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Submitted by Golem XIV via Golem XIV's Thoughts blog,

The fact that the phrase sounds antique should warn us of the scale of our folly. We have lost, given away, pawned the power we once claimed. We have ceased to be who we once were. Or at least who we claimed and hoped to be – The People. Now who are we? The Consumer?  The Unemployed. The Unwanted?  ”We, the Unwanted” does not have the same ring about it does it? And yet that is what we are fast becoming. It is time to chose. Sit in front of your television or computer screen and let it sooth you, until one day you too find you have have become one of the unheard, unlamented, Unwanted. Or reach out to others and grasp hold.

It is surely time that we re-assert what the phrase “We, The People” once meant. It is suybolic I know. But symbols are powerful. And the powerful fear them.

For too long now we have been supine, docile and cowed. There have been sputterings of resolve when a million people took to the streets to oppose the War in Iraq. But the rulers of the day ignored us and ‘the people’ simply went home vaguely disquieted, perhaps a little hurt at being ignored but mainly just confused as to what to do next – if anything.

For decades now we have let others have the initiative, let others define what was acceptable and legitimate. When it was never their position to do so. This must stop.

Once, a certain people declared, “No taxation without representation.” It was and still is a simple idea. You may not tax me unless you represent my interests. Only those with my interests in mind may ask me for taxes. Today that definitiion of democracy has withered and been quietly replaced by another similar sounding but actually radically different version – I would say perversion – of democracy. Today we are taxed by people who represent every interest but ours. They are still representatives but not of our interests. Democracy has now become a kind of opera – more and more lavish in direct proportion to its separation from ordinary people and their lives.  Every four or five years we get to chose between two teams who represent some interest which is not ours. They may represent the interests of bankers, or global corporations, or militarists and the industrial complex which gets rich from their adventures, or some other grouping within the machinery of the State, or the intersts of a powerful global 1% – whatever interest they serve it is never yours and mine. For those who will clamour and say the Democrats or Labour or La Gauche represent the interests of the labour unions, WAKE UP!  It’s been decades since that was even partially true. Labour under Blair and Brown was Thatcherism by another name and ignored a million people who said very clearly and en masse, that the Bush/Blair war was unjust, illegal and unwanted. The Democrats under Obama followed the same financial and economic ideology as Bush, even chosing the same people to run things, and was as warlike and arrogant as well. Change? Tell it to a moron. He might believe you.

Democracy is broken. No one represents us. We are allowed only to chose between different teams of The Entitled who, once chosen, ignore us completely. The whole idea of a mandate has mutated. Once that idea meant that a government could do what it had said it would do when it was trying to win our votes. Beyond those things, it had to consider ‘The People’.  Today all parties consider that being elected means to be handed absolute power to do whatever they feel like doing, whatever they can ram through the tattered remains of accountability and oversight.

Elected dictatorship in installments is what we have today.  And when each installment, no matter the different names and colours of the teams, is almost indistinguishable from the last, what is representative democracy if not a street parade of oversized cartoon characters and their pantomimed arguments. Are we not amused?

If we do not speak up soon we will find when we finally do, nothing is heard but grunting and bleating. We are, to borrow a phrase from the brilliant Roberto Callaso, already walking through a vast slaughter house. And those who run it have no good intent.

It is past time when we must revivify what We the People means. We must stop reacting like frightened animals and take the initiative.We cannot allow those who presume to rule over us to continue to tell us what ‘must’ be done and to over-rule all debate by  insisting ‘there is no alternative.’ We must state what We the People will accept and what we won’t, what we regard as legitimate and what is not. It is for us to decide these things not them. It may seem like just words and on one level of course it is. But it was only words when it was said the first time. What those words did the first time and can do again, is to stop our rulers’ proclamations always being against a blank and passive background. Simply by declaring what We will and won’t tolerate or accept we force their proclamations to appear as what they are – aggressive, partisan and debateable.

You might say that it will still be just words and that blood would still have to be spilt upon the ground before their point had force. Which may be true. But still, simply by re-stating that there IS a “We the People” we take a stand, and are heard.

 

So here is my suggestion, for what it might be worth – What matters is that we state what WE will and won’t accept, what WE do and do not recognize as legitimate. What matters is how many of us sign. It does not matter that we may not all agree or that we may have differing lists. What matters is that they are not so different, that we can all stand together, and all take back what is ours – the power to DECIDE for ourselves what powers we lend and what powers we do NOT.

We the People:

 

Will not accept taxation for the purpose of paying off, even temporarily, private banking or other financial debts.

 

We will not accept the rulings of international arbitration panels on which our interests are not represented and which are convened on the basis of Bilateral Investment Treaties about which we were not consulted.

 

We will do not recognize the right of bond holders of ANY standing to be given seniority over the tax payers and people of a nation. We will NOT bail them out.

 

We reserve the sovereign right to decide in the event of another finacial crisis, who does not get paid, whose wealth is anulled. It is not for the unelected market and its experts to tell us.

 

We, the people do not accept the right or authority of private or unnaccountable State organizations to collect, hold or use private data gathered by any means that the law and courts have not specifically and publically granted.

 

We do not accept the legitimacy of any private law enforcement body.

 

We do not accept that there is any justification for secret or unaccountable bodies to hold any power over us. We simply do not recognize they have any legitimacy.

 

We will not tolerate military actions taken in secret without any parliamenary and public accountabilbity and permission.

 

We reserve the absolute right to hold to public and legal account any leader who takes actions which disregard the above. No elected official is above the law and no leader has the power to aquit those the courts have proceeded against.

 

No organization is above or outside the law.

 

We the People do not accept that any organization is too big to prosecute or too big to fail. Any organization that becomes so or remains so depsite this clear instruction, and then fails, forfeits its entire worth to the public purse at a post bankruptcy price.

I offer this as a start only. Others will no doubt be better informed and able to formulate a far clearer, better and sharper declaration.

If they do, I would like to sign it and offer it to as many others as technology will permit me to reach, for them to consider signing. The internet gives us this chance, to put up a document that any number of ordinary people can chose to sign. People might wish to have a seperate version for each Nation. Or, in a global world, perhaps we need to remain together as the global 99%. What matters is that enough of us sign so we can really say with a single voice – WE THE PEOPLE serve you notice that we are back!

 


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Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:15 | Link to Comment zorba THE GREEK
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Down with TBTF banks, up with people

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:18 | Link to Comment fnord88
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It should read: "We, the 3% of the population who actually give a shit about freedom, liberty, honor or truth.........."

 

And;

"We, the 97%, who are in love with our igadgets, and will start to care about liberty as we are shipped to a FEMA camp....."

