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Thai Anti-Government Protest Leader Killed

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As if emerging markets didn't have enough things to worry about following a week in which both the Turkish and Argentina currencies are in free fall, overnight we got a stark reminder from Thailand that the country where the 1997 Asian Crisis originated, is also on the brink and getting worse following news that a anti-government protest leader was shot and killed.

Reuters reports, citing a spokesman for the national police, that the dead man as Suthin Tharatin - one of the protest leaders- was shot in the head and in the chest.

He was killed when when violence erupted as demonstrators blocked early voting in many areas of the capital ahead of a disputed election next week. "It brings the death toll to 10, with scores wounded, since protesters took to the streets in November, vowing to shut down the capital and force Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra from office."

Still, in a world riddled with false flags attacks, it might be the case that provocateurs within the protesting group (potentially funded by a well-known destabilizing spy agency, usually abbreviated with three letters) were the ones who actually pulled the trigger. "It was not immediately clear who had fired the shots, but the protesters accused the government and police of trying to intimidate them. "The government has allowed thugs to use weapons," Akanat Promphan, a spokesman for the protesters, told reporters. Private gun ownership is widespread in the country."

Who may have fired the gun at this point is irrelevant; what matters is that not only will the Thai Baht continue to lose value in the coming days, and capital outflows will accelerate, but will add to doubts over whether the February 2 election can go ahead.

Yingluck called the February 2 election, hoping to cement her hold on power but the protests have continued and the Election Commission has been pushing to delay the vote. In a clear setback for Yingluck, a senior government official said that as many as 45 of the 50 polling stations set up in Bangkok for advanced voting had been shut because of anti-government protesters.


Chris Baker, a historian and Bangkok-based analyst, said the violence added pressure on Yingluck to delay the vote.


"It does weaken the government's position. The protesters will blame this on the government," said Baker. "With or without this incident the likelihood for violence was there already. I don't think it changes in the trajectory."


The protests are the latest eruption in a political conflict that has gripped Thailand for eight years and which is starting to hurt growth and investor confidence in Southeast Asia's second-largest economy.

At its core, the ongoing clashes in Thailand are merely yet another expression of the rich vs poor class conflict that the billionaires in Davos fixed once and for all last week:

The conflict broadly pits Bangkok's middle class and elite, and followers in the south, against mainly poor rural backers of Yingluck and her brother, ousted former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, in the populous north and northeast.

What the outcome of the Thailand escalations will be is still unknown, however in a globalized world that is more interconnected than ever, the inevitable plunge in the Thai economy is certain to have ripple effects across both other Asian economies and the rest of the world. And that is assuming the world's MIT-indoctrinated central planners manage to halt the capital outflows from Thailand before yet another Asian crisis rears its head 17 years after the last one.


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Sun, 01/26/2014 - 10:55 | 4368236 Jason T
Sun, 01/26/2014 - 10:55 | 4368238 Croesus
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His name was Suthin Tharatin

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:02 | 4368254 The Gooch
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His name was Suthin Tharatin.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:08 | 4368264 Wile-E-Coyote
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This is how revolutions start.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:45 | 4368320 KickIce
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And here I thought it was by taking away EBT cards or ESPN.

The closest we have come is the NFL replacement refs.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:39 | 4368510 General Decline
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"Who may have fired the gun at this point is irrelevant".


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:48 | 4368530 KickIce
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Kinda like neglecting to include the role banks play in wars.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:30 | 4368974 Keyser
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In case you guys missed it, the shit has officially hit the fan in Thailand, Argentina, Ukraine, Ireland, Manila, etc...  Some of the knock on effect of the US exporting it's inflation via QE and debasement. It only gets worse from here. 


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:18 | 4369073 silvermail
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US exporting not only inflation via QE and debasement.
US exporting terrorism via al-Qaeda and other radical groups around the world.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 00:52 | 4370293 BuddyEffed
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Will someone pay a small fine, with no admission of guilt?

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 15:01 | 4368731 Bunga Bunga
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Or when people are not getting propaganda deals anymore.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:59 | 4368347 Chupacabra-322
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Answer is simple. Protect yourself & start shooting back. Stop CONSENT (Black Laws Dictionary) to a system of debt bondage & enslavemnt.

Pack a gun & pay ABSOLUTELY NO TAX!

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:12 | 4368361 Bendromeda Strain
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Wait a second - I thought that protest movements agitate for early elections, the sooner the better if it is the will of the people.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:34 | 4368406 nmewn
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Yes, you noted that as well.

"The protesters, led by firebrand former premier Suthep Thaugsuban, accuse Yingluck of being Thaksin's puppet and want an unelected 'people's council" to oversee reform before any future election is held."

