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Carl Icahn's "Buy Buy Buy" Pitch For AAPL- Full Letter

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Despite his own admission that he is not a 'product guy', Carl Icahn extends his 'pitch' for investors to buy buy buy Apple stock from one of using their offshore capital (or borrowing against it) to buyback inglorious amounts of shares to how great the "wearables" business could be...

  • *ICAHN: ULTRA HD REPRESENTS 'PROMISING MOMENT' FOR APPLE
  • *ICAHN: APPLE HAS 'COMPELLING OPPORTUNITY' IN WEARABLE DEVICES
  • *ICAHN: INVESTING IN APPLE IS HOW GOOD INVESTORS MAKE MONEY

So buy you dummy... oh and don;t worry because Icahn has your back, even if he knows that AAPL does not...

  • *ICAHN SAYS TIM COOK IS NOT A 'FINANCE GUY'
  • *ICAHN: NO 'IN DEPTH' KNOWLEDGE OF FINANCE ON APPLE BOARD

Apple is - according to Icahn - the most over-capitalized company in corporate history...

 

Full Icahn Letter...

 

Dear Fellow Apple Shareholders,
 
Over the course of my long career as an investor and as Chairman of Icahn Enterprises, our best performing investments result from opportunities that we like to call "no brainers." Recent examples of such “no brainers” have been our investments in Netflix, Hain Celestial, Chesapeake, Forest Labs and Herbalife, just to name a few. In our opinion, a great example of a “no brainer” in today’s market is Apple. The S&P 500’s price to earnings multiple is 71% higher than Apple’s, and if Apple were simply valued at the same multiple, its share price would be $840, which is 52% higher than its current price. This is a dramatic valuation disconnect that simply makes no sense to us, and it seems that the company agrees with us on this point. Tim Cook himself has expressed on more than one occasion that Apple is undervalued, and as the company states, it already has in place “the largest share repurchase authorization in history.”

We believe, however, that this share repurchase authorization can and should be even larger, and effectuating that for the benefit of all of the company’s shareholders is the sole intention of our proposal. The company has recommended voting against our proposal for various reasons. It seems to us that the basis of its argument against our proposal is that the company believes, because of the “dynamic competitive landscape” and because its “rapid pace of innovation require[s] unprecedented investment, flexibility and access to resources”, it does not currently have enough excess liquidity to increase the size of its repurchase program. Assuming this indeed is the basis for the company’s argument, we find its position overly conservative (almost to the point of being irrational), when we consider that the company had $130 billion of net cash as of September 28, 2013 and that consensus earnings are expected to be almost $40 billion next year. Given this massive net cash position and robust earnings generation, Apple is perhaps the most overcapitalized company in corporate history, from our perspective. Regardless of what liquidity it may require with respect to “unprecedented investment, flexibility and access to resources” for innovation moving forward, we believe the unprecedented degree to which the company is currently overcapitalized would overcompensate for any such investments (including possible investments in strategic M&A, to which the company does not refer). Said another way, we believe that the combination of the company’s unprecedentedly enormous net cash balance, robust annual earnings, and tremendous borrowing capacity provide more than enough excess liquidity to afford both the use of cash for any necessary ongoing business-related investments in addition to the cash used for the increased share repurchases proposed.

It is our belief that it is the responsibility of the Board, on behalf of the company’s shareholders, to take advantage of such a large and unmistakable opportunity. Indeed, we believe that by choosing not to increase the size of the repurchase program, the directors are actually performing a great disservice to the owners, especially smaller shareholders who may not be in a position to buy more stock themselves. Meanwhile, we are in a position to continue buying shares in the market at today's price, so perhaps we should thank the Board for not being more aggressive, and thus allowing us to accumulate an even larger investment position at a price that reflects the aforementioned valuation disconnect. In fact, over the past two weeks we purchased $1 billion more in Apple shares, $500 million of which we purchased today, bringing our total ownership position in Apple to a current value of approximately $3.6 billion.