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:36 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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good timing to post this just after the post about how many homeless there are

when the individual state/county/municipal governments require FRN's from people who own property, those people then have an affirmative obligation to go procure FRN's

and thus begins the death spiral

 

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Renfield
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This is why no citizens will be free as long as their government gets to enforce a 'property tax'. (Or 'council rates', 'land rates', 'contribution', 'levy', or any other form of acknowledgement that govvy owns your fully-purchased land, and not you.)

The day the landowners of any country started paying rent to their respective governments, is the very same day they became landless, whether or not they had the basic smarts to know it. I'm just waiting now to hear of gov deciding that some property owner represents an 'enemy', takes away her land, and gives it wholesale to their criminal cronies. I bet even then, their neighbours will huddle behind their doors, keep their heads down and their tongues still, and pray that gov doesn't decide it can use their land as well.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:54 | Link to Comment CH1
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I am fully sympathetic with this article, but why not make it easy (and more effective) by simply dropping out of their corrupt system and building better ways to live.

It's time to stop pretending that their slave system can be fixed.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:57 | Link to Comment Renfield
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CH1, genuinely curious: how do people generally solve the land problem, when dropping out? By which I mean, if you rent, you are subject to a landlord. If you 'own', you are subject to a) banksters and b) gov, in that order.

Squatting seems risky, unless done in a nearly-uninhabited wilderness where you would essentially have to live like the Unibomber. This is the only question I have not been able to resolve in my own mind, about bugging out. Everything else seems straightforward if difficult.

I agree that they can't be fixed. Roll on the collapse.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:06 | Link to Comment CH1
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There are a hundred ways of separating, no single one of which (so far as I know) is complete.

Find one way to separate, and DO IT. (Too many empty talkers out there.) Then add another, and then a third. Pretty soon, the areas of interaction will be fairly small.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:32 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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it's an interesting thought experiment: a significant chunk of productive population in a state decide, en masse, to say no thank you about property.

but then you realize that the fema camps and the private prisons and the soylent compost bins and the batter-the-homeless trainees are already in place, so that sort of takes the fun out of it

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:19 | Link to Comment CH1
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Then lay down and die.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 09:34 | Link to Comment kurt
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please, please let this be the last word

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:28 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Renfield, you ask a genuinely good question.

 

Given that you aren't going to live forever, and the land was here for thousands of years bofore you were were born, and the land in all likelyhood will be here for thousands of years after you die.

 

In what context do you say you 'own' this land ?

 

Renfield, get a grip.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:52 | Link to Comment Renfield
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To be clear: I say I 'own' the land in the context of property law and government. Hence, if I purchase land from a vendor, I claim all legal rights of ownership attaching to such land.

If a landowner, having purchased her land free and clear, then legally cedes taxing power over such land to a government, then such landowner's possession of 'her' land now relies on her continual payment of taxes regardless of purchase. (aka, 'rent') That landowner has just ceded ownership of her land to the government because that land can be taken away if gov decides the citizen hasn't paid enough taxes. (And this can easily be expanded into other reasons.) The landowner has also implicitly agreed that the government is now an interested party, on that particular land, even if the government never had a hand in the transaction or property before.

As to the big philosophical context, sure, nobody 'owns' anything except what you can enforce, but I'm not talking about that. I hope this makes it clear now.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:05 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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wow

tempered, thoughtful response

+100

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:43 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Renfield

I say 'I 'own' the land'

 

And you do...

 

And to all the others who live in the vicinity, you say 'I can make this land productive', if given exclusive access and planning permisssio from the unbiased locals.

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:26 | Link to Comment new game
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all sounds good until sheriff joe shows up and few deputies to remove you randy weaver style.

better to find a property with lowest taxation and do your thing and never complain as you are now "one of them"

doing your thing is simple-mind your business, live free and keep it simple. i know as i had forty with cabin and never saw a sherrif for 8 years. complained about my taxes and got them reduced due to mistake or shall i say an asumption. as far as getting my back taxes for overcharge, ha, simple, move on, and that is exactly what i was told, even though there was a process to get them back. realized i had pushed it to the point that i wasn't "one of them" that gets on the sheriffs short list to drive by and look closer.

Crow Wing Co. MN same as the rest and we are talking 768/yr. they are no long the servants, they are the master and that goes back to representation without input. sheeple let this happen with their stupid votes for education tarrifs endlessly(for the fucking childern meme). i'm with you in thought but just not realistic - think tinneman sq...the fucking tank rolls!

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:00 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Well, there's always Costa Rica...  If you have $250,000 or a decent income, they will welcome you.  Good food, fishing, monkeys...

"Quepos, Costa Rica"

http://tinyurl.com/ptbv7gl

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:45 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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boots on the ground from some dumb gringo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9DqrYUnCcE

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:21 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Hey!  Ya found me! 

Ha ha ha!  + un millon!

 

(j/k)

He has good advice & a sense of humor...  But, his advice is sound.  Peru is our "Plan B" because I have great in-laws there.

I am on vacation with a bunch of gringos (& Cesar up from Peru).

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:22 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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I've been thinking about moving in with Jim Willie; perhaps I could clean his pool and be his editor.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:32 | Link to Comment new game
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my brother has a condo for sale with ocean view for around 100k.

considered it but to far to travel-airline tickets spendy too.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:02 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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CH1 #JustStop

 

Yes, It's the economy stupid, if you stop then it stops.

 

Consumer == Controller

 

So what world do you want ?

 

Demand == Supply

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:11 | Link to Comment CH1
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Stopping is good, but we want to thrive too, which is why I say "build better."

One of the avatars here says "long black markets," to which I would add PMs, Bitcoin, barter, offshore corps, cybercorps, local currencies, and all the other tools for interacting voluntarily.

Rulership is barbaric, and it's time for us to move past it.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:34 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Exactly, CH.... treat it like a bad dream.....wake up live without it. Cant do it all overnite but start somewhere and go somewhere with it.

Our power is making their power irrelevant.

I like your style 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:51 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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You will never be able to fully separate from this system as long as it is in tact.  You can only minimize your participation.  The fact that a kid was arrested for wearing an NRA t-shirt should tell you that people will flip the fuck out over little things and try to shove their will up your ass. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:20 | Link to Comment RSDallas
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CH,  you are either uninformed or in support of our current ideolog in our government system.  Dropping out is exactly what they want and what they are succeeding at.  Our great Nation is deteriating before our very eyes because too many people have already dropped out.

 

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:59 | Link to Comment BLOTTO
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I know it sad to think as this is my home, but imo, i don't think they give a shit about us over here on this side of the pond in North America. We were just a new experiment on a new land. A place to create new religions (Mormons, Witnesses), try out different ideologies, make a new working class, a new breed -a new consumer, etc...

