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Is The US-China Rivalry More Dangerous Than The Cold War?

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Submitted by Zachary Zeck via The Diplomat,

The prominent realist international relations scholar John Mearsheimer says there is a greater possibility of the U.S. and China going to war in the future than there was of a Soviet-NATO general war during the Cold War.

Mearsheimer made the comments at a lunch hosted by the Center for the National Interest in Washington, DC on Monday. The lunch was held to discuss Mearsheimer’s recent article in The National Interest on U.S. foreign policy towards the Middle East. However, much of the conversation during the Q&A session focused on U.S. policy towards Asia amid China’s rise, a topic that Mearsheimer addresses in greater length in the updated edition of his classic treatise, The Tragedy of Great Power Politics, which is due out this April.

In contrast to the Middle East, which he characterizes as posing little threat to the United States, Mearsheimer said that the U.S. will face a tremendous challenge in Asia should China continue to rise economically. The University of Chicago professor said that in such a scenario it is inevitable that the U.S. and China will engage in an intense strategic competition, much like the Soviet-American rivalry during the Cold War.

While stressing that he didn’t believe a shooting war between the U.S. and China is inevitable, Mearsheimer said that he believes a U.S.-China Cold War will be much less stable than the previous American-Soviet one. His reasoning was based on geography and its interaction with nuclear weapons.

Specifically, the center of gravity of the U.S.-Soviet competition was the central European landmass. This created a rather stable situation as, according to Mearsheimer, anyone that war gamed a NATO-Warsaw conflict over Central Europe understood that it would quickly turn nuclear. This gave both sides a powerful incentive to avoid a general conflict in Central Europe as a nuclear war would make it very likely that both the U.S. and Soviet Union would be “vaporized.”

The U.S.-China strategic rivalry lacks this singular center of gravity. Instead, Mearsheimer identified four potential hotspots over which he believes the U.S. and China might find themselves at war: the Korean Peninsula, the Taiwan Strait and the South and East China Seas. Besides featuring more hotspots than the U.S.-Soviet conflict, Mearsheimer implied that he felt that decision-makers in Beijing and Washington might be more confident that they could engage in a shooting war over one of these areas without it escalating to the nuclear threshold.

For instance, he singled out the Sino-Japanese dispute over the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands, of which he said there was a very real possibility that Japan and China could find themselves in a shooting war sometime in the next five years. Should a shooting war break out between China and Japan in the East China Sea, Mearsheimer said he believes the U.S. will have two options: first, to act  as an umpire in trying to separate the two sides and return to the status quo ante; second, to enter the conflict on the side of Japan.

Mearsheimer said that he thinks it’s more likely the U.S. would opt for the second option because a failure to do so would weaken U.S. credibility in the eyes of its Asian allies. In particular, he believes that America trying to act as a mediator would badly undermine Japanese and South Korean policymakers’ faith in America’s extended deterrence. Since the U.S. does not want Japan or South Korea to build their own nuclear weapons, Washington would be hesitant to not come out decisively on the side of the Japanese in any war between Tokyo and Beijing.

Mearsheimer did add that the U.S. is in the early stages of dealing with a rising China, and the full threat would not materialize for at least another ten years. He also stressed that his arguments assumed that China will be able to maintain rapid economic growth. Were China’s growth rates to streamline or even turn negative, then the U.S. would remain the preponderant power in the world and actually see its relative power grow through 2050.

In characteristically blunt fashion, Mearsheimer said that he hopes that China’s economy falters or collapses, as this would eliminate a potentially immense security threat for the United States and its allies. Indeed, Mearsheimer said he was flabbergasted by Americans and people in allied states who profess wanting to see China continue to grow economically. He reminded the audience that at the peak of its power the Soviet Union possessed a much smaller GDP than the United States. Given that China has a population size over four times larger than America’s, should it reach a GDP per capita that is comparable to Taiwan or Hong Kong today, it will be a greater potential threat to the United States than anything America has previously dealt with.

 

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Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:34 | 4383014 LetThemEatRand
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Fucking Neo-Con propaganda bullshit if I ever saw it.  

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:37 | 4383022 nope-1004
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When's the war going to start you say?  How about this perspective:  Tell me when it ends!!

Just because we're not firing missles from drones at their mobile scuds doesn't mean a major dispute isn't happening in real time.  Look at the gold movement and that's all you need to know about China's intentions going forward.

 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:41 | 4383036 LetThemEatRand
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And CFR member Mearsheimer is peddling the threat of hot war to solve the problem.   That's what they do.  "Hey guys, country X is threatening our privately owned banking cartel strangehold on the world.  Let's bomb them or at least convince the public they are ready to bomb us."

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:43 | 4383044 IridiumRebel
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Hey, whatever gets the MIC their trillion pounds of flesh.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:46 | 4383048 LetThemEatRand
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Exactly, and of course the Fed and its owners profit from the MIC.   The war rhetoric is ratcheting up because China is hoarding gold.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:46 | 4383051 suteibu
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It's all the same people. 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:50 | 4383069 Ignatius
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The 'Cold War' never ended.

The battle for resources and markets never ends.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:05 | 4383114 Raymond K Hessel
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If we do go to war, it will be over Africa, not Taiwan.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:08 | 4383121 suteibu
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I agree.  Not Taiwan.  Not Korea.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:12 | 4383130 kliguy38
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You're starting to miss the point again.......its NOT US going to war.....its THEM sending us to a conflict to generate massive debt and they control that AND the profit from the MIC........THEY OWN the MIC........THEY OWN THE BANKS.......and they OWN YOU...Africa is only another EXCUSE for conflict. We don't give a chit about Africa......THEY do....if it means war

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:34 | 4383159 TruthInSunshine
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John Mearsheimer is a righteous dude, brilliant scholar and is spot on his analysis.

He was chased out of The University of Chicago, as was Stephen Walt from Harvard, by AIPAC, Alan Dershowitz, the ADL & Abe Foxmann, and a bunch of other batshit crazy ultra-Zionist Jews, for the crime of publishing an essay (with Walt) that DARED TO QUESTION WHETHER THE RIGHT WING JEWISH LOBBY IN THE U.S. HAS UNDUE AND DISPROPORTIONATE INFLUENCE OVER AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY, TO THE DETRIMENT OF AMERICANS.

