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China Strikes Back: "Happy To Review World History" With Japan
On the heels of Shinzo Abe's seeming hyprocrisy in Davos, commenting that "if peace and stability were shaken in Asia, the knock-on effect for the entire world would be enormous," while he raises military budget, antagonizes China, and inflames the militaristic fervor in his own nation with war-crime shrine visits, the Chinese have struck back specifically at Abe's comparison of China and Japan's present tensions to Germany and Britain's in 1914... Foreign Minister Wang Yi - writing from the Chinese Embassy in the US, warned:
- *CHINA'S WANG CALLS ABE'S STATEMENT ON WW1 'ANACHRONISTIC'
- *CHINA HAPPY TO REVIEW WORLD HISTORY WITH ABE: WANG YI
- *CHINA WANTS ABE TO RETHINK OWN COMMENTS, ACTIONS: WANG YI
Adding that, as we warned last night (and described in great detail here), China and the US need to show mutual respect and avoid conflict and confrontation on the matter of Japan.
Yi warns...
- *CHINA SAYS ABE 'SHOULDN'T GO DOWN WRONG PATH': WANG YI
- *JAPAN REFUSES TO ADMIT THERE'S DISPUTE OVER ISLANDS: WANG YI
- *CHINA WILL NEVER ALLOW FASCIST, MILITARIST IDEAS TO REVIVE: FM
- *CHINA TO RESOLVE DISPUTES THROUGH DIALOG: WANG YI
Abe stokes the fire further with comparisons to WW1 at Davos... (via NY Times)
Historians and columnists have made comparisons between Britain and a rising Germany in 1914 and the current tensions between Japan and China; a hot topic at the start of the centenary year of World War I.
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan, in his appearance Wednesday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, raised the bar when he agreed with the thesis, saying that he saw a “similar situation” between now and then.
During a discussion with journalists, Mr. Abe said that the strong trade relations between Germany and Britain in 1914 were not unlike the economic interdependence today between Japan and China.
In 1914, economic self-interest failed to put a brake on the strategic rivalry that led to the outbreak of war, Mr. Abe said. He criticized the annual double-digit growth in China’s defense budget, calling it a source of instability in the Pacific region, an implicit comparison to Germany’s rapid build-up of arms before World War I.
And China responds...
Wang Yi: Promote the Settlement of Hot-Spot Issues in the Chinese Way
On January 22, 2014, Foreign Minister Wang Yi, at attendance to the Geneva II Conference on the Syrian issue in Montreux, Switzerland, talked to media about promoting the settlement of hot-spot issues in the "Chinese Way".
Wang Yi said, as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, China shoulders responsibilities and obligations in maintaining world peace and stability, and is willing to play a constructive and responsible role in resolving regional hot spot issues. China has always adhered to the following principles in promoting the settlement of the Syrian issue and other hot-spot issues:
First, to firmly uphold the tenet of the UN Charter and the basic norms governing international relations, especially the principle of noninterference in internal affairs.
Second, to insist on promoting the settlement of the regional hot-spot issues under the framework of the UN, including on the basis of the relevant UN resolutions.
Third, to insist on resolving disputes through peaceful means. We oppose the use of force, and disapprove the overturning of legitimate government through illegal approach.
Fourth, to decide China's position based on the rights and wrongs of things themselves, uphold justice, be objective and balanced, and never take advantage of the hot-spot issues for self interest.
Fifth, to respect the will of the people concerned, and try to guide for settlement acceptable to all parties involved.
The practice of China has its own characteristics. We care more about sustainability, doing things step by step, and fundamentally resolving problems.
This can be called the "Chinese way".
And indeed - as we warned last night - it seems rhetoric has reached the US...
- *CHINA, U.S. NEED TO SHOW MUTUAL RESPECT, COOPERATE
- *CHINA, U.S. NEED TO AVOID CONFLICT, CONFRONTATION
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China is right, and history proves them so.
But they are missing a key point. That is not what starts wars.
You need fools like Abe for that.
Fifth, to respect the will of the people concerned, and try to guide for settlement acceptable to all parties involved.
now... respect the "will of the people part"...
what was your point again?
China's Wang?
lol
Remember Nanjing......China would love some payback.
CHINA HAPPY TO REVIEW WORLD HISTORY WITH ABE: WANG YI
Holy effin' shit. Called out.
It's a pretty good puppet show isn't it? If TPTB could get these two into a war and suck India in as well, they could get the world's population back down to something more managable in a hurry.
hedge accordingly.
Not forgetting the mountains of money that could be made by selling weapons to the belligerents.
Yeah, unbelievable that Abe keeps scratching that old festering wound, knowing what pus would ooze out. Japenese schools still portray Japan as the innocent victim in WWII, lol.