Our 300+ year history is no match for place(s) with 1,000 of years of history and where ruling stuff was born.

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The real rub is there over in the middle east where civilization started and ancient occult shit exists...it doesnt matter whether or not you believe it - they (our controllers) do.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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"The day the landowners of any country started paying rent to their respective governments, is the very same day they became landless,"

 

That's a little idealistic.  Nice in theory but property taxes in the United States originated during colonial times.  It's more American than Apple pie.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Renfield
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I was wondering when that got started in the U.S. Well, I'm not calling the colonial Americans stupid, but just because they did something doesn't really make it a good idea or change its logic for me. (I am not now and have never been an American, although I kinda wish I could say I was 'libertarian' sometimes.)

I can't fathom 'voting' to pass any kind of property or income lordship tribute ('tax'?), but there are certainly many generations of people with (I am told) normal intelligence who seem to find this a very reasonable thing. Which is probably a big reason that I've never been a fan of 'democracy' either. Those who find such taxes reasonable, let THEM pay them.

When you give them taxation power, you give them confiscation power too, because no real law exists without enforcement. Hence, those who agree to a regime of property taxation, have in principle already lost their ownership of that property. QED

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:52 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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American as Apple pie or not, property taxes are still unethical. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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Anything involuntary is.

It is a statement of the fact that one person or group is superior to another person or group.

Part and parcel of the animal world, not the human world.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:05 | Link to Comment DontGive
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Perhaps we could all stomach it, if only the property owners we're allowed to vote (once again).

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:20 | Link to Comment Serenity Now
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Harbanger,

Can you back that up with anything?  Not being confrontational, just interested.  It seems odd that a country based on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (which was originally worded "property") would start out with property taxes.  We didn't have income taxes at first, either.

Now, if you are referring to the stamp tax, then I concede your point.  That kicked off a little revolution if I recall correctly.  :)

Just looking for clarification.  I like your posts.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:05 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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"Conceived in Liberty" Book One by Murray Rothbard. Colonies were essentially concessions given by the King. The managers of these concessions paid fees to the King for the opportunity and were allowed to tax the colonists in a number of ways to recover and prosper from the colonies. 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Harbanger
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:41 | Link to Comment Frankie Carbone
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Non sequitor.

How does the length of existence of an abominable practice in and of itself justify that practice?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:41 | Link to Comment new game
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folks, all this disco chit chat needs some clarity-the mutha fuker is out of control. period.

thousands of tenacles from the same federal squid. and we haven't got to the state and local squids.

once they tap the plebs they start turning on themselve for tax(look to france). i'm suprised the revolution doesn't break out there next, or greece or italy???. sufice to say, we got a long way to go, bail ins, much higher taxes with moar redistribution before the only solution will avail itself-violence of the first order-death for liberty/ or death alive in some form of slavery. choice is coming soon.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:58 | Link to Comment Umh
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Do you think those Japanese who were sent to internment camps ever got their property back?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:11 | Link to Comment aleph0
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"in love with our igadgets"

 

Mike ruppert .. excellent statements :

http://www.vice.com/vice-special/apocalypse-man-part-2

 

Starts off with ..... "So many people are so fucking in love with technology; and they're idiots"

 

Part 1 is a must watch as well .

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:02 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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You're right.  Most unfortunate, but you're right.  That's why Lenin's dictum 'worse is better' still holds true.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:27 | Link to Comment snodgrass
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Blah blah blah. All these people do is talk. They know Americans are a bunch of lazy fat slobs who do nothing but talk. So go ahead and indulge yourselves with your "witty" remarks while you do nothing but type on your computers.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Renfield
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<<No organization is above or outside the law.>>

No organisation *OR PERSON* is above or outside the law.

You should put something in there about corporations not being confused with people, defined as "human persons" only.

Have to make it VERY SPECIFIC for judges who tend lately to be stupid about 'narrow' interpretation.

I would also suggest some strong enforcement penalties for breaking each law, but perhaps that is for another document. Maybe something about not even bothering to pass 'laws' without respective penalties.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:23 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Just enforce The Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Problem being this nation is now "Of the Banks, by the Banks, for the Banks."

The banks, in cooperation and collusion with corporations and bought politicians, enforce the debt serfdom of the populace.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:21 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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WTF is this drivel?

"Only those with my interests in mind may ask me for taxes."

We will do not chose!

revivify!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:09 | Link to Comment negative rates
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It's completely true, with a fair tax of any amount, you only pay tax for the things you are interested in purchasing. Then a company has to survive on it's ability to bring a product to market and stand on it's own, not the ability to collect other peoples money with the intention of gambling it away knowing a bailout is on the other end of a failure and you made a ton either way.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:25 | Link to Comment stock trout
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At least this is an idea which is more than most who want change but offer nothing more than comments on blogs to affect it (including me). Yet history has proven in times like these that petitions or declarations like this one can only be signed in your blood and implemented with a gun. 

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:26 | Link to Comment deKevelioc
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Good article.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 04:53 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Plenty of better Articles exist in that old scrap of paper called The Constitution and its supportive document The Declaration of Independence, which were produced by real people with real causes, worthy of fighting and dying for. Those causes haven't changed over the years and when they won their battles against international tyrants, they gathered together and encapsulated the essence of their grievences in writing and recorded the first national document recognising  the rights of the individual, articulating and enshrining their natural power of an individual over aristocrats who lusted for power, who know how to enslave individuals through nefarious means and schemes.

They wrote and compiled a means of governance which established the guidelines for government of the People, Those documents declared and recorded the means of keeping tyrants in all their guises out of the halls of national power circles. Their most powerful tool; "It's the Money, Dummy" clause, stated only gold and silver were to be used as money. This was the libertarian's cure all against them. Garlic to the vampire.

I think that people today need to understand that it was a Constitution written by living men for the purpose of enshrining their rights in their time. That said, I believe that their cause is as precient today and our grieviences are just history repeating but if you want what they had, then you are going to have to want it as badly as they did.

At this point it is a dead document because it is not being used as a governing standard by the nation's Representatives. That much is obvious. If you want to adopt the articles espoused in this posting, then may I suggest that you don't have to re-invent the wheel. If you want the Constitution to be a living document, then study it to see if it has any redeeming qualities that may suit our times. We need our own Constitution that is recognised by our representatives as the guidelines for their job description: Representative of We the People's as per our Constitution.&nbsp;</p><p>They won for you a Constitutional Republic, Sir, if still you want it.</p>

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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I'm sure you mean well, but you are deluded and confused. The Articles of Confederation was our "ruling" document, that was abolished in a coup d' tat by the merchantilists to create a more central, powerful and ultimately tyrannical form of government. Just like all the others. 

