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It will be a long night in Kiev:


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Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:38 | 4364455 HedgeAccordingly
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Are markets increasily vulerable to cyber attack?

hmm with CNN yeterday.. market off today -

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:39 | 4364464 Say What Again
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Boris -- We need some inside commentary!

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:45 | 4364499 pods
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Can someone explain this to me?

These people are rioting to get into the EU?


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:51 | 4364523 hedgeless_horseman
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These people are rioting to get into the EU?

You do not understand the political capital invested in Europe.  You vastly underestimate what the Euro means for the Europeans, for the Euro area. -Mario

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:57 | 4364548 nope-1004
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Boris is look out window and see Santa Monica Blvd.  Boris is love Russia, but foot is firmly in US soil.

Either that or he loves to regularly post at 3am Moscow time.


Is this US foreign policy at work?  Are Al Qeada in the Ukraine now?  Start an uprising because Putin showed Obum his ass?


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:58 | 4364564 fonzannoon
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Boris is a Tyler.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:10 | 4364942 Apostate2
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I gave you a green. Just what I have been mulling.

The Durdens do like to have fun with us.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:38 | 4364840 The Heart
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"Is this US foreign policy at work?  Are Al Qeada in the Ukraine now?  Start an uprising because Putin showed Obum his ass?"




Al-CIA-duh hard at work spending YOUR US TAX DOLLARS for the euro.

Don't forget all the other tentacles of the other beastly intel-clubs of deceivers, and warmongering profiteers at large.


Sat, 01/25/2014 - 04:02 | 4365976 A Nanny Moose
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It's not about oil and gas?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:11 | 4364766 Leaf of Tree
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The best way for the Western Europeans that hate the EU, is to make them live in Eastern Europe for one year like the regular Romanian/Bulgarian/Ukranian.

After that experience they will fuckn love the EU, the jewish banksters, the CIA, the Pentagoons that provide and protect the Westernized urban consumerist life style.

Go live in Eastern Europe for a year with obly 7000 USD A fuckin year.


You guys in the West have no idea how good you have it.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:08 | 4365287 NZ Watcher
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I know of a lot in Kiev that are on half that (7000US$$) 300-350 per month in fact.

Then there is the other 15 - 20% that are ripping 1000x that amount from knowing the right people in the right place at the right time. Maybe their time has run its path - this would be good, but God help the retired and 300-350$ earners

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:54 | 4364538 debtor of last ...
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As soon as the NSA and/or DHS shows it's real face, you too want to take the boat to the insolvent but cultural paradise. These people lived under a Stasi-like regime for many years.

Do you know fear?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:57 | 4364557 hound dog vigilante
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"...These people are rioting to get into the EU?"

Not necessarily.  They are rioting to get away from russian influence and/or corruption.  And if that means moving towards europe, then I guess that is the lesser of two evils from a Ukrainian perspective...


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:15 | 4364604 scam_MERS
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" They are rioting to get away from russian influence and/or corruption.  And if that means moving towards europe, then I guess that is the lesser of two evils from a Ukrainian perspective..."

Almost my exact words yesterday in another thread, and I got lots of down arrows for it. Doesn't matter, this is the truth. Putie-poot lovers can suck it - Ukrainians have had enough of him.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:35 | 4365021 El Tuco
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Putin is finished. I have a feeling from what is going around atm that oil will be going to around 50 USD a barrel. Saudi's, America et al will be driving it down to economically collapse Russia. Sucks for the Russian people but Putin is a nobody. A fucking mafioso that stole the Presidency and stole billions more. What is he up to now 50 billion in personal wealth? How many Russians go hungry or drown in their cheap vodka because of this pig.

But what puzzles me the most is how so many Americans cheer for him here. Do you hate your politicians so much that you hate your own country. Do you think your life would be better under a gangster like Putin? Have you ever been to Russia and see the dispair outside of Moscow? People live like animals.

Why do you think Snowden wants out of there? The place is a fucking shithole unless your a mafioso and worth millions or billions. What really scares Putin now is whether the Ukrainians are successfully and throw out Yani boy (who spent time n prison for murdering someone). Because maybe that will give the Russian people the catalyst to get rid of that cocksucker Putin. He is a criminaland no better than a common thug.

