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Where The Homeless Are (And Are Not)

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With food-stamp recipients dominated by 'working age Americans' for the first time in history; and 1.4 million having recently dropped off the benefits rolls, we suspect, extremely sadly, that the following breakdown of homelessness in America is about to get worse. Los Angeles has by far the greatest number of unsheltered homeless in America and New York City the largest population - at around 65,000 - of homeless people in the US. One wonders at the State of the Union tomorrow...

 

 

Via Vizual-Statistix,

The PIT estimates are based on counts of all sheltered and unsheltered homeless persons on a single night

 

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Those who are identified as “unsheltered” live in places not meant for human habitation, such as streets, vehicles, parks, campgrounds, abandoned buildings, etc.

In general, the number of homeless people tracks population density, so the upper map shows homeless persons per 1,000 state population.

 

The top states are HI, NY, CA, and OR, though these are all less than half the per capita tally in DC.

 

Had I used raw counts of homeless people (without normalizing by population), CA would have had the highest value at 137,000. The next highest counts are NY (77,000) and FL (48,000).

 

The balance of sheltered and unsheltered is largely influenced by climate; more extreme climates found in the northern and eastern parts of the country have lower percentages of unsheltered homeless people. ND is an exception to this trend – it has approximately 2,000 homeless people, two-thirds of whom are unsheltered.

Data source: https://www.onecpd.info/resource/3031/pit-and-hic-data-since-2007/

 

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Mon, 01/27/2014 - 22:53 | 4373679 wisehiney
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There's more than a few Vet's out there.

http://www.flixxy.com/trumpet-solo-melissa-venema.htm

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:16 | 4373759 boogerbently
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For all their "lip service" about liberal love, CA is the worst at sheltering their homeless.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:10 | 4373903 WayBehind
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Who needs shelter when it is 60F in the winter? I lived in SoCal for very long time and the beach is more fun than some shelter in the middle of nowhere :)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:19 | 4373930 Jaspergers
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South Park "California" Parody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuQzkt5a2EU

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:24 | 4373939 Pool Shark
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I remember when they did the big 'Homeless March' on DC. They bussed all the homeless to DC from all around the country. Then, when the rally ended, they bussed them all,... er,... home again.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:19 | 4374374 negative rates
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So what's your point? They should be able to live in the buses??

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:39 | 4375201 I am more equal...
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The states with the highest homeless rates are democrat strongholds. Gee, democrats care so much, they really, really care.  After the homeless vote for them, then they give the guy the 'bum's rush straight to Buffalo.' 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:14 | 4374799 roadhazard
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There should have been no bus to take them back. Leave them in DC and I'll bet there would be some action.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:36 | 4374890 BobPaulson
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Especially if they were supplied with small arms.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:01 | 4375005 Tall Tom
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There is a homeless man who comes around to sell me Gold. They find it on the Streets, or, in Dumpsters as people throw away Gold in California.

 

I asked him if he had been spreading the method which I taught him on how to make BOMBS with Lithium Batteries. I showed him the following video on YouTube. He reported that he has told far too many Homeless people.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH6GpXAXmx8

 

When you can make BOMBS then who needs a Gun?

 

If there is anything I can do to help the homeless then I will, you know?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:21 | 4373933 Antifaschistische
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BINGO...this "unsheltered" is a disgrace.   It's against zoning laws, all across California for an "unsheltered" individual to build any type of "shelter".   As unfair as it seems, many unshelted would appreciate being able to construct a place to sleep made with 20 pallets and a corrugated roof.  

It's illegal for property owners to "subdivide" their property into affordable small pieces of land.

It's illegal to violate "multi-family" dwelling constraints established by the zoning commissions.

So...it's practically illegal to be homeless, and illegal to build affordable housing.

Southern California has a mild climate and the tool sheds they sell at Home Depot would make a nice living quarter for someone who could gather up a little cash.

too bad...it's illegal to put it up...and it's illegal for you to spend the night in it because it to violates the building codes.   It's absurd.  The fact is, those structures are one of the few where you don't have to worry a bit about an earthquake tearing the place apart.

If you care about homeless...then here's a novel ideal....LET THEM BUILD THEIR OWN HOME!!  BECAUSE THEY WILL IF YOU WILL LET THEM!!

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:52 | 4374012 Free Wary
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you are complaining about strict zoning "all across california", really? You must be in a different california than me.  I see big houses cut up and subdivided into non-government sanctioned tiny apartments all over the place.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:48 | 4374698 Janice
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Antifaschistische, are you on crack? Do you even realize what you are advocating for? I agree that the government building and zoning laws are wack, but have you been to Mexico? Sheets of tin leaning against buildings, scrap wood for dwellings, and tarps for roof and walls. No thanks. I'd rather not not have families living like a third world country. Give the homeless a job building houses for other homeless. If there are sufficient houses, teach them how to plow, pick up trash, mow green ways ...something.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:58 | 4374977 Musashi Miyamoto
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--> homeless living in shantytown

--> homeless sleeping in alley next to dumpster

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:28 | 4375139 Tall Tom
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I'd rather not not have families living like a third world country. Give the homeless a job building houses for other homeless.

 

It is not about what you would rather have. It is about the homeless not having shelters, you self centered bitch.

 

Just who is supposed to give these homeless a job when there are many more who are living in homes without jobs? The Government?

 

I have got some sad news for you.

 

The United States IS A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.

THE SHIT HAS ALREADY HIT THE FAN.

The Government IS NOT A SOLUTION but is the SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM when it comes down to it. The Government restricts the Homeless from ACTING IN THEIR OWN BEHALF.

 

If you would rather not SEE families living in Shacks and Shanty Towns like those in a Third World Country then you would ACT to HELP. You will do something about it.

 

How many homeless are you CURRENTLY SHELTERING. I am neither SHELTERING ANY, nor, do I intend to shelter any. At least I am not hypocritical in my stance.

 

But, as I wrote a comment yesterday, about another article, in regards to "Community" NOT being an Strategy for surviving the oncoming Financial Trainwreck, your attitude is demonstrative on how people treat the downtrodden today... even during times which are much better than they will be.

 

I certainly would not want to depend upon a total bitch as yourself as you are a Socialist Dog.

 

Yes I have a heart. Let them build shelters. That is what Liberty is about.

