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America’s Relative Decline: Should We Panic?

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Submitted by Zachery Zeck via The Diplomat,

Over at the Washington Post, Charles Kenny has a provocative op-ed arguing that China’s GDP will almost certainly soon surpass America’s in absolute terms, and this is to the United States’ benefit (the op-ed is based on Kenny’s new book, which can be purchased here).

Kenny’s first argument in support of this claim is that Americans’ quality of life will still be better than their Chinese counterparts, and that in fact “losing the title of largest economy doesn’t really matter much to Americans’ quality of life.” Fine.

Kenny next concedes that there may be some negative effects, but nonetheless argues that these are limited. For example, he notes that the dollar may no longer be the world’s reserve currency, but “businesses in the rest of the world still manage to export, even though they must go through the trouble of exchanging currencies.” Similarly, while having the largest GDP has allowed America to maintain the largest and most powerful military, “how much [has] the three-quarters increase in defense spending between 2000 and 2011 enhanced America’s well-being?” Thus, lower defense spending could be a net positive.

Kenny goes on to list a number of benefits America will receive from its relative economic decline. For example, this relative decline “is mainly a result of the developing economies becoming larger, healthier, more educated, more free and less violent. And there is little doubt the United States benefits from that,” such as through increased exports and being able to import the amazing new innovations these newly empowered countries will no doubt invent. Moreover, economic growth in the developing world “also means that there are more places for Americans to travel in security and comfort.”

There’s no doubt some truth to at least some of this. Most notably, China having a larger GDP will not equate to a better quality of life for Chinese people, and, I suppose, having more vacation spots to choose from also could bring some amount of joy to the top 1% of Americans who get bored of laying out on the same hundreds of beaches they currently feel safe to vacation in.

Still, China’s relative rise and the United States’ relative decline carries significant risks, for the rest of the world probably more so than for Americans. Odds are, the world will be worse off if China and especially others reach parity with the U.S. in the coming years.

This isn’t to say America is necessarily as benign a hegemon as some in the U.S. claim it to be. In the post-Cold War era, the U.S. has undoubtedly at times disregarded international laws or international opinions it disagreed with. It has also used military force with a frequency that would have been unthinkable during the Cold War or a multipolar era. Often this has been for humanitarian reasons, but even in some of these instances military action didn’t help. Most egregiously, the U.S. overrode the rest of the world’s veto in invading Iraq, only for its prewar claims to be proven false. Compounding the matter, it showed complete and utter negligence in planning for Iraq’s future, which allowed chaos to engulf the nation.

Still, on balance, the U.S. has been a positive force in the world, especially for a unipolar power. Certainly, it’s hard to imagine many other countries acting as benignly if they possessed the amount of relative power America had at the end of the Cold War. Indeed, the British were not nearly as powerful as the U.S. in the 19th Century and they incorporated most of the globe in their colonial empire. Even when it had to contend with another superpower, Russia occupied half a continent by brutally suppressing its populace. Had the U.S. collapsed and the Soviet Union emerged as the Cold War victor, Western Europe would likely be speaking Russian by now. It’s difficult to imagine China defending a rule-based, open international order if it were a unipolar power, much less making an effort to uphold a minimum level of human rights in the world.

Regardless of your opinion on U.S. global leadership over the last two decades, however, there is good reason to fear its relative decline compared with China and other emerging nations. To begin with, hegemonic transition periods have historically been the most destabilizing eras in history. This is not only because of the malign intentions of the rising and established power(s). Even if all the parties have benign, peaceful intentions, the rise of new global powers necessitates revisions to the “rules of the road.” This is nearly impossible to do in any organized fashion given the anarchic nature of the international system, where there is no central authority that can govern interactions between states.

We are already starting to see the potential dangers of hegemonic transition periods in the Asia-Pacific (and arguably the Middle East). As China grows more economically and militarily powerful, it has unsurprisingly sought to expand its influence in East Asia. This necessarily has to come at the expense of other powers, which so far has primarily meant the U.S., Japan, Vietnam and the Philippines. Naturally, these powers have sought to resist Chinese encroachments on their territory and influence, and the situation grows more tense with each passing day. Should China eventually emerge as a global power, or should nations in other regions enjoy a similar rise as Kenny suggests, this situation will play itself out elsewhere in the years and decades ahead.

All of this highlights some of the advantages of a unipolar system. Namely, although the U.S. has asserted military force quite frequently in the post-Cold War era, it has only fought weak powers and thus its wars have been fairly limited in terms of the number of casualties involved. At the same time, America’s preponderance of power has prevented a great power war, and even restrained major regional powers from coming to blows. For instance, the past 25 years haven’t seen any conflicts on par with the Israeli-Arab or Iran-Iraq wars of the Cold War. As the unipolar era comes to a close, the possibility of great power conflict and especially major regional wars rises dramatically. The world will also have to contend with conventionally inferior powers like Japan acquiring nuclear weapons to protect their interests against their newly empowered rivals.

But even if the transitions caused by China’s and potentially other nations’ rises are managed successfully, there are still likely to be significant negative effects on international relations. In today’s “globalized” world, it is commonly asserted that many of the defining challenges of our era can only be solved through multilateral cooperation. Examples of this include climate change, health pandemics, organized crime and terrorism, global financial crises, and the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, among many others.

A unipolar system, for all its limitations, is uniquely suited for organizing effective global action on these transnational issues. This is because there is a clear global leader who can take the initiative and, to some degree, compel others to fall in line. In addition, the unipole’s preponderance of power lessens the intensity of competition among the global players involved. Thus, while there are no shortages of complaints about the limitations of global governance today, there is no question that global governance has been many times more effective in the last 25 years than it was during the Cold War.

