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"Endless Growth" Is the Plan & There Is No Plan B

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Submitted by Chris Martenson via Peak Prosperity,

After five years of aggressive Federal Reserve and government intervention in our monetary and financial systems, it's time to ask: Where are we? 

The "plan," such as it has been, is to let future growth sweep everything under the rug. To print some money, close their eyes, cross their fingers, and hope for the best.

On that, I give them an "A" for wishful thinking – and an "F" for actual results.

For the big banks, the plan has involved giving them free money so that they can be "healthy." This has been conducted via direct (TARP, etc.) and semi-direct bailouts (such as offering them money at zero percent and then paying them 0.25% for stashing that same money back at the Fed), and indirectly via telegraphing future market interventions so that the big banks could 'front run' those moves to make virtually risk-free money.

This has been fabulously lucrative for the big banks that are in the inner circle. As we've noted somewhat monotonously, the big banks enjoy "win ratios" on their trading activities that are, well, implausible at best.

Here's a chart of J.P. Morgan's trading revenues for the first three quarters of 2013, showing how many days the bank made or lost money:

(Source)

Do you see the number of days the bank lost money? No? Oh, that's right. There weren't any.

Now, for you or me, trading involves losses, or risk. Sometimes you win, and sometimes you lose. There appears to be zero risk at all to JP Morgan's trading activities. They won virtually all of the time over this 9-month period.

That's like living at a casino poker table for months and never losing.

Of course, Bank of America/Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, and a few other U.S.-based banks were able to turn in roughly similar results. Pretty sweet deal being a bank these days, huh?

So one might think, Well, that's just how banks are now. Bernanke's flood of liquidity is allowing them to simply 'win' at trading. If true (which it appears to be), we can't call this trading. The act of "trading" implies risk. And it's clear that what the big banks are doing carries no risk; otherwise they would be posting at least some degree of losses. We should call it sanctioned theft, corporate welfare, cronyism the list goes on. And it is most grossly unfair, as well as corrosive to the long-term health of our markets.

Therefore, sadly, I have to give Bernanke an A++ on his objective of handing the banks a truly massive amount of risk-free money. He's done fabulously well there. 

But will this be sufficient to carry the day? Will this be enough to set us back on the path of high growth? 

And even if we do magically return to the sort of high-octane growth that we used to enjoy back in the day, will that really solve anything?

Endless Growth Is Plan A Through Plan Z

The problem I see with the current rescue plans is that they are piling on massive amounts of new debts.

These debts represent obligations taken on today that will have to be repaid in the future. And the only way repayment can possibly happen is if the future consists of a LOT of uninterrupted growth upwards from here.

It's always easiest to make a case when you go to silly extremes, so let's examine Japan. It's no secret that Japan is piling on sovereign debt and just going nuts in an attempt to get its economy working again. At least that's the publicly stated reason. The real reason is to keep its banking system from imploding.

After all, exponential debt-based financial systems function especially poorly in reverse. So Japan keeps piling on the debt in rather stunning amounts:

(Source)

That's up nearly 40% in three years (!).

It's the people of Japan who are on the hook for all that borrowing, now standing well over 200% of GDP. So here's the kicker: In 2010, Japan had a population of 128 million. In 2100, the 'best case' projected outcome for Japan is that its population will stand at 65 million. The worst case? 38 million.

So...who, exactly, is going to be paying all of that debt back?

The answer: Japan's steadily shrinking pool of citizens. 

This is simple math, and the trends are very, very clear. Japan has a swiftly rising debt load and a falling population. Whoever it is that is buying 30-year Japanese debt at 1.69% today either cannot perform simple math, or, more likely, is merely playing along for the moment but plans on getting out ahead of everybody else.

But the fact remains that Japan's long-term economic prospects are pretty terrible. And they will remain so as long as the Japanese government, slave to the concept of debt-based money, cannot think of any other response to the current economic condition besides trying to shock the patient back to vigorous life by borrowing and spending like crazy.

If, instead, Japan had used its glory days of manufacturing export surpluses to build up real stores of actual wealth that would persist into the future, then the prognosis could be entirely different. But it didn't.

The U.S. Is No Different

Except for some timing differences, the U.S. is largely in the same place as Japan twenty years ago and following a nearly identical trajectory.  Currently, it's an economic powerhouse, folks are generally optimistic on the domestic economic front (relatively speaking), and its politicians are making exceptionally short-sighted decisions. But the long-term math is the same.

There's too much debt representing too many promises. The only possible way those can be met is if rapid and persistent economic growth returns.   

However, even under the very best of circumstances, where the economy rises from here without a hitch say, at historically usual rates of around 3.5% in real terms (6% or more, nominally) we know that various pension and entitlement programs will still be in big trouble.

Worse, we know that the environment is screaming for attention based on our poor stewardship. Addressing issues such as over-farming, water wastage, and oceanic fishery depletion to say nothing of carbon levels in the atmosphere - will be hugely expensive. 

Likewise, a complete focus on consumer borrowing and spending at the exclusion of everything else (except bailing out big banks, of course), along with a dab of excessive state security spending, has left the U.S. with an enormous infrastructure bill that also must be paid, one way or the other. That is, short-term decisions have left us with long-term challenges.

But what happens if that expected (required?) high rate of growth does not appear?

What if there are hitches and glitches along the way in the form of recessions, as is certain to be the case?  There always have been moments of economic retreat, despite the Fed's heroic recent attempts to end them. Then what happens?

Well, that's when an already implausible story of 'recovery' becomes ludicrous.

If we take a closer look at the projections, the idea that we're going to grow even remotely into a gigantic future that will consume all entitlement shortfalls within its cornucopian maw becomes all but laughable.

Of course, the purpose of this exercise is not to make fun of anyone, nor to mock any particular beliefs, but to create an actionable understanding of the true nature of where we really are and what you should be doing about it.

In Part II: Why Your Own Plan Better Be Different, we examine more deeply the unsustainability of our current economic system and why it is folly to assume "things will get better from here."

Given the unforgiving math at the macro altitudes, the need for adopting a saner, more prudent plan at the individual level is the best option available to us now.

Click here to access Part II of this report (free executive summary; enrollment required for full access).

 

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Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:05 | 4357359 LawsofPhysics
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Endless or limitless growth in a biosphere with all kinds of limits that are very real?  Hhmm, good luck with that.  Paging Dr. Krugman (you useless fuck)...

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:07 | 4357376 nope-1004
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Plan A:  Print like crazy, so none of my homies go broke.

Plan B:  Uhhh.... maybe...... uhhhh....... retry Plan A multiple times (QE1, QE2, QE Lite, OpTwist, QE3, QE4), then issue statement that you're not insane and Einstein was an idiot.

Regards,

Liar Ben

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:42 | 4357497 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Live within your means.  The more credit cards you have to pay for, the harder you have to work!!  Simple as that.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:27 | 4357638 satoshi101
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In 1972 the USA went full bankrupt, since then it went FULL-RETARD.

