Bill Miller Does It Again: JCPenney Drops Over 25% Since "Undervalued" Call (To Fresh 33-Year Low)

Tyler Durden's picture

J.C. Penney has a lot of levers they can pull to get the customers back," Bill Miller gleefully told a Schwab conference in November as he bought JCP bonds. Spreads on those bonds have risen over 200bps since then. However, it was the embattled Legg Mason guru's appearance on CNBC in mid-December that sparked re-exuberance as everyone jumped on his "undervalued" bandwagon and lifted the stock into year-end. Today, back under $6, JCPenney is once again at fresh 33 year lows. Those that followed Miller are down over 25% on their 'investment'.



The famed stock-picker is also looking at J.C. Penney, which he thinks might be undervalued. After all, he said, there's "no reason" the retailer can't get its gross margins back to about 38 percent.

Yeah - that's not working out so great for the value-investor... knife-catcher


and today's tumble back under $6 for the first time in 33 years...


Chart: Bloomberg

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Levadiakos's picture

"Undervalued" is a relative term--Bill Miller

Levadiakos's picture
Einhorn closes J. C. Penny Short-Marketwatch Jul 29, 2013
jcaz's picture

Of course there is "no reason why gross margins can't return to 38%", especially when ALL they were selling during the holidays was their 70%-off shit.....  Wow.

Dude wiins the "Captain Obvious" award this week- thanks for making my $6 puts cheap, babe.....

nope-1004's picture

Did I say undervalued?  Oh, I meant overvalued.  My bad.

- BM


Levadiakos's picture

BREAKING-"Hacksaw" Al Dunlop tapped to replace Legg's Miller

NoDebt's picture

That would be CHAINSAW Al Dunlap, my friend.  Scott Paper's old HQ is about 20 minutes drive from my place.

666's picture

But he's an expert, and experts are never wrong! Experts also predict how the economy will do, and they've been saying how the recovery keeps picking up steam, so that must also be true. They wouldn't lie to us because they're just a bunch of egotistical numbnuts, would they?

SAT 800's picture

I got a lever he can pull; half-wit.

FieldingMellish's picture

Just shoot the poor thing already. Why does it have to suffer like this?

Levadiakos's picture

Because they still haven't finished the program for the credit card theft 

mayhem_korner's picture

Just shoot the poor thing already. Why does it have to suffer like this?


JCP...or Miller?  Either works, IMHO.

Dr. Engali's picture

Idiot..... Most rocks know that JC Penny is going tits up by now.

Rainman's picture

I dunno...if they could figure out how to move prostitute party-packs they might make it.

Yen Cross's picture

   Yea, but Nasdark is up over 2%. /s

Stoploss's picture

JCP's original written business plan was the largest catalog retailer in the country..

They deviated from that written plan.

A long time ago...


When you have a written plan, do not deviate from that plan. NEVER EVER.

Billy A. learned that lesson the hard way..

Now it's Carl's turn...


Who's next??   I'll be here the rest of the week...

Dr. Engali's picture

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

Mike Tyson

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

No battle plan ever survives contact with the enemy. -

Helmuth von Moltke (the Elder)

Levadiakos's picture

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder trumps Iron Mike every time.

Music101's picture

See KARL DENNINGER'S STOCK PICKS BELOW... his take on stocks just like this -- MUST SEE:

youngman's picture

If they have long underwear...they should be doing great...

TheRideNeverEnds's picture

When I bought the Goldman offering a couple cents off the low I told myself I would hold that stock till I retire; in standard form I scalped out of it nearly as soon as I was up money because fuck tying up the margin to hold stock.


In retrospect I am glad I did.  

mayhem_korner's picture



It's now a penney stock.

(it's weak, I know.  Off to get some scotch, I guess...)

Hippocratic Oaf's picture

Almost, Mayhem, and may very well get there.

When the 7.95's of '17 get into the mid 70's again, I may be a buyer. If only for the short maturity and the "belief" that they won't go ( . )( . )'s up

yogibear's picture

Plenty of gorilla suits for those standing on the street corners when it's time for their going out of business sales  

mayhem_korner's picture



JCP going-out-of-business sales would be huge for employment.  Just think of all the Mexifornians that could be put on the rolls to spin those giant neon SALE! signs. 

corporatewhore's picture

jcp was absolutely trashed when the "genius" Ron Johnson was given his $54 million compensation to make over jcp into a mini Nordstrom with strong Apple overlay.  His first genius move was to scream "no coupons" and allow returns with absolutely no proof whatsoever the item was purchased at jcp.  Thieves, hoodlums, drug addicts, hookers and pimps heard his siren call.  He proceeded to gut the employee rolls and make do with less, leaving maybe one employee to maintain the department and make sales.  Cash registers were obsolete so in comes the ipad.  customers thought it was bizarre.  Sales were eliminated and pricing strategies routinely "tweaked".  It was a complete and utter disaster.  Howard Davidowitz called it accurately but Wall Street was enamored of Ron's song and dance.  There was so much incongruity between their traditional customer (grandma, working class stiffs) and what Ron wanted (hip, eurotrash music and clothing).  He didn't beta test anything, just rolled out mistake after mistake.  I could write a book

ghostzapper's picture

Took me all of 15 seconds to look at the weekly chart to see that the signal was given in freakin' MAY OF 2012 to quite simply stay the fuck away from this piece of shit.  Of course this genius tells the idiots on the cheerleading station to pile in based on what he "thinks" and "feels" will happen.  

TheRideNeverEnds's picture

meh, I have done alright buying the dips in there, mostly with short puts around the .30 delta and I think its about that time again; premium is gtting pretty fat in there. 


I am putting out too many fires at the moment to get involved in that debacle right now though.

ghostzapper's picture

Nice work.

My comment was more specific to getting long for beyond a trade.  There have been some pops but man I don't trust turds like this even if you enter at the right time at any point BOOM they announce something that confirms the overall trend down and their status as a piece of shit.  

mayhem_korner's picture



Please tell me that there remains no medical means by which Miller and Dick Bove can spawn offspring.  'Cuz that would redefine "ugly baby."

(back to my scotch...)

oak's picture

target's situation is no better. the stock price had dropped from high approximately 23%.

SAT 800's picture

I remember when my mom gave me my first pair of new J.C.Penney jeans. I was so proud. then my Auntie gave me a Hopalong Cassidy belt with a real metal belt buckle; I was a happy little cowboy. We were a working class family; it didn't take much to make me happy.

kareninca's picture

I remember whem my mom took me to JC Penney in the late 1970s.  We were both grossed out, the place was so dingy and the quality was so bad.  We were an aspirational upper middle class (by education; not by net worth alas) family; it took a lot to make us happy.

At this point my mom is delighted to shop at JCP if she can get a savvy friend to figure out the bestest coupons; I would shop there with coupons if there were one nearby, and if their stuff were available even more cheaply at Goodwill that would be swell too.  Our net worth has improved, for some reason, but we're not so aspirational.

Dre4dwolf's picture

I might buy at like, 2.98$ 1.98$ I would probably be buying, at .98cents, why the fuck not?




Papasmurf's picture

Is it discount to book yet?

MyBrothersKeeper's picture

The truth is one vague positive report and 2 hedge fund mgrs Kyle Bass and Dan Loeb drove the stock from 6 to 10.  Once they got out all that was left were the real numbers....and they haven't improved except what is being gained by closing the most unprofitable locations

mendolover's picture

So now they insult their customer's intelligence?  I think it says alot about who they think their customers are.  How the hell do you go from an $82 stock to a $5 piece of shit?

mkhs's picture

why is it I only see anuses from here?