 

I am so sorry that it will destroy your illusions about this once great Nation when the fact is that it has DEGENERATED to the point of becoming a Third World Nation.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:14 | 4375372 dontgoforit
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Most of these folks have addiction problems or are mentally ill.  They don't live like you and me because they choose their addictive substance over living like you and me, or they are not capable of thinking in a way that improves survival chances. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:03 | 4376521 Antifaschistische
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I do understand your point very well Janice.  Yes, I have been to Mexico, and I've traversed Africa a couple of times.   And I've visited numerous country villages throughout Asia.  None of those places make me happy and I'm humbled that we live in a coutry that appears to free from true poverty.

And, no...I don't want to see shacks built on the front lawns of the homes in San Marino.   But truthfully, "homeless" people don't want to live in San Marino either. 

The whole point is that truly "affordable" housing is illegal.  Not just in California, but all over the US.  Our governments have invaded our lives and told us what kind of foundation we must have on our homes, how they must be framed, what kind of plumbing we must have, how the electrical must work, and on and on and on.   In doing so, we have priced not just the homeless, but all low income earners completely out of the housing market.  60 years ago you could buy a very small "starter" home, on a very small lot, with no garage and very little grass space.  Sorry...not today.  Developers own your politicians....and let's talk about the banks, because homes aren't "affordable" even young couples go into massive debt for their first home.  Cha-ching for the banks and the young families enter debt serfdom.

My point is that our "care" for the homeless and poor is disingenuous.   If we really cared, there's a lot we could change.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:49 | 4376948 Offthebeach
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Third gen builder. The house my dad built and I grew up in, and at the time a upper ritzy house, is a illegal house now. Its still a nice house, but the government would not allow it.
I know I can build new, clean, safe but plain houses for a third of present costs, but it would be illegal. Young people, modest couples, fashion challanged would be satisfied.
Building codes, manufacures, tax agencies, snobs and those that don't want price pressure on their government supported priced houses.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:17 | 4374054 Quantum Nucleonics
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For a large majority of homeless, their major issue is mental health or substance abuse, or both.  You could build your shantytowns, but unless you sold them for the affordable price of $0 you'd get few takers.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:47 | 4374188 W74
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Check out Hawaii.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 04:17 | 4374256 Race Car Driver
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They're all from Kansas. They're not homeless. They're marooned.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:01 | 4374399 ncdirtdigger
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we set sail for a three hour tour

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:59 | 4374400 ncdirtdigger
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a three hour tour

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:33 | 4375170 Tall Tom
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The weather started getting rough

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:06 | 4374364 greatbeard
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Congratulations.  On the second post you've already takeing it to a red/blue thing.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:55 | 4374494 onewayticket2
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maybe because the blue's strategy - admit it or not - is to create dependency on government.  

they've been at it a long time...the boil has been slow, but look at the last election.....just try to run on a reform ticket of reducing dependency on govt via the principles that made America great....hard work, personal responsibility, liberty and equality of OPPORTUNITY (not equality of OUTCOME as you will hear tonight)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:46 | 4375225 Tall Tom
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Maybe it is not a Red Strategy or a Blue Strategy but it is a Government strategy.

 

The Red Strategy was TO FUND THE ACA LAST OCTOBER. The REPUBLICANS VOTED TO FUND THE Affordable Heath Care Act as ALL FUNDING ORIGINATES IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. REPUBLICANS DID THAT.  THE REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES DID THAT.

 

YOU FUCKING PUKE REPUBLICAN STATIST.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:42 | 4375207 Tall Tom
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For all their "lip service" about liberal love, CA is the worst at sheltering their homeless.

 

Is it up to the Government to shelter anyone? Is it up to the Government to prevent people from sheltering themselves.

 

Fuck you as you are just a Statist Swine, boogerbently.

 

There are far too many on this website that are Statists. There are at least 48 people who approved of that statement.

 

I swear that this place is being taken over by the Neocon RINO Socialists and the Democrat Socialists.

 

THERE IS NO HOPE. THERE IS NO POLITICAL SOLUTION.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:35 | 4375758 Professorlocknload
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Build it and they will come.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:33 | 4375746 Professorlocknload
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"CA is the worst at sheltering their homeless."

  Maybe CA is just better at attracting homeless? Good weather, good weed, "liberal" welfare, and for some reason, they are mostly concentrated along the coast.

 

 

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 22:54 | 4373681 Big Brother
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Those 2000 people in ND either are some of the toughest people on earth, half-yeti, or maybe there's a 2000-person year-to-year turnover rate due to freezing to death.  I just don't see how they'd survive a winter in ND.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:50 | 4373840 cynicalskeptic
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Oil field workers in ND - high demand for limited housing.  Lots of people showing up looking for work - and getting it - but without a place to stay.  You've got EMPLOYED people living in campers and plenty in 'barracks' provided by companies.  Motels are full up and rentals costing a lot.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:45 | 4374466 Agstacker
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The Walmart parking lot in Williston was always full of campers and people living in their vehicle, making good money but noplace to live.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:59 | 4374501 Billy Sol Estes
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We had drifters in the Haynesville-Bossier a year or so ago. Tiny towns of less than 10k pop. building Holiday Inns and mobile home camps sprouting up near drill sites. Some got wise that when the rush ends your Holiday Inn will shit the bed but you can just sell or roll out your mobile homes...

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 22:55 | 4373686 quasimodo
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Damn, feel bad for those in ND. That is some hard country, here in IA it sucks bad enough but I can't imagine going another mile north this time of year.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:22 | 4374059 Quantum Nucleonics
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It's an anomaly.  Almost all are probably workers in the oil and gas industry.  They make great money, but live in camps because there isn't enough housing.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 22:56 | 4373688 fonzannoon
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I was in Times Square area yesterday. As I walked through the streets to where I was going, I was approached by a few homeless people. There were no cops in sight at the time (they were all in one area setting up for the idiocracy bowl). They (homeless) were incredibly polite. I am 5'9 175lbs. The people who came up to me asking for money were all bigger than me. It was fucking freezing and they were clearly not living in ideal conditions. I was fascinated that they did not just decide that the easier course of action, and more fruitful, should they be succesful, would be to just rob me. At some point I am pretty sure they will.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:00 | 4373706 suteibu
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The beggar has more respect than the thief.  The beggar is humble, the thief has no control over his ego.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:44 | 4373831 tempo
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Jesus would be a progressive with the rich supporting the poor. But Jesus lived in Peter's home for free. Jesus never encouraged anyone to work or get a job since the Kingdom was at hand and material goods are not needed in the Kingdom. Tell that to the freezing homeless!!