The rise of China and potentially other powers will create a new bipolar or multipolar order. This, in turn, will make solving these transnational issues much more difficult. Despite the optimistic rhetoric that emanates from official U.S.-China meetings, the reality is that Sino-American competition is likely to overshadow an increasing number of global issues in the years ahead. If other countries like India, Turkey, and Brazil also become significant global powers, this will only further dampen the prospects for effective global governance.

Therefore, many of the benefits that Kenny predicts will accompany the rise of developing countries may not occur, at least in as dramatic a fashion as one might think. For instance, there’s no doubt that a richer developing world should result in more American exports. However, American exports might at the same time be constrained by a far less open global trade environment in a multipolar world. Things we take for granted today, such as freedom of navigation and airflight, could very well be much less assured in a bipolar or multipolar future. There’s also the possibility that the world will divide into spheres of influence, in which regional hegemonic powers demand highly preferential access to markets in their home regions. Similarly, the decline of the U.S. dollar and greater international competition could also result in far more unstable international financial markets that also inhibit trade.

In short, Kenny’s no doubt correct that China becoming the largest economy won’t be the doomsday that some in America predict. Indeed, there will almost certainly be some benefits that come with it. Still, the rise of China and the rest, should it continue, will also create new dangers and risks that the world would be wise not to neglect.

 

 


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Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:09 | Link to Comment razorthin
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I'm sorry, I can't laugh and panic at the same time.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Mr Pink
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Just wanted to get here early and downvote myself before the little shithead does

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:20 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Well done Mr.Pink!

So, I see GDP still means something to economists & pundits to comment on, in spite of what Kuznets said it was and what it was not. Perhaps when they get it all the way up to 50% of double counting the very same metric, it will dawn on them.

But I doubt it.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:17 | Link to Comment Gankfest
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<--- Grabs Popcorn! :P

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 03:15 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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super fun video about large-scale dairy farming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52jP_Sd1zJE

if you are a cow, the reason you are impregnated is so that you will produce milk

now eat your feed, cow, and shuffle over to the milking parlor

all three billion of you

hugs,
the guests at davos 

ps - eat your vegetables!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 04:00 | Link to Comment mt paul
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cast iron cows

 

in the rain ...

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 06:38 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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So we're transforming into what Russia was 40 years ago.......how is this progress?

 

I vote we change yes we can....to let's not.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:37 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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Closer to the truth is that we're transforming into what Germany was, 80 years ago. Same thing that fucked them is going to fuck us: what happens when all the reserve dollars the world no longer needs to hold come flooding back into the US economy all at once?

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 08:00 | Link to Comment negative rates
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You didn't make that silverware.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 08:34 | Link to Comment Occident Mortal
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I like the way how when America is #1 it's a unipolar world and as soon as China is #1 then it's a bipolar world.

China is a superpower NOW.

Their manufacturing base is 5 times bigger than the USA.

The only war to win a war against China is to nuke them within the first 15 minutes. Leave it any longer than that and they will be building targets faster than you can build missiles.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:08 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Relative Decline? Haaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaahhhhhhh....

hmmmmmhmmmmmmmmhhhhh.....

More like clumsy, long thud it looks like from here. I know, it's no laughing matter, but I'm writing from a pre-thudded nation. 

Such tripe could only issue from DC.

Unless relative decline is talking about the mysterious disappereances of OhMama's kenyan ants and uncles....thrice removed of course. That, now, is relative decine...or the decline in relativity....or some such...

ori

I hope you are not "with me"...

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2013/07/08/are-you-with-me/

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 10:35 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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The time for panic was back in '08.

Now that we know for certain that this is all gonna come apart at the seems anyhow and the bulk of the populations will lose their livlihoods to automation in the not-too-distant future ... now is the time for learning new skills like growing and preserving food.

Food - it's the next Big Thing.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:16 | Link to Comment WarriorClass
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The next big thing may well be a Superbowl false flag.

http://americandictators.blogspot.com/2014/01/breaking-news-superbowl-fa...

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 08:24 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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BINGO!  Which is exactly why I bought a really nice 8mm Mauser 98k yesterday to go along with my Walther P38 9mm.

Gee... That just made me realize I don't have a nice old Walther PPK in 32 auto!!

Back to the gun shop!!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 08:36 | Link to Comment stant
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party like its 1859

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 20:35 | Link to Comment Dark_Horse
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...then civil war.

and for theupside ... 

asset backed-currencies were brought back starting in 1861.

Dark_Horse

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:22 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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At that point, get a 22. 9mm kurz (380 auto) is adequate, arguably, but 32ACP?

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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You're an idiot about old guns.

And what are you?  Mister 1911 conceal carry ?

I bet you would love feeling my 8mm Mauser up your faggy ass!

Fuck off douche bag!

And I bet you own a fucking Glock too.

And yout think 7.62 x39 is an equation!

Fucking DUH!

And for you Glock-tards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEswkc4lPs

And part 2 you mooks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA8hK32JRRw

 

But please rush out to buy a retarded Glock 42 so you can be a complete Glock-tard at your "with it" suburbanite gun range!

Do it now you girly man!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 18:51 | Link to Comment OceanX
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Did you also get: bandages, anti-biotecs, morphine, IV, sewing kit and amputation saw? 

I read a lot about the guns and ammos ya'll are buying. No one ever mentions the Medkit.  I guess you just envision yourself doing all the shooting and none of the bleeding...

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:02 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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icanhasbailout,

 

 

Far more pertinent, the regression of Constitutional Laws.

Germany 1937 equivalent.

We ALL have been marked.

Currency tsunami will endow US govt the power to "HELP" the populace in distress.

By design.

Certainly 1939 is a short distance away.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:25 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Queue YouTube of walter sobchak with his 1911 against skinny's forehead, going ballistic about " doesnt anyone follow the fucking rules anymore".