When will it end?

When the world quicks taking USD, when is that? When the USA quits killing people abroad?

When is that? ... Now we're in an endless cycle, aren't we?

So long as the USA can rob&rape the world, the world will take USD, and thus the USA can print to the moon?

How long? I fear we have reached the END OF HISTORY.

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:59 | 4357734 new game
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plan b is to adapt like a wolf and join the right pack...

got night vision.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:22 | 4357820 old naughty
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Well...endless growth, population wise. No? Even the Chinese allows second child...

Oh, this piece of shit-rock can take moar sheeples, no?

And their plan is still Plan A, openly displayed as the 'guidestones'.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:27 | 4358026 SF beatnik
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More and more people, but not to worry. World elites are taking away the punch bowl.  Soon,  folk everywhere will live ten to a room. They'll wear rags and eat rice and beans.

Healthcare will become a triage system. You need a stent, grampa? We can do that, but the line for stents is ten years long.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:50 | 4358145 satoshi101
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Well there is the WELFARE state and WAR state and both get unlimited punch-bowl FIAT ( yellen hillary share same asshole )

Hillary 2016 my guess will keep WAR, but will add to the WELFARE punch-bowl, otherwise she wouldn't get elected would she?

How long can this last?

As long as HILLARY-2016 kills anybody that stand in her way,... don't worry CHELSEA is every bit as bad to the bone.

It's coming forever to you.

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Also HILLARY will have a drive west where lesbian troops FEMA/DHS will drive red-necks off their land for re-settlements, HILLARY VOTERS will lover her forever.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 05:17 | 4358190 old naughty
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rig-lected, you mean?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 10:13 | 4358596 Flakmeister
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Too funny....

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 07:07 | 4358235 negative rates
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No, there's still more, and most of it is your suffering.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:08 | 4357390 Bastiat
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That's how our compounding debt money system will drive us to collapse, if not extinction.  I say extinction because a systemic collapse will take us there: Fukushima offers a graphic lesson in what hundreds of spent fuel pools will do without constant support. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:20 | 4357429 TeamDepends
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And the geniuses at GE installed those same reactors all over the world.  Happy camping!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:26 | 4357444 Skateboarder
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Best in class... at blowing up after spent rod cooling bye bye.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:32 | 4357462 TeamDepends
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Instead of giving them a gold watch, let's give them a swimming pool in the penthouse.

Genius!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:07 | 4357579 Obchelli
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Chines PMI just crashed below 50. 49.5 against 50.6 expectations... Futures which where masterfyully floated up 4 points in adavnce only ereased gains. With Satanic Fed at helm won't be surprised to see futures up by 10 in the morning 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:24 | 4357632 TheRideNeverEnds
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Of course, we have entered the no turning back phase; I expect that we will not have a meaningull pullback from now till one day when the market just falls straight out of bed.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:31 | 4357464 Stuck on Zero
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The environment may be bounded but virtual digital money is nearly limitless.  Dow to infinity!

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:29 | 4357650 Spanky
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Dow to infinity... and beyond!

There, fixed it for ya.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 00:33 | 4357960 Againstthelie
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But the problem is, that the force to grow leads to all kinds of incentives to create growth. And this strive will destroy the planet. It doesn't matter if an insanely high living standard and saturated markets do not really grow anymore. The interest debt slavery force keeps the wheel spinning at an artificial fast speed, the environment is destroyed while we, like Zombies, consume, consume, consume.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:44 | 4358143 satoshi101
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Fone star has announced he will increase BITCOIN from 21 million to 21 billion. So let's party like there is no tomorrow,

Bicoin Nirvanna is here now.

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:11 | 4357592 eclectic syncretist
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The Fed's plan is simple.  Steve Jobs will be revived in the zombie apocolypse, taken hostage by the Fed, and forced to develop a new smart phone that will purify water, grow crops, and produce limitless quantities of oil.  No worries.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:05 | 4357766 Bunga Bunga
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They should be hanged for planned mass murder and property damage in the trillions.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:03 | 4357371 Dr. Engali
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There is a plan B..... depopulation.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:06 | 4357378 LawsofPhysics
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The problem with such plans is the random nature with which they tend to actually occur...

History is very clear on this, hedge accordingly.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:31 | 4357461 NoDebt
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No depopulation.  Just this in the future:

"Except for some timing differences, the U.S. is largely in the same place as Japan twenty years ago and following a nearly identical trajectory."

Not like I haven't been saying that since forever on ZH.  Sounds unstable as it can be, but it's not.  It's perhaps the best of the current array of bad choices and TPTB know it.  It's the goal at this point.  None of them want collapse.  As LOP points out, those sorts of upheavals have a very random nature to them- no guarantees can be offered to those in power, let alone the general population.  Kick and scream all you want, it's where we're going.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 07:09 | 4358237 negative rates
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Wrong about history, that's why we have words like sleepy, and slow. Not so you can use and abuse them as one pleases.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:15 | 4357408 El Vaquero
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I'm not even so sure it's a plan, but rather an inevitability. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:47 | 4357514 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"You hear that Mr. Anderson?  That is the sound of....Inevitablility......the sound of your..DEATH."

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:30 | 4357458 LetThemEatRand
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"There is a plan B..... depopulation."

I debate with my wife on this point (she agrees with you).  My take is that they are perfectly happy with shit loads of us working for slave wages in a Lord/Serf model.  Fewer people tend to be more self-sufficient.  If there are too many people, they fight over the crumbs and there is ample cheap labor and others willing to do anything.  China is a good example of the model I think they have for us.  

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:42 | 4357490 Dr. Engali
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Sooner than later we are going to get to a level of automation where they don't need us to serve them, build or buy their stuff. Other than keeping a few of us around in order to remind them of their superiority they won't need us breathing their air any longer. We will be obsolete to them.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:51 | 4357526 LetThemEatRand
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All valid arguments, as I tell Mrs. Rand.  Perhaps it is a question of the truth being somewhere in the middle.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:41 | 4357678 satoshi101
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It's not about truth, or who is right or wrong.

It's about survival, and caring for your family.

Anybody who keeps their family or themselves in a 'war zone' is suicidal, homocial, or a sociopath, whoops I just defined the majority of TV watching ameriKKKans.

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There is no validity to anything, the issue how to you 'plan' for your personal survival, and your dependents.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 07:53 | 4358262 new game
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truth right and wrong is the game like red/blue politics.

keep playing the righteous gmae whilst they do what clearly they do.

has nothing todo with right wrong-that is for fools.

we are at the point of opting out and what is best for your

own survival. agreed satosh-clearly you see beyond the crap and cut

to the outcome. fight or flight, only two options while opting out(buying time to prepare for the inevitable)...

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:58 | 4357551 centerline
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DARPA is working feverishly on this.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:14 | 4357601 alien-IQ
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Their perceived superiority is measured by the number of people they rule/control/enslave/destroy.

