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Overheard In A Gold Vault In Singapore: "We Need Additional Capacity", China's Appetite Is "Insatiable"

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Yesterday we covered the supply side of the gold market from the perspective of global mints, which were kind enough to advise that they "can’t meet the demand, even if we work overtime." Today, courtesy of Bloomberg, we take a closer look at the demand aspect of the physical gold market, which as most know by now can be described with just one word: China.

But first, while we already know that global mints are working 24/7 and still are unable to meet record demand, in spite or or due to, plunging prices of paper gold, here is how the market looks from the perspective of one of the biggest gold refiners in the world: MKS SA's PAMP refiner in Switzerland, "whose bullion sales to China surged to a record as demand rose for coins, bars and jewelry. PAMP Managing Director Mehdi Barkhordar, who credited China’s “insatiable” appetite for a sales boost of as much as 20 percent last year, remains optimistic even as growth in the world’s second-largest economy slows. “The demand in China is off its peak, but still respectable,” he said last week."

Off its peak? Really - where? Certainly not in Singapore where the largest provider of precious-metals logistics and storage, Brink's, is adding room on top of a vault the company opened in 2012 at the Singapore Freeport building next to Changi International Airport, with a sleek, modernist lobby and a twisting, polished-steel sculpture by Ron Arad that stands 5 meters high. Inside, the gold bars are protected by prison-like barriers, two body scanners and 8-ton, fireproof gates.

Explain to us how this is "off its peak":

“We need additional capacity, so we have to take further space,” said Baskaran Narayanan, the 45-year-old Singapore general manager for Richmond, Virginia-based Brink’s. “There’s a surge in demand for precious metals in Asia, and one can see the focus and movement from the west to the east.”

 

A new Brink’s vault in Singapore set to open by March will be the company’s fifth in the city state, said Narayanan, who spent two decades in the security industry. The 154-year-old company also is adding space in Hong Kong and mainland China to meet growing storage demand, said Guy Bullen, the firm’s senior vice president for the Asia-Pacific region. Brink’s said Asia-Pacific revenue grew 12 percent to $128.9 million in the first nine months of 2013, more than any other region. Deutsche Bank said in June it started a storage facility in Singapore that can hold as much as 200 tons, its largest outside London. UBS, Switzerland’s biggest bank, opened one to keep bars for its wealth-management clients in Asia. In Shanghai, Malca-Amit Global Ltd. opened a vault in November that can store 2,000 tons, or a pile valued at $80 billion.

Oh, that kind of "off its peak" - we get it now.

Of course, the biggest paradox is that China continues to be grateful to the US momentum-investing community, which continues to dump paper-gold representations such as the GLD ETF, and as Bloomberg reports, "investor sales through gold ETPs wiped $73.4 billion from the value of the funds last year and holdings reached the lowest since October 2009 this month, data compiled by Bloomberg show. The SPDR Gold Trust, the largest gold ETP and which is listed in New York, accounted for 64 percent of global sales last year." And as a result of the ongoing liquidation of paper gold, those who couldn't care less about monthly or annual momentum-boosted P&L (so eliminate the entire US hedge fund community), and just care about buying brick after brick of physical gold at the lowest possible prices are thanking their lucky stars they have a bunch of dumb 2 and 20 chasing paper sellers to do their job for them, especially if and when the PBOC does announce the real amount of gold reserves it has accumulate over the past five years (which are now order of magnitude above the official ~1000 tons of gold last disclosed in 2009).

So going back to the Chinese demand, and the entire topic of west to east gold migration, here is what we know.

“In the western world, we’ve enjoyed a popular bull market in gold, mainly via the gold ETFs, and it appears to be over,” Morris said. “In China, there are a large number of new outlets, including many banks in the provinces, that are selling gold bars. Many Chinese people, who’ve had limited access to gold in the past, think it’s a good idea to have a bar or two as a long-term investment.”

 

The U.K. shipped 1,291 tons to the refining hub of Switzerland last year through November, more than the previous seven years combined and equal to more than five months of mine output, according to data from European Union statistics service Eurostat and Barclays Plc. Macquarie Group Ltd. says that’s a sign of the movement from west to east.

And once in Switzerland, the gold is refined, processed and sold onward to...

Hong Kong exported a record 1,108.8 tons to China in 2013, more than double the total in 2012, according to data from the Hong Kong Census and Statistics Department. Mainland China doesn’t publish the data.