How dare he!

/sarc

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U-S-Foreign-Policy/dp/0374531501

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:34 | 4383166 LetThemEatRand
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Seems like this piece is an effort to get back into the fold.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:38 | 4383176 Handful of Dust
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The China-USA "heat" is nothing more then rhetoric. After all, most of those top politicans there plan to retire to Kalifornia McMansions. No need to rock the boat too hard...just enough to give appearances to the masses.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:03 | 4383228 Savyindallas
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agreed  -I can't believe all the negative comments about Mearsheimer. He andd Stephen Walt are brave patriots who courageously took on the Israeli Lobby. Mearsheimer is simply talking US National interest   -meaning the U.S. -Americans   -not the neocons and Zionists whose allegiance lies with their tribesmen (and not America and Americans) and who are running this country into the ground. 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:18 | 4383243 LetThemEatRand
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Explain to me how pushing the idea of impending military conflict with China is Pro-U.S. citizen.  Bear in mind that some of us don't think the Zionest Jews control the world, and that it has more to do with long-standing generations-old Western royalty and oil-rich Arabs (also useful idiots to the old Western money) that use zionists as a front to achieve their broader objectives.   And feel free to comment on why the King of Saudi Arabia wanted the United States to invade Syria and almost succeeded.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:20 | 4383257 TruthInSunshine
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In case you didn't notice - and it's clear that you didn't - he's in no way "pushing the idea of impending military conflict with China."

He's warning that the statistical odds of an actual hot war with China are now greater than they ever were with the Soviet Union, and that the odds of such a hot war with China increase proportionally with Chinese economic growth (for the specific reasons he cites in easy to read and understand format).

Finally, he's sensibly opining that it would be very prudent, given this dynamic, for the U.S. to focus like a laser beam on maintaining absolute military superiority relative to China, not for offensive purposes, but in order to ensure it is always able to effectively defend its citizens, allies and global economic and military interests.

What, exactly, don't you understand and/or agree with regarding this?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:28 | 4383261 LetThemEatRand
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What, exactly, I don't understand and/or agree with regarding this is the idea that China could threaten the United States and its thousands of ICBMs.  It's a ridiculous proposition that China poses any military threat whatsoever to a country that could lay waste to the world with its nuclear arsenal.  This whole idea of nuclear armed nations fighting each other with conventional arms is disproven by history, or perhaps you can give me an example since 1945.  China will not engage in a direct military conflict with the United States and vice-versa.  To suggest otherwise is to push an agenda.   This guy is smarter than that, therefore he's a fucking liar with an agenda.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:41 | 4383274 TruthInSunshine
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Why do you assume a potential military conflict or war would necessarily be of a type where ICBMs would be deployed or even of any deterrent effect?

Full-fledged nuclear war with ICBMs is probably the least likely type of modern war to be fought given advances in technology and want we've co e to learn about game theory.

China is NOT an irrational nation-state that would be inclined to engage in some sort of mutually assured destruction.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:48 | 4383277 LetThemEatRand
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So you agree that this whole concept of war between US and China is bullshit?  If not, what laser beam of conventional warfare do we need to focus on in order to prevent the non-existent threat of war?  And why are you defending this guy who plainly says otherwise?  Which U.S. state do you think they could invade before nukes came into play?   This is Neo-Con bullshit you're reading.  There is as much chance of China or any country invading and/or declaring war on the U.S. as Yellen tellin' us why the Fed does what it does.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:12 | 4383295 TruthInSunshine
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No. The possibility of military conflict between the U.S. & China is very real, especially given China's very strained relations with Japan & Taiwan over territorial and other claims, in light of our treaties with those two nations obligating us to defend them.

And I think you completely miss the mark on Mearsheimer; he's anything but a neocon or hawk. He's actively railed against U.S. Military campaigns in Vietnam and the Middle East.

That he states what he does about the U.S. relationship with China in the military capability context is born out of a desire to stave off a future conflict, not to position for inducing one.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:40 | 4383319 KickIce
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A couple of things which I think pertain to almost every country at this point.   (1) As economies deteriorate they might not want war but they do NEED war.  Besides, what better way to solve the high youth unemployment then to send them to the front lines against one another.  (2) I think you’re overestimating the sociopath’s ability to remain reasonable during the upcoming shit storm.  We’re obviously dealing with huge egos, huge amounts of money printed and limited resourses.

Re the cold war you can probably argue that the same unsustainable debt that brought the Russians down is now happening to the US.  The shoe is now on the other foot.

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:48 | 4383283 0b1knob
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The Chinese leadership has always feared the chaos of war.   More importanrly they fear that war might lead to them being displaced.   

Why should they go to war with Japan now?   All they have to do is wait.   The demographic collapse of Japan will only accelerate.   Japan get weaker and China gets stronger with each passing year.  Eventually the conquest of Japan will just be a small scale operation involving a "humanitarian" occcupation (for the natives own good of course) to do a little nation building of a depopulated radioactive third world country called Japan which used to be important for some reason no one but historians will remember.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:59 | 4383287 LetThemEatRand
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Fucking China bots are out now.   Fuck all of you.   The United States was once the island of Freedom and opportunity in a world of despots.  Hopefully we will be again.   And hopefully the rest of the world will join us and stop sucking the ball sacks of the oligarchs.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:23 | 4383393 new game
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and i add;its the econ/money stupid. he clearly states that we are empowering the enemy with the transfer of intellectual property and manufacturing. our fascist leaders have sold out to short term greed. pegging the yuan is the key and nafta.  sold out. corp tax law could have prevented this transfer to the lower wage populations(add vietnam, cambodia to the list). congress uses tax manipulation as a basis for manipulation>basically an ongoing transfer from majority to top 10 percent.

these fucks can live anywhere and will vanish if conflict breaks out. They have already won. 

see, it is about a .001 percent contolling the fiat/lifeblood of econ backed by force.  why would they fuck with that? of course it can spin to war. but really are they(bankers and ceos-including billionaires from china) that stupid? maybe.

the club has mutual interests. isn't china buying merica for cheap, manipulated currency they have gamed from us by our consumer driven econ with debt that they suported by purchase. we handed them the keys to control(treasuries), our achilles heal. so whos interest do these fucks have?

i would suggest, any conflict is these .001 ers against the rest. all else is an illusion of control...

