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SocGen's Exuberant Response To The Turkish Action: "Governor Basci, You Have Avoided A Domino Crisis In EM"
SocGen, via analyst Benoit Anne, had an almost immediate reponse to the Turkish central bank's shock and awe action. Here it is:
Hats Off To The CBRT
The CBRT did not disappoint tonight. The CBRT just announced a massive 425bp rate hike. Governor Basci, you have avoided a domino crisis in EM. The policy response to severe financial stability risks was punchy, aggressive and credible. An amazing job overall. The CBRT is now back in the game after going through a few tough weeks during which its credibility was heavily challenged by emerging market investors. Is Turkey out of the woods? Not quite of course. There are still two major issues. On the domestic side, the political environment continues to be quite challenging, with little sign this will improve anytime soon. Meanwhile, the global backdrop remains quite challenging for GEM at this point, and we are still very much in the middle of our Doom phase. So while the CBRT has done a great job at containing financial stability risks, there is going to be more work to do. In any case, I definitely feel much better about the TRY, at least on a tactical basis. Hence we just entered a long TRY/ZAR targeting a tactical move to 5.10. The TRY crisis is over.
So... a 3% drop in the S&P from all time highs, a $10 billion taper, and the world was on the verge of an EM "domino crisis" - is this your centrally-planned stability? Of course, tomorrow the Fed will taper another $10 billion: do we repeat the entire exercise from square one then?
As for the "TRY crisis being over" let's wait to see what the "popular" response is to this epic rate hike first thing tomorrow when Turkey awakes, shall we, and let's revisit the TRY crisis in 2-3 weeks when the country's housing market crumbles, when the economy grinds to a halt and the political crisis goes from worse to worse-est.
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...sorry but haven't they created a Domino effect, surely every other EM will have to follow suit , if not their currency will be next to be Bernankeed???
SocGen, how French of you to pick sides after the battle.
Re: The TRY crisis is over.
This is fucking hilarious. The crisis is over. Really? Uber high interest rates are fantastic for the economy. Really?
Get the fuck out of here!
So, raising rates is the answer!
Wonder how that'll play in DC.
seems like just a few months ago, Turkey was gripped by riots triggered by nothing noteable, other than long term pent up anger at the government. certainly this move couldn't provoke a similar or worse reaction...
Apparently this type of action makes everyone want to sell their gold.
This isn't a rate hike.
This is crucifixion.
4.5% to 10% ?? What does that do to a variable mortgage? Triple it?
How many retail outlets can survive that kind of violent repricng?
what socgen means is "fuck yeah borrow yen long Turkish bonds; fuck the japs and fuck these turkeys too"
This guy is sick, gold at the commercial banks, Halkbank movin Au weight cross borders, no visa, 2 feed Iranian housewives (as they could store wealth outside or fiatski rial), erdem basci, you can have it in 2015 too:::::
Central Bank Governor of the Year 2013 The Banker Editors | 02/01/2013 9:33 amThe Banker's Central Bank Governor of the Year awards celebrates the officials that successfully steered their countries through the economic turbulence of 2012.
this is a " OH YOU WANT A RATE HIKE< OKAY THEN " HERE
as his hand was forced anyways, might as well go big, with a nice cover (good for sentiment)
seems like Turkey is playin both sides (just as their geographical location may coincidentally? indicate)
Yeah, that's why they announced it at midnight LOL
Generally speakin they are, if you have money. If not, kiss your ass is grass, and i'm a lawnmower.
"Uber high interest rates are fantastic for the economy. Really?"
Yes.
The US economy would collapse just by hiking the overnight rate by 1% ... can you imagine double digits?
My imagination exceeds you; the US economy would not. Please quintuple US interest rates now (or, at least release them and let them go)! Then, you will understand what the US economy is.
Laissez-nous Faire.
Idiots.
Wait until they see the spike in defaults this will inevitably bring.
And of course, money won't flow to the highest bidder, as in out of the EU's overleveraged, about to be bailed in hedge funds, er, cough, cough, banks. Whatever the hell a bank is these days.
How does this compare to Volcker, and what were the results of his rate hike(s)?
Opinions will differ, but that was mainly to kill off inflationary hangover going back as far as Vietnam.
Worked surprisingly well given the scale, but real estate was a mess. Valuations were good, even cheap, but to get a deal done you had to do seconds, thirds, wraps, warps;). I had a good friend who was the creative financing guy at a large S & L. Lost all his hair and started selling insurance instead.