In this case that would be Holder and Obama and Sebelius and so many others impeached and indicted for gross unconstitutional abuse of power. Enforcing the laws selectively and making up others.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 03:13 | Link to Comment CognacAndMencken
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Regrettably, one of the biggest factors contributing to the "decline of America" is the stupid South. Unemployment is higher in the South;disability claims are higher in the South; workers' compensation claims are higher; bankruptcy and foreclosure filings are higher in the South; Social Security outlays are higher; Medicare/caid outlays are higher - all of this, coupled with far less in tax revenue, both corporate and individual. Even the prison population is higher in the South.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWcVSRXDpTY

Many have argued that Southerners are inherently lazy (swinging on the porch with lemonade), but I think the inequity runs deeper than that. Could it be biology? Compared to their northern counterparts, it has been proven that Southerners have a less developed frontal cortex (sloping, angular forehead) and, as a consequence, are less innovative, less intelligent, and more prone to conspiracy, superstition, bigotry, racism, black magic, and religious clownery.  

As an example:  [1] most UFO sightings occur in the South; [2] most faith healers and snake handling occur in the South; [3] the KKK originated in the South; [4] several high-ranking Southern government representatives have argued that women can turn "off" their vaginas (holy cow!); [5] because America elected its first black president, many Southern senators and representatives have blatantly refused to legislate and have even threatened to shut the government down;  [6] many Southerners think that "rich" people are conspiring to create a one-world government and currency (wtf?); [7] Southerners often have child-like obsessions with guns and trucks and Camaros and shiny metals; [8] many Southerners don't even believe in the moon landing (wtf??). 

etc. etc.  

Of course, all of this has social implications as well..... Sort of like wild animals, Southerners won't mix with groups that look/act/believe anything different than they do, which leads to an extremely divided society that doesn't produce and cooperate well together.  For decades, the North has been forced to "carry" them, and now all this Southern baggage is not only bankrupting the country, but pushing the rest of the civilized world away.  

I know this might be difficult for many Southerners to read (those that actually do read), but the first step to fixing the problem is acknowledging it.  Perhaps it's time to consider secession, but where would they go?  Outer space?  The core of the Earth?  One drawback to a Southern secession would be the loss of slave labor that many corporations enjoy in the American South.  Many international companies (Toyota, BMW, Mercedes) have opened production plants in the South because there are literally entire states full of unskilled, unemployed people who are willing to work for far less than the northern country.  State officials in the South lure foreign companies with extreme tax advantages just so their constituents can finally get off the porch-swing, work and assimilate into society like a real, productive person.  A little tax revenue is better than none, I suppose.  This potential loss of American slave-workers will have to be ironed-out, but otherwise I think it's time for the North to gradually push the South out.

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 03:15 | Link to Comment Yenbot
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You Sir (scratch the "Sir") are lower than Fonestar, a carpetbagger, and not worth the powder and shot required to blow you to Hell.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 03:26 | Link to Comment Four chan
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its simply a matter of lower iqs, blacks and mexicans are one standard deviation

lower than even an average european (and we know how dumb the average white is)

look at any concentrated area of these morons (the clinical term of 80 iq and below)

or the prison population and is clear who and what is the problem that has no solution.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 05:10 | Link to Comment prains
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....so how do you explain your moronic comments then within the context you've so "cogently" explained to all

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 05:56 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Oddly enough I am pleased to see that you can grace us with your divine wisdom and great intellect. So much so that I could recommend you take part in ritual suicide in a bunker with your whore of a wife to make the circle complete...

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 08:51 | Link to Comment new game
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i would say to anybody with iq 100 or above; it is the monetary system (stupid)."

once to the core, root, real causation, you will understand where all social injustices eminate.

just trying to be civil and spread understanding. if a civil unrest monts it will be a result of this lack of knowledge.

and the red/blue will turn on each other b/4 dealing with the money changers...

this understandingputs us in an extreme minority, unfortanatly...

jmfo

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:07 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Money yes, or the power derived.

Why else would the destruction of our inhabitable planet be ignored.

This is not 1492 anymore. No "New World" remains.

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:38 | Link to Comment Four chan
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the root of all americas evils in the modern day are the

caused by the fiat money supply and its owners. on this all we agree.. i think.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:06 | Link to Comment ich1baN
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1chan short of 4chan

Actually the global average white IQ is above 100 and the average american white is 105. The average IQ of america is 98. Do the equation yourself

98 = .45(87) + .55(x)

x = 105 

 

45% of the population is latino, mestizo, or black. You have to remember that FBI stats includes latinos and mestizos into the white population category for most of its statistics. 

55% of america is considered truly white.

Average IQ of whites in America is on par with East Asia, but a little lower than Germany's 108 average.

I guess you too went to a government funded school that didn't teach this little tidbit?

Regardless, I think using IQ as the ONLY measure is a terrible way of identifying trends. There are far more important indicators such as culture and "grit" or "perserverance" that are far better predictors of success and likelihood to commit crimes.

It has been proven that IQ is not a good predictor of success and that "grit" is the single best predictor of success.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/ted-talks-education/speaker/dr-angela-lee-duckwo...

 

Also, culture and moral values are a much better predictor of how likely one is to commit a crime. If you are filling your head with the garbage the Hip Hop industry puts out day in and day out and follow them religiously like the puppets their fans are, falling into the illuminati's strategy of divide and conquer or make them dull to moral truths and docile, then it is no wonder when you go outside in any northern city, like Washington DC, New York, Baltimore, Boston, Chicago, or Detroit and you find gangs, drugs, death, violence, and kids wearing their pants down around their ankles. 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 04:29 | Link to Comment Space Animatoltipap
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People that thrive on stereotypes are not very intelligent. btw It's not very difficult to create some on the NY/Boston/Washington citizens. They are megalomane, atheistic and unscientific, have a disturbed "1984" mentality, promote diseased public porn and are drug junkies. Just to name a few ...

