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JPMorgan Warns "Avoiding China Defaults Now Will Amplify The Future Problem"

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Investors in China have been running scared of a default on a high risk trust product; but, as Bloomberg's Tom Orlik notes, they should embrace it. The implicit guarantee that no investments will go sour is one of the key problems with China’s financial system as Orlik adds it encourages reckless lending often to borrowers whose only merit lies in backing from a deep-pocketed government. Crucially, as JPMorgan warns in a recent note, "avoiding defaults is not the right answer, as it will only delay or even amplify the problem in the future."

A default that encourages lenders to price in risk would be a positive development and the CEG#1 was an ideal product to 'fail' with its 11% yield and clear idiosyncratic company problems. However, regulators won't have to wait long for a second chance as JPM warns "There will be a default in China’s shadow banking industry this year as economic growth momentum slows."

 

Via Bloomberg's Tom Orlik,

Investors Should Embrace Defaults in China’s Fragile Financial System

 

...

 

In the years before the 2008 financial crisis, nominal growth outstripped the lending rate. Outstanding credit relative to GDP was low, keeping a lid on the burden of repayment. Against that backdrop, most borrowers were able to cover their costs and the chances of a default were low.

 

 

The situation today is different. Nominal growth has more than halved to 9 percent in 2013 from close to 23 percent in 2007.

 

Borrowers from trusts and other parts of the shadow financial system face interest rates in excess of 20 percent. An explosion in lending has increased the burden of repayment to more than 30 percent at the end of 2013 from about 19 percent of GDP at the end of 2008.

 

Lower growth, higher borrowing costs and mounting repayment costs mean defaults by borrowers and even bankruptcy at some small lenders are likely. After initial turmoil, that could actually be beneficial.

 

...

And JPMorgan adds:

  • China may narrowly escaped the first default in its shadow banking industry
  • Absence of default has become a major market distortion
  • The challenge is to contain the contagion risk if a default happens

 

...local media reported that the China Credit Trust has reached a last-minute agreement with investors, with all principal and most accrued interest to be repaid. That means China will again narrowly escaped the first default in its shadow banking. However, the worries remain.

 

The absence of default has become a major distortion in China’s shadow banking, and we believe that default will happen in 2014 amid economic slowing. The concern is that, if a default occurs, whether investors will walk away and put the whole shadow banking market into a liquidity-driven credit crisis.

But contagion is possible...

The concern about the contagion risk is not groundless. In the past several years, non-bank financing (or the so-called shadow banking) has grown rapidly.

 

We estimate that the gross amount (i.e. with possible overlapping among sub-components) of non-bank financing in China reached RMB 36 trillion by the end of 2012 (or nearly 70% of GDP), compared to RMB 18.3 trillion in 2010 (or 46% of GDP).

 

Non-bank financing continued to grow fast in 2013. An update of our estimate suggests that nonbank financing has further increased to RMB 46.7 trillion by September 2013 (or 84% of GDP). The increase was most dramatic for trust assets (an increase of RMB 2.66 trillion in the first nine months of 2013), wealth management products (an increase of RMB 2.82 trillion), entrust loans (an increase of RMB 1.8 trillion) and bank-security channel business (i.e. banks use security firms as a channel to extend loans, which more than doubled in the first three quarters in 2013 and reached RMB 2.79 trillion).

 

 

The rapid growth in non-bank financing activities, especially for trust loans, WMPs and banksecurity channel business, has been driven by the perception of implicit guarantee from product issuers and distributors. The absence of default confirmed such perception.

 

...

 

In addition, there is substantial overlap between interbank assets and other components, for instance WMPs investing on interbank assets or claims on trust assets being traded in interbank markets. Nonetheless, banks are closely connected to shadow banking activities, hence possible turbulence in shadow banking will also affect the banking system.

We believe that default will happen in 2014 as the growth momentum slows down, and it will help restore market discipline and mitigate the moral hazard problem in the long run. However, the challenge is how to contain the near-term negative impact, as there could be three possible outcomes (in the order of increasing severity) if a default occurs.

The first possibility is that it is perceived as an idiosyncratic event, i.e. no spillover at all. This is the least likely outcome.

 

The second possibility is that the contagion risk is contained within a manageable level, i.e. only to similar products or sectors. For instance, if "Credit equals Gold No 1" defaults, investors will move away from collectively trust products that are only sold to wealthy individuals (but not affecting WMPs that are sold to retails investors); investors will worry about the credit quality of similar loans (non-SOE borrowers in mining industry), but not spillover to other products (e.g. local government debt, real estate companies and SOEs); investors question about the safety of trust companies but not banks. We can call it "limited spillover".