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:51 | 4373845 fonzannoon
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Jesus..I like him very much, but he no help with curveball.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:04 | 4373883 Harry Dong
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If Jesus was Jewish, why does he have a Puerto Rican name?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:14 | 4373911 Ness.
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"...You said it man, nobody fucks with the Jesus."

 

<someone had to post the clip>

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IONyLZn0pLI

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:55 | 4374203 q99x2
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Jesus was not Jewish. Yes he could trace his name to Abraham but when God formed him Mary was a surrogate. God used divine genes to come to earth.

And I can tell you this divine genes do not include a sense of humor. Even when he complained about the time he had to put up living with people, he did not intend that to be funny. We see humor in it because we see ourselves in other people not in Jesus.

And, I can tell you this too. He is not one to argue with or even have a two way conversation with. He has a unique communications system in that he speaks through the sub-atomic particles that make up your entire substance. That is why he is often referred to as the Word. You will know when you "hear" him.

When the word was written it quickly spread and became technology. Through union with our physical manifestation, by being read, Plato's technology became intertwined with the Word of God.

The NSA should not interfere with God.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:16 | 4374415 Ghordius
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does your faith have a name/denomination? just curious

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:24 | 4375415 Dixie Rect
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Roses are reddish, violets are blueish. If it wasn't for Jesus, we'd all be Jewish.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:19 | 4375394 dontgoforit
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You are correct.  You do 'know' when he lets you know; and you see when you ask to be 'unblinded.'  Care of your brother does not mean you give all you have so that those who won't/can't provide for themselves are adequately provided for while you youself then become dependant.  We are all dependant on God; whether we admit that to anyone or not - it is The truth.  NSA breaking every rule.  Blowback is hell.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:53 | 4373848 suteibu
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No...Jesus would not be a progressive.  Nor would Buddha whose life was similar to Jesus'.   They both admonished people to save themselves if they could.  But such words only mean something to those who are in this world but not of this world.  And, apparently, that is possible for all people.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:29 | 4373950 Dr. Engali
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Jesus certainly would not have been a progressive. His lessons were about how we should live our lives and treat one another. He taught about charity towards each other, not through the force of an overbearing thuggish state. If anything Jesus would have been a libertarian, because of his disdain for the 600+ laws that the Pharisees and the sadducees put in place on how people were supposed to act that seperated them from God. His followers were admonished for picking grains of wheat to feed themselves as the walked through the wheat fields on the sabbath for cripes sake. He believed in keeping it pretty simple, after all what good is it to try and be perfect if you're always in violation if the law?

Edit: for the record , the Pharisees were the liberals of the time period, and the Sadducees were the conservatives. Jesus criticized both groups because of their hypocrisy.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:09 | 4374132 Unpopular Truth
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Was it Jesus who said "neither a lender nor a borrower be?" Imagine a world without debt!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:10 | 4374439 Dr. Engali
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No he never said that,at least that which we know of, but he did not like how the money changers preyed in the poor. But that is hardly a liberal or progressive issue. Nobody cares for the actions of money changers.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:13 | 4374140 AGuy
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"Jesus certainly would not have been a progressive. His lessons were about how we should live our lives and treat one another."

Funny how everyong knows Jesus "so well" that they can dictate exactly where he stands on modern politics!

Face it. You don't know Jack about Jesus, except what you read in a books that were written hundreds of years after his death. You have an better chance of guessing Mickey Mouses political views than Jesus's.

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:49 | 4374451 Dr. Engali
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For your information the gospels were all written between 50 and 70 years of Jesus's death. And you're correct, none of us know for certain who he was, that's why it's called faith.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:39 | 4375202 AGuy
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"For your information the gospels were all written between 50 and 70 years of Jesus's death. And you're correct, none of us know for certain who he was, that's why it's called faith."

Sorry, I don't mean to nitpit, but I do believe we should not sugguest or dictate what we believe people thought or believed that died very long ago, especially when we have no first hand written documents from these people. Its pure speculation.

The earliest "written" gospels are about 300 years after his death. There are no "written" gospels from 50-70 years after his death. That is when the gospel are believed to been created, but no written versions from that period exist. We have no idea what texts have changed and how they've changed been 300 years and 50-70 years.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:43 | 4375485 DanDaley
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The earliest "written" gospels are about 300 years after his death.

No, that is incorrect. There was the "quelle" or source of the Gospels, probably the oral tradition of the stories, which were then, as the vast majority of scholars of the subject agree, actually written down from about 70AD to 100AD or so.

Begin your journey here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_gospels#Canonical_gospels

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:48 | 4374001 Blano
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Progressives support abortion and homosexuality, among other sins.  They are the anti-Jesus.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:09 | 4373734 Dr. Engali
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I volunteer at a food pantry, and every Saturday we serve lunch to the homeless. It always amazes me at how thankful and considerate these people are. A synical person would say that their politeness is just a result of being fed, but when you engage them in conversation there is no doubt about their sincerity.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:11 | 4373742 fonzannoon
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Doc you are one inspiring dude. Truly.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:34 | 4373807 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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Good on ya Doc!  Wish there were more folks like you willing to put their TIME and COMPASSION where their mouth is.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:42 | 4373825 TNTARG
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Good for you, Dr Engali. Please check out meals. Don't give them fish or imported food from Japan. I've heard the US is buying contaminated stuff with radiation and giving it to the homless.

Hope isn't that way.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:57 | 4373858 cynicalskeptic
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Our Scout Troop did an Eagle project at a local homeless shelter in lower Westchester.  You've got one hell of a range of people there from mental hospital releases with serious substance abuse issues to former middle class now long term unemployed BUT a good 1/5 to 1/4 of those staying overnight there regularly ARE EMPLOYED.  If you're working a minimum wage job around here forget trying to rent ANYPLACE.  Same situation with the Salvation Army shelter in a neighboring community.  Nothing cheap available anymore.  The old SRO hotels DID meet a real need.  The minimum wage employed, basic SS retirement or disability payments... those people could afford basic housing like an SRO.  Nothing comparable today.

