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"Just Say Nyet" - Fedex, DHL Suspend Shipments To Russian Customers

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In the aftermath of earlier comments from White House spokesman Carney that the US is considering sanctions for Ukraine violence, a move aimed squarely at Putin, at least several US private sector companies have decided to take matters into their own hands. To wit:

  • DHL, FEDEX SUSPEND SHIPMENTS TO RUSSIAN CUSTOMERS: REUTERS

Reuters has more:

Express delivery companies DHL and FedEx said on Thursday they had suspended foreign shipments to individual customers in Russia because of stricter customs procedures, making it harder for internet users to buy goods from abroad. DHL will suspend all shipments of goods for personal use to Russia from January 27, the company said in emailed comments, after already suspending most such imports already in 2010.

 

President Vladimir Putin ordered a campaign late last year to "put into order" a booming e-commerce sector. One of the proposed measures was lowering a value threshold for purchases in foreign online stores that are subject to customs duty.

 

According to DHL Express, part of Deutsche Post (DPWGn.DE), Russian authorities from January 2014 expanded the list of documents required to ship goods to individual customers, which has significantly slowed customs clearance.

 

A Moscow call-centre operator for FedEx said shipments to individual customers in Russia were "temporarily suspended". The FedEx press office was not immediately available for comment.

 

According to a draft letter to clients from Russia's Association of Express Carriers, seen by Reuters, other providers such as UPS (UPS.N), TNT (TNTE.AS), and DPD also decided to suspend imports.

And now, it's time for Gapzorm to suspend shipments of natgas to European customers, just as the Qatar-mandated explosions in Sochi are set to begin. And then it gets really fun.

 

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Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:03 | 4359766 Looney
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What, no more condom contraband? ;-)

Looney

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:12 | 4359806 ZerOhead
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The lack of fresh iPhone supply could set NSA efforts back for several years...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:14 | 4359822 Pladizow
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Introduce Putin Express or perhaps KGB Express!

End the relience on SWIFT and US Corps = No Mas Problemas!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:24 | 4359854 SWRichmond
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Full court press against Putin by the West.  The Olympics thing also (as if anyone really cared about the Olympics).

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:09 | 4360001 Manthong
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hmm.. is DHL West German or East German?

it sure ain't US, and they abandoned their Ohio hub a couple years or so ago.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:31 | 4360081 0b1knob
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What percentage of Russian orders use fraudulent credit card numbers?   I've heard estimates that as much as 80% of charges from Romania are fraudulent.   You can expect most east Euro states to be added to the ban soon.

No way the banks are going to be on the hook for the millions of Target card numbers that the hackers are selling right now.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:38 | 4360109 Boris Alatovkrap
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Federal Express...? Is no more "federal", than is "Federal Reserve".

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:47 | 4360139 walküre
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Boris,just heard on Radio Eriwan that the Russian consumers can use Chinese delivery service? PCS? People's Coolie Service? Is not all lost then.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:00 | 4360577 Boris Alatovkrap
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Da! Chow mein, sweet and vinegar shrimp, General Tsau spicy hot chicken is popular of immense proportion in Russia, and now is can be deliver to own apartment. You are not also Chinese Delivery Service in America!?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:19 | 4360627 Manthong
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Yo, tovarisch..  is good to be learnng both Rooskie and Manderin though this year..

Is most important way to talk on the planet in next few years. 

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 02:35 | 4361831 kashey
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You chose wrong person to talk to in Russian, Boris doesn't speak it. Potomu chto on amerikanets.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 02:37 | 4361836 kashey
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Yes, we can, but new Russian customs regulations are applued to all e-purchases from abroad so Chinese will suffer too.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:56 | 4360169 Kirk2NCC1701
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And yet they seem just as Patriotic in supporting the Amerikan Oligarks, eh?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:21 | 4360246 Manthong
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Da.. but former United States is now Federal Dominion.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:43 | 4360127 giggler321
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It's probably more like they want to stop the purchase of Russian made geiger counters, entering country for people to see, at least in a buzz and digits on lcd what's happened to their country.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:31 | 4360672 Manthong
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dit.. dit..  dit-dit dit dit dit dit dit dit dit

OMG.. WTF ???

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:27 | 4360061 kashey
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The author if the article is absolutely wrong, it has nothing to do with sanctions. It is nothing but a form of local market protection + to raise more customs taxes..

