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SocGen's Exuberant Response To The Turkish Action: "Governor Basci, You Have Avoided A Domino Crisis In EM"

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SocGen, via analyst Benoit Anne, had an almost immediate reponse to the Turkish central bank's shock and awe action. Here it is:

Hats Off To The CBRT


The CBRT did not disappoint tonight. The CBRT just announced a massive 425bp rate hike. Governor Basci, you have avoided a domino crisis in EM. The policy response to severe financial stability risks was punchy, aggressive and credible. An amazing job overall. The CBRT is now back in the game after going through a few tough weeks during which its credibility was heavily challenged by emerging market investors. Is Turkey out of the woods? Not quite of course. There are still two major issues. On the domestic side, the political environment continues to be quite challenging, with little sign this will improve anytime soon. Meanwhile, the global  backdrop remains quite challenging for GEM at this point, and we are still very much in the middle of our Doom phase. So while the CBRT has done a great job at containing financial stability risks, there is going to be more work to do. In any case, I definitely feel much better about the TRY, at least on a tactical basis. Hence we just entered a long TRY/ZAR targeting a tactical move to 5.10. The TRY crisis is over.

So... a 3% drop in the S&P from all time highs, a $10 billion taper, and the world was on the verge of an EM "domino crisis" - is this your centrally-planned stability? Of course, tomorrow the Fed will taper another $10 billion: do we repeat the entire exercise from square one then?

As for the "TRY crisis being over" let's wait to see what the "popular" response is to this epic rate hike first thing tomorrow when Turkey awakes, shall we, and let's revisit the TRY crisis in 2-3 weeks when the country's housing market crumbles, when the economy grinds to a halt and the political crisis goes from worse to worse-est.


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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:51 | 4377183 jubber
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...sorry but haven't they created a Domino effect, surely every other EM will have to follow suit , if not their currency will be next to be Bernankeed???

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:58 | 4377220 Grande Tetons
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SocGen, how French of you to pick sides after the battle. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:02 | 4377223 Cult_of_Reason
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Re: The TRY crisis is over.

This is fucking hilarious. The crisis is over. Really? Uber high interest rates are fantastic for the economy. Really?

Get the fuck out of here!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:00 | 4377232 CH1
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So, raising rates is the answer!

Wonder how that'll play in DC.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:07 | 4377261 john39
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seems like just a few months ago, Turkey was gripped by riots triggered by nothing noteable, other than long term pent up anger at the government.  certainly this move couldn't provoke a similar or worse reaction... 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:10 | 4377266 JohnnyBriefcase
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Apparently this type of action makes everyone want to sell their gold.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:28 | 4377355 Occident Mortal
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This isn't a rate hike.

This is crucifixion.

4.5% to 10% ?? What does that do to a variable mortgage? Triple it?

How many retail outlets can survive that kind of violent repricng?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:15 | 4377514 Scarlett
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what socgen means is "fuck yeah borrow yen long Turkish bonds; fuck the japs and fuck these turkeys too"

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 01:40 | 4378710 X_mloclaM
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The central bank had moved ahead of other emerging markets to adopt experimental measures designed to curb hot money inflows while maintaining a free-floating currency regime...The result, at least so far, is a soft landing for Turkey rather than the boom and bust scenario that was threatening to unfold.
Wed, 01/29/2014 - 01:44 | 4378713 X_mloclaM
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This guy is sick, gold at the commercial banks, Halkbank movin Au weight cross borders, no visa, 2 feed Iranian housewives (as they could store wealth outside or fiatski rial), erdem basci, you can have it in 2015 too:::::

Central Bank Governor of the Year 2013 The Banker Editors | 02/01/2013 9:33 am

The Banker's Central Bank Governor of the Year awards celebrates the officials that successfully steered their countries through the economic turbulence of 2012.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 01:45 | 4378718 X_mloclaM
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as his hand was forced anyways, might as well go big, with a nice cover (good for sentiment)

seems like Turkey is playin both sides (just as their geographical location may coincidentally? indicate)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:11 | 4377281 edotabin
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Yeah, that's why they announced it at midnight LOL

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:21 | 4377330 negative rates
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Generally speakin they are, if you have money. If not, kiss your ass is grass, and i'm a lawnmower.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:15 | 4377515 OC Sure
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"Uber high interest rates are fantastic for the economy. Really?"