Homeless does not necessarily mean 'unemployed'.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:57 | 4374024 W74
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Call me naive, but what is an SRO?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:03 | 4374118 RafterManFMJ
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Single Room Occupancy; Congolese Bushmen are using google, and you're not?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:00 | 4374506 KickIce
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Standing Room Only, judging from the graph that also may apply in some areas.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:56 | 4375543 IrritableBowels
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A "standing room only" hotel, huh?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:54 | 4374954 Musashi Miyamoto
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SRO = single room occupancy. Think 5X7 maybe 8X10 room with cot. Bedbugs, Ticks, Roaches. Shared bathrooms. Personally I prefer the streets.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:56 | 4374021 W74
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The opposite happens when the government administers charity.  When the EBT cards get doled out the result becomes: "fuck you whitey" rather than "Ah, I see you taking care of me and treating me like a human being...thanks."

So which method of charity should we as a society prefer?  I'll also make the argument that when the government gets the hell out of the way people would be more likely to donate and, seeing a need, volunteer their time.  When people say "ah, the government will take care of it" they won't go out of their way to help, and no the government doesn't take care of it.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:25 | 4374557 yepyep
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EBT is not charity, welfare is not charity, it is forced wealth redistribution.

 

charity is donated with free will.

 

please dont confuse government welfare with charity.

i agree that there would probably be more charity if the government got out of the way, but more importantly is there wouldnt be a culture of dependance on the state and we would not be here looking at charts of how many thousand homeless are in each city.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:35 | 4374625 Musashi Miyamoto
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EBT is a ploy to appease the masses... Once it runs 1/6 of the USA will food-roit...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:44 | 4374674 10mm
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There will be no food riots. It's not Animal House. There will be survival chaos and thug acivity mixed in. Riots are reserved for social injustice issues or fuckin soccer in Europe.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:12 | 4374794 Musashi Miyamoto
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Whatever you say boss. Hungry masses riot... Give it whatever name you want but it ain't gonna be pretty...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:18 | 4375680 Tall Tom
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They are in denial.

Revolution happen when the masses go hungry.

 

Unless Mass Famine happens the will be no Revolution. Governments are well aware of the History.

 

Come on..Mass Famine. And it is the second year of a deep drought in California???

 

I wonder what is going to happen.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:08 | 4374044 El Vaquero
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There is a local charity that has plenty of land that it could use to put the homeless to work growing their own food and food for other homeless.  While I've not had confirmation of this, the rumor is that they do not use the land for this purpose because there are all sorts of rules and regs that would have to be followed, and it is too costly for them to do so.  That would be like all of the wild game meat at a shelter in Louisiana that had to be destroyed because of rules and regs.  It is going to get to the point where they'll be taking actions consistent with the belief that it is better to let people starve to death than let them eat unregulated food, because it might be "unsafe."  It's fucking retarded. 

 

I happen to think that community farms/gardens would be a great way to feed the homeless. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:42 | 4374092 ThirdCoastSurfer
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Most charities are government grant supported, tax exempt in all respects and tax deductible write-off scams that benefit the organizers more than the cause they support.

They are often packed with rich and wealthy liberals at the top with the connections to garner solicitations from their wealthy or politically connected friends. Charity work is noble and need not be totally volunteer, but it should be held to the same standard as health insurance companies under the Affordable Care Act in that no less than 80% of their revenues should go directly to the cause they champion. Exorbitant salaries to attract talent or excessive paper shuffling is not an acceptable use of all the exemptions they operate under. 

I challenge anyone reading this to go to CharityNavigator.com and look up your local homeless or food charity and post the name of that charity and the amount listed as the salary for the Executive Director, CEO or Top Employee(s). If not covered by Charity Navigator, find that charity's TIN or EIN and do a google search with that TIN and Form 990. 

A bonus prize goes to anyone listing a salary of less than $100,000.  More than a Police Captain or a Fire Battalion Commander in the name of "Charity". 

Don't even bother looking into things like travel expenses or the adminisrative expense of shuffling all that money or all those goods around in grants and loans to other charities.  For example, "Food Banks" do not feed anyone directly but serve as a central clearing house for other charities in the area.  Talk about a middle man, look one up and marvel at the waste -and where there's waste, there's often fraud and abuse. 

 

I'm still looking into what happens to the assets of a charity when it disbands. There is an orgainzation called "Lighthouse Charity" that provides mobile bbq trucks for charity benefits that looks very suspicious in this regard.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:40 | 4374654 Musashi Miyamoto
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This is the Truth, just a bad as Goldman Sachs or the private prison industry. The "Industrial Misery Complex" Money to be made homeless to "service". All of these cats make 6 figures and drive to work in a new Mercedes...

As a homeless person I have personally witnessed some truly evil people running these "charities"

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:18 | 4373762 Miffed Microbio...
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Don't try this in San Diego Fonz. Homeless here can be quite aggressive and are street smart. I never walk to my car without my keys between my fingers and watching anyone that is walking around. I've been attacked before and a man helped me escape when I was downtown at Horton Plaza. Yesterday at work I was going to 7-11 for coffee when I saw a homeless guy talking and waving his arms to a crow on a building. I noticed the crow was squawking and flapping its wings back. I jay walked quickly away from the guy knowing this maybe my Son of Sam moment. So many of them here are schizophrenic you just don't know what they will do. It seems to be getting worse. It's almost daily now I'm asked for money by a homeless person if walking a public street.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:20 | 4373772 Almost Solvent
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Syracuse had the most aggressive panhandlers on earth. Not violent, but way in your face and follow you around.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:02 | 4374402 MeMongo
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Kodiak bear spray, problem solved

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:13 | 4374410 Big Corked Boots
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GTFO of NY. Prince Andrew said so.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:16 | 4374414 SilverDOG
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Almost Solvent,

 

 

Jesus !!

Glad I do not live there anymore.

Where I live is to damn rural for homeless.

Most are in city an hour away.

Damn cold as well, cold enough to test my no fire camping and wish I had not.

