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Russia Threatens With Pulling Bailout As Ukraine Government Resigns

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Mykola Azurov, the prime minister of Ukraine, (and his cabinet) has resigned. The move comes as the government faced losing a no confidence vote and being stripped off their power. It seems the opposition (pro-Europe) are gaining momentum once again as the Ukraine also repealed the controversial anti-protest laws that created more tension last week. The Russians are not amused and have warned that they may reconsider the $15 billion bailout offer if the current government is removed. The Ukrainian Hryvnia is continuing its collapse on this news and has dropped towards record lows (though bonds are rallying).



The opposition is clearly gaining momentum...

Mykola Azarov, the prime minister of Ukraine, submitted his resignation on Tuesday hours before he risked being stripped of his powers in a vote of no confidence in Parliament. His offer to quit was the latest sign of the building momentum of the opposition in the ongoing crisis.


In another concession to the opposition, the pro-government political party in Parliament, the Party of Regions, voted together with the opposition to repeal most of the laws in a package of rules limiting free speech and assembly the lawmakers had passed just a week earlier.




One elderly woman in a kerchief giddily told the Ukrainian channel 5 television after Mr. Azarov’s resignation, “Thank God you heard us!”

But the Russians are not happy (via WSJ):

Russia may reconsider its $15 billion bailout offer to Ukraine if the current government is removed, a senior official said Tuesday, hours after Ukraine's prime minister offered his resignation in an effort to calm a growing protest movement. "There is no decision yet, but it is self-evident," that further distributions of the loan would be reviewed if the government of Mykola Azarov was to be dissolved, the official said speaking on condition of anonymity.

However, this is far from over...

Opposition leaders have so far called the president's concessions "too little too late," and appear to be in no mood to compromise with him as protesters have seized government buildings in the west and center of the country.


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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:28 | 4374847 LawsofPhysics
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This country is deeply divided folks.  Let the civil war begin already.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:29 | 4374860 Cult_of_Reason
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What country will default first Ukraine or Argentina?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:34 | 4374884 LawsofPhysics
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Argentina already has.  I hope this doesn't spill over into Brazil, they are good customers.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:39 | 4374899 Mark Carney
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So many small fires burning everywhere and never in history have we been able to see them all spread in real time.


Interestine times we live in.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:56 | 4374976 kridkrid
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My friends maintain that the world is always like this... that my insistence that things are heading towards a dark conclussion is both conspiracy and paranoia.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:07 | 4375033 Boris Alatovkrap
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Only paranoid is survive.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:10 | 4375040 Dr. Destructo
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I'm sure many Roman citizens never felt that their empire would crumble; they probably said: 'Rome has been standing for centuries!'. They're just trying to cope by clinging onto some resemblance of normalcy.

The anticipation is bad enough, some people can party with the storm clouds on the horizon. I, on the other hand, make sure everything's 'gudugo'.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:31 | 4375388 Leaf of Tree
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Of course they didn't want Rome to fall.

Do you know why? Because they have benefited from the weatlh gathered by Roman legions through out the known world. They even took pride in their exploitation. 

To be a citizen of Rome. To kill, rape, steal, pillage in her name as a soldier in a legion was a great honour.


The same with United Stateans. They benefit from the wars. Cheap oil. Cheap gadgets made un China. Lots of fun while millions suffer in Africa/Asia. United Stateans do not care. They are citizen of the new Rome. Like the old Rome, the new Rome will fall.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:19 | 4375950 Oracle 911
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According Plato and other (Tibetan etc) sources the same thing happened to Atlantis.

Because the same sources says Atlantis were technologically more advanced as us. Something is telling me the last Ice age circa 10 000 years ago was their fault.

Philosophical question if Rome had the same weaponry as us, how would things ended?


Our situation is bleak, at best.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:55 | 4375534 Ghordius
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the Eastern part of the Roman Empire went on for 1'000 years after the Western part crumbled, half of that time as a "great power"

to put it in today's context, imagine the US crumbling during the next 300 years, then succumbing, and europe going on further 1'000 years. feel free to exchange europe for US and US for europe if this fits your worldview better

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:03 | 4375584 Herd Redirectio...
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Then perhaps the Ottoman Empire is a more fitting example.  Kept on life support for the better part of its final 70 years, until it could finally be put out of its misery 'properly' (that is, Britain and France didn't want Russia to gain territory from the Ottoman empire collapsing).

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:44 | 4375647 Leaf of Tree
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You are right.


But look at empires from a chronological point of view.

From 10000 BC up until today I see one pattern;

- all empires as time passed had shorter lives.

The Babylonians had their fun. The ancient Egypt was a couple of tthousands years old empire. Rome then was way shorter than Egypt.

Spanish, Ottoman, British, Austrian empires were each less than Rome in duration.

I doubt it the US will decay slowly in 300 years.

More like 50. Words travell way faster and easier these days. So empires will also fall way more rapidly.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:23 | 4375970 Oracle 911
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We are living at least 300 times faster then them, you can get a letter in minutes instead for 3 weeks. It won't take 300 years it will end in this decade or the next (more likely the 1st option is more plausible).

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:56 | 4376206 Hacked Economy
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Yup.  When Emperor Constantine moved the capitol of the Roman Empire from Rome to Byzantium in 330 A.D., he renamed it after himself as Constantinople (now modern-day Istanbul in Turkey).  When the Visigoths sacked Rome a century later circa 410 A.D., it heralded the infamous dissolution of the Western half of the empire, while the Eastern half - ruled from Constantinople - flourished for centuries afterward.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:09 | 4375036 chubbar
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Can someone tell me why the western half wants to join the EU? Are they completely unaware of what is going on with the other countries that have joined that union? I'm sure the system they have now sucks, but can it be that much worse than that of the EU? Is this a cultural thing or what? I don't get it. At least Russia has energy to supply them with, what is the EU going to offer them other than a dose of austerity and a hearty "good luck"?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:29 | 4375141 dcj98gst
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Being a part of the Euro "trade" group is not the same as adopting the Euro. Ukraine is not adopting the Euro.  The trade agreements would just make it hard for the corruption to flourish in the Ukraine which is their biggest problem.  Although the Russia bailouts are better short term, the long term problem is that nobody wants to invest in Ukraine because there is no security from the gov. confiscating your buisness (and it happens all the time).   My wife's cousin has to pay 70% of the profits on his buisness because the gov. thugs basically stormed the buisness one day and mandated it.  

Euro trade warrants open books and makes it harder for the government to be corrupt with the buisness.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:49 | 4375240 reload
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here in the UK my business is forced to pay the government numerous kinds of `taxes` - and if I dont they will put me in prison.

ok, ok; I know in theory it is not quite the same, but it feels the same on a lot of days.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:03 | 4375311 dcj98gst
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At least you know what you are going to pay.  Try doing a buisness model by gauging the whim of some gov thug.  

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:26 | 4377348 Hi Ho Silver
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Lot's of business here in the US doing that everyday now.

If you like your business model you can keep your business model.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:06 | 4375614 123dobryden
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in west, they not only can take business too, but they also can take your children, UK, Finland, Norway ...the greatest

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:42 | 4375206 Urban Redneck
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Are you implying that there us ANY country on this planet where national politicians act against their own best interests when there may be a conflict with what is in their nation's best interests?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:02 | 4375312 Ghordius
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no, but this is a matter of degrees. and national interest is a matter of opinion anyway. Just ask Finland why they choose to ally with Germany during WWII

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:30 | 4375443 Urban Redneck
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Personal interest, on the other hand, is often quite quantifiable, especially when one compares the base salary of a politician and his or her relatives to the financial total financial "benefits" received by supporting a given course of action.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:47 | 4375508 Ghordius
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yet I do know politicians who "do it" for... what was that word the Legalese use? ah, yes: "pro bono"

but that is our problem in all democratic setups: we ask for angelic, saintly candidates, and we get... humans. in all their variety and with all their faults

and most of us spend not more than 5 minutes a year in any kind of political activity, " 'cause it's dirty"

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:04 | 4375603 Urban Redneck
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There's a simple fix- no salary, no expenses reimbursement, and full financial disclosure for any elected politician.