Amazing that people here would kneel at his alter.... 

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:37 | 4365183 Pressfiretostart
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Nonsense. Its very simple Vladimir Putin is the greatest leader Russia has ever had.

After Gorbachev and the embarrassment of Yeltsin, Russia was on its knees, the Jewish Mafia ruled Moscow and no one paid taxes.

Foreign companies were frightened to do business in Moscow so they concentrated on stealing assets outside of Moscow - Oil, Gas in siberia etc.

Russia was so poor it could not feed its people or pay the wages of its army or afford the fuel to fly its planes.

Into all of this came Vladimir Putin. The mafia shrunk into the shadows the foreign companies handed back their plunder and Russia became strong once again. It is now safe to do business in Russia. It is now safe to walk the streets in Russia. Business men now pay their taxes and foreign companies pay a fair price for Russian resources.

So be careful of those who speak falsely of freedom - freedom from good men like Putin means freedom for gangsters and foreign companies that do not have Russian interests at heart. Vladimir Putin is Russian through and through, he would bleed for Russia.


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:49 | 4365231 123dobryden
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we all hope he will get a chance :)

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:19 | 4365862 Volkodav
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Agree  good post

most are ignorant to know where Russians existed before VV Putin administration...

"Who Lost Russia" Webster Tarpley  utube..I don't always agree with Tarpley, but he is better historian that most..

He tells from on the ground experience shortly after USSR collapse...

Now, from Putin Administration Russians have it better than ever and gaining...

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:59 | 4365434 NZ Watcher
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Been in Russia have you ??

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:28 | 4365870 Volkodav
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useless talkings....

El Tuco

you ever listen to yourself?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:11 | 4365297 NZ Watcher
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Big mistake

EU will generate 1Bill - going East will generate potentially 100Bill

Russia is their anchor and backbone - West would be going down a sess pit and coming back up covered in ponzzie shit

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:09 | 4365849 Volkodav
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I agree 

Russia has cash reserves

Russia does not spend money it does not have normally

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:02 | 4364569 john39
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Ukraine is caught in the middle of the fascist EU and Russia.   Some pro EU, some anti EU.... but one thing certainly, agitators to there to punish the government for spurning the EU's advances.   probably something along the lines of.... 'if we (EU) can't have you, then no one can".   

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:14 | 4364601 tony wilson
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kind of mi6,the mossad and the cia are using classic frank kitson british military  techniques.

concepts like pseudo gangs.

gangs and counter gangs.

simple deadly and very effective.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:19 | 4364787 Leaf of Tree
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But there is wide spread poverty in Eastern Europe. And  corruption.

A few "elite" politicians and secret services people live like kings while the majority are dirt poor.


An interesting experiment for you westerners would be to have a Street View from Google Maps of Romania/Bulgaria. Look at the roads, houses, and you will see what I'm talking about.


You in the West have no ideea how good you  have it.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:20 | 4365318 NZ Watcher
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Ukraine is not that bad - its our 2nd home for 3 months of the year from NZ

The village people (some still use horse and cart) like it that way - Kiev and other main centres look better (people that is) than here in NZ

It is however one big "Market' as my Ukraine wife puts it !!

Great place if you are a middle income earner from West to visit - live full time ?? Yea could do if had too, a lot worse places out there !!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:05 | 4365840 Volkodav
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ahh...I wondered how you have knowledge...

Yes, westerner has even $1500 month income live great...

most basics is cheaper...but will not be under eu brussels

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:23 | 4364636 Volkodav
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Witness on the ground tells most violent front of these speak Ukr dialect not used in Kyiv.

Most Kyiv speak Russian, especially in business

these assaulting Militia are mainly Lyov far western poles most not Ukrainian blood.

Also overheard german speaking rioters imported football hooligans

USAID and others finance and enable this....this is very organized and is known underwent training in Lyov




Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:38 | 4365035 El Tuco
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You're a fucking moron. STFU tu Kurvie Sin....