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:42 | 4360117 Boris Alatovkrap
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Mr. Kashey,

Maybe Capital Control is raise custom taxes, maybe is use excuse of local market protection,... but,

Capital Control is about one only thing... C-O-N-T-R-O-L

Libido Dominandi - lust to dominate is sickness

Sincerely,

Boris

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:58 | 4360178 kashey
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Boris, where are you from? You are obviously not Russian.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:57 | 4360561 Boris Alatovkrap
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You are place preposition at end of English sentence...? From where are you come? Obvious not English spoken country.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:37 | 4360696 Manthong
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..warm place is good to be..

not here with -20C.

Rhyme I make?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 02:31 | 4361823 kashey
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I'm Russian from Moscow, this is the reason I see you're not Russian. You speak English not the way Russians do.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:04 | 4360776 Wahooo
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LOL. Another ass kicking by Vlad is about to happen. Doesn't Obama ever get tired of being raped?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 21:57 | 4361133 Double.Eagle.Gold
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President Obama is perhaps all-time greatest President.

 

He has proven quite clearly parties don't matter; both have same agenda -- promoting their TBTF financial backers.

Time to stop voting and start learning how to plant, harvest, and otherwise provide for ourselves.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:16 | 4360800 ArrestBobRubin
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I'm so gonna love watching the Judo throw Pootsie lays on these bankster whoreboy lame-o's. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:25 | 4359856 Citxmech
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How much you wanna bet that there is substantial CIA involvement in any shit that goes down during Sochi?  (Payback for Syria)

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:42 | 4359926 CPL
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Naw, FedEX and UPS are in big trouble with the airline industry death spiral happening. 

All those brand name people airlines pay a fortune for terminal fees, UPS and FedEX are subsidized by them in return by a matter of accounting tricks.  With the entire airline industry going tits up from a combinations of government legislation, taxation, fuel, salaries, stock issues, outstanding dividend payments.  Basically a complete mess wrapped in red tape with a turd on top.

After 30 years of stick handling an industry poorly with subsidies, kickbacks, bribes and 'awards'.  That stone isn't giving anymore blood, and with the airline industry grounding itself.  That's the start of the end of over night shipping because it is secretly subsidized entirely by the rest of the airline industry. 

Ever wonder why the same package shipped by a postal service is about 5 times higher than FedEX?  You pay for it with every trip somewhere.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:05 | 4359993 Max Cynical
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CPL, I beg to differ...

UPS, FedEx and the like don't use the passenger terminals and shouldn't have to pay for them. They pay the same landing fees and fuel surcharges and pay rent to those airports where they have a presence, whether that's a warehouse or just a ramp for loading/unloading.

In addition, the FAA trust fund is flush with cash...

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is funded primarily by the Airport and Airway Trust Fund (Trust Fund or AATF) which receives revenues from a series of excise taxes paid by users of the national airspace system — and by the General Fund.

The Trust Fund's purpose was to establish sources of funding that would increase concurrently with the use of the system, and assure timely and long-term commitments to capacity increases. The Trust Fund was designed to finance investments in the airport and airway system and, to the extent funds were available, cover the operating costs of the airway system as well.

Trust Fund revenues are derived from excise taxes on:

  • Domestic airline passenger tickets
  • Domestic airline passenger flight segments
  • International passenger arrivals and departures
  • Air cargo waybills
  • Aviation fuels
  • Amounts paid for the right to provide mileage awards

At the beginning of FY 2012 the Trust Fund had a cash balance of $10.3 billion.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:19 | 4360237 CPL
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Paying Peter to pay Paul to pay off Fred.  So I missed adding graft and over surcharges in the list of other boat anchors sinking the airline industry to the bottom.  The fact the slush fund exists to buttress about six layers of slush funding should have been the first indication that the industry was in serious trouble.  Seriously how difficult is it for a company to do something crazy...like 'make a profit' and balance that against costs.

Instead the airline industry would make a bookie puke up their shoes for the amount of questionable accounting tactics used to maintain the illusion it's functional as a business and industry.

To add salt on the rest of the industry's wounds.  FedEX and UPS haven't paid their fair share of their responsibility to actually fly in the sky.  The package delivery industry eclipses all airline industry subgroups.  It's larger than any air force on the planet, just like Walmart is the largest supply chain provider in the world.  And like Walmart the pundits and lobby groups leverage that to bully the terminals, fuel and insurance industries to pass costs to other people. 