Politics should be neither a full time job nor a career.

And if the clown hasn't demonstrated financial competence with their own accounts to underwrite their public service, why should they be entrusted with the public purse?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:41 | 4375781 Ghordius
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oh, your proposal would piss off many of our european social democrats, who maintain that the "simple man from the street" should be eligible to a political career without having great generational wealth to live from

you expose yourself to possible criticism from the "unwashed masses". who like their candidates to be "someone I could imagine drinking a beer with"

joking aside, how does an unexperienced non-career politician get a grip on a full-time-career state employee / civil servant ? 

(just thinking about the hilarious "Yes, Minister" series)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 15:29 | 4376384 Urban Redneck
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It would be hard for either the sheeple or the sheep shearers to continue to drink the Kool-Aid if there was a big turd floating in the punch bowl and they could longer lie to themselves about either the dirty nature or the money polluting the political process.

Joking aside, the non-career politician isn't (usually) inexperienced in managing "things" or getting "things" accomplished/delivered. Furthermore, why wouldn't the trial-by-fire that does work in the private sector also work in the public sector?

There were at least half a dozen times in my previous corporatist life that I walked into a big place with no real idea WTF was going on, or who was responsible for what, and I managed to take over and get control of things (since the investment bankers and consultants usually walked away before the ink was dry on their checks).

Back to joking, there was this hilarious time when one of my former employers went and bought a company that actually had a nationwide business selling and maintaining complex electrical machines (as opposed to complex paper financial products). TPTB decided that the new toy/company's headquarters, and staff, and pension expenses were no longer needed, as they would cut into TPTB's stock option slice and the added expense would also reduce the unit value of their reduced volume of options, and since there was going to another earnings call in three short months time, time was-a-wasting...

So Mr Redneck got called into the board room and told to grab and team fly out immediately to the west coast and be the "face" of the executive team and deal with any issues that arise as the wage slaves learn that they now need to look for new jobs, their severance packages aren't the golden parachutes that we talked about and which will be issued to those who fly first class on the shareholders' dime, and the most expensive per capita/GDP healthcare insurance in the world is absolutely UNaffordable to an individual wage slave when there is no company picking up the other 50-90% of the insurance policy cost.

And the kicker, before granting freedom to all the recently acquired wage slaves, and chaining the doors, and calling the real estate broker-- Mr. Redneck was supposed to figure out and document how they built, sold, serviced, and managed this nationwide network operation, because Mr. Redneck was also going to be responsible for getting the streamlined/in-shored operation up at running at corporate HQ before actually returning to corporate HQ himself, and if all of this wasn't done by the next time the CEO and Chairman had to face questions from those tiresome junior wall street anal-cysts, Mr. Redneck should just plan on not returning to corporate HQ...

Civil service reform is needed world-wide and the obstacles and complexities to legislating those changes in the first place exceed the difficulty in actually implementing them, in my (rarely humble) opinion and based on my (private sector) experience.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:09 | 4376542 Ghordius
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a pleasure. it's always a pleasure to read from you. had similar experiences, I call it financial poisoning of the economy

my half-harted defenses shattered, I agree with you. worth repeating:

Civil service reform is needed world-wide

Quality - not quantity - in legislation

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:52 | 4376745 tip e. canoe
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really wish the two of you would write a joint article on the swiss political syatem: its features & flaws, and how best to design a 2.0 version adaptable to other more heterogenous cultures.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:31 | 4376882 Ghordius
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Flaws? The Gnomes have 4 main languages, nearly 30 semi-sovereign states, cultures galore, full direct democracy, council-style gov, full parliamentary system with multi-party electoral system, MILITIA army, no federal police, etc. etc. No need for 2.0 "to adapt, there is practically nothing you can't just copy from them, IMO

ok, they are losing bank secrecy...

Perhaps I'll write it and UR can lead the criticism

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:52 | 4377193 tip e. canoe
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looking forward to reading both sides

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:20 | 4377031 Urban Redneck
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That would be interesting, but largely because there is so much that we actually disagree about. But that also raises an interest argument in favor of the utility and diversity of and (what at least used to be) Fight Club. The civility smooths over some differences allows for a more thorough exploration of an issue, but the whack-a-mole cage matches amplify and expose the key differences that are unresolved between participants (or ideologies). You need both. Otherwise, you wind up with the intellectual equivalent of CNBS group-think.

* * *

Free Francis Sawyer.

* * *

The amateur holocaust deniers (and Francis wasn't actually a holocaust denier) running free these days are silly, boring, in addition to factually and logically challenged, but we could really use a good laugh at the irony and a discussion of the Cheesepopes implementing the 1934 Bank (Secrecy) Law in response in Adolph Obama's own FATCA Act... And how the ignorance and systemic education failure in contemporary Switzerland has obscured knowledge and truth in an ill-conceived pursuit of political correctness and consensus... And how the greedy zionists complaining about the protections afforded all depositors under the Banking Law motivated the Cheesepopes at the SNB to do exactly what former FRB Chairman Volker didn't want central banks to do several years before he chaired the Volker Commission... Which is why Switzerland has more gold than Germany... Or heaven forbid an exploration the taboo topic of Zionist-on-Jew Crime since it's the relatively small share of Black-on-White crime that grabs all the headlines these days (or to jump head first down the rabbit hole and address the cases of zionist-on-zionist crime such the case of Kastner and countless others).

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:12 | 4377053 Urban Redneck
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Always a pleasure, just be sure convince your MEP to take you out to lunch on his expense account before actually fixing the system over there, the three-star culinary orgy is always fun and the grotesque display of the willful and wanton waste of the the workingman's tax dollars will double your resolve to see it through.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:48 | 4375231 Joseff Stalin
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Most Ukrainians have no knowledge of what is really going on.  At best they watch TV news.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:05 | 4375330 dcj98gst
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Uh wrong. They get most of their "news" from the internet. Only not gov run news station is channel 5 which was recently shut down (by the gov thugs). They know the real news is not on TV

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:40 | 4377387 Joseff Stalin
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Internet use in Ukraine is

33.7% of the population (2012)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:18 | 4375094 TheMeatTrapper
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This country is deeply divided folks.  Let the civil war begin already.

The article is about the Ukraine - not the US. 


Oh, what - they are too? 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:12 | 4375362 Mister Kitty
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Russia sucks.  On the other hand, Ukranian women are very pretty and stylish.  So my money is on Russia for the victory.  The ugly always seem to triumph.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:28 | 4374848 Occident Mortal
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This kind of stuff is happening more often... right?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:49 | 4374938 Unprepared
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no, it's just an impression due to greater media coverage. </sarc>

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:28 | 4374849 Ivanovich
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Just the opening act.  Get comfy.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:28 | 4374855 youngman
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This is a fight between the Russians..many of them live in the Ukraine..and the locals...they have smelled freedom and do not want to lose it again....

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:01 | 4375006 kridkrid
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Maybe. Or it could be a fight between various elite thugs fighting it out with proxy thugs. The Russian crime syndicate vs. the IMF crime syndicate. KGB vs. CIA. Or something like that... or nothing like that. But fighting for freedom by throwing themselves into the arms of the EU? Not sure how well that will turn out.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:30 | 4375726 Ghordius
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nobody "throws themself into the arms of the EU". it's a damn club. of nations. the whole "catch me" notion is silly

and since below all the comments are purely dualistic in the usual black/white manner:

Poland, Lithuania and others are lobbying for the EU deal with Ukraine

Sweden and the UK are assisting (no don't ask why Britons are for enlargement and against staying in the EU, it's a British thing)

France, Italy, Germany and many others are torn between being against or just shutting up and being quite skeptical

add on top of that the US/CIA and Russia/KGB, and you have the usual multiple agendas bitching that we call our continent

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:48 | 4375811 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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No response to the no pay for the political class post above leads to believe your constant support for the Euro has much more to do with your fucking pocket book than anything else ....talking your book and that is the only reason... it is so much better to steal from people right?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 16:11 | 4376556 Ghordius
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am I supposed to guess why you dislike the EUR? tell me, how would europe look like without the EUR?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:44 | 4377390 Joseff Stalin
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KGB is now FSB. Not to be confused with FRB.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:12 | 4375057 Dr. Destructo
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I don't know about you, but typically I'd stay away from the E.U. after seeing what happened to Ireland and Greece, and what is happening in the U.K..