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:48 | 4365219 W74
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Sat, 01/25/2014 - 02:06 | 4365844 Volkodav
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yes Svoboda is strongest

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:16 | 4364781 SmittyinLA
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look what the US Occupy movement was demanding, the same bullshit backed by the same banker scumbags that need to be killed and looted.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:04 | 4365094 123dobryden
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yes and no


ukraine is devided, eastern part mostly rusians, western part ukrainian, current adn forever problem is they stand between two powers

russians' /well actualy not russians but putin and his oligarch/  interest is to directly profit from their vast resources, so he offered ukrainians oligarchs a deal...

europeans' /well actualy not the people, but few bankers and apparatchicks / interest is to also directly profit from their vast resources, so they also offered a deal...

yanukovic, ukrainian president, accepted russians offer, as it was more profitable for him and his clique...

those protesters think, if they cannot be free on their own, its better to be a slave of a west than slave of russians, and it makes sense if you live in a shity blocks of flat, making 150 eur a month, when the same folk accross the border in EU has 4x more, thats their mentality, that was mentality of all citizens from CEE when they joined few years ago...



Sun, 01/26/2014 - 19:35 | 4369398 naughtius maximus
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Yes they are all very envious of Cyprus and Greece, who wouldn't be?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:28 | 4364651 The Wisp
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I read a good Commentary from inside but i can't find the link. basically the Ukraine Journalist said : the Pro Euro  tag is western propaganda. the people are fighting against a Imminent dictatorship and crony  business cartel, and a secret police that are supporting the thugs

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:44 | 4364860 Volkodav
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What you read is western propaganda....

Ukrainian people are not fighting anyone...

Most of this is Lyov and far west, poles from what was Polish lands. Not Ukrainian blood.

witness says they speaking dialect not used in Kyiv

and also sppeaking German..cos many are imported football hooilgans and paid

Ukrainan families I know in Kyiv and area speak Russian, especially for business

All are opposed to this violence and protest...of course they work not troublemakers expect freepay

And they are thankful of Russian help.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:39 | 4365036 El Tuco
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Russian help? they can't even take the Chechens you fucking idiot.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:07 | 4365091 W74
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Take them out?  Are you proposing ethnic cleansing?

Aside from that Mountain people have always been stronger and tougher and possessing of more cohesive kinship ties than their lowlander counterparts. 

There's a reason the Kurds kicked Alexander's ass throughout his entire march through the territory (never gaining control over it) and why they are still around today (stateless on the world stage, but defacto in control over large swaths of their homeland anyway).

Would you rather fight a random sample of 1000 guys from Wyoming or a random sample of 1000 guys from Delaware (having comparable population sizes)?  The differences should be obvious.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:45 | 4365212 123dobryden
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mate, read the story of Nestor Makhno and his ukrainian unssurection army durring 1917-1922. he repeatedly beat white, red, austrian, german, bandits, republican and established free anarchist territory called makhnowscina in great part of what today is south-eastern ukraine....his army consisted only from peasants recruit a former soldiers from tzar army and his weapons were only those he was able to steal...yet he was victorious, at the end betrayed by comunists and attacked from behind he ended up in paris where he worked in renault factory...


so, its not only mountain people that are tough, ukrainian people has cossacks blood, its in them, they only have to wake up, Nestor Makhno did it

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:47 | 4365214 W74
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I'm familiar with it.  Indeed you are correct.  Where there is willpower and a desire to free oneself from oppressive statism....there's a way.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:45 | 4365372 El Tuco
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What I was implying was the Chechen's didn't deserve what happened to them.


Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:56 | 4365831 Volkodav
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Majority of Chechens are not problem...the extremists prey on them also rob, rape, extort,kidnap, slavery and other...

these are worst of society, as exist everywhere...only problem is Chechens by nature are more wild...

the worst are beasts...go there, they might castrate or skin you by little pieces... 

First Chechen war Yeltsin drunk mismanaged, bombed Grozny...killed as many Russian and Chechen civilians equal..

total cluster f...if sent the commanders he should have..they said one division would have cleansed the terrorists..

trouble was Yeltsin didn't trust these best...knew they were tired of his kissing up to west for his familys future..

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:27 | 4365002 villainvomit
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Yeah c'mon Boris !

Speciosus et jocosus est Boris.


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:40 | 4364480 max2205
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I can't go back to fucking calling a way

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:39 | 4364458 max2205
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Love the smell of chicken Kiev in the morning....