Everybody is wang chung tonight!
Just as funny as America's BUSH!
Seems as if China is growing a pair, whereas America seems to be becoming a bunch of vaginas.
Tibet?
Bunch of useless Natering about nothing. Chinese people have no culture, it's every man for himself in an overpopulated human sea of pollution and repression. Japanese people have class, probably too much of it for their own good as the governments of the world destroy the earth.
None of this matters, Human extinction is guaranteed by 2047, read some climate science.
if china wants new territory they should roll on north korea. don't think anyone cares about that pos.
Apparently one person does.
3 now. lulz
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China is already raping North Korea of all it's natural resources, and turning it into a paria that is less and less Korean. The South does not even seem to care of re-unification anymore.
China has plenty of demons in their closet, but some things they are right about, historically, like many of those islands taken away from them after WWII.
NKorea is the ultimate pawn, nothing else. China just uses it to extort concessions from the West, always has, and always will. The Nuke NKorea card trumps all. All these little disputes over uninhabited islands are just the dress rehearsal for the big fight coming later. Taiwan is the prize, and China will use NKorea nukes as the bargaining chip. Ratchet up the NKorea Nuke issue until the West is ready to strike, then China swoops in and says "We fix it, for price.... give us Taiwan." 0zer0 says "Where do I sign?" China benefitted exponentially from getting Hong Kong from the British. It is banking on the same thing with Taiwan. NKorea is the leverage to pull it off.
NKorea is the ultimate pawn, nothing else. China just uses it to extort concessions from the West, always has, and always will. The Nuke NKorea card trumps all. All these little disputes over uninhabited islands are just the dress rehearsal for the big fight coming later. Taiwan is the prize, and China will use NKorea nukes as the bargaining chip. Ratchet up the NKorea Nuke issue until the West is ready to strike, then China swoops in and says "We fix it, for price.... give us Taiwan." 0zer0 says "Where do I sign?" China benefitted exponentially from getting Hong Kong from the British. It is banking on the same thing with Taiwan. NKorea is the leverage to pull it off. Then rinse and repeat for the next conquest.
"Vietnam must be taught a lesson." 1979. And apparently so must all the rest of us.
I agree..."very dangerous." Japan might just take them up on the offer.
It looks to me like both China and Japan could benefit substantially from
1) population reduction
2) a distraction from the current state of their economies
which a good ole war would help immensely to achieve.
It also seems to me that the US is picking the losing side to support.
Which will be more than fun.
But -- what do I know ... I'm just a lowly contrarian ....
and he who wins gets a island!
Good call on the population reduction. There are a whole lot of people in that relatively small part of the world. An major clash there will see millions dead.
Then we have the question of a fukushima irradiated island of Japan. It might not be China as the only country in that conflict that needs new territory for its people.
The final concern for the average American Land Whale is the possibility of an impeded flow of plastic trinkets to Walmart as the war may affect the manufacture or delivery of trashy products across the ocean. That in itself may get the war drums beating in the US from the rather large retard majority.
WalMart, getting so that only the H1Bs are buying at WalMart any more.
Once the magic card runs out, the buying stops...
"It looks to me like both China and Japan could benefit substantially from
1) population reduction"
Agree- think about it demographically - The chinese testosterone to estrogen ratio is about 6:1, and a large number of those men wear military uniforms...
Meanwhile, Japan is playing the "We can act tough because the US has our back" card. Seems the Japanese were front-row students at the Isreali school of Tough-Guy behavior.
Fuck Japan - the only thing they offer the US is dirt upon which to build military bases, but we can get equivalent dirt cheaper from the Phillipines.
Let Japan poke China with a stick until China finally gets pissed and mows them over. With any luck, the Chinese will pull North Korea into it, and the Japanese will pull South Korea in, and the entire orient will implode...
The only two countries who need to stay out of it are the US and Russia, and the wole thing will be done and over in a couple years, and the result will be more Asian land distributed among fewer Asian people...
The whole thing is excerpted right out of the UN Agenda 21 manifesto
You might be right.
Actually if the USA manages to stay out of it (not likely). We would be in the same position as we were post WW2.
If the U.S. stays out completely, China will emerge as a victor, controlling the whole South China Sea and a few rocks here and there. After beating Japan, China has a huge leverage on Taiwan, not to mention Philippines and Vietnam. The Japanese will drift away from the U.S., because those U.S. forces in Okinawa weren't any good. A humiliated Japan will turn itself into a war machine, not unlike Germany after the 1st WW. Not much room anymore for the U.S. in that scenario, if the U.S. loses Japan. China won't allow any U.S. meddling in its sphere of influence, which then comprises most of East Asian countries. The U.S. 'Pivot to Asia' becomes 'Pivot to Australia'.