I'm sure if the Ukraine enters the E.U. they'll regret it before long.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:20 | 4375101 Leaf of Tree
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You people live in the "anglo news world" where the EU is about to crumble any day.

In 2001 one pound was 1.65 Euros.

In 2014 one pound is 1.14 Euros.

All that Murdoch press is bad for the brains.

Truth is, life for the average Irishman is 10 times better than the average Russian/Ukranian/Bulgarian/Romanian/Pole.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:34 | 4375166 dcj98gst
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Ukraine is not Greece. Greece and the PIIGS has had their problems before joining the Euro currency.  The trajedy of the Euro is the "currency" issue not free trade.


Ukraine is not adopting the Euro.  They are just entering a free trade agreement with open visas with Euro countries.  They will still use the Hryvnia.  In the long run this will help the systemic corruption that has plagued Ukraine.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:51 | 4375249 Joseff Stalin
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Ukrain is easily conqured.  The border between Ukraine and Russia is a line in the steppe. There is no river or mountain chain defining a border. When you look out over the steppe you can not tell where Ukraine ends and Russia begins.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:20 | 4375404 Leaf of Tree
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The Ukranians are hardened people.

They survived the Holodomor. They will survive any imagined-in-your-brain-invasion komrade Stalin.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:32 | 4377542 Joseff Stalin
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Ukraine did not survive the Holodomor. The ones that knew how to make a profit farming were killed off.  The best and the brightest were killed off. Only the ones of lesser intelligence were allowed to live.  They make excellent workers/slaves.

Stalin acted under orders from the Rothschilds, just as Franklin D. Roosevelt acted on Rothschild orders when he signed Executive order 6102.  The gold went to the FRB, owned by the Rothschilds.

The Rothschilds paid Marx and Engels to write the Communist Manifesto so they would have an ideology with which to overthrow the Tsar. They hired apostate Jews from Germany to organize the Bolshevik Revolution. This was to establish a central bank in Russia.  The Tsars of Russia had long opposed a central bank.  In the War of 1812 the Tsar of Russia came in on the American side because that war was engineered by the Rothschilds to force a central bank on America.

Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin were financed by the Rothschilds and Russia was controlled by the central bank.  They followed Rothschild orders, as did all American presidents from Woodrow Wilson on.  On his death bed, Woodrow Wilson said he unwittingly destroyed his country.

International bankers make money financing governments.  The greater the debt, the more interest they make.  In times of war, they finance both sides, and increase interest rates.  The loan agreement includes a clause stipulating that the victor assume the debt of the loser.  They lend more money to the side they want to win.

All wars since the American Revolution were engineered by the Rothschilds. During the American Revolution, the Rothschilds made money supplying Hessian soldiers to King George.  They made a commission on each soldier, and collected a life insurance settlement on each one that died.

At this point in time they have half the world's wealth.  There are only two countries in the world, the Rothschilds and all the rest.


The first phase of their plan was to gather all the wealth.  The next phase of their plan is to exterminate all other races except their strain of Jews.  They do this by engineering wars between nations, ideologies, races, and sects.  And they finance the creation of ideologies that peoples will go to war over.


The whole reason that America and Russia are enemies is because the Rothschilds engineered it to be that way.

And so it is with Ukraine.  Someone pays the protestors.  Is smells like a replay of the Bolshevik Revolution. 


 Executive Order 6102.  It is an executive order signed on April 5, 1933, by U.S. President Franklin DRoosevelt "forbidding the Hoarding of gold coin, gold bullion


the Ukrainian genocide that began in 1929 with the massive waves of deadly deportations of Ukraine's most successful farmers (kurkuls, or kulaks, in Russian) as well as the deportations and executions of Ukraine's religious, intellectual and cultural leaders, culminating in the devastating forced famine that killed millions more innocent individuals. The genocide in fact continued for several more years with the further destruction of Ukraine's political leadership, the resettlement of Ukraine's depopulated areas with other ethnic groups, the prosecution of those who dared to speak of the famine publicly, and the consistent blatant denial of famine by the Soviet regime.

 "I was just following orders"

    ----Joseph V.Stalin

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:30 | 4374859 Temporalist
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I see those Ukranians don't care if it's winter...unlike US consumers, home buyers and workers who won't leave their homes for "weather".

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:21 | 4375100 michael63636
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They have no jobs.  They have been living in this weather all their lives.  The small children play in the snow all winter. They are used to the cold.

USA pays the protestors. US wants to put in missile bases in Ukraine on the Russian border.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:50 | 4375252 Ulterior
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russia should be nuked and pushed over ural mountains where it belongs

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:30 | 4374861 robertocarlos
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What's that game called where there are no possible winners?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:34 | 4374873 Temporalist
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Silly person, under the new governing rules of fairness everyone is a winner!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:34 | 4374879 Billy Sol Estes
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Command and Conquer: Tiberian Dawn?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:11 | 4375059 unrulian
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End Game

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:18 | 4375085 kridkrid
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:46 | 4375223 Joe A
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Nah, the wife usually wins. Men do not die earlier than women for no reason.
Wify reall wins when the marriage ends in divorce.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:23 | 4375117 CPL
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Third party introductions.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:43 | 4375211 Joe A
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:45 | 4375222 CPL
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lol!  None of you can afford one.  Not anymore.  Can afford everything else but that.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:49 | 4375242 Joe A
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War was often considered an option as a distraction of 'cannot afford'. It takes away the attention of economic woes. Now with all the nuclear armament lying around everywhere it only takes a few mad men. And history has shown that world is full of those.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:51 | 4375255 Joseff Stalin
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Ben Dover

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:29 | 4377358 jerry_theking_lawler
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you mean tic tac toe....or Global Thermonuclear War (aka wargames)?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:33 | 4374867 Bearwagon
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Yanukovych is in a double bind now. If he gives in to the protesters - he's toast, but if he has them shot down and this thing ended by force, he will be a helpless puppet of Putin. So, yes, looks like civil war it will be.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:37 | 4374869 Leaf of Tree
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Fuck Putin and Russia.


I'm from Romania. I've met as an immigrant in the West many Eastern Europeans like myself.


Not one had any love for Russia.

For countries like Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Hungary, Serbia, Poland, Slovakia, you can choose:

1) - slaves to Russia

2) - slaves to the West

Slaves to the West beats slaves to Russia anytime.

Sure, I love it when Putin laughs in Obamao's face. Doesn't mean I like Putin and his KGB oligarchy. Nor Russia.

But I feel bad for the common Russian people. Between cheap vodka, krokodil, Putin's iron fist rule, cold weather. I feel for them.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:41 | 4374902 LawsofPhysics
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Correct analysis.  Locals are stuck between two oligiarchys, they should tell them both to fuck off.

My lead mechanic is from Romania.  His parent and brother still live there.  Completely self sustaining and will fight to keep it that way.  Want nothing to do with the bullshit either side has to "offer".  He came here, learned English and earned his citizenship.  Great person and damn good mechanic.  The U.S. could use a few more like him.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:53 | 4374941 Leaf of Tree
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Russians during their history were invaded by Mongols, Tartars, Turks, even French and Germans invaded them. Somehow they became too paranoid because of this.


Romania and others in the Balcan area had to fight the Russians, The Austro-Hungarians and the fucking Turks during centuries. And still we are not that paranoid.