To put it in perspective the USAF pays more for the privilege to pay fedEX and UPS to deliver iPods.  And here's the sad thing.  They OWN their own tarmacs and towers...and they bleed out money like water through a sieve every minute of every day.

So my disbelief in fedEX and UPS's profitability is only reflected in the fact industries and government agencies surrounding them are getting run into the ground by reality.  Which leave the only other option, which is the round about way those companies fund the delivery industry by proxy of dozens of other revenue venues.  It's plain as day that it's happening. And it's not only completely unbelievable that they are profitable without subsidization. 

It would be naive to believe that they operate any lower in costs than the rest of the industry which is punished daily by a single operating requirement of fuel to fly those packages around the world 24/7/365.  The square peg only goes in the round hole when you hammer really hard, not because someone says it does.

This should highlight the other problem, because of the economic framework that's holding the entire aeronautical industry together.  It has taken very little to demolish it to this point.  Not because it was planned that way.  Quite the opposite, if it were planned, then it wouldn't happen.  Instead the usual culprits of stupidity and it's universality of greed helps overlook things like safety, functionality and after a while, usefulness.

Just look at the rail industry.  Took a single consolidation of most rail lines over the past 15 years under a single umbrella.  This just after decades of cutting people and standards.  Today we have things that should never be transported over rail being transported through communities of people.  "Small items" like breaks and engine repairs are over looked to shave another dime from moving products and people from point a to b.  2013 what a record year for trains falling off tracks, and every post inspection report.  Breaks, breaks, breaks, training, breaks again, Engine not replaced under spec.  All the accidents completely avoidable if processes had been followed to the letter.  But they weren't.

Same clowns are starting on the airline industry.  Believe me, it'll be a blessing in disguise with fewer flying gas cans weighing hundreds of tonnes of stone weight aren't going over head.  If it's run the same way as the train industry, which is infinitely more useful and more efficient than planes.

The world will lose the entire aerospace industry for the exact same reason it'll lose the train industry.  Blind, ignorant, useless greed.  I know it sucks, but bed is made and people best find another way to deliver goods to market as soon as possible.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 22:26 | 4361218 Buck Johnson
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It looks like we are getting ready for a world war to begin from  the Sochi attacks that will happen to Ukraine etc. etc..

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:03 | 4359770 Agent P
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I thought DHL was German?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:07 | 4359784 css1971
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Nope.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:15 | 4359790 Looney
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So, let's see... Something (good or bad) is going on in Ukraine and, because of THAT, shipments to Russia are suspended? Hmm...   "If you want your shipment, you can keep your shipment"   Looney
Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:31 | 4360077 kashey
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No, customs taxes constitute big part of Russian budget revenues, so it's nothing but previously untaxed import into taxed import zone.
It's absolutely internal Russian move, nothing to do with Ukraine or any sanctions.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:26 | 4359866 Tinky
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Germany's main postal system is Deutsche Post DHL

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:50 | 4359957 Agent P
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And DHL (DHL Express) is a subsidiary. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:13 | 4360226 Kirk2NCC1701
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Of course DHL is German.  You should also know by now that German love to bow down (cowtow) to all forms of Authority.  Post-war conditioning by the Allies has ensured that the Germans ask "How high", every time we say "Jump".

No longer are Germanic Tribes (Allemanns, Bavarians, Franks, Sachsons, Schwabs, Teutons) the fiercely proud, strong and independent tribes of the Roman era.  Where the Romans failed, the Christian Church succeeded.  Centuries of conditioning and breeding by the German aristocracy and the Church has ensured the Germans' "love of compliance" (PC term for "...just following orders").  They even have an official word for it: Obrigkeit Bewusst ~ Authority Awareness.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:04 | 4359775 cossack55
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Can't the Russians buy their cheap Chinese shit direct from China?  They can just take a train to the border and screw DHL.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:12 | 4359809 americanspirit
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Cossack55 - the border with China is 7-8 times zones away from the major Russian cities and there is one train - occasionally.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:16 | 4359828 Ignatius
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We call that "an opportunity".