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 11:46 | 4384163 applelover
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Your point is hard for him to understand cause there isn't enoug hatred in it for him.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 14:40 | 4384669 TBT or not TBT
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Nukes on both sides mean no direct war. Proxy wars, yes, direct wars no. Just like the NATO vs USSR "cold" war rivalry. I put scare quotes there because lots of third world folks can tell you it was warmer than reported.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:43 | 4383188 suteibu
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They already have massive debt.

The point is, there is no use getting worked up over places like Taiwan or Korea (when talking about conflict between the US and China).

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:41 | 4383408 Sudden Debt
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China shouldn't be seen as the enemy.

They've got bigger problems domesticly.

Millions of expats and immigrants, a massive muslim problem and unemployment. And than there's the pollution problem.

I'm thinking more of a implosion and a breakup of China like Russia at the end of the cold war when they where broke.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 14:47 | 4384713 TBT or not TBT
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Yes, and don't forget the hangover from their forty year war on fertility: a demographic implosion composed of rapid aging and too many men per woman*.

*they "abort" girls disproportionnaly in China, scare quotes because without a sonogram, we are talking about very very late term, or what in the west we would label "murder" or "criminal neglect with intent to kill").

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:09 | 4383125 Skateboarder
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It's the scramble for Africa part deux. More fighting, more guns, now with drones! Join us next week on EARTH!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5kW74Er_4o

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:23 | 4383239 Anusocracy
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Timely quote from an appropriate time:

"Whether the mask is labelled Fascism, Democracy, or Dictatorship of the Proletariat, our great adversary remains the Apparatus—the bureaucracy, the police, the military. Not the one facing us across the frontier or the battlelines, which is not so much our enemy as our brother's enemy, but the one that calls itself our protector and makes us its slaves. No matter what the circumstances, the worst betrayal will always be to subordinate ourselves to this Apparatus, and to trample underfoot, in its service, all human values in ourselves and in others."
— Simone Weil, Politics, Spring 1945

"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience. Our problem is that numbers of people all over the world have obeyed the dictates of the leaders of their government and have gone to war, and millions have been killed because of this obedience. . . Our problem is that people are obedient all over the world in the face of poverty and starvation and stupidity, and war, and cruelty. Our problem is that people are obedient while the jails are full of petty thieves, and all the while the grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem."
—Howard Zinn

http://www.seesharppress.com/warquotes.html

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:30 | 4383401 new game
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just say fuck you-go fight the war you started-oh, and i got a yellow ribbon on my cock-gently untie it and suck away!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 14:50 | 4384739 TBT or not TBT
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Howard Zinn might say a dozen truths and make an impassioned conclusion out of it once and a while, but his overall intent is EVIL. Fuck Howard Zinn and his fellow travelers.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:48 | 4383055 IridiumRebel
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This fucker on a MSM story today was trying to say that America has been suckered into playing world police. Lightning shot outta my fingers as I typed my response. Yeah. We bomb for the children.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:51 | 4383073 Ignatius
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Now stand and salute the flag.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:55 | 4383087 Xibalba
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...or else

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 14:55 | 4384773 TBT or not TBT
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Show me where Obama or the Dems have exhorted anyone to salute the flag in the last few decades. What's that? Oh it's crickets. In fact it's a hard thing for him to stick a flag on his lapel or salute his marines well or any such thing. And yet he nevertheless is a pretty nasty warmonger. Just not a patriotic one. Like a very troubling proportion of the modern Dem party, and a lesser but still fucking high proportion of the R's. Take Paul Ryan, please.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:52 | 4383080 LetThemEatRand
Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:06 | 4383088 IridiumRebel
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Thx LTER
"One might counter that they still cannot attack across the Atlantic or Pacific Oceans and reach the shores of the United States. True, but if a distant great power were to dominate Asia or Europe the way America dominates the Western Hemisphere, it would then be free to roam around the globe and form alliances with countries in the Western Hemisphere that have an adversarial relationship with the United States." (Mearsheimer, 6)

John J. Mearsheimer, “America Unhinged,” The National Interest, No. 129 (January/February 2014), pp. 9-30.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:10 | 4383124 LetThemEatRand
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It reminds me of the Mob discussing a rival gang.  Oh right.  Because that's exactly what it is.   And We the People are paying protection money to our local Mob.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 12:33 | 4384301 Fedaykinx
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you're right, that's exactly what it is.  now extend the analogy a bit further and explain to me why you don't understand TIS's point about maintaining conventional superiority over the chinese mob as a legit priority.  not really trying to be a smartass either.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:14 | 4383248 Anusocracy
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Exactly the type of person that is an enemy to civilization.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:49 | 4383285 401K of Dooom
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He's a graduate of the long, grey line and never saw combat in Vietname?  The Phrigging Pussy!  He's on my black list now!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:38 | 4383526 The Chief
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Its likely that Boeing, Lockheed and Pratt have given last years' secrets to China to keep us in a race. We are living in a nightmare. Somebody wake me up when we've been taken down to parade rest competely. We need to start over. A reset as a nation.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:52 | 4383445 Urban Redneck
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Mearsheimer is some "scholar" and yet he can't understand why the Reich Sklaven would not be opposed to some country increasing in stature to combat German hegemony.

So did the cracker really find his PhD in a Crackerjack box, or is this one his "Strategic" lies?

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:51 | 4383066 Overfed
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The Chinese don't want a shooting war with the US under any circumstance. We're their biggest export market by a huge margin, and a land invasion of the US is completely fuckin' impossible. The only way we (royal we) go to war with China is if we (royal we) provoke it. The new owners can post all the warmongering shit they like, but you can count on the commenters here to keep 'em honest.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:55 | 4383086 IridiumRebel
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I read the financial articles. These shits I go straight to comments.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:04 | 4383236 satoshi911
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The Chinese are entreprenures they have work to do, money to make.

They don't need to steal, they already bought Africa and South America, and soon the Chinese will buy the USA.