Franklin wanted Washington declared King. Jefferson couldn't abuse the Constitution quickly enough, just ask the indians of Georgia. We declared  war on Britain, because we thought we could steal Canada and then profit from the land sales.

There are NO good governments, because governments are founded on law and laws are merely methods to control the masses. The Constitution failed because it is law and law is interpreted. When you eliminate law, you force thieves to commit acts of violence that can be neutralized. The law negates this possibility. You become propagandized that you gave "consent". 

It is in the rejection of laws, documents and authority that we find liberty. The liberty to choose our own money. To work a piece of land. To build a home. To raise our children and form our communities in a likeness that represents our values without demanding obedience through politicians and their puppeteers.

You can't fix tyranny, you can only choose to reject it, it all its' forms.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:25 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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Democracy isn't desirable in the first place. There is no 'we the people'; there are only INDIVIDUALS who voluntarily share a common respect for private property and liberties wih which each individual is endowed by God Almighty. 

Democracy=mob rule. quid pro quo, aka,  vote for someone and he'll give you free shit. 

In anarcho capitalism each individual votes with his money and actions and everything is of voluntary nature; nothing done via force or coercion, as they are only legitimate actions when used in defense of life and property. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:16 | Link to Comment Pareto
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Amen FMFMN..."nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation." (Takings Clause - 5th Amendment)

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I just can not focus on an article, no matter how good,that refers to our country as a democracy instead of a representative republic. The country may have morphed into a democracy, but that is not how it was founded. All I see is democracy... democracy.... democracy. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it sure is annoying.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:39 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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Here's what you missed. "It is suybolic I know. But symbols are powerful. And the powerful fear them."


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:11 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Okay then, fuck the powerful every moment you can, and be strategic about it. Anything is fair in love and war.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Renfield
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Personally, I repudiate 'democracy' in my life every chance I get. There are many other forms of government far better, and IMHO no government at all is preferable to a bad one.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:57 | Link to Comment CH1
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I just can not focus on an article, no matter how good,that refers to our country as a democracy instead of a representative republic.

You're right, of course, Doc, but there wisdom in overlooking the errors of well-meaning people.

Lord knows, we've all made them.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:08 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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I agree that's why I went back and forced myself to read it. The article itself is good, the desire for accuracy is my own fault.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:33 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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as long as democracy is used for moral justification & power usurpation by the biggest bully on the block (that's US), it is fair to call into question all of its faults, especially when presented with a solution that makes the very same democracy the centerpiece.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:11 | Link to Comment Pareto
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I know I'm preaching to the choir, but it sure is annoying. +1 Doc.  Aint it though.  And I'm wondering when people start to catch on - I mean really start to fucking figure it out that democracy is just another means of insititutionally justifying the majority to the 49% that its ok for the 51% to take from the 49% everything they have.  A Constitutional Republic is what the US was, and is what made it great.  The strongest and most eloquent structure ever to organize men to be not only free, but, economically free and protected from tyranny.  And its all but gone.  Lost on generations now.  The 1st, 2nd (the 1st's big brother), 4th, 5th, 10th....damn is there any of it left that has any teeth anymore?  Its hard not to get emotional about it actually.  Because as each piece of that document that has been whittled away there is a direct correlation with the country's decent into intellectual chaos and a simultaneous abandonement of free market principles.  It really is all but gone.  And it really is fucking depressing.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:14 | Link to Comment Disenchanted
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Before it was a Constitutional Republic it was a Confederation.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 09:32 | Link to Comment kurt
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The South Shall Rise Agin

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:33 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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Dr. Engali

You are mistaken to claim the USA is now a "democracy".

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:41 | Link to Comment SillySalesmanQu...
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"You can't always get what you want...."

We the people just want a return to rule of law, a return to fundamentals, due process, freedom of choice,the right to privacy, an end of manipulation, fraud and blackmail.

Sorry... My idealistic side momentarily showed up.
Roll the guillotines!

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:46 | Link to Comment suteibu
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You want something that will never be given.  People in power never cede power to anyone except under threat of force.  Even with a "candidate of the people" with the purest intent to return power to the people, the system itself (the bureaucracy, lobbyists, insiders, etc.) will never allow it to happen.

When has this government ever given back rights to the people by repealing a law out of the goodness of their hearts?

Only force removes power.

Edit:  Sorry, I was preaching to the choir.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:02 | Link to Comment CH1
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Only force removes power.

Thankfully, that's not entirely true.

The power we're talking about is purely parasitic - it has only the abilities that we give it. If we stop feeding it, it dies.

Sure, it will lash out, but if we stop servicing the parasite, it WILL die.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:03 | Link to Comment suteibu
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How will you respond to their force?  A sit-in?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:14 | Link to Comment CH1
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LOL... no, not a sit-in. :)

If you must repond to violence, you do, but it's far better to be elsewhere when the thugs come out.

And better still to stop supporting the thugs. The system that hires them is one big parasite. It has nothing that doesn't come from us first. All we really have to do is stop feeding the beast.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:14 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Live beneath your means.....its that simple.

Our hubris is the governments hubris.....its that simple

The government really does reflect its people.

Not a sit in, a reawakening to simple principles - Just and Sustainable.

Big difference between being productive and emassing debt notes.

We must reject the poision fruit of the future earnings of our unborn and live beneath our means.  

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:18 | Link to Comment suteibu
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"Live beneath your means.....its that simple."

I already do that and it doesn't seem to work.  What's plan B?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:24 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Paitence grasshooper......

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:33 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Hahaha.  That's what TPTB keep saying. 

So, does that mean there is no Plan B?

(It's a rhetorical question)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:54 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Consider this - Only Jamie Dimon and lloyd Blakenfein are left in the live beyond your means on the sweat of others game.........They eat each others young........we did very little.

Reject it, in time it works. Believe me, you start looking around at ways to live and thrive with like minded people and it gets a lot easier and far more effective.

Stackers practice this as do preppers.  
Doctors who take cash at 70 cents on the dollar, colleges that offer discount rates for pre-payment.
Employers who hire contract labor, employees that set their conditions. Farmers markets, garage sales, etc......

Whatever is sold on TV, by news and politicos....do the opposite !

Whatever you do, never send ANY hard earned debt notes to New York 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:32 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Plan A (that of TPTB) was continue as normal

 

Plan B wasn't

 

Don't worry, it's working

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:34 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Explain in such a way that you do not imply "Trust me on this."