Even in Serbia life is not that  fucked-up in the brain like in Russia.

Go to Croatia or Slovenia if you want a nice vacation. Relaxed people. Even Transylvania could be nice to visit. Wtf is there to visit in Russia, except the beautiful Syberia where there are no Russians for miles?


Life in Russia is fucked up. Russians need to be less paranoid. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:00 | 4375003 johny2
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According to you, they should give up their country to the nice people from the IMF and Rotschild controled central banks, like Romania has. And work to pay the rent and mortgage, like a good romanian.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:14 | 4375065 Leaf of Tree
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80% of Romanians have no mortgage. They own their house.

Most have an urban apartament and a house in a rural area. 


You are too blinded by RT propaganda how the West is this "demonical satanical NWO" and "Rassiah  is the white virgin Neo Byzantine Christian  empire".

Both are whores.

All it matters where is the average citizen better? In Poland for example or nuclear armed Russia?

In Ukraine or Romania?

In Moscow or Dallas?


RT is propaganda the same way CNN is propaganda. Just that in RT propaganda nowadays there is more truth when compared to CNN. But it still remains propaganda.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:26 | 4375110 johny2
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the reason for romanians having houses without mortgage is thanks to the fact they used to be part of the soviet union, where this was common.

The number of the mortgages is growing exponentialy, give it 10 years, and most of them will be with the mortgage. They will have nice cars for some time, and clothes in exchange. And everything of the value will be property of the companies from west, and the banks.



Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:36 | 4375177 Spanky
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RT is propaganda the same way CNN is propaganda. Just that in RT propaganda nowadays there is more truth when compared to CNN. But it still remains propaganda. -- Leaf of Tree

Well said.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:11 | 4375350 Joe A
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People in former Eastern Bloc countries and in the former Yugoslavia could afford a house in the city and a 'Dacha' or 'Vikendicha' on the country side during communist days. They cannot afford that nowadays unless you want yourself to get hooked on a mortgage. Not wise in these times.

Not that I think that communism is great, quite the contrary. A socialist economy with 100% employment rate where you cannot fire people even if they rob from the company is destined to fail. Socialist economy unlike capitalist economy had no access to unlimited credit. That situation is in the West also over now.

But as a Serbian friend of mine says: "During the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia I made 1200 D-Mark working as a bank clerk and I had free health care and education for my whole family. Now I make 300 Euro and nothing comes free. But hey, now I have freedom".

You are fucked either way.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:06 | 4375611 johny2
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Tyler should post the graph showing correlation between longtitude of Rotshchild controled central bank in various countries, mortgages and renters, 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:41 | 4377607 Joseff Stalin
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RT, CNN, all media controlled by Rothschilds.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:40 | 4377601 Joseff Stalin
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All except 3 countries are controlled by central banks.

Only 3 countries left w/o ROTHSCHILD Central Bank!

Only 3 countries left w/o ROTHSCHILD Central Bank!



The Rothschild family is slowly but surely having their Central banks established in every country of this world, giving them incredible amount of wealth and power.





In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:







North Korea



It is not a coincidence that these country, which are listed above were and are still being under attack by the western media, since one of the main reasons these countries have been under attack in the first place is because they do not have a Rothschild owned Central Bank yet. The first step in having a Central Bank establish in a country is to get them to accept an outrageous loans, which puts the country in debt of the Central Bank and under the control of the Rothschilds. If the country does not accept the loan, the leader of this particular country will be assassinated and a Rothschild aligned leader will be put into the position, and if the assassination does not work, the country will be invaded and have a Central Bank established with force all under the name of terrorism.





Rothschild owned Central Bank:


Central banks are illegally created private banks that are owned by the Rothschild banking family. The family has been around for more than 230 years and has slithered its way into each country on this planet, threatened every world leader and their governments and cabinets with physical and economic death and destruction, and then emplaced their own people in these central banks to control and manage each country’s pocketbook. Worse, the Rothschilds also control the machinations of each government at the macro level, not concerning themselves with the daily vicissitudes of our individual personal lives. Except when we get too far out of line.




The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family were:





North Korea



The Attacks of September 11th were an inside job to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to then establish a Central Bank in those countries.





The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:



North Korea



After the instigated protests and riots in the Arab countries the Rothschild finally paved their way into establishing Central Banks, and getting rid of many leaders, which put them into more power.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:53 | 4374957 Ban KKiller
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Yes, agreed. Here in the West we can choose between masters...Wells Fargo, Bank of America, Citigroup, etc. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:34 | 4377582 Joseff Stalin
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KGB is now FSB.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:33 | 4374876 Billy Sol Estes
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Kiev is 1700km away from Sarajevo but it will do for now.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:32 | 4375162 ThirdWorldDude
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Kyiv is less than 300 km away from the russian border, unlike Sarajevo that has the bad luck to be over 1400 km away from said point of interest...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:35 | 4375165 ThirdWorldDude
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:34 | 4374877 BallsWoodman
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Time to impose a heavy grain tax on the peasants until they hunger for Putin's rule. Lets call it Russian tough love.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:35 | 4374881 Billy Sol Estes
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Let them eat really, let them eat it, it is all they have.

I'll be here all week folks.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:33 | 4374878 Smiley
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All the BIG wars start in Europe; always.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:24 | 4375115 GeezerGeek
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If you were Chinese living in China in the latter part of the 1930s you might have a different outlook. Japan wasn't a particularly nice invader, and they didn't leave China willingly.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:50 | 4375248 Billy Sol Estes
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All the cool ones hipsters talk about anyways

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:09 | 4375884 Smiley
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1st–10th century AD 11th century 12th century 13th century 14th century


15th century 16th century


17th century


18th century


19th century


20th century


21st century
Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:34 | 4377370 jerry_theking_lawler
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Man, long list of wars, etc.....would be almost twice as long if you put US sponsored wars in the list......

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:36 | 4374883 DeliciousSteak
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Putin is just learning that he is facing a master of deception, a brilliant strategist, one of the greatest minds of the new century. President Obama. They gave him easy victories in Syria, gave him a sense of strength regarding Iran. And now they strike at his left eye, and they're going to finish the poor bastard off by ruining his multi-billion Olympics.

Fuck you Putin.


President Obama

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:25 | 4375125 GeezerGeek
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P.S. Tired of my hurting your fists with my face?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:53 | 4375260 Joseff Stalin
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Obama mama worked for CIA setting up honey pot traps. He is a product of the CIA.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:44 | 4375489 Herd Redirectio...
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And his momma worked for Tim Geithner's dad!  You can't make this shit up...

And his dad is a Chi-town commie, Frank Marshall Davis, which could have ruined his political career before it started, hence they hired that black man from Kenya, Obama Sr. to play the role.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:36 | 4374887 dcj98gst
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Country is divided between pro Russia vs pro Euro.  But not so much on the current regime.  


Even the pro Russian East are fed up with Yanukovych.  It seems that even if you stand for the Russian free trade you still like your natural freedoms.  

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:50 | 4377640 Joseff Stalin
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Ukrainians are fed up with all their leaders and civil servans and police.  They are thieves.  Ukrainians are poor because of criminals in positions of public trust have stolen so much from them, in addition to excessive taxation.


  1. Ukraine rape draws outrage over official impunity - Yahoo News
    Yahoo! News 

    Jul 21, 2013 - Ukraine rape draws outrage over official impunity ... Reports of policeabuse ranging from horrific violence to quiet bribery have risen sharply  ...

    Gang rape spurs protesters to storm Ukraine police station
    USA Today 

    Jul 2, 2013 - KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Protesters hurling firebombs stormed a local policestation unit in southern Ukraine after authorities refused to detain one ...

    Outrage in Ukraine over police accused of raping woman | Fox News
    Fox News Channel 

    Jul 2, 2013 - MYKOLAYIV, Ukraine (AFP) – Several hundred protesters stormed apolice station in southern Ukraine on Tuesday after authorities failed to ...