 

The third possibility is a “systemic spillover”. In a mild scenario, it will affect the vulnerable components such as trust loans (48% of trust AUM), WMP investment on non-standard credit products (estimated to be 35-50% of total WMPs) and bank-security channel business. In a worse scenario, it will affect the whole trust industry, WMPs and channel business (with a total gross size of RMB 23 trillion). Rollover of trust products (we estimate 30-35% trust products will mature in 2014) and WMP (64% WMPs has maturity less than 3 months) becomes extremely difficult. The liquidity stress could evolve into a full-blown credit crisis.

What can the government do? In our view, avoiding defaults is not the right answer, as it will only delay or even amplify the problem in the future. Meantime, there are measures the government can take to contain the contagion risk.

First, let defaults happen but establish a transparent legal process (rather than under-table arrangements) to resolve the dispute between different parties.

 

Second, regulators should tighten supervisory and regulatory framework to contain regulatory arbitrage activities, and clarify the responsibilities in various shadow banking products. The uncertainty in regulatory and legal responsibility behind each product is an important caveat in the market, and could amplify the contagion risk.

 

Third, impose hard budget constraints on local governments and SOEs, so as to avoid crowding out of credit to other business borrowers and establish risk-based pricing practices.

 

Finally, avoid defaults that could be easily linked to systemic concerns, such as the default of banks (rather than non-bank financial institutions as the perception of government protection on banks is stronger) or local government financial vehicles or SOEs. Similarly, the default of a WMP could have a bigger impact than a trust product, as the latter does not have maturity mismatch problem and are sold to wealthy individuals rather than retail investors. In that sense, China may miss an "ideal” first default if “Credit Equals Gold No 1” gets bailed out.

Investors in China have been running scared of a default on a high risk trust product; but, as Bloomberg's Tom Orlik notes, they should embrace it.

And they are going to get a chance again soon as there are considerably more of these maturing in the next quarter...

 

Perhaps that is why 3mo SHIBOR has been rising 9 days in a row...

 


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Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:08 | Link to Comment ForWhomTheTollBuilds
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"Avoiding China Defaults Now Will Amplify The Future Problem"

 

Funny how we can see it in everyone but ourselves.   Now, those Japanese and their zombie banks and their ZIRP what are they thinking?   Am I right people?

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:13 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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This is a rich piece of work.  A 100% wholly insolvent bank commenting on the debt problem of a country.  lol.

 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:16 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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"That's why I'm richer than you."  -cufflinks

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment THX 1178
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JPM is starting to sound a lot like Peter Schiff. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or the scariest thing imagineable.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:29 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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A bit of both, but mostly the latter.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:36 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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"JPMorgan Warns "Avoiding China Defaults Now Will Amplify The Future Problem""

I will be using this as an example of "ironic" for the Common Core exam next month that will determine my future

hugs,
Alanis Morissette

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 04:09 | Link to Comment Tall Tom
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Jaime Dimon and the rest of you fuckers at JP Morgan...

 

TAKE A GOOD LOOK IN THE MIRROR. And bring your Barf Buckets as you will soil the carpets of your new Chinese Owners.

 

That statement by JP Morgue has got to be the epitome of Hypocrisy.

 

It is American Financial Institutions that are TBTF. God forbid that the Chinese have that option available.

 

They are some really blind jerks.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:34 | Link to Comment new game
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fucking illusion theater...

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:38 | Link to Comment negative rates
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When it's over in a heart beat, no one cares about the future problem, cause it never arrives until it's too late. And for them it aint never too late, of course until it is too late.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:35 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I do not know the motives of either, but I would lean more towards taking Schiff's advice.  Buy gold, before JPM takes it all and sends it to China...

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:20 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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that's too much gold. not that it's better than zero but "China" is very quickly becoming the largest economy in the world...with "teething pain."

Sustaining a "skyscraper complex" is not easy. New York City defaulted many times prior to WWII.

It's now building out the largest Underground Railroad movement and terminal system in the world.
This will/does connect the subway systems of Boston and Washington DC.

I can't say I agree with any of it but the project has been underway now for over a decade. And it is MASSIVE.

What China...and East Asia in general...is doing strikes me as far more complex: building an entire civilization "in the sky."