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:04 | 4359776 Grande Tetons
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Where is Boris with his commentary? 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:09 | 4359797 Looney
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Securing Sochi? ;-)

Looney

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:11 | 4359805 kralizec
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Maybe he worked for Fedex or DHL and just got laid off!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:13 | 4359816 oddjob
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Boris watch rerun of Castaway on Russian repeatflix for local take.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:19 | 4360039 kashey
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Boris is in the US. He's an American troll trying to look like a Russian. Russians are quite proficient in grammar but lack vocabulary of English.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 00:01 | 4361564 IrritableBowels
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I suppose you also think that santa claus and the tooth fairy aren't real?

 

EDIT: Or that his last name isn't really "Alotovkrap"...

From the Navy Pipeline: MOTO- 'Master of the Obvious'

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 03:44 | 4361884 kashey
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Hands off Santa!
You Americans have nothing left to believe to....
As for Boris, I wouldn't mind if he played Russian, but if he did it not in a clown way. It's a matter of principles.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:04 | 4359777 Gene Parmesan
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Escalation is the name of the game from here on out.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:07 | 4359783 Joebloinvestor
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Suspension of all deliveries except phones and computers which were intercepted and had bugs installed in.

 

Thanks for the "heads up" and the ANT catalog Ed!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:11 | 4359786 Dr. Engali
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Damn I hate when a globalized economy starts to fall apart at the seams.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:13 | 4359811 NoDebt
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Especially when 2 weeks ago bullish sentiment was running 99.999999999%.  Hate it when that happens.

Who's ready to BTFD with me at 3:30 today?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:29 | 4359878 Dr. Engali
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Those 85 lackeys at Davos better fix things quick or all heck might break loose.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 00:04 | 4361576 IrritableBowels
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"fix"

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:41 | 4359923 eclectic syncretist
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Shortly after the close Microsoft will be reporting how wonderful they're doing, since Windows 8 is such a big hit, and Chrome and Bing are making such great headway against Firefox and Google.  They'll probably have to double their estimates for 2014 earnings. sarc/

In reality, today could just be a warmup for the real action tomorrow.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:08 | 4359792 LawsofPhysics
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“When goods and services don't cross borders, soldiers will.”

“The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.”

Fredric Bastiat, early French economist

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:10 | 4359802 maskone909
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i like those quotes

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:17 | 4360235 Kirk2NCC1701
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LoP, for a "farmer", you sure got great lines and quotes.  :-)

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:07 | 4359793 JustObserving
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You knew there would be payback for Putin stopping that war with Syria that Obama and Hollande lusted for.  It turns out that Obama was lying all along.

And, of course, there has to be some payback for Puting granting asylum to Snowden.

Russia is now denouncing Western efforts in the riots in the Ukraine.

Relations between Obama and Putin will get a lot worse.

Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html

Russia has upped the ante in its denunciation of the West’s role in Ukraine’s escalating political crisis, with a Kremlin spokesman voicing “indignation” over foreign meddling in Ukrainian affairs.

President Vladimir Putin’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov said the Kremlin feels “regret and indignation” over “outside interference” in the confrontation between protesters and security forces in the Ukrainian capital Kiev.

A day earlier the Russian Parliament accused Western politician of “blatant interferences” in what it described as an “attempt to forcefully overthrow the legitimate government” in Ukraine.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/russia-ups-ante-in-row-...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:28 | 4359795 So Close
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Currency wars escalate into trade wars.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:57 | 4360355 SDShack
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and where does history say trade wars escalate into?...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:11 | 4359807 UncleBubba
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At 5x the cost to ship something to Russia via "express service" vs USPS - "new regulation" is just an excuse to exit the market gracefully, and cut their losses...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:25 | 4360262 Kirk2NCC1701
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Hello Vlad, I see it as a FANTASTIC Opportunity for Russian courier services:

Enter Freedom Express or Federation Express -- with hubs in Germany and US, providing world-class courier services (where others fear to tread).

Never waste a 'crisis' that can be turned into an advantage.  Pivot & shoot, pivot & shoot.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:13 | 4359817 Cognitive Dissonance
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"DHL will suspend all shipments of goods for personal use......."

But bidness being bidness the super clean Russian corporations will still receive their laundered currency.

<Do I smell hypocrisy?>

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:13 | 4360020 gmrpeabody
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Nothing wrong with your smeller...

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:33 | 4360271 Kirk2NCC1701
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I smell the next TV ad:  "What can brown do for you?"