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:08 | Link to Comment chindit13
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Here's a funny little fact about Massachusetts...

If Mass was an independent country, its students would score in the top three in the world (with Singapore and Finland IIRC) in math and science test scores.  Since the US is far from top three, some states are dragging down the country.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:59 | Link to Comment Space Animatoltipap
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The level of math and phenomenal science a person has acquired doesn't say anything about the person's actual knowledge of the world. Factually many of these people are mentally handicapped autistic nitwits excessively focused on just one aspect of the relative world. 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 10:39 | Link to Comment chindit13
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Damn that Pythagoras!  Blaise Pascal, too.  I knew they were no good.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 12:49 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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They're Sheldon Coopers? Not in my experience but ok.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 17:33 | Link to Comment reader2010
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“Crafty men condemn studies, simple men admire them, and wise men use them: for they teach not their own use; but that is a wisdom without them, and above them, won by observation. Read not to contradict and confute; nor to believe and take for granted; nor to find talk and discourse; but to weigh and consider. Some books are to be tasted, others to be swallowed, and some few to be chewed and digested….Reading maketh a full man; conference a ready man; and writing an exact man.”

-Francis Bacon, Of Studies, 1625

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Aguila2011
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Why give Mass. all the credit for smart genes.? I hear they take students not only from all over the country but from around the world.  And that makes Mass so damn smart?  Give me a fucking break!  But the citizens who live there and vote elect clowns like Kennedy, Kerry, and that dingbat, whatshisname, Barney Fife, over and over and over again.  Really smart.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Four chan
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actually in fact european jews are highest, which might explain the money

system that so cleverly enslaved a free people.

and asians come in second in iq, with european whites third globally.

hate me hate the facts but the facts are just that. and evolution/society has always

sprang out of the access to iq and away from mystical "witchdoctory" and superstition. 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:06 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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There is a bell curve, or similar distribution, in just about anything you may go out and measure in animal or human population, but my God man (/Leonard McCoy voice) dont you understand not at all in mental aptitude measures!

Ask Larry summers, who correctly (in the science sense not the political sense) pointed out that the wider distribution in math and 3D reasoning within the male human population, which has a very slightly higher mean than for the narrower female human population distribution on those reasoning measures, means you have much fatter tails far out on the high end of the distribution in the male population. QED it's not reflective of discrimination that males seem(at first glance) to be highly over represented on the faculties of math and science dertments of the worlds top institutions. Math IS hard at that level, and there are five or ten times as many XY chromosome people at that reasoning level in the population as XX chromosome people. Also ashkenazi Jews have genetic inheritances that both increase IQ and give higher incidence of certain diseases. And drum roll, the people descended from subsaharan bantus have fatter tails and different means than, say, those from Japanese or esquimo stock in all sorts of physical and performance measures.

Reality is out there!

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:53 | Link to Comment ich1baN
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Again, you are wrong. 

It is Jews of European Ancestry that live ONLY in AMERICA and the UK that come in first at 115. Jews anywhere else do not even compare to their IQs.

The Sephardic Jews in Israel have an average of 89 IQ, while the Ashkenazis in Israel have less than 100 IQ. There is a huge difference in what your statement actually means.

Also, adult Germans have the #1 IQ in the world at 108.

And on your point about Asian IQ. You specifically just mean South Korea, Japan, and Singapore. Other than those countries Asian IQ is vastly lower than most places. Bhutan is around a 79 average. Phillipines is around an 87 average. China is supposedly at 100 average, but keep in mind, you can't trust their statistics considering they use Shanghai test scores to represent their whole country in standardized testing results. 

Furthermore, the whole education system in most asian countries is designed around IQ testing and standardized rote memorization tests. This says nothing of their creativity and the fact that 99.99% of all major inventions the last 500 years including 99.99% of Nobel Prizes have come specifically from 1 of 4 groups. Germans, Britains, Americans, and Ashkenazi Jews (From Britain or the US).

 

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 17:32 | Link to Comment 401K of Dooom
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Oh no they are not!  They are not that intelligent!  The successful students you are talking about are of two kinds.  The first kind of successful students that are in Massachusetts are foreign born immigrants.  They are from countries that have competitive education systems and their families will beat them to death if they do not maintain a high grade point average.  The second group are the Ivy-League.  They are the also known as Brahmins in Boston and run the state from their social connections and old money wealth.  You may see minorities and Irish/Italians in high positions but they are there just as show pieces.  The horrible reality is that the state is full of screwed up kids.  The majority will have their parents run to their side in any disputes with the school districts or the teachers.  The majority of the students are drug-addled failures who are kpt in check by blaming the "Vast-Right_Wing-Conspiracy" In order to allow the Ivy LEague to keep power.  If you do not believe me, go and become a teacher in Massachusetts.  Oh and just take a look at the number of private, non-religious schools in Massachusetts.  They may say they are for the children, but when it comes to THEIR KIDS  you children will be left in the garbage!!!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 06:09 | Link to Comment Dugald
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I seem to recall there was a large French influence in the South in the early days, food for thought........

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:43 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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Dugald

 

We bought it.

And then exploited the South after destroying it.

Are we not continuing this globally?

Yep.

This comes from the North, where our pillaging and destruction will come home.

Deservedly so.

 

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:01 | Link to Comment ManWithaPlan
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The South, with it's ignorance, stood against the Federal Governement..even though it was in the name of enslavement and oppresion. None the less, it still stood against an encroaching governement. So who is to say what was right as equality did not come to blacks, women, and every other lesser folk for another hundred years. What was the purpose? Who are you? Who am I? Did i drink to much?? Probably...I porbably should have just gone up to that black asian girl at the bar and said something to the tune of "you know, we could make some beautiful babbies you and i"

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:03 | Link to Comment Adahy
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5.5/10 on the trollometer.  You can do better.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:04 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Sounds like your expertise on the South comes from your father forcing you to watch Deliverance every time he hate-raped you in the ass as a child. 