    'I wanted to die': Police gang rape case ignites Ukraine — RT News

    Jul 3, 2013 - Protesters have stormed and burnt a police station in southern Ukraine, outraged that authorities' did not place a policeman suspected in the ...

    Furious Ukrainians storm police headquarters after officer accused ...
    Daily Mail 

    Jul 2, 2013 - Furious Ukrainians storm police headquarters after officer accused of beating and gang-raping woman, 29, remains free. Irina Krashkova, who ...

    Ukraine police disperse protest over rape case: media | Reuters

    Jul 18, 2013 - KIEV (Reuters) - Riot police dispersed a protest in central Kiev early on Friday over last month's rape of a woman who accused police officers of ...

    Protesters angered by rape, storm police HQ in Ukrainian town ...

    Jul 2, 2013 - KIEV (Reuters) - Ukraine's president ordered a top-level inquiry on Tuesday after a night of violence in a small southern town in which people ...

    Ukrainian Villagers Say Alleged Police-Rape Case Just Tip Of Iceberg ??
    Radio Free Europe/Radio...  Jul 9, 2013

    VRADIYIVKA, Ukraine -- Locals in the south-central Ukrainiantown of Vradiyivka have suspected something ...

    Ukraine: two police officers named as suspects in rape case ... ?? › News
    Euronews  Jul 3, 2013

    world news - A second police officer has been named as a suspect in a controversial Ukrainian rape case, in ...

    Ukraine Protesters Storm Police Station After Alleged Brutal Rape ...
    The Huffington Post 

    Jul 2, 2013 - KIEV, Ukraine — A police officer suspected in the brutal gang-rape of a young woman in Ukraine was detained Tuesday after protesters ...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:37 | 4374892 Kaiser Sousa
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Euro Slaves in training...

enjoy servitude and serfdom...


The MoneyChangers

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:41 | 4374907 Leaf of Tree
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Euro slaves this, Euro slaves that.


Please do tell where do you live. I hope is not USA with cheap oil, nor Western Europe with nice social safety nets and free health care.


I hope you live "free" from the shackles of Western bankers in ...Cuba. Or North Korea. Or Venezuela. Or Argentina. Or Syberia. Or China. Or Zimbabwe. Or Turkmenistan. 


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:58 | 4374991 Leaf of Tree
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Not that I'm for Zionist banking scam.


Just that you in the West have no idea how great you still have it. Still.

Go live in Russia for one fucking year, earning 15,000 USD a year. All you Putin in-the-closet-fan-boyz should go live in Russia.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:30 | 4375145 Dr. Destructo
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It's not how great you have it today it's about whether or not you'll still have it tomorrow.

That's the point.

Right now the few great things we have are being taken away by speculators, money printers, market manipulators, lobbyists, unrepresentative politicians, and people who believe deficits do not matter. Can the impending crash can be stopped? No. So as much as I'd like to be appreciative that I don't live in Russia I'm very certain that no Russian would want to be caught here in the west when the SHTF.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:02 | 4375309 Leaf of Tree
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You American Catholic-derived neo-protestantism eschatology.

Always fearful of the Apocalypse.

The Revelation of St. John in Orthodox Christianity is not that important. The Apocalypse for an Orthodox believer is tomorrow. Yes. Next day. We always need to be prepared.

You could learn something from the Eastern Christianity churches.


Who gives a shit if the scammers ruin your economy? They are able to ruin it because of your indolence and apathy. If you are prepared you should not worry one bit. That's what Orthodox Christianity teaches.

See, do you realize, all of you so called wanna be libertarians, that your fear of the fall of the Beast (the financial system), is betraying the fact that you actually have benefited from the system and want the system to continue?

If you are a true libertarian, you should be glad that the Beast will soon fall. And you should be prepared. 

A true pepper doesn't fear chaos. He welcomes it. He welcomes change because he is preparred. Those who fear that the system will fall, are those who benefited the most from it.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:46 | 4375502 Herd Redirectio...
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Yes, we are prepared.  But we all have friends and family who are NOT prepared.  That is the real source of anxiety, not the worry that the economy is on the road to ruin.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 09:59 | 4379321 Dr. Destructo
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Just because some of us prep doesn't mean we want everything to crash and burn. Does any rational person want riots, a police state revealing itself, starvation, and misery among the people? Most rational people want things to be relatively stable and peaceful within one's civilization so that their children can grow up without knowing violence and turmoil. Also, what's all this noise about 'if you're a true prepper blah blah blah'? I won't make any bones about it: One has to be pretty stupid to not fear the chaos ahead. Fear is a rational respect for the threat, mixed with the right amount of caution, motivation, and you still have the ability to make decisions, but terror is not only irrational, but you completely lose control of yourself and the situation. If you don't fear the chaos, then you really don't know shit.

You might want to re-think what it means to be a prepper and a libertarian.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:54 | 4375266 Joseff Stalin
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Most of the Ukrainians are Slavs, a word derived from slave.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:37 | 4375460 Ghordius
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"Slavs, a word derived from slave" - you are sporting the wrong avatar and nick for this old Nazi propaganda

the word slave is derived from the Latin sclavus. it is not proven that the word slav is in any connection with sclavus. some of the oldest sources point to a connection to Sclavonia aka Slavonia, which is a very small region in modern Croatia, yet they are full of anachronisms, and so quite dubious

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:57 | 4375553 Herd Redirectio...
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Its well known that the Scythians were a powerful 'Ancient' tribe, living in what is today Ukraine/southwest Russia. The name has been translated as either: "Giants" or "Catchers".  Now, you do understand catching in this case means... Catching humans?  Catching slaves?  Catching livestock.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:11 | 4375638 Ghordius
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eh? where you you make that connection? current consensus is that Scythian means "shooter". as "...of arrows". and no, they were not Slavs

Wed, 02/26/2014 - 21:40 | 4482994 vened
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Scythians are Proto-Slavs

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:19 | 4375949 vened
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Slav is from word "slava" which means glory.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:57 | 4375271 Kaiser Sousa
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i've spent the last 7 years withdrawing from the debt and death paradign to greatest extent possible...

I've converted every dedbt coupon dollar and debt coupon dollar derivitive into the only 2 forms of real money...

i feel ur pain for either neglecting, or being unable to do the same...and understand that this is the source of your anger towards me....start today if u can...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:51 | 4377645 Joseff Stalin
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The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:



North Korea


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:23 | 4375116 dcj98gst
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Being a part of the Euro "trade" is not the same as adopting the Euro. The trade agreements would just make it hard for the corruption to flourish in the Ukraine which is their biggest problem.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:37 | 4374893 NoWayJose
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Here is to hoping that Ukraine will tell the big Russian and EU and US banks that hold their debt - f*ck off. Then switch to a balanced budget and new currency. Anything less and the Ukrainian people might as well go back to debt servitude under a czar. The alternative is to become another Greece.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:39 | 4374897 Spungo
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Countries around the Black Sea = most stable region ever

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:53 | 4374922 Leaf of Tree
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Actually some countries are quite stable. 

Romania. I'm from Romania.

Romania is quite an example in the area of stability. Maybe it's because we are not  slavs. Latins (not that beeing Latins is great).

I don't know. But not all countries in the Black Sea area are rife with conflicts.


Bulgaria too is stable. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:58 | 4374985 Terp
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Hey, now that you mention it: Could you keep your gypsies instead of sending them here?

Many thanks in advance, sincerely


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:08 | 4375014 Leaf of Tree
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Now that you mention it Germany, no we will not keep our gypsies in Romania.

You, Germany, started WW2, lost it, then created the EU (Reich 4.0), accepted Romania in the EU, so now you have to put up with gypsies.

In any case gypsies are only 5% of Romania's population. You might be one of those inbread Germans that works on a 600 euro a month mini-job, because his Siemens job just got outsourced to China, and is pissed off that now has to compete with Romanians.