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:43 | 4364493 CrashisOptimistic
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Look at what we've come to . . . that we delight in this news.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:55 | 4364544 max2205
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I personally think that it is stupid...back to throwing rocks...that'll show them

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:39 | 4364466 QE49er
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Bring Back McMolotov

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:39 | 4364470 Gringo Viejo
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My clothes is on fire, and my boots is smokin',

I want change and I ain't jokin'!

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:40 | 4364472 One And Only
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Think about that next time you hear a politician trying to take away the right to bear arms. While at the moment the bullets may be rubber and the grenades are for stunning the escalation of force can quickly become real bullets and real grenades.

If you want your rocks you can keep your rocks.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:45 | 4364501 boogerbently
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....see Syria.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:47 | 4364508 CrashisOptimistic
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Bingo.  If you go to a riot without scoped firearms, you are club fodder.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:18 | 4364609 The Gooch
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Scopes are optional.




Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:22 | 4364633 August
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If you're on a neighboring roof-top, scoped rifles are indeed The Way.

If you're actually attending the riot, I'd personally go with an EoTech.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:51 | 4365709 Curiously_Crazy
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No offence, but with all the chest thumping over having guns it's not done you guys a snifter of good in any protests you've been involved in. Yeah great you have the right to bear arms - good for you - I'd like to as well, but it seems everyone over there would rather masturbate over them than actually use them in something that could produce change (I go back again to numerous protests in the US where the Police have acted brutally and no shock horror the guns never came out). All I'm hearing is talk.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 09:46 | 4366362 jerry_theking_lawler
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Because, once the 'guns come out' in America...its over with. It will be Civil War. Deep down Americans want the sytem to work itself out but all the while know it never will....just want to postpone the inevitable as long as possible.....why? becuase we do have our guns, we know that when the time comes we CAN rise up....

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:42 | 4364484 dirtyfiles
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do not underestimate Ukraine or another words do not fuck with Ukraine or...

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:41 | 4364486 SmackDaddy
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Is there any better way to say fuck you than with a molotov?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:21 | 4364981 bobert
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Will you go away please?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:42 | 4364487 Seasmoke
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Now that I know the history where Molotov cocktails started. Thanks ZeroHedge !!!

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:44 | 4364498 ebworthen
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Doesn't look good.

The police appear to be losing; which means the rubber could turn to lead.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:54 | 4364534 Harry Dong
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"Police free yulia tymoshenko and  join protesters..." what are the chances?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:17 | 4364610 scam_MERS
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"Police free yulia tymoshenko and  join protesters..." what are the chances?

Somewhere between zero and none, unfortunately.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:25 | 4365331 NZ Watcher
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If that happens - Good bye Ukraine

Welcome back "The Ukraine"


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:45 | 4364500 q99x2
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Goldman Sachs Vs. Putin

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:23 | 4364640 Kirk2NCC1701
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Yup.  Also... the US/EU prepping to upstage Sochi 2014 as media events.  The timing is not a coincidence. 

This is Obama's payback for Syria and Iran is Sochi Gayathlons and the Ukraine.  In the meantime, the 'Boa constriction' of the Russian Bear continues:  US Offense vs. Russian Defense.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:46 | 4364505 Dr. Engali
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Isn't it time for Oprah?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:56 | 4364552 negative rates
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nope, Only the Beverly Hillbillies can  calm a riot, they must not have gotten the memo.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:53 | 4364531 Dapper Dan
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The Ukraines are so wealthy they burn their home heating fuel in the street?

Art Cashin had some thoughts on what happened today on W/S

-- the difficulty is the possibility of contagion, and you're seeing a couple things. you saw the slowdown in china, the concern about their banking system, and we saw that spread through the copper and other commodity areas. now, today it's interesting. we are certainly getting a slam bang sell-off, but five stocks in the dow provide about 40% of the sell-off, and they are names like caterpillar and boeing and united technologies -- the high dollar stocks. they're not only the high dollar stocks, but this five are a group who do a lot of business with emerging markets. overseas, exactly.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:54 | 4364535 Billy Sol Estes
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Start hoarding grain Ukranians.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:26 | 4365340 NZ Watcher
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Don't be smart matey

These people will survive far better than any of us Western-ites !!!!


Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:39 | 4365805 Volkodav
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can't argue with that....

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:54 | 4364536 disabledvet
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I highly doubt the USA wants to get involved in a Civil War 12 years into Afghanistan and with a "deferral" in Syria.