An "unelected peoples council" chosen by whom? oversee what reforms?...would be the next logical questions.

But hey, some guy was double tapped dammit, this is serious!

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:27 | 4368492 Anusocracy
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I sincerely doubt he was anti-government.

He was anti-ruling government.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 14:03 | 4368565 nmewn
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Looks that way...dug this up:

Gets a little sticky here when mixing "democracy" with a monarchy (IMHO) but this appears to be the gist of the strife, excuse the length:

"On 20 November 2013, the Constitutional Court ruled that: “…the draft amendment to the 2007 Constitution regarding election of the Senate is in conflict with the basic principles and intent underlying the Constitution, and violates Section 68, paragraph 1. If passed, the amendment would be tantamount to an acquisition of power to rule the country by means not in accordance with the modes provided for in the Constitution.” After the Constitutional Court’s decision was issued, the leader of the Pheu Thai Party, along with other ministers representing the cabinet, Speaker of the Parliament, Speaker of the Senate, and members of both houses involved in the passing of the proposed amendment, announced their rejection of the Constitutional Court’s ruling. The Prime Minister then proceeded to submit the draft amendment for royal endorsement despite the Constitutional Court’s findings that the draft violated the Constitution in both its substance and its parliamentary amendment procedure. These actions further violate the Constitution, Section 216, paragraph 5, which mandates that all Constitutional Court decisions are final and binds all institutions, including the Parliament, the Cabinet, the Courts, and other State organs.

In addition, on 9 December 2013, the Prime Minister announced the dissolution of parliament without having submitted a request for a royal decree even though Section 108, paragraph 1, of the Constitution prescribes that His Majesty the King has the prerogative to do so. Such an offensive transgression has never occurred in Thai history, and is made even more severe when coupled with the other constitutional breaches by her government."

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:24 | 4369090 silvermail
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He just wanted to rule the country alone - like Obama.
Sun, 01/26/2014 - 21:47 | 4369354 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It is a little bit more complicated than that. Suthep Thaugsuban has more personal reasons for wanting the current government out by leading the charge to stop elections in the first place and removed by 'unelected people's council' using the Constitution as cover.


The UK-born and Oxford-educated Democrat party leader (Abhisit Vejjajiva) was indicted along with his former deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban – who has been leading month-long protests against the current PM, Yingluck Shinawatra – for authorising the use of live ammunition against protesters and deploying snipers. The two deny the charges against them.


With that said Reuters is still being dishonest in how they present the information.

Here is the key piece from another article.

 Suthin Tharatin, a core leader of the People's Democratic Force to Overthrow Thaksinism (PEFOT), was shot dead with at least nine others injured in a clash with Red Shirt supporters near Sri Iam Temple in Bang Na district.

The clash occurred after Mr Suthin led a group of protesters to a polling station at Sri Iam Temple late Sunday morning to call on the director of the polling station to close down advance voting.


He wasn't registering a 3rd party for the upcoming election now  was he Satoshi101.


In a related development, People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) Akanat Promphan urged caretaker prime minister Yingluck Shinawatra and Centre for Maintaining Peace and Order (CMPO) to take responsibility for the deadly clash as well as all other disturbances near other polling stations today.


So how did Reuters be dishonest

They didn't tell you what group Suthin Tharatin belongs to. Then they make the implication that Suthep Thaugsuban is leading this group and in turn so are the PDRC when the average shmuck goes and looks up who Suthep Thaugsuban is to paint them all as anti-government when in reality the PDRC isn't anti-government just believe the current government is illegally in place as per the Constitution of the country.

But as we can see the real story is Thailand politics is like stygian soap opera with no clean shirts on either side Thaugsuban or Yingluck so Reuters ignores that and goes straight to the Marxist class warfare book calling it a battle between elites and poor (income inequality challenged) painting the elites along with middle class as anti-government which is all the MSM propaganda rage these days. Since they are spewing Marxist propaganda we know which side the US takes in this corrupt cage match. The MSM will be consistantly painting all conflicts by this meme regardless of who it is for the next year or at least until midterms are done and voted on.

When propaganda is pro-protestors they go out of the way to differentiate the groups when one is overly radical you know like Al Qaeda and the FSA in Syria for example. That is an important tell which side the propaganda mouthpieces are pushing.


Mon, 01/27/2014 - 07:10 | 4370634 nmewn
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Excellent sleuthing Dewey +1.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:08 | 4368270 CPL
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His name was Suthin Tharatin.  Those that did it, have no name anymore.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:06 | 4368263 satoshi101
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the real leader of the PDRC PARTY is

Suthep Thaugsuban

Why they're calling this minor player the 'leader' is very interesting


It's really sad that the MSM has gone to complete shit in terms of lies and misinformation, its expected that ZH would fuck a title, but this game is being played all over the world.