 

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:38 | 4373786 fonzannoon
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Hey Miffed, my dad has a permit to carry. Last year he parks on the upper east side (nice area). Get's out and this dude walks up and says "give me $20 and I will watch your car". My dad points out that there is no danger to his car. The guy gets a bit closer and says "give me $20 or I will fuck up your car". My dad goes nuts and the guy backs off. About an hour after that the same guy stabbed a 22yr old girl on the same block and took her purse. To this day my Dad regrets not putting a bullet in this guy. So I always remember that story, and I appreciate your advice. believe me, my eyes were open yesterday. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:09 | 4373897 Miffed Microbio...
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Damn, what a story! I wish I could get conceal carry. I do have a pistol in my arm console in my car thinking I would need it some day. Then as I was putting gas in my car last month an aggressive homeless woman got in my face and demanded money. I would have had to turn my back to her to get my gun which I knew wouldn't be smart. The gas hose was between us so I put my hand on the nozzle and told her to back off, I wasn't giving her jack shit. She did back down but I'm not sure if I really could have pulled out the nozzle in time if she attacked me. Now I carry a knife on my hip but I must remove it at work which pisses me off. I work in a very dangerous area and my stupid employer won't allow me to have a gun on the property.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:15 | 4373913 fonzannoon
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:47 | 4374004 W74
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Year and a half?  Almost exactly.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:12 | 4374046 knukles
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In the meantime, knife, stun gun, Tazer, or Mace work pretty well
And legal as the day is long

Mind you, here in CA we're doomed with the doctrine of equal force and liberal juries.
Loud noise makers are held to be mean and unspirited

Alongside leaf blowers

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 05:40 | 4374301 edotabin
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Completely OT but I voice my strongest possible opposition to leaf blowers at every chance I get! They are loud, obnoxious machines that stink up everything with gas fumes. I can't speak on the phone or even think when those damn things are around.  I simply HATE them with a passion and they are absolutely everywhere. I was at Walmart at 3 am and sure enough, loud ass, concentrated gas fume-emitting blower right by the entrance.

They should be used as quickly and as sparingly as possible. Use electric ones whenever possible (much quieter) Instead these guys hang out with them going full blast in a slow, relaxed and nonchalant manner.

Not from CA and have no intention of going. I just think we should have moved beyond leaf blowers as a species with quieter alternatives.

Sorry for the very OT rant

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:48 | 4374349 tip e. canoe
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why anyone would want to use ungodly amounts of petrol to blow away some of the best mulch one can ever find is beyond me.   once went to a 5 acre horse farm for sale and as we were looking over the pasture spotted here & there with the vibrant color of fallen maple leaves, the owner bemoaned that he was way behind on his leaf blowing and that the neighbors were most likely displeased with him.    needless to say, we wouldn't have been welcome there.   house is still for sale last time i checked btw.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:25 | 4374434 ncdirtdigger
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My HOA sent me a letter telling me I needed to 'freshen up' my mulch. I replied "why, the leaves just finished falling a month ago. They are as fresh as they will get." Farking dumbazzes.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:00 | 4374981 tip e. canoe
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hahaha

most excellent retort

do agree that it's much more fun to fuck with the Fascistas than fight them.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:36 | 4375181 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

the owner bemoaned that he was way behind on his leaf blowing

So he was not a rakish fop?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:55 | 4375265 tip e. canoe
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actually he was ex-FBI

seriously

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:30 | 4374168 AGuy
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" I work in a very dangerous area and my stupid employer"

I gotta ask, why? Why the hell stay in a area and work for an company which is "hazardous" to your safety? Its only going to get worse, much worse. Consider making plans to relocate to someplace safer.

"Now I carry a knife on my hip but I must remove it at work which pisses me off."

Large tools seem to work well. "I need this screw driver to work on the machine, or I need a box cutter for opening my packages.", or envelop opener that perhaps has an unually sharp edge. I am sure you can find a dozen or more items in the office that can be used for self defence. "I need this full-auto nail gun to hang up some pictures."  /sarc

FWIW: Its never the people that ask to be permitted to bring in weapons to workplace. The danagerous ones, are those that don't ask and just start shooting everyone in sight.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:54 | 4376202 Miffed Microbio...
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When I started 14 years ago it wasn't that bad. Yes, lots of homeless but they were "locals". We all knew them. I and others often gave them money or bought them food. They are all gone. Now you have " transient" homeless who are often aggressive and mentally ill. We now keep the door locked because some have come in and threatened us. The graveyard group were going to quit for fear of going to their cars so they have a guard from 11-6 am.

Let me make it clear. I have never asked to carry my knife for realizing what the answer would be. I'm not stupid. I just was required to sign a work policy stating weapons were not allowed. That said, let's just say I maintain the visible attributes of the policy. ;-)

Unfortunately there are no "safe" places to work. Many associates of mine have been either mildly confronted by a person or accosted working in a hospital. No amount of security can prevent it. People seem surprised hospitals are so dangerous. They attract some dangerous people. I was walking to my car by the ER once and two gangs got into a major shoot out. I dodge just in time behind a cement outcropping and heard the bullets hit the window. Let's just say my experiences have made me a bit more street wise than an average secretary in an office building.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 04:39 | 4374269 Yenbot
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Miffed, I am going to assume you are a chick.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 15:12 | 4376307 Miffed Microbio...
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It that a bad thing?

Miffed;-)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:47 | 4374683 Musashi Miyamoto
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Its all in the walk. Remember the odds of getting mugged are far less than 1% on a given night even for a middle aged woman. People with street smarts can smell a victim. If you give the "I'm gonna get ghetto on your ass" vibe the harassment will stop. Look mean...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 15:01 | 4376245 Miffed Microbio...
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Yup, this is the trick. I exude confidence and know my surroundings . My keys are in case it escalates. I once drew my gun when I arrived at work and the lab assistant was stuck in her car while a guy was ranting at her. I put my gun on the dash. He saw it and left. Her solution? We should have called security! I said fuck that.

Miffed-)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:39 | 4374896 fedupwhiteguy
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pssst!!