You haven't even been on ZH for 8 weeks and every day you're already forensically leaking TMI about yourself. Can't wait 'til tomorrow.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 08:40 | Link to Comment stant
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oh so we did win the war

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 10:06 | Link to Comment BandGap
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The KKK started in Hobart Indiana. Not exactly "the south".

You're a moron.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:08 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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And was 100% democrat, or close to it.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 10:11 | Link to Comment Cloud9.5
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This may come as a surprise to you enlightened northerners who wish to come down here and teach us how to tie our shoes, but before you invaded us, killed us and burned us out, there were more individuals holding college degrees in the south than in the north.  The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights were both written by southerners.  And, the Library of Congress was started by the donation of a southerner’s library.

 

Our prosperity was intentionally destroyed by a northern railroad lawyer and we were turned into a colony of the industrial north. So, what you see down here is in no small part the consequence of the actions of your enlightened forbearers.  Please do me a favor.  Take yourself and a hundred of your friends and go home.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 17:40 | Link to Comment reader2010
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Behind the secession of the South from the Union, after Lincoln was elected President in the fall of 1860 as candidate of the new Republican party, was a long series of policy clashes between South and North. The clash was not over slavery as a moral institution-most northerners did not care enough about slavery to make sacrifices for it, certainly not the sacrifice of war. It was not a clash of peoples (most northern whites were not economically favored, not politically powerful; most southern whites were poor farmers, not decision-makers) but of elites. The northern elite wanted economic expansion-free land, free labor, a free market, a high protective tariff for manufacturers, a bank of the United States. The slave interests opposed all that; they saw Lincoln and the Republicans as making continuation of their pleasant and prosperous way of life impossible in the future.

- A People’s History of the United States, by Howard Zinn

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 10:57 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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Please, please, pretty please....vote the South out of the Union (as long as TX can go too). We will gladly leave (and most want to if it is going to continue on its existing track)...

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 15:44 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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I figure the next secession will be the fly over states seceding from the 2 coasts. I'm a bit screwed in that scenario especially if civil war occurs. I wonder what the doofuses in Capital city will do when the Rebels come over the hill.

I am so sick of our society with the worship of the rich, good-looking, and the athletic while TBTB quietly lording their advantages over everyone in the shadows.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 12:51 | Link to Comment AGuy
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"Regrettably, one of the biggest factors contributing to the "decline of America" is the stupid South." "For decades, the North has been forced to "carry" them"

You could not be further worng. Jobs are moving south, not north or out of the country.  The reason why the North has been paying, is because the North has been over taxing its population. Its been the socialists (mostly northern) politicians that have been promoting the weathfare state. So you blame the south, for policies established by the North. Maybe if the North stopped electing socialists we wouldn't have this problem to begin with.

Secondly, your a bigot! because you are prejudging an entire collection of people that live in a particular region. Odd that you would bring up the KKK, when you are no different. You really think that there are no lazy people living in the North, and that all northerns are skilled workers, and that all southerners are stupid? Get the F*ck off your high horse! Not all southerner are racists and even during the era of slavery there were southern abolitionists such as John Brown that used exterme measures to remove slavery.

"Many international companies (Toyota, BMW, Mercedes) have opened production plants in the South because there are literally entire states full of unskilled"

Nope, Detriot is full of unskilled laborers too! Businesses are moving out because the taxes are insane,  ridiculous regulations,  and the workers are unionized and do not care about the quality of the work they perform.

"State officials in the South lure foreign companies with extreme tax advantages just so their constituents"

Northern states like MA, NJ, NY,MI, CA all do the same.

"many Southerners think that "rich" people are conspiring to create a one-world government "

Huh? Ever hear of Occupy Wall Street in NYC? Were all the participants of Occupy Wall St. from the South. Get a F*cking clue!

FWIW:  I currently live in a northern state and I can not wait to leave! My effective tax rate is now 61%!  I am moving south this year. and going Galt. F*ck this socialism crap. I refuse to pay anymore to have my liberties removed, All my tax dollars are used to against me, supporting weathfare queens can pump out children and have more leisure time than I do. If they want to continue this crap they have to fund it themself! F*ck all you socialists!

"Southerners often have child-like obsessions with guns"

Add me to your list. I have a right to protect myself and family from violent crime. A Police officer is aways 20 minutes away when you need him in less than 2 minutes.  Because of the socialist agenda, the US is going bankrupt and is going to morph in to a very high violent crime society and more and more business fail more tax dollars are needed to pay the interest on the debt. Local gov't are already cutting back on thier police forces and because of the poor economy people without jobs will be forces to take extreme measures to survive.

If you think the North is so great and guns are evil, please move to downtown Detriot or Chicago and wear something flashy. Be sure not to arm yourself! Put your money wear your mouth is!

 

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 17:47 | Link to Comment 401K of Dooom
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Hmmm you sound like you live in Massachusetts, read the Boston Herald and listen to Howie Carr on WRKO.  Good for you.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Keloid
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Don't hear much about Southerners movin' up north these days. Actions speak louder than words.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:38 | Link to Comment CH1
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one of the biggest factors contributing to the "decline of America" is the stupid South

Arguing about IQ is a deviation from things that matter. Nice try.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:16 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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OTOH most American oil comes from the South.

Pretty much nothing else matters.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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You make the common mistake of equating Southerners with White rednecks.  You forget that 'the South' has the highest proportion of blacks in the country.  Most of the social pathologies aqssociated with the region derive from this demographic.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:03 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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GDP is a bullshit measure of economic health because things like deficit spending and building empty cities increases GDP. China and the U.S. can hit whatever GDP target they want.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:37 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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GDP measures both and the regular kind of investment without discrimination, and make work and the regular kind of work without any value judgement.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:23 | Link to Comment Newsboy
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Forget "relative decline".