Why do they want it to appear that the 'leader' has died?

Read about this guy, if you care to learn the truth, its a good story, cuz its the last battle ground on earth for majority-rules democracy.

This guy, Suthep wants to BAN elections, because he hasn't won an election in 20 years.

He has dozens of henchmen ruling gang's everyday, and today one of his gang-leaders got shot, for blocking an election office, finally the normal people are starting to get pissed,

Asians tend to take shit in their own hands, they don't wait for the USA gubmint to do it for them, they do it themselves.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:11 | 4368272 LetThemEatRand
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The article and the title say he was one of the protest leaders, not the head guy.   

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:29 | 4368295 i-dog
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The [sensational] headline: "Thai Anti-Government Protest Leader Killed"

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:15 | 4368275 MsCreant
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English is the trick here.

A protest leader.

Not The Protest leader.

Not the equivalent of Osama Bin Laden...

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:51 | 4368329 KickIce
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Yeah, this guy was still alive when he was killed.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:55 | 4368338 MsCreant
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Now that's just funny.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:57 | 4368339 Misean
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That was particularly good!

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:19 | 4368280 Cangaroo.TNT
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Hey dipshit, the others beat me to it, but who is spreading disinformation now?

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:25 | 4368290 Urban Redneck
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"elections" ... perhaps you also fall for the bullshit, "rich vs poor/ class conflict" BS that is being pushed here, just like the red v blue BS in the US. If you're in Asia you should know better- particularly that the cracks in the facade are between of the legions who pledge allegiance to different factions among the elite. Team Soros vs Team Kock, just swap yellow for blue, reverse the mental associations of red/blue in the US, and slather on BS about the "poor" real thick...

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:15 | 4368369 Disenchanted
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Economist's Absurd "Divided Thailand" Commentary

Who ya gonna believe, the usual liars or...?

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:12 | 4368458 verum quod lies
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Actually one major issue is that as a rule ethnic Thais have not seen their real standard of living increase vs. a ruling elite that largely controls governemnet and the media that has visibly benefited. Sure, different teams and team colors but not exactly sides that are interchangeable with our situation. For example, I am not worried about ethnic Thais rioting becuase their EBT cards are rejected or tribal bankers complaining to AIPAC to punish any Congresscritter that stops the spice flowing to the TBTFs.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:39 | 4368990 Keyser
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The elites and most of the middle class are chinese-thai and those from the north are thai and laos. The chinese-thais are quite racist and can't stand to think that  their government is controlled by the lowly, dark-skinned peasants from Isaan. Of course the poor are nothing but puppets for the Shinawatra clan, but they are the majority. All of this began with Thaksin tried to grab too much power as PM in 2006 and went head-to-head with the King. This is why he was more of less banished and all of this turmoil is revenge and a power play so Thaksin can return from exile, have his crimes expunged and return to power. It ain't gonna happen. I've watched this side show for over a decade. Nothing surprises me anymore when it comes to Thais. 

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:37 | 4369120 silvermail
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  The world is simple and clear and the law is all one:
Leader is not important whether or not a criminal.
If the leader is willing to be a puppet of the U.S., then he is a saint and a democrat. And if the leader does not want to be a puppet of the U.S., so he was a tyrant and a criminal.
That this may be hard to understand?
Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:56 | 4368340 laosuwan
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actually, what he has said is he wants to delay elections until vote buying and corruption is brought under control, then have elections that are fair and free.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:14 | 4368365 Bendromeda Strain
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Why? Vote buying and corruption is how the USSA leads by example.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:43 | 4369004 Keyser
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Nah, in the US they just manipulate the electronic voting results. 


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:44 | 4369134 silvermail
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What sense to manipulate the voting system in the country with a one-party system of government? In the U.S., one ruling party - a party of big capital. Everything else - it's just a theatrical show for stupid slaves.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:39 | 4368509 SilverFish
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Democracy has never been freedom. How can it be, when it's possible for 51% of the people to order 49% of the people to follow their orders, under threat of violence against them if they do not?

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:51 | 4369020 logicalman
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The tyranny of the many over the few.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:20 | 4369080 bobert
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You deserve a thousand upvotes for this profound basic insight.

Constitutional republic's are the highest form of govenrment.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:55 | 4369152 silvermail
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You are confusing between the concepts of "democracy" and "American democracy."
"Democracy" - it is a government of the people in a particular country.
But "American democracy" - it is imposed by force the power of the American people over the peoples of other countries.
Example: Afghanistan can not be used "American democracy." In Afghanistan can only be "Afghan democracy." But in this Afghan democracy, there is no place for the U.S. puppet - Hamid Karzai.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:39 | 4369126 silvermail
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Free and fair elections can be in only one case - if the result of this election satisfied the United States.
In any other case, elections are dirty and dishonest. Even children know it.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 22:50 | 4370023 laosuwan
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the ruling thaksin government IS supported by the usa.