Given the degree to which Apple appears undervalued to us, we almost feel that it’s a waste of time to debate the point. As we believe it to be the preeminent and most innovative consumer products company in the world, with the greatest brand, hardware, software, and services in the world, Apple has had tremendous growth to date, and we fail to see why this growth would not continue moving forward. The industry (smartphones and tablets) is expected to grow volume at a 15% compounded annual growth rate from 2013 through 2017 according to IDC. We believe Apple should continue to benefit from this secular growth, as last year, 85% of Apple’s revenues came from smartphones, tablets, and related software, services, and accessories. The naysayers question whether Apple will be able to participate in this growth without sacrificing pricing and gross margins, especially with competition from Google, Samsung, Microsoft, Amazon and Chinese manufacturers. Our response to them is that the answer is already evident to us from the continuing loyalty of Apple’s growing customer base. The highly successful evolutionary (not revolutionary) introductions of the iPhone 5s and 5c and Ipad Air and Mini, prove to us that Apple could, for the most part, maintain pricing and gross margin as we believe consumers are willing to pay a reasonable premium for the world’s best smartphones and tablets. The rumored future introduction of product line extensions with larger screens for both the iPhone and iPad would further support this view.2 In fact, a recent study from NDC shows that the iPhone accounted for 42% of smartphone users in the United States at the end of 2013, up a staggering 20% from the prior year. Despite its great scale and narrow focus, Apple has an operating margin of just 28.5%. We believe its customers’ willingness to pay a premium price for the world’s greatest products should enable Apple to participate in the expected volume growth of these categories while at the same time largely maintaining its average selling prices and gross margins. And, as software and services improve and become even more important to consumers in the future, we expect customer loyalty to strengthen further.

Even if the story ended with Apple’s existing product and software lines, we would still choose to make Apple our largest investment. But there is more to the story! Tim Cook keeps saying that he expects to introduce “new products in new categories” and yet very few people seem to be listening. We’re not aware of a single Wall Street analyst who includes “new products in new categories” or new services in any of their financial projections, even though Apple clearly has an impressive track record of such new category product introductions, even if it does so rarely. Apple released the iPhone in 2007 and the iPad five years later in 2012, both so extraordinarily successful that today they represent the majority of the company’s revenue. Tim Cook’s comments, along with advancements in enabling technologies, lead us to believe that we may see in the not too distant future what new groundbreaking products they’ve been working on developing in Cupertino these last several years.3

To get a sense of the scale of the opportunity that stems from new products in new categories, let’s take a moment to consider the possibility of an Apple television. The major electronics companies are now focused on ultra high definition TVs as their next big opportunity. Ultra high definition is expected to offer a level of image clarity that is superior to today’s high definition televisions for screen sizes 55 inches and above. To date, the barrier to mass market adoption of ultra high definition has been the price gap between it and regular high definition, but that price gap is closing and will soon be de minimis. The closing of this price gap is supported by statements made by the Co-CEO of Samsung Electronics, who expects the price gap to fall to 10% by the end of this year. While cable companies will likely be slow to upgrade their linear TV infrastructure due to cost, video content is expected to be accessible through the internet via services like Netflix and others.

We believe ultra high definition represents a major catalyst for the next TV replacement cycle and a promising moment for Apple to introduce its first new product in this category. Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix, has referenced ultra high definition as a major catalyst for Netflix going forward. While this is true for Netflix, we believe it is also true for Apple, not just for its hardware but also for selling ultra high definition movies and shows on iTunes through the internet. With 238 million TVs sold globally in 2012, it would not surprise us if Apple could sell 25 million new Apple ultra high definition televisions at $1,600 per unit, especially when considering both its track record of introducing best in class products and its market share in smartphones and tablets.4 At a gross margin of 37.7%, which would be consistent with that of the overall company, such a debut would add $40 billion of revenues and $15 billion to operating income annually.5

The possibility of a television represents only one opportunity for the company that stems from new products in new categories. While we won’t go through all of them here, we see several major opportunities in hardware alone. With advancements in miniaturization and continued improvements in Siri, it seems obvious to us that Apple has a compelling opportunity in the exciting area of wearable devices, supported by rumors that Apple is developing a smartwatch (as Tim Cook himself said the wrist is “an area of great interest for Apple”). While many consider Apple a hardware company, to pigeonhole it as such is no longer appropriate in our opinion. Apple has built an ecosystem of hardware, software, and services that we believe collectively represents the most successful consumer product platform in the entire history of consumer-facing technologies. And as Apple’s customer base continues to enjoy the use of this ecosystem, storing media in the cloud and moving it from one Apple device to another as doing so becomes increasingly convenient with innovations such as Airplay (as just one simple example of this ecosystem’s current functionality), we believe that customer base grows increasingly loyal and excited for the next Apple product release, making it an asset in and of itself that grows and becomes increasingly valuable.