I'll bet those German UPS workers love to wear their brown shirts.  ;-)

Is that racist?  Or is it "ok" to make fun of Germans, per current American PC rules?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 23:23 | 4361459 kurt
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As a 7th generation German American I can tell you, and I enclude Hollywood and all the Juden, that it is distinctly NOT alright to perseverate continued degredation of my proud people. Having been brought up properly with a cold and distant father and plenty of cruelty (to make me strong) I can assure you that I will assemble an ARMY AND KILL CRUSH AND DESTROY you with a powerful industrial army of shining blond supermen, and I will do it efficently.

So stop that or I will get very, very mad!

I sould also like to apologise for the behavior of my Homeland (the one in europe) in the recent conflict begining in 1939 and ending in 1945.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:20 | 4359823 Dr. Engali
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First you have currency wars, then trade wars, followed by shooting wars. All we need now is one well timed assassination. Are there any major events coming up here soon?

 

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/partners-about

 

Hmmm.... doesn't look like FedEx is on the list.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:23 | 4359846 RobD
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So what world leader is going to stand in for the Arch Duke in Soshi? Any takers? Immortality for starting WWIII.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:51 | 4360157 walküre
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My guess is the battlegrounds will be in India, Pakistan, Thailand. That whole region is on the brink. TPTB are inserted horizontically, vertically, diametrically and any which way you can thinkacally

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:29 | 4359875 Billy Sol Estes
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Hope our next president's name isn't Frank Fernandez or something like that.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:33 | 4359900 DIgnified
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I notice the usual-multinational-suspects on the list of sponsprs. Dow, P&G, GE.  Bad juju. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:17 | 4359829 Magnum
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Smart move by Russia if they gettightened import rules for consumer crap sent at exorbitant shipping rates.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:20 | 4359843 maskone909
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this is all just more proof that these large multinationals work for the state, not the people.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:52 | 4360334 ArrestBobRubin
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It's much worse than that. States are effectively owned by the MNC's and banks, but the real key to understanding is to follow the money to learn the owners and controllling shareholders of those corporations. They are the .0001% and their goal is to create a neo-feudal global plantation where they are the lords of the manor. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:28 | 4359865 DIgnified
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Heres the formula for figuring out whos a protester or whos a terrorist:

 

 

IF- Disgruntled citizen + a nation with a western-run cenral bank THEN = Terrorist (read AlQaeda, or some variant)

IF- Disgruntled citizen + a nation with no western-run central bank THEN = Oppressed Dissident

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:27 | 4359868 10mm
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So how's this fit with are military assisting with Olympics? 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:29 | 4359877 DIgnified
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Russia rejected the US offer of "assistance."  This whole "Black widdow" thing is laughable.  Theyre not even trying anymore, to not be obvious with the flags.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:29 | 4359874 rlouis
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Just crazy enough to generate some shareholder lawsuits. 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:31 | 4359888 rlouis
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I don't know if he really said it, it came in an email:


"
Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
…Vladimir Putin-2013

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:35 | 4359906 Frank N. Beans
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this is good, no more Fedex Castaways living on lonely islands in south Pacific

 

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:40 | 4359922 Ness.
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W I L S O N!!!!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:39 | 4359921 Orly
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I pray for the people of Ukraine.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:20 | 4360045 TPTB_r_TBTF
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which god did you pray to?

 

The same god the neighboring Khazars pray to?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:36 | 4360292 JR
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Yes, TPTB... As Gregory the Great, put it, it has not pleased God to save men through logic.

So in defense of the helpless, the exploited, in defense of order and justice and freedom, we must pray... And by Khazars, if you mean the Jews, yes, it is the same God for those who accept him, mainly the Orthodox Jews. If you mean Allah, He is the same God as that of the Christians.  As for the barbarians amongst us, i.e., the godless...