Long ago MAO said the "THE USA WILL PAY FOR THE ROPE THAT THEY HANG THEMSELVES WITH"

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 07:14 | 4383460 strangewalk
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I can't believe you're quoting that discredited a**hole Mao...he was 200% wrong about everything and -200% right

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:49 | 4383411 The.Harmless.Who
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The gold movement isn't China's war against America. 

 

It is the US Govt and their Zionist Fed's war against the American people. 

 

 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:44 | 4383046 suteibu
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I'm not sure why ZH is putting up so much from the Diplomat lately. 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:48 | 4383057 LetThemEatRand
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Because

His name was Tyler Durden.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:25 | 4383307 satoshi911
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Because he used to work at Goldman Sachs.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:59 | 4383097 Jack Burton
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You beat me to it Rand! You might remember I posted on the subject of the American elite's need for a big enemy to justify military spending, the spy complex and the subjugation of America's freedom. These Neo-Con war mongers are now coming out of the wood work to spew their pro war line, get all the red necks  worked up about the Chinaman. It gets votes and money for the military. All sorts of so called conservatives eat the war mongering stuff up. It is a lie. American corporations have made enormous profit from Chinese cheap labor, now they seek enormous profits from arming for war on China. America plan wars on. Syria, Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, half of Africa and maybe the peguins in the Antarctic for all I know. The need for corporate profits is leading to doom for millions of the worlds peoples. The US is now officially out of control, war crazed leaders and military men who think every enemy will be another Iraqi Army.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:03 | 4383110 LetThemEatRand
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You are the one who beat me to it.  I've learned much from your posts.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:32 | 4383267 Anusocracy
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Just doing their duty.

Manipulating the moral senses of the masses to get them to accept an outcome they don't want or need.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:08 | 4383241 kliguy38
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Que the head injured and amputee vet........stir the nationalism with a false flag and ouila........the sheep will run to their slaughter.......we're done far unless they stumble and they aint gonna stumble

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:12 | 4383129 The Vineyard
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Trust me.  The relationship between China and America will end up killing us all.  The solution?  Run to the hills.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:14 | 4383296 Koffieshop
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No. Nobody is starting a nuclear war any time soon.
The prime reason for this is that the elite have a lot to lose and only a bit to win. Creating a completely unpredictable situation by letting the ICBM's fly is not a good move when you are running the world as it is NOW.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 04:02 | 4383361 Andre
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You are making an assumption of competence in foreign policy on the part of Obama/Kerry and the other children running this.

Don't be too sure things will work out as planned...

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:38 | 4383433 Koffieshop
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Sure there are loads of incompetent people and they often manage to make a decent living regardless.
However those who can mask a hidden agenda with incompetence, those are the people who go places.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:47 | 4383548 rbg81
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History will look back and view our transfer of wealth and industrial/technological capability to China as a blatent, inexplicable act of national suicide.  No real good can come from it either domestically or internationally.  

Unfortunately, our "Leaders" think its more important that Americans have access to cheap Chinese crap to keep them pacified.  Not to mention getting their palms greased for letting it happen.  The consequences be damned--they figure someone else will worry about that.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 13:03 | 4384385 robertsgt40
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Eat Rand--Yep  What Mearsheimer fails to note is all wars are economic.  The buildup starts as a trade war, then escelates to a currency war, then goes hot(WWI, WWII).  As all parties involved are in deep sht economically/politically, war serves as a great diversion(blame outside influence) to "unite" the people against a common "foe".  It's worked well...up until now.  

Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:15 | 4388152 M.B. Drapier
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Mearsheimer is a "realist": more or less the opposite of a neocon.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:35 | 4383021 Debtonation
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Market sell all Treasuries.  War over.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:48 | 4383054 NoDebt
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I keep thinking "what a great excuse for the US to invalidate a couple trillion worth of Treasury debt."  They know exactly which Treasuries China holds.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:40 | 4383034 dexter_morgan
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elect more peace loving, drone hating, privacy loving, wall street hatin blue teamers. problem solved.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:45 | 4383049 booboo
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Stopped reading your post at "elect"

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:51 | 4383039 IridiumRebel
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Yeah cuz in this version, we are the Soviet Union circa 1991. Person the other day put up a link that spoke of the dollar having an international and domestic repricing. I can see a nice 40% deval coming. I'll just place my money into King Putz' MyRa(ped asshole).

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:02 | 4383229 satoshi911
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Read the book "Charlie Wilsons War", its required reading by USA state department. The book explains exactly why RUSSIA imploded.

The USA doesn't have this problem,

#1 reason Russia imploded was that Russians were sick of the AFGHAN war, it was worse for them than VIETNAM.

The USD will go  away, but only when RUSSIA/CHINA/JAPAN give the IMF the green light, its coming, but now they will wait until HILLARY-2016.

Selling the new currency to the US public is the biggest problem, RUSSIA/CHINA/JAPAN will be happy to see the USA lose its ability to print unlimited FIAT, under the new system the gang-of-8, will all have semi-infinite drawing rights.

Probably biggest opponent of IMF-SDR will be ISRAEL, who now with the FED can created infinite money.

ZH will of course help SELL the new IMF-SDR transistion, under the guise "FED IS DEAD".

 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:43 | 4383043 atomicwasted
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What a pile of bullshit.  This site is looking like Free Republic more and more every day.  

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:58 | 4383215 satoshi911
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Take Rush Limbaugh listeners.

Add PT Barnum marketing

John Birch society 'sky is falling'

HILTER propaganda

Goldman Sacks money

SHAKE, but not stir

You get what we have.

*

For what? mostly just to create morons quicker that goldman sacks can rob them, ...

Why? Goldman Sacks needs an opposition, but its need a dumb opposition, feed them shit keep them in the dark, yet keep a flashlight on them so everyone can see that dissing the squid is for losers.

Brilliant? Chomsky calls it 'manufacturing consent'.

 

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:45 | 4383045 HulkHogan
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No thinking person wants to live in a Chinese-style world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkGH0_DRBRE&list=PLzH8YP82VTjQXbho3oO-oO...