"China won't allow any U.S. meddling in its sphere of influence, which then comprises most of East Asian countries. The U.S. 'Pivot to Asia' becomes 'Pivot to Australia'."
China will ALWAYS allow US meddling within it sphere of influence -
Don't forget that 100% of the "innovation" coming out of China is actually stamped "made in the USA" or "Made in Russia"
cut off those intellectual property supply lines, and China would very rapidly descend into a "how do we fix all this stuff" mindset, as they concurrently suffocate in the smog spewing from their ever-increasing supply of coal driven power plants...
Wang and Shinzo Deathmatch: Now on Pey Pur Vu! Get ticket now!
Put these two in a room with a single knife and winner take all. Leave your people, and the rest of us, out of your dick, er Wang, swinging contest...
China Japan hostilities as excuse for US default.
I think the Chinese still might have a burr in their shoe over the nearly 20 million dead at the hands of the Japanese during WWII ...but I could be wrong.
20 million?
the idiot communists starved some 35-40 million from 1959-1961 .. that's why our parents grew up with the words "finish your dinner, there's someone starving in China"
there really were people starving.
Seriously, socialism/Central planning is DEATH and destruction ..
"The great Chinese famine was caused by social pressure, economic mismanagement, and radical changes in agriculture. Mao Zedong, chairman of the Chinese communist party, introduced drastic changes in farming which prohibited farm ownership."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
While this is true, I still have my grandfathers's photographs from WWII. He fought in the Pacific and liberated several Chinese islands from the Japanese. The Japanese were indeed ruthless. For example, they never took prisoners. All live Chinese were used for bayonet practice by fresh young recruits. The generals new that having these soldiers get blood on their hands quickly was important. Very disturbing.
I'm sure some jackwagon back then said something to the folks like, "if you like your bowl of rice, you can keep it." Probably touted their dicatorship with a policy of, "affordable food for all."
Funny thing... the burr in their shoe that Mao put there with his Red Guards just a few generations ago doesn't seem to be impairing them in the slightest.
"Funny thing... the burr in their shoe that Mao put there with his Red Guards just a few generations ago doesn't seem to be impairing them in the slightest."
Yeah, that's kinda like comparing the Civil War to the war in the Pacific during WWII. Ther is a HUGE difference between citizens of a country fighting among themselves and a foreign invader. Duh.
So basically this is a contest of stupidity between:
Island thinking and
Central planning thinking
Nice......
Japan is very splittist these days.
http://youtu.be/B5M7Uf9cOy8
Hello Kitty Vs. Jet Li?
Somebody open a window. Abe obviously is not getting enough oxygen.
I doubt very much this will be a "conventional war." Currency manipulation, cyberwarfare, angry mobs, some lynchings... most of the actual combat will take place out on the South China Sea. A Falkland Islands Redux for 21st Century sensibilities.
Both countries desperately need the distraction from their miserable domestic policies, both governments increasingly face legitimacy questions that only the dumb spectacle of bloodying eachothers noses can conceal.
Actually this one would probably go nuclear considering the amount of racial hatred and grudges on both sides.
You want to talk about bubbles? Here's the biggest bubble of them all: THE PEACE BUBBLE. Humanity wasn't meant to be this "liberal" and politically correct. The ridiculousness of this Western induced, banker-inflated peace bubble, is now straining at the seams; and when she finally blows....hello normal.
Bye-bye Globalization, bye-bye multi-culturalism, bye-bye Monopoly board....
The Indians stole your software dev job eh??
lulz! +1
I don't know about "peace bubbles" (plenty of continous wars going on), but I will say that one reason Nature is so successful is because there are real consequences for bad behavior and bad models. For the most part they are allowed to die off (Fail). Liberal policies in general don't allow failure and typically promote the wrong people. Just ask John Corzine...
"Plenty of continous wars going on." Hmm, any of them affected you (in any way other than price inflation)? No, we sleep soundly and comfortably.
I would argue that Nature simply is. There is no "success" any more than there is "bad behaviour." Failure IS natural. War and "bad" behavior, are as normal as $hit!
I maintain that we the West, are in a massive bubble of TBTF on every level! It's not just the bankers, and it's not just the politicians; for it is truly "We the people" who suck..okay, maybe we don't suck, but we are sure as hell lying our asses off to ourselves.
Push all the US bonds in the market and let the US Federal Reserve eat the debt already.
Need an army. No problem. Just pull back on liquidity and there will be lots of people avaliable. Gotta love a debt based economy.
China has 100 applicant for every 80 white collar jobs and 100 applicant for every 125 blue collar jobs.
oh come on i'm sick of those pussy talks, shut up and bomb each others now, not like i care about you anyway
Why does it look like Abe is warmongering constantly. Is the man really trying to tip toe Japan into ww3?