Try 1/8 the fuel to use per capita.

That's how Cuba flies since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Americans use way more than twice that much per capita on FOOD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUWces5TkCA

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:15 | Link to Comment tvdog
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In Cuba most people eat nothing but rice, beans, and sugarcane.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 12:40 | Link to Comment pacboot
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I knew it would come to this.  We're all just a bunch of stooopid roundeyes. 

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:26 | Link to Comment akak
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The monoextremum of unicity you exhibit in your duplicitous US 'american' monolizing of the downvoting means is just part and package of the typical parangong of US Indo-European 'american' eternal blobbing-up nature to the limit and moreso.  That is very much that, also extremely something, less even.

But hey, when US 'american' citizenism water is spilling over the dam, no use crying over the shoe on the other foot.  Just have to bear with it.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:38 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Sponsored by Boris Alotovcrap.  You should take a meeting with him,  He makes more sense than that.

Still, up arrow, because this is what happens to your brain when you go completely batshit crazy.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:43 | Link to Comment logicalman
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Batshit crazy is the only rasonable response to the world we live in.

I'm all for it.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:08 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Quite a hard fact to admit for US 'american' citizens who throat the idea they favor tales over reality. That is the reason why Indo-Antarcticopeans want to blob.

The veil of illusion is too thin by now. Better to realize it and not come with propaganda that could have worked in 1066, but no longer now.

If it is what it takes to admit certain obvious facts, then somehow it is a thing. Even though, straightlier, it is something beyond the reach of your typical US 'american' citizenry.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:51 | Link to Comment akak
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Ah, more US 'american' blameshifting, scrapegoatery, kicking of cans, forcing blame to the exterior, robbing Indians of land for trinkets.  Same old song and dance number, same US 'american' inability to self-indict.  Best yet.

But hey, when the US 'american' citizenism citizen looks in the mirror, who is staring back at him?  Only he can say, but don't expect him to.

Welcome to the US 'american' world, it's a cozy place for #1.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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Well said.

China is country full of farmers scraping out a living.  The US spends more on its military than the next 10 countries in the world... COMBINED!  China can build as many aircraft carriers as it wants, it just won't ever matter.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:18 | Link to Comment tvdog
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America wastes more money on weapons that don't work than any other country. Money spent does not equal effectiveness.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 12:44 | Link to Comment pacboot
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Chinese army VS the NYPD.  Who wins?  Da Bears!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 18:23 | Link to Comment 401K of Dooom
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We spendmore money on air conditioning and EEO projects that other nations.  Have you seen the procurement budget?  Good old Bobby Gates, the squealer, cut away all of our new weapon projects.  So how will we protect our selves?  Oh and when you say we spend more than the next tennations on defense combined, how do you come to that conclusion?  By aggregate sum or exchange rate?  You should tell people the portion of GDP and aggregate amount of money that those nations spend.  Oh and one more thing,  how much money do we spend on foreign aid?

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:55 | Link to Comment ManWithaPlan
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What else are you suppose to do at the top?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:39 | Link to Comment lasvegaspersona
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well...said...i think..

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:44 | Link to Comment akak
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The wellness of my saying of it is the mettle of US 'american' duplicity in offuscating their monolizing of the consumption means.  Blobbing-up as a way of live, ah, that is the 'american' way, baseball and apples in the pie.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:24 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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+1

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:07 | Link to Comment OC Sure
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No doubt! Does Kenny not know that the battle for freedom in the USA is not our relativity to China or any other current nation?

The battle for freedom in any current nation is their status relative to the United States Republic of 200+ years ago.

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:24 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Kerry lived in a sexual freedom bubble time, when the antibiotics could cure the side effects. Their passion for abortion is an artifact of that. It's the guarantee of a woman's freedom to get her cooze fucked bareback by men she doesn't want to have kids with, and who like it better bareback. That's the value system of the movements Kerry got his political start in.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 18:25 | Link to Comment 401K of Dooom
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Do not forget that the state he used to represent in the Senate is actually an independent nation.  Massachusetts only remains in the US so it can grab as much money from us. 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:32 | Link to Comment takeaction
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You can panic on over here to this deal.  $185 Delivered.  This is a true investment...
 http://www.ammoman.com/223-556

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:36 | Link to Comment Dixie Rect
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Reading these comments is like a bad acid trip flashback.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:22 | Link to Comment Jannn
Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Tom_333
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Let´s check with Goldman Sachs and JPM so we can find out what´s gonna happen. If it´s a positive profit and loss for that conflict...then we have a problem. If not - who cares what the trolls write on the web.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 19:06 | Link to Comment TheGardener
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Keep calm, the US is who thought steering up the China beehive was a good idea to start with.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:16 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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"Still, on balance, the U.S. has been a positive force in the world, especially for a unipolar power. Certainly, it’s hard to imagine many other countries acting as benignly if they possessed the amount of relative power America had at the end of the Cold War."

"A unipolar system, for all its limitations, is uniquely suited for organizing effective global action on these transnational issues. ...The rise of China and potentially other powers will create a new bipolar or multipolar order. This, in turn, will make solving these transnational issues much more difficult"

there's a reason propaganda and crap internally rhymne

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:11 | Link to Comment i_call_you_my_base
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Anything ever said following "on balance" is lies.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:56 | Link to Comment rehypothecator
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"On balanace, I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."  

"I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky, on a seasonally-adjusted basis."  

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:06 | Link to Comment odatruf
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According to the BLS, I did not....