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:59 | 4377225 WayBehind
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The US economy would collapse just by hiking the overnight rate by 1% ... can you imagine double digits?

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 00:15 | 4378522 OC Sure
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My imagination exceeds you; the US economy would not. Please quintuple US interest rates now (or, at least release them and let them go)! Then, you will understand what the US economy is.

Laissez-nous Faire.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:01 | 4377235 kaiserhoff
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Wait until they see the spike in defaults this will inevitably bring.

And of course, money won't flow to the highest bidder, as in out of the EU's overleveraged, about to be bailed in hedge funds, er, cough, cough, banks.  Whatever the hell a bank is these days.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:10 | 4377500 Matt
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How does this compare to Volcker, and what were the results of his rate hike(s)?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:29 | 4377570 kaiserhoff
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Opinions will differ, but that was mainly to kill off inflationary hangover going back as far as Vietnam.

Worked surprisingly well given the scale, but real estate was a mess.  Valuations were good, even cheap, but to get a deal done you had to do seconds, thirds, wraps, warps;).  I had a good friend who was the creative financing guy at a large S & L.  Lost all his hair and started selling insurance instead.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:32 | 4377573 thelibcentury
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Asking for straightforward facts, while using the internet.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 21:40 | 4377806 williambanzai7
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:51 | 4377184 Fix-ItSilly
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So Turkey goes the way of Greece.  How historically fitting!

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 02:19 | 4378766 X_mloclaM
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pledged countries gold to get more euro loans rolled for eurobankers?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:52 | 4377186 kill switch
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The CBRT did not disappoint tonight. The CBRT just announced a massive 425bp rate hike. Governor Basci, you have avoided a domino crisis in EM.



You gatta be shiting me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:53 | 4377187 AreaMan
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:53 | 4377188 BullyBearish
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"If you'd like a 425bp rate hike you can't have a 425bp rate hike!"

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:52 | 4377190 lasvegaspersona
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I say there is an excuse for 'taper delay' or the tapered taper...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:06 | 4377258 El Hosel
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Carefully remove the tip of the Taper, wipe it off, put it in Jannet's back pocket for safe keeping.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:54 | 4377201 Rainman
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Turkey is really a black swan fixing to land.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:10 | 4377275 kaiserhoff
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Or a moose, looking for a windshield.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:12 | 4377276 joego1
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Black Turkey on final to two niner advise no landing gear down.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:27 | 4377346 kaiserhoff
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Is that better or worse, than no nose gear down?

Hard to know, isn't it?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:34 | 4377368 unrulian
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ffffttt. Black Turkey you are clear to crash; please navigate to the most heavily populated area...over

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:55 | 4377205 HpDeskjet
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Bullish for TRY, well... yes... But what about turkish growth? (and EM/world growth in general if more countries take similar measures?)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:12 | 4377285 Pareto
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This could surprise.  Strong currency position - implies real savings and investment to real productive areas of the economy.  Input prices will be cheaper providing more flexibility on top line pricing.  I mean isn't that what we preach here at ZH all the time?  Strong currency implies real interest rates >0....much greater.  Intertemporal choice finally has a an interest rate vehicle that actually allows this to work!.  Now there is an incentive to save and steward wealth rather than borrow and piss it all away.  So rapid price inflation and total capital dislocation, v. "suck it up butter cup" price deflation and now, adding color, a new incentive to save, providing capital to and for entrepreneurial pursuits.


I'm simplifyinh, but, whats not to like?



Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:18 | 4377316 reload
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And in the meantime.............anybody want to buy a house?....a car?.......anybody?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:08 | 4377498 Pareto
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Well,  prices fall.  rapidly.  isn't that what we want?  In the absence of a Volker move (which is what this is), what was Turkey's solution?  I agree its tought times for a bit, but isn't this where the least productive assets exchange hands to the more productive?  When you protect your currency, its an asset reset, not a currency reset.  Isn't this what we want?  As ZH'ers isn't this what we believe?