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:47 | 4383058 knukles
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True dat.
Way too much MSG

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:53 | 4383211 Frozen IcQb
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@ HulkHogan

IMHO, The chinese style world will change dramatically in the years to come as it moves out of isolation and into globalization.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:26 | 4383398 ebear
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I don't care where I live just so long as I never hear that gawd awful guitar music ever again.   Jeezus, what were they thinking?  The guy might actually have something to say.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:48 | 4383061 Charles Nelson ...
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They gonna roll out Whitney Houston's corpse to sing the National Anthem at the Super Bowl on Sunday? That way the sheeple can become even more patriotic!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:00 | 4383068 Kirk2NCC1701
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What a crock... Peddling a Red Herring.

China just needs to adhere to Ancient Chinese Wisdoms and play from a centered position of strength. For starters, keep building up PM and Energy assets, while rapidly building & mobilizing a global coalition of the willing, to dethrone the USD from its GRC status.

Without it, it's game over for the MIC, and we can all get back to nation-building here at home. All Freeloaders (foreign and domestic) want the status quo, of course, and will do everything in their power to keep it so.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:52 | 4383071 maskone909
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India/pakistan
North k/ south k

Any enighboring country with nukes is bad

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:55 | 4383077 Dr. Engali
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It appears the pentagon has the same concern:

http://freebeacon.com/pentagon-concerned-by-chinas-new-high-speed-missile/

I wonder if they will make war bonds available in the MyRas. It appears the MIC is on the march. Will we see Colin Powell at the U. N scaring us with pictures of old beat up trucks?

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:55 | 4383084 maskone909
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Fuckin babies and incubators and shit

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:01 | 4383102 booboo
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or Richard Armitage will drop a name of a alCIAda operative by the name of Valarie Mcstink Crotch to a reporter which will then ask Scooter Libby if he knows where the yellow cake unobtainium is which will get him arrested for devulging the name of the assets husband who is a drunk and a child porno king and we will attack...........Syria.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:03 | 4383113 suteibu
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According to the Center for American Progress, maybe not.

"Navy Admiral Samuel J. Locklear III (At the time the US Pacific Commander), in an interview at a Cambridge hotel Friday after he met with scholars at Harvard and Tufts universities, said significant upheaval related to the warming planet “is probably the most likely thing that is going to happen . . . that will cripple the security environment, probably more likely than the other scenarios we all often talk about.’’

This was from last March.  Then, China wasn't a threat.  It was global warming.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:21 | 4383142 Jack Burton
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The Military is in panic mode over the nearly instant opening of the Arctic seas in summer. The Navy and other services are fast putting together command structure and forces to train and deploy in the open areas of the fast melting arctic seas. Now I know how much many ZH posters hate global warming, so if they feel the need, they can call be a fucking idiot or things along that line. Here are some stories from the last few days. "Wild Fires, the biggest since World War two have broken out in Northern Norway, 216 building were lost yesterday in the biggest of the fires." "Alaska is having and has had record heat for months, many temperatures hover around 40 degrees above normal." "Warm tropical air has rushed into the high arctic setting heat records causing rain storms and shoving the cold arctic vortex south in two pieces, one over Siberia one over the central USA".  "A blocking pattern locked in place for ten months has caused drought in California and record warm days, wild fires have arrived in January, months before fire season, the earliest outbreak in recorded history, the pattern seems to be set to continue." "The jet stream is unlocked by arctic heatwaves to create a wave pattern driving dozens of large Atlantic storms into Great Britain, record rainfall events occur nearly weekly, including tornadoes in January in England." No need to go on, these are stories from the last two days. The Norway wildfires caught my attention, I spend much time in Scandinavia and wild fires are not what happens in January above the arctic circle in Norway, Sweden and Finland!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:40 | 4383177 suteibu
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Not seeing the open Arctic Sea (August data) according to this site.  http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2013/08/

As for Norway's fires (or any other recent incident), I would be more interested in a comparison over the past 20 or 30 centuries rather than merely back to 1981 (the most common date used for such comparisons) or World War II.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:39 | 4383436 dognamedabu
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Exactly. It is a big planet and has many places to create '1 in 100' year events. To point out odd weather as proof we need to shut down our society's mode of energy is foolhearted and reckless. Should we stop burning fossil fuels eventually? Yes due to the pollution is does cause without co2 even being the issue. But what about all the forests being hacked away? What about the oceans being fished to death and used as a dump? Nuclear waste is mixing into all of us but somehow they got many thinking its the co2 that will get them. Scientist when asked placed GW around 29th place on the list of threats to our lives and planet. Stopping me from affording food or shelter or medical equipment is high on my list of threats. There is a need to progress but it is very important it happens without much distress on most of the planet that depends on affordable energy. Want a once in a eon event? Triple

energy costs and this world will explode into chaos. 

 

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 23:37 | 4386623 Jack Burton
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You are looking for an ice free arctic sea in January? That is odd. But.

Sat, 02/01/2014 - 01:22 | 4390674 suteibu
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August is not January except in bizarro world.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:03 | 4383204 LetThemEatRand
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Jack, haven't you looked outside your U.S. window if you happen to live where the jet stream dipped own?  It's cold.  Middle U.S. = globe.  Ergo, no global warming*.   Duh.  

*and the fact that the grant loving science whores predicted local extreme cold from jet stream changes as part of a long process of global warming of fractional degrees increase over many decades is irrelevant.  As is the fact (and it's a fact) that world powers are trying to figure out how to claim new shipping channels in the Artic.  It's not hot outside my window now and that's proof.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:54 | 4383209 therevolutionwas
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It's the Sun!  Not global warming.  Check out Electric Universe or Suspicious Observers.  The sun is being stubborn and not keeping to its cycles, or something. 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:19 | 4383252 RaceToTheBottom
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JUst tell the morons that Polar Bears farted more.  They will buy it.....

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:59 | 4383562 The Chief
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Reading about monsters like this makes me ashamed of my past service in the US Navy. I truly hope that another senior/flag officer has a bead on this fucker. When the fascade starts to break up, this idiot needs to be removed most ricki tik. In the meantime, pray. It's scary to think that the nation has provided a pipeline for creatures like this to move into position.

I am truly afraid that he is beholden to forces that do not have the US people in their best interest.

Wed, 01/29/2014 - 23:59 | 4383092 Reaper
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What exactly will Mearsheimer's snake oil cure?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:01 | 4383103 LetThemEatRand
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He's got a fever.  And the only prescription is less China gold.  Or more FedBell.   