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 06:57 | Link to Comment prains
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 it’s hard to imagine many other countries acting as benignly if they possessed the amount of relative power America

 

not so sure strip mining the global environment, trying to corner the global financial markets with over the top prop bets, starting false and/or simultaneous proxy wars around the world resulting in the murder, destruction and general mayhem for millions of people generally brown in skin and most certainly NOT christian or white qualifies as benign

but hey.......who's really counting anyway, history is written by the victors, benign ass raping goes to the losers, right?????????

 

read the book called "Kill Anything That Moves", just one small example of the atrocities americans have exacted on populations around the world for their own benefit under the guise of "freedom". ALL prefectly verifiable in it's own military documents, "investigating" these crimes.......interesting real perspective for ALL the believers in..... Benign Benevolence......

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:10 | Link to Comment the0ther
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Since we got all the nukes I'd say no. OTOH maybe yes for the very same reason.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:19 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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I was asking my father who worked around nukes for the B52s back in the day, if they were ever concered about being around all the hot uranium.  He said, "No, not really.  They told us everything was safe..."

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:38 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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Pu239 pits don't actually emit that much radiation.  The stuff is so dense that it absorbs most of what it puts.  I would surmise that a U235 pit is the same way just due to the nature of how nuclear weapons work.  I have heard that you can hold one and it will feel warm through the glove because of it absorbing the products from the nuclear decay.  Now, having some of that stuff inside your body can be very, very bad news.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:16 | Link to Comment the0ther
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I think wiki says most poisonous substance on earth. One atom in your lungs 100% cancer. 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 03:35 | Link to Comment mt paul
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that must be the reason

 

they don't make

plutonium flavored popsicles.... 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 04:00 | Link to Comment prmths2
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That is incorrect. From Wikipedia:

"The U.S. Department of Energy estimates that the lifetime cancer risk from inhaling 5,000 plutonium particles, each about 3 µm wide, to be 1% over the background U.S. average."

Consider that the human body experiences about 20,000 beta decay events per second due to potassium-40 (~86%), carbon-14(~14%) and tritium (<1%). Carbon-14 is the interesting case since it is an integral part of DNA with more complex decay damage than tritium. This has led to the development of low radiocarbon food: http://radiocarb.com/company/products.shtml.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 03:39 | Link to Comment prmths2
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You are correct. Luis Walter Alvarez held the nickel-plated core of the Fat Man bomb in his hand while on Tinian and commented on its warmth. Thomas Farrell also described its warmth when held. U235 has a half-life of about 70 million years, so if the mass is sub-critical it won't produce much radiation. For comparison, Plutonium has a half-life of about 24,000 years and the radium that was used in luminous watch dials has a half-life of about 1600 years.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 10:38 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Has anyone mentioned the very harmful neutron emissions of Pu 240?! The pit of the Gadget-device as well as of Fat-man contained supergrade Pu 239. Such extreme sheer Pu is not used today, only exception being those weapons that are kept in close proximity to people (like the W80-0). The Pu 240 can decay through spontaneous fission, thereby producing harmful fission products which add up over time. (That's also why the pits of nuclear weapons have to be maintained over time.)

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:16 | Link to Comment Alethian
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Panic? No. Prep? Yes.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment ramacers
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shed the old blood.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment the0ther
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GDP is largely a sham anyway. Counting medical procedures and drugs for cancer on the positive side of the ledger. Get bent.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 10:44 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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US #1 export... WEAPONRY.

Soon we will use, lose, and abuse these towards our, US, demise.

Guaranteed.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:40 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Boob jobs, labiaplasty. You're surely putting those on the plus side no? People want those. I'm gonna say people with cancer want cancer drugs for the most part, also. Families like pretty caskets for their dead loved ones, that go in the ground. Weddings. People like those big parties. They do it voluntarily.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:23 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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For example, he notes that the dollar may no longer be the world’s reserve currency, but “businesses in the rest of the world still manage to export, even though they must go through the trouble of exchanging currencies.”

Kenney, you are an asshole.  Losing world reserve currency status means that we will not be able to print money in order to buy oil, which is a mucho fucking importanto resource for our economy.  It also means that foriegners will not have as much of a reason to hold dollars and dollar denominated assets.  Now, would you mind telling me again what it means when they come flooding back? 

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:27 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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STOP RIGHT THERE

CHINA, RUSSIA, and JAPAN have said "WE don't want reserve currency status"

Only the USA wants it, and the USA has killed 100Million people since 1910 to get it.

*

The USA will not lose the status, the PLAN by china, russia, and Japan is to let the reserve status go to the IMF-SDR, but the USA remains the policeman to enforce the MAFIA to use that 'reserve currency', the USA will be the ARMY and the PRISON to enforce the currency.

Study 'reserve currency paradox' on wiki,

You will see that any country that becomes reserve-currency MUST

1.) export jobs

2.) kill its citizens

3.) murder the world

Only white assholes in the USA ever wanted this kind of power to print infinite FIAT, but with that power comes destruction of your country.

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:13 | Link to Comment i_call_you_my_base
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Your Great Delusion is bottomless.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:47 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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and the USA has killed 100Million people since 1910 to get it.

 

You sure you're not thinking about Stalin or Mao?

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:17 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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  GetZeeGold

 

Stalin and Mao did far more controlling through exermination; BLATANTLY.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:42 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Government organized famine is a favorite of such psychopaths.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:01 | Link to Comment edotabin
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oh no...... Paul Revere is back with the latest announcement.....

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:13 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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  satoshi101

 

Jesus !

Did you perchance forget the Mother country of the US; England.

Show me the difference.

Like Mother, like Daughter.

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Iwanttoknow
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Kenny is like the same fuckers who told us that giving up manufacturing jobs are good for us.Losing the reseve currency status is catatrophic,pehaps less for us plebes than the 0.1%.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:22 | Link to Comment Omegaman2211
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Wait, weren't we just being told here the other day that China was on the verge of collapse?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:28 | Link to Comment therevolutionwas
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Today, actually

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Omegaman2211
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Shit, it's all a blur.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:36 | Link to Comment edotabin
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Too much destruction porn can have that effect

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:24 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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There is a MORE important POINT That your all fucking missing.