"It is part of the barbarian's self-protection to reject cultivation. He may repel all influences that would mollify the attitude that keeps him narrow and destructive. Putting this in a figurative way, one might assert that men are not ready for literature until they have been 'Christianized.' By this I refer to the establishment of that 'prejudice' Blackmuir speaks of in Language as Gesture. They must give initial assent to certain propositions about man and the world. In no age are all men equally ready to give this assent, and in our age there are new active forces to persuade them against giving it. The barbarian's picutre of the world is founded upon simple adulation of force, direct ways of satisfying appetite and generally the absence of any idea about human destiny. When the barbarian is asked to respect things which rebuke, refine, and control these ideas, he is being asked to change his way of life. Hence, the problem of conversion arise..." -- Richard M. Weaver, Visions of Order: The Cultural Crisis of Our Time

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:14 | 4360227 JR
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I, too, Orly. And good to see you back.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:36 | 4360288 Orly
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Not really back but in the background reading the important stuff.  Still too many idiots on here like the above moron who believes it's "so cool" to go through life trying to learn how to spell schaedenfreude.

But thank you for noticing me.

:/

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:16 | 4360388 ArrestBobRubin
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Orly, in your opinion, what or whom represents the biggest, most dire threat to the Ukrainian people right now?

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 19:57 | 4360758 Orly
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It is a difficult question to answer.  The problem is that there are basically two sides to the country, with the eastern side choosing the protection of mother Russia and the western side opting for western-style democracy and self-determination, albeit of an idealised fashion.

There is no reason that there cannot be both scenarios unfold. Donetsk can have access to cheap energy, while L'viv can smoke weed at University.

Unfortunately, where there is a vacuum of complete control, there arises power struggles, backstabbing and political imprisonment.  Look at what happened Yushchenko defeated Yanukovych and Tymoshenko came to power in the parliament: Yushchenko is scarred for life from a dinner party, while Yulia rots away in prison.

Expect the same thing to happen again and again until Putin achieves complete control over his unfettered access to the Black Sea.

So who is putting the people in danger?  Those that would stand up for their basic human rights to self-determination, that's who.  They are the ones who will roil the people to protest in the face of water cannon and worse.  Maybe it is better for Tymoshenko to remain in jail.  That way, Ukrainians can go about their lives safely and without fear that they will get stepped on any more.  Now a boxer to lead the rebellion?  Really?

The sale of vodka may quadruple but there will be no need for night-sticks.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 20:53 | 4360907 ArrestBobRubin
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Very interesting analysis and insights to some of the internal dynamics and issues at play. Looking at this from a Great Game perspective however, it's apparent the West is using Ukraine to increase political pressure on Russia and would try to install more ABM sites even closer to her borders if they prevail. But they won't. 

It's a shame that as always, ordinary people are caught in the middle, less than pawns on a much larger chessboard.... But does anyone honestly think that Vladimir Putin would allow the Ukraine to become a Western-controlled forward operating base in service to central bankers? If you were in his shoes, would you? The US was ready to go to war over Cuba and Ukraine is much more strategically important to Russia.

The bottom line is the West isn't going to war over Ukraine and this is what tells me this is mostly another ginned up "color revolution", a media event primarily designed to annoy and embarrass Russia going into Sochi. Watch how much less the Western "media" is interested in the plight of the average Ukie once it no longer suits them to club Putin over the head with it.

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 21:25 | 4361017 Orly
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You succintly put it how I could have just summed it up in a sentence or so:

There are mucho machinations afoot and the little people would actually be best served to step out of the way.

It saddens me to no end but Ukraine has always been the linchpin in the game of Risk.

Thank you for your response.

:D

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 21:36 | 4361064 ArrestBobRubin
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Sure, nice chatting with you

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:48 | 4359945 MFLTucson
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The Ukraine and Russia go back many years and will figure there own problems out.  We have NO BUSINESS at all, in sticking our nose in their affairs.  If I were Putin, I would tell DHL and Fedex, you are permanently banned from doing business in Russia, get the hell out. Who in the fuck is Fedex or DHL to do something like this when the Western economies are crashing and retail sales are leading the pack? They are not pawns for the US led ignorance!!

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 15:52 | 4359962 GooseShtepping Moron
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Not a good idea, messing with Putin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D695DaPPSZw

 

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:06 | 4359997 alien-IQ
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There will be blowback for these companies. I hope it's brutal.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:20 | 4360041 JR
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Will the world surrender to banker propaganda, i.e., a banker-controlled Administration (Carney threatens sanctions over Ukraine violence) and a banker-controlled Europe that wants Ukraine to join the sinking ship?

The West is getting censored and filtered news about the Ukraine situation.