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 10:56 | 4368245 NOZZLE
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Shot in the head and chest, an obvious self Inflicted wound meant to foment violence.   BTFD and get you some Thai hookerz and watch the show unfold from your 5 star hotel room balcony. 

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 20:14 | 4369502 StychoKiller
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Just remember to do what Boris told ya to do with those Thai "ladies."

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 10:59 | 4368250 decisiveinvesting
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Thailand is a poor and corrupted country. But if you know how to control your emotions then you can make money and be happy everywhere.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:40 | 4368993 Pure Evil
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It seems the future has arrived.

And, if I could dance on the edge of an event horizon then I would know I was truly alive.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 18:58 | 4369308 nevket240
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Typical statement from a Wikipedia expert.

Thailand is NOT a POOR country at all. Clown.

It is a brutallly Governed Corruptocracy with a Muppet as its figure head and Court Jesters and Army/Police WarLords stealing everything not welded to the chassis.

Nothing, and I mean, NOTHING, happens in Thailand without Army/Police involvement at some level.

Go there, live there, learn there. In the meantime, STFU.


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:00 | 4368252 satoshi101
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He's not the LEADER,

The leader of the gang's that have been closing down the streets is name "SUTHEP" he is fine,

The guy that was killed was a minor leader at one of the dozens of polling stations for party's to register their candidates for the coming election.

A man fed up that he couldn't register his alternative party, took it to himself to get the bullys from stopping the right of 3rd partys to get on the ballot.


This title post sucks, but the entire 'world' press is calling this guy the 'leader', he was just the leader of one place, of dozens that were being blocked.


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:15 | 4368276 MsCreant
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A protest leader.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:40 | 4368416 jon dough
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Maybe he was "The" a protest leader?

Y'know, the gradients are infinite...

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:04 | 4368447 TheReplacement
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I'm going to change my name so that when they kill me everyone will talk about "The..." oh wait.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 18:27 | 4369220 silvermail
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A protest leader - it is like Snowden?

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:48 | 4368322 i_call_you_my_base
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If you lead a protest, however large, you are a protest leader. If I convince ten friends to go out and protest at a government building on behalf of the Republicans, I am a protest leader, not the leader of the Republican party. What you are talking about is a movement leader or a party leader. You wouldn't call the person you are talking about a protest leader. You are misinterpreting the phrase.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:41 | 4368417 CrashisOptimistic
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No, if you do that, you're a goddamn terrorist.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:03 | 4368448 TheReplacement
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Don't forget to call him a racsiss.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 19:02 | 4369323 nevket240
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For the Real Leader of this event Look no further than the DickWaste Prince. Daddy, the Propoganda Muppet is nearly dead, Sunshine doesn't have a lot of public support so the real power will come from making his own Court Jesters and Military 'friends'.

Why hasn't anyone asked why the Army and Police got involved in the last disturbance, Red Shirts, but not this time?? so far.


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 19:44 | 4369411 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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 Suthin Tharatin, a core leader of the People's Democratic Force to Overthrow Thaksinism (PEFOT), was shot dead with at least nine others injured in a clash with Red Shirt supporters near Sri Iam Temple in Bang Na district.

The clash occurred after Mr Suthin led a group of protesters to a polling station at Sri Iam Temple late Sunday morning to call on the director of the polling station to close down advance voting.


Survey says wrong jack ass.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:03 | 4368257 mrdenis
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I guess they couldn't wait for the false flag super bowl .........

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:31 | 4368301 kridkrid
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No way, with all the talk about terrorism at the Winter Olympics, it's got to be… Oh wait…

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:07 | 4368266 kridkrid
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South Park should do another episode like the one they did about the Fed's response to the financial crisis. A Wheel of Fortune theme with the 3 contestants Obama, Putin and Jinping... all of the spots on the wheel represent the various Archduke Ferdinands where WWIII could "start" (it's already started, for those scoring at home... and if you are, congrats!). They keep spinning "bankrupt" but get money handed to them each time by shadow figures just off stage. Various other funny shit happens (haven't thought this through all of the way).

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:36 | 4368305 Bearwagon
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Various other funny shit will happen in a few hours, come monday open ...

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:08 | 4368269 LetThemEatRand
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"'The government has allowed thugs to use weapons'", Akanat Promphan, a spokesman for the protesters, told reporters."

Wait, I thought that was a racist code word now.  