Sucks isn't, all this Reich 4.0 and Arbeit mach frei ain't?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:02 | 4375292 Canucklehead
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Gypsies are Egyptians, from way, way back.  Byzantine trade routes around the Black Sea moved a lot of people.

Maybe the inclusion of the Ukrainians into Europe closes the circle:

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:09 | 4375338 Leaf of Tree
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Gypsies are from somewhere between india and Pakistan.

They entered Western Europe in Spain and claimed to be Christian pilgrims coming from Egypt do they could get help from the locals.

Hence the word gitano/gypsy.


They entered Eastern Europe coming from Turkey and they were called tigani, atinzgaroi who in Greek means the "untouchable ones" because they were so called wizards/magicians and were not to be dealt with.

Gypsies have nothing to do with Egyptians. Nothing.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:49 | 4375511 Herd Redirectio...
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You have failed, Leaf of Tree.  Gypsies and Egypt quite clearly share a common past.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:59 | 4375560 Ghordius
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read again. the story/myth/legend is that they claimed to be from Egypt, which was a country many Christian fled at that time

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 14:13 | 4375913 Canucklehead
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Gypsies were Egyptian Christians who fled Egypt's Muslim conquests back in Byzantine times.  They settled around the Black Sea area, and migrated from there.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:58 | 4377456 Rafferty
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You have only to look at these parasites' facial features, dress, and morality to realize they originated in India/Pakistan.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:57 | 4374989 Debugas
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Bulgaria had protests in Sofia over electricity bills not long ago. Almost forced their government to resign ...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:02 | 4375008 pazmaker
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Romani is part of the EU no?   I saw something today about a dispute between the Romanian President and Prime Minister over an IMF aid deal of 4 billion Euros.


What are your thoughts on this?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:07 | 4375024 Leaf of Tree
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Theatrics for the population. IMF deal is a done deal.

This year is a presidential elections year. President is conservative-right-pro-West and prime minister is an incompetent socialist in-the-closet-Lenin-adorer. They put on a show. That's all.

Both wil do as the IMF overlords dictate.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:43 | 4375196 Son of Captain Nemo
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Yo said it.  And the profile that exists for Romania will soon be the model for Ukraine if the EU has it's way.

Every citizen will be bleeding out the ass the old fashioned way under the yoke of a compound interest they will never see paid off in their lifetimes.  America's work on Latin America with "United Fruit" under the Dulles boyz and the tried and true recipe of systematic abuse through monetary controls continues infinitum!

How stupid do these fucking ethnic Ukrainians have to be begging for a seat at the EU table when they see the jobless rates in "Euro" land countries especially for the ones trying to find jobs?

Don't get me wrong. I think Yanukovych has made his bed and should have been addressing the economic crisis much earlier, but at the end of the day there is no future or hope within the EU.  For that answer just as the people in the EU what a party it is right now!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:42 | 4375210 Vuvuzela
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Vorbesti pe NAS ca totzi romanii ne-educati.

All EE is owned by the tribe and not by the russians

Do not try to throw the dead cat in other peoples yard

EX. who owns the Gold MInes in Romania which were mined for 1500 years ? Russians ? i dont think so

Who is the Head of Romania Central Bank the imbecil that Trade Marked his wines ?

I dont need any commnets from you but i want to point only one thing:

If putin wasnot the president of Russia world would be a total different place today. I'm not a Putin   fan

but to no try and distort the reality becaused you romanian and when you wake up in the morning you thinkyou know more then others about Eastern Europe or your native country


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:51 | 4375250 Leaf of Tree
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Macar engleza mea de needucat este mult mai buna decat engleza ta. Patetic si trist esti tu, rusofilule.

Unde este tezarul Romaniei bai rusofilule, daca tot vorbesti acum de aur?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:57 | 4375276 Vuvuzela
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Ask Lenin and Trosky where the romanin gold is

As i recall the pay back amount to the American banks was 150 million dollars in gold for a 20 million dollars in gold loan

Pe bune dute citeste istoria si poate mai invetzi ceva

Your history class might start here


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 22:58 | 4378207 Joseff Stalin
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If you do not count Georgia, Dagestan, or Chechnya...invaded by muslims.

A large number of murders in Russia are committed by Dagestani males. They always get away with it because muslims in positions in the system can obstruct justice to the benefit of the muslim killers.

Here is a sampling. These are translated from using google translate.  Click the links to get the full story, and use google translate from google chrome browser. The word order is different in Russian.  Google translate does not rearrange the word order.  Some of the sentences have opposite meaning because of this.  The first headline means the Dagistani man that killed a Saint Petersburg man may go unpunished, as example.


Click on the links to get the whole stories.

Krasnodar. = All 9.Piter. Dagestanci_ubivshie_pete / Dagestani killed petersburger may go unpunished August 8, 2012, 17:21  134  61797 A month after the murder of Dagestani 26-year-old St. Petersburg builder Andrey Katkov native killed not recognized as victims, the murder weapon has been found, and of the ten attackers arrested only four. Detainees behave arrogantly and your not guilty. The point is actually falling apart, and hides his prosecutors Vasilyeostrovskaya


9. Peter. 01/29/101 / Death Kochneva at KAD: From suicide to suicide 29.01.2013 15:01 Degree of Public Outrage markedly Increased When it Became known Driving A Hyundai That WAS the FPS Officer - Deputy Head of jail number 6 Alexei Zonov, and participated in the events of the driver and passenger stopped Kochnev "Lada Priora" - visitors from Dagestan, brothers Abdullayev. 
10.Krasnoyarsk. novosti/news3989 / 07.12.2012 Dagestani killed Russian guy for what he slipped badly Tags: Caucasians Taken from here . 11.g.Podolsk. news/id9237.html In Dagestan killed Podolsk Russian Man


12.Stavropolsky Edge. russkogo-parnya-3-marta-v- nevinnomysske-sovershili-ne- kavkazcy-neozhidanno/ Kill Russian Man March 3 Nevinnomyssk committed not "Caucasians." Unexpectedly? 28.03.2013 00:32 2 814 Alex Marcus blogger Original recording: http://trayan-creator. "Another Murder in the Stavropol Region in Caucasians Nevinnomisk" - That's  13.Rostov. Aleksandra-Terekhova-v- Rostove-vskolykhnulo-volnu- protesta_10801 Kill Alexander Terekhov Rostov shook the wave of protest Will march on the Garden fans of "Spartacus" 13.Stavropol. 2013/04/11/mezhnatsionalnye- otnosheniya-v-rossii/708305- gortsa-prichastnogo-k- ubiistvu-russ Highlander involved in the murder of Russian boxer arrested. But he was not wielding a knife


14.Murmansk. 2713558980/content/587030 Another murder Daghestans Russian soldier


Vij nl napisala July 1, 2010, 12:48  "Russian man killed Dagestani." means a Russian manwas killed by a Dagestani.  This will be aparent when you read the article. Kill Again. 
evening August 23 Kovalenko with his friend went to talk to the cafe 
"Phaeton" Morozovskie city. Approached them two women, with one of the 
guys who were acquainted, asked whether it is possible to sit down at 
the table, because they do not give the rest Caucasians, as well rested at this 
institution. Guys were not opposed. Soon their table was approached by two 
Caucasians and asked the guys in the rough shape and in a raised voice come out 
to the street to talk to, they refused. Persons of Caucasian nationality 
strongly unsuccessfully to provoke a conflict, then left, but, 
as it turned out, not for long. 

"Persons of Caucasian nationality" means muslims.  The muslims conquered The Caucasus /?k??k?s?s/ or Caucasia.  They now come from there to commit murder, rape theft and crimes of all sorts. One of here crimes involves five muslims in a car. They ram a car with a woman driving alone.  They all get out and intimidate her and demand a large sum of money, claiming she caused the accident.  Since there are five of them and they all lie under oath, there are five witnesses against her.  Then they pull her out of the car and gang rape her. Then they kidnap her and sell her into sexual slavery. Or they cut her throat and video tape her murder.  When a Russian man comes to her aid, they kill him by stabbing him in the heart five times.  They say the Russian man committed suicide.  They get away with this because more learned muslims have infiltrated Russian society as coroners, police officers, generals, ambulance drivers, doctors, lawyers, paramedics...