As Detroit and Chicago (et al?) have shown...this is not necessarily a "slam dunk." Los Angeles is interesting because they only built a downtown recently. very interesting the battle between the pedestrians and the cars ou there..."the cars were there first"'problem.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:00 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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Plausible deniability

 

JPM is starting to sound a lot like Peter Schiff.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:00 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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"That's why I'm richer than you." -cufflinks

I'm trying to remember.  Did he twirl his Presidential cufflinks when he testified before Congress?

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:15 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Read down the thread.  As of this writing, have you ever seen such unanimity of opinion?  A CHINA problem??  Just CHINA??  You gotta be kidding me.  It's far from just China.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:34 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, almost every country I follow is having big bad problems.  And in the USA, just as an earlier thread mentioned, all you have to do is go to second tier cities to see the rot here.

Prepare, hard landing ahead.  I cannot say when...

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:18 | Link to Comment yogibear
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It should be an export on being a insolvent bank.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:22 | Link to Comment KickIce
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Is there such a thing as a pot-kettle-black moment?

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:48 | Link to Comment FreeMktFisherMN
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just what I was thinking. JPM BOA GS etc should all have gone bankrupt.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:44 | Link to Comment Confused
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Of course this is all just super ironice, but the really amusing part is this:

 

Investors in China have been running scared of a default on a high risk trust product

 

So by nature they knew what they were getting into. Fuck them.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Antifaschistische
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"A default that encourages lenders to price in risk would be a positive development"

 

LOL...maybe we should try that in the US!!! 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:47 | Link to Comment satoshi911
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Subsitute "Goldman Sachs" for "JPM", and then this story makes some sense.

*

Goldman wants to do a 'bear stearns' on JPM, by making this look like JPM problem, rather than GS problem.

Who owns ABC-MEDIA? Goldman Sachs or JPM?

Who was the original "TYLER" a GS or JPM employee?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:23 | Link to Comment thestarl
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Yeah the irony of it.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 07:03 | Link to Comment Vice
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HO LEE FUK

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Pickleton
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I heard he was a crew member aboard an Asiana flight that crashed, along with his buddy Sum Ting Wong.

I didn't know he survived.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 13:31 | Link to Comment Pickleton
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I heard he was a crew member aboard an Asiana flight that crashed, along with his buddy Sum Ting Wong.

I didn't know he survived.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:40 | Link to Comment The Vineyard
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Much ado about nothing.  The Chinese government will just print more paper like everyone else.  Bastards.  But it should be good for gold.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:02 | Link to Comment taketheredpill
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Japan didn't do it.

 

The US didn't / couldn't do it.

 

Maybe the Chinese will do it...

 

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 13:26 | Link to Comment Loucleve
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Yes, OBVIOUSLY this applies to everyone in the world EXCEPT us.

And these morons can actually say this with a straight face.  Laughable.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:09 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Wow. Sanctimonious polished turds.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:21 | Link to Comment KickIce
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And no matter how expensive the suit they still can't mask the stench.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:09 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Shut up, you!

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Shut up and jump.  You fuckers.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:36 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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They are in London.  And it's BANKERS.  Yeah, can you believe it?  That's how you know something wicked this way comes when bankers are leaping to their deaths.  When you're used to winning ALWAYS, failure is NOT an emotion you're equipped to handle.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:37 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Hmm.  I'll try to be watching for "Bankers Falling" signs in our cities.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:18 | Link to Comment LMAOLORI
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"Shut up and jump."

 

LOL I posted that video on another article today - though I just think it's funny I really would prefer the corrupt bankers were prosecuted and made to serve lengthy prison sentences and abused by their fellow inmates.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:09 | Link to Comment BoNeSxxx
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POT, MEET KETTLE.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:21 | Link to Comment Death By Cold S...
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I was about to say; this is the definition of the POT calling the Kettle Black! 

 

PS for the Politcial Correct reading this you can see my face  by looking up the Death By Cold Steel Report via YouTube lol...

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:32 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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Thanks buddy. I fell for your PS BS. I won't get that image out of my mind for awhile.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:12 | Link to Comment fijisailor
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China Warns "Avoiding JPMorgan Defaults Now Will Amplify The Future Problem"

There.  Fixed it for ya

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Maxter
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"avoiding defaults is not the right answer, as it will only delay or even amplify the problem in the future."