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:27 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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"We must reject the poision fruit of the future earnings of our unborn and live beneath our means.  "

 

hahahaha you try bullhorning that one in any urban or suburban or rural cesspit in this country. I'm sure they'll be lining up to send their ssri checks and ebt cards back. Good luck.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:46 | Link to Comment RKDS
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If everybody lived beneath their means, eventually those means would fall to a point where you couldn't live beneath them.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:58 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Nice piece of propaganda, "live beneath your means". "The government reflects the people". Sounds good, but how should someone live beneath their means? Because we all do via taxation. Seems if we eliminate all but voluntary taxation, our means might be different.Living beneath our means could just as well mean: live as slaves and accept greater taxations. "People" as a whole never considers the individual and liberty is the primary concern of the individual. Therefore, the government reflects what it has taught its' people to believe.

You seem to think that force is an issue, when the greatest power on Earth was incapable of passifying three Iraqi cities. With American soldiers that mght not take kindly to firing on mom and pop. The Afganis beat the Russians, The US and NATO, while we all furnished weapons to fight each other and the CIA kept the drug train running.

The power of the people resides in their acceptance of the status quo. Simple rejection and the whole house of cards falls. Reject their money, reject their rules, reject their representatives and find solidarity in your communities and the products of those communties. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:17 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Well apert from GITMO and water, good luck to them.

 

They will ask me to consume

They will beg me to consume

They will exhort me to consume

They will collapse with my lack of consumptionm

 

Fuckem, let em die

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:24 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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How will you respond to their force?  A sit-in?

 

No Fuckbrain, I Will Not Consume

 

How fuckin hard can this be

 

You can supply all you like at ever decreasing margins, you will go broke before I am forced to buy your shit.

 

#JustStop

 

The top 0.001% leverage every dime you spend at 1000 to 1, they make a dollar on every nickel you spend.

 

Why are you making the rich richer ?

 

When you stop going $1 into debt, it makes them $1000 poorer

 

Perhaps it is because one day you could join the elite....

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:32 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Personal attacks, Bob?  Is that the best you can do?

Look, don't consume.  Maybe it will work when another 100,000,000 or so Americans join you.  In the meantime, your feckless leader is about to do away with Congress and rule by EO.  I don't really think he gives a shit if you consume or not...as long as you keep paying your taxes.  And you will pay your taxes or have to deal with his force.

You really should consider a Plan B.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:12 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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I apologise for any percieved personal attacks, they were not meant.

 

How's this

 

You cannot tax what I don't earn

You cannot tax what I don't spend

I will not charge my fellow man for the services he provides

My Fellow man gives freely what services he can.

Fuck you that intervenes between the services of friends

You are no Friend of mine or mine

 

Tax that one if you can Suteibu.

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:24 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Good on you, Bob.  And good luck.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:55 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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suteibu,

 

there is no tax I don't freely give, for it is not a tax but a forfeit.

 

I am happy to give to my fellow man

 

But I will pay no ransome

 

What's mine by dint of labour is mine to keep

 

What's given to me I shall not keep

 

I will give back 10 fold and more

 

My productivity today relies on 1000 years of men

 

Those workers of the past

 

Will no be forgot

 

Your World is built on those mens shoulders

 

You coud've built the world you wanted

 

The world we have now ?

 

You can build the world you want, the world fit for your children, you only have to dream it, want it and it will become true.

 

TPTB

I want a better world

I want a better world for my kids

I am not prepared to compromise

I am prepared to crash your entire world around you to achieve my goals.

Are you prepared to negotiate

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:30 | Link to Comment suteibu
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Good luck with the crashing part, Bob.  I'll look for it in the news.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Rafferty
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"People in power never cede power to anyone except under threat of force."

America's Whites handed over power permanently to non-Whites while under no threat of force.

Just sayin'

 

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Surging Chaos
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"We the Banksters of the global elite, in order to form a more perfect cartel, establish fractional reserve banking, insure we always get bailed out, provide for the well-connected, promote inflation, and secure the Blessings of Wealth to ourselves and our children, do ordain and establish this Central Bank for the world."

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:39 | Link to Comment Sick
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Unfortunately we may just have to hit bottom before the people act in mass.  I would love to know how to change things and have many thoughts but keep them to myself because they are watching.  After I typed that I realized just how crazy this all is.  It seems like it is only a minute from zero hour.  I think I will find a group of like minded people near me.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:44 | Link to Comment MedicalQuack
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For us the unwanted, they have even automated and created a robot to give us comfort in our last days..no human the corporations and banks can automate this too..  Warning it's disgusting video...

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.ca/2012/06/end-of-life-care-robotnot-in-my-bo...

Real problem is proprietary code is becoming law.  Lawmakers work on verbiage of laws while code runs hog will where it want to go or where the rich send it to go to hide risk and get a few more of your hard earned dollars..and banks wonder why consumers are so mad..well it's the math models and code that took our money..

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/01/not-only-is-it-time-to-hold-banks...

I still keep the page with videos and links on Killler Algorithms and the practice of Algo Duping going

http://www.ducknet.net/attack-of-the-killer-algorithms/

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:52 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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OK ZH people. I'll start

 

1. I, aPerson agree that a proportion of my productive value should be apportioned to the Public Good as long as I have some say in that transparent apportionement.

2. I, aPerson agree to be bound by the majority as long as the decision making is representative and transparent, there must be some opt out at market rates for those who want to leave.

 

Golem XIV puts his heart and sole into his postings, can I ask ZH'ers to at least have a think about what he proposes before you post.

(as for me, I don my flameproof undies before I turn on my pc let alone posting here)

 

Cuntocracy Bitchez

 

http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/free/lobster62/lob62-cuntocracy.pdf

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:03 | Link to Comment weyes1
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+1 for Cuntocracy.

Love it.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:04 | Link to Comment Pseudo Anonym
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i find it odd that somebody who is the proprietor of a site called 'golem" would, between the lines, suggest to slaughter the slaughterers:

...already walking through a vast slaughter house. And those who run it have no good intent.

as if he did not know that golem, in jewish folklore and also as documented in talmud, is a being created entirely from clay.  am i understanding the author that we should slaughter the chosen ones since it would appear that they are predominantly, but not entirely, running the financial (and indirectly the governmental) slaughter house?  that's what i want to know.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:14 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Golem XIV

 

It's called Golem XIV

 

Your post is obviously trying to find some ism that this post is or isn't.

 

The Beatles saw through you in the 60's baby

 

Golem XIV asks a sensible set of questions, your unbiased, evidence based questions are welcomed.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:00 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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But who was Golem XIII?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:56 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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But who was Golem XIII?

Bruce Dickinson

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:57 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Listen if we can't have a Constitutional Republic, then a benevolent dictatorship would be a lot better than this shit-stained version of "democracy" we are currently stewing in.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:56 | Link to Comment El Vaquero
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Our founding fathers fucked up by not giving the constitution sufficient fangs and teeth.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:59 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Pay attention now... "Freedom/democracy is NOT for the ignorant, lazy or cowardly."