So the muslim coroner files the report as a suicide to cover over the murders committed by his fellow muslims.  If the victim arrives alive at the hospital, the muslim doctor will cut the femoral artery and bleed the victim out and say he did all he could, but it was hopeless.  The muslim ambulance driver will take his time getting to the crime scene, and to the hospital, thus ensuring the victim dies.  The muslim paramedics will sever the femoral artery and bleed the victim out so he dies on the way to the hospital.

They do this in America, Sweden, England, all Europe, Egypt, all the world.  Where ever they invade they use these tactics to conquer all other nations.  All nations that are now muslim nations were conqured this way.

in America every document has to be reviewed by the muslim brotherhood. Everything offensive to musims has to be removed, even from the FBI TRINING MANUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Source: Ex-policeman died after being beaten by Caucasians


Preparation of new shares of radical youth in Moscow provoked the death of former policeman Maxim Koltsov victim during a fight with Caucasians, said a source in law enforcement agencies on Tuesday. The source explained that on January 1 in a cafe on the Ash Street fight broke out, during which the head injury was a young Muscovite ring.Doctors to assist him and released, but the next day his condition worsened and he was hospitalized. "Ring fell into a coma and died early morning of January 7," - said the source, reports"Interfax" . 18.Yamal. news/20-03-16-03/1003570.html In Yamal Court ruled in the case Dagestani to death scorer employee "Rosneft".Prosecutors intend to seek the abolition of the sentence


Muslims lawyers inflitrate the Justice system and become procecutors.  They dismiss all crimes committed by their fellow muslims.


19.Piter. priezjie-dagestancy-ubili- peterburjca-u-metro- Primorskaya-58733 / Newcomers Dagestan killed petersburger at underground "Maritime"


1039623:09 | 09.07.2012 | Chronicle accidents 21.05.2013 The Case of the stabbing in Nerekhta, nearly caused the ethnic unrest, brought to court novosti/news4506 / Tags: Caucasians The murder case of a resident of Nerehta Kostroma region, which occurred during a fightwith the young people of Caucasian nationality, nearly a year after the tragedy to court.Instigator resonant incident that led to ethnic tensions, has been recognized only one of the two young men, whom locals believe the culprit and provocateurs. Generally the muslims out number the victim 5 to 1.  They attempt to pick a fight with the victim.  Then they kill him claiming self defense.  And they have five witnesses to prove their side of the story.  They also intimidate any other witnesses. They gang rape the women and tell them they will cut off the heads of everyone in their family.  The government authorities do nothing about it.  It is the same in England and America and Sweden.... 28.04.2013 In Moscow detained a Dagestani, Eighth raped on the street novosti/news4455 / Tags: Caucasians , Moscow Police officers detained visitor from Dagestan, who raped a schoolgirl in the south-east of Moscow, reported "Interfax" on Sunday, a law enforcement source. According to him, on the eve of the 8th grade student of a Moscow school called the police.According to her, on Saturday around 7:00 MSK. unknown young man of Caucasian appearance raped her. The crime happened right in the square near the fountain "Music Glory" a few hundred meters from the metro station "Kuzminki". "Within 30 minutes after treatment on suspicion of committing the crime, was detained by police nowhere working Dagestan native born in 1990," - said the press service of the State Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia in Moscow. He was found in a snack bar near the metro. He got away with this one too.  The authorities did not want tooffend the muslim community. 17.Piter killed Ivan Potashova in the center of St. Petersburg


In the center of St. Petersburg Caucasians Russian Man beaten to death This is reported by relatives of the victim in the net 05/24/13 11:35 440208.html showthread.php? t = 52699 & page = 1 23-year-old from St. Petersburg was beaten by Ivan Potashov evening of May 21 at the metro station "Vladimir" (near the church at 21:00, with a large number of people) group of Caucasians. Received multiple head injuries, man died in hospital on May 23. Central district of St. Petersburg police looking for witnesses a fight: they are asked to call: 573-48-80, 573-50-58. If you guys know of any witnesses that saw this murder, please call that number.  Yeah, right. 18.Moskva. novosti/news4718 / 28.07.2013 
UK police investigating the beating relatives Magee arrested for rape Investigative Committee opened a criminal investigation into the police beating a crowd of a dozen people in the conflict near the market "Matveevsky." The incident was captured on camera. The report UK nationality are not specified, but vaguely described what is happening. In GU MVD reported more details: security officer was hit with brass knuckles and is in intensive care, it is prepared for a complex operation. The report in the UK happened Matveevsky market is described as: "July 27, 2013 in 16 hours and 50 minutes ... unknown to impede the lawful activities of senior detective ATC Company paid police several punches and kicks, causing bodily injury as an open craniocerebral injury . The policeman was taken to hospital. " Which explains why the police let the muslims gang rape their women and murder their men.   They get away with it in America too, for the same reasons.  They have been using these tactics for 1400 years.
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    Jun 2, 2013 - The sex trafficking gang has attacked and threatened the witness to be gang members who sold girls in Minnesota, Ohio and Tennessee.

df I managed to contact a friend of Maxim, Andrei, who was next to him, that's what he said:"July 21, we sat in the cafe" Cocktail Bar "Maxim suddenly approached by a Caucasian and began to voice their discontent, and absolutely groundless, say, he did not like how he dances, he offered to withdraw from Maxim bar and talk privately, Maxim went, I also later went outside. A few minutes later I heard a scream and ran Maxima to him when ran, saw that he was lying unconscious, covered in blood, Caucasians, who beat him at once fled, one of them struck me, however, is not strong, I quickly called police and ambulance. I was next to Maxim, Caucasians fled, and police arrived half an hour later, an ambulance even later. " 19. Moscow People's Assembly and the pogroms in Biryulyovo Participants of the national gathering in Moscow's Western Biryulevo smash mall "Turquoise". People gathered on the site of the brutal murder of 25-year-old Egor Shcherbakov, and then part of aggressive citizens went to the store. 
Note that the head of the Metropolitan Police will personally supervise the investigation.Police promised one million rubles for information about the killer. echomsk/1176330-echo / 20.Moskva.Avtopodstavy. 2013/07/03_a_5410869.shtml 03.07.2013, 20:49 | Anatoly Karavaev Arrested for beating a biker in Moscow four Caucasians argue that the conflict between them and the Muscovite, for which interceded motorcyclist provoked herself. Allegedly threw the girl into their car goby, and then another and arranged an accident, fleeing from the accident scene. In this testimony of detainees at variance with what is seen on the video hassle. Police said the detainees do not believe and suggest that they are specifically provoked the conflict with the girl, professionally engaged avtopodstavy.
Bikers and Caucasians have converged in an accident Metropolitan Police detained three Dagestani and Chechen suspects in the attack on a biker who interceded for the girl. After the incident, several ... ?

  ATS staff "Printers" provided several journalists, among whom was the correspondent of "Gazety.Ru" video conflict, which reflected its final part. Pass on the Third Ring Road (TTC) a motorist in a 40-second spot, filmed on a mobile phone, fixed, as young people are hitting the bat twice biker, who has decided to intervene in the conflict and the road stood a girl. In this case both the impact applied to the back, where the fallen biker tries to get off the ground.
Detained after a fight with a biker testify Police suspect in avtopodstavy four natives of the Caucasus, who were detained after being beaten at the Third biker ... ?