Same can be said about the united-states

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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JPM of all squids calling for Chinese funds/institutions to fail for the good of the whole. Jaimie that swoosh you hear is the blade.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:12 | Link to Comment esum
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sidestepping the issue in the ussa at taxpayer expense = OK

sidestepping the issue in china = NOT OK

 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment Eyedroppedthewater
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ForWhom you hit the nail on the head!

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:17 | Link to Comment fijisailor
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China is buying the gold.  JPMorgan is losing the gold.  The Chinese will sacrifice the paper tiger at the altar of Keynes and then rule the world with gold.  They have many years of experience with paper money.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:20 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Translation -- JPM offloaded their China default derivatives to the Fed (meaning we taxpayers get the bill) and now JPM is on the short side of the China credit trade, so let it burn.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:21 | Link to Comment stant
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i should have bought the co that makes the nets for foxcon . and then cut cost on materials

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:12 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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"Mommy, where does pink slime come from?"

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:28 | Link to Comment The_Ungrateful_Yid
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Sharpen the fucking guillotines already

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:33 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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Somebody had to say it.  Might as well be you.

For future reference, the proper format to post that thought is as follows (according to the ZH code of conduct):

"Roll the fucking guillotines, already.  Until then, nothing changes."

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:58 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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Nope, keep them dull.  I want to watch them have trouble cutting the scum's heads off

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 07:02 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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Trade the guillotines for machetes. Bring the banksters eye to eye with the Rage.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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   J.P.Morgue is so full of shit! They should clean their own outhouse before they start flinging crap to pump their book. I'm no China fan but at 7-7.5% growth J.P Morgue doesn't have any room to talk when the U.S. struggles for a measley 2-3% in comparison. They're just a bunch of asswipes talking their short Asia book, and nothing more.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:32 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Sadly, the asswipes are We the People.  The ass is JPM, and it's got a dirty bottom.   JPM screams, and we all run in and change it and give it a new toy.  It's the eTrade baby and we feed it.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:28 | Link to Comment HulkHogan
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Completely OT, but since the NSA is cataloging every post on ZH to be used in the future trials of its members, I know this post will be saved for eternity. I lost a dear friend today who, sadly, died way too young. God willing, in my remaining years I hope I can be at least half as nice of a person as you were. I love and miss you deeply.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:33 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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sorry to hear HH......     :(

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Sinnedi
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Sorry hh

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:10 | Link to Comment Sinnedi
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Sorry hh

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:15 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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Trial? You have any idea what overhead that is?Google-trial will do a metadata comment/voice search and a totally fair automated program will text you your guilty verdict and camp reporting date.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:29 | Link to Comment suteibu
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We are living in "Bizarro World."  There is simply no other explanation for it. 

Watch out for evil Superman.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:33 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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This is the example to use when explaining the "pot and kettle" idiom to a Chinese student learning English.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:41 | Link to Comment Dr. Venkman
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Exactly. And in 20 years a Chinese professor will read this to his class to uproarious laughter like in that spooky commercial the Red team was running a few years back.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:36 | Link to Comment Its Only Rock N Roll
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PBOC warns "JPM should mark-to-market not mark-to-fantasy their holdings so they do not amplify future problems"

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:59 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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The bastardization of the Accounting profession should not be forgotten

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:37 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Bullish for US jobs, until you realize that instead of using cheap Chinese labor in China, companies will import that cheap labor.

More H1B1 visas! /sarc

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:52 | Link to Comment gwar5
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JPM said that?? Look who's fucking talking! 

 

We should have let the criminal predator banker class in the USA and EU collapse, put jamie Dimon and the cabal in jail, and sold the banks off in pieces over time.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:17 | Link to Comment Al Huxley
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It's very important that trust products and banks be allow to fail, to preserve the integrity of the system and proper pricing of risk - says the fucking Too Big To Fail bank.  The fucking hypocrisy is mind-blowing, how do these guys sleep at night?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:20 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Wow the hubris these fuckers have is amazing. What's you're position on the trust you Tarp taking bankrupt bastards?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:24 | Link to Comment Music101
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To me, this is still a WORLD OF DEBT!! Must See Video Below "WORLD OF DEBT" -- Funny Too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99xsqxzJnXs

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:36 | Link to Comment abgary1
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It's too bad the developed nations didn't take that advice in '08/09.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:48 | Link to Comment RaceToTheBottom
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I cannot trust anything that JP Morgan says.  All WS firms are not to be trusted.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:32 | Link to Comment satoshi911
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Trust Goldman Sachs,

They used to own ICBC, and goldman-sacks sold the worthless shit to the chinese, ... and the USA aka FED will bail the Goldman-Sacks shit out.