No robot will ever replace that. If that were the case, there would never be any rapes due to the availability of mechanical vaginas.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:16 | 4357607 El Vaquero
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All that automation takes energy, and energy in usable forms is getting harder to extract.  Physics > oligarchical desires. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:30 | 4357648 Baldrick
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and that is why automation does not matter. the energy deficit will become VERY noticible before 2016.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:34 | 4357662 Dr. Engali
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When you have a few billion fewer people suddenly the energy issue solves itself.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:38 | 4357857 El Vaquero
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EROEI is going down.  It takes more energy to extract usable energy than it did even a couple of decades ago, and that trend is not getting any better.  A few billion fewer only extends things for a time, and that's assuming that you didn't kill too many of those who extract the energy.  What is coming will have an adverse effect on everybody, and the oligarchs are no exception to this because it is not they who are in charge.  Mother Nature is. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:33 | 4358029 Flakmeister
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The billion people you have to get rid of are oil consumers...

Not just any billion...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:04 | 4358041 prains
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Love the new Cenovus Ad Campaign.... they're going with the slogan

 

"Oil will keep people, products and the global economy moving forward.....(wait for it).......for decades to come"

 

WTF!! are you kidding me??? They're markieting oil prodution now in the timeframe of decades like that's something to be proud of and so far reaching that there's nothng to worry about. Ho Lee Fuk just rolled over in his grave.

 

I don't know how big the stupid stick has to get before people reverse engineer themselves to un-fucking-stupid but at this point the stick needs a crane and at least a decade of fuel. Here's their Ad.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUyWk9YqOIk

 

douche bags 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:45 | 4357508 satoshi101
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Well lets compare rand, ... the USA to china

I have traveled all over china, and I live here,

In no place in CHINA do you have METH villages, or dog boning like in the USA, I mean in the USA places like San Diego have gone FULL METH, and place like Tacoma have gone to the dogs.

Post american's are not happy, they have terrible commutes in their shitty car's sitting on freeways, ... spend all their money on 'insurance', spend all their time reporting to IRS and have the most in prison.

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Then go to rural china, where most people live, they farm, they fuck, they let the children roam the village as infants, there is no glass or nails anywhere on the ground, nobody ever gets hurt. There is no insurnace, no commutes not misery, and no drug use,

I go back to anywhere Rural america, and I just see 3-4 generation of WELFARE, its terrible ugly

In CHINA there is NO welfare, parents take care of kids, and kids take care of parents. That right there is a BIG difference between USA and CHINA ( or anywher in asia ).

The USA model is not happy, the people are ugly, and fat and miserable, the children are drugged watching TV, in asia the children run around all day smiling and happy.

I might add too, if a person was ever to hurt a child in any way that man would be DEAD and quick in asia, ... familys don't put up with that shit, and the guy would be fed to the pig's and the cops would never even hear about it, ...

In the USA people are so afraid of BAD that children can't even play anymore cuz the system coddles perverts, ...

So when you talk about the MODEL, of PTB want america to be like ASIA, no I don't think so, because the USA model has never been about love, or family, or village, ...

The USA model was always a prison, it was always plantation owner, house-worker, and field-worker. USA was always about toil.

I remember when I first came to ASIA I marveled how most people spent the day just playing checkers with rocks in the dirt all day, ... totally happy alcohol free companionship.

Never see a fucking cop, never.

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In the city's of ASIA people have to work, to pay the rent, ...so there is no time to relax, but its fairly much the same, extended familys live in a flat, and take care of the kids.

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There are some VERY deep difference between asia and usa, and nobody can ever teach a hair-lip america, to be an asia, ... just like you cannot take a IQ-60 guy and make him IQ-148, ... you can't make  a silk purse out of a BIT-TURD.

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:50 | 4357519 LetThemEatRand
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"Never see a fucking cop, never"

It's the smog.  And it's hard to find a cop inside a worker dorm.  And if the people speak out they are sent to prison camp.  And their internet is strictly controlled and the people are okay with that because they are brainwashed worker bees.  But preach on of the benefits of living in a top driven pure fascist state.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:21 | 4357625 satoshi101
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I spent less than 10 words talking about 'city life' and 1000 words village life, yet you go right to ugly city, sure beijing, but then you have shitty city's in all of the USA, who would live there?

China and ASIA are HUGE places full of paradise's

The USA is the PURE fascist Police State, make no fucking mistake, I can go for weeks and never see a cop, nobody wants to see a cop, nobody calls the cop,

Why do you spout shit from a 1950's anti-china shit? DO you really believe that shit? or is it just /sarc? CHINA is 100% pure capitalism, and the USA is 100% pure orwellian-socialism.

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Smog? Let's remember the USA exported all its jobs to CHINA, and thus SMOG, but why would anyone choose to live in a chinese or a usa shit-hole?

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The world is FULL of good places, get out and travel folks and find the good place for you and your loved ones, cuz 1938 USA hillary-2016 is coming soon, and soon the world will not accept ameriKKKan refugees.

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:51 | 4357877 Future Jim
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The Chinese people have been disarmed, and the rural Chinese consume little non-renewable resources, so for now, they are currently allowed to live - until TPTB decide otherwise.

The police state in America is more prominent because it will have to disarm the American people soon, so that America can be a paradise like China. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:59 | 4358049 satoshi101
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I have already said this is NOT possible.

China the children stay with and take care of parents forever, there is no WELFARE in china, take your fucking american centric knowledge and go fuck your self with a rusty railroad tie.

I mean come on, no fucking comparison to a asian family, and there tight bonds and to a white red-neck poverty METH family.

The ASIANS work, they save, they all have gold drug use is non-existant.

Fuck the notion of 'GUN' my fucking god, ... some dickhead has a GUN so fucking what?

Now you got me pissed Jeff Cooper used to say "Owning a gun doesn't make you a shooter anymore than owning a guitar makes you a musician", it takes years of training to be a musician, and it takes 5+ years of special force training to make a MAN.

None of you are MEN. I have trained my entire life. Most men in CHINA can fight, most 8 year old boys can kill most 25 year old white guys that come over here to train. Don't tell me about freedom and your guns, ... GUNS aren't worth shit.

Here this if your GUNS meant something the USA wouldn't be already a boiled frog some 40 years ago. The GUNS meant shit yesterday and they'll mean shit tomorrow.

A man is a man with his hands, with a knife, with bow&arrow, with making bombs from chemicals, a GUN is just one tool of 1,000's.

Jeff is RIGHT most americans just own a guitar, but don't know fuck about music,... ditto for GUN, most americans can't hit the side of barn, let alone play a sniper-rifle like a fiddle in all conditions out 500 yards,... takes year of perfect training to teach a man to handle a gun, in the USA what you have is morons OWNING guns doesn't mean shit.

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Jeff Cooper was the FATHER OF MODERN USA HANDGUN COMBAT.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:03 | 4358058 satoshi101
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The USA will never become a 'paradise' post hillary gun grab, it will be mass genocide. COMPECHE?