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:29 | 4368297 nmewn
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Only here and when used in connection with a football player who went to Stanford, not in Thailand where its futbol and Erin Andrews isn't on the sidelines reporting on the daily protest marches of Ubon Rajathanee University grads.

Its all very nuanced ya know ;-)

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:12 | 4368273 JustObserving
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In new NSA news:

German TV: Edward Snowden says NSA is involved in industrial sabotage

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:31 | 4368302 smacker
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I'm glad this story has finally made it to MSM.

It was darned clear to me and some others from Day One that a large part of the NSA/GCHQ spying has nothing to do with fighting terrorism or 'keeping us safe' but is actually 21st century good 'ol fashioned industrial espionage. Add to that a large measure of political espionage to find out what other leaders are saying/doing and you have the NSA/GCHQ activities well and truly exposed.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:54 | 4368336 Bioscale
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After reading all the articles on from Sibel and other people there, I just can't see anything what the media serves as "Snowden says" as a NEW thing.

It's the same with these news about industrial sabotage. What fucking new is exactly on this?

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:43 | 4368619 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The real 800lb gorilla in the room to this story no one will acknowledge and keeps ignoring.

You ever wonder why these guys got a no bid contract? Why would they choose a Canadian company which is outside domestic restrictions for data collecting purposes?

Silver Oak Solutions Acquired By CGI September 2005 ... Silver Oak Solutions is a highly specialized firm that is deeply committed to its Spend Management area of expertise and focus. ... Spend Management is perhaps the largest, but most unknown ROI proposition in the entire technology, consulting, and outsourcing sectors with over $20 trillion spent worldwide on direct and indirect goods and services with every dollar cost reduction translating into significant bottom-line savings; ...
  • Government Spend Management is the single largest vertical industry with conservatively over $100 billion in annual savings potential to be gained by the public sector. This is perhaps one of the most appealing value propositions in this entire industry, where other cost savings alternatives include raising taxes, cutting government programs, or eliminating staff, which typically result in political confrontation;
  • Ability to leverage the Company’s resources, past successes, and PRISM® technology into the growing commercial sector with one of the single best ROI propositions;
  • Valuable point of entry for full-scale procurement Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) or other outsourcing arrangements including Information Technology Outsourcing (ITO), where other outsourcing firms have failed to gain a foothold;
  • Some of the most highly skilled strategic sourcing professionals and Spend Management experts with prior, senior-level positions held at Mitchell Madison, KPMG, McKinsey & Company, Deloitte Consulting, and Global 1000 companies including General Electric;
... TripleTree led a strategic evaluation process that ultimately led to a “game-changing” industry move combining the strength of Silver Oak Solutions’ PRISM® spend analysis, strategic sourcing and compliance Spend Management expertise with CGI Group’s global footprint and outsourcing excellence. CGI Group, Inc. (NYSE:GIB) is the largest independent information technology and business process services firm in North America ... ... ... Mike Keating, senior vice-president leading CGI operations in Western United States added, "Silver Oak is the recognized leader in the delivery of high quality spend management solutions that produce tangible results. Their capabilities, combined with CGI-AMS's industry focus and solutions allows our combined team to offer more comprehensive consulting, ITO and BPS services. In particular, this combination brings synergies with our government purchasing solutions, used by hundreds of state and local governments, and our electronic procurement offering for the public sector. We are very excited to welcome our new team to CGI-AMS and look forward to demonstrating our extensive combined capabilities to our clients."
... I hope people understand just how deep the rabbit hole goes here and why them getting the contract had absolutely nothing to do with building a website and if you read this everything to do with spend management software. That has absolutely nothing to do with keeping us safe from terrorism or protecting 'national security' when they know who is bidding and $ amounts for the DHHS rectal thermometer contracts. That information is only good if you want to front run a contract to make sure certain suppliers can bid the lowest bid to win the contract. It is down right illegal and serves no 'national security' purposes. They also have no business knowing who and what amounts are for 'secret' contracts that are not publicly bid or posted for 'national security' purposes either because the one person who has to know gets all that information already without this.
Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:13 | 4368274 I am Jobe
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I have noticed that Thailand has more freedom and the co called America. having said that Amerika now breeds pussies. 

Long on Phatt Thai

Sing Tao Beer


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:14 | 4368924 atomp
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Singha. 5 5 5.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:19 | 4368281 SilverDOG
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The killings already well underway here in the good ole U.Ass.A.


Keep Stacking My Friends

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:37 | 4368307 williambanzai7
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Tata Motors Ltd (TTMT), India’s biggest automaker, said its Managing Director Karl Slym died in Bangkok.

Slym, 51, fell from the city’s Shangri-La hotel, where he was staying, a spokeswoman at the Mumbai-based company said by telephone on Sunday, without elaborating. The Englishman, who joined Tata Motors in 2012 after a 17-year stint at General Motors Co, had gone to Bangkok to attend a board meeting of Tata Motors Thailand Ltd, the automaker said in an e-mailed statement.