Indeed, we believe any new software service that offers new functionality to this customer base becomes a large opportunity for Apple to introduce as a revolutionary and disruptive bolt-on to the ecosystem. As just one of many possible examples of this phenomenon, Apple could introduce a next generation payments solution. In terms of whether the marketplace is well addressed by mobile payments solutions, Tim Cook has said “I think it is in its infancy… I think it is just getting started and just of out of the starting block.” With the fingerprint sensor, iBeacon, 575+ million credit card numbers stored in iTunes, and Apple’s homogeneous iOS installed base with 79% of devices using iOS 7, we believe a revolutionary payments solution is now a very real opportunity that the company could choose to pursue. With respect to all of Apple’s new and existing opportunities for growth, they will only prove to be successful with strong execution from the company’s management, in whom we hold great confidence. Naysayers say Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs, and they’re absolutely right. He is Tim Cook and we believe he is doing an excellent job, and Jonathan Ive, Senior VP of Design, is Jonathan Ive and we believe he’s doing an excellent job, etcetera.

In this letter, we have above summarized why we believe Apple is undervalued in order to express how ridiculous it seems to us for Apple to horde so much cash rather than repurchase stock (and thereby use that cash to make a larger investment in itself for the benefit of all of the company’s shareholders). In its statement in opposition to our proposal, the company claims that “the Board and management team have demonstrated a strong commitment to returning capital to shareholders” and we believe that is true, but we also believe that commitment is not strong enough given the unique degree to which the company is both undervalued and overcapitalized. Furthermore, it is important to note that a share repurchase is not simply an act of “returning capital to shareholders” since it is also the company effectively making an investment in itself. To us, as long term investors, this is an important difference: a dividend is a pure return of capital while a share repurchase is the company making an investment in itself by buying shares in the market at the current price, which we believe to be undervalued, from shareholders willing to sell at that price for the benefit of shareholders who choose to remain investors for the longer term. And we are long term investors. It should be noted that no one on the Board seems to be an expert in the world of investment management. However, based on our record, we believe few will argue that we are experts in this area, and we have no doubts that the Board is doing a great disservice to its shareholders by not immediately increasing the size of the share repurchase program in order to more effectively take advantage of what we believe to be the company’s low market valuation.

We have expressed above what we believe to be the company’s primary reason for not supporting our proposal. Conversely, it is our belief that Apple’s current excess liquidity is without historical precedent and beyond reasonable comparison to its peers or otherwise, and such dramatic overcapitalization affords the company enough excess liquidity to repurchase the amount of shares we proposed. Apple’s existing capital return program has just $37 billion remaining, and the company has until the end of 2015 to complete it. Without any changes to the program, the largest pile of corporate cash in the world is likely to grow even larger, and if the share price rises, this Board will have missed a great opportunity to use more of that hoarded cash to repurchase shares at an attractive value. While it is important for the Board to focus on the return of capital on a sustained basis, it is also important for the Board to evaluate whether or not its share price is undervalued and to take advantage of it with share repurchases, especially when the balance sheet exhibits dramatic excess liquidity, as we believe Apple’s does today.

The Board may argue that with so much opportunity, it would be prudent to maintain its excess liquidity to increase R&D or make acquisitions, especially when considering the financial strength of its competitors. We completely agree that the company must innovate and should be flexible to make prudent strategic acquisitions, yet even after taking such factors into account, we believe that tremendous excess liquidity remains. With respect to possible M&A (to which the company does not refer in its statement), for the opportunities highlighted above (a TV, a watch, a payment service), we find it extremely difficult to identify any possible strategic acquisitions of scale that make sense. Furthermore, such action would seem to conflict with Apple’s culture historically. A remarkable fact is that since the Board reacquired Steve Jobs through the NeXT acquisition for $427 million in 1997, the next largest acquisition Apple made was $2.6 billion for Nortel’s patent portfolio. Amazingly, over these 17 years, Apple made just $7.8 billion worth of acquisitions in total during this timeframe. Apple clearly has a long history and culture of developing its innovation internally, which leads us to believe that the company will not seek out large acquisitions to pursue any of the opportunities about which we have speculated. In terms of paying for the necessary innovation internally, Apple is expected to generate $40 billion of earnings next year, which already takes into account an increasing R&D expense. In order to address the argument that Apple should reserve excess liquidity to more effectively compete with some of its deep-pocketed competitors, there is no doubt that some of them also have significant earnings and net cash on their balance sheets (whether or not that is appropriate). But Apple has much more. When compared to its next largest competitor, Microsoft, for example, Apple has $68 billion more net cash and is expected to generate $18 billion more in earnings during 2014.