The rural/urban are the new INJUNS in the USA, ... why the hell do you think they made OBAMA  prez, cuz the plan all along was to take the white red-neck out first, then the others will be easy.

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Chinese culture TAOISM is not about the gubmint FUCKING the people, but USA going back to 1776 is about GUBMINT fucking the people. You cannot compare CHINESE CULTURE TO USA HOMOCIDE.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:47 | 4357881 TheReplacement
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It sucks being told how much your country sucks, especially from a bitcoiner.  satoshi101 is right on some things. 

I disagree in that I believe China is a tyrannical state too.  They have just found a way to mask it or soften the edges.  The PBOC can pick winners and losers at a whim.  That right there disqualifies them.  We all have read about the massive corruption at the top of the nation's leadership.  China is not something to emulate.  As soon as you get a madman in charge you will understand why.

Both peoples have a lot of work in front of them.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:30 | 4358028 prains
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Agree with you Rep, Satoshi and Rand both make valid points but the arguements on both sides quickly devolve into the Red Team Blue Team rhetoric. The jist of both arguements is that people working in communities work better together than governments running communities. Each country have a slight variation on the theme and have to hide or mask their flaws in different ways. Maybe the answer lies for both countries in smaller community based democracies where the ruling Oligarchs get fed to all these pigs Satoshi keeps talking about. Just a thought....

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:56 | 4358051 satoshi101
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RED&BLUE team are in your mind, there is only TEAM HILLARY/obama/bush/clinton... forever.

ZH is team rush limbaugh, but he's still msm

but limbaugh and HUFF are all on the same team.

There is only one team,

Anybody that still thinks that there is ONLY NAZI in the usa is an ostriche

Huff exists to keep morons on left distracted

shit like zh exists to keep morons on right distracted,

but the PTB is where you need to turn your eye

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:01 | 4358057 prains
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yu no read so good......

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:08 | 4358063 satoshi101
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nope you just pissed me off with your red/blue non-sense.

I have said many times here there is only one gubmint. There is no red/blue, its just to keep people fighting,

There is ONLY one PTB, but there are many tribes that the PTB would prefer the tribes to all kill each other, then the PTB just waits until the civil war is over.

but yes, ZH is clear right wing THINK, just like HUFF or KUNSTLER is LEFT, so what?

To deny that ZH is right wing is moronic, ron paul is repuglican, enough said,

U mentioned red/blue not me,...

china/japan all asia,... is all homogenous, only in the USA do you have this stupid fucking bullshit... long ago liberal meant liberty (jefferson), and conservative (teddy roosevelt) mean 'conservation', both meant something, todays its like tower of babel, and IQ dropping below 70

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:22 | 4358075 prains
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yu missed the point of the reference....i was making an analogy between yu and Rand as arguing a similar point of view much the same as many here who adopt a Red Team/Blue Team pathos. (Except that Red= China and Blue=nSSA). Both of yu make the case that "mine is better than yours" when outside the cirlce of fuck those of us lookiing on know both of your claims are false. China is a shit hole, nSSA is a shit hole, it's not even debatable, it's a fact..... you both belong to the foulest version of modern humanity and it's not and opinion it's already an historically proven fact.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:50 | 4358093 satoshi101
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I have traveled the world, and I can live anywhere on earth, and I have found paradise.

I can live in the USA if I wish, but everywhere in the BUSH I see nut cases and METH-HEADS.

Living in remote Asian I only see happiness and love.

Perhaps it because the west only stole America a few 100 years ago from the INJUNS, but the asians have lived together for 15,000 years.

The asians have figured it out, the USA has NOT.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:02 | 4358105 prains
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....neither have figured it out, but delusion is a good if not necessary thing. Yu live with other humans who are all flawed in their own selfish deterministic ways like the rest of us, so yu face the same trials and tribulations as all of us do. Where yu choose to shit at night makes no difference, just the amount of delusion to keep yu shitting in the same spot.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:13 | 4358116 satoshi101
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You obviously have never lived near METH HEADS, and you have obviously never lived in a remote asian village of peace and happiness.

**

The west values MONEY, but asians value family and happiness.

Some of the happiest people on earth are the poor, and the most sick and unhappy are the rich.

Look at YELLEN and HILLARY-CLINTON, nasty ugly mean bitches, what did their money and power get them? Nothing

**

When I was young I lived near hell's angels and meth-heads of all types,... no thanks not for me.

If I want to jump on my bike and get drunk and not fear a cop, that's my business, freedom, something that the USA lost long ago.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:20 | 4358123 prains
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The west values MONEY, but asians value family and happiness.

 

but the floating pigs and melamine babies were just a "mistake". LOL nice distinction between the west and east as somehow the east is somehow intirinsically different.... yu need to take that fork in front of yu and stab it into your forehead for just ...........basically talking shit that is too stoopid to justify me staying up and drinking too much to lash yu repeatedly with your own stoopid remarks. Don't get me wrong, with your flawed ESL, i like some of the shit yu come up with, just laced to much with the melamine bood sauce. But again keep up the slightly more than mediocre work..... sometimes when training it just takes reps

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:40 | 4358140 satoshi101
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randy weavers wife

branch davidian children

kent state

bonus boys

 

yep, never happend move along

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 00:20 | 4357942 Anusocracy
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Americans haven't yet awakened to the fact that they are the new Indians on the reservation.

But the amazing thing is they volunteered for it.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:44 | 4358039 satoshi101
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wow BEST COMMENT HERE TODAY

FUCK yes, anybody who studys PALESTINE

Knows the MILITARIZATION of the US police force came from ISRAEL

That Israel calls themselves SETTLERS on palastinian land and kills millions of children, just like the USA.

If Israel can slaughter people with UN approval, why will the USA not slaughter its 'palestinians'.

Almost all us citizens will be designated 'terrorists' by CLINTON, and good clean white lesbians will be asked to 'settle' on white-trash land.

It's coming, and backed by the full power of law enforcement.

**

 

Fuck yes the POOR white 'male' american, is now the INJUN, and he's ready to be given small pox blankets, and its coming rural and urban.

***

 

Most funny of all is that WHITE MAN will not even fight back, that's whow pussified he has become.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:01 | 4358056 prains
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yu no speak fork tongue but fo part about white man no fight back. Fucking

 

WRONG !!

 

it won't be big or awe inspiring but don't doubt for a second there isn't 5 million who will do what it takes.... and some bitchez! are gonna get slapped

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:46 | 4358089 satoshi101
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The HILLARY2016 team is running right from the HITLER rule book about how to round up 10's of millions of people and send them off to camps without any fighting.

CAMP FEMA will have wonder-woman and her lover super-dog on TV 24/7,... tying the knot , ameriKKKans' will be fighting each other to be the first on the train to CAMP-FEMA.... where they will be DIE.

***

I see no sign of fighting, it didn't happen the last 50 years, and it will not happen in the future, 99% of the US white trash public will silently be led to their death.