 

Consumer purchases of gold in China surged 30 percent in the 12 months through September to 996.3 tons, overtaking demand in India, where usage gained 24 percent to 977.6 tons, the World Gold Council estimates. In the first nine months of 2013, China was at 797.8 tons, already eclipsing its full-year record of 778.6 tons, set in 2011, and full-year usage may exceed India’s all-time high 1,006.5 tons in 2010.

Oh, that "off the peak."  Ok then. And let's not forget that while Chinese gold demand is at an absolutely all time record high (and thank you BIS operative Benoit Gilson and Mikael Charoze for those well-timed gold slams), another place that is just waiting for the opportunity to buy as much gold as it legally can is the former larget gold buyer in the world - India.

India’s government choked off inbound shipments by raising import taxes on gold three times last year to help pare a trade imbalance that has weighed on the national currency, the rupee. The 24 percent rise in Indian jewelry, bar and coin purchases to 977.6 tons in the 12 months through September lagged the 30 percent gain to 996.3 tons in China, the gold council said.

How much latent demand is there? A lot: 'Premiums in India reached a record $160 above the London price in December." In fact, demand is so great even with restrictions, that refiners have been forced to add work shifts! Nobody complaining about raising the minimum wage here...

“India will consume gold for a long, long time because, for the Indian farmer, gold is one of his best assets,” said Barkhordar, who runs the PAMP refinery in Switzerland. “He will keep this gold for his daughter’s dowry, but he can also use it in case he’s short of cash for the next crop.”

 

The surge in orders meant some parts of the refinery worked three shifts instead of the usual two, Barkhordar said. It takes five to six working days to turn mined or scrap gold into a bar, he said. The 200 or so employees at the 110,000-square-foot PAMP facility, located about 3 miles from the Argor-Heraeus SA and Valcambi SA refineries, make bars ranging from 0.3 gram to 12.5 kilograms.

And finally, there is the biggest wildcard of all: the Arabs, who have untold wealth in fiat and otherwise electronic format that one day soon, supposedly before the markets crash and the western central banks lose control, need protection.

Trade also has expanded in Dubai. The emirate accounts for about 25 percent of global physical gold trading, and bullion demand grew eightfold in the past six to 10 years, said Dubai Gold & Commodities Exchange Chief Executive Officer Gary Anderson. The DGCX plans to list a spot gold contact this year to add to its futures offering.

The bottom line comes from Jeremy East, who moved to Hong Kong from London in June and is head of metals trading at Standard Chartered Plc. "Many of the positive drivers for gold prices in the past five years have started to disappear. At the same time, we have seen a significant increase in physical demand for gold in Asia, especially China. The expectation is that Asia is going to play a much bigger role for setting the international prices for gold and also for the whole metals complex going forward."

Of course it will, but for now it is counting its lucky stars that courtesy of ETFs, the BIS and various central and private banks desperate to make their worthless pieces of fiat paper appear valuable by manipulating the price of gold lower, it can accumulate gold at such a torrid pace and at such blue light special prices. It knows very well this won't last. However, in the meantime it will remove as much deliverable product from the paper gold market that when the real delivery demands begin (wink wink Bundesbank), then the real fun starts.

 


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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:11 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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I hope this means the Gold miners are going to catch a bid.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:17 | Link to Comment fonzannoon
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it's stuck at 1250 while the fed sexually assaults it

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:18 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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All the ones who rise to the top are preverts, one way or another.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:29 | Link to Comment zaphod
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If I had that brick of gold I certainly would not store it in a bank vault, regardless of which country. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Levadiakos
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They're building ghost vaults for ghost town dwellers.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Xibalba
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JPM has no more gold! 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:29 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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I'd like to take this moment to announce the Grand Opening of the Kris P. Kritter Gold Storage and Bait & Tackle Emporium.  I will store your gold free of charge in our state of the art fishing lake/gold vault.  We also sell beer, bait, and tackle...we don't speak Mandarin but we do have a local Chinese Buffet.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:31 | Link to Comment OutLookingIn
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lol +1

Commence message:

To: JPM

Thank you.

From: China

ps. See you next Tuesday. xo

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:56 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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"He who have most gold...

Rule world."

Chinese Proverb

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 08:15 | Link to Comment Martel
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"He who manipulates the gold... rules the World".

- Fed proverb

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:57 | Link to Comment jaxville
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The only reason Red China is seeing "off peak' demand is that the refineries that produce the kilobars for that market are having a difficult time sourcing feed. It is not a demand issue but a supply issue.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:16 | Link to Comment StandardDeviant
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Fair enough, Zaphod.  But that's not a bank; it's a private vault.  Presumably Brink's, since that's mentioned in the article, but Cisco (no, not that one) also has similar facilities in Singapore.  No doubt there are others.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Larry Dallas
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Just bought some more gold and a sprinkle of silver for good measure.