This is not to say policy makers aren't still policy makers.

A lot of fluidity on that Chess Board all of sudden. I know this won't go over well in these here parts but I would add a zero at the end of the State Department's budget right now.

Sometimes negotiating is the answer as "events simply play themselves out."
Peace out ZH'ers et al...

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 17:58 | 4364541 gbresnahan
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I wish Americans protested like this.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:03 | 4364746 forwardho
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Pretty sure you have heard, be careful what you wish for.

By the time Murcans protest it will be due to lack of food, The bullets won't be rubber and it will be suppressed with extreme prejudice.

A starving mob is terrible to behold for they have nothing to loose.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:01 | 4364911 Leaf of Tree
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You. The Westerner.


- scared

- fat and lazy

- apathetic

- ignorant

- fan of XFactor

- brainwashed by the propaganda

- arrogant

- think you are not important to the elite and so they will not bother you

- ideologicaly impaired and still believe in the Right/Left divide

- plain dumb

- to politically correct to say what you think

- drugged up to high heaven to cope with the stress of urban westernized consumerist lifestyle

- suicidal and just don't care


Americans will not protest. See above.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:46 | 4365216 willwork4food
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Yes they will. It only takes 10% to make a turnover and 10% of us is more than the 2 billion rounds of hollow points they think they'll need. Because quite frankly, we have more, and we're sick of their shit.



Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:20 | 4365763 StychoKiller
Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:12 | 4364597 Kirk2NCC1701
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Clearly the US/EU banksters have a better Plan for a Gov_Putsch, than the Gov & (Russian) Friends have in containing and countering it.  IMHO, if it were me, I'd counter in a structured manner.  E.g.,

  1. Provide a formal Forum for having Legitimate Grievances presented, discussed and handled by a Bipartisan Team of Government Officials and Protest Officials
  2. Opposition/Protesters must present official Leaders to attend the Bipartisan Forum
  3. Joint Public Communiques shall be issued on a regular basis at first (first days and weeks), and on a periodic basis afterwards (in months to follow).  As part of the Communique, the Government will state why its decision to decline EU (and ensuing NATO) membership was not in the best national interest, per its legal rights and duties to the entire country.
  4. ALL protest must remain civil and of limited duration each day.  Eg. 9 AM - 9 PM.  No overnight stays at site permitted.
  5. All non-compliant and unruly protesters (throwing objects) shall be forcibly removed and possibly detained by the Law Enforcement Agencies. 
  6. If necessary, the Military and Military Curfews may be used, until such time as the LEAs are able to resume their lawful duties and function.
  7. The LEAs or Military may, at their discretion and best judgement (per available facts and information) declare a Protester as an Enemy of the State, i.e. as a Terrorist or Enemy Combatant.  Commensurate enforcement and judicial action shall be taken against such Persons.
  8. Foreign Intervention (foreign nationals and agents), acting as Bad Faith Actors or Agent Provocateurs shall be arrested and removed from the area, with potential legal charges being leveled against them.  No Diplomatic Immunity participants shall be allowed to participate in the Demonstrations/Protest.  If they do, they shall be physically removed, their status revoked as Persona Non Grata and be required to leave the country in short order.
Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:04 | 4364752 Leaf of Tree
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Is this how things will play out in the US?

The military declaring citizens as enemies of the state?

Do you realize what a moron hou are??

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:29 | 4364793 Kirk2NCC1701
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A Structured approach is rational because it allows to Contain, Manage and Resolve the matter.  Whether in the Ukraine or anywhere else.

Come back when you've got more than Peach-fuzz and something rational to say, junior.  Or shall I say "ZH member of 5 days"?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:14 | 4364606 Cornholiovanderbilt
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oh boy.  Which loving, caring, banksterbought politico will come riding in to the rescue with a "solution"?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:24 | 4364635 hangemhigh77
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And hopefully these beautiful people fighting these government pigs will win and do something truly revolutionary by installing NO FUCKING GOVERNMENT AT ALL!!! Live free my brothers.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:30 | 4365350 NZ Watcher
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Yea - dream on !!

It is no diff there than most places - just the corruption of Gvt officials etc is more transparent than what we see in the West etc.