Asking for straightforward facts, while using the internet.
Really?
So Turkey goes the way of Greece. How historically fitting!
pledged countries gold to get more euro loans rolled for eurobankers?
The CBRT did not disappoint tonight. The CBRT just announced a massive 425bp rate hike. Governor Basci, you have avoided a domino crisis in EM.
You gatta be shiting me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bullish!
"If you'd like a 425bp rate hike you can't have a 425bp rate hike!"
I say there is an excuse for 'taper delay' or the tapered taper...
Carefully remove the tip of the Taper, wipe it off, put it in Jannet's back pocket for safe keeping.
Turkey is really a black swan fixing to land.
Or a moose, looking for a windshield.
Black Turkey on final to two niner advise no landing gear down.
Is that better or worse, than no nose gear down?
Hard to know, isn't it?
ffffttt. Black Turkey you are clear to crash; please navigate to the most heavily populated area...over
Bullish for TRY, well... yes... But what about turkish growth? (and EM/world growth in general if more countries take similar measures?)
This could surprise. Strong currency position - implies real savings and investment to real productive areas of the economy. Input prices will be cheaper providing more flexibility on top line pricing. I mean isn't that what we preach here at ZH all the time? Strong currency implies real interest rates >0....much greater. Intertemporal choice finally has a an interest rate vehicle that actually allows this to work!. Now there is an incentive to save and steward wealth rather than borrow and piss it all away. So rapid price inflation and total capital dislocation, v. "suck it up butter cup" price deflation and now, adding color, a new incentive to save, providing capital to and for entrepreneurial pursuits.
I'm simplifyinh, but, whats not to like?
And in the meantime.............anybody want to buy a house?....a car?.......anybody?
Well, prices fall. rapidly. isn't that what we want? In the absence of a Volker move (which is what this is), what was Turkey's solution? I agree its tought times for a bit, but isn't this where the least productive assets exchange hands to the more productive? When you protect your currency, its an asset reset, not a currency reset. Isn't this what we want? As ZH'ers isn't this what we believe?
I mean, if I am wrong, then what the hell are we doing here? Either one is in favor of strong currency policy, or, you are a Keynesian. So, which is it? What do we want? In some sense, the answers I've read so far are discouraging - that this was the wrong move. I can't help but think it was their ONLY move.
Somebody tell me I'm wrong.
Being in favor of having a "currency policy" is rather Keynesian, wouldn't you say? Strong and weak currency approaches beget each other, because at the end of the day they are dictated by a small number of people with inevitably incomplete knowledge of the system.
No policy, now that's the ticket!
I think letting the market price interest rates, housing, and everything else is what most honest people want.
Now finding a politician, central banker, or economist who agrees with that may be difficult.
I understand your point, but I think we are now in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type of situation. Like I said in a post somewhere else some time ago: "this isn't the eighties or Paul Volcker anymore".
I don't have to explain to this crowd what will happen if the Fed continues its policy of near zero intrest rates, because we're all waiting for the hangover when that party comes to an end. But I suppose we all know equally well what will happen if the Fed would "do a Volcker" at this point and substantially hike up the rate --> that would be a death sentence for US sovereign expenditure - the national debt would become impossible to service in no time. So to make a long story short:
I think we're stuck, period.
The price of Iranian oil on the black market priced in lira.
What's not to like, you fucking moron? Regular people and businesses paying 4.25% more than they did the day before.
Basci......Go fuck yourself.... you MORON
As if nothing bad happens when you raise interest rates 4.25% overnight.
Look at the bright side, at least Erdogan is turning into a truther:
"Mr Erdogan had sounded a defiant note earlier on Tuesday, vowing that the economy would continue to grow despite attempts at “sabotage” and that the beneficiary would be the population as a whole, not the elites.
Speaking ahead of the extraordinary meeting of the central bank’s Monetary Policy Committee, Mr Erdogan said the economy’s recent troubles were the result of a conspiracy.
“I want those who can’t stand our success inside the country and abroad to know that over the last 11 years the economy as been based on solid ground,” he said, accusing unnamed foes of seeking to damage his government by weakening the economy, partly by using the international media. “The Turkish economy will not be driven down by sabotage...”
On a serious note, someone is getting really desperate to light the fuse in the ME.