Slym, who joined Tata Motors from GM’s Chinese unit, headed the company’s operations excluding the Jaguar Land Rover luxury unit amid the worst slowdown in more than a decade in Asia’s third-biggest economy. He sought to reposition the failing Nano as a "second car" after buyers shunned the US$2,300 compact pitched as an inexpensive alternative to motor scooters.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:40 | 4368313 Bearwagon
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Interesting. I guess he simply underestimated how actually short the roof was for a long walk, though.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:52 | 4368331 williambanzai7
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All the river facing rooms in that hotel have terraces.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:11 | 4368354 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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He probably had some trade 'secrets' that needed to be protected. The US never assasinates businessmen to protect intellectual property when they leave an American company for a foreign company. Englishman working in China for an American company sounds like someone had more than one employer also. These sort of accidents tend to happen when they do and they move on in more ways than one.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:27 | 4368393 Bearwagon
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It just may be that this has something to do with the more negative consequences it would have for oil-importers, if a great number of cheap new cars boost demand above that what's sufficient for a scooter.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 15:06 | 4368421 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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It has nothing to do with the scooter.

The second-generation Tata Nano will shift upmarket to become a “smart city car” as India’s largest automaker looks to take the new model to the world.

Tata Motors managing director Karl Slym confirmed the Nano’s emphasis would shift from being the ‘world’s cheapest car’ to a vehicle that would be competitive and desirable outside India.


That alone can get you labeled as an enemy combatant and subject to suiciding and droning these days in the game of total warfare if no one has been paying attention. Unlike years ago no one declares war and no one knows the rules anymore to be able to get out of the way. At least with the old school mafia you could coexist in the same space and avoid being targeted if not playing the game because the rules were clear cut and everyone in the neighborhood knew what they were.

As the resources shrink especially oil and people's ability to pay for fuel smaller, cheaper more fuel efficient cars are going to be the growth market in automobile industry over the next few years.

I can think of a lot of reasons to have the guy suicided in the game of total warfare. Most importantly besides the above India is part of the BRICS. He defected from a non BRICS company in BRICS territory to a BRICS company in BRICS terrritory. These assholes have officially blurred all the lines at this point. Destablization is the standard modus operandi to hold onto control and dominance when growth is no longer viable. History is clear on the general trend.


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:43 | 4368423 The Joker
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More than likely, just the opposite.  I'm sure those cheap little cars get serious miles/gallon. No, must keep people driving gas-guzzlers.  It may have been pitched as an alternative to scooters but rest assured many people would have used them as an alternative to cars with lower gas mileage.  Big oil rules the world.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:53 | 4369024 Keyser
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Bangkok is the world's hub of people taking long walks off tall buildings. We often muse on the statistical likelyhood that all of these poor souls actually jumped, or were pushed. Beware as all railings on balconies in Thailand are extremely low by western standards. Even at the Shangri La.  

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:54 | 4368333 WillyGroper
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I seem to recall a Telecom exec meeting the same fate in India.

Had to do with Marconi, if memory serves.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:39 | 4368380 Smegley Wanxalot
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I personally have had 2 coworkers (out of about 10 I know who have gone) die during business trips to Bangkok, and the reasons why were never explained clearly.  I wouldn't go to Bangkok for all the ... cheap easy pussy in Thailand.


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:53 | 4368541 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Underage pussy and transsexuals are a honey pot. If they can't suicide you, then they arrest you or embarrass you and kill your career (though these days that doesn't seem to work anymore). The only revelation about Thailand would be if everyone who has a vested interest didn't have a shop set up there...

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 14:40 | 4368658 Jack Burton
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I read the British press first thing every morning. I swear to god that at least once a week a British citizen fall from a hotel or condo to their deaths in a foreign country. It is so common that I don't look past the headlines. I seriously believe that a goodly number of them are business people, or connected to business people. MI5 is known to be a very deadly organization. Why these deaths happen I do not know, but so many of them begs the question "Who is killing them and why". Let us be honest, how many fucking people fall from buildings?  It is rare, but not for British citizens overseas. This would provide MI5-6 the perfect chance to shuff anyone out. I wish I knew more about this strange happening, but I do not.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:59 | 4369039 logicalman
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I'd stick with knowing nothing - it's the ones that know shit that seem to end up impersonating rain drops!


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 21:12 | 4369721 laosuwan
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we have at least one or two foreign businessmen and tourists falling from their rooms in hotels and condos in thailand each week. it is always said to be an accidental fall. this does not happen in many other countries to my knowledge, only here.


why was TATA having their conference in Bangkok now? you believe that?