 

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:52 | 4357529 centerline
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Unless people here have traveled enough, they haven't a clue how sad the US has become in many ways.  Yeah, there are alot of good things too.  This isn't all about bashing the US here.  But, if we are talking about handling a multi-generational economic meltdown like Japan... well... it isn't going to work the same.  The US would tear itself apart.

Ironically, the US is like any overworked horse.  You aren't going to be able to whip it much more before it drops dead.  

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:42 | 4358086 satoshi101
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There is nothing left 'good' in the USA to defend.
When janet reno murdered the branch davidian chidlren, most smart people saw that the USA had gone full NAZI retard, and that was 15+ years ago.

**

The horse being worked isn't the problem is that are 250million to many unproductive mouths to be fed in the USA, and it costs too much to imprison them, or to kill them.

Thus my personal guess is biological weapons. The Israelis years ago perefect iso-cyanate pills deposited in the AIR by plane or ballon, that can take 1-6 months to release the agent,... its all a done deal, ... just need lots body bags and bulldozers.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 09:13 | 4358375 centerline
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Reading all your posts this morning it is clear you are very jaded.  You are forgetting that history has been unkind virtually everywhere, including Asia.  These cycles come around.  They happen because of human nature.  Perhaps it is Western Civilizations time to turn on the spit.  Who knows.

Any government, percieving it's people to be a threat can turn on said people and commit the nastiest crimes against humanity.  Has happened everywhere for all sorts of perceived reasons.

The US has been a workhorse.  It is the most overworked nation in fact, of developed nations.  The economics of this engine is what leads to the outcome of more and more unproductive mouths to feed.  The system can only expand so far before yield dries up and liquidation begins.  All the efforts of governments to squash the business cycle ony wind up making more real and devastating in human terms.

What you percieve as planned, I see as the logical outcome from a lack of planning coupled with the desire for the elite of the world to maintain thier stations.  Eventually it gets ugly.  Always does.  And this time it is going to epic.  There wont be a continent or nation unaffected negatively by what is coming.  Including Asia.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:16 | 4358118 PN7
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Satoshi 101....China sounds like the America I grew up in in the 1940s.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:27 | 4358130 satoshi101
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I think all people, in their purest FORM where there are no criminals or deviants where everybody has abundant food, where all men have a wife and a child, that everybody is happy.

[ In rural china you could always have 2 children, and I have friends who have 5 children ]

That if you have a cop or soldier, they're related to the village. It's called HAPPINESS, and its UNIVERSAL.

AMERICAN WHAT WENT WRONG.

Well I can tell you that if your in the USA and you feel like a PALESTINIAN, its because the USA got 'occupied' by the NAZIS in 1930's, basically right wing LIKUD Zionist nuts, and they systematically since the 1950's have made the USA into Occupied Palestine.

How?

1.) Make sure the cops are from another state, so they don't live near or empathize with the victim

2.) Make sure the soliders that occupy an area come from far away, so they will shoot to kill on order.

Long ago in the USA nobody would think to let a sheriff or judge, or cop, or MIL be an outsider, but in the last 40 years the frog was boiled, now every american is held hostage in his own country.

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:45 | 4357510 centerline
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That assumes we have not already overshot such a "landing zone" by a country mile.

My take is that no one is planning for anything on that scale.  It is just a hedonistic grab at rock star lifestyles and unimaginable wealth.  The religion of MORE.  Hookers and blow.  Yatchs and fast cars.  Money for nothing and your chicks for free - ha ha.  An endless summer bought and paid for by fraud.

Where this leads?  I figure it depends on where you are.  YMMV I suppose.  If I knew the best place to go, I would be packing my bags!

But, I can readily predict that in 20 years there will be alot less people on this Earth.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:56 | 4357538 kaiserhoff
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No one is planning anything.

I wish to god I could disagree.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:55 | 4357899 TheReplacement
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Don't fool yourself.  There are a lot of people planning.  They plan for a range of things:  Getting rich because they bought gold, Not starving to death the first winter.  Raising an army to control some area.  Taking over the country.  Taking over the entire world.  Solving the worlds problems (the true believers in the Davos crowd).  Elimating all undesirables.  Reducing the global population to 300M.

Yup, plans of all sorts are in the works.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:08 | 4357775 Bunga Bunga
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Population growth is only the result, not the cause of economic growth.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 08:40 | 4358312 new game
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available food determines population growth-getting close to peak sustainability.

mutha nature might have a say soon...wrath of gmo food!

cycles of life have been temporarily aborted, but all the tech humans chase can't change the

cycles of life and death.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:06 | 4357575 alien-IQ
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Fine. Let's start with bankers and politicians and work our way down the economic ladder.

Those with the most must die first and most violently.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:58 | 4357907 TheReplacement
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It's a little known fact that the most successful of ancient civilizations kept a custom of sacrificing the richest man in the land each year if anyone was worth 2x as much as any other.  It behooved the rich to make sure a rising tide lifted all boats.  They never needed to actually sacrifice anyone.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:05 | 4357375 TeamDepends
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It didn't work out so well for Viagra.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:06 | 4357381 Stoploss
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We grew into a steaming pile of shit.

Only about the flies now.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:08 | 4357387 zen0
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Endless growth is the main feature of cancer.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:05 | 4357570 alien-IQ
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The American myth of free markets is the cancer that will kill millions upon millions of people all over the world.

The perpetrators of this myth must be, for the sake of all mankind, killed. Brutally. Publicly. Killed.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 00:04 | 4357917 TheReplacement
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I know right.  We have to get the word out.  Socialism, in all its forms, is freaking dangerous.

Just compare economic growth from 1800-1899 (when we had free markets) to 1913-2013 (when we took on central planning).  The past 100 years have been a giant central bank and government blown bubble.  It is quite literally insane what we have been allowing ourselves to do for the past 100 years.  We need to get back to real free open markets instead of these mythical "free markets" we have today.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:10 | 4357781 Bunga Bunga
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And the cause of cancer is government.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:09 | 4357391 logicalman
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In the blue corner - 'Infinite growth'

In the red corner - 'finite resources'

seconds out - ding ding, round one.....

My money's on 'finite resources'

Anyone offering odds?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:13 | 4357400 Bastiat
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Finite resources wins it with a rope-a-dope strategy.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:16 | 4357420 BuddyEffed
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Mother Nature always bats last.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 00:28 | 4357952 Anusocracy
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Only because she has almost complete control over people.

Very few actual humans in the human race.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:16 | 4357395 akak
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On that, I give them an "A" for wishful thinking – and an "F" for actual results.