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:03 | 4383108 booboo
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the war on banker poverty?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:00 | 4383096 kevinduhand
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Nevermind China, their military still needs 40 years to catch up to modern standard and all the Chinese elites loves USA and will do anything to avoid a war.

 

On the other hand, Japan might be a bigger problem

http://japandailypress.com/u-s-pressures-japan-to-return-300-kg-of-pluto...

and their military technology is probably on the same level as U.S...

now imagine they change their constitution and can start a war and have nukes, don't forget they are still being "OCCUPIED" by U.S.

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:07 | 4383117 Jack Burton
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Many US military sources over the years have said that Japan has nuclear weapons already, all the parts have been manufactured and the nuclear weapons grade material is in weapons form. But, they will not bring these together to produce the real bomb unless some major crisis hits them. But from what I have read, a few days would allow Japan to have several dozen warheads fit for existing delivery vehicle. Japan has not been sitting by during the cold war with the USSR, they built systems and modernized them. Japan is, to all intents and purposes a nuclear power.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 03:52 | 4383355 stock trout
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Japan had a nuclear bomb just before the end of WWII but no means to deliver it. Eyewitnesses testify to a successful test off the coast of North Korea. It made the US newspapers just after the war ended. Source:: Military History Channel. 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:16 | 4383137 suteibu
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The US gave Japan its fast breeder program along with the plutoium.  Who in the US government sincerely believed they would not prepare to go nuclear at a moment's notice?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:21 | 4383146 Jack Burton
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Who gave Israel their nuclear material. I heard France was behind it.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:48 | 4383195 suteibu
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Perhaps.  France seems to be TPTB's historic connection to the ME (until recent US wars).

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:48 | 4383196 therevolutionwas
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They stole nuke triggers from us for one thing.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:53 | 4383446 Bearwagon
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Yes, the french - and all other usual supects ...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/israel/nuke.htm

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:33 | 4383162 Yenbot
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On the other hand, Japan might be a bigger problem

What an ignorant load of crap. But, you knew that when you posted it.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:46 | 4383192 therevolutionwas
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Well, come on, so why is it a load of crap?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 08:39 | 4383440 kevinduhand
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Because bad must be bad, good must be good, just like those Arabs, all of them are terrorist remember? just let the government take care of the complicated matters, that's all you need to know, now go back and watch FOX/NBC depending on your political leanings

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:00 | 4383100 Bull Bear Nice Pair
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So the instability stems  from the U.S.-China nuclear disparity. That is a relatively easy problem. China  will produce more nukes and ICBM, QED. BTW, anyone who claims China will fight anywhere else except Taiwan does not know what he is talking about. Taiwan was, is, and will be the absolute number one strategic priority of China. Fighting anywhere else is just not worth it for them.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:07 | 4383120 yepyep
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John J. Mearsheimer: Member, Council on Foreign Relations

another hawkish establishment degenerate.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:14 | 4383134 dexter_morgan
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http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/roster.html?letter=C

Yep,, just like Bill and Chelsea Clinton and George Clooney and Katie Couric......yeah them there hawkish establishment degenrates

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:37 | 4383169 therevolutionwas
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Okay, just idiots then.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:37 | 4383175 dexter_morgan
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I'll buy that, and clearly from both 'teams', i.e there ain't 2 teams any more, if there ever was.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:44 | 4383187 therevolutionwas
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Amen.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:41 | 4383180 yepyep
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yeah considering chelsea's parents track record on the matter i am really not sure if you are agreeing with me here or not.

cause the list of cfr member's who should be brought up on war crime charges is a very long one dude.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:56 | 4383213 Savyindallas
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Mearsheimer (and Stephen Walt) are great patriots. Have your read their book on the Israeli Lobby? Took a lot of courage . 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:23 | 4383148 tony wilson
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the problem is folks depleted uranium takes years to kill.

the cancer has to mutate nice and slow.

 

big nuke bomba much faster rothschild he likey prince phillip say it cool.

bono say rock un roll goy you must fry. so we can create order out of kaos.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:28 | 4383154 Jack Burton
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Hillary Clinton, if elected, will take America to war. She will attack Syria and Iran. This will likely cause casualties among Russian weapons operators, as Russia sends technicians along with their missile systems. Thus war with Russia is possible on a sort of tit for tat basis. I tell you now, and I really believe this, the Clinton Bitch is a crazed war monger, and she is an Israeli agent. By that I mean she acts with Israels interests in mind first and only later considers the interests of the American people. I see her as the single greatest threat to world peace. That old bitch is a serious danger. Read her record, all she talks about is dangers to Israel and the US obligations to fight for Israel at every turn. This Bitch is going to be a candidate for the US presidents job of the democrat ticket. The Republicans will run a crazed neo-con war monger against her. They will only debate how many new wars to start, 1-2-3-4-5??? Who can start the most.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:41 | 4383179 therevolutionwas
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Roger Stone, a republican insider turned libertarian, said Hillary won't run in 2016 (for health and other reasons).  He thinks Michelle will run.  Food for thought.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:49 | 4383198 malek
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And if that stops dead in its tracks, they can still let Obama's dog run.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:50 | 4383200 satoshi911
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HILLARY will be the next president.

Chelsea will run the IMF

*

Hillary played her part, and conceded to Obama, now its her turn. The DEM Party is obligated to her. Done deal.

A Republican, saying HILLARY-2016 is out, what a joke.

*

Chelsea will be in charge of the IMF-SDR.

The USA walked away from Africa, and South America a long time ago. The USA only cares about "OIL", because he who controls the OIL/COAL controls the world for the next 300 years.

*

Michlelle Obama is hated by the left, and the Democrat Party. Obama is a lame-duck and hated by all.

Hillary can sell anything, Israel or SPYING, its all good.

Hillary can sell drones, ... killing women and children is best when ordered by a woman.

*

Long ago the USA decided that its not in their interest to rule the world, ruling the "OIL WORLD" is enough, it gives you the power to rule the world, but minimizes expense. Ruling Africa & South America is just a headache with no ROI.

What use are the Ameircan people? Just a mercenary army.

*

Who OWNS "HILLARY? Rockefeller, FORD, BUSH, ... same-same CLINTON-BILL, sure there are ZIONIST legacy attachments but that goes back to zionist right wing nuts that support HILTER pre&post nazi germany.