Miffed, consider doing this when you go on vacation to florida. rent a non-business abode, get a FDL on day one, contact the local gun shop for CCW class info, take 3 hr ccw class, enjoy vacation, submit a USPS change of address, and BINGO!!! CCW comes in mail (to east county) in 10 days time. If you are driving down there, consider registering and insuring your vehicles also. you can  pay for two years vehicle registration in advance. The best part of a Florida (Indian River County) registration, NO SMOG CERTS NEEDED!!!

Of course, your CCW won't be honored in Cali but it will be honored in 37 states.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:34 | 4375733 Tall Tom
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A friend of mine bought a Large RV for a ridiculously low price. He figured that the way not to pay State Sales Tax was to make the purchase from out of state. So the purchase happened in Yuma ,Arizona, and was transacted through Arizona DMV. Furthermore he arranged to have the vehicle "stored" in Montana so that he could register it there.

 

Well the state of California is coming after him for the Sales Tax and Registration Fees. I do not know how they found out. But the California State Franchise Tax Board obviously have access to DMV databases, access to ARIZONA DMV Databases(???), and somehow correlated that the San Diego resident seller sold to the San Diego Resident purchaser.

 

They are so hungry for revenue that they are using the computers to track sales and purchases.

 

It used to be that you could get away with that. But with increasing Governmental Intrusion those loopholes are being closed.

 

But of course there was no manipulation of the Silver Markets and there was no fraud committed by the large Banks. /sarc

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 15:12 | 4376294 Miffed Microbio...
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Wow! Thanks for the great idea. I will look into if we will have some time to do that. Unfortunately our tickets are booked and time will be tight. I would have planned an extra day if I could have done it. My biggest wish is to get live tactical training someday. I'm pretty good on the range but we all know real life experience is what ultimately counts. I've had a few friends go to Front Sight NV and absolutely raved about it. That's my next wish " vacation" this year. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:49 | 4373843 nightshiftsucks
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Lets not forget the panhandler at 7-11 who threw gas on the customer and lit him on fire.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:08 | 4374131 RafterManFMJ
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Wow, even California panhandlers can afford gas? It truly is the land of milk and honey.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:23 | 4374433 SilverDOG
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  RafterManFMJ,

 

 

Garden hose syphon my man.

You did not grow up poor.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:08 | 4373891 seek
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San francisco is pretty bad, too. Jarring, really -- in Phoenix they're mostly sign-holders who will occassionally approach and ask for a couple dollars. San Fran... whoa. To their credit, most of them have their story down pat, even if it's something ridiculous like a 35yo claiming to be a 'nam vet.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 01:41 | 4374058 El Vaquero
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I'm 6'2", 200lbs, not fat (I could stand to lose 10lbs of fat,) and always armed.  I *look* like somebody who likes guns and I *look* like somebody who can wreck some shit, regardless of whether or not I actually can.  I don't have a problem with this. 

 

That being said, I remember the days when somebody being poor and out begging on the street generally meant that they were A) Mentally ill, B) Made some very stupid choices in life or C) Aren't really homeless, but are trying to scam you.  Lately, that does not hold so true.  A lot of people have been fucked by the system.  I am a lot more willing to show more compassion than I was in the past, but I can also deal with the risk much better than a petite woman.  I also fear that many of these people are going to get so jaded that I will become unwilling to help because it is not worth the risk.

 

Our way of life must change, and those in power are doing everything in their power to make it difficult to do, to the point of not even acknowledging this.  Many of the newly homeless are going to fall victim to this. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:47 | 4374468 SilverDOG
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Dead- on El Vaquero,

 

Walk, look, act, talk, ALPHA male.

All wildlife does as such, to establish rank.

I have traveled many foreign countries solo and all over US.

Walk the Walk and one does not need to speak... any language.

The television has rendered most underling, by social disconnection.

Want any form of sidewalk abuse, keep looking, acting, talking, zolo victim.

*There are exceptions.

Modern western medications are destroying rank recognition.

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:06 | 4374124 RafterManFMJ
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Miffed pick up a kubotan; better than a key.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 06:46 | 4374348 tyrone
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All you in Cali got exactly what you voted for, so stop whining

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 07:20 | 4374375 bunnyswanson
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Speaking of jay walking...I was heading home from a quick trip around the block, with my dog in the car, and as I was coming down a dark area of a relatively busy 4 lane city highway, I caught the reflection of metal off a cart being pushed by a lady who was right in front of me. 

Thankfully, I was going slower than 45-50, as my dog had her head out smelling the air and I did not want her to get an earache, so was going about 20-25 (no one behind me lol).  When I finally more closely examined this shadow who was now an apparently 20ish year old dark haired girl pushing a stroller-like cart (8 PM at night) more clearly, she was looking away from my direction, head completely turned looking down the road (hiding her face) and seemed to me to be aware a car was headed her way, and she was going to completely ignore my car, which would have hit her under any other circumstances, and walked completely across the street. 

Do be careful out there.  Desperate times.

 

 

Max Keiser - Guy falls from atop JP Morgan Chase Bank in London

http://www.maxkeiser.com/2014/01/man-dies-after-falling-from-jp-morgan-c...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:05 | 4375590 Tall Tom
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The homeless in Lakeside do not bother me, Miffed.

 

But, then, they know that I will kill them...NOT figuratively.

 

Actually I will pay "Troll Tax" .  If you select a Homeless man and give him a little bit, from time to time, then the rest will not bother you.

 

He will put the word out that if anyone screws with his "Bread and Butter" then they will have to fight with him.

 

I wear a Pure Gold Cross that weighs 200 Grams and set with large Emeralds. I wear that around town. I have had no problem wearing it. I have no fears wearing it. I wear Gold, Platinum, and Palladium rings on every single finger. I call them my Gold Knuckles.

 

I have been doing this for the past 17 Years in Lakeside. I have not been rolled.

 

I was working the North Park Garage Sales and met a Former County Prosecutor. She said that she was thinking about Rainbows and Unicorns and wanted to leave the horrible life behind her.

 

She noticed my attire and said, "You do not walk around like that, do you?"

I replied, "All of the time."

She asked, "Where do you live?"

I replied, "Lakeside."

She said, "Oh. You live out in East County. That is pretty safe. Just do not go Downtown wearing that."

(I have, and I still do, when I go to the Jewelry Exchange Building on Sixth and 'E' Street.)

 

You are correct to use your keys between your fingers in your fist.