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:54 | 4368314 laosuwan
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expect more terrorism in thailand as the government gets desperate



Sun, 01/26/2014 - 14:42 | 4368669 Jack Burton
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"Land Destroyer" is a good blog, I have seen many good posts that I can verify are good information from my own research into these subjects.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:49 | 4368326 gwar5
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I was in Thailand in November. Protests were starting day after we got there. But a Thai business woman on the plane had briefed us on everything about Thailand on the way over from Manila. She said there was likely to be such protests, a dip in Thai Baht, and she highly recommended the ping pong ball show in Pattaya. 



Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:54 | 4368334 williambanzai7
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The ping pong ball shows are not what they are 'cracked" up to be. 

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:27 | 4368392 Winston Churchill
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Never saw the ping pongs.

Saw a giant  stack of baht coins 'sucked ' up without any being

dropped though.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:55 | 4368337 laosuwan
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death toll from government assasinations now at four persons killed

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 14:45 | 4368678 Jack Burton
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Thailand plays hard ball. I remember way back when the USA used Thailand to bomb Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos. The Thai military is ruthless and I expect their security services are even more ruthless. Personally, if I were a Thai, I would not cross their government powers, if I wanted to live very long. Killing is not a big deal to those powers that be in Thailand.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 16:58 | 4369040 Keyser
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The military hasn't taken sides in this skirmish, yet. Doesn't stop either side from bringing in zappers though, which is what happened in 2010. One article stated that one of the US's alphabet soup agencies is actually pulling the trigger on the anti-democracy protesters. Who knows. One thing I've learned about Asia over the years is that nothing is as it appears.


Sun, 01/26/2014 - 21:08 | 4369706 laosuwan
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the military are business men. they have no hesitation to kill anyone for money. but, compared to the police they have a sense of morality somewhere in them.


the thaksin government has not been able to capture the military like they have the police and state agencies so thaksin cannot get the civil war he wants. this is why he will bring back the cambodian mercenaries and red shirts he used inu 2010 to sni[pe, bomb and burn bangkok.


thaksin will never quit ntil he is dead. comprimise is not an option for him. his hunger for power is too deep within him and has run in his family for three generations like that. this is all they know, thirst for power and money. He wants to be an emporer and his family a dynisty. both the chinese and the americans support him for their own reasons.


thailand is truly in peril

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 11:58 | 4368341 q99x2
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People are allowed to protest? What a backward nation.

Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:00 | 4368344 Disenchanted
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Thailand: US-backed Regime Using Terrorism Against Occupy Bangkok Protesters



The Washington Post has openly called on the US to condemn the protesters and back the regime in an op-ed titled, "Thailand’s anti-democracy protests should provoke a harsh rebuke from the U.S." The op-ed was followed by a letter from US Congressman Michael Turner (R-OH) who implored US President Barack Obama to condemn the protests and back the regime and its planned sham elections scheduled for February 2, 2014

To understand why the US is once again backing a terrorist regime in yet another country that it insists on meddling in, one must understand the decade of servile obedience Thaksin Shinawatra, the defacto regime leader, has lent the West:


  • In the late 1990's, Thaksin was an adviser to notorious private equity firm, the Carlyle Group. He pledged to his foreign contacts that upon taking office, he would still serve as a "matchmaker" between the US equity fund and Thai businesses.

  • In 2001 he privatized Thailand's resources and infrastructure including the nation's oil conglomerate PTT - much to Wall Street's delight.

  • In 2003, he would commit Thai troops to the US invasion of Iraq, despite widespread protests from both the Thai military and the public. Thaksin would also allow the CIA to use Thailand for its abhorrent rendition program.

  • Also in 2004, Thaksin attempted to ramrod through a US-Thailand Free-Trade Agreement (FTA) without parliamentary approval, backed by the US-ASEAN Business Council who just before the 2011 elections that saw Thaksin's sister Yingluck Shinawatra brought into power, hosted the leaders of Thaksin’s "red shirt" "United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship" (UDD) in Washington DC.

  • Since the 2006 coup that toppled his regime, Thaksin has been represented by US corporate-financier elites via their lobbying firms including, Kenneth Adelman of the Edelman PR firm (Freedom HouseInternational Crisis Group,PNAC), James Baker of Baker Botts (CFR, Carlyle Group), and Robert Blackwill (CFR) of Barbour Griffith & Rogers (BGR)Kobre & KimBell Pottinger (and here). Currently,Robert Amsterdam, of the Chatham House corporate member Amsterdam & Partners, serves as both lobbyist for Thaksin Shianwatra as well as his "red shirt" mobs, the UDD.