  Sam 21-year-old young man spoke convincingly enough, did not hide his eyes, and tried to convince journalists of his innocence. However, some of the present members of the media reacted to his words very skeptical, noting that the version of events in his mouth sounds like a well-learned homework. 20.Pyatigorsk. crime/2013/10/04/V_ Pyatigorskye_chyec.phtml In Pyatigorsk Chechen killed a resident of Bashkortostan because of bad jokes in the sauna text: / published on 4 October '13 21:34 After some time out of the sauna, two residents of Bashkiria, arrived in Pyatigorsk on earnings. One of them asked a Chechen (what seemed like - with a smirk): "What, do not let you?" He was offended and showed the Bashkirs their weapons, but guests Pyatigorsk was not deterred. "Then he fired into the air, and after a buddy," - said the representative of the TFR. Chechen residents of Bashkiria shot right in the head. One of the men died, the other is in serious condition in hospital. Its the muslims, stupid.  To paraphrase Bill Clinton. since 1990 just the welfare fraud committed by muslims in Europe is 800 billion USD. In the USA, the welfare fraud committed by mexicans is 500 billion a year.  In Sweden they burn down a school a week.  Multiply this by all the nations in Europe.  Add the cost of all their other crimes.  Add the lost production of the honest hard working men they murdered. At to this their acts of sabotage.  About 50,200,000 results (0.31 seconds)  Search Results

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7500 Germans have been murdered by muslims since the Berlin wall fell. Tough shit for them.  Angela Merkel holds a state ceremony for 10 murdered muslims.  Probably guilty of many of the 7500 murders of Germans by muslims.

7,500 Germans Murdered, 3 million Attacked By Muslims

It has been estimated that 7,500 Germans have been murdered by ‘aliens’ (mainly Muslim Turks) since the Berlin wall fell in 1990. The German media and politicians are silent about this. In a backlash nine immigrantswere killed in Eastern Germany between 2000-2006. The deaths of a few kebab sellers has gained objection and shock through the country, and condemnation from politicians while 7,500 names of victims to Muslim violence is kept fully silent – and no one objects.

But it doesn’t end there. Apart from approximately 7,500 murders there are 3 million violent attacks by German Muslim immigrants on the natives since 1990. Each week 7 are killed by mainly Muslim immigrants and about 3,000 Germans are subject to some form of physical abuse or assault per week by Muslims. Needless to say, the Muslim violence against Germans is fueling support for right-wing groups.

Let’s put this in perspective: More than twice the people have been killed by Muslim immigrants in Germany than the combined number of U.S. soldiers and UK soldiers killed in Afghanistan. Do we read about it in the papers? Have you heard anything at all about this fact?

Economies in USA and Europe have crashed as a direct result of the muslim and mexican wars of conquest. They invade our countries, breed like rats, having 8 kids per woman, all paid for with welfare fraud, rape all the girls in the land, steal our cars, steal our jobs, murder our men, kidnap our children, gang rape them murder them or sell them into sex slavery, and commit every sort of crime they can imagine. All in the name of mohamed and Allah.   They lay out their plan of conquest openly and boast about it.  Many videos of these boasts exist on youtube.  See for yourself. I think we can add the two welfare fraud costs together, 500 billon a year since 1990 for the mexicans,  24 years, that comes to 12 trillion dollars. Plus 800 billion for the muslims, that's 12.8 trillion dollars taken out of the economies of Europe and USA by welfare fraud alone by mexicans and muslims.  I think we can estimate the economic cost on our economies by these two enemies as at least 10 times their welfare fraud cost, or at least 128 trillion dollars.

 You can not cause that much damage to the economy without destroying it.  Its the mexicans and the muslims, stupid. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:47 | 4374898 Dr. Engali
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Let's see which oppressive central planning group of bureaucrats fascist will we align ourselves with? Decisions decisions.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:41 | 4374912 KidHorn
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I wonder what effect this will have on the olympics.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:54 | 4374951 youngman
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What does the Ukrainian MOB want?????  They are big players in this game too

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:26 | 4375711 TPTB_r_TBTF
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The Ukranian Mob wants open borders with Europe,

so that they can freely trade Girls for Euros.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:59 | 4375857 Son of Captain Nemo
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Yep.  Those Zionist Boyz sure love to abuse them, just like here in the U.S.

Why wouldn't the Ukranians be beating a path to the EU!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 10:54 | 4374962 One And Only
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We should bomb the fuck out of the Ukraine and thrust upon them peace and freedom.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 17:41 | 4376918 Joseff Stalin
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Good move sherlock.  Ukrainians love everything American. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:22 | 4375105 Son of Captain Nemo
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To Mr. Soros and the rest of the NGO/Trilaterlal Commission Team -Job well done!

More controlled terror and chaos for the masses, deliberate destruction and waste of your money and everyone elses time.  I bet you have some wonderful things lined up for the party next door to your latest project when the opening ceremonies commence.

Be careful old man.  As my father use to say when I was a small child

"The eyes are bigger than the stomach"


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 11:23 | 4375124 post turtle saver
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the Ukraine is the breadbasket of Europe and has the second largest military in Europe (second only to Russia)... if I were Ukrainian, I'd tell Russia and anyone else dangling bailout money on a stick to go fuck themselves... screw you guys, we're going to default and reorganize, build our infrastructure out, and get back to the business of agriculture that we know Europe desperately depends on... if you don't like it, come on over and try to do something about it fuckers... we'll fertilize the fields with your bodies and mix your blood in our mortar as we rebuild... it's about time some Cossack genetics manifest themselves in the people again, this is great to watch... showing up to protests wearing medieval armor??? hell yeah!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:03 | 4375310 Typing Typer
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What if Russia nukes them?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:25 | 4375418 Typing Typer
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Ha ha. How can someone down vote a question? That's funny.

The road to hell is paved with saying "Don't ask that!"

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 12:51 | 4375522 Herd Redirectio...
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War is about material gain, territorial gain, strategic gain, not 'Lets turn the rest of the planet into Scorched Earth'.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:10 | 4375580 Typing Typer
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Nice! An actual answer!

Another poster stated that Russia would use nukes before they let the pro-Russian half of Ukraine side with EU, so I wondered what others thought of that.

But I guess even Putin will bow to the inevitable if Ukrainians really win, over the pro-Russian half. Plus, Russia is an old country so they may just think "Well we'll get it back in centuries to come."

I also don't think Russia would nuke Ukraine for siding with EU, I think that would be a bizzarely inhuman reaction. But then, so was the forced potatoe famine.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 15:11 | 4376302 Son of Captain Nemo
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Between Countries that have weapons that can destroy that "planet" between each of them 1000 times and many more?...

Depends I guess on the game of "chicken".  Who starts "it".  And who finishes "it"!

Lets just say I'm pretty confident  that the greatest of all military superpowers The United States of America will regret that it ever dropped those two bombs on Japan in 1945 when it starts the next game of "chicken"...

How bad do you want it?!!!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 15:31 | 4376392 post turtle saver
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well... what if Ukraine nukes Russia? you may want to look at all the MIC that Ukraine brings to the table... they aren't a bunch of peasants running around with sickles...

edit: btw, I up voted you since it is a somewhat valid question

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:15 | 4377063 Joseff Stalin
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Following the breakup of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited two divisions of the Strategic Rocket Forces43rd Rocket Army(HQ Vinnytsia): the 19th Rocket Division (Khmelnytskyi) (90? UR-100N/SS-19/RS-18) and the 46th Rocket Division atPervomaisk, Mykolaiv Oblast, equipped with 40 SS-19 and 46 silo-mounted RT-23 Molodets/SS-24s.[30] Ukraine voluntarily gave up these and all other nuclear weapons during the early 1990s. This was the first time in human history that a country voluntarily gave up the use of strategic nuclear weapons, although the Republic of South Africa was dismantling its small tactical nuclear weapons program at about the same time.

Ukraine has no nuclear weapons, according to wikipedia.  You should have checked Ukraine's millitary inventory before asking that question.  

It is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 13:50 | 4375826 SmittyinLA
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naa, Russia just has to turn off the gas & oil spiket, they can always sell to the whole rest of the world for gold or for land or stuff and let the EU die a slow starving debt death at the tyranny of an angry young Muslim welfare parasite mob. 

Russia has the EU by the balls as long as they retain their nukes they can defend their energy rights. 

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