I mean, if I am wrong, then what the hell are we doing here?  Either one is in favor of strong currency policy, or, you are a Keynesian.  So, which is it?  What do we want?  In some sense, the answers I've read so far are discouraging - that this was the wrong move.  I can't help but think it was their ONLY move.


Somebody tell me I'm wrong.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:38 | 4377593 thelibcentury
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Being in favor of having a "currency policy" is rather Keynesian, wouldn't you say? Strong and weak currency approaches beget each other, because at the end of the day they are dictated by a small number of people with inevitably incomplete knowledge of the system.

No policy, now that's the ticket!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:54 | 4377656 kaiserhoff
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I think letting the market price interest rates, housing, and everything else is what most honest people want.

Now finding a politician, central banker, or economist who agrees with that may be difficult.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 03:48 | 4378871 highly debtful
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I understand your point, but I think we are now in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation. Like I said in a post somewhere else some time ago: "this isn't the eighties or Paul Volcker anymore".

I don't have to explain to this crowd what will happen if the Fed continues its policy of near zero intrest rates, because we're all waiting for the hangover when that party comes to an end. But I suppose we all know equally well what will happen if the Fed would "do a Volcker" at this point and substantially hike up the rate --> that would be a death sentence for US sovereign expenditure - the national debt would become impossible to service in no time. So to make a long story short:

I think we're stuck, period.  



Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:52 | 4377654 Wahooo
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The price of Iranian oil on the black market priced in lira.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:58 | 4377670 mobydick
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What's not to like, you fucking moron? Regular people and businesses paying 4.25% more than they did the day before.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:54 | 4377206 Truther
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Basci......Go fuck yourself.... you MORON

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:55 | 4377207 jcamargo
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As if nothing bad happens when you raise interest rates 4.25% overnight.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:45 | 4377398 ThirdWorldDude
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Look at the bright side, at least Erdogan is turning into a truther:

"Mr Erdogan had sounded a defiant note earlier on Tuesday, vowing that the economy would continue to grow despite attempts at “sabotage” and that the beneficiary would be the population as a whole, not the elites.

Speaking ahead of the extraordinary meeting of the central bank’s Monetary Policy Committee, Mr Erdogan said the economy’s recent troubles were the result of a conspiracy.

“I want those who can’t stand our success inside the country and abroad to know that over the last 11 years the economy as been based on solid ground,” he said, accusing unnamed foes of seeking to damage his government by weakening the economy, partly by using the international media. “The Turkish economy will not be driven down by sabotage...”


On a serious note, someone is getting really desperate to light the fuse in the ME.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:56 | 4377209 dominmoscow
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I assume this is the same Benoit Anne that was screaming "SELL EVERYTHING IN EM" yesterday? 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:56 | 4377215 Frank -THE COIN -
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George Soros just turned his Bloomberg on.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:58 | 4377217 lordbyroniv
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This aint gunna end well.  :(

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:58 | 4377218 icanhasbailout
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There is no interest rate in Baghdad.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 18:59 | 4377221 doggis
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:02 | 4377231 Goldilocks
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INSANE Domino Tricks! (Hevesh5 & MillionenDollarBoy) (3:53)

275,000 Dominoes - Enjoy Your Life (Guinness World Record - Most dominoes toppled in a spiral) (10:01)

Guinness World Record - Longest / Biggest Domino Line Ever (3:49)

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:04 | 4377241 Rainman
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:07 | 4377249 MsCreant
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Move along, nothing to see here. Move along now...

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:09 | 4377268 MsCreant
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:06 | 4377252 Son of Captain Nemo
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I just had the worst dream...


Can you Top This in the realm of the "Nightmare Gallery"!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:06 | 4377257 joego1
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What? The Cry Crisis is over?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:07 | 4377260 Iam Yue2
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On EM;

The slump has been “fun to watch,” Thomas Stolper, the chief currency strategist in London at Goldman Sachs Group Inc., said by phone Jan. 24. “

Fun to watch the poor getting poorer, eh, Thomas.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:09 | 4377262 Ness.
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Only in a centrally planned world can US Durables collapse, but a after close rate rise in fucking TURKEY rallies the snp over 25pts from the lows.