On what planet do the grades now go below an "E", which was the lowest (and only failing) grade I ever saw or heard of all through school? (Although an almost straight-A student, I even received an "E" myself, once, in college, for not bothering to officially drop my loathsome second-semester calculus class after I stopped attending it.)  Or is this crazy extension of the A, B, C, D, E grading system some new invention of the federal "No Child Not Fucked From Behind" program?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:18 | 4357423 Skateboarder
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Add in grade subsidies and you're looking at a C+. Congrats.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:24 | 4357441 akak
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In the modern centrally-planned, centrally-controlled education (sic) system, every child is above average.  The law mandates it, and as we all know the law overrides reality every time.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:54 | 4357536 centerline
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I got a trophy.  So I am a winner, right?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:03 | 4357755 akak
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You are indeed a winner, now and always.

And special!  EVERYONE is special!

(Although I suspect that I am more special than most.)

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:59 | 4357553 Skateboarder
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Hence the degreed electrical engineers who won't be able to tell you what a discrete fourier transform is and of its importance and applications. A friend of mine was one of those - interviewed with Dolby for a technical job without knowing what the DFT was. They probably see a jillion folks like that - likeable but not employable.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:09 | 4357586 El Vaquero
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I once talked to a person with a degree in computer science who didn't know what recursion was. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:59 | 4357555 swmnguy
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"E"?  Never heard of that.  Where did you go to school?  "F" as in "Fail" is as American as apple pie.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:00 | 4357732 akak
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Where did YOU go to school, then, to receive the crazy grade of "F"?  I have never heard of such a grade until reading a few tangential references to such within the last few years (and just assumed that it was maybe some quirk of the British or Australian school system). 

By the way, I have never heard any suggestion that a letter grade was supposed to correspond to a word anyway ---- "A" no more stands for "Awesome" than "C" stands for "Competent" or "D" stands for "Dumbass".  Why would your school district skip the logical "E" and jump down to "F"?  Why not "Q" then, or "Z"?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:32 | 4360680 swmnguy
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I went to school all around the US.  My kids go to school in the US.  All I've ever experienced was A-B-C-D, and if you dropped below a D, it was an F.  Traditionally below 60% you got an F, but that was by no means universal.  Harder courses would grade on a curve and then an F could be anything.  I don't have any idea why they would skip "E" and go to "F", but I had never heard of an "E" letter grade.  And my family (other than myself) are mostly in Education, so my interest was piqued.

And no, I've never heard of a letter grade corresponding to a word either.  I was just being silly there.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:07 | 4360770 akak
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That is interesting, swmnguy, and I am not doubting you here, but I simply had never heard of the crazy grade of "F" until very recently.  When and where I went to school, in the Midwest in the 1970s and 1980s, the ONLY grade below a "D" was an "E" --- I never heard anyone ever question it, either, even in a (Midwest) university with students from all over the USA and the world (although to be honest, not too many students really worried about getting an "E" -- if they were in danger of failing, they usually just dropped the class before it got to that point).

EDIT: with a bit of subsequent online research, I see that the A-B-C-D-E grading system that I grew up with is not confined to just the Midwest:

http://catalog.arizona.edu/policies/994/grade.htm

http://saas.byu.edu/registrar/records/grades.php

http://www.albany.edu/undergraduateeducation/grading.php

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:16 | 4357411 Crawdaddy
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Repackaged FUD. forgot to include "with full release."

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:14 | 4357412 gwar5
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Growth is the answer but there has been no growth in the US. The real economy has been contracting since 2006. It's a Depression and Bernanke/Yellen are yanking everybody's chain.

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:14 | 4357415 TaperProof
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Inflation = growth!    

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:21 | 4357431 Zerohedge fan
Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:36 | 4357476 chump666
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Plan? It's insanity and chaos combined. 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:38 | 4357482 mick_richfield
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I don't get it -- in a world where the Fed can simply create arbitrary amounts of money and hand it to their friends -- why do these banks bother to trade at all?  So they can get free money?  Why bother?   How hard is it for the Fed to tack on an extra zero?

Ah, wait -- my voices just told me.

They aren't "trading" to make money -- they are being handed money to control markets.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 08:58 | 4358353 new game
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plus 1 and you can put as many zeros behind it as you feel worthy!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:40 | 4357493 jon dough
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All but laughable?

 

Oh, I'm pretty sure it's laughable.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:53 | 4357534 satoshi101
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Well what I see is Gated City's like Aspen, or VAIL, or Bend, or Santa Fe.

I see the majority of the USA like Detroit, just human sewage and misery. Just like mad max, or more likely like the new movie about the rich people living in space, and all of the eath's surface is poverty.

Bill Gates has his own private island, ... most rich will end up in gated islands, or rich city's with wall's, to keep the POOR out.

**

The USA already has the most in prison, so that's not working.

Sure the USA Corporation caused the problem, but then welfare extened the problem to the 3rd or 4th generation, now rural america has gone METH. Which means IQ's drop to DELTA level ( brave new world ).

There is no recovery, most of rural america in the future will be no different than a zombie movie, and certainly nobody will travel without ARMED SECURITY.

**

Solutions? Other than protecting your own and escaping from the USA, there are no solutions to this death of a culture,... and make no mistake the problem is that the USA culture is death.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:55 | 4357543 centerline
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Hunger Games.  Tech isn't there quick enough for an Elysium outcome.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:09 | 4357583 satoshi101
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'hunger games'

 has been here a long time, killing vietnamese ( kubrick ), or killing iraqi's in falluja, is all about 'hunger games'

in the USA cops can kill anybody any time, ...

***

I doubt that in the USA that 'deltas' will be given weapons to kill each other, ... they'll just do that on FULL-AUTO.

The rich, don't even want to see the delta's let alone watch them die on TV, this delta entertainment for deltas.

***

brave new world alpha,beta, gamma, deltas

old world usa - planation owner, house nigga, field nigga

post industrial USA - corporation owner - suit - blue collar

***

'hunger games' is bullshit in my mind, ... I agree that ELYSIUM is too far away, ... and too expensive but its already here, in Australia, or new zealand or hawaii, ... there are places that the rich can find their 'galts gulch'.

***

No doubt that the USA will be 'brave new world', that GOOGLE will have robot cops like ELYSIUM with 5 years,... that rural/city USA will be mostly populated by sub 100 IQ Gamma/Delta's,

There is no reason for the rich, or the alphas to live in the USA, ... why would you want to live in a gated-community surrounded by zombies? When you go to to NZ, or AUST or Hawaii and live in a zombie free nation?

***

A little late to say 'who created this or that', if you look at the past, the feudal times were the same, city-states like florence were full of rich, and outside were peasants with bad teeth and low IQ's,

Industrial USA had a very short life, ... like always say PENAL-COLONY to PENAL-COLONY is less than 200 years.

The USA will be a penal colony, it will be walled south&north, ... as you know it was never to keep them out, but to KEEP YOU IN.

***

I think places like Hong-Kong or Singapore will continue to be finance, but it can be done anywhere, I don't think anywhere in the USA will be safe enough or clean enough for ALPHA's ( rich or smart ).