ISRAEL is a proxy for OIL in the middle east, always has been always will until oil is kaput, and then ISRAEL will be tossed away.

*

ZH is a right wing site, own by ABC MEDIA aka Gold man SACKS.

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:42 | 4383409 ebear
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"HILLARY will be the next president."

awww man, I was hoping a woman would run this time!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:36 | 4383172 kchrisc
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China will win any possible war with the US, as when they dump all their treasuries, the US criminals will be forced to use the US military at home.

 

"Game Over Man, GAME OVER!"

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:42 | 4383184 deerhunter
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I saw 5 robins groveling around some open creek water here in NW Chicago suburb yesterday.  January and robins in the north.  I sware last Sunday in the woods the last day of archery deer season I heard a robin sing.  Harbingers of spring and usually here 2nd week of March or maybe a bit earlier.  The earth is groaning and it is not good.  In my 58 years I have never seen robins here or in Michigan growing up before March.  Go figure.  Maybe the robins bought into the Al Gore global warming meme but it is hell looking for earthworms through 18 inches of snow and ice.  Crazy,  just plain crazy.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 06:09 | 4383424 dognamedabu
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They using foodstamps of course. 

But seriously, One in a hundred year flood or drought or a flock of birds with bad timing is what is going on mostly. No doubt the planet is being harmed but I cannot imagine a more useless way to approach it than Al Gore et al has. Renewable energy, why not it is a good thing. Yet to subcribe to radical shifts some propose will leave nations much poorer which leads to more pollution and disharmony since people become focused more on base needs. The hundreds of billions pumped into GW have done little to solve anything except make a few well placed indiviuals a lot of green. 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 10:00 | 4383770 Baldrick
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I have lived in Michigan most of my life and when we have mild winters the robins, swans, and ducks don't leave. Yes the robins and ducks have already returned. Looks like an early spring.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:44 | 4383190 nomorebuyins
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Our peasant assemblers in China want to revolt? It's ok we can build iphones here for 50x the cost. 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:08 | 4383292 I Write Code
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Well yeah, but I suspect this is a modern day myth.  A lot of manual processes are used in China because labor is so cheap.  If iPhones were produced here we'd automate much more of it, who knows, might cost 3x or 5x or so but not 50x.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:46 | 4383193 malek
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What a complete bullshit post.

I especially point to the unspoken truths under the veil of half-truths, such as the fact that if there ever is a shooting war between US and China, the US will most likely have pushed to start it (indirectly through their "partners" of course.)
And along these lines if Japan and China start fighting, the US would have given Japan the green light on that long ago. Would be ironic if Japan would fall again for being scapegoated to get the US out of a depression. (Note to Krugman: the broken window fallacy can sometimes work - but only if you get the population to accept hardship [more work and less consumption] for some years, a point Paul K. "surprisingly" never makes...)

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:50 | 4383202 yepyep
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considering they couldnt convince the sheep it was in their best interests to bomb syria this time around it will be particularly difficult to convince them they need to war with the people who are currently supplying them with all their consumer goods.

but the propaganda is getting more refined so who knows.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:50 | 4383203 Radical Marijuana
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This Zachary Zeck character has such old-fashioned views of "diplomacy" based upon taking for granted national powers and interests, while ignoring the international banksters, that the resulting articles are laughable. The last couple of articles by Zachary Zeck have seemed to me to be some of the stupidest and most superficial articles that I have read on Zero Hedge.

I agree that "there is a greater possibility of the U.S. and China going to war in the future than there was of a Soviet-NATO general war during the Cold War." However, one should have enough insight to comprehend how global affairs are being manipulated behind the scenes by the international banksters. The banksters were able to recapture control over the American government in 1913, and have been consolidating their control ever since. The REAL world system was able to get away with assassinating American Presidents, and members of other branches of the American government, that got in the way of the global agenda, which symbolically culminated in the ability to get away with staging the events on 9/11/2001 as a successful inside job, false flag attack.

Anyone who writes about China vs. USA relations, who does not acknowledge and understand that the international banksters have been controlling the political puppets that run the government of the USA, are out to lunch regarding what they write. Nothing such analysts have to say has any merit whatsoever, since they (probably deliberately) miss the most important points, (or even worse, are so out of it that they are completely clueless about what is really going on).

America might go to war with China due to the way that the people that control the people that control the government of the USA have been deliberately destroying the American democratic republic, which includes destroying the American economy, and driving the USA to self-destruct, and thereby lose its status as the global reserve currency. That status provides enormous benefits for most Americans, and so, losing that status would have catastrophic consequences to most Americans. Clearly, China is playing a large role in that possible transformation. However, it is NOT China which is directing the USA to become madly self-destruction. Rather the international banksters, or more generally the globalized ruling classes, who are the pyramidion people at the top of the globalizing social pyramid systems, have already gained control over the USA, and are using that control to cause the USA to become madly self-destructive.

Clearly, that is an extremely dangerous game, which might go seriously out of control, (although the banksters and their ilk are who they are because they have been selected by history to become triumphantly the most criminally insane people on the planet, who will take those kinds of risks.) If there is a war between the USA and China, it will again be another war orchestrated by the international banksters, to advance their overall agenda. However, like I said, it is impossible to rationally estimate how criminally insane the global ruling classes have become. Therefore, just like World War III between the USSR and the USA almost started a few dozen times by accident, with twice it coming down to the decision of one Russian officer that stopped that from happening, the starting of a war between China and the USA is being deliberately pushed towards plausibility by the banksters' global agenda playing through, while they are criminally insane enough to be able to discount the real risks of what could happen, if that situation went out of control, and rapidly started to escalate itself.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:39 | 4383272 New World Chaos
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The puppetmasters think they can survive WWIII by hiding out in underground bases.  They think it's a great way to shift the blame for the collapse.  When the surface survivors have forgotten the true history, the puppetmasters hope to crawl out of the depths and rule as pharaohs of a neo-feudal prison planet.  They really are that batshit crazy.  Any synchophants tempted to go underground with them?  Here's a hint:  Look for "Abandon hope, all Ye who enter here" written in Sumerian fine print above the cave entrance.  They need your supposed consent.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 03:23 | 4383345 Radical Marijuana
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I agree with your view, New World Chaos.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 13:54 | 4384516 Chaos_Theory
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5-years ago I would have thought you were demented.