I assume this is the same Benoit Anne that was screaming "SELL EVERYTHING IN EM" yesterday?
George Soros just turned his Bloomberg on.
This aint gunna end well. :(
There is no interest rate in Baghdad.
INTEREST RATE APARTHIED!!! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!
FOR ALL THOSE CROOKS CLOSEST TO THE USD PRINTING - IT IS FREE MONEY. FOR EVERYONE ELSE IT IS 500% PAYDAY LOANS, AND FOR EM COUNTRIES IT IS 12% INTEREST.
HELLO WORLD - WAKE THE F*CK UP!
IT IS TIME TO END THE USD RESERVE CURRENCY!
INSANE Domino Tricks! (Hevesh5 & MillionenDollarBoy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARM42-eorzE (3:53)
275,000 Dominoes - Enjoy Your Life (Guinness World Record - Most dominoes toppled in a spiral)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QtdPfz_faM (10:01)
Guinness World Record - Longest / Biggest Domino Line Ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDy2xWpZWVc (3:49)
haha..now I get it !
Move along, nothing to see here. Move along now...
As in "CHILL THE FUCK OUT OR WE ALL GO TITS UP!!!!!"
I just had the worst dream...
Or
Can you Top This in the realm of the "Nightmare Gallery"!
What? The Cry Crisis is over?
Jerks.
On EM;
The slump has been “fun to watch,” Thomas Stolper, the chief currency strategist in London at Goldman Sachs Group Inc., said by phone Jan. 24. “
Fun to watch the poor getting poorer, eh, Thomas.
Only in a centrally planned world can US Durables collapse, but a after close rate rise in fucking TURKEY rallies the snp over 25pts from the lows.
Well done you worthless cocksuckers.
I don't think the machines have been programmed to do that yet
A quick solved crisis..... The world economy is defenitely a House of Cards
Another WTF bullshit propaganda brainwash that all -is roses- so- i- can- silently-and legally- extort- all your money comment from another evil bought, corrupt bankster
sycophantic, emotional bank analyst... what do you expect. "Phew, job saved for another week"
... and look at gold go!..... down.... down .... down.... Huge rising wedge in gold with a sub $1000 target.
Sell Mortimer, SEEEEEEELLLLLLLL!!!!
First triple digits, then double.
What a strange sensation it must be, to wake up with your balls in a garlic press.
Do margin calls come in on telephones?
And does the NSA listen?
All I'm sure of is that Jamie and The Lloyd get a cut of everything.
Kind of Indonesian, isn't it?
If the FED issued a 425bp hike, the DOW would drop to 10,000.
Nah, dow would drop BY 10000 !!
There wouldnt be a DOW. Just an OW
"...we are still very much in the middle of our Doom phase..."
this may be just the beginning
SocGen: I heart rate hikers
I wonder if JOYFUL is still living there.
It would be good to get his view of how the common folk over there will react to this.
It is amazing how this move is being heralded. It is not as if Turkey announced the creation of a few million new good-paying jobs that will stoke consumer activity and boost GDP. This move involved bureaucrats adjusting interest rates on fiat currency.
FUBAR.
Brilliant.
bwaaa haa haa haa!! Turkey sacrificed a battalion to give the impression it still stands a chance in the war.
I think perhaps that this dilweed Basci forgot one little variable in his equation. The Turks. You know... those people over there who don't have a reputation of suffering this sort of shit gladly.
They'll go full Muslim on him.
*duplicate*
They are just responding to the problem of capital fleeing from the country. Where will the money flow to ? Back into the UST, I suppose. The problem lies in cheap money coming out from US, UK and Japan ( China ? )
What is a bank these days? A whore house, a casino, a money launderer, a manipulator of all things incl politicians, regulators, auditors, precious metal markets, interest rate markets, forex markets, energy markets, commodity markets, property markets, stock markets, bond markets….in fact just about anything that can be manipulated will be manipulated. Okay, the real economy doesn’t jump when we say jump, but we are working on it and should have it fixed real soon. S&P at 1800 doesn’t lie.
Currently 4.30am in Turkey. A few hours from now, things will get interesting.
there....fixed it
I thought the flight of capital from Turkey was due to the President canceling the ant-corruption drive
(22 Jan 2014 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-22/how-turkey-put-prompt-end-its-dramatic-corruption-investigation).
So how come it's now all about the Fed's Taper?
....only to open an internal crisis from spiking rates, good luck.