Listen: rocks, firebombs, arson, Molotov cocktails, explosive devises, burning trucks and buses in the streets. And this, not from police but, CBS news had to admit, from several hundred hard-line activists. In response, those awful policemen were using rubber bullets, stun guns and tear gas, while the hard-line agitators installed a catapult in place to heave cobble stones into the police lines.

So, as strong measures against the protestors were instituted, the banker-controlled West quickly jumps in to side with these hardliners who want to bring down an elected government.

Moderate protestors earlier had carried signs and asked for more negotiations in talks with European officials; but now that these moderate protestors are gone out comes Carney to support the hardcore Left or as some call these Communist agitators, the far right neo-Nazis .

When will the American people wake up to the reality that their government is in the hands of International bankers whose goal always has been worldwide victory for Socialism?

A journalist at the scene explains how the pro-European, anti-Ukrainian nationalist news in Kiev that Americans read is being “filtered through the opposition’s lens” before it reaches the West. Here is what Ukraine-based journalist Graham Philips told RT today.

An excerpt:

“GP: In terms of that you have to look at who’s reporting the actual actions taking place in Kiev. It’s coming filtered through the prism of organizations such as Radio Svoboda, Ukrainskaya Pravda and the Kiev Post. Their objectivity is completely compromised by the fact they’re effectively opposition activists organs. And they are functioning in that way — and they are reporting the news to that ends, and so we get the news filtered through the opposition’s lens. And that’s how it is reported to the wide world.”

RT: What do you think is the driving force of the unrest?

GP: The driving force is clearly fundamental far right extremist neo-Nazi politics. Everyone knew that when ‘Svoboda’ achieved around 10% of the votes in the October, 2012 election there were going to be repercussions, and it didn’t take long. And this has been in the offing for a long time. If you notice now, nobody is even talking about the Association agreement; nobody is even talking about Tymoshenko’s release from prison, which were supposedly the touch papers which lit this up. This was orchestrated from the beginning, and if you go to the occupied City Hall now you’ll see Svoboda’s flags, Svoboda’s banners flying, bedecked across the building. So make no mistake: this is an attempt by a party strongly linked with far right neo-Nazi politics to overthrow the Ukrainian government.

RT: From what we've been hearing from different opposition factions - it seems like nationalist groups are gaining momentum? Why does the international community ignore this? And how long can the activists be unnoticed?

GP: I was stunned, I was on the Grushevskogo on Sunday. And I saw guys lining up with missiles and ‘Molotov cocktails’, knives and weapons of every single manner attacking police in every way they could. And I’ve returned from that and I was on the internet checking the news, and it was reported immediately that the US government had introduced sanctions against the Ukrainian government; the Ukrainian police and government are being criticized. But to be there on the ground it is absurd to reconcile that with what you see. I have been at the City Hall just before the proceeding events – these guys were getting militarized, were getting mobilized, they were getting ready to go into war. They knew exactly, they were receiving briefings, they were receiving instructions on the basis of going into war. And they went to that end to effectively instigate a civil war in Ukraine. I think it would really be tendentious to say what we have at the moment is a degree of a civil war in Ukraine.”

http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-western-news-filtered-opposition-088/

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:26 | 4360058 ZeroPoint
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Amazon take note - your rediculous drone delivery system might actually have a utility here.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:36 | 4360101 Rising Sun
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HONEY!!!!!

 

DID YOU BUY THE ORVILLE REDENBACHER TODAY?????

 

With lots of butter.....mmmmmmm.....so good.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 16:50 | 4360144 Lei_in_AZ
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I just know that I personally would not want to be a FedEx guy in a FedEx van in Russia delivering to random neighborhoods.  Especially not in the current environment.

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 17:44 | 4360310 kurt
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Like Coke and Pepsi, DHL, FedEx---  CIA Front Operations

Jeepers Wally, your not sayin' a mobile international workforce with its own aircraft moving packages and personel, at will, globally is a TOOL of an neonazi totalitarian techno-state?

Nope, Beav. Besides, who would be fighting last century's cold war on an emotional whim, based on closeted homosexual attraction to Putin and anger over a guy named Snowden? That would be just crazy!

Yeah Wally. Next thing you know people would be sayin' there messing with their Olympics on a massive scale just to be pricks.  

Thu, 01/23/2014 - 18:21 | 4360439 ArrestBobRubin
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And all of the entities you mention also play key roles in the global narcotics trade. In league w CIA and all in service to the Real Terrorists.

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