=UUCdKpI-Icpmkgwtz7tW3l6g

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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The problem is he is speaking to a bunch of sociopathic central planners whose idea of "spreading the wealth" is the continued destruction of the middle class by distributing its wealth between the have and the have nots...... mostly to the haves.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:23 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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He better had beaten them out of the room with a rope or likewise.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Bunders
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No matter how hard you beat a fool you can't pound out the foolishness. - Proverbs 27:22

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Rising Sun
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"humanity is served by wealth and not ruled by it,"

 

nice hypocritic statement from the vatican - largest private property owner in the world that murders their own

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God%27s_Name

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:06 | Link to Comment _SILENCER
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You never see a Vatican plane landing at the sites of natural disasters.  You never see little Vatican Do Gooder Squads passing out water and blankets and setting up med facilities when a 7.6 earthquake takes out a few of God's children.  Sell some of the goddam art and gold you're hoarding in your Jesus Palace and feed your tribes in these third world shitholes, Papa Pope, and maybe then someone will take you seriously.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:05 | Link to Comment i_call_you_my_base
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I wonder how many people laughed.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Gringo Viejo
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For those unfamiliar with Catholicism, Francis is of the Jesuit order. They're considered the most radically "left" of the various Orders. The SDS of the Church if you will.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:23 | Link to Comment pods
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Thanks, as one who grew up Catholic, I appreciate the information.

:)

pods

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:59 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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And far inferior to the order of Melchizedek.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:14 | Link to Comment Reaper
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Did he enclose envelopes for sending some that wealth to the Church?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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"Well, bless his soul!" as they say in the South.  ;-)

Nice words, nice PR, but what exactly is he prepared to DO about it?  Saved any Christians or Priests from a gruesome death on Syria lately? 

"By their fruits shall ye know them" comes to mind.

p.s. The real reason -- known to very few people -- that Rome picked a Latin American to lead the Church of Rome, is that they need to counter the large number of converts that Mormons and Southern Baptists are making in Latin America, and thus eroding the base of their most populous 'Catholic' region.  IOW, it's about "Preserving Market Share".  --> "Where your treasure is, there is your heart also"

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:16 | Link to Comment Hedgetard55
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When it comes to organized religion, it has always been all about the Benjamins.

Papa Frank should be helping people to lay up their treasure in heaven rather than on earth, but I doubt he even knows what that truly means.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Apeman
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Say what you want, but I like this pope.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:34 | Link to Comment lynnybee
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Say what you want, but I like this pope.   yea, & we all liked Obama, too.   this "new pope" is the same as the old pope, put in place deliberately to propagandise & loot & scan & swindle.  I don't see him redistributing gold back into the pockets of his flock ! 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Apeman
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put in place deliberately to propagandise & loot & scan & swindle

lolwut?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:19 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Work is an ethical construct and must be "taught" via job availibity at a young age. The purpose or meaning of existence is not procreation as evolutionary psychologists implore but teaching responsibility through effort and common purpose. No society or "political construct" that thinks of its young as "unemployable" or "at best a volunteer" will last long. Youth serves us in the end...not doctors, not lawyers, not psychologists, our progeny or "child who pays." Blame the rich but the problem is "working poor." That is the "equation" that mathematically must be solved. The only solution presented from the few remaining of the "Davos Set" is securitization....simply piling all the debt into a "product" slapping an interest rate on it and calling it "AAA." Everything else is printing paper and "changing its Constitution." I find it interesting that the "law of money printing" has been discovered of late. "Time to put our best mind to turn lead into gold again" has failed yet again. The irony of course is that we really can pave our roads with gold now.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:19 | Link to Comment WhiteWolf
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Do as Jesus states sell your clothes and buy two swords (AR-10)

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:24 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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no diss mr pope man.

but you and your demonic church are worth 100s of billions.

store 100s of tons of gold.

and you rape children.

mr pope man you was part of a secret society of sick men that shipped kids around the world for fun times and blood ritual.

a purge of satanists is needed starting with your own humble smirking jesuit head.

 

Kevin Annett: Argentine official to testify against Pope Bergoglio's child trafficking


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h38BpcpthCM&list=UUCdKpI-Icpmkgwtz7tW3l6g...

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:42 | Link to Comment putaipan
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that being said ... i'm still a little concerned that via maratime law my birthbond and the debts of corporation of the usa are all due to the "city" .... and i'm not talking about london. anyone else?

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Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:26 | Link to Comment lynnybee
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TRUST NO ONE.   TRUST IN YOURSELF.  

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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When it comes to God. Cut out the middle man.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:30 | Link to Comment ConManipulation
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Says the head of the Vatican BANK!!!