My collection of keys on my keychain actually weigh One Pound. (It is a Old Wives Tale that weight will tear out Auto Ignitions as I know, anecdotally, that it does not.) I also carry that mass in my hand.

 

But if you ever have to do this you need to use your ELBOWS in a Street Fight.

 

You need to learn some Self Defense. The County offers low cost Martial Arts Aikido classes held at the County Parks. That way you will be more self confident.

 

Predators feed off of FEAR. Believe it or not you projected fear. They feed off of that.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:58 | 4375274 Tall Tom
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I was fascinated that they did not just decide that the easier course of action, and more fruitful, should they be succesful, would be to just rob me. At some point I am pretty sure they will.

 

fonzanoon...They will not rob you. No.

 

Most will not rob you or roll you. Your fears are misplaced.

 

Most are scavengers living off of the abundance of the waste and refuse of those whom are much better off. They are the recyclers. They take what has value that many throw away.

 

Some people are so fucking rich in this nation that they throw away Gold. I am serious. The throw away Karat Gold, Scrap Gold, refinable Gold, Physical Gold.

 

Then you have such a wide disparity in wealth that some will dig that from trash cans and dumpsters.

 

It is astonishing that people can do that.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:01 | 4373707 JimS
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This story has some BS in it. I live in ND, and there is no "67.4% unsheltered homeless" here. Fuck it's -20F outside right now, and there is no one who has frozen to death yet. No one, and I mean NO ONE, is living outside HERE. PERIOD!!!!

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:12 | 4373748 Almost Solvent
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Does living in a car count as sheltered?

At any rate, with 3 homeless people in the state that % can't be too far off.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 05:53 | 4373835 New World Chaos
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Not for this survey, but it's doable.  Just don't try it overwinter unless you live in the south/southwest or can migrate there.  The Dakotas would probably kill you.  I know because I once freezed my ass off near Carlsbad, NM.  I lived around the west in a pickup truck (no camper) for two five-month stretches when gas was much cheaper.  Good times, never got robbed or busted.  Things may be different in the New America. I hear California Highway Patrol are total dicks to road bums.

Good spots were truck stops, Wal-Mart, churches, woody patches near middle class neighborhoods (only if you arrive late), woods outside a small town, national forest, and of course BLM land.  The rule for BLM land is you can camp anywhere for up to two weeks, then you have to move at least 100m.  This isn't enforced, but you want to move often, to not attract attention and to change the scenery.  Changing the scenery was half the point of it for me.   It is important to know when to be invisible (i.e. national forest), and when not to hide (i.e. don't park behind a warehouse; just find a Wal-Mart.  Even a dead end in the right neighborhood would be much better than a warehouse).  Half-hiding is risky.  So are cities.  Showers come from campgrounds, gym memberships, and streams.  In a mountainous area, you can change elevation to suit the temperature.  The ladies don't approve of the lifestyle but I was sick of their bullshit anyway.  Would certainly do it over again.

P.S.  Living like this makes sense for the 8+ million people on FEMA's pre-emptive grab list.  You don't know if you're on the list, and you don't know when the hammer will fall.  You only know they will do the first sweep at night so that most people don't get the word.  So make sure you're never "home".  Keep shifting around.  Keep the battery out of your cellphone when looking for a spot.  Shoot your OnStar.  You'll probably miss the first sweep this way.  Keep some bugout gear and scrap license plates in a secret place, and choose the most rural roads for your run for the hills.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:00 | 4373871 Harry Dong
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If you're homeless but got a car, you are in the elite of the homeless. The envy of the less fortunate. The cream of the homeless crop. Ask me how I know.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:30 | 4373960 Spanky
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Fess up Harry.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:35 | 4373979 W74
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How do you know?  I'm acutally curious as to what causes homelessness and also how those who are/were formerly homessless emerge from the situation.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:17 | 4374144 Unpopular Truth
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I have heard this, but it could be false: PLEASE CHECK IT
The IRS requires a valid street address so they can find you.
Without a valid street most employers cannot hire you because they want no trouble with the IRS.
Places that rent out mailboxes are not supposed to rent you a box unless you provide a valid street address for the same reason.
Banks are the same way.
Once you lose your street address, you could quickly lose your job, your bank account, and the road to destitution is quick.
I have heard something about a carpark, where you can actually rent fro the night, and use their office address as a legal US address

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:42 | 4374175 New World Chaos
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Have a friend or family member handle your mail.  Employers and banks will never know.  The Feds will only find out if they come knocking, and then your mailholder can say you lived there for a while but you're life is a bit in flux so you're just using the place as a mail drop.  If the story is inoccuous and truthful, the Feds will almost certainly leave your mailholder alone.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 09:50 | 4374705 Musashi Miyamoto
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i mail everything to the local post office (general delivery address) . Obviously don't advertize your living situation. If your clean cut nobody suspects...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:09 | 4374790 Musashi Miyamoto
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Homelessness is caused by being alone. Almost everyone has a period when they lose their job or nasty breakup and need a place to regroup. If you have no family then guess what...

Once your on the streets the magic starts happening. I always say, "broken people don't end up on the streets, people on the streets end up broken". easy to pick up a habit, the stress...

Either way the trick is to stay functioning. If your strong enough to tread water then your golden. Stay clean cut and find a shitty job, panhandle, hustle until you have enough to make a weekly rent for a SRO. Its not that simple of course...

Homeless services are designed to take up time in your day and keep you out of the public's eye. So when you think "its nice to eat 3 meals a day" you don't know that the missions want you there an hour and a half early or you don't eat. lots of times its christian preaching that keeps you from handing out the job application that's getting you off the streets. At the end of the day... the homeless are "encouraged" by police to stay in near the missions and in the designated "homeless ghetto"...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 04:36 | 4374268 laosuwan
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the 1%ers

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 08:52 | 4374481 SilverDOG
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Almost Solvent

 

One school classmate, K-5, and his sister grew up in a car in the junkyard.

Everybody knew.

They had another sibling; it froze to death.

Mother finally freaked out and left the guy.