The Board may argue that much of its cash and earnings are international and therefore subject to a repatriation tax if returned to the United States to repurchase shares. While this is true, we question why the company would not simply borrow the money in the Unites States to the extent it deems its domestic cash of $36 billion and domestic earnings are insufficient. Given that the company has $130 billion of net cash and $40 billion of expected annual earnings, and the fact that it is hard to find a better time in history to borrow money, a $50 billion share repurchase over the course of fiscal year 2014 seems more than reasonable to us. Today, Apple’s outstanding ten year bonds yield 3.63%, and its five year bonds yield 2%. Apple could either continue to carry this debt, repay it from its domestic earnings over time, or repatriate cash from abroad upon the passage of corporate tax reform.

The company has stated that it is “updating perspectives on its capital return program for 2014 and beyond” and “collecting input from a very broad base of shareholders.” We believe, if our proposal receives majority shareholder support, that the Board should respect it and increase the repurchase program as requested. We believe this action will greatly enhance value for all long term shareholders who believe, as we do, in the great potential of this company. If the Board takes this action, we will applaud them for taking advantage of one of the greatest examples of a “no brainer” we have seen in five decades of successful investing.

Sincerely yours,

Carl C. Icahn

 

 

Jordan Belfort would be proud...

 


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Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:28 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Pushy iTwat.

Where's the letter to destroy the eBay / Paypal synergies too?  Goof.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:38 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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This motherfuckin senile fuck....I cant go a day without hearing about this J-Fuck t-whining about how he wants to make more money, from the same money he siphoned from everyone else with his wall street buddies.

 

Honestly, this fucker is getting on my nerves...CNBC is now Carl's National Business Corporation where he uses it to pump and dump stocks.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Indian_Goldsmith
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so who is the greater fool, carl?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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The middle class has shrunk so much, I sincerely doubt Apple could "sell 25 million new Apple ultra high definition televisions at $1,600 per unit".

12 m units, at $1000?  Maybe.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:55 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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Does he even DO what he says he does?

Or is he swinging the markets without all that messy buying and selling?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Occident Mortal
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Even Napolean had his Waterloo.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:11 | Link to Comment fonestar
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Sell the AAPL, buy the BTC!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:21 | Link to Comment jcaz
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Wow, you're just like Carl-  except he has a job and $22B.....

But hey, you have your 3 coins, so you got that going for you, Karl.....

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:31 | Link to Comment fonestar
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In case you're totally ignorant of what's going on in the world outside (you most likely are) AAPL has been one of the biggest Bitcoin-hating companies out there.

So all of you .gov stooges here should do your thing, show some gratitude, bend over for Karl and buy some AAPL!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:24 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Take a break.

Papa said "You've sold it... don't buy it back."

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:39 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Interesting how Icahn and Apple generate so much vile envy here.

Both are incredibly successful, and will probably continue that success, for a long time.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:38 | Link to Comment MillionDollarBogus_
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Interesting how Icahn and Apple generate so much vile envy here.

Both are incredibly successful, and will probably continue that success, for a long time.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:47 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Yes, now that they've perfected iLeash for the Foxconn workers....

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Rainman
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 New Testament doesn't run this long

 He's after the cash

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Stoploss
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Karl, twelve words:

I am going to rob these fuckers any way i know how. (tweet that)  And stop killing trees.....

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Icahn is like Willie Sutton the bank robber.  Why do you rob banks Willie?  Because that is where the money is.

Icahn just finds companies to shake down.  Not that I have a lot of sympathy for Apple or the retards who buy Apple stuff.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 22:59 | Link to Comment Papasmurf
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At his age, he doesn't even buy green bananas.  He's not investing, that's for sure. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:32 | Link to Comment DIgnified
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Desperately seeking bag-holders.  Inquire within. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Hippocratic Oaf
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New ways for old dogs to pump their shit.