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:25 | 4364643 hangemhigh77
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And when you're done with the pigs go
Get the politicians and bankers. BURN THE BANKS!!!! That's TRUE FREEDOM!!! No more war!!!!

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:44 | 4364697 Volkodav
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won't happen...

those are the ones behind this...

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:04 | 4364655 Hongcha
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And then they stand around and watch the gas fires burn and drink vodka and wait to get rolled over by the storm troopers.  Where's the organization, how do you gain something doing this.  This is just Romanticism and the PTB are laughing from their suite windows with mistresses in both arms.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:29 | 4364656 dirtyfiles
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rostlelat bolshevikow!!

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:36 | 4364675 The Wisp
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You will Notice that the Army is staying out of the Fighting, their sole role is to support the People, not the Government, that fact alone tells you something. America could only wish for something that Fair

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:01 | 4364935 Volkodav
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Fighting is not that big..militia given orders to remove, they are any democratic west they would be smashed already..

If pushed to wider conflict  and  Militia and military change sides is different expert thinks that is likely.

but some Ukrainian under orders of Orange fought with Georgians 08/08/08

i doubt they were from pro-russian regions.... 

Yuschenko helped arm georgia and some Ukrainian along with western advisors were there prior to outbreak of conflict.

lost some.....including one claimed and one confirmed Ukranian female snipers killed in Tskhinvali


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:33 | 4365360 NZ Watcher
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Yes - and Ukraine also supplied snipers into Libya.

They are always the Nationalist elite from West Ukraine

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:35 | 4365800 Volkodav
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OK  thanks for another confirms my research..I was suprised lowlife Ukraine oranges kiss hato azz sending women.

but one killed and confirmed,with also ossetian civilian witnesses...elsewhere other civilians tell of another 

but for Libya does it mean they work as mercs?

I was told in Ossetia, the Georgians tanks were equipped with more modern fire systems than Russians...provided by Ukraine.

Didn't seem to help them much though...


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:41 | 4364690 ArrestBobRubin
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Who is Behind the Ukrainian Riots? - New World Next Week


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:40 | 4364832 Kirk2NCC1701
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If I were Ukrainian or Russian leadership, I'd expect things to get worse:  Explosive.

I'd plan and mitigate accordingly, realizing that Al-CIA-dah never sleeps.  And that Bandar Bush is financing a good part of this, making good on his promises to Putin from some months ago.

p.s. Exxon, BP and Shell are getting a "stiff drill" also, with salubrious expectations of O-gushers.

How do you spell Pipeline Wars?  BTW, Pipeline Wars are part of Currency Wars, which are part of Total Wars of Full-Spectrum Domination.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:46 | 4364879 Volkodav
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Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:39 | 4365379 NZ Watcher
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Yes agree

And what a coincidence that is heated up somewhat whilst Geneva-ii was underway.

Russia will be told - keep Ukraine and loose Syria or stand to have risk of loosing both

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:40 | 4365202 Volkodav
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corbett is informative...but as far as the cell warnings..nothing proof where it sent from...

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:42 | 4364693 Fix It Again Timmy
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Relax, this is just a rehearsal for the opening ceremonies of the Sochi Winter games....

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:54 | 4364722 LibertarianMenace
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Can't we all just leave Ukraine alone?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 18:55 | 4364727 Leaf of Tree
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I'm from Romania. A neighbour of Ukraine.

I trully believe that the majority of Ukranians are against corruption.


People like you, the United Stateans, have no idea what Eastern European corruption is like. I will try next to paint a picture of it.


You go to a hospital. Doctors earn 300 euros a month. Rent is 300 euros a month. So doctors and nurses take bribes so you can skip some places in the que and be taken care of.


You want to open a small shop to sell Chinese/Turkish/etc. crapy products. You need a license. You have to bribe the guys working for the mayor office to obtain the license. Or you refuse to bribe and the licence will we granted after 6 months.


You need to renew you driver's licence. You need to bribe the police.

Police stop you for a road check. They will hit your stop lights and claim you were driving a malfunctioning car. You pay a fucking bribe just to get them off your back.


You need to take piss. For that you need to bribe someone.

That is life in Eastern Europe.


The fuckin soviets ruled Eastern Europe by first killing all intelectual elite, army officers, etc.. pre-second world war that existed in Romania, Poland, Ukraine, etc. 