 

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:41 | 4357865 centerline
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Wealth holds no alligiance to any nation.  That is for certain.  You are quite harsh in your assesment, but I would be foolish and also a liar to say that I think you are wrong.  Australia and NZ right now probably have the most promise in the mid-term but also are being primed for economic disaster all the same in the short-term.  If you have serious cash, you have options.  If you don't, roll the dice I suppose.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:08 | 4358064 prains
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I have my eye on NZ to return to and show off my new HAKA but the semi-annual 6+ earthquakes have put my canadian wife off on joining me....strange

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:08 | 4358110 satoshi101
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NZ is a huge country, but you only can live in christ-church?

A man limits himself in his own mind.

***

Travel, like Cinderalla see the world, try on lots of women, find a show that fits. Enjoy the ride, life is short.

Too short to live in NAZI hell like the USA.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:22 | 4358125 prains
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....that dropped well below mediocre

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:34 | 4358084 satoshi101
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If you MUST speak english, sure AUST/NZ have nice weather, if you like COLD then there is CANADA.

Fuck the UK, its same-same as USA. FULL NAZI RETARD.

**

Me thinks asia is better, but I speak most languages, I also find white people to be loud assholes, and thus I like to live in a place free of whites... sorry just speaking the truth, and yes I'm white. But as an ex-pat in ASIA, most tend to be retired military drunks.

**

FUCK the 'economy' that is bullshit, unless you have to work, ... that's why I think its best to live in a cheap place, fuck if you 22 years old and take a 1 month class its easy to be a 'english teacher' in china, in the sticks, ... fuck great life, and the pay is excellent, ... but if your old and you haven't save any CASH, then your fucked. I think I have mentioned before here but NZ-AUST want like 500k USD to go there, so that keeps out the poor.

Canada is CHEAP and an easy, but I personally hate the bitter COLD or the BC rain.

**

I think its more important to travel the world when young and know what is your favorite, then when your ready to bail, ... you go.

Like the old Beach-BOY song, .. about west  coast, east coast girls, ... I'm fond in living where the girl in my bed is 1/3 my age, and you can't do that shit in the west :( and the ASIAN women are sweet and polite, ... most west women are like HILLARY :(

Paradise is like garbage, one mans treasure is another man's trash.

Also a note on AUSTRALIA, it is a WELFARE state not unlike the USA.

and I really NOT like aussie girls, ... uggg

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:56 | 4358100 prains
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love the cold for one reason only.....it keeps the pussies like you away, less whiners and complainers and when it goes defcon 4 you'll be a flower farm decades before any of my offspring because no one will have the balls to make it up here and fight

 

pussy lips quiver in the cold, don't forget it

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:05 | 4358106 satoshi101
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When I was a kid until 40 years old nothing better than to sleep in a snow cave,...

But something happens when you get over 50, and 60, and its nice to be warm and sun,...

You sound like a young guy, and if its true that you live in FRIDGE, then your probably safe from the cops.

I always say that ALASKA will be a damn good place to weather the coming NAZI civil war, shit TalKeetNah has a good home grown, and micro-beer good people, there's a lot of nice places in the world. Shit HOMER is nice too, ... Texada island in BC has no cops, and great off the grid living the world is full of paradise.

But I'm fond of sweet young women, with gorgeous smiles, and old farts can't have that in the cold places. Besides I don't like FAT women, and in cold country's they only come in one size "BIG".

***

Also if your going to go off the grid, its nice to be in a place where you can grow shit all year round, the COLD places have like a 2 month growing season, ... shit Fairbanks has great weather in August. Alaska is great place if your 15-30, ... Asia is a great place if your 50-90, its just another choice that you have to make.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:12 | 4358114 prains
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you must be a 150 year old travelling Special Forces Delta Ninja SAS Mi5 12 inch cock swing Killa!!

 

It's daisy pushin for yu, and there's no web ranting that will stop....the passage of time....

 

tick tock 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:18 | 4358119 satoshi101
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Does your mom-bot know your playing on an adult website?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:23 | 4358127 prains
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....that was a 4 putt

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 09:07 | 4358364 new game
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harsh is good! it stirs anger and then i/we find your weakness. it also provokes conversations that cut to the facts.  being intellectualy honest helps, but that is usually the problem(or low iq)...

i can not find much falt in s's remarks unless i become patriotic...

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:56 | 4357544 alien-IQ
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Endless Growth = Impossible.

End of fucking story.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:22 | 4357627 eclectic syncretist
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Well, endless growth of imaginary dollars is about as probable as infinity, but excepting that, I'm in total agreement.  The question is, when will the masses be awakened and refute the imaginary world economy based on imaginary money pretensions of central banks?

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:35 | 4357666 Baldrick
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when the oil runs out.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:57 | 4358101 satoshi101
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US-MIL has 300-400 year supply of fuel's to wage war.

That's a long time.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 21:57 | 4357549 satoshi101
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The U.S. Is No Different

**

The USA is very different, only a MORON who doesn't travel would think this,... Japan has a culture, and they're 100% homogenous, and family tied for life.

The USA's unique culture can be found no where on earth,... only in the bible at tower of babel or soddom&gomorrah, would you find the USA in past cultures.

**

Other than BITCOIN, this is 2nd most stupid fucking MYTH promoted by ZH, that the US is no different.

The USA has the most people in prison, and the ugliest fattest, stupidist bit-tards on earth.

The japs are smart, hard-working, proud, and tied to the family for life,.. the japs don't worship METH, no fucking comparison.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:30 | 4357652 shovelhead
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Maybe...

But we have you.

Never mess with someone that has a thermonuclear retard.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:00 | 4357558 q99x2
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For the big banks, the plan has involved giving them free money so that they can be "healthy."

I want to be healthy too.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:17 | 4357598 Jack Burton
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I understand the plan for limitless growth and this will fail. Resources are finite, like it or not.

Big changes are coming. I will not mention them as it will set off a fire storm of protest, some real, and some from The Public Relations Professionals who troll for a living on this issue. But mark my words, you are in for a shock, and quite soon I might add. Anyways I expect this to be a masive drag on real growth.

Another massive drag is political instability. It has broken out now in North Africa and the Middle East. Just look at Libya, which was once well integrated into the world economy. No longer, it is a terror state torn to bits. Pumping oil, yes, but don't think anyother part of that economy will exist, it is over. Egypt, Syria, Iraq, all taken out of the real world economy.

Now, Ukraine is headed for civil war. 1/2 favors a non-EU future. The other wants to join EU and NATO. 50-50 split mean civil war. Turkey is in danger of going the way of the entire Middle East. Israel will not sleep till the USA has eliminated Iran as a member of the world economy. Japan is sinking on it's own. But China and all it's neighbors are talking big time conflict. Civil disorders and terror inside the EU is not happening yet, but give it a few years.

If growth is the plan, I beg to know where that will be. Geopolitical facts are tearing apart countries and economies. This will continue on a grander scale each year.

America has no money for another trillion dollar war, yet the Pentagon and Neo-Cons, Israel, Congress and the President plan at least three new wars in the coming 5 years. No money, so we will borrow and print. That will stip money out of real economic growth investment and funnel it into wars and weapons.