Gotta love social networking.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Yeah but can iCan't fix a shattered Apple building?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2544194/Iconic-Apple-cubes-glass...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Saucy-Jack
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iDouche

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:32 | Link to Comment LoneStarHog
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Hey, Icon, how's that General Motor's (pre-goobermint) stock doin'?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:32 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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*ICAHN: PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, BUY MY SHARES AT A HIGHER PRICE.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:32 | Link to Comment HedgeAccordingly
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– Carl Icahn to Bloomberg TV: PayPal spinoff is a ‘no-brainer’ http://hedge.ly/1fdfkPH 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:33 | Link to Comment starman
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apples and bannanas! Icahn , Iphone, Ipad Icrap all the same shit!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Kaiser Sousa
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i wish this wall street narcissist would shut the fuck up...

that or either run into someones fist face first...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:47 | Link to Comment hugovanderbubble
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This sounds like a hypedistribution phase scam? Wonder why the SEC doesnt act vs ICAHN

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:42 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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--

Reed Hastings, CEO of Netflix, has referenced ultra high definition as a major catalyst for Netflix going forward. While this is true for Netflix, we believe it is also true for Apple, not just for its hardware but also for selling ultra high definition movies and shows on iTunes through the internet. With 238 million TVs sold globally in 2012, it would not surprise us if Apple could sell 25 million new Apple ultra high definition televisions at $1,600 per unit, especially when considering both its track record of introducing best in class products and its market share in smartphones and tablets

 

Earth to Carl.....  50 million Americans on foodstamps and you think UHD is going to work?  Also, how many years would it take for their to be enough UHD material to justify that TV set?

3D TV should be a clue here dude.  The marginal add-on for a poor nation when TV is already pretty damn good is so small that it won't justify the cost.

UHD is terribly costly, from origination right through to the living room, and the reason 238 million TV sets are sold annually (as of recently) is because the FCC has forced the consumer into changing to HDTV from analog, as did the cable providers.  An old TV won't work.  To take that stat and assume such sales can be achieved going forward proves how dumb this guy is.  One big pump and dump.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:45 | Link to Comment john39
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I can hardly see much difference on my HD tv between 1080 and 720 HD...  Unless you have a massive TV, it doesn't much matter.  

remember all the hype with 3D TV's?  fail.   UHD will suffer the same fate unless government mandates a change.   (which i don't rule out, given the fascist reality we live in)

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Ness.
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Agreed.  I read that Super-VHS was going to change the world too.  haha.  Idiots, all of them.

 

Sitting on my porch drinking a beer, staring at my acreage while growing food for the family is a much nicer picture than anything UHD can offer.

Oh, fuck you Icon.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Freddie
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TV and Hollywood's movies is for retards who like being brainwashed by the elites.  Fortunately, more and more people are pulling the plug on their shit.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:48 | Link to Comment firstdivision
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Don't forget how delusional Hastings is thinkg that the American ISP infrastructure can handle transfering that amount of data to allow you to watch their crappy streaming selection at 4k

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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More than that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

Image in the upper right hand corner explains it all as far as 4K Ultra HD in relation to 1080p hi-def all technical mumbo jumbo aside.

A picture tells a thousand words.

This is a niche market at best selling 4K Ultra HD sets to rich old people who actually have money then the movie companies make money rescanning old movies filmed in 16mm which still has higher resolution than 4K from analog to digital to sell them to these old people since they are the only ones who would still watch most of them anymore at this point. All you are getting now is the ability to view 20 year old technology as it was meant to be seen in a consumer setting.

They are just recycling 20 year old technology to the consumer market now with Ultra HD instead having consumer devices that playback in the same resolutions and PPI as the cinematography was filmed in the first place. Same scam with audio music in the digital realm. George Lucas was 20 years ahead of the curve here with Stars Wars Episode I in 1999 and 4K aka Ultra HD for marketing purposes today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinema

There is no innovation going on here just planned product life cycle....

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Cui bono for Ultra HD.

Hollywood and movie industry in general since majority of the digital prints since 1999 are already in 2K they have to do 0 work to re-release them for Ultra-HD. I wonder how heavily invest Icon is in Hollywood and the film industry in general. That should be the tell behind some of his blustering about Apple who used to innovate ahead of curve reduced to taking yesterday's news and selling it as today's innovation aka Ultra HD using their company's past reputation as an innovator to market products.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 10:45 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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apple has its core brainwashed idiots that will buy anything.

they bashed samsung large phones such as S4 and galaxy note 2/3 but now apple is talking about launching larger phones...duhhhhhhh    now the apple fanbois will tell you apple invented large phones.   apple will do better with larger phones than they will w/ premium TVs.

ultra high def TV is a flop when trying to get enough people to pay a huge premium for it.   It's not a big enough jump, for the money.    UHD will follow the normal upgrade schedule as HDTV's go kaput and UHD prices come down into normal range.    that's how technology works, new technology replaces old, at the same market price.   Not at an increased price.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Bioscale
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"..we believe that customer base grows increasingly loyal and excited for the next Apple product release, making it an asset in and of itself that grows and becomes increasingly valuable."