Well done you worthless cocksuckers.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:15 | 4377303 Rainman
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I don't think the machines have been programmed to do that yet

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:09 | 4377264 xamax
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A quick solved crisis..... The world economy is defenitely a House of Cards

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:10 | 4377267 RobinHood73
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Another WTF bullshit propaganda brainwash that all -is roses- so- i- can- silently-and legally- extort- all your money comment from another evil bought, corrupt bankster 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:11 | 4377269 huggy_in_london
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sycophantic, emotional bank analyst... what do you expect.  "Phew, job saved for another week"

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:12 | 4377279 FieldingMellish
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... and look at gold go!..... down.... down .... down.... Huge rising wedge in gold with a sub $1000 target.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:13 | 4377289 MsCreant
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:15 | 4377298 FieldingMellish
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First triple digits, then double.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:14 | 4377283 Smuckers
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What a strange sensation it must be, to wake up with your balls in a garlic press. 

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:15 | 4377297 MsCreant
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Do margin calls come in on telephones?

And does the NSA listen?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:39 | 4377382 kaiserhoff
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All I'm sure of is that Jamie and The Lloyd get a cut of everything.

Kind of Indonesian, isn't it?

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:20 | 4377327 syntaxterror
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If the FED issued a 425bp hike, the DOW would drop to 10,000.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:29 | 4377356 huggy_in_london
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Nah, dow would drop BY 10000 !!

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:36 | 4377374 mightybillfuji
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There wouldnt be a DOW. Just an OW

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:26 | 4377351 Frank N. Beans
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"...we are still very much in the middle of our Doom phase..."

this may be just the beginning

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:37 | 4377376 gwar5
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SocGen: I heart rate hikers


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:39 | 4377378 The_Prisoner
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I wonder if JOYFUL is still living there.

It would be good to get his view of how the common folk over there will react to this.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:40 | 4377383 John Law Lives
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It is amazing how this move is being heralded.  It is not as if Turkey announced the creation of a few million new good-paying jobs that will stoke consumer activity and boost GDP.  This move involved bureaucrats adjusting interest rates on fiat currency.


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:42 | 4377604 thelibcentury
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:58 | 4377458 Wait What
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bwaaa haa haa haa!! Turkey sacrificed a battalion to give the impression it still stands a chance in the war.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 19:59 | 4377459 Dadburnitpa
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I think perhaps that this dilweed Basci forgot one little variable in his equation.  The Turks.  You know... those people over there who don't have a reputation of suffering this sort of shit gladly.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:53 | 4377660 Wahooo
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They'll go full Muslim on him.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:13 | 4377504 OC Sure
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Tue, 01/28/2014 - 20:53 | 4377653 EconMania
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They are just responding to the problem of capital fleeing from the country.  Where will the money flow to ? Back into the UST, I suppose. The problem lies in cheap money coming out from US, UK and Japan ( China ? )


Tue, 01/28/2014 - 21:01 | 4377678 mobydick
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What is a bank these days? A whore house, a casino, a money launderer, a manipulator of all things incl politicians, regulators, auditors, precious metal markets, interest rate markets, forex markets, energy markets, commodity markets, property markets, stock markets, bond markets….in fact just about anything that can be manipulated will be manipulated. Okay, the real economy doesn’t jump when we say jump, but we are working on it and should have it fixed real soon. S&P at 1800 doesn’t lie.

Tue, 01/28/2014 - 22:35 | 4378112 mijev
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Currently 4.30am in Turkey. A few hours from now, things will get interesting.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 00:40 | 4378586 Its Only Rock N Roll
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Governor Basci, You Have started A Domino Crisis In EM


there....fixed it

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 05:49 | 4378966 Kiwi Pete
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I thought the flight of capital from Turkey was due to the President canceling the ant-corruption drive

(22 Jan 2014

So how come it's now all about the Fed's Taper?

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 07:40 | 4379068 eucalyptus
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....only to open an internal crisis from spiking rates, good luck.

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