Now I kinda vomit in my mouth as I realize you're right.

Like the name BTW ;)

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:59 | 4383333 Jam
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That was a good post, I agree on your points. These international banksters have something in common with each other, they are mostly Jewish folks and if I hazard a guess they don't give a shit about any working class American Citizen. The run of the mill grunt would have to be nuts to go to war for these assholes.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 03:32 | 4383349 Radical Marijuana
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I agree, Jam, other than that it is very hard to define Jewish, and that not all Jews are banksters, and not all banksters are Jews. But nevertheless, it is clear that the people who are have Chaired the Fed have overwhelmingly been "Jewish," and there are a host of similar social facts, which are the facts. However, my opinion is that being "Jewish" is merely more like a flag of convenience for an organized crime gang, which is more often referred to as Zionist. However, none of those labels are satisfactory, and moreover, they do not lead to any better resolutions to the chronic political problems.

Anyway, unfortunately, it does look like the "run of the mill grunt" HAS been brainwashed to be "nuts!" Just like World War II was sold as being for freedom and democracy, one would expect the average American Zombie Sheeple could be sold some kind of insane bullshit about why there was a war with China, which would actually be directed behind the scenes to end up benefiting the banksters, while the average American would suffer even more. ... assuming that does not go so out of control that global civilization gets destroyed beyond our ability to imagine!

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:53 | 4383212 icanhasbailout
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Left out of the article: A reason to care what China does on their own side of the ocean.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 00:59 | 4383218 22winmag
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Don't be silly, China would be lucky to pick up some table scraps after a U.S.-Russia heavyweight bout... and the Chinese would follow it up by prompty shitting on the side of the road, because they are only going where their feet take them.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:00 | 4383223 prmths2
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"Mearsheimer said that he hopes that China’s economy falters or collapses, as this would eliminate a potentially immense security threat for the United States and its allies." Yes, then we would be guaranteed peace for decades, just like after the collapse of the Weimar Republic.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:11 | 4383240 RaceToTheBottom
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Perfect, the US would side with the country that has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the last 20 YEARS except SAVE ZOMBI BANKS.  That is Japan for any idiots here

 

WS Trained Idiots

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:18 | 4383253 gwar5
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In hot war with China the rest of the world would be llined up against the USA for being such an asshole. 

This paranoid Adminstration and progressives are out of touch with reality. I'm American and I can't support lawless politicians that consider half the citizens enemy #1.

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:19 | 4383254 q99x2
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Where have all the flowers gone. and what the fuck happened to Hillary's global village. Can't we all get along and then he went out and got busted for drunk driving. To what avail are forty freedoms without a blank spot on and the bankster made that a blank spot on our checks and balances disappeared and now we have the DHS and executive orders from on high but not above. I will not go back to a world with borders and to people who believe in nations when Bitcoin is breaking out.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 07:07 | 4383458 negative rates
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We are playing musical hot seat and the crowd is thinning.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:23 | 4383260 GoinFawr
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Judging from the rhetoric re:Chinese competition US pundits are spewing on the Great White North's media, I see the battle lines being drawn a lot closer to home. Specifically right across the US' main cheap and reliable resource source,  Canuckistan.

The witless hoser peon royalists are about to get squeezed mercilessly between Uncle Sam's NAFTA rock and China's FIPA hard place, eh?

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:30 | 4383265 tickhound
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No prob, on a good day our Salvation Army can kick Canada's ass. ;)

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:04 | 4383278 GoinFawr
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Not even, they could do it hungover without a nickel in the drum... but what is this 'our' nonsense? You don't think that just because of its brand the war machine actually answers to you and yours, do you?

Besides, as the article indicates, it's not Canada's itty bitty unionjackass the US has to worry about.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:56 | 4383332 tickhound
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Haha ya whoa, what a slip of the tongue that was, eh? Nationalistic pride on full display. The root of the hatred is deep... Hockey.

But ya see, wars and superbowls, it's just television for 'us.' It's like, pretend. I always root for the good guys against all things evil.

I'm just hoping we can spin this whole thing and make it about the Canucks. Many people seem to think we only defend ourselves against brown people. This could go a long way in changing that message and securing our borders and freedom.

We could occupy Canada and build the Pacific Wall.

They'd eventually realize we're helping them.

So.... See? And you were trying to say 'they' don't love 'us.' How couldn't they? Is war on pay per view yet? It should be.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 01:27 | 4383262 vincent
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China will invade US via BC,  occupy those pansys and fantastic machinery in Silicon Valley, followed by a Blitzkreigesque push to that fancy spy place in Utah where they'll launch 11,000 drones to take out DC and save us all.

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 05:19 | 4383392 dognamedabu
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BC will fight em off with the help of all US Vietnam 'deserters' that live there. 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:13 | 4383298 I Write Code
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Mearsheimer is a prime idiot.  Does more need to be said?  Around here maybe,  But look at this, do you need more proof?  Is nobody here old enough to remember the cold war?  Or too old to remember anything but their teddy bears?  Duck and cover, y'know?  Does anyone think China would have any reason to invite that kind of action?

Especially when Obama will probably sell them three carrier groups just to reduce our debt.

But if we still own our own navy, I suppose there is some small chance of a few shells or missiles being fired at each other if China insists on pressing for those stupid islands.  But it seems super-duper unlikely to be anything serious.

 

Thu, 01/30/2014 - 02:31 | 4383311 sangell
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Reasonable analysis but why would China push the Senkaku button? Be like an expansion team taking on the Super Bowl champions in their first professional game. More likely to push Vietnam off their territorial claims and see how we react. If we do nothing the Philippines knows they are next and the Chinese could make clear allowing the US back in Subic Bay would be a 'hostile act'. Of course the US has cards of its own like applying the same sort of restrictions China puts on others shipping in their waters in waters we claim the same rights too and if you look at the world map that means Chinese shipping can't go where we say they can't. Put 200 mile territorial around every reef, atoll and American dependancy in the Pacific, Caribbean and Atlantic along with those of the UK and France and China is pretty much a coastal maritime nation.

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