Alas, in the last 50+ years (since the Hippie era) 'We The People' have become all of these things.

You reap what you sow. Get ready for a bitter harvest.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:31 | Link to Comment akarc
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Upped ya for this

"Pay attention now... "Freedom/democracy is NOT for the ignorant, lazy or cowardly."

Even though the "Hippie Era" comment was kinda weird.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:07 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Huh ?
It is not the government that erodes our Constitution, it is the people !

It has all the teeth needed, including abolishment.
It lives off of our consent, it thrives from our wants and needs.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:05 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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You might want to read a full history of the Supreme Court, Court packing by the executive, Congressional usurpation by the executive and the power of the FED- a private, foreign owned corporation. The Constitution is means to enslave, that is all, just like every other legal system from Hammurabi, to Rome, to the Magna Carta, to today.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:59 | Link to Comment reader2010
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"THE CONSTITUTION… ILLUSTRATES THE COMPLEXITY OF THE AMERICAN SYSTEM: THAT IT SERVES THE INTERESTS OF A WEALTHY ELITE, BUT ALSO DOES ENOUGH FOR SMALL PROPERTY OWNERS, FOR MIDDLE-INCOME MECHANICS AND FARMERS, TO BUILD A BROAD BASE OF SUPPORT. THE SLIGHTLY PROSPEROUS PEOPLE WHO MAKE UP THIS BASE OF SUPPORT ARE BUFFERS AGAINST THE BLACKS, THE INDIANS, THE VERY POOR WHITES. THEY ENABLE THE ELITE TO KEEP CONTROL WITH A MINIMUM OF COERCION, A MAXIMUM OF LAW—ALL MADE PALATABLE BY THE FANFARE OF PATRIOTISM AND UNITY."
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Howard Zinn, A People’s History of the United States: 1492 to Present

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:26 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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Ow! Ow! My poor ears!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:00 | Link to Comment Enough Already
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I just finished watching Battlestar Galactia; the 2004-2009 SciFi TV series. 

That is what we need. Just wipe the planet out and start again. By now, this planet has become so corrupt and so perverse there is no saving it. The end game has arrived and a majority of people are oblivious. 

They should just be wiped out ...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:16 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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America was built on theft and murder. Study history and get it through your dim-witted skull. All this rah-rah "we the people" bullshit is nauseating. Same as it ever was. It's about money and power. It's the same game except now the game is becoming unbalanced and the idiot god-fearing morons "who fought for this country" (read oligarchs/bankers) are watching their wealth and offspring's future fucking melt away before their very eyes. So what do they do? They vote... And continue as they always have, believing what they have always believed, the brainwashing that was taught to them since their birth by their parents, their church, their school, society, TV, movies, pop culture. That certain groups of people are good and others are bad. Well gues fuckin what? While you worked your whole fuckin miserable life and grinded yourself into the dirt and watched your daughter turn into a whore and your son turn into a liablity till he's fuckin 40 "they" the same people who had the balls and audacity to build this country on theft, lies, and outright murder and made your fuckin great great grandparents believe they could head west and find some gold dust in a creek, have decided it's time to call it in. They were busy living the good life, fucking, drinking, travelling the globe in yachts and jets, drinking and partying while your sorry ass went to church and got shitted on by the stock market, and now they aren't happy and they want the rest of the shit they leased to "we the people" back too. They want the land and assets they fucking stole through rape, murder, fire, and chemical means that they leased to your relatives to steward for them back. They want you off of it and gone. They want your shit and right now everyday they are taking it. What the fuck are you going to do about it? Vote? Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up or do something about it. Money sex and alcohol and you funded all of it and bought into it.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:24 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Your spirit is broken - it was built by common men and women with good intentions, then the looters and moochers stole it. It was not built by thieves, thieves cant build.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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No Chief Joseph spirit was broken. His land seized and his people butchered and corraled so your "decent people" could make his land productive buddy. Read it. You have access to the same information I do. Your "common men and women" participated. Your children will not enjoy the dark age that has already arrived.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:18 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Read the whole story, buddy
Common men and women always fight the wars, we know this from the wars fought.
Thats cherry pickin, now look at the wars not fought.......its the commen men and women who stop em.

You made my point ! 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:59 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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I have read the whole story. What the fuck are you talking about? Can I live in a tepee and hunt buffalo on the plains and be left the fuck alone? No because you buddy are brainwashed and that lifestyle doesn't fit your definition of "free." Your definition of free is what has been rammed down your throat and regurgitated back out since you were a pee wee. You like fences and taxes, you like registering property and renting it, you like your kind of people that think and act like you. You like to eat farm animals and live in the same spot, you drink coffee and like shit from different places from around the world. You bitch about tolls but you tolerate them because dammit that's just the way it is and that's how those people are. What you don't know about yourself is behind your veneer of education and civillization and cultivation is an animal that will ruthlessly and aggressivley kill and also defend your idea of "freedom."

Like a rich faggoty blue blood from the northeast said to me in 08'- " the problem right now is a bunch of janitors sons' got rich." It's a ponzi scheme and lies built on lies. Your common men and women are ruthless, greedy, animals that will butcher to survivie, preserve their way of life, and also spread their way of life. You never had "liberty" only a bunch of bullshit and fairy tales to make you believe. When the Franklin Templeton fund loses 80% we'll see how you start to behave. When they call in your gold  again like they did I'll be listening for your reaction. You borrowed it to steward for them Stewart. They told you the story to go along with it and they talked your great great grandfatherr into butchering and raping Indians because the indians were savages who ate wild game and didn't "register" their property so they could be free to pay taxes on it and watch ball games and eat solylent green.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:34 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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You got all the freedom you need. You want to go out on the plains and hunt bison, go.....do as Big Chief did. Conquer a tribe, or inherit it....find good grazing land...take it over and do as you wish....defend from all enemy tribes, gangs and armies.....just as Big Chief and the chief before him and so on....GO

Dont buy stocks, funds etc...dont own gold.....dont care about it other than the effects it has on me and mine. Dont care what you do but where I squat is mine, until taken by force or default. Copper and nickel are currently good stores for me, as well as tools, books, and experience.

You seem knowledgeable on this, just who did Big Chief Joseph conquer his ground from ? 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:36 | Link to Comment kurt
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Jugdish like Krishnamurti is stuck on emptyness.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:24 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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Really, this is an old worn out position.

Who did Chief Joseph get this land from, did he take it with force. Are you really saying this particular collective of people, your Chief and his cronies, were ordained this land from God, aliens or just simply was the first ever to squat on it ?