Gold is in the DNA of these wealthy countries. That's all anyone can say.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:54 | Link to Comment unrulian
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SDB 107; worst place ever to put your gold

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:48 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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"Ones" as in, on a scale from one to ten.  Jeez, do we have to hold your hand?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:20 | Link to Comment ACP
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Overhead in Jamie Dimon's office:

"Ben, we need additional capacity to short this bitch! Demand is insatiable!"

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Levadiakos
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As long as Jamie's bonus is safe we're all good here.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Levadiakos
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"Overheard"? In a Sinpaporean gold vault no less! Unsourced, undocumented hyperbole. What, this headline writer couldn't make it at HuffPost?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:30 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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That was my reaction too, and this coming from a dude who's name means that he enjoys sweet and rich foods along with meats and starches, but look out for skin disorders

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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Overheard....inquiring minds want to know.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Swarmee
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A fair amount of hyperbole dressed up as facts, e.g. "which are now order of magnitude above the official ~1000 tons of gold last disclosed in 2009".
So 10k tons in 4 years? Source please!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:24 | Link to Comment Canadian Dirtlump
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I'm more and more beginning to think that until the system has the grand mal seizure ( and accompanying incontinence ) it so richly deserves we'll continue to be stuck in the mud.

To say I'm sick of getting new assholes bored by these asshole is the understatement of the aeon.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:33 | Link to Comment negative rates
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It was assaulted by dollar bills, of which we don't have enough as the world has plenty of gold. Should the price rise and you not be squarely attached to gold, it would be your doom if you choose to stay, in the usa.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Actually I hope it stays here for a bit or gets smacked down. January has been a great month and I need to add to the reserves.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:26 | Link to Comment Deacon Frost
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I could not have put it better better myself.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:17 | Link to Comment kodachrome
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They are, I'm invested in Srikepoint gold and Mill City Gold Corp (look the stocks up yourself i'm not pumping stock symbols), i've seen 400% gains already.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:19 | Link to Comment Charles Nelson ...
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can I earn $10k a week there for only working 6.5 hrs?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:26 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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if your 18, blond and have a tight c cup... yes... those miners are lonesome you know...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:31 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Will I have to go down the shaft?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Levadiakos
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FIRE IN THA HOLE!!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:25 | Link to Comment oddjob
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Strikepoint is an area play on a Gold mine that could not turn a profit at $1800. End of story.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Levadiakos
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0.025 cents bid for 10,000. LOL

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:16 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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I hear ya brother... Amen...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Event Horizon
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"ypu're gonna need a bigger vault"

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gciFoEbOA8

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:28 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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"I hope this means the Gold miners are going to catch a bid." - no shit, but I digress, there is no "market".  Looking more and more like estabilishing an honest market for PMs will require WWIII.

 

Hedge accordingly.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 15:58 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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I couldn't give a crap. If they're not willing to pay a dividend in OUNCES of gold or silver... I will ignore them.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Damned barbarians.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:38 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Relics.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:15 | Link to Comment SgtShaftoe
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2014 should be interesting for gold.  There simply isn't enough supply to continue at today's prices.  They can bend reality, but they can't fight the laws of physics, or markets.  Eventually they lose. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Lore
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It's a mystery to me why producers don't simply bypass the blasted exchanges and SELL DIRECT. 

ARE YOU READING THIS, MINING EXECUTIVES? 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:59 | Link to Comment dogbreath
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who says they are not.   my understanding is that loans to producers are repayable in gold, somtimes not at current prices.   Are some producers hedged, likely.   So those with the gold to do so I'm sure sell into private contracts  but that doesn't mean there is price discovery.  I wouldn't trust a mining comapany to sell privately at higher than market prices without the spread being pocketed by a broker/insider.  Fuck the shareholders.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 21:33 | Link to Comment Lore
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Interesting, if cynical.  I don't think what you describe would fit the model of companies whose executives I have met, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be prevalent elsewhere.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 15:58 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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My guess: would be brown bags filled with cash.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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does anybody notice that those vaults are owned by English and American banks who are also involved in the actual goldscam?

Who says they're not also playing the flipflop game with the stuff that is supposed to be in those Azian vaults?