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:31 | Link to Comment JonNadler
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did Jesus or Paul or any of the apostles talk of redistributing wealth by means of governmnet?

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:34 | Link to Comment TPTB_r_TBTF
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no, not by means of Govt.

The early Christians were voluntary Marxists:

 

And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need. And day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts … (Acts 2:44-46).

 

 

Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to each as any had need (Acts 4:32-35).

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 12:38 | Link to Comment JonNadler
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voluntary is the key word there. If people want to donate all they have to the church it is their private business. Not what Marxism is. Voluntary marxism is a contradiction in words

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:59 | Link to Comment the0ther
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I don't think Francis said those words. Perhaps I need to re-read this but I did not see him use those words.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:34 | Link to Comment Ziggypig
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I know how everyone here at Zerohedge loves to take jabs at these type of opnions but lets be honest and admit that most of what the Pope is saying here makes sense. Agree or disagree with his views, the Cathloic religion, and its history, the message here is a good one. Yes you can spin this every whcich way you want if your trying to make a point on your own belifes, and yes the Catholic Church should do allot more self examination of it's own policies, but that's not the topic here. 


Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:04 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Point well taken.  However, there is a (too) large population on the planet that mistakenly view the Pope as an infallible, if not divine, individual.  So his words carry more weight than others.  The real question is why does the Papacy feel obligated to costantly weigh in on social and economic matters?  All that does is distract from the message they are supposed to deliver.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Ziggypig
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I agree with that. I just think that we have become so polarized that even if someone (Pope, politicians, CEO's) whatever try to make a rational argument they are completely trashed by the other side. I just think we should start listening more to one another and even admit that maybe some of the ideologies we hold at heart, might be wrong. I think the Pope knows the Catholic Church has been on the wrong side of many issues in the past and while I certainly don't believe any human being to be all knowing and wise, I do think he is genuinely trying to fix some of these issues. Somewhere in all this mess there has to be some logical common ground don’t you think? 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Richard Whitney
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He is a socialist who rails against capitalism and who coddles up to Islam. He speaks from the Vatican, engulfed in the EU where they denied any connection to their Christian roots. He has the same contempt for Americans that the Vatican has had for a long time, the same country that has "In God We Trust" on its currency and was founded on religious freedom. This man is untrustworthy. He learned his economics from Mrs. Kirschner and his political science from Vatican mandarins. Don't be fooled by him.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:48 | Link to Comment bluskyes
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This from the bastard, who arguable controls the wealthiest, and most corrupt pseudo-state in the world?

What is his plan to distribute the Vatican's wealth?

 

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Catullus
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They replaced the philosopher pope with this mental midget.

The "inequality" is the new "imbalances" jargon that has no basis in economics or philosophy. It has been meaningless tripe for years.

But these "enhanced mechanisms and processes for wealth distribution" can only mean one thing: using the thug/criminal/political class and their state apparatus to steal from to give to the other. And the naïveté to think that they won't turn the gun on the same people you think they're trying to help. Or perhaps the mental midget can explain how the "inequality" argument isn't just coveting wealth. That it's somehow less sinful than the greed which he claims causes the inequality itself.

I've been catholic all my life and I can't believe they allowed this pinko to lead the flock.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Jeepers Creepers
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The new Pope sounds like a Marxist.

 

Too many people, including many Zero Hedgers, think that because there are some rich, crooked Wall Street bankers, we should get rid of free market capitalism altogether.  I would argue SOCIALISM is the reason these Central bankers and Wall Street fat cats got to where they are.

 

The gap between the rich and poor is not a moral issue, it's how that wealth was created.  True free market capitalism is the ultimate check and balance.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 15:40 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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The message went to great lengths in an effort to assure the "LOOK! A MARXIST!" crowd that he in fact is not an advocate of marxism, and yet the conditioned knee-jerk reaction pushes through. Oh well.

Tue, 01/21/2014 - 16:27 | Link to Comment Jeepers Creepers
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Wealth redistribution is Marxism. And no, someone saying "I'm not a Marxist" doesn't mean they get a pass when they peddle Marxist ideology. 

I'm sure Obama would also say he's belives in the free market.  So what.

 

Society has a lot of moral problems, but this Pope is seems more obsessed with his Liberation Theology hobby horse issue.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 00:57 | Link to Comment the0ther
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Hyperbole much? More likely there are very very few on ZH who would agree that free market capitalism must end. Maybe one or two whackjobs but most here are looking to seriously bust up cronyism, not capitalism. It's untrue that what we live with now is free market capitalism.

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