And was it not the defeatist that lost their land to the opposing force ? 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:15 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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We don't know how poor old Joseph acquried the land. (?) What we do know is that his tribe was massacred by your tribe and his history erased from the face of the Earth, his land seized and "developed" by "free" "common men and women." Well now the same people that talked those "common men and women" into heading out to Washington, Oregon, Idaho, want their land and assets (read MF Global and Jon Corzine) and they want those decent "common men and women" in foreclosure. Those common men now talk about liberty. Washington DC/oligarchs/central bankers take a shit in a box and send it to your "common folks" out west and tell them to vote and everything will be ok.

I'm saying you bought into a bunch of bullshit that is pure fiction. If I had my way I would have drank and partied on your dime and sent you the bill for it like they are doing right this very second. I would have wrote "liberty" on it and "we the people" and put it in a glass case for you to marvel at and grovel over. But I'm just a pauper worse off than you but at least I don't believe bullshit and I know the cuntry's history that I reside in.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:05 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Does it matter? Was Big Chief Joseph an 'american', a guy running around screaming that he believed human beings had unalienable rights, including right to life, property, freedom?

It is an 'american' world.

'Americans' have built the current version of the world. In this regard, big chief Joseph is totally irrelevant.

Always better to learn the lessons from the best and history showed that big chief Joseph is not the best, far from it.

If you want the best, ask an 'american'. They know and they do.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:15 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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perhaps you have it reversed.

perhaps the world built the current version of 'America',

which is simply the "most evolved" expression of a world

built upon theft & murder all across the world

way way before 'America' was called "America".

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:02 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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Was Big Chief Joseph an 'american'

Big Chief Joseph was an American citizen.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:20 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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The key to the power that erodes our liberty is keeping the people at each others throats.
Envy empowers the tyrants.

The answer is your neighbors, the answer is local. As our towns and communities are torn apart by centralized power our society erodes, rebuild the local structures and resist what is too good to be true.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:40 | Link to Comment Jugdish
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There never was "liberty." There was liberty for those with power and money. Liberty to fool you, sell you shit, change the rules , and make you pay taxes on everything.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:27 | Link to Comment LocalBoy
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BS - That is defeatist. 

Liberty cannot be defined in terms of wealth, it is a product of the pride of achievement.

To be free of government restraint is to be at the mercy of natural law, liberty is the art of adapting and overcomming. It is in you, not around you.

Now, one cannot be free and live the lifestyles of the rich and famous.

Spend a little time with the upper crust, pathetically sad and sorry people. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:24 | Link to Comment akarc
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I use to drive by a building I worked on and pointed out to friends, "I help build that."

Now I am not allowed in it. 

A buddy of mine worked on this building

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_First_District_Court_of_Appeal

It talked of the materials they did not fancy one judge or another. It is a peoples ccourt built with people money but the public is rarely allowed in and reporters questions re the money to build it and the oppulence it contains are rarely answered.  

IN the mean time other state workers are housed in asbesto's and rat infested buildings. 

I guess the acheivement is relative.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Nothing Jugfish says is defeatist, it is reality. While he may confuse freedom and liberty as terms, your defintion is ridiculous. What is the product of the pride of achievement? Ego? Exaggerated self worth? Liberty is the absence of coersion. Therefore, liberty cannot co-exist with government.

What is wrong with natural law? We are at its' mercy whether we delude ourselves or not. Walked in a forest? Or across a street? Or down an alley? Government cannot protect you and MAY be able to avenge you or return your lost property, but only if it isn't taken by an elite faction.

Yeah, that poor, pathetic, upper crust. Your losing your propaganda touch, that was uninspired.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:43 | Link to Comment samsara
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"...Now who are we? The Consumer?  The Unemployed. The Unwanted?  

”We, the Unwanted” does not have the same ring about it does it? And yet that is what we are fast becoming. It is time to chose.

Sit in front of your television or computer screen and let it sooth you, until one day you too find you have have become one of the unheard, unlamented, Unwanted.

Or reach out to others and grasp hold."

 

That's some real good stuff right there.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:53 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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How hard is this for you people,

 

It is quite simple

 

You Say ' I don't want this for me '

 

You say ' I don't want this for my children'

 

I Say, 'I Don't Want This'

 

I Say ' I Will Not Participate in this'

 

I Say 'I did not authorise this'

 

I said 'Not in my name'

 

I said 'Impeach You'

 

You said you were above the law of the people, you might have thought so, but you were wrong

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:34 | Link to Comment kurt
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Ok, I'll bite. Now what?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:36 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Tell me, what is so good about the U.S.A. today?

I see a number of good people, but they are downtrodden and oppressed.

A majority are deluded, or are simply going along with the game for the moment; grabbing the brass ring and to Hell with those who can't keep up and "play along".

I see next to nothing in the U.S. branches of government that supports The Constitution and The Bill of Rights or the rights of citizens.

I see a military that is not doing its duty to defend The Constitution as they swore to do but protecting monied interests and the Military Industrial Complex in life wasting snipe hunts.

I see next to nothing in banking, business, corporations, or the insurance industry to represent the ideals there and dating back to the Magna Carta.

I see next to nothing in the MSM representing the journalism of Franklin or even the journalists of the 1970's.

I see a nation:  deluded, sold out, hollow, empty, lost, forlorn, and whored out to the money-changers.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:24 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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What is so great about the U.S....  Perhaps that a certain business will not honor our agreed upon purchase price of $2.75 a gallon that I made last week?  I am hearing rumours and these prices are getting out of hand very quickly.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_25001767/minnesota-joins-wisconsin-concern-over-propane-prices

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:55 | Link to Comment Jam
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I think a lot of duel fuel customers use propane for their second fuel source. Causing a scramble for the available propane. Where I am working we happen to use #2 fuel oil and we have been curtailed this year after not having to use our changeover fuel for the last few years.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:44 | Link to Comment Manipuflation
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I hear you Jam.  I offered to pre-pay right then and there because I am being rationed to 250 gallons on a short fill.  They said that they did not need a prepay though I offered to pay cash on the spot and the bill is paid right then and there.  They declined.  The price quoted to me was $2.75 per gallon delivered.  No funds were exchanged so there is no binding contract yet they are set to fill tomorrow.  No one called me regarding a different price so I will only pay the agreed to amount of $2.75 a gallon assuming delivery occurs.  I still have 200 gallons left anyway, am not in a bad way on propane and could have just let it all go for some time.(possibly until March)

I had better not get a bill me asking for more than $2.75 a gallon because I will not pay the overage.  I guess if things are this bad, I would take less gas and then they can sell the remainder at whatever price.  Sell me half of what I ordered and help someone else out.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:15 | Link to Comment negative rates
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There are 2 things you can not, and should not compete with. Insanity and free.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:10 | Link to Comment akarc
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"A majority are deluded, or are simply going along with the game for the moment; grabbing the brass ring and to Hell with those who can't keep up and "play along".