NO GROWTH, if they announce any, it will be fake lies. You can get GDP if you print enough money and pump assets to the moon. But there is no surplus wealth creation by doing this, thus NO REAL GROWTH!

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:33 | 4357660 satoshi101
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America has no money for another trillion dollar war, yet the Pentagon and Neo-Cons, Israel, Congress and the President plan at least three new wars in the coming 5 years.

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Your so rational, in an IRRATIONAL USA,...

Well now all can agree we must price support GOLD, BITCOIN, REAL-ESTATE and USA stock market.

That means WAR, ... whether you blame the neo-cons or not, everybody, all 70% OR 200 MILLION americans, will support WAR, if it means a  recovery of US superiority.

The question is when? My guess is that they wait, it would be better to wait POST USA civil-war, before there is WWIII, the problem with the USA is internally the MIL doesn't want the METH-HAIRLIP who makes the majority of todays kids, so first they MUST be culled, and then we go to war with a mercenary army, steal the worlds commodity's and go live with IMF/SDR.

In the short term the USA must CULL, as there is NO ELYSIUM and the 'alphas' in the USA want to reclaim Yosemite, and the Tetons from the white trash.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:16 | 4358070 prains
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Jack's probably not gonna answer yu as yu tend to the verbally annoying diarrhea BUT inside your ESL is some truthiness, just don't expect a lot of love in these parts .....and maybe edit a bit more otherwise....yu sound like the grown up version of our dear departed chinese friend AnAnlogousAnus 2.0.....keep up the slightly better than mediocre work....sincerely I mean it

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:20 | 4357817 Bunga Bunga
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Without real growth the average cannot make real money, only get compensated for inflation. The economic system will collapse, since investing in commodities is perferred over investing into commercial activities.  Hoarding commodities is low risk and compensates for inflation, while real business activities are high risk and do not beat inflation.

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 22:21 | 4357599 Kirk2NCC1701
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We need to differentiate between "endless growth" and "quasi-endless monetary growth".

You put the latter on a Log scale, and Ben's your Uncle.  ;-)

Wed, 01/22/2014 - 23:22 | 4357828 JohnFrodo
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Marketeers call them the Oil Sands. Geologists call them tar sands, if they were oil sands they would be a liquid. Their method of explotation is a prime example of stupid human behavior. A smart solution would be to use it all for ashphalt, its practically ashphalt right out of the ground.

http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/2014/01/neil-young-draws-blood-form-oil...

 

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:22 | 4358017 Lordflin
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With HHS purchasing better than 1.7 billion rounds of ammunition, enough body bags to entomb half the population, and high ranking military officers being asked if they are willing to fire on US citizens, I somehow do not believe that plan A calls for unlimited growth.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 01:36 | 4358033 Flakmeister
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If you really believe that, why don't you put a round in your temple and save everybody alot of trouble and expense...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:09 | 4358065 Lordflin
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A complete non sequitur... You, sir, are an obvious idiot.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:08 | 4360606 Flakmeister
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You seem to be pretty sure that FEMA is coming for you if not everyone, so why don't you save them the hassle...

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:21 | 4358073 satoshi101
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You are of course 100% correct.

You ask any post 1932 nazi survivors WHY didnt' you leave? They say, ... nobody thought it would get worse.

It alway's get's worse until you can't leave,,, now with ATM's all these have to do is turn them off, and you can't leave.

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Hell yes, I know lots of combat guys and this goes back to the 1990's, and if your not willing to KILL US  white people then you can't enlist.

Even USA cops is the same, if your not willing to shoot women and little girls, then you can't be a cop.

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The frog was boiled long ago, today the idiots are saying "We still have our guns", maybe you do, but you ALL lost your BALLS 40 years ago.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 02:31 | 4358081 prains
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for a dude shaving his farm friendly pigs in a dirt shack somewhere in rural Yu-ville Bing Bong Pow Province, Chyna, yu sure come bearing a whole lotta "facts". Did yu get dem dere faks offa da intranetty thinga ma jig?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:14 | 4358098 satoshi101
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HILLARY Will take your GUNS in 2016, but so what? Your guns didn't keep you safe yesterday from the USA NAZI takeover, ... and they'll certainly not protect you tomorrow

* PLAN A or B? A FIGHT ... B FLIGHT? What is MORE sane?

Jeff Cooper used to say "Owning a gun doesn't make you a shooter anymore than owning a guitar makes you a musician", it takes years of training to be a musician, and it takes 5+ years of special force training to make a MAN.

None of you are MEN. I have trained my entire life. Most men in CHINA can fight, most 8 year old boys can kill most 25 year old white guys that come over here to train. Don't tell me about freedom and your guns, ... GUNS aren't worth shit.

Hear this if your GUNS meant something the USA wouldn't be already a boiled frog some 40 years ago. The GUNS meant shit yesterday and they'll mean shit tomorrow.

A man is a man with his hands, with a knife, with bow&arrow, with making bombs from chemicals, a GUN is just one tool of 1,000's.

Jeff is RIGHT most americans just own a guitar, but don't know fuck about music,... ditto for GUN, most americans can't hit the side of barn, let alone play a sniper-rifle like a fiddle in all conditions out 500 yards,... takes year of perfect training to teach a man to handle a gun, in the USA what you have is morons OWNING guns doesn't mean shit.

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Jeff Cooper was the FATHER OF MODERN USA HANDGUN COMBAT.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 10:17 | 4358611 Flakmeister
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Do you practice being annoying?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 10:30 | 4358659 CJHames
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Satoshi ... how long did you say you worked for BALCO?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 03:30 | 4358134 satoshi101
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AMERICAN WHAT WENT WRONG.

Well I can tell you that if your in the USA and you feel like a PALESTINIAN, its because the USA got 'occupied' by the NAZIS in 1930's, basically right wing LIKUD Zionist nuts, and they systematically since the 1950's have made the USA into Occupied Palestine.

[ Study Shirers book "rise & fall of 3rd reich", you can see that Zionists helped empower Hitler ]

How?

1.) Make sure the cops are from another state, so they don't live near or empathize with the victim

2.) Make sure the soliders that occupy an area come from far away, so they will shoot to kill on order.

Long ago in the USA nobody would think to let a sheriff or judge, or cop, or MIL be an outsider, but in the last 40 years the frog was boiled, now every american is labeled a terrorist in his own country. A criminal in his own State, and hostage in his own home.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 08:35 | 4358288 Dr. Destructo
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The U.S. and Japanese populations are shrinking because there is no way to sustain the consumption. petroleum (which caused the population boom in the first place) is harder to come by, jobs are harder to come by, and purchasing power is dropping quickly. Pretty soon the population will drop at the level where it can be sustained by the environment, and with farmland diminishing it's going to be a pretty big drop.

Our population isn't going to return to 7 billion once the SHTF, and we'll eventually regress into an agrarian society, except we'll have new and exciting chemicals from the last 'era' to contend with.

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