Do people get access over there to see the gold?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:15 | Link to Comment bill1102inf
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$1250 today, what was it last year this time??? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:22 | Link to Comment ParkAveFlasher
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<Hey, that's my bar!

<Hey, that's my bar!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:25 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Could be mine.  I can identify it.

It was big and heavy and shit.  No tungsten.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:19 | Link to Comment PontifexMaximus
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Finally you got it, the big smelters are only in one country, correct me, if I'm wrong, yesterday writing about Austrian mint is .....argent de poche....pourboire ....Check the customs stats of said country.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:21 | Link to Comment PontifexMaximus
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Not all of them

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:22 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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My appetite for gold and silver is also insatiable.

My bank account, not so much.

Given what Charles Hugh-Smith had to say about systemic fraud a couple of days ago, China may be similarly constrained.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:21 | Link to Comment The_Ungrateful_Yid
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I'm loving 2014 for Gold. For once I feel, all the bullshit and the up and downs from the past will be over by Thanksgiving. Once the weak fuckers sell all their phyzz and there is practically none left, the price will just rise and rise dramatically.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 15:57 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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when the volatility spikes to +/- $100/day regularly on the way up to 2500, drops to 2000, rises to 3500, drops to 2500 again, you won't think that.
The prices will be good for sellers but the volatility will serve momentum trades & options writers very well.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Doom Quijote
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tick toc tick toc

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:23 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Everybody lukewarm knows China is hoovering all the global gold and the FED is good with it. They're going to crush the Yankee middle class and create a multipolar NWO.

 

 

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:34 | Link to Comment Bill of Rights
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And what happens if 100 million of us don't go along for the ride? IE: NWO

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:09 | Link to Comment 10mm
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That's why China stated that the U.S. should be disarmed. Ask yourself, why.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:27 | Link to Comment ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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“The demand in China is off its peak"

 

Looks like the MSM is finally gonna start broaching the topic of Chinese demand after ignoring it all last year.  Here is a headline you will likely see in the future:

 

"Chinese gold demand falls at fastest rate ever".

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:28 | Link to Comment youngman
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They WILL build more.....and they WILL COME

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:35 | Link to Comment negative rates
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And you charge how much for admission?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Hapa
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I'm ready for the real fun to begin.  In the meantime I'll have to stifle my yawns.  This is getting boring.  Wake me up when something happens.  Zzzzzz

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Black Forest
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Would anyone please inform Singapore that I have sufficient additional capacity.

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Spanky
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They can store some at my place. Just tryn' to helpful...

[Edit] Beat me to it. Damn.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:39 | Link to Comment homiegot
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Build more vaults. Build more housing. Bubblicious.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:43 | Link to Comment balanced
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Does anyone have any idea what percentage of the claims on each COMEX ounce is held by central banks with no intention of taking physical delivery?

Isn't it likely that the vast majority of the roughly 100 claims per ounce are held by central bankers as part of their manipulation operations, as opposed to real traders possibly interested in physical.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:41 | Link to Comment akak
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Chinese blobbing-up of the golden means, and US 'american' Federal Reservism offuscation of the same golden means, are both that, the mattering things, and actually quite something.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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As the economy of the world has sent manufacturing for export to China, all the wealth created by production, value added and sales abroad is now being reflected in a gold transfer from consumer societies to producer societies. This is a logical result of real money going to real wealth creators and consumer countries wallowing in printed fiat. I believe history bears this out as the usual result of a transfer of real economic wealth creation from one zone to the other. In the end, gold is what you want to have lots of. Like in World War Two, though the west was willing to transfer important war supplies to the USSR, in order to get even more of what he needed most, trucks, jeeps and food, Stalin broke open his gold vaults and upped his purchases of these vital needs for the Red Army. When the world goes mad or to war, the nation who can tap into a well stocked gold vault usually gets what it needs. Gold is money, real money.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:55 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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in washington,new york and london we have the firepower to take anyones gold and treasure.

ask libya

ask iraq

ask norway

donte ask syria yet we still breakin that nut

qask the phillipines

rothschild takeover for ukraine

and you scum better start bailing in soon soros wills it wants it for his masters.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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GMAFB*!  I call Bullshit:

If all the AU in the world fills only ONE Olympic-sized pool, then how frikkin difficult is it to store one country's gold?  Is everybody math-challenged or just meth-challenged?

Even as a bullion holder, I swear to God (figure of speech), that  the only liars bigger than those at GS are frikkin gold shills.

* Gimme A Frikkin Break!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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It still amazes me how little space 10 lbs of gold takes up.