Who must also be held accountable.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:20 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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i see a bunch of fucking ugly big box stores with silly brand names littering the landscape blocking my damn view.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:00 | Link to Comment U4 eee aaa
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1. Starve the beast. Get out of debt and cripple the fractional reserve money system. No amount of debt is good. Don't buy the lie that if you are making a good arbitrage return on your borrowings it will be all right. Every dollar of interest you pay produces ten fold amounts of loans. You can't win by borrowing money from them due to the money multiplier built into the fractional reserve system

2. Put your money in assets, not bank accounts. See above for same reasons

3. Vote with your wallets. Any business that is against your interest and not supporting and employing your community should be considered an enemy to your community and not supported with your money

4. Find and vote for candidates from the primary system all the way through to office

5. Teach your friends, family and neighbors to do the same

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:48 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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We are at war. Repudiate your debt and refuse to take on anymore. Keep your home or car and pay them off, but if they can't seize it, default. Never vote for it lends legitimacy. You can't "play the game" with a different set of rules. You have to destroy the game.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:13 | Link to Comment q99x2
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We the people know who the enemy is; the enemy that makes a mockery of all our fallen soldiers--of those that have died to allow us to live. Who will now carry the meaning of their sacrifice?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:23 | Link to Comment BobRocket
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Well as the article that kicked off this discussion asked

 

1. ?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:47 | Link to Comment Tortuga
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1. National referrendum on any spending bill requiring borrowed/increased printing of fiat.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:06 | Link to Comment akarc
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As the better option to do nothing. Sign me up

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:39 | Link to Comment Debugas
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the real fight starts with

1) refuse to pay taxes

2) refuse to hold fiat as your store of value

 

how many of us actually tried to go this path ?

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:22 | Link to Comment Woodhippie
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I have and it is actually easier than it sounds.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:51 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Let Banks Fail Is Iceland Mantra as 2% Joblessness in Sight

That is a headline from Bloomberg today. Those in power are going to be forced to do the right thing sooner or later.

Once the banks are out of the picture things will turn around quickly. 


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:57 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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We the people "baaaa baaaa".  Golem goes on and on about how the people should not tolerate what their government does to them but simply cannot break out of his mental statist straightjacket.  The state has been captured by useless and evil parasites who will never let go until they are either dead or sent into exile.  Wake up sheeple, you salvation will not come from the state but through its destruction.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:31 | Link to Comment kurt
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I see no evidence that blind libertarianism has done anyone any good. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:51 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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Speaking as an Anarchist, I would have to agree.  No government would be preferrable to the libertarian one created by blue-blood hypocrits and free masons like Washington, Hamilton etc.  Just look how far the constitution's constraints have gotten us.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:04 | Link to Comment akarc
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Anarchy is a form of government including much politics.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:53 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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The definition of anarchy is certainly twisted, but I know of no definition that includes government by the state. 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 09:23 | Link to Comment kurt
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By Ayn Rand's dusty snatch I got 'em talking!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:45 | Link to Comment Tortuga
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I see no evidence that blind progressivism, environmentalism, immigrationism, hypothecatism, warism, court legislatism, squish rinoism, naftaism, darvosism and all the other pixie dust and koolaid drinking isms have "done anyone any good."

RICO all banksters, alphabet bureaucrats and their political hores, past and present.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:01 | Link to Comment akarc
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And after it's destruction? What then? There would probably be no argument that the constitution is not a perfect document. But to improve it we have to get back to it. You can not destroy everything and then sit around the campfire and go, o.k. what do you all want to do next. Rape? Plunder? Pillage? We better decide quick as it looks like chinese ships coming up the harbor (  metaphor).

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Social organization without laws or the state. Or do you prefer the tyranny and oppression that we live in now? That has always been the product of the State? There are no perfect solutions nor idyllic places, there is what we we build and tolerate. People will be robbed and bullied and killed, just as we rob, bully and kill each other and the beasts of the Earth. The difference is: it will require the violence of one to impose their will on another and they may fail, especially if communities develop to protect their interests. 

I need no law to help my neighbor or work my land or care for my family. Nor will any law do these things for me, but they will conspire to cheat me in my efforts.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 04:45 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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imho the logical conclusions to Golem's XIV's demands are three

a multi-party parliamentary system, a referendum system and a referendum initiative system

currently all three can be found in the Swiss political system only

yet this would only solve part of Golem XIV's demands. the other parts would have to be solved by political will and a battle against corruption

and there's the clinch: political will is scarce. corruption, as such, is just a manifestation of lack of political will

and one of the reasons why political will is in a bad shape in certain countries, is again because of the prevalent electoral systems which make certain parties unassailable, undefeatable and all-powerful

sound capitalism is based on economic parties that can and will fail 

sound republics grounded on democratic principles are based on political parties that can and will fail

take failure out of the system and you corrupt the system itself

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:19 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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a multi-party parliamentary system, a referendum system and a referendum initiative system

ok, now i'm picking up where you're coming from, G.   thanks for the clarification.   in effect, what you're advocating is effectively a 4th branch of government, yes?

if so, for the sake of clearing the stagnation, i for one would be down with everything you wrote there in principle.

practical question however : are swiss referendums passed by simple majorties or supermajorities?    is it the same across switzerland or does it vary by canton?

political will is scarce

another reason perhaps:  individuals have abdigated their personal political will to an "authority" who only on the rare occasion effectively represent their interests.   until individuals are willing to take that back (and the  reponsibility for all it entails), then there will always be a high risk of systemic corruption eventually.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:18 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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Hate to say this but "cartoons destroyed my life." In particular we're the "school house Rocks" cartoons.

The Constitutition LITERALLY lays out what We the People LEGALLY are.

And it says quite simply "We the People in order to form a more perfect Union, establish justice ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the blessings of Liberty for ourselves and our posterity do Ordain and Establish this Constitution."

This is NOT complicated folks.

"In Your Facie" criminality by a bunch of people who if we had over at a dinner party we'd be the crap out of is not how we run things around here.

Yeah, yeah..."but you have no choice" they say...
Well you know what...when the alternative is total anarchy in fact we do!

This Basic Law exists for a reason...and Government is DIVIDED so that "unilateral claims by some pipsqueak minority towards the interest of State over the majority" simply can't be done.

That's how Madison designed the thing.

And that's why the current iteration....just like the last one...isn't working.

Simply put...it's not workable.
There is no legal or practical basis for the "authority."

You can't have a "War on Terror."
You can't "Bail out Leverage."
The consequence of trying is a simple "your fired. We're not listening either."

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