The CHINESE have middle class thats BOOMING

THE USA middle class has been destroyed

The USA ain't coming back, and there is nothing left to fight for.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:34 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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China is in far worse shape than many on ZH or elsewhere acknowledge, for whatever reason, on both an absolute and relative basis.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:44 | Link to Comment jwoop66
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Ha! I know.  Funny how two years ago china was gonna take over the world.  Just like Japan in the eighties. 

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:57 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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Your all right, but all totally wrong.

It's not that china is going up, or that japan was going to rule the world theory-z) 1980's, its that the USA is plummeting into a hellish toilet bowl.

IT's all relative.

But mostly its cuz the CHINESE middle class is booming, and the USA killed off its middle class.

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 05:20 | Link to Comment prains
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shaving those farm fresh pigs in Bing Bong Pow Province is really starting to pay off!!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:36 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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The CHINESE have middle class thats BOOMING

 

Offset by record numbers committing suicide.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 13:47 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Or mainly just dying off really fast. The clock started ticking with the One Child Policy many decades ago.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:00 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Exactly. No doubt America will recover faster and first from the coming collapse. China has 800 million poor. Good luck with that.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:19 | Link to Comment the0ther
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Our fiat is backed by guns just ask Krugman!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 07:21 | Link to Comment mt paul
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our poor

can beat up their poor ..?

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 03:41 | Link to Comment suteibu
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The power goes out in China, they light a candle.  The power goes out in the US and riots and looting break out.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 05:22 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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When, not if, things "become interesting" this will be a very important factor - and will be a very educational contrast between those who have been "accustomed to only the best", and those who have always been accustomed to the need for self reliance, and the need for delayed gratification.

Purely on the observed basis of the recent problems with the EBT System, "when it all goes dark, it'll be truly Biblical" - for some at least.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:08 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The Chinese peasant is accustomed to tyranny down to the level of policing and punishing your fertility, down to the poorest backwater.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:42 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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JLee2027,

 

 

Just who "recovered" most quickly after the west paper dominance tanked in 2008?

 

HHHmmmm.... HHmmmmm....

 

CHINA. Due to global domination of manufacturing.

US continues collapsing, has NOT recoverd yet, and shall not, guaranteed.

Get off the meds.

US, MINUS military manufacturing and exports; USA not #1, USA not #1, USA not #1!

 

 

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:34 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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TruthInSunshine,

 

I agree.

China may be in a precarious position.

China has manufacturing.

WW2 losers were rebuilt by the victor. Oligarch pay off.

Within 30 yrs, the losers were outperforming US's industrial revolution dated manufacturing technology.

China will not need a rebuild, only a continuation of emerging/developing markets.

Such will occur, mirroring the collapse of the Britich Empire.

US with 314 million sheeple in debt, absence of manufacturing, and #1 debtor govt;   F*&^ked.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:17 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The British chose their decline at the ballot box. Nanny state stupidity.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 06:48 | Link to Comment gwar5
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A little perspective there, Grasshopper....

 

Right now 1 million Chinese every month are working their way into the middle class. That's fantastic. But it will take 1000 months, or, about the year 2100 A.D. at that rate, before they will be on par with current poverty rates of the developed countries. 

 

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:24 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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America has been in decline on most fronts for a few decades now. The smart people panicked ten years ago.......

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:29 | Link to Comment satoshi101
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Barlette & Steele 1988 "America what went wrong"

In the 1980's private pension cash was looted and replaced with worthless IOU's.

In the 1990's most rich, bought chalets in europe,... Smart rich bailed the USA prior to Y2K.

Today the only people who remain  in the USA are the working poor, or the welfare ho's.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:01 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Says the troll from where? Canada? A Pacific Island? Bumfuck Egypt?

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:03 | Link to Comment edotabin
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IIRC he is a "USA person living in rural China"

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:04 | Link to Comment YuShun
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Yes, ten years ago - 2004 - when they destroyed the candidacy of Howard Dean,
and counted the votes so that Trifecta man was reelected.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:40 | Link to Comment Eahudimac
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Fuck Howard Dean. Fuck Bush for that matter. They both suck balls.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:53 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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"Yes, ten years ago - 2004 - when they destroyed the candidacy of Howard Dean"

Howard Dean...? My dog is smarter than you..., or Howard Dean!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 11:44 | Link to Comment SilverDOG
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A Lunatic,

 

Thank you.

... and are continued to be called LUNATICS.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:29 | Link to Comment jwoop66
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Hold the fuck on, Tylers.   Just this morning didn't you say china was goin to war with japan?!  

 

Are they gonna out GDP us or are they gonna slug it out with the japs?

 

I can't take it anymore!   dammit...

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:29 | Link to Comment jwoop66
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I need a drink.

 

got one...

 

I'm good.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 23:35 | Link to Comment jwoop66
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Oh shit, I said japs.   thats racist.

 

How come when you call a british person a brit its fine, but when you call a japanese person a jap its racist?    

 

Just got another drink.  I'm ok.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:38 | Link to Comment Eahudimac
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Only on MSNBC. The rest of us don't give a fuck.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 14:19 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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NPR and PBS were well ahead of them.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:06 | Link to Comment Freddie
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After reading about what the Japs did in Asia before Pearl Harbor - they deserve to be called Japs. I am not talking about just Nanking.  They did that all through Asia.  They stole all the gold, money, jewels and killed probably millions all over Asia. 

Guess who supposedly ended up with that loot?  Those alphabet agencies who are controlled by the banksters.  David Rockefeller was in the OSS in WW2.  Dulles, Kissenger, Brezenski were all of his pals.  The Japanese emperor got to keep some of it to use for rebuilding.

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