Then they put in their place dumb moronic goons who were very good at one thing only: taking orders from Moscow. 

These semi-illiterates were very violent and corrupt. Of course the brains were all located in Moscow. After the fall of communism, the sons of these goons took the lead from their fathers. In some countries like Poland, Estonia, Czech Republic they showed restraint, were/are not that corrupt.

But in Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Belarus, Russia these fuckers are very corrupt.

At the fall of communism Romania's external debt was 0 dollars. Countries owed us money, like Iraq for example a good 3 billion USD. 

Now? Romania has an external debt of 100 billion USD!!

Where the fuck went all that money, because I cannot see it in the real economy. No infrastructure, factories were all bankrupted and sold on peanuts to Western "capitalists", salaries are very low, cost of life is very high compared to incomes, housing is very expensive.

I bet the situation is the same in Ukraine.


The protesters in Ukraine have all my respect for fighting against corruption and their corrupt state.

Especially these protesters


I do not know if the Ukranians want to join the EU. EU for Romania has done only one good thing: freedom of movement. All our gypsies are getting the fuck out of our country and moving to Londonistan, Milanstan, Berlinstan, Paristan, Amsterdamstan, Copenhagenstan. In general they are moving to Western European Sharia Law Caliphate. And we in Romania are happy with this.


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:22 | 4364786 Volkodav
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You realize you told under/after Soviets..there was no debt?

and after with improved Europe, now up to your ass in debt...but can't figure how that happen?

And you blame Russians currently...who lived under same depradations, but now rise?

Better take a look that Soviet is defunct.

It was never a Russian construct.

From 1917 thru Stalin was not Russians in control.

Even after Stalin, leaders were Ukrainian and "other" mostly

Russian Federation is now Russians for Russians...

About the gypsies, brussels probably want them where they can do most damage....

Other immigration the same, it is a take down of europe..


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:56 | 4364903 Leaf of Tree
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Look, I'm not gonna be a hypocrite.

There were good things about the Communist era. Education was good and free.Nobody studied "ecology and the rights of the patagonian mosquito" like today shitty social studies. People in Eastern Europe during Communist era were very good at Maths, Physics, Chemistry.

Crime was virtually inexistent, if you discount the abuses of the secret police.

Everyone had a job. Decent food. Free housing. For most part of the Communist eta, except the last 5 years after that bald fuck Gorbaciov declared his "Perestroika" "reform" when things started to get shitty.

But you the Russians need to acknowledge that you fucked up real good in Eastern Europe.

I'm gonna tell you a story about why Russians are viewed negatively in EE.

Romania, after the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact and the subsequent invasion of Poland by Germany, had to ally with Nazi Germany. Now we had in our country German soldiers.

They never stole shit from us, they never raped our wives, they payed for everything: food, drinksbks, hookers.


After the end of the WW2 we had for a couple of years in Romania Russian soldiers.

Their favourite expressions:

- davai woman

- davai food

- davai wine

- davai cow

- davai watch

- lots of fucking davai. Russian just took things. Raped women. Took watches and jewellery.

I'm afraid Russian are hated in Eastern Europe.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:39 | 4365029 Volkodav
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I will give you that..I agree most all you best in world all the way to hated Gorby..

but most stupid were there...same as stories of US military do in countries now

still no excuse...and I don't approve

...but was that under Stalin,  Fish rots from the head

I agree about Germans...for all the blames..very disciplined and more believable than Stalin Soviet sources...I did some search I have never found documented evidence of any rape by German soldier. I was told in personal conversation in 1980 by then old former SS Officer that result of commit rape on occupied citizens punishment was firing squad.

That was eye to eye and I felt the resolve in his voice.


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:52 | 4365061 Leaf of Tree
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I personally do not hate the Russians. Some elements of the Russian elite are too paranoid.

Russians are Orthodox about 50%

Romanians, Bulgarians, Serbs, Macedonians, Greeks, Ukranians, Georgians, Armenians are also mostly Orthodox.

I think that an Orthodox Christian alliance is needed because the fucking Western Zionist Satanical New World Order that is coming our way.

The Westerners are also fucked. Their material life is very good. Very comfortable.

But the White Man and Christians in the West are a dying race.

Eastern Europe is white and slavic, except for us Romanians half Latins half Slavic.

It's safe to say the EE is the last refuge of the white race and Christianity. We need to work out our differences and unite, because the fucking Zionists have a holocaust prepared for us.


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:37 | 4365144 Volkodav
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Agree good post... I see it same as you

Eastern Orthodox is only defender of the faith, as it is shaping up...other Christians passed their chance mildly

Europe wars should never should have been fought

but such was result of the master manipulators

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:07 | 4365077 Tinky
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This is a very interesting "on-the-ground" exchange. Thanks to both of you for your contributions, and please continue to do so when you have insights to add.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:53 | 4365416 NZ Watcher
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Good Post !!

You said "At the fall of communism Romania's external debt was 0 dollars" dose this not tell something ??

So why you attack Soviet/Kremlin for your problems ??

All FSU Countries are in same boat - raped by the fast and the influential etc. 100 years will hopefully balance/correct this. You can't expect to go through upheaval of early 90's without a long time frame of adjustments.

This protesting in Ukraine is understandable to me - BUT - it is only going to shift things back 5-10 years.'The next lot (klitchko etc) will do the same (loot and pillage)

I have business in Kiev and spend 3 mths per year there - the system you mention above is accurate. But in all honesty it works as long as you have a few $$ and play by their rules. They have a saying in Kiev (UKR) "if you have enough $$ you can have anything" - this is correct, but in all honesty its still cheaper and easier than here in NZ.

We have rules and duties and regulations that cost the earth just to build and improve property etc - a hell of a lot more expensive than the likes of Kiev processes etc

Get my point

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:02 | 4364750 SmittyinLA
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fuck those occupy EU Socialist banker puppets, their blood will make good fertilizer for the Ukraine's black soils. 

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:30 | 4364814 Volkodav
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Good post...

I found this:

A Presentation by Natalia Vitrenko   YouTube

Natalia Vitrenko...a lot of information here

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:43 | 4364852 Debugas
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Crimea (region of Ukrain voted to separate from Ukrain and join Russia

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:25 | 4365154 W74
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Vast majority ethnic Russians, also a vacation spot for the "Russian" (really jewish) Mafia resource thieves.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:55 | 4364896 Son of Captain Nemo
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Boy the U.S., Israeli, British, Saudi "House" won't let what happened in September with Syria go quietly will they?

Time for Putin to ante up in kind. 

I think all four of these guys need some fireworks in their own backyard to keep them busy for awhile!

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 19:58 | 4364905 The Heart
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Been watching this for the last week. It has ups and downs and there has already been a lot of people killed, and hurt

Is it another distraction from what is happening within the USA? There are many reports about heavy military movements and training going on all over the country now. It seems...the time of the crash may be getting closer?


Here is place to watch the ongoing Ukraine events at.:


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 20:15 | 4364961 hangemhigh77
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If you protesters are reading this get EVERYONE to where the cops store their weapons and rush the building. Get the weapons and use them against the cops.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:16 | 4365128 W74
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Seems like the Ukranians are getting ready to POGROM their bankerscum oligarchs.  So why aren't we doing that here in the US?

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:49 | 4365226 Volkodav
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Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:18 | 4365135 tony wilson
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my guess this is gonna escalate quick take it on to russia.

soros and bandar bush and the rothschilds a paedophile sect made in hell.

putin better batton down the hatches or come out fightin.

Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:39 | 4365320 Volkodav
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Thinking of what to expect.....

bandar is in us..


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 22:58 | 4365427 NZ Watcher
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Putin has been fighting and "winning" all 2013 and this year my friend !!

Wake up !!

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 01:22 | 4365775 Volkodav
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 I did some thinkings about this...

Putin is not gonna let  them have what they want...these are agent provocateurs...want a reaction

it is sure that media are primed and ready..


Fri, 01/24/2014 - 21:42 | 4365204 monad
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This is bogus. Now Putin must intervene with some real hard KGB love to 'stabilize' the situation and the phony opposition shills will provide cover, quacking about how it was justified and something had to be done.

Sat, 01/25/2014 - 00:36 | 4365681 The Wisp
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Take a few hits at the Olympics, move troops into Ukraine and gain some territory, plausible chess strategy

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