What a fucking bullshit, whom is going this Icahn guy to fool? Phone as an asset? What? A fucking expensive toy for making calls and reading emails. Fuck.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 10:47 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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he is right to a degree.  Apple has a core of brainwashed fanbois that will jizz their pants at any new product.    The degree of apple worship is sickening, especially many tech blogger disciples.      

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:35 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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That maggot thinks because he owns < 1% of the company that he should get to run it? Get in line a-hole.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:42 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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        • ICAHN SAYS TIM COOK IS NOT A 'FINANCE GUY'

         

        Okay Icon then at least he should be a tech guy and be able to bring new products to market or innovate existing ones you know like moving the headphone jack from the left to the right side of I-Pad to generate revenue in sales and maintain market share.

         

        • *ICAHN: NO 'IN DEPTH' KNOWLEDGE OF FINANCE ON APPLE BOARD

         

        I can think of about 20B in tax free rebuttals over that one

         

        Apparently they do have 'in depth' knowledge of finance at the expense of product design and marketing which is the problem in the first place.

        And for those 2 reasons alone Apple is not a good long term buy because their long term health is tied directly the health of the Federal Government.

        That 20B cushion is only good for so long when your business model is based around high priced trendy items and tommorrow comes and your trendy items are yesterday's news and no one is buying anymore. That has a limited life span when the student loans and Federal Government contracts dry up.

        With that said Apple still has the I-tunes store revenue stream so it will be worth something but not the to the moon Alice blustering Icon keeps blovating on about.

        Whats comes after pump....

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:05 | Link to Comment Seal
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        I Con

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:38 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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        Did Icahn write the letter or the NSA?  Is there a difference between the 0.1% and the NSA, both of whom want to separate you from all your freedoms and make you into a drone?  

        Who wants the products of a company that has been enthusiastically been collaborating with the NSA?

        If there is a bit of justice in this world, AAPL stock will fall by more than 50% in a year or two. And Icahn would choke on a fish bone soon after a market-manipulating tweet.

        "The NSA claims that anytime they target an iOS device, it will succeed," Appelbaum said. "So either they have a huge collection of exploits against Apple products, meaning they are hoarding information about critical systems that American companies produce and sabotaging them, or Apple sabotaged it themselves."

        http://www.eweek.com/security/nsa-spying-on-apple-iphones.html

        My bet would be that Apple cooperated with the NSA to sabotage its own operating system.  You can never underestimate the venality of US Corporations.


         

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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        But Carl, what about the HLF/Markey kerfluffle?

        Good Gawd man, we need a tweet or two on that.../s

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:45 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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        yeah, he's been smoking too much herb(alife)

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Rathmullan
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        He must be selling.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:43 | Link to Comment buttmint
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        Carl Icahn: Rape and Pillage 101

        The guy will spin any story, concoct any line to get access to Apple's cash hoard. There's a reason it is stashed overseas.

        Seems like Carl enjoys slash and burn take-overs. The guy has decimated the American can-do spirit. Why doesn't Carl invest in Detroit? Plenty of opportunity there!

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Ms. Erable
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        Because Detroit has already been slashed and burned, figuratively and literally.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:45 | Link to Comment devo
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        Apple has been done for over 2 years.

        Agree with Reggie that Google is the only intriguing tech. Misunderstood company, as he notes. Creepy as fuck, though.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:56 | Link to Comment pragmatic hobo
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        google is done as well ...

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:02 | Link to Comment devo
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        How so?

        Because you're bitter at the world and hate everything besides gold and bunkers, or because you have a legitimate thesis you're going to share?