I saw it on a YOUTUBE video, honest.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:07 | Link to Comment negative rates
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One break, comin up.

No one ever won an argument with a false premise.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:27 | Link to Comment game theory
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It's neither meth nor math that impairs people. Everyone always talks their own book. The terms 'bullshit' and 'liars' tend to be frowned upon by economists (since both terms describe that profession fairly succinctly).  The preferred nomenclature is to write: "I strongly disagree with that macro-outlook" or perhaps "My models suggest a different outcome from yours."  

 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 21:42 | Link to Comment mijev
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That's a great observation. I wonder what all of the available storage capacity is in the world (commercial and government) in cubic meters, vs the amount actually used, compared with the cubic meters of an olympic sized swimming pool.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Rodders75
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We may hate the bastards at Goldman Sachs trying to talk down gold so they can buy more with their ill gotten gains. But it's going lower before it goes (a lot) higher. 

http://www.swingtradingdaily.com/2014/01/27/mining-shares-look-weak-is-it-time-to-buy/

Chinese demand usually ramps up before Chinese N Yr, before tailing off once celebrations get under way. Plus the Indians will NEVER loosen up on gold import restraints. 

Sorry.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:17 | Link to Comment akak
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Plus the Indians will NEVER loosen up on gold import restraints.

What is your evidence or reasoning for such a wildly unfounded, historically unsupported and frankly ignorant statement?  All logic and precedent points to them ultimately doing exactly the opposite.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:24 | Link to Comment Rodders75
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OK, old boy (assuming you are male and get British irony), I'm not sure you read what I wrote, or perhaps you need to wipe the filth off your spectacles: India has a large current account deficit. Importing gold makes financing it more difficult. Therefore the govt tries to stop that gold coming in, even if it's rather ineffective. Do you read [the news] at all?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:29 | Link to Comment game theory
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...not to mention the production numbers out of China...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:37 | Link to Comment akak
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Of course I am and have been aware of the recent Indian capital controls masquerading as gold import fees and restrictions.  My point was simply that your claim is unfounded and nonsensical, as "never" is a long time.

Oh, and by the way, how and why does importing only gold make the Indian trade deficit supposedly more of a problem, and not the importing of oil nor anything else?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Rodders75
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Ahem, old chap, gold imports and exports are part of the capital account, not the trade account. My comment was about financing the deficit. I can send you some links to good pre-school economics text books on Amazon if you like. Just say the word.

 

Also, "never" meaning not for a very, very long time (unless you are autistic and interpret everything in a literal sense) is quite possible. Govts under pressure do crazy things. Exchange controls in the Western world lasted for generations.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 23:29 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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However you yourself have stated it is ineffective. It would seem by imposing controls they have created more demand as an unintended consequence. Allaying fears, stroking egos and boosting confidence are important to prevent a stampeding herd of people. Something a fund manager and an amazing lover should know. ;-)

Miffed;-)

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:48 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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News is that no matter the account deficit gold always snaps back, governments break in the face of gold, not the other way around.
Nothing's changed in thousands of years on that.

Nixon closed the gold window in 1971 & trade deficit is insane.

Tell me how that stopped gold from flowing out of the USA to the rest of the world, much less flowing out of goverment coffers no matter the guise, loan, purpose, cover-up - it was there & now it isn't.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:17 | Link to Comment GIABO
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Its called the Golden Rule..." Those who own the gold, rule"

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:25 | Link to Comment billsbest
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So tell us O wise man, how does the Rothschild ICBC fit into the scheme of gold to China???

Forbes said that ICBC - The Industrial and Commercial Bank of China - and CCB were bumped higher in the ranks by double-digit growth in both sales and profits in 2012, although annual profit growth for both banks was the slowest rate since they went public.

ICBC brought in $36.55 billion in profits on $2.7 trillion in assets last year, while CCB earned $29.7 billion on $2.1 trillion in assets...READ MORE

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:34 | Link to Comment RhoneGSM
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So who heard it Embry or Sprott?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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Gold is one of the few things you can actually "own" in China.  Once the dumfuks on CNBC realize what is happening and why, they will realize what idiots they have been expecting demand to ever remotely slow down.  They talk about a housing bubble in China without ever realizing no one in China is even allowed to own land.  They have to rent it from the state.  There are trillions flowing into china, and there is absolutely nothing they can truly own expect gold. 

But really the main driver is global government paper collapse.  We don't need China demand.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 01:44 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Vault capacity does not equal gold in storage.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 14:30 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qO66Rmi1Mw well how's about that - thar be leprechauns in China!

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