Last May 2013 Goldman-Sacks sold their interest in ICBC, but the Chinese don't forget.

The FED bailed out EUROPE, and now they're bailing out the CHINESE.

JPM is just jealous they don't rule the world, I mean the FED.

*

 

Most-Profitable ICBC Led Goldman Sachs Under his 13-year leadership, ICBC was transformed from a  Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in May ended a seven-year investment in 2013, ... when Goldman Sachs decided to 'cut & run' from CHINA.
*
Yes, if  the FED doesn't bail out ICBC investors in CHINA, then GOLDMAN-SACHS is finished in CHINA, and JPM win's,... its that battle of the Titans, but either way the USA and its citizens only exist as cannon-fodder and FED fiat creation. * Can you imagine the Goldman-Sacks to CHINA "Never mind we fucked you, its all good FED will cover, and if you don't like the outcome, will engineer a war and turn the clock back 100 years for CHINA?
Guess what OUTCOME China will choose? Take the FED money and SHUT-UP.


Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:50 | Link to Comment negative rates
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You must have set that bit coin bag down in a puddle of water and lost some of your coins on the way home.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:11 | Link to Comment TheCosmicTaco
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Transparency??? In CHINA???????

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Local government officials and politicians in Asia don't become multimillionaires by being transparent, friend. You be smoking some strong shit if you believe those Chinese lies... quit bogarting and pass that joint over here, I need to get funny...

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 04:40 | Link to Comment CHX
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Summary: "When we (the western/US banks) got bailed out from bankrupcy that was a good thing, but China banks now should be allowed to fail"

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 04:59 | Link to Comment Rodders75
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Wilbur Ross says it's time to buy China. And he's no dummy. He got Ireland and shipping exactly right. 

 

China banking worries 'way overblown': Wilbur Ross http://www.cnbc.com/id/101366393


Tom Demark says buy oppty is appearing.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-23/demark-sees-shanghai-index-bott...

There is a lot of fear around.

You ZH guys are always so f---ing negative.


Thu, 01/30/2014 - 07:31 | Link to Comment 1stepcloser
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Yeah Let me know when the Ghost Cities near capacity, then maybe.  Round Eye not as stupid as he rooks

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:37 | Link to Comment GoldIsMoney
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Oouch, a default in China should be embraced, and a default in the USA? Well don't let me start thinking.....

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:54 | Link to Comment Tic tock
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This China-thing couldn't have come at a better time, China to publicly announce some sort of State-protection for Bad-debt...really.

Every time these dominoes fall, Capitalists codge some half-assed excuse-for-a-plan, a card here or there...to preserve the Global Financial System. ...and then what, without sufficient employment, with over-production, without yield, with $100 Oil, - anyone can see where the problems are, except elected politicians. How the fuck do they make people so Stupid? Does the term 'Structural Reform' ring a bell? ...Fuck me, let's call the system 'Capitalism', it's broken...that means that one could introduce a total Nationalization of the Banking and Finance Sector (which is effectively what a Fed.Reserve system is) and implement nationwide Price controls...and that would be 'Structural Reform. It would be half-arsed and then some, but that's the scale we're talking of; there are two parts to it, Macro and Micro in one big, single policy. 

The next step will be to ring-fence London and New-York and manage Sovereign Financing without them, or Europe, not because we can, but because any people don't believe in their 'quality-of-life'.   

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:43 | Link to Comment Rising Sun
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China no default.

 

You pay now.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:01 | Link to Comment SystemOfaDrown
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LOL JPM! Yup, "The pot calling the kettle black."

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:09 | Link to Comment slackrabbit
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So what JPM are really saying:

"China please let your banks fail so we can take over. The last thing we need is a another year trying to hold our own shit togehter."

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:21 | Link to Comment MFLTucson
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And everyone knows that Jamie Dimon and company can be believed.  There such an honest group!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:47 | Link to Comment esum
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The implicit guarantee that no investments will go sour is one of the key problems with China’s financial system..... whereas in the ussa we let the capitalist system function.... just ask chrysler bondholders, the TARP recipients AIG etc... 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 09:27 | Link to Comment bugs_
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but china has so much gold.....

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 09:28 | Link to Comment unplugged
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I call bullshit - there will be no default - not allowed.   Ain't.   Gonna.   Happen.   Period.

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