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:19 | Link to Comment financialrealist
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        yea, appl is no longer leading innovation...and its closed architecture is becoming a real bane to my existence  

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:21 | Link to Comment devo
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        Yeah I have never purchased one of their products, and that's from years ago when I converted my cds into ALAC format only to find out they couldn't be played on anything but Apple products. FUCK them.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:08 | Link to Comment Freddie
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        Crack that whip.  Give the girl the slip.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:17 | Link to Comment financialrealist
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        only probelm if i ditch my Ipuck5, i have to start over...no matter how you slice it, we own NOTHING

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:08 | Link to Comment DogOfSinope
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        If Apple doesn't come with some compelling new products by July they will be in trouble.
        But, Google is greatest collection of arrogant yet totally impotent poseurs.
        http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/map_of_the_week/2013/03/google_...
        Reggie is just not-enough-sociopathic (and rather comic) iCon wannabe. Screw him, too.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Seal
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        Uncle Carl has the possibility of losing his ass here. this is what happens to people who get old [and full of hubris]

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:01 | Link to Comment ziggy59
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        Beware the worm, uh, snake in the apple...

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Quantum Nucleonics
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        For those of you not inclined to read Carl's diabribe, allow me to summarize and translate... "I'd like to book my profits now, so step up to the plate and buy this crap from me.  I need the cash for my next pump and dump scheme."

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:12 | Link to Comment bobert727
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        I'm not a big fan of Apple and am constantly amazed that they get people to buy virtually the same product over and over again at highly inflated prices.  But I'm getting sick of Carl Ichan buying a few shares of a stock then blasting his mouth or shooting off a tweet all in an effort to get the share price higher.  Wish I could manipulate markets and get away with it.

        I really hope he gets his faced ripped off on both Apple and Ebay.  When these big guys get in and it goes there way they have no problems getting out.  However, when they are wrong, exciting their position becomes a major problem and the rest of the market can smell it. 

        A nice 20% correction in the overall market over the next few months should age Mr. Ichan even more than he looks now.  I suspect he has invested in Apple and Ebay based on input from his son.  Doubt Carl knows anything about either company except they are tech companies that everyone is "talking about". Problem is Carl they have been talking about these companies for years. You just found out about them.

        Imagine, he takes a 0.38% position and then feels he has the right to tell Ebay how to run the company and nominate 2 people to the Board.  I wish some of these companies would have the balls to tell Carl to shut the puck up and either own shares for their value or go find someone else to harrass in your effort to make money.  I think both Apple and Ebay, as well as their Boards, know a little more aout their companies than Carl.  Sure he can read a report or a balance sheet, know how other companies are run (or were back 20 years ago) but I have serious doubts on his abilities now, especially in tech.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:08 | Link to Comment Waterfallsparkles
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        I would like to see Wall Street hand him his Head on a platter.  Wall Street should do to him what he did to Ackman with Herbalife.

        Believe me I am no fan of Ackman. In fact I dislike him very much but I dislike even more people like Ichan and Ackman trying to manipulate the Market for their own gain.

        I also fault CNBC for spending so much time discussing and publicising Ichans "Tweets" or opinions.  If they did not spend so much time talking about his so called Tweets, no one would even know what he said or Tweeted.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:15 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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        Carl..you need customer's with disposable income to grow the iCrap business model. Watch the supply chain bottleneck unfold before your eyes. Where should I ship you a sack of Tena® ULTRA Fitted Briefs?

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:28 | Link to Comment cassotto
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        whatever Icahn buys the sheeple will buy; all he has to do is make it public on cnbc, sit back and enjoy the ride
        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:29 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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        Fuck Icahn i've been hearing about this POS since I was a kid it's about time to learn what all that wealth is for and be 6' under.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:58 | Link to Comment Waterfallsparkles
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        Sounds like he is getting desperate.  He has a huge amount of Money invested and the Stock is not moving.  Heaven forbid if the market corrects it stays above where he bought it.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:33 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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        People should remember that dual citizen I-Con is a robber baron; a destroyer, not a maker. His history in the USA reveals this to be true. If he says buy, it can only mean that he wants to sell.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:38 | Link to Comment RECISION
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        Cook is not a FINANCE Guy...?

        You mean he isn't interested in looting and asset-stripping his own company...???

        Shock, horror...

        Fuck you Icahn - or is that iCunt.

        Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:40 | Link to Comment malek
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        Pitching Ultra HD as Apple's next killer app/device <facepalm>

        Guys, that's all very nice but it took how many years to get from SD to HD television on the majority of materials and channels?

        Fri, 01/24/2014 - 05:57 | Link to Comment vyeung
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        what you have here is a TRUST FUND BABY (emm MANAGEMENT) thanks to the late great Steve Jobs. APPL is a declining and certainly non innovative company. Without Jobs the company is a headless chicken running around.

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