No idea what happened to them.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:12 | 4373750 Dr. Engali
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I spent one winter in ND and no offense, but that was the most miserable winter of my entire life.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:35 | 4373977 W74
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Colder than Fairbanks.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:19 | 4375089 fedupwhiteguy
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Doc,

I spent 3 months up there, during the spring, and it did indeed get cold. But, as I was coming from Cali, it was nirvana!!! No illegal aliens, sparsely populated farm scapes, northern european descent folk, and pretty efficient government systems. I felt very safe up there. New driver's license secured in hand in 13 minutes! CCW's honored. No waiting period for firearm purchases. Everybody, or at least a majority of population, is friendly. Something you don't see in Cali: fellow drivers WAVING to complete strangers!!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:19 | 4373925 Matt
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The charts likely mean "homeless people, for which there is no organized government shelters". They are probably in airports, coffeee shops, or unregistered shelter of some sort that government statistics do not record.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:13 | 4374800 Musashi Miyamoto
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Hmmm. If there are no statistics how do they know how many there are?...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:22 | 4375108 moonman
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The agencies that provide services go out and count them. It is usually on the coldest day of the year and they do not see as many so they pad the numbers.

I know this is a fact

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:03 | 4373709 QQQBall
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If you like your cardboard box, you can keep your cardboard box. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 04:35 | 4374267 laosuwan
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that would be the only true thing barry ever said

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:44 | 4373715 Spastica Rex
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Pretty mild up here in the PNW. Portland and Seattle are rather attractive to the homeless, I reckon.

edit: I had some cheap gin, so now I have to tell a story.

When my kids were little, we lived in a small house in the second most densely populated neighbourhood in Seattle. One night, my son and I were sitting on the steps watching people walk past on the sidewalk - it was a common pastime for us in the evenings. A man stumbled by and collapsed at the bottom of our steps. He was absolutely covered in blood from head to toe. I asked him if he needed help (stupid question). He mumbled something about being "beat up by those fuckers up the street" and asked for a towel. I ran inside and called 911. I explained the situation to the operator. Do you know what she asked? "Is he homeless?" I said what?! She said emphatically "Is. He. Homeless?!" I said, "HOW THE FUCK SHOULD I KNOW?!!" The ambulance came 30 minutes later. By that time, the dude had wiped himself off with my towel and staggered away. Great lesson for my boy.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:46 | 4373838 fonzannoon
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Spastica, it's the stories that I come here for. Good, bad and ugly, it's the personal experiences....

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:53 | 4373852 Dr. Engali
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Yeah me too. It's not often that we get more than a one liner from Rex. Thank you for sharing.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:39 | 4374178 Unpopular Truth
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Good story

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:12 | 4374136 RafterManFMJ
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So, what was the lesson?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 02:30 | 4374167 darteaus
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"No, he's in a Klan outfit, so he's gotta have a trailer somewhere."

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:04 | 4373718 EmmittFitzhume
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Hope the statistic contains mostly bankers in the future!

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:09 | 4373719 EmmittFitzhume
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dup

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:03 | 4373720 Vice
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Will this ever stop? Or are we on a path that it continues to get worse and worse?

 

And then we have this fucking cunt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuqemytQ5QA

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:08 | 4373737 quasimodo
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I wouldn't piss on guys like this if they were on fire. I hope he gets a severe case of frost bite living in a cardboard box up in Grand Forks, ND.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:07 | 4373728 syntaxterror
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Mississippi : California

as ...

Switzerland : Haiti

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 00:13 | 4373887 22winmag
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Can I try one?

 

Massachusetts : Florida

 

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People's Republic of China : Brazil

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:06 | 4373730 max2205
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Do NYC homeless still make 75 k tax free?

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:08 | 4373738 Almost Solvent
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Jealous?

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:45 | 4373829 Hmmmmm
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Wouldn't keep them in pizza and cigarettes.

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:27 | 4373796 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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Gotta love how that liberal bastion LA takes care of the less fortunate.  What a fucking cesspool.  TooL said it best on the seminal track "Aenema": "I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied. Learn to swim. Mom's gonna fix it all soon. Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be. Learn to swim. Fuck L Ron Hubbard and Fuck all his clones. Fuck all those gun-toting Hip gangster wannabes. Learn to swim. Fuck retro anything. Fuck your tattoos. Fuck all you junkies and Fuck your short memory. Learn to swim. Fuck smiley glad-hands With hidden agendas. Fuck these dysfunctional, Insecure actresses. Learn to swim. Cuz I'm praying for rain and I'm praying for tidal waves I wanna see the ground give way. I wanna watch it all go down. Mom please flush it all away. I wanna watch it go right in and down. I wanna watch it go right in. Watch you flush it all away. Time to bring it down again. Don't just call me pessimist. Try and read between the lines. I can't imagine why you wouldn't Welcome any change, my friend. I wanna see it all come down. suck it down. flush it down"

Mon, 01/27/2014 - 23:58 | 4373865 cynicalskeptic
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Yeah.... it's great when Vegas and a good amount of Nevada puts homeless on busses to LA.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 03:24 | 4374228 are we there yet
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I just came from a business seminar in Las Vegas. It is definately more seedy than it used to be. Did not see an Elvis impersonator once. THe street performers are just poor people with bad self made costumes. One was a fat middle aged bearded man who took off his shirt with a ribbon on his chest saying 'bride to be' and charged a dollar for a gag photo. I travel america a lot and I see continued economic decline. My intuative feel is that our governmental policies for decades have squeezed the middle class dry as it grows a dependant parasite class until we are where we are now.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:02 | 4375860 Tall Tom
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"Greyhound Therapy" is what the Doctors EMPLOYED by the State Department of Health Services jokingly called it.. Arizona got caught doing that about Twenty Years ago.

 

They ended up being fined heavily from the Federal Government and ordered by a Federal Judge to spend more money on the Mentally Ill.

 

Mental Illness is still endemic in Arizona with little services available. Of course with the hot Summer Sun baking Brains within the Resident's Skulls who would expect that that kills Brain Tissue and causes Brain Damage.

 

Even though they do not succumb to Heat Stroke they do become Brain Damaged in the long term.

 

Think about it...They elected Janet Napalitano as the Governor of the state of Arizona? They must have been Brain Damaged to do that.

 

Of course because they are just a bunch of Socialists in Arizona, with the FASCIST Sherrif Joe Arpaio as a prime example, they blame that on the influx of residents from California.

 

But just like any other Socialist they will fail to take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions.

 

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