  • During the most recent political crisis, the Western media has lent its full support to defending the Thaksin regime against protesters, as can be seen in reports by the BBCReuters, the New York Times, CNN, theWall Street Journal, and now the Washington Post.


    Thailand now: Caution, economic hit-men at work.

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:37 | 4368412 The Joker
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    Spreading democracy at its finest.

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 15:50 | 4368796 Amagnonx
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    Good to see accurate info - the original article makes a very clear issue cloudy.


    The two groups that are in conflict are;

    Thaksin (backed by the globalistsand the poor due to populist policies aimed at vote buying) versus the Thai middle class, and entrenched Thai oligarchs.


    It is far better that Thailand is controlled by its own oligarchs than it should continue under the globalists - the locals elite are not suicidal, or likely to deal out genocides like the Thaksin globalist regime will.


    The anti govt protestors are on the right side of the conflict and killings like this will simply enrage the populace more - it was no doubt done by some brainwashed young idiot who thought it would help the regime, but of course it will have the opposite effect.

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 12:16 | 4368367 q99x2
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    Occupy Bitcoin: Help end the corrupt central banking system. Buy Bitcoin.

    Profits taken last week are now making their way to safety.

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    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:24 | 4368484 world_debt_slave
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    They want to make sure he is dead by wasting a bullet.

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 13:44 | 4368521 Son of Captain Nemo
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    I'm sorry.

    Did I miss "Vitali Klitschko's goes to Thailand (part two)" courtesy of George Soros and the NGO/USAID Langley House Production?...

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 14:02 | 4368567 qazwsx
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    Raw video from yesterday. You can hear gunshots and people beating a guy on a truck. Things are getting chaotic.

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:24 | 4369095 jeffgroove102
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    Nothing new here, we have seen this play out a bazzillion times before, where the sociopathy of (fill in the blank) government finally makes it's way out into the open. Tsk, Tsk. We have lots of cool tech and toys, but unfortunately, we still have ethics that predate the middle ages.

    How many times do we have to learn over and over again, that you do not give a certain group of people the legal right to use violence against others and expect them to behave.

    And yet you still see the same lame ass posts on this thread with people voting them up concerning collecting guns. How naive do you have to be to think that you can compete with thoroughly trained killers?

    Brothers and sisters, systemic reform will be a slow and laborious process unfortunately.

    Mon, 01/27/2014 - 00:44 | 4370277 Harrison
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    Why are you blaming the government for (1) a protester who was trying to shut down a voting site, and (2) an ordinary citizen pissed off at the protester who decided to shoot the protester?

    All the government is trying to do is hold elections. Neither troops nor police were involved in the shooting.

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 17:31 | 4369107 Bazza McKenzie
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    So in the Ukraine protestors are demanding elections.  In Thailand, protestors are trying to stop elections.  Which lot of protestors thinks they have the majority supporting them?

    Mon, 01/27/2014 - 01:47 | 4370382 X_mloclaM
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    and no one cares about a majority, in protest.

    You can protest, individually. "All liberty is individual liberty." -Calvin Coolidge

    Ukraine has 1/30 citizens (who voted in a democratic leader) wanting the euro & draghi teh sex, get offered gov't positions. Elections again held in 2015

    Thailand has ~ 15/30 citizens not in support of a serial elected regime, who get elections called early, someone is mysteriously shot, and this means "people dont want elections?" They do, they want them free and fair

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 19:51 | 4369419 Kina
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    If it is Thailand politics and thing is certain ... what is really going on we will never know or understand.

    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 21:04 | 4369686 laosuwan
    Sun, 01/26/2014 - 21:54 | 4369854 tip e. canoe
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    picks a side but good reading nonetheless

    Mon, 01/27/2014 - 00:40 | 4370268 Harrison
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    Zero fucks given.

    Mon, 01/27/2014 - 08:25 | 4370707 tip e. canoe
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    ah, this wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the Kra Canal Project, would it?

    During Thaksin Shinawatra’s tenure from 2001 to his ouster in 2006, the project was once again placed on the backburner amid other, more-pressing issues.

    For Malaysia and Singapore, debates on the canal are somewhat zero-sum, since diverting traffic and activity away from the tip of the Malaysian peninsula is detrimental to both their interests.

    India, Japan and China – all net importers of energy – would benefit from having trade traverse the Kra Isthmus as well. Thailand, which has enjoyed a strategic economic partnership with China, could easily pitch the project to Chinese investors. China, in an attempt to demonstrate regional leadership and goodwill towards ASEAN, would do well to provide capital backing

    The canal will allow vessels plying the Europe-Middle East-North Asia route to bypass the Straits of Malacca and cut their journey by at least 1,000km. Of course, any vessel bypassing the